This is excellent. Thank you, Professor Solberg, for all you do. May the LORD continue to richly bless your ministry. Honestly, I don't know how anyone can refute such clear sound teaching. Keep up the good work 👍
The Very First Thing, Miss representing what We as Wisdow Seekers are Looking for. Then its just babble.on from there.... Define the words f I est to The reborn infants, give them the 🥛! So they can grow and learn to walk, Righteousness is Thy Key, Follow HIM and not the lawless religions.
What is so hard to understand that the sacrifices were a foreshadow before the cross and a memorial afterwards, scripture clearly tells us they will be done in the future 💯❤️📖⚔️
You’re videos are such a blessing brother. Not only do you have extensive, biblical knowledge, but you know how to convey the message in a clear and concise manner. This makes it easy for simpletons like myself to understand. Blessings 🙏🏼
When the Law of God, not the letter of the Law of Moses but the spirit of the Law of God, is written upon our heart it becomes a natural part of our character and we are not able to break it. This is the perfect Law of liberty.
The law of the Spirit of the life in Christ is not contunually minded on the things of the flesh which the law of Moses is called "the law of the fleshy innter-aim" H7.16. It seems all torah keepers can talk about is law this and law that, but our talk should be "the talk of faithing" and "the talk of Christ" R10.8, 17.
@TheRevelationDeception hhmm ? Yes we should get off the Law subject. And Think HIS faith not Our faith. Follow HIM and learn HIS Heart for Torah. "Fathers Instructions: For our fleshy Heart is Most Deceitful....
@TheRevelationDeception btw this spirit you meantion, do know who Gives it, and what is it for. Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God.
@@6969smurfy The Revelation was given after Paul's death. Paul had no knowledge of the Book of the Revelation. Most commentators interpret The Revelation in the light of Paul's writing. But this is a bad hermeneutic. Paul's writing should be interpreted in the light of The Revelation. The Revelation is the ultimate authority in doctrine and eschatology.
Great again Rob. God bless you. In reading some of the comments I'm shaking my head, rolling my eyes and laughing as I wonder what do some of these people who have a lust for the "ministry of death" that is the Law, not get about the words "once for all". And THEN to not see that if their interpretation of what Jesus meant by not one jot or tittle passing from the law until all is accomplished is correct then either Jesus' sacrifice was not entirely sufficient OR something had passed...(which it had since all had been accomplished!). Thanks Rob - great teaching. I admire your patience. As soon as someone says Paul was mistaken - that person is dead to me and they fall into the category of swine. Why? 1. I think they're insane; 2) they make themselves the arbiters of what is canonical. When people do that they're delusional and you cannot have any meaningful debate as logic has left the building.
There are several "regulars" in the comment section who, after going round & round with them, you will eventually discover that either they utterly reject Paul &/or deliberately misinterpret him in order to make their "theology" (word used loosely) work OR, worse, that they completely reject Jesus as Messiah & God. It is maddening. No one is stopping people from making up their own religion(s) (which is what they've done), but to come here day after day, week after week, month after month, arguing for their own twisted views (& they're all slightly different - they can't even agree amongst themselves) & attacking those who hold to conventional beliefs (orthodox/catholic/protestant - at least we hold to the basics of the faith: Jesus' birth/death/resurrection as both human & God) is unfathomable.
The tought of your rolling of eyes, Sir just start with baby talk, learn Thy words as defined by The Word itself. Start with Righteousness. It's very definition is located in Duet 6 25. Then go on from there, it will help you along this narrow path if you seek it.
@@kimartistagain Kim, you Never put forth only your opinions about how they, we, me, think? And you totaly "miss the Mark" Bible refferance there in case ya don't know it... " Come On Man" (old Joe)
I love the Torah❤️ maybe not as much as King David and definitely not as much as Messiah but I love it so much ❤️ it’s not a ministry of death, it’s a Way of Life, The Way of Life.
Great video so far Rob, I’m just 10 minutes in, this has always been the “nail in the coffin” argument with Torah Observance but always leads to explaining Christs sacrifice away. Keep fighting the fight brother. *Edit-and what’s worse is, for the last 2000 years, none of us have been “properly” able to worship God and what He requires with sacrifice. He has left us in the dark since the death and resurrection of Jesus because we are unable to sacrifice since there is no temple and the priesthood. The Father doesn’t do that to His children. We now offer a sacrifice of praise in Spirit and Truth. Not only on the mountains in Israel but over the whole earth!
Biblical? I think Relion refutation, maybe? Because My Bible surely don't sound like the Anti, disobedient Ones that userpt the Son over Thy Father..... this anti Gods Word teachings are babble Talk throught out the languages of Religions. Got Milk, No, better Start learning Torah buddy...
Please explain to me why Ezekiel 37 - 48 says: 1. Temple is coming back, and YHVH is pleased with it. 2. The levite sons of Zadok will run the temple services according to Torah. 3. The sin altar will be reopened and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted. 4. Jesus teaches Torah from Jerusalem 5. The earth is subjected to torah for 1000 years. Do you believe GOD told Ezekiel a lie?
Just here for the comment section 😝 But seriously, extremely cogent teaching, thank you. This is my 1st time hearing a 119 video, so it's interesting to get a little taste, but thank goodness no more. I don’t like to waste my time listening to false teachers (& thank you for doing it for us) & especially ones like this who sound very calm, rational, professional & you can see how otherwise intelligent people could get drawn into this false system 😢
119 is good instruction, If you dont mind? how do you know if you are on the correct righteous path. I mean there's 20,000 plus lables of christainity, and I'm too scared to Pick One....
Interestingly, Smurfy, all 20,000+ denominations of Christianity are in far more agreement on the primary theological issues than the myriad Torah-keeping sects and offshoots. RLS
Rob, thanks another great teaching. Just curious about something. I have been studying a lot about the early Church Fathers (ante-nicene) to gain more understanding around the early church that was connected with the Apostles. I have yet to read anything from them about the continuance of animal sacrifices or even the need for them. I would think these men would have passed this down if it was required or even expected of believers. Thanks, again. Shalom
The Epistles were being hunted down and killed mostly overtakers of this religion. You will only find information on the early church written by biased men. The first church.???? quohals as it was called. We're all hunted down, and most of the Hebrew. Scriptures burnst. all but a remnant got through it but not on that continent. Do really understand what happened to the religion?In the beginning you have to study between diocletian and constantine....
You're both a little right, you're both a little wrong, and you both need to think deeper. During the millennial reign of Christ, the curse will still be on the earth and there will be mortals wrapped in flesh giving birth the the next generation, until the 1000 years is up. They will still be sinning, just like we do now even though we have faith. Gal 3:24-25 says the law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ and that once a person has faith, they are no longer under a tutor. The best way to learn something is by hands on lessons and getting all the human senses involved. People who didn't live through Daniel's 70th week, will need to learn about God's law, sin, death, what their King did for them, and the provision He made so that they can come into fellowship with Him. The church will not be functioning on earth like it is now, it will take on a different form in the millennial reign of Christ. There are clearly sacrifices going on in Ezekiel's future temple in Ezekiel chps 40-48. If that temple doesn't come about, that would make Ezekiel a false prophet, and we know he's not. There are things we do not yet understand about what will happen when Jesus physically comes to live with His people on earth. Jesus will be traversing heaven and earth, through the 2nd heaven, just like there will be resurrected/raptured church saints also making those trips in their glorified bodies. All of us church members will be coming into contact with sinful flesh, while we're serving the earth dwellers. Therefore, all of us need to be asking what role does Ezekiel's temple, and the unique sacrifices specified, have to do with these ministerial details during the 1000k years? I have a lot more to say about this but you get the theme of this first point I've presented. We all need to be thinking out of the box because some of the verses provided in this video by each presenter, were not studied enough or applied accurately. I have many more points to make but I don't want to make this comment any longer. God bless the household of God here, joy and peace to you.
There are clearly sacrifices going on in Ezekiel's future temple in Ezekiel chps 40-48. If that temple doesn't come about, that would make Ezekiel a false prophet, and we know he's not. *We can add to that the offerings of the Levites in Jeremiah 33 which are also promised to occur in the coming Davidic kingdom, the sacrifices discussed at the end of Zechariah 14 after Christ returns and so on. I don’t know why folks are not more aware of these clearly stated Scriptural ideas. God even goes as far in Zechariah 14 to warn us that even Gentile nations like Egypt will be required to come up each year to keep the feast of Tabernacles from Leviticus 23, or there will be very real consequences if they refuse. Just as God warns the pastors in Jeremiah 23 who are not doing right by his people, pastors he will replace when Christ returns. You would think more pastors and teachers would be aware of that sort of thing. And the fact that in Ezekiel 44 God is reinstating the Levites is clear proof that he has not abolished his salt covenant with Levi from Numbers 18, and the requirement of being circumcised in heart and in flesh in Ezekiel 44 is not going to sit well with those depending on Acts 15 to make a stink against circumcission and other aspects of the law. Clearly, Acts 15 at best could only be considered maybe a temporary measure to help ease the Gentile converts into the faith. But, clearly, God has every intention of bring ing his law back on line as he admits in Isaiah 2:1-5. What is interesting is that God is the one pointing out that when people refuse to hear his law and prophets, this is the condition in Zechariah 7 God refers to as having a heart like an adamant stone: the same stony heart God seeks to remove out of his people in Ezekiel 11 and 36. But, a lot of Christians want to hold on to their stony heart, rather than allow God to help them over this trecherous problem. Those who refuse to hear his law and prophets, he has Isaiah write a book about in Isaiah 30, arguing that what their rebellion is really up to is to cause the Most High to cease from before them. Little do they know, their transgressing his law, changing his ordinance, breaking his everlasting covenant is the reason why God says the curse devours the earth in Isaiah 24, the inhabitants are burned and few men left. The same curse that comes about in Zechariah 5 as well. But, as the fire is burning them, God asks in Isaiah 33 who can dwell with everlasting burnings, giving us a clear identification of the character traits required to achieve that critical objective so we are not consumed by the coming curse, seeing God promises to bring his people through the fire in Zechariah 13:9, just like he did when he brought Daniel’s three friends in Daniel 3 through the firey furnace and they weren’t harmed.
@@coreybray9834 You've brought out excellent points here. There's clearly going to be an amazing plan for the remnant who survives the great tribulation. I've been seeking the Lord to show me more reasons why they will be performing sacrifices. Whenever you come up with a thought about these millennial sacrifices, Corey, even if it's random and not fully developed, I'd appreciate it if you would put your thought under the latest video I've posted. I'll eventually be making a video about them but I feel like I'm still missing some important keys to them. Blessings to you.
@@suekeith @suekeith 4 days ago @coreybray9834 You've brought out excellent points here. There's clearly going to be an amazing plan for the remnant who survives the great tribulation. *Well, I believe the great tribulation is in the past. It is mentioned in the fourth church of Revelation, and I believe we live in the sixth church of Revelation today, when God keeps his people from the hour of trial that will come over the whole earth before Christ comes quickly. I think of it this way. After the Passover in Egypt, God had the people wander for 40-years in the wilderness, then they crossed Jordan into Canaan, and they kept Passover and reinstituted circumcision, then the trumpets were blown the seven days as they marched around Jericho. Notice, God’s people did not get hurt in the Jericho experience, but they were dominating then over their enemies, because Joshua (who symbolizes Yeshua) was leading them to victory. Since Christ’s crucifixion and the end of the 70th week of Daniel 9 in 34 AD, there has been 40-Levitical Jubiles until 1994 when Christianity did its own wandering in the wilderness in Revelation 12. The woman who fled into the wilderness in Revelation 12 was given two wings of a great eagle, and God in like manner told Israel in Exodus 19 that he brought them out of Egypt on Eagle’s wings too. So, the Christian experience was already basically mapped out in the Exodus and the 40-years, to Christianity’s exodus out of Israel so we could take the gospel to the world. At the end of our 40-Jubile experience, we too crossed our own spiritual Jordan and around that time many Christians started returning back to keeping feasts and such, because Levitical feasts were to be kept after God’s people entered Canaan. Many of those feasts and their particulars could not be kept while they were wandering in the desert, because it would have been difficult to maintain stable agriculture while they were moving around and the issues of trying to grow crops in the desert. Now that we are spiritually in Canaan, we to are now experiencing the seven trumpets being blown in Revelation 8-11 and the turmoil that comes over the earth as a consequence, but instead of Jericho falling at the end of these seven trumpets, Babylon is destroyed. So, again, the experience from the Exodus to the fall of Jericho is repeated in the Christian experience as the types of the law met their antitypes. And this is why Lucifer wants to toss out the law, because he does not want God’s people to recognize that the foundation of the prophetic plan God has put forth for his people is rooted in that experience in the law. But, God says he will seal his law among his disciples in Isaiah 8:16, so those who are rejecting the law today are rejecting the seal, and by verse 20, god judges there is no light in those who speak not according to his law and testimony and by verse 22 God also warns they will curse God and king and be driven into darkness. So, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that we see this sharp contrast between those who accept God and his law and those who reject God and his law. The seal of God will not be embraced by everyone. Deuteronomy 6 instructs God’s people to bind up the law to their right hand and forehead between the frontlets of their eyes. And those who do not make the law a part of their thoughts and their doings, these will be far more vulnerable to taking the mark of the beast in the same location of their right hand and forehead instead in Revelation 14.*
@@suekeith Sue: I've been seeking the Lord to show me more reasons why they will be performing sacrifices. Whenever you come up with a thought about these millennial sacrifices, Corey, even if it's random and not fully developed, I'd appreciate it if you would put your thought under the latest video I've posted. I'll eventually be making a video about them but I feel like I'm still missing some important keys to them. Blessings to you. *Well, I have difficulty following videos because I am blind, so I post as best I can on these comment sections, but navigating and finding videos is difficult. It is evident to me that God transferred the law to the heavenly sanctuary after the earthly temple was rendered without function back at Christ’s time, and in Ezekiel 37 God will return and place a new sanctuary among us so he can dwell in our midst again and resume the particulars of his law. Christians do not seem to recognize the importance of god’s question in Isaiah 33 when he asks who can dwell with everlasting burnings, and then goes into the character traits required to exist in God’s presence, and why his people will call god their law giver, not their law liberator. Because the law will go forth from Zion in Isaiah 2:1-5 and the world will change to something lawless Christian thinking under the rule of Paul in Christianity has never been able to achieve to date which is the nations not learning war anymore. As a consequence of the sanctuary being restored and the law going forth from Zion, we will return to needing Levitical priests to function in that sanctuary as outlined in Ezekiel 44, Revelation 3:12, 7 and 20:6 as well as other prophecies, and the feasts and sacrifices will return on up through Ezekiel 46, Zechariah 14 and so on.
@@suekeith People think of the blood of the sacrifice as the means to forgive sin, but that’s not really the point of the sacrifices and their blood. God never needed a sacrifice to forgive sins, or even resurrect and take people like Moses, Enoch and Elijah. God was taking people and forgiving sins long before Christ ever went to the cross. What God needed sacrifices for was first to depict what Christ would have to endure on the cross at Passover to certify that he was worthy enough in Revelation 5 to be qualified to become our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary, and in the sanctuary soon to come in the restored Davidic kingdom where Christ is like Joshua the High Priest who is also a king in Zechariah 6 after god delivered his people out of Babylon. Remember,we are supposed to come out of Babylon too in Revelation 18:4. After we come out of Babylon, Zechariah 7 introduces man to the idea of the heart like an adamant stone that has been separating God from his people the entire time, because they refuse to hear the law and the words he sent by his servants the prophets. This is the same forever rebellion God has Isaiah write a book about in Isaiah 30. In Isaiah 30 many claiming to be God’s people will not hear his law, they want his prophets to tell them smooth lies and their ultimate goal is to cause the Most High to cease from before them. For those who appreciate his law and prophets, God wants to remove their stony heart in Ezekiel 11 and 36, and in doing so they will return to keping his law, statutes, judgements and commandments with a new heart. But, in Ezekiel 18, God explains that the wicked must turn from all their sins if they want to live, because repentance (which Christ came preaching we should do all the way back in Matthew 9:13) is what helps us to create a new heart and a new spirit, making us more fit to be part of the restored Davidic kingdom and its Sanctuary to come. By Jeremiah 23, the pastors who preach wrong things and do not visit and feed the flock, Christ will replace them at his second coming with new shepherds who will teach his law and prophecies correctly to the people. By Jeremiah 33, God says he will reemploy the Levites to make offerings in the coming Davidic kingdom, same as Ezekiel 44. So, the point of returning the sacrifices is to restore the protection of Christ’s ministrationwhile God dwels in our midst so we can continue to learn to be righteous as God is trying to restore us fully with sanctification too, not merely justification in Isaiah 26, but the wicked will still refuse to learn righteousness at that time, but the blood of these sacrifices according to Revelation 12 helps us to overcome the accuser of the brethren, namely Lucifer, who was cast down back at the cross after the war in heaven ended resulting from Christ’s victory. Lucifer didn’t want to leave heaven quietly. But,the blood of these sacrifices, instead of paying for sins, what they actually do is they certify that every case Christ reviews in the heavenly sanctuary is associated with the blood of a sacrifice to remind Lucifer that his accusations against Christ and his people who are forgiven does not stand when Christ applies his blood, but this time around in the restored Davidic kingdom the Gentiles will learn this from the sanctuary services they missed out on, not growing up with the Jewish law as an integral part of their life. Remember in Isaiah 60 the forces of the Gentiles will be converted, and a lot of these Gentiles know nothing all that much about God’s law and all its intricate details, so this is why we see Gentile nations like Egypt in Zechariah 14 required to keep the Levitical feast of Tabernacles too. Because God is dispelling the argument that says all these ideas from the law were only intended for the Jews. But, notice in Isaiah 66:22-23 God says “all flesh” will come in the New Earth to keep his Sabbaths and new Moon feasts, not merely Jews only, else only Jews would be saved if only Jews keep these things. And God wants to save Gentiles too, so he says “all flesh” instead of “Jews” only. Now, Lucifer depends on accusing God of being an unfit judge and accusing us as being as wicked and prone to sin as he is, suggesting that if God forgives us he must also forgive Lucifer. But, Christ’s victory over Lucifer at the cross changed that dynamic, because Christ is a fit judge and was found worthy under the New Song of Revelation 5, and his blood now protects us from Lucifer’s accusations in Revelation 12, where before we were vulnerable to Lucifer’s accusations. So, Lucifer has lost some of his insurance policy he has been using to keep god from destroying him after the fall of man. So, these are a few of the thoughts I have had about sacrifices and what they really represent and why they will be returned in the restored Davidic kingdom-especially as a teaching tool for the incoming Gentiles who lack the benefit of knowing the deep and intricate particulars of god’s laws and what they stand for. Christians today just have a nack for tossing out what they don’t see the value in, and this has raped Christians of a true sense of the culture and way of thinking god employs when orienting to his people. They can’t appreciate why christ says in Matthew 4:4 that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, words so many Christians are trying to toss out. They don’t pause to consider there are more than simply sacrifices for sins in the law, there is the Passover sacrifice, sacrifices of burnt offering, peace offerings, ttresspass offerings, sin offerings, free will offerings and so on. So, the richness of these ideas are lost to most Christians, but they are not lost to God. God even employs many of the types of the law in later prophecies, like the seven lampstands of the sanctuary candlestick of exodus 25 reemerging in Zechariah 4 and Revelation 1-4. God speaks to people in types, but the foundational meaning of these types is in the law, and Christians are trying to toss out the rosetta stone that is the law which helps them to make sense of the later prophecies. Jews kept hold of the law, but they rejected the gospels which would have taught them how to realize the point of what the law was pointing them to, namely Christ and his ministration which was moving from an earthly temple governed by Levitical priests to a heavenly sanctuary governed by Christ of the Order of Melchizedek (the other priesthood in torah). The Jews should have understood that Christ was the other prophet like Moses in Deuteronomy 18, and Christians should understand this too, because those who get the victory and stand on the sea of glass in Revelation 15 will sing the song of Moses and the Lamb: meaning they are not trying to create a wedge between the teachings of Moses and the gospel of Christ, but they see this is a unified and completed message by studying both. That is why Christ said in the Parable of Lazzarus and the rich man that if they hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead like Lazzurus. Christ is also one who rose from the dead who is having a hard time persuading those who reject Moses and the prophets. But, it is interesting to watch today that many Jews are starting to recognize that yeshua was their Messiah, and many Christians are starting to recognize the law does have merit, and I don’t think that is by mistake. God is getting ready to reunite the two houses of Israel in Ezekiel 37 whose brotherhood was broken in Zechariah 11 with the death of Christ after he was betrayed for 30-pieces of silver. In prophecy, Israel typically represents literal Israel, and Judah represents Christianity, because christ is the lion of the tribe of Judah in Revelation 5. So, the breaking of the brotherhood of Israel and Judah in Zechariah 11 is the separation of Christians out from the Jews after the cross. And the two sticks being joined together in Ezekiel 37 is God reuniting these two houses to bring about the restored Davidic kingdom. This is also why God divides Israel after the death of David into Northern and Southern Israel. He is again trying to explain how Christianity represents Judah and literal Israel represents samaria which is under Ephraim of Joseph. So, the houses of Joseaph and Judah come back together in Ezekiel 37 to resolve that allegory god played out as well so we could see the same story play out again and again to better understand how Israel and Christianity function in prophecy. May God bless you and make his face to shine upon you, Sue.
To offer sacrifices in a temple in the future wouldn't make sense because we've already been given a way by Jesus himself to comemorate his sacrifice: the Lord's supper.
There is a distinction of the words for atonement that is used in the New Covenant that differs from the Old Covenant system. The NC removes sins and reconciles us, the OC covers sins which must be reapplied yearly.
And every time we sin its like Crucifying HIM all over again, Not in The Fisical but in the spiritual sense. Wisdom of Torah Helps to keep from Sinning.. If we are to be the temple we might want to try to learn how to treat the temple.
@WilliamDeanlll I appreciate your trying to make sense of this but I believe that you will find that the OT system allowed for people to be forgiven. Those sins did not roll over or need covered again. They were absolutely forgiven and were not held against anyone after they received their forgiveness. Else, God is a liar.... What the new covenant will do, someday when it is consumated, will make us a new with spiritual bodies that will never sin again. That is what is found in Hebrews talking about the New Covenant taking away sin which the Old Covenant could not do. Taking away the sin means that it will never happen again. But when sin is done, it has to be atoned for which means that every year, those newly committed sins are remembered. The sin of lying, stealing, murder and the like, all done by people every year causes that sin to be recalled. Just like a speed limit sign in town where you have to go before the judge and pay a penalty for going to fast. You are made whole at that time but the next joker that goes to fast over that same speed limit sign will once again remind the judge of that violation. Not of you, you are already made whole. But he will be reminded of that speed limit sign and it's violation. Someday when we are IN the new covenant, we will never sin no more. Not just us but everyone remaining will be transformed and will never sin again. Thus, the sin will have been taken away. Until then, sacrifice for sin continues....
@@6969smurfy I understand what your saying, but scripture is very clear that our sanctification is not from the Torah or Decalogue. You're mixing the Mosaic and New Covenants together. Deuteronomy 4:13 and Exodus 34:28 makes it clear that those were the Old Covenant, Hebrews 7:12 says there is a new law, 2 Corinthians 3:13 says this new law is written on one's heart and not from the Decalogue.
@@jeremiahchapman9288 Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it! There is nothing to indicate that the Old Testament saints were forgiven based on the Mosaic Covenant, in fact it is the opposite. The New Testament calls this a ministry of death (Galatians 3:24, 2 Corinthians 3:7), to get people to realize they need a savior. The Old Testament saints, even those that came before Moses or the Decalogue, were saved because their hope was in God, i.e. faith. Thus faith is how we enter into this New Covenant, not being born into it by the Mosaic Covenant Jeremiah 31:31-34 explains to us God will not remember our sins within the New Covenant and the Holy Spirit enables us with teaching, wisdom, and power in our relationship with Jesus. Jesus, being our High Priest, is the mediator when we do stumble. The love we experience within this relationship produces desire to obey the Law of Christ. Hopefully this helps, God bless!
@@WilliamDeanIII I would love to address this. First I will show you a bunch of verses that prove that he did in fact forgive them during the first marriage covenant. Lev 5:10 And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him. (Psalms 32:5) Then I acknowledged my sin to You and did not hide my iniquity. I said: “I confess my transgressions to Adonai,” and You forgave the guilt of my sin. Selah Forgiveness given under the first marriage covenant Lev 4:32 And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish. ... Lev 4:35 ...; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him. Psa 85:2 Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah. 2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Psa 78:38 But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. Second, I would like to point out that in Jeremiah 31:31 when describing the new marriage covenant to come, he did not say that there had not yet been any forgiveness, he was simply stating the terms of the new marriage covenant. The big difference between the new and the old is that under the new marriage covenant, everyone will intimately know him and his ways so much so that no one will need to teach another person because they will already know it. Also, under the new marriage covenant, people will no longer sin. Period. So that makes the new marriage covenant better than the first one. Peace to you.....
Isaiah 66:3 ESV [3] “He who slaughters an ox is like one who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, like one who breaks a dog’s neck; he who presents a grain offering, like one who offers pig’s blood; he who makes a memorial offering of frankincense, like one who blesses an idol. These have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations; The closing chapters of Isaiah are oft used in defense of a future millennium, particularly of one that is very very Torah Observant. How could they possibly get that? So far as I can tell, the better reading of Isaiah is that there is no future millennium characterized by Jewish practice. What are your thoughts on Isaiah and its closing chapters, Rob?
You didn't ask for random opinions, but I'll offer one anyway Isaiah is really good stuff. And probably truly written in 600ish bc Isaiah is revealing history and practices that we ignore in favor of an embellished and often falsified history of the land and people
Verse 4 and 5 of Isaiah 66 help to make verse 3 make sense. God is saying that for those that do not heed his call and do not seek him, that when they slaughter an ox (as a sacrifice) then it will be to him as painful as when someone kills another person. For that sacrifice ignores what God really asked for in the first place. Obedience. The prophet Jeremiah put it like this: Jer 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Notice in verse 22 he said that he did not talk to them concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices but for them to "Obey my voice" Anytime we fail to obey his voice and then offer sacrifices as if we are at peace with him, it is a stench to his nostrils!
@jeremiahchapman9288 The content is similar to that of the hall of faith in Hebrews 11. Faith is what characterizes a follower of Jesus, not the Levitical system. Other passages I feel are connected, the 1st one leading your way, would be Ezekiel 8 where he sees awful things happening in the temple (also 24 for the state of Israel) . The other being Matthew 23 and Jesus scathing rebuke and condemnation of the scribes and Pharisees. The temple was then called their house and not His, and would (and was) left desolate. One of the practical reasons sacrifices aren't offered anymore. Isaiah typifies it in his closing chapters too. Ritual doesn't please Him in the new covenant (speaking of Jeremiah).
@@rocketmanshawn well, we still offer the sacrifices. Exactly as Solomon said to in 1 kings 8 and as Hosea 14:2 says to. It is exactly as they did while in the dispersion..... Faith is the hallmark of a true believer... Which is why those that have it, obey his commandments. Faith without works is dead. Rituals have always pleased him if they are the ones that he established. It is a great time for him to get together with his people and have them all hang out together around in his presence. You said, "Speaking of JEremiah" What did he say that makes you think that God's ways are done away with?
The Torah movement loves to say Jesus has not yet accomplished all He has to do so therefore the Torah of Moses still stands…even though there are at least a few verses in the NT that literally state that Jesus accomplished all the Father gave him to do.
Lies, I like how disobedient children put words in the adult mouths. BTW, infants don't know that It's YAHs instructions, and Moses was the Author. Infants that do NOT know how to speak sure do babble alot!
"IM not out of order, Your out of order" lol remeber that movie? Anyways, .. HE, YAHshua did everything requested here on Earth, He has not returned to Kill/slaughter the unrighteous yet! And yea, heaven ( Cosmos) and Earth (dirt) have not passed away. (New perfect Heaven and Earth) BTW I believe the definition of Richouness is found in Duet 6 25.... 🎉 Halalu-YAH (praise YAH)
Peace and blessings, he accomplished everything the father gave him to do in reference to his first arrival. Luke 24:44-48 specifies exactly what he accomplished. Nothing more nothing less.
@teacherlynn…the biblical system is an honour / dishonour system…just as Adam was told “ in the day you eat of it you shall surely die “ so no one lived to be a 1,000 years old..so 1,000 years under God’s Torah has to happen because He is an Honourable God..Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 Nothing of Christ’s great sacrifice is lessened by daily sacrifices at Ezekiel’s Temple. I think that is the real point and I think you are hinting at that.
There is no literal temple it’s Jesus himself he even says this to the Samaritan women. “Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”” John 4:21-24 ESV
How do you work around . Ezekiel 46:4 (KJV) And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day [shall be] six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish. Ezekiel 46:6 (KJV) And in the day of the new moon [it shall be] a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish. This is speaking of the Prince that is to come . All shall come to worship. Zechariah 14:18 (KJV) And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. Zechariah 14:19 (KJV) This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. You must ignore these or justify them . Which is it ?
There is a lot more to be ignored so to speak. The animal sacrifice will return exactly as in the days of old and in the former years. Of course they are free to ignore everything from the prophets of the Tanakh and put their trust 100% in anonymous authors of the new testament
A common explanation ( see dispensational theology for example) is that these prophecies are applicable to "survivors of the nations" (Zechariah 14:16) in the future millennial kingdom. That is, after Jesus' return there will be at least some components of the law of Moses reinstated for remaining mortals.
@@davidjoly9816 Think about what dispensation is saying. It is saying GOD changes depending on the generation. Scripture does not teach that . Man did not live up to GODS standards and HE sent a flood and destroyed all but those HE chose to save on an ark . The Hebrew failed to live up to HIS standards and they were consumed in the wilderness. The Israelites failed and lost two Temples and the Promised Land . How many more example’s does man need ? GOD is our standard. HE changes not . Man changes and usually for the worst . Man does not become as GOD but we must come up to the standard’s HE has gave us . Just do some serious thinking . Remember Jesus studied the Old Scriptures not Paul’s writings.
I'm not a dispensationalist, but it is a common theological system that tries to makes sense of those prophecies. Many non dispensationalists take a similar view. But I think you need to look closer at what it means to "change". The Law of Moses was given long after Abraham. Did God change when he gave the Law to Moses? Or did he enter a special covenant with Israel? Abraham didn't have the temple, a levitical priesthood, or all those ceremonial laws. Neither did anyone before him. When God makes a covenant, does that imply "change"? If not, why would the new covenant imply a change?" There's also the concept of progressive revelation. God reveals more of himself to humanity through the prophets and particularly Jesus. How many Jews at the time of Jesus believed in the divine Word that would be made flesh? Not many. Did the nature of God change? Of course not. The knowledge of his nature changed.
@@davidjoly9816 Everything literally changed. Christianity came to introduce a completely new God who was totally foreign to our ancestors. The concept of God in the flesh is not biblical. There are a large number of verses that go against this idea. Again and again we are warned that God is not a man and must not be confused with anything. Shouldn't that be self-explanatory? We know that God created man in his own image. So why is there a need to create God in man's image? Isn't it already perfect enough?
If that's what they believe, how about Matthew 5:19-22, I Jesus is talking about the chosen people and still old testament until his death Hebrew 9.8-14
The way the original question being framed is in error to begin with, because the fact of the matter is that the animal sacrifices could truly never atone for anyone's sins as this man acknowledged. Only the Blood of Christ could do so, so even when sacrifices are done again in the millennial Kingdom as scripture tells us will be the case, it's not going to disregard or disrespect what Christ did but serve as a memorial rather 💯❤️📖⚔️
This is interesting! You said "the animal sacrifices could truly never atone for anyone's sins." Yet God said, "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to *make atonement* for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life" (Lev. 17:11). RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots it is very interesting 🤔 the sacrifices were obviously given as a prototype and foreshadowing of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach otherwise the blood of goats would of taken away sins, which we know is not possible #Hebrews10:4 💯❤️📖⚔️
It is still required....(Important part) but the law says without a temple/tabernacle you are not to sacrifice (See Deuteronomy 12:13). Just like sacrifices stopped during Ezekiel's time and Sin was forgiven by repentance while there was no temple/tabernacle (See Ezekiel 18:21-23, 1 Samuel 15:22) or . Which is why Jesus taught repentance. So in this case nothing has passed from the law because the law had a law about this. Jesus had to sacrifice because there was a temple. And his sacrifice was better because it could forgive sins that animal sacrifices couldn't like murder, witchcraft, idolatry. homosexuality, and like 5 others. This is why Christians like Paul, James, and Peter were still sacrificing. See Acts 21:15-26 because the church doesn't see the gentiles as grafted in as Israel like a proselyte (This last sentence can be argued) If you read further in your Hebrew 10 examples it warns about sin after accepting Christ because His death cleared you sins are acceptance and your actions are recorded to see if you have truly repented(Keep the law) and have the laws in your heart. This is allowed by grace instead of instant death during Moses time. The next big sacrifice is the Day of the Lord which is symbolized by the Day of Atonement. See Ezekiel 39:17-End and Revelations 19:11-19. Because Blood makes atonement for SIN
To think that the sabbath, Feasts days, or eating clean evolved into being optional based off colossians 2:16 which is actually saying the opposite of your guy's interpretation, is quite sad and unfortunate 💯❤️📖⚔️
Actually, when read in context, that's _exactly_ what that passage in Colossians 2 says. Here's a detailed study we did on that passage: *Part 1: Torah Shadows of Christ: Colossians 2:16-17 * ruclips.net/video/fpgP3SsIT-E/видео.html *Part 2: Torah Shadows: 3 Arguments on Colossians 2:16-17* ruclips.net/video/MIUp_bfQ_nY/видео.html Shalom! RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots actually your position is 100% incorrect, otherwise in verse 20 of the same chapter it would mean "the rudiments of the world" and "doctrines of men" would be the Torah of God, which would be blasphemy 💯❤️📖⚔️
Rob what was the sacrifice required for Yom Kippur? As all the other sacrifices that you’re talking about are for unintentional sin, mind you that not all of these required a blood sacrifice.
You should really read the whole Bible not just a few verses and then come up with some entire theology based on an out of context quote. Do you want to know how God feels about it? Maybe you should read the first chapter of Isaiah he makes it pretty clear how he feels about the law.
there was pardon of sin before there was an altar in a tabernacle or temple you don't understand the sacrifices you don't understand atonement how can you compare/contrast the work of messiah laying down his life to something you are clearly misinformed on?
I really hope Solberg reads this as I would love to hear from him regarding my response and questions. As a general overview, you mentioned sacrifices for SIN are no longer required but then throughout your video you go on to say ANY sacrifices and then the LAW is no longer required. A few simple questions and then I will go deeper into your research. 1. Is Jesus the final authority or Paul? Jesus is of course. He is the walking example of how to keep Torah, the word of God. He is the authority not Paul. Paul needs to align himself with the Messiah otherwise he is a false teacher. What did Jesus teach about the law of God aka Moses? Did he say once I'm gone, you aren't required to keep God's laws? NO! In fact he magnified the law by saying don't even go as far as thinking about transgressing the laws. You mention Matt 5:18, heaven and earth have not passed so every little part of God's law is still in affect. until all is accomplished means until these things he just mentioned occur. If you go on in verse 19 - Jesus says therefore WHOEVER RELAXES one of the LEAST of these commandments and TEACHES others to do so..." It is clear on the stance of Jesus regarding God's laws. They are still required until heaven and earth pass away, every little iota. 2. If Jesus didn't say it was done away with, how could Paul? If Paul truly states otherwise then he is a false teacher. I don't think he did but rather his words have been misunderstood. This was and is common just as Peter stated. Bottom line, if Jesus didn't say it, Paul is not saying it. 3. If Paul himself didn't believe the sacrifices were required or relevant than why did he continue to do these things? Not just the Nazarite vow but he also returned for the pilgrimage feasts - Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks aka Pentecost. In Acts - why was Paul taking others to the temple? Because he was being accused of what? Acts 21:24. By keeping the law of God he would show his accusers that he was still living in OBSERVANCE of the law. He was arrested because he was accused of the breaking the laws of God and telling others too. Acts 21:26 - The NEXT DAY.. he PURIFIED himself along with them (the 4 others). This is also stated in Acts 24:17-18. He brought his sacrifices/offerings...they found him PURIFIED in the temple. How does one purify himself regarding the Nazarite vow? What offerings are brought? Numbers 6:13 - three sacrifices - one male lamb for burnt offering, one ewe lamb for sin offering, one ram for peace offering, grain and drink offerings. If he had been purified than the animals/grain/drink offerings would have been completed. It doesn't state going to be purified. Whether or not he was able to do these sacrifices is irrelevant. He was going to perform these things with the others in observance of God's law. The festivals they continued to celebrate - Unleavened Bread and Feast of Weeks include animal offerings as well. They would of celebrated in observance of God's law. 4. If God doesn't require these sacrifices anymore, and if as you say they are pointless an ineffective, than why is God bringing the sacrifices (all of them) back during the millennial reign? Ezekiel 40-48, Zech 14. These are literal things that will happen, not just poetic. 5. Misunderstanding scripture - You use Hebrews 10:18 many times throughout your teaching but I don't think you realize the context of this passage. Hebrews 10:16-18 is quoting directly from Jeremiah 31:33-34. He is speaking of the new covenant. He states I will put my LAW within them and I will write it on their HEARTS....no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and his brother ...for they shall all know me....I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more. Has this happened yet? No, as it is not written our hearts and minds. We still have to teach others, not all know Him. This is speaking of a time to come when this will be accomplished when Jesus returns to judge the world, when he casts out the wicked from the righteous. If you go on to Heb 10:22, he is quoting Ezekiel 36:25-27, 33 - (new covenant, new man) I will sprinkle clean water on you...I will give you a new heart and new spirit...I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. Moving on....Hebrews 10:28 says ANYONE who has set aside the law of Moses (aka God's laws) dies without mercy on the evidence of 2-3 witnesses. 1 Corinthians 9:20 - what is Paul really saying hear? It's about how you present the word of God to believers or unbelievers. I will speak differently to those who are believers vs those who don't believe. He states, to those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law). To be "under" g5259 hypo, means to stand accused, accusative case. He became like Jesus in that instance. He was among the sinners even though he was not still a sinner. Paul talks about being under the law alot..to the Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, etc. Romans gives a good overview of which laws he is speaking of. There are two. This isn't specifically referencing God's laws. Romans 8:2 - For the "law of the Spirit" has set you free in Messiah Jesus from the "law of sin and death". 9:21 talks about the outsiders who don't even know Gods law... He also states how those will be dealt with unbelievers vs those accountable to God's law in Romans 2:12-13 -All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. FOR IT IS NOT HEARERS OF THE LAW WHO ARE RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW WHO WILL BE JUSTIFIED. When you see "under the law" he is speaking about the LAW OF SIN which equals death. 6. Does Paul contradict Jesus, himself and the other apostles? We covered if Jesus didn't say it Paul couldn't say otherwise. Paul himself kept the laws as he told others to do, just as Jesus did. (Romans 2, 3, Acts It is the fruit of your salvation. He does not go back on his words nor does he conflict with other apostles like James and John. 1 John 2:4-5; 5:3, Revelation 12:17; 14:12, James 2
It IS called the 'Law of Moses' in the OT: Josh 8:31, 32, Josh 23:6, 1 Kings 2:3, 2 Kings 14:6, 2 Kings 23:25, Dan 9:11, 13, and several more. In the NT, it IS called the 'Law of Moses' in Luke 2:22, Acts 13:39, Acts 15:5, Acts 28:23, 1 Cor 9:9, and Heb 10:28. Jesus Himself calls it the 'Law of Moses' in Luke 24:44 and John 7:23. Technically, Moses received the Law from God, but I can't find 'law of God from Moses' anywhere in Scripture.
It was never the animal’s blood that took away the sins of the person. It was the person’s faith and repentance. The sin sacrifice is a physical representation of the work of MESSIAH. In the past it pointed forward to HIS death and Resurrection. When they resume they will point back to be a reminder of what HE did. MESSIAH forgives 2 people of their sins (Luke 5 :20 and 7 :48) without a sin sacrifice and before HIS death. This is not a New Testament concept. Numbers 21 :4-9, Hosea 6 :6, Deuteronomy 30, 2 Chronicles 7 :14. Forgiveness is given when the offender truly repents and has faith in YHWH. Otherwise why does HE reject sacrifices done with the wrong motives. It’s not a magic formula to try and appease HIM. It’s about genuine faith and repentance. Genesis 4 :2-8, Isiah 66 :1-6, Psalm 51 :16-18.
Rob, heaven and earth were represented by the Temple, heaven is the holy of holies, and the Temple passed away in AD70. Ordinances were nailed to the Cross.
The LAW "legalistic part" was nailed, Now we are to put it on Our Fleshy Hearr! That's Torah! Speaking against TORAH is an abomination! Calling YAH/Gods instructions unrighteous..... WOW the world's turned upside Down!
@@6969smurfy No the ceremonial physical part of the temple polity has been nailed the Cross, they are in heaven, but the law remains. There are actually two statutes of the law, and only doers of the law shall be justified. Everything missed by Christianity is the truth, but the truth is there in the NT. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' there are 31 so far.
@simonskinner1450 1 day ago Rob, heaven and earth were represented by the Temple, heaven is the holy of holies, and the Temple passed away in AD70. Ordinances were nailed to the Cross. *A temporary measure at best, I assure you. God in Ezekiel 37 promises that he is bringing to us another sanctuary to place in our midst when he restores the coming Davidic kingdom. In Jeremiah 33, God promises that Levites will be making sacrificial offerings again at this time, and sure enough Ezekiel 44 and other chapters of prophecy agrees. In fact, Ezekiel 40-48 are 9 chapters worth of prophetic information of how Levites are reinstated, why circumcision of both flesh and heart will be required to enter the coming temple, why Levitical feasts will be resumed in chapters 44-46 and sacrifices too. And Zechariah 14 tends to head in this direction as well, arguing that after christ returns with all the saints, even Gentile nations like Egypt will be required to come up year by year to observe the Levitical feast of Tabernacles or else there will be serious consequences if they refuse, and Zechariah 14 also speaks of future sacrificing going on as well. There are many more prophecies indicating these ideas, but Christians just kind of conveniently ignore them, not realizing that God will make kings and priests of his people in Revelation 20:6 as well, again after Christ returns in chapter 19 of Revelation which is a rather similar scene to that of Zechariah 14. But, if you consider that like Judah of old who was exiled into Babylon and eventually came out of Babylon and rebuilt the temple under the king and priest Joshua as established in Zechariah 6. God played all this out ahead of time to prepare us for what is happening once we come out of Babylon in Revelation 18:4. Only this time around Christ is our King and High Priest in the future Davidic kingdom who restores the temple and the law. And this is why Isaiah 2:1-5 speaks of the law going forth from Zion and the result of the nations learning war no more. That’s a global accomplishment Christianity has not been able to achieve even remotely in its mostly antilaw agenda. But, in Zechariah 7, God has an answer for why we have failed to see progress like that. When we come out of Babylon, it will become evident that like the Jewish people in Zechariah 7, we have a heart like an adamant stone, because like them, we refuse to hear the law and the words God sent by his spirit through his servants the prophets. Notice, like the people of our day, they were without a temple for those 70-years of exile as well, and so their experience strongly mirrors our prophetic outcome as well, but few take the time to notice it. But, if you will notice, God intends in Ezekiel 11 and 36 to remove the stony heart of his true people: this implying that his true followers will realize the folly of rejecting his law and prophets. This might explain why those who get the victory over the beast and its image stand on the sea of glass in Revelation 15 and singng the song of Moses and the Lamb, not trying to pit Moses and the Lamb against one another as so many in Christianity are presently doing. In Ezekiel 18 God clarifies further that when the wicked turn from all of their sins and repent, they will surely live, and not die. That’s a message Christians simply do not want to hear, but it is the same chapter where God uses this explanation to identify how he plans to help us to create a new heart and new spirit in ourselves; thus, getting rid of the stony heart in the process. Instead, Christians want to hear that we are saved by grace and not of works of the law, cementing their stony heart into place, but the pastors who have not been feeding God’s flock correctly, God is not happy with them in Jeremiah 23, and so he says he will replace them with shepherds who will do right by his flock when Christ returns. And one final thing to consider is Isaiah 24:6. Look at the reasons why God says the curse will devour the earth, its inhabitants are burned and few men are left in this end time prophecy. God’s law becomes the central issue here and god is clearly not happy with what man has done to his law. This result is coming in our not so distant future, and it will be as devastating to the earth as the flood was back in Noah’s day. Only this time, God will cleanse the earth with fire rather than water. And Isaiah wasn’t the only prophet who spoke of this curse, because it comes up in Zechariah 5 as well.
@philo…they were following the Torah of the flesh ( man made ) not the Torah of the Spirit ( which came from above and out of YHVH mouth…Got Torah Got Truth
@23:23-23:36 The only thing I disagree with you about my dear brother, is this statement here; ⤵️ "What were commands under the old Covenant, we're allowed to continue as rituals and traditions, under the New Covenant. MY REASONING: ∆ For a Jew to PROCLAIM Faith in Christ, yet still continue in the ceremonial traditions of the Laws that Christ's ministry foreshadowed, (for example; ritual Sabbath Day keepings) demonstrates the absence of believe, that Christ did in fact fulfilled the Sabbath day ritual requirements, by becoming our ultimate sacrifice for the CONTINUALLY, UNINTERRUPTED, ONGOING Sabbath Rest, that mimics God's rest, which is the rest that Hebrews instructs us to enter into, and explicitly mentions how those who were observing the WEEKLY SABBATH, were in fact failing to enter into. ∆ For a Jew convert to Christianity to RETURN BACK, unto the subjugation of even JUST ONE, of the Mosaic law practices, is to deny the Life, Death, Burial and Resurrection, of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and places himself back in debt two damnation. -Galatians 5: 1-4 "STAND FAST therefore in the Liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN with the YOKE OF BONDAGE". -engaging in the practices of even one of the old rituals or ceremonial laws is to become UNCOMFORTABLY entangled. ∆ For Gentile Christians to TAKE UP any practices of the Mosaic Law, would be to nullify the ministerial work of the Life, Death, Burial and Resurrection, of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. - JUDE 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and DENYING the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ" - Here we see Jude (the brother of James) warning the Church of men who were known devout Jews unto the 613 Laws of the Mosaic Covenant, who were trying to encourage Gentile Christians to implement Mosaic law keeping into their salvific walk with Christ. -Jude refers to those who try to intermingle old law keeping with the Eternal Sabbath Rest Observances of Christians, UNGODLY, and reminding Christians that they are of the people who were delivered out of Egypt, yet (despite all of their law keeping) we're still later destroyed, because of their unbelief, thus warning Christians, not to take part in such practices that are destructive of their BELIEF. -for Christians must avoid even the willful practices of such blasphemous traditions. So I wholeheartedly disagree with the encouragement to still or take on practice of any aspects of the old Mosaic law, for fear of entangled ideologies, mudding doctrines, and unnecessary confusion, for those who are already "WEAK IN FAITH". -For since Romans 14 teaches us that such things are examples of WEAK FAITH, although we are instructed not to condemn anyone salvation for such weaknesses, we aren't to encourage and invite them add here to such practices that are cultivators or definers of WEAK FAITH.
I've struggled with that, too, LG. In the end I have to go with what I believe Scripture teaches. Jesus anticipated that His Jewish followers would continue to keep the Sabbath (Matt. 24:20). No one told anyone to stop keeping the Sabbath. And Paul was happy to keep those old covenant traditions if it meant he could share the Gospel with those under the law (1 Cor. 9:19-23). In fact, in Acts 21 Paul goes to the temple and purifies himself and prepares to take a Nazirite vow. And Colossians 2 doesn't say *_"Do not do these things,"_* it says *_"Let no one pass judgment on you_* in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath." (Col. 2:16). No one told anyone to stop keeping those things. So as I see it, keeping those traditions _as traditions_ is not prohibited. Of course, keeping them because you think they save you or add to your righteousness would be wrong! But we are free in Christ to keep them if we choose. The reason I think this is an important distinction is because (a.) its what the Bible says and (b.) we don't want Jews to think that they have to leave their Jewishness behind in order to follow Jesus. Paul didn't. The other Apostles didn't. And we don't want to place a stumbling block in front of Jews today who might come to Christ. Blessings, RLS
Correct! Gentiles don't have the TORAH, Only YAHisraels,Israel, God wrestlers labled as "His Peoples" find the Torah Of Heart! Gentiles are always labeled as the out siders that have Not found the Family structures of Thy Father ,Son, brother Sister aspect of The Family True Belivers. Remeber the Gentile Repenting looking like the infants that don't know how to walk and Talk. Growing g into a man of YAHisrael is Thy Goal, follow the perfect Messiah, he's our example to Follow, And will give Grace alone the way, if we REpent, turn around, get back of thy path when we falter.
I have a couple of questions for you . You are so well versed and blessed with such understanding. I am sure you will have no problem answering such basic questions. You preach “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins . But stated here . Leviticus 5:11 (KJV) But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put [any] frankincense thereon: for it [is] a sin offering. Flour was accepted for a sin offering no shedding of blood involved. The other is Deuteronomy 4:2 (KJV) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 12:32 (KJV) What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Jesus was well versed in the old scriptures so he would know these . So it would only be reasonable that he knew he could not add to nor take away from the FATHERS word . My understanding is you , we , may not have the full understanding of what is being said . We do know this Malachi 3:6 (KJV) For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Over time HE changes not but proven fact man does .
Well, if Christ came to change the law, Isaiah 8:20 would force us to conclude that God has judged that there is no light in him for speaking not according to the law and the testimony. Yet, John 1 refers to Christ as the light of the world. So, do Christians want us to believe he is the light of the world, hence in perfect agreement with the law and testimony as would be required under the test for true doctrine introduced by God in Isaiah 8:20, or are they trying to convince us that Christ has no light in him and that the claims of John 1 of Christ being the light of the world are a bold faced lie because they believed Christ does away with the law? Because Christ in Matthew 4:4 tells us that man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of god, and the law and the broader Old Testament for that matter that many Christians reject, contains the vast bulk of God’s words. How then can man live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God as Christ recommends, if people are trying to use Christ to abolish the very words of God in the law and the broader Old Testament writings? And how would such an attempt of twisting Christ’s words and doing that not create a situation where the godhead is a house divided against itself which christ concluded is a house that will fall? It is curious to note that those who get the victory over the Beast, its image, its mark and the number of its name, these people sing the song of Moses and the Lamb. They are not trying to create a division between Moses and the Lamb like those who do not get the victory. Perhaps this is because they took the time to recognize that Christ is the other prophet like Moses in the Messianic prophecy of Deuteronomy 18, not a prophet opposed to Moses. And that God in Deuteronomy 18 is going to hold us accountable for every word that he gives christ to speak to us-especially when Christ tells us man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, which Christians twist to mean they should abolish the words that proceed out of the mouth of God instead of doing what Christ actually recommends? In Matthew 5:17 Christ also warns us to not even so much as think that he has come to destroy the law or the prophets which Christians twist and reinterpret as Christ coming to destroy the law and the prophets, the very opposite of what Christ warns them to do. But, notice, in Isaiah 2:1-5, it isn’t until the law goes forth from Zion that the nations of the world learn war no more. The antilaw agenda of modern Christians has never gotten anywhere remotely close to producing a global outcome of peace among the nations like that. It should compel us to ask why their approach has failed, but God’s approach of reestablishing his law gets a far better result. So, where did Christianity go wrong? Well, their woes begin by replacing Christ with Paul, not taking seriously that paul in 2Cor 12:7 admits openly that he is one who has a “messenger of Satan” in his own words, just one chapter after telling us not to marvel that Satan’s ministers are transformed into ministers of righteousness. Paul is also the one who blurts out in Acts 23:6, long after his so called conversion away from Phariseeism that he is still a Pharisee: single handedly bringing him under Christ’s warnings about Pharisees in Matthew 16 where Christ warns to beware the doctrine of Pharisees, because in Matthew 23:15 Christ is certain Pharisees like Paul make their procelites twice the child of hell than themselves, the very type of righteousness christ says we must rise above in Matthew 5:20 if we want to enterh is kingdom. How is a Pharisee like Paul who admits to having a “messenger of Satan” in 2cor 12:7 supposed to meet Christ’s requirements to enter the kingdom in Matthew 5:20? Is God really going tolet him in with his messenger of Satan? Or, when do Christians wake up and realize Paul is a boatload of trouble and the source of most of our theological problems. Because until Paul came along, no one was actively promoting this idea of changing or abandoning God’s law. But, Christians get upset when their favorite theologian Paul is found in open violation of Christ’s warnings. They don’t care that Christ has exposed Paul as a fraud. They attempt to serve Paul and Christ, but christ has already warned that a man cannot serve two masters, so what ends up happening is that every time there is a conflict between what Christ teaches and what paul teaches, they take the master they love more, namely Paul, far more seriously! When you remove Paul out of the way, what is left is a clear path to following the Good Shepherd of John 10, which is why those who are among the 144,000 who are sealed in Revelation 14 follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes, instead of following Paul and his messenger of Satan where they are leading. And this is why those who end up getting the victory in Revelation 15 also sing the song of Moses and the Lamb, not the song of Paul and his messenger of Satan which is luring people out from under the protection of god’s law in romans 6:14. You would think Christians would have taken those red flags way more seriously before following Paul out from under the protection of God’s law in Romans 6:14: a clear teaching of Paul that violates God’s warning in Isaiah 8:20, not to mention Isaiah 8:16. God’s plan is to bind up the testimony and seal his law among his disciples, not abolish his law or bring his people out from under his law like Paul teaches. Binding up the testimony to the right hand and sealing the law in our forehead is the point of binding the law to the righthand and forehead in the law of Deuteronomy 6. Those who refuse to be sealed by god’s law simply open themselves up to taking the mark of the beast in their right hand and forehead instead in Revelation 14. They aren’t even aware God warns in Zechariah 7 that they have a heart like an adamant stone, because they refuse to hear his law and the words he sent by his Spirit through his servants the prophets. God intends to help those who are willing to take his law and prophets seriously to get rid of their stony heart in Ezekiel 11 and 36. And his plan of giving us a new heart in 18 is so offensive to Christians who run after paul, because God says that for the wicked to live they must turn from all their sins. Simply spouting that we are justified by faith and saved by grace and not of works isn’t going to cut it. That’s not how god recommends that he is helping us create a new heart and Spirit in us in Ezekiel 18. A new heart comes from genuine repentance and turning from all our sins, because rejecting God’s law, his prophets and holding on to our sin rebellion is what cements our stony heart into place. In Isaiah 30, God has Isaiah write a book to explain that this forever rebellion his people are engaged in is again centered around their refusal to want to hear is law, how they want the prophets to tell them lies and smooth things and how ultimately their goal is to cause the Most High to cease from before them. But, God has designed an incredible solution to this problem in Isaiah 24:6. Because they are transgressing his law, changing is ordinance and breaking his everlasting covenant, God will simply allow the curse to devour the earth, the inhabitants of the earth will be burned and few men left. Wel, that is an interesting outcome, because Christ warns us in Matthew 7 that broad is the way to destruction which is the path the majority of people are choosing, but narrow is the gate which leads to life and few there are who will find it. That means the overwhelmingly popular ideas on how man is saved is not where you will find the gate to life. Instead, Christ in his final message to the world in Revelation 22:12-14 says that he is coming to reward everyman as his works shall be, the very opposite of what the vast majority of Christians today teach. He says that blessed are they who keep is commandments, for they shall have right to the tree of life and enter the gates of his city, but in verse 15 everyone else who rejected his law will be stuck outside, probably wondering why spouting ideas like “We are justified by faith alone and saved by grace and not of works” didn’t actually end up saving them when push comes to shove.
@@coreybray9834 Agree When you disagree with Paul they talk like you are rejecting the words of GOD . They quote you a verse and start saying is that not what it says . I tell them You can not take one verse alone . 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Paul was not one of the twelve but the thirteenth . It seems 90% of the misunderstandings is from Paul’s writings. Jesus changed no laws nor added to them . What I can see is he came to clarify only .
@@jimharmon2300 @jimharmon2300 2 days ago @coreybray9834 Agree When you disagree with Paul they talk like you are rejecting the words of GOD . *You are merely rejecting the words of their god Paul, not the words of the living God though! At least, that is how I tend to view it. Well, it was Paul who blurts out he was still a Pharisee in Acts 23:6, and Christ warns us in Matthew 16 to beware the doctrine of the Pharisees, because in Matthew 23:15 Christ believes Pharisees make their procelites twice the child of hell than themselves, and that our righteousness needs to be above that of Pharisees like Paul in Matthew 5:20 if we have any hope of actually making it into the kingdom. So, if they want to follow a Pharisee like Paul and not make it into the kingdom of God, because they care nothing for Christ’s warnings and teachings, I just let them have their heart’s desire. If Christianity was doing such a great job of understanding things, you have to ask why it is that God has to call his people out of Babylon in Revelation 18:4 before this is all over. Didn’t Christ warn us that broad is the way to destruction and many there be who go down that path, but it is really the very few who find the gate to life in Matthew 7? I mean, the popular ideas of Paul in Christianity about salvation are the broad path of destruction, because you are taught by Paul to abandone the law for lawless spiritual anarchy born of his ideas of cheap grace, but God in Isaiah 8:16 says rather to bind up the testimony and seal the law among his disciples, not trash his law like the paulites do. Binding the law to the right hand and forehead from Deuteronomy 6 is how we are sealed, protecting us from receiving the mark of the beast in our right hand and forehead in Revelation 14. Christ tells us after the cross that if we want to have access to the tree of life in Revelation 22:12-14 that he is only offering that reward to those blessed for doing the commandments, not rejecting his law. I wonder how those who think grace saves them rather than commandment keeping are going to remain alive if they have no access to the tree of life? God has Isaiah write a book about those who commit this forever rebellion in Isaiah 30. They won’t hear the law, they don’t want to hear right things from the prophets and they want the Most High to cease from before them. Strangely, Not hearing the law and prophets is what God defines to be the condition of a heart like an adamant stone in Zechariah 7, and God is trying to prepare those who will still hear his law and prophets to remove their stony heart in Ezekiel 11 and 36, by teaching them how to create in them a new heart and a new spirit by way of his advice in Ezekiel 18: the very Advice, Christians today would have a coronary over if god himself walked into their churches and tried to explain to them what Ezekiel 18 is asking them to do to avoid dying. Paul also admits to having a “messenger of Satan” in 2Cor 12:7 just one chapter after he tells us not to marvel that Satan’s ministers are transformed into ministers of righteousness. But, those who get the victory and stand on the sea of glass aren’t found singing the song of Paul and his messenger of Satan, but instead they sing the song of Moses and the Lamb (who just so happen to be the two prophets of Deuteronomy 18). So, I have no use for that Pharisee Paul or his messenger of Satan he couldn’t get rid of in 2Cor 12:7-10, because if he were a true apostle like those Christ chose in Luke 9:1, he shouldn’t have been having any trouble there getting rid of his messenger of Satan. Christ gave all his true apostles power over all devils, not just a few. But, Paul was lying about being an apostle too. And if God’s grace was sufficient for Paul by not taking away his messenger of Satan as was the excuse paul made, we have to wonder if Paul’s ideas of grace are worth muchif they even left him high and dry. Because real grace was not peddled as an alternative to the law in the Old Testament, but as an idea that worked in conjunction with the law properly. Faith wasn’t a competitor to the law either until Paul got his hands on it, but christ in Matthew 23 says faith is a weightier matter of the law, not something separate from the law. So, I believe God allowed Paul to infiltrate Christianity to test us to see if we were paying attention, because God in Deuteronomy 13 warned us well in advance that he would send in false prophets and such to test to see if we love him or if we will follow liars away from the worship of the Most High. Because it is Paul who insists we are no longer under the law in Romans 6:14, but god judged long ago in Isaiah 8:20 that there is no light in people like Paul who speak contrary to the law and the testimony, but christ is the light of the world in John 1, because his gospel is a complement to the law.* Jim: They quote you a verse and start saying is that not what it says . I tell them You can not take one verse alone . 2 Peter 1:20 (KJV) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Paul was not one of the twelve but the thirteenth . *Revelation 21 only recognizes twelve apostles of the Lamb, likely because in Matthew 19 there are only twelve seats in the regeneration designated for the twelve real apostles to rule with Christ over the twelve tribes, why would there everneed to be thirteen just to accomidate a Pharisee with a messenger of Satan like Paul??? Paul can claim he is an apostle all he likes, but christ never claims he was an apostle anywhere in Scripture, and Paul never went through any formal process like Matthias with the other apostles in Acts 1. The only way they could replace Judas was because of a prophetic Psalm that mentioned it, Psalms 109 if memory serves me. An apostle, according to Acts 1, had to be a person who was with Christ as a witness of his ministry, and Paul in 1Corrinthians 15 admits he was late to that party, one born out of due season, so he didn’t even know that he disqualified himself from being an apostle. And Paul is the only one claiming to be an apostle I am aware of that the ephesians, and all in Asia according to Paul himself when writing to Timothy, finally rejected. But, what is curious is that Christ comes back to the church of Ephesus in his message in Revelation 2, and praises them for trying those who say they are apostles and are not, but are found to be liars. I have begged people to point to others claiming to be apostles throughout history that the Ephesians rejected, and have yet to find anyone who can point out anyone else other than Paul claiming to be an apostle that the church of Ephesus rejected. Christ also tells the church of Ephesus to repent and DO THE FIRST WORKS, Paul told Ephesus in Ephesians 2:8-9 that they were saved by grace through faith and NOT OF WORKS! But, Christ’s warning to Ephesus said he would remove their candlestick if they didn’t repent and return to works, so again christ openly attack’s Paul’s ideas of how man is saved, reminding us that our works matter.*
@@jimharmon2300 Jim: It seems 90% of the misunderstandings is from Paul’s writings. *Absolutely! When Paul couldn’t figure out how to murder Christians so easily from the outside, I believe he conjured up a false conversion story to fake his way in among the believers of Christ to do as much subtle damage to the theology as he could. But, his conversion story has issues. The bright light that blinds him in Acts 9, but not in the version in Acts 26, says he is Jesus, but Paul couldn’t really see who he was speaking with. But, Paul reminds us in 2cor 11 that Satan can appear as a being of light. So, who really thought up this idea of bringing a murderous Pharisee inside Christianity, christ or Satan? Luke wrote Acts, but Luke was not an eye witness to Paul’s conversion. Paul didn’t meet Luke until well after the first church council many years later. So, Paul could have told Luke anything he wanted, and Luke wouldn’t have known any different. And know one knows if Ananias in Acts 9 really existed, but there is another Ananias in Acts 23 that paul bows to the authority of who became the High Priest. Was this one of Paul’s friends who wrote letters to help him round up believers in Christ back in the opening verses of chapter 9 and 22 helping him put a bogas story together to infiltrate Christianity? It sure leaves one to wonder. And how did the bright light that claims to be jesus in Paul’s conversion story violate Christ’s prophecies of his second coming to come back before Christ’s second coming? Paul and a few people we don’t know sees Christ return, but when Christ returns the second time isn’t every eye supposed to see that event, or am I just crazy???* Jim: Jesus changed no laws nor added to them . What I can see is he came to clarify only . *I think god has blessed you greatly that you are able to see that, because Christianity has become like some kind of Zombieland where people are helplessly attracted to Paul, and I’ve been trying to figure out why for years. I for one didn’t join Christianity to follow a Pharisee with a messenger of Satan like him. I find the Good Shepherd of John 10 and the lamb of Revelation 14 are a much better choice of someone to follow than Paul. When Paul gave in to double predestination in Romans 9, I knew immediately he wasn’t serious, nor a friend of God or the Christian people. Because if man were predestined, then Paul’s ideas of faith also go flying out the window. What would a person need faith for if God is predestining People to be vessles of glory and vessels fitted for destruction? And when Paul backs himself into a corner in Romans 9 and snaps at his reder because he doesn’t have an honest, intelligent answer to the problem he found with his own nonsense, I just lost all respect for the guy in that moment. What I really like is that James 2:17 accuses Paul of teaching dead faith in Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9. It seems that James came to a point where he realized Paul was a problem too. I am imagining Acts 21 was the straw that broke the perverbial camel’s back where James is concerned. First Paul rejects a warning from those speaking by the Holy spirit to not go up to Jerusalem, and that had to be the readers first clue that Paul was getting himself in trouble, but Paul was sure he had a better idea than the Holy Spirit. Then he gets to Jerusalem and James tries to help him out and gets him to do a Nazzarite vow, which would have involved doing a sacrifice, and Paul doesn’t say a word about not being justified by the works of the law? Did he forget that he warned that those justified by doing the works of the law in Galatians 5 have fallen from grace according to Paul? I mean, the guy is just a trainwreck all around. God bless you, Jim, and may he make his face to shine upon you.
@@coreybray9834 Good to hear someone with some good words . Few and far between. Most I hear is labeling , name calling and how I am an Antichrist. We were warned about Paul’s writings. May GOD bless .
The tradition given by Moses is a wonderful way to show Jewish love of God. Being a gentile and not Jewish I would consider it a grievous act of cultural appropriation were I to follow the Jewish traditions. They were given to the children of Israel by God through Moses. And they belong to the Jewish people.
Oh my, do you not know the differences between mans traditions and Thy Torah. It was Our Messiahs calling out of.mans Traditions that Got Him Murder! YAHisrael, is thy Ones labled as "HIS PEOPLES" and its a Name "You Have To Wrestle with" Spiritual as Jacob did in thy flesh, through Messiahs Teachings, To be One/echad is to be Come One of "HIS PEOPLES".
@@6969smurfy I was referring to the Torah given to the Children of Israel by God through Moses. They are no longer Law. They are now tradition. A wonderful way to show Jewish love for God. All sovereign authority is now invested in the King. And no one or anything else can be sovereign except the King.
@michaeldunigan1067 Torah includes al,l my friend, the 10 words! aka comandments And Torah aka "Good" (Tov) instructions , I'm not sure what your getting at? Torah was and is for "YAHs Peaples" aka YAHisrael/Israel (Jacob, one whom has wrestled with YAH) Halalu-YAH! : PRAISE YAH Shabbat Shalom YAH is Great!
@@6969smurfy Do you keep the Ten commandments? If you break one you break them all. The purpose of the Law of Moses is to sanctify the Messiah. The purpose of the Ten commandments is to sanctify the King. If you do not keep the Law perfectly from your heart it is of no use to you except to bring condemnation on you. And if you do not keep the Ten commandments perfectly they will only condemn you. At which time your only recourse is to believe the gospel. That we are saved by grace through faith trusting in the cross and the shed blood of Yeshua for our justification and for our redemption. Nothing added. Nothing taken away. Have a blessed day!
@@michaeldunigan1067TO focus so much on following the law they forget their salvation is based on our Messiah’s saving grace…and not their period stained rags of obedience.
Hi I understand other than Judaism, the Followers of Yahusha (be it Messianic Jews or other variants) that follows Torah knows the Law on Sacrifices had been abolish when the sinless Yahusha HaMashiach was nailed on the tree/cross. They don't follow those sacrifices practices...how they know the law exist and we should not break those law, however because Yahusha HaMashiach had cleanse our sins with His blood...we don't have to follow the portion of offering animal sacrifices... When we say we follow Torah...yes we know the law of what is right or wrong...we must not commit the sins...buy we repent, those sins were forgiven. Yahusha's blood atone not only those sins before His time on earth, but until His second return. (But note willful sins, grieving the Ruach HaQodesh, etc etc are not forgiven.)
If you dont understand sacrifice is about Shedding of the blood of the innocence. And not have remorse. stop teaching agaist it. Your/our sacrifice is required daily. Think about this way.Every time we sin we are shedding His blood all over again.
I agree it cannot be both, Michael. And I don't believe observing those shadows is a blatant rejection of the sufficiency of Christ’ sacrifice. Unless, of course, one keeps them because they believe they are required for righteousness! But for those who keep them as cultural traditions or as a means to share the gospel, I don't see the problem. That's exactly what Paul did (1 Cor. 9:19-23). Blessings, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots I agree that the demonstration of how these shadows work and who they pointed to are a means of sharing the gospel, but to actually sacrifice or abstain from work on the actual day of the feasts is unprofitable. Paul said in Galatians 5:2 that if one becomes circumcised according to the ceremonial ordinance, Christ would be of no value to them, so actual circumcision or actual animal sacrifice or actual abstinence of working on a feast day for the purpose of demonstrating the gospel is unprofitable.
Rob, I have told you before the Cross is not part of the temple polity, his blood was not taken to the Mercy Seat. Because the Mercy Seat is in heaven. Biblical understanding?
That is exactly what the Christ did, placed His blood on the Mercy seat in Heaven. That is why He told Mary not to touch Him until He had ascended to Heaven, He knew what must be done to fulfill all Righteousness. Only after that could He be touched. Blessings to you. ✝️🙏🏼💟
@@ShroudedinLove This not a physical fact, it is by faith in his blood, things unseen. But not at the Cross as it was only a change in covenant at the Cross, after it is matter of judgement by Christ if he sprinkles his blood on the Mercy Seat, metaphorical of course, as it is about the grace and mercy of forgiveness. This is where Christianity has it wrong, and has many theories of atonement at the Cross, but the truth is all judgement was passed to Jesus to judge us as we die.
"He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption." (Heb. 9:12)
@@6969smurfy It is by faith in his blood, it is symbolic, the Temple polity was a shadow of good things to come. The Mercy Seat is Jesus sitting at the right hand of God as our Judge.
In Paul-ianity - Paul's letter are the only one speaking against the law...in all of the '66' - So either all the otheer authors are wrong about the law, or Paul is or..... you might have misunderstood Paul [as peter mentions] Wait till you find out about the deutero-pauline letters
I have a request. Could you possibly comment on a rain country video for me? She's a honesteader, and is a torah followers. She spoke of her faith recently, and I challenged her beliefs. I asked her specifics, but she would not even read my posts. Instead, I was attacked by her and others, and she is leading people astray. I considered using my husband's phone to comment, but that would be lying. She uses tassels in her hair, which I would think would be against Torah, and at the top of her skirts, which is also against Torah. They homestead in a small town so you know she isn't following Torah farming commands if not mixing seeds in a field and my guess is she doesn't give first fruits to the leader of the church they attend or let the land rest every 7 years. We let our land rest and share first fruits when we can, and we are not Torah observant but consider it a good practice. I refuted her beliefs with verses from the epistles about no longer needing to follow the law, but she removed that comment. I would like to see at least one person defend the fact that Torah is no longer applicable for today for Christians.
Torah believers can not work with the gospel. Jesus said if you put new wine in old bottles, they will break and the wine waste. New wine must be poured in new bottles, and the wine will preserve Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father but by me Torah believers fallow the levitical priesthood who has lost their identity and the Ark of the covenant and the temple destroyed any one who is following in that path is like a blind man who can't see where he is heading to Jesus said i am the light of the world and he that falloweth me shall not walk in darkness but will have the light of life
Oh yea, you've put words in my mouth and try to put stumbling block in my way. You speak baby talk, because you was reborn but have Never grown out of infancy. Non of your statements Have the Right Heart in Them. For you don't know the Heart. 1 tim 1:5 Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith, Duet 30 10 if you OBEY the Adonai/LORD your YAH/God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the .Torah/Law and turn to the Adonai/LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL. Proverbs 3 3 Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART. 2 cor 3 3 And you show that you are a letter from Messiah/Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living YAH/God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS. Psalms 95 10-11 For forty years I was angry with that generation, and I said, “They are a people whose HEARTS go astray, and they have not known My ways. Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God. Jer 31 33 But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Adonai/Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their YAH/God, and they shall be MY PEOPLES ie YAHisrael. Hebrews 8 7-13 Hebrews 10 16 This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Adonai/Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.” Daniel 7 28 Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Messiah/Christ, doing the WILL of YAH/God from the HEART, Isaiah 56 6-7 And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the Adonai/LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the Adonai/LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP THE SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT - these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.” ~Now you.can understand~ Jeremiah 17-5 Thus says the Adonai/LORD: “Cursed is the man who "TRUST IN MAN" And makes flesh his strength, Whose HEART departs from the Adonai/LORD. Rev 12-17 00 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God, and have the TESTIMONY of YAHshua Humasheoc/Jesus Christ” Rev 14 12 Here is the patience of the Kadosh/qaddish/saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God and the faith of YAHshua/Jesus Rev 22 14 Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES. ECC 12 13 When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR YAH/GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
Jesus said it in parables if you sew new cloth to old the rend will be worse your responses show that you are not able to distinguish the old from the new Jesus is the new priest that comes through the tribe of Judah he says John is the end of the law and the prophets the new commandments is contained in the gospel Jesus said there is no other way to enter into his kingdom he said the gospel must be preach to the lost sheeps of the house of Israel meaning the Torah believers The gospel says repent and believe thou shall be saved there is no forgiveness for sin in the Torah. A sacrifice has to be made along with a charge every time you sin and only the levites tribe is permitted by God to minister in the execution of these services but where are they @6969smurfy
@@tbishop4961 no, not much, i do not follow Man but Thy word it self, soumds like just a man that knew Greek religions that made a vengeful God, so they say? But Greeks did that, like the Dante's infernal Greek hell, God Loki's Daughter queen of thy Damned. All taught through the High Jack Hebrew scriptures they took and converted to the Latin language.
Still you mixed the Kosher and what is Biblical food laws said. Kosher in Talmud based on Torah. Talmud is a rabbinic overkill the Torah. Same what Christians do denied Torah. This whole thing is messed up. I listen but I read because everyone misinterpreting the Bible. Jews and Christians. READ THE BIBLE. PraysYAH
Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:19 he days circumcision is nothing and uncircumsion is nothing but keeping the commandments is what matter Jesus says in Matthew 5:18
Galatians 5 VS Ezekiel 44 If you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you; Everyone who lets himself be circumcised, is forced to obey the entire law!; You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ! 44:9 Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter into my sanctuary.
@@TheBiblicalRoots Let me answer you to the best of my biblical ability, there were sin offerings during the first and second temple and it will also be in the future temple literally, These are not my words. This is what is told by the prophets in the Tanakh, and you just have to deal with it. There is no way around it. That's why i believe that the book of Hebrews is plainly false. How do you defend the contradiction between the book of Hebrews and the prophets of Tanakh?
@@Leon-jp7ch Hi, Leon. Respectfully, if you choose to believe the parts of the Bible that you agree with, and reject the parts that you don't, it's not the Bible you believe but yourself. RLS
You are misunderstanding the btn the Moral Law (10 commandments)and ceremonial laws .the Moral Law they are the ones which in Matthew 5:19 talks, you honor your father and your mother,you don't kill, you don't steal,you do have no other gods apart from God
Hmmmm, I've never argued it that way. One of the things they like to say is "God never changes," to which I say "well God can change how He relates to us." They usually give me that, but then say "But God still hates pork." By the way, I'm close to Nasvhille and I'd love to take you to lunch as an appreciation. I went through your website's "Contact Me" portion and have yet to receive a response, so I thought I might reach out here. I understand things can get busy.
I didn't need to listen to more than two minutes before I realized it was just based on your incorrect view of what Hebrews believe on the subject. You just pander to your followers who havent taken the time to understand the argument any better then you, but they see you as an authority. See, the problem with your insistence that the sacrifice of animals are an integral component of Torah is without merit and ignores many passages not only in Torah itself but the prophets as well as the right side of the book.
@@vernmiroth1626 Please lay out how "sacrifice of animals" is not an integral component. I would argue that it is as you see multiple, entire sections of scripture describe sacrifices and how they were to atone for sin and such. That seems pretty integral. Any further conversation would require addressing that claim of yours. Also, I assume you more meant this toward Brother Solberg and not me specifically, since you mentioned "pander to your followers."
@@josephlarrew yes, my apologies. I didn't mean to post this as a reply to you. I will repost it as a regular comment but,,for starters I would direct you to Jeremiah 7, Malachi 2 and Galatians 3
Yes, they love to use that argument. As a parent, I can say that I have changed some rules or “commandments” for my kids as they’ve grown, but not those that relate to my morals and values. My character has never changed, though I may change bed time rules, or chores, etc. These people don’t seem to know the difference between types of commandments.
If anyone of you really want Truth you have to search for it, advice dont go to church, they have some of the truth, but half the truth is still a lie 💯📖 facts are that the Torah is part of the new covenant, look up Jeremiah 31:33 in the Hebrew, book of Hebrews quotes that very scripture, Messiah himself said heaven and earth would pass before anything perished from the Torah Mathew 5:17-20, Messiah kept the Torah perfectly and said follow Me i have laid before you the perfect example, sadly people want to take away from the Father's perfect Torah, dont fall for it, NO ONE has the authority to do so , not even the Son that's why he said I do nothing of myself, of course we don't keep the Torah to earn salvation, it is the Father's instructions and will for our lives, we can only be justified through the Blood of Messiah Yeshua , but do we continue in sin that grace may abound GOD FORBID Romans 6:1-2, do we make void the Torah through faith GOD FORBID we ESTABLISH the Torah Romans 3:31, the whole point of the Torah is to point out sin, if you get rid of it we no longer are aware of these sins the Torah points out, may YAH bless you all 🙏💯♥️☝️📖
At first I felt RL was attacking Hebrew roots but he’s actually pretty fair and he even if I don’t think his arguments are always valid he certainly doesn’t run away from an argument and ultimately he’s testing scripture which is biblical.I disagree but I’m a fan of him and a fan of debates. Ps saying animal sacrifices are required for sin does not nullify the cross. We have to read our entire Bible to understand it(Old and New Testament ) all throughout the Old Testament. We see the father telling the children of Israel that their sacrifices are not enough, and that the sacrifices of someone who is constantly sinning is detestable to him Jesus came to die because our sacrifice was not enough. He came to bring the hearts of his children back to their fathers(Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who were all known for their faith and their personal relationships with the father rather than the bureaucracy and traditions of the state) in fact most of the deciples would have continued to engage in sacrifices since we know they were heavily engaged in the community and even are noted in the Bible for going to the feasts and food laws after the death of Yeshua to claim sacrifices are unnecessary is essentially to claim greater understanding than the apostles.
Sacrifice is a legal provision for an unintentional crime. I prefer the use of the word "crime" instead of "sin", because it helps bring this situation in its correct context. Ancient Israel was a theocratic government and the Torah served as its constitution. Therefore, if the Israelite citizen were to unintentionally break a commandment, it would not only constitute a "sin" but it would represent a legal violation, i.e. a crime. Israel entered into the Covenant, through blood. The implication of this procedure is that should they break the Torah, it would warrant their immediate death. Therefore, when an Israelite committed a crime by breaking the Torah, they would essentially incur the death penalty. This record of a crime being committed, and the punishment that such an action warrants, is legally placed on the "Nefesh" (the body) of the guilty. Sacrifice was the method the Torah provides for the Israelite to remove the record of a crime from their "Nefesh" thereby removing the death penalty and restoring their legal status. After sacrifice, the Israelite returns to a legal blank slate. All of this is happening on the level of legal fiction. Nothing regarding "sin" is actually being dealt with, in the way we typically think of "sin". The Torah dealt with crime and provided methods of removing the record of crime. Yes, sin made the Israelite inclined towards crime, but all the Torah can monitor and regulate, is crime - not sin. Once the record of a crime is removed, it does not remove sin from the heart of the Israelite. The Israelite, still under sin and therefore imperfect, will inevitably struggle with their nature and come to commit a crime once again, either intentionally or unintentionally. While animals were sacrificed for crime, Jesus died for our SIN. Seen in this light, when Jesus comes back, and when the theocratic nation of Israel is restored, I do not see a conflict between the presence of Jesus in their midst, and the return of sacrifice. During the millennial reign, the Israelites who haven't been raised to life, or granted perfect immortal bodies (those who didn't take part in the first resurrection) will still occupy imperfect bodies subject to a sin nature, and intentional or unintentional crime will still be committed. If crime is still a possibility, so too, is the need for legal provision to handle that crime. Here's another way to understand the differentiation. Imagine if a Christian speeds past a red traffic light. This is clearly illegal. But is it a sin? Well, it can be. For example, if a Christian were deliberately careless and intentionally decided to speed through a red light, by doing so, that Christian is putting themselves, and others in danger. Rather than loving their neighbor, they are putting the safety of their neighbor at risk. This is indeed a sin. While Jesus died for our sins, this does nothing to free us of our obligation to deal with the terrestrial legal consequences for breaking traffic laws and putting others at risk. To amend your statement at the beginning, we don't sacrifice because the temple is not present, because Israel is not a theocratic nation using the Torah as its law, and because we are not citizens. If the Temple were rebuilt, and if Israel returned to a theocratic form of government to enforce the Torah, and if a Christian became a citizen of this government, well then, they would be engaging in sacrifice because this is what the Torah would require of them. In the same way, we do certain things, or comply to certain rules, such acquiring a driver's license before driving, in order to avoid breaking the law of the government in which we are under. Since the Torah was intended as the law that would govern the physical nation of Israel, it isn't appropriate to think that it applies to the Christian gentile, unless that Christian believes he is a legal citizen of the nation of Israel.
If you use the Word Crime, as Sin, that's brings the thought of Law into mind, I believe the word Law as used by the ignorant ones that do not Grasp the True intention of Torah, not to be done over a legalistic structure. But from Thy Heart. As you.meantioned. Shabbot Shalom brother.
@iansmith9474 sorry Ian but that is religion talk. Follow HIM. Find the Heart Matter. tim 1:5 Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith, Duet 30 10 if you OBEY the Adonai/LORD your YAH/God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the .Torah/Law and turn to the Adonai/LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL. Proverbs 3 3 Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART. 2 cor 3 3 And you show that you are a letter from Messiah/Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living YAH/God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS. Psalms 95 10-11 For forty years I was angry with that generation, and I said, “They are a people whose HEARTS go astray, and they have not known My ways. Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God. Jer 31 33 But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Adonai/Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their YAH/God, and they shall be MY PEOPLES ie YAHisrael. Hebrews 8 7-13 Hebrews 10 16 This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Adonai/Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.” Daniel 7 28 Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Messiah/Christ, doing the WILL of YAH/God from the HEART, Isaiah 56 6-7 And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the Adonai/LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the Adonai/LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP THE SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT - these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.” ~Now you.can understand~ Jeremiah 17-5 Thus says the Adonai/LORD: “Cursed is the man who "TRUST IN MAN" And makes flesh his strength, Whose HEART departs from the Adonai/LORD. Rev 12-17 00 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God, and have the TESTIMONY of YAHshua Humasheoc/Jesus Christ” Rev 14 12 Here is the patience of the Kadosh/qaddish/saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God and the faith of YAHshua/Jesus Rev 22 14 Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES. ECC 12 13 When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR YAH/GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
My answer is yes. Sin sacrifices are required for temple worship. In Hebrews 9:9-10 it says that the washing do not perfect the conscience of the worshipper. So you asked what does Christ sacrifice accomplish. It perfects the conscience of the worshipper. Temple sacrifices deal with regulations for the body(flesh) until the time of reformation, that is the resurrection IMO. A couple of verses to think about. After the resurrections Paul made sin sacrifices at least once and intended to do so a second time before getting arrested. Consider: acts 18:18. Paul had his head shaved/shorn/cut because of a vow. The only vow that requires the head to be shaved that I know of is the nazirite vow. He also outrightly took the nazirite vow in acts 24:23-24 to specifically show that he himself “lived in observance of the law”. A nazirite vow requires a sin sacrifice among others. Also consider that when the high priest struck Paul, Paul called him a whitewashed wall. When it was pointed out that he was a high priest, Paul backed off saying we wouldn’t have spoken evil of a regular of his people. Priests were valid to Paul after the resurrection. And another thing to consider is Hebrews 8:4. Of Christ were on earth he would not be Priest at all because there are priests that offer gifts according to the law”. The priesthood is valid because the temple was still standing. Until all is accomplished. That was your answer about Matt 5:18. I can only assume you mean that Jesus said it is finished on the cross. All is not accomplished just because he said it is finished. Accomplished and finished are different words in the Greek. Accomplished is ginomai and finished is teleo. Accomplished matched rev 21:1-6 specifically verse six where he says it is done-ginomai. This is where heaven and earth pass away. Like he says in Matt 5. If you’re saying he has already accomplished everything then why are we waiting for him to come back? He has to come back. There are still prophecies to be fulfilled in his second coming don’t you think
You must read Hebrews 10, with a focus on verse 14, and then 29. If you return to animal sacrifice to cover sin, then you are profaning the blood of the Lord. Jesus said "it is FINISHED" before He gave up His Spirit on the cross. It is finished. I pray that you understand the Gospel that saves and the shed blood that redeems. Without it, you are lost.
@@ShamelesslyRed for by a single offering he has perfected all.. are you perfect right now? Do you still sin? One day you will be perfect and not sin anymore. If you read my comment you will see that Paul sis the sin sacrifices and was advised to do them. You will see that priests offer sacrifice in the earthly temple. They are valid priests so much so that even if Christ were on earth he would not be priest at all. Chapters 8 and 9 come before chapter 10 and we just take it all into account. Are you concluding that Paul was lost? How about James who told us to do the vow offering. See numbers 6 to see all that is entailed in a nazirite vow that they told Paul to do with other new believes who were all zealous for the law.
@davelyn786 the righteousness of Christ is what perfects. It's not you at all. The shed blood of Christ cleanses and redeems. This is how those who belong to Christ are perfect now. Those who belong to Him, are seated in heavenly places NOW. You are confusing justification and sanctification. It is CHRIST ALONE that faith is found. Not in your ability to sin less than your neighbor or brother. It is the Holy Spirit that seals us and dwells with us. One must only ask themselves if they intimately know the inner witness of the Spirit. It is Christ IN US. Take your eyes of yourself and sin and live to Christ who has conquered sin, death and the grave. If you doubt this, then you live in unbelief, so sayeth the Word of God. No man will stand before God justified by keeping the law. Become a better student and stop listening to false teachers.
@@ShamelesslyRed I hear your heart. I understand what you are saying. I’m not downplaying Christs work. It is because of Christs work that we can live righteous lives. Not perfect lives though. You’re right , the spirit seals us and dwells within us. Can we not quench the spirit? The spirit is what causes us to obey and reminds us of what his word says. There will be leases in the kingdom and there will be greats in the kingdom. Some are given ten talents and do a lot with it and some are given one talent and do nothing with it. They were both servants to the one who gave it to them and one was found to be wicked because he did nothing with it. I’m not fixing my eyes on myself. I have my eyes fixed on the word of God and Christ is his word. Christ loved it our perfectly and he is our example. His commandments are a lamp and his law is light prov 6:23 (teaching in that verse is Torah in Hebrew). We ought to walk in the light and not in darkness. Sin is darkness. Do not be deceived whoever practices righteousness is righteous 1 John 3:7. To abide in Christ is to obey the commands 1 John 3:24 and the keeping the commandments is our expression of love to him John 14:15. So the lie is that you can be a believer and you don’t have to obey because Christ obeyed. The Bible teaches the exact opposite. You’re not forsaking Christ because you obey all the commands you are able to obey. If you are able to obey you should. If you are not able to obey he will not hold it against you. But one day we will walk through fire and the fire Will test the work WE have done. We get in because of Christ. He is the foundation but how are we building on that foundation? With Gold, silver, and precious stones or with wood, hay, and stubble? You will be saved and yet suffer loss 1 cor 3:11-15. I just want to be the best example and ambassador of Christ I can be here on earth and I want that for all believers.
Hehehe scholar? read this. This is you are not read correctly: "Lev 1:2 (KJV) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the Lord, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock." Why are you never read correctly. Here is for you something: "If any man" - The if is: כִּי - kî - kee! Otherwise no temple no priest but in Hebrews 6,7,8 telling you Yeshua become the high priest, also you forget the spiritual sacrifice, means pray, and keep the law from your heart. Otherwise not all Laws and prophet was fulfilled by Yeshua that time. 2nd coming and more still remaining. One more thing. Do you think way better celebrate Easter than Passover? Easter is in the Bible? Do you readied what God said: "Deut 12;29-32 When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it." I think Im done with you. God Bless PraysYAH
If nothing else, the Father proved his faithfulness through death and resurrection. Now people make their own stories, based on their twisting of scripture. Teaching the breaking of law is condemned many places in scripture.
Christ did not come to do away with the law, he fulfilled it giving it more purpose. The apostate teachers say he did do away with it--Christ is the way(Torah), so we are not to reject him.
Hi, Purr View! Believe it or not, that is the actual viewpoint of 119 Ministries. Their video (which I linked to in this video description) ends with the following conclusion: "In conclusion, animal sacrifices are all about having a relationship with God on earth through the Temple service. In addition to bringing about ritual purity, they teach us about the holiness of God and also foreshadow God’s plan of redemption through Messiah. They haven’t been done away with. There’s no way to perform them right now due to the fact that there’s no Temple in Jerusalem, but they will be reestablished during the Millennial Reign." Shalom, RLS
both parties are confused. All isn’t fulfilled… it’s prophecies about Yah second coming, which obviously hasn’t happened yet. Also heaven an earth hasn’t passed yet, obviously. A lot of people get hung up on the “until ALL is accomplished” part. All will eventually be accomplished, but that doesn’t mean all at one time. Yah is the only sacrifice we need, but what’s the point of the sacrifice or the reason for the sacrifice? you guys get so caught up in the physical aspect of the law that y’all forget the spiritual aspect of it, because the law is spiritual. Christ is our sacrifice forever, so the law or the need for sacrifices is still here, (we repent daily and need that blood, also new ppl coming to Yah need the blood as well ) the point of the law is the sacrifice… because if the law is gone away there’s no point of Christ. We need Christ to fulfill that part of the law. No jot or title is removed from the sacrificial law… that law requires a sacrifice Christ is that sacrifice forever.
Your first option is a bust, because to suggest the sacrificial portion of the law was done away with would be an utter denial of what Christ is teaching in Matthew 5:18-especially in light of the fact that heaven and earth does not pass away until well into our future according to Revelation 21:1. Furthermore, Christ warns us in verse 17 to not even think that he has come to destroy the law which is a further provision you skipped over here as you chose to think he came to destroy the law-at least in part. But, Christ didn’t disturb a single jot or tittle of the law at his first coming. If he had, he would have been an imperfect sacrifice with no light in him according to Isaiah 8:20, another provision you conveniently skipped over here. And if we focus on the phrase “until all is accomplished” as you suggest, we know perfectly well all was not accomplished at Christ’s first coming. For example, and this is by no means exhaustive: None of the fall feasts of Leviticus 23 were fulfilled back at Christ’s first coming. Only the Spring feasts up through Pentecost in Acts 2 was fulfilled at Christ’s first coming, leaving Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles to be fulfilled at or around the time of his second coming (thus giving more weight to the discussion raised in Zechariah 14 of why everyone is being required to keep Tabernacles after Christ returns). And it would be trivial to demonstrate other portions of the law which have yet to be fulfilled-especially the gathering of the people promised in Deuteronomy 30 which Christ himself admits in Matthew 23 he was not able to accomplish back at his first coming, but points forward to occur at his second coming in Matthew 24: a task he hands over to his angels to gather the people from one end of heaven to the other.
Please stop sending people to the lake of fire forever and ever. The parable of lazar and the rich man in luke 16 says that because the rich man mistreated lazar, instead of hearing mosheh and the prophets, he went to hell, and even if someone rises from the dead and warns people about hell, they still will not repent, if they will not hear mosheh and the prophets. The new covenant standard of repentance is mosheh and the prophets. Mosheh and the prophets teach us how to treat others how the bible says to treat them. The gospels say that however you treat the least of these, you treat yeshua, and that will decide if you go to heaven or the lake of fire forever and ever. 2 peter 3:14-18 in the Syriac Aramaic says that if we are deceived by those who are outside the law, we can lose our souls and go to hell. Peter wrote this after Paul's writings and told us that those who bend and twist Paul's writings and the rest of the bible are called the deceivers who are outside the law. Acts 6:13-14 identifies those who teach that yeshua or his disciple changed the law of mosheh, are false witnesses. Acts 25 & 24 state that paul denied ever teaching against the law of mosheh and circumcision. You read the Pauline paradox, so you know that the dogma was abolished on the cross, not the law. But your book said that the law is abolished. That is not the word used in the bible. Zephaniah 3:1-5 identifies false prophets and wolves as those who trample and do not follow the law of mosheh. Matthew 7:13-15 warns us about the wide way to hell and the wolves. You teach mainstream theologies invented by the catholic church. Not a narrow strict path that leads to life. You taught that the way is wide, a wide swath of grace.
You have a serious unresolved problem here. You have made the case in the writings of Paul and the unknown author of Hebrews that Christ has died once for all for sins, and there is no more offering for sins. Yet, for some strange reason, man is still dying off for nearly 2,000-years after the fact. Why? If Christ has fully atoned for our sins, why would we need to continue to needlessly die for sins which are fully atoned for??? Do you think god just enjoys watching us suffer and squirm or is it possible you are not telling us the whole truth here? So, it’s not just 119 Ministries that is forced into the corner here of being the only ones needing to explain why Christ went to the cross. Your own explanaition leaves a lot to be desired on that front as well. Secondly, you are at least partly right in your idea that the sacrificial system ceased at the cross, because Daniel 9:24-26 clearly indicates that when Messiah is cut off the sacrifice and oblation would cease. Unfortunately for your view, Daniel is not the only prophet that had something to say along these lines. In Ezekiel 37, God has made it clear that when he restores the Davidic kingdom he will once again place his sanctuary in the midst of his people. Thus, as we might expect, another earthly sanctuary will be introduced when Christ returns. And Ezekiel 40-48 goes into 9 chapters worth of details as to what will happen when that time comes. Also, Ezekiel 44 and Jeremiah 33 remind us that God has not forgotten his salt covenant of Numbers 18 with the Levites, and we find in these end time prophecies that the Levitical order will be reinstated in its priestly function in the coming temple under the restored Davidic kingdom. Ezekiel 40-48, Jeremiah 33 and Zechariah 14 also point forward to future animal sacrifices being made in the coming Davidic kingdom. That would appear to suggest that the ceasing of the sacrifices and oblations prophecied to occur at the cross in Daniel 9:24-26 was at most a temporary halting of the sacrificial system here on earth, seeing we have no earthly temple today, not an utter abolishment of the sacrificial system. And if you argue that the questionis not simply that we can’t physically carry out the sacrifices today, but that God doesn’t want us doing that anymore, the fact that God is the one prophecying of his intentions of bringing the sacrifices back really calls your logic into question here. But, let’s consider the history of the matter for a moment. And this was not new in Christ’s day either, because Israel had already gone through a time back in Nebuchadnezzar’s days when the temple was destroyed, and the sacrificial system was halted at that time as well. But, the moment the temple was rebuilt the sacrificial system resumed. And even earlier than that in 2Chronicles 29 the temple was out of use for a time back then as well during its pollution, and it would have been unlawful to reinstitute temple services until after the temple was purified of the pollution brought into it. So, we know that God is aware that when the temple is polluted or there is no temple, the portions of the law associated with earthly sacrifices requiring an earthly sanctuary would be difficult to comply with. But, the moment God introduces his sanctuary in our midst again, every indication is given in prophecy to suggest that animal sacrifices are returning in our not so distant future. But, even before then, we find that certain torah sanctuary protocols are clearly being carried out in the heavenly sanctuary, such as in the case of the offering up of the incense with the golden censor on the golden altar in Revelation 8, or Christ presenting himself as a slain lamb in Revelation 5, or the smoke filling the sanctuary in heaven as on the day of atonement in Revelation 15-16 and so on. What would heaven need a golden altar for, or a golden censor, for example, unless the sacrificial laws pertaining to the sanctuary originated in the heavenly model after which Moses made a copy of the earthly sanctuary in Sinai? Sorry, but the law was never done away with, and the sacrificial system never was brought to a true end. The law is simply presently operating under the more original heavenly sanctuary model and Christ is personally representing the sacrifice as in Revelation 5 presently, standing before his Father as a slain Lamb in perfect compliance with the law, presenting his blood on our behalf. So, could it be the real reason why the sacrifices are temporarily halted is because Christ is presently representing those sacrifices during this second major temple era in prophecy, being he is both the sacrifice and the High Priest, but eventually he steps out from between God and man to return to earth to make war in Isaiah 59, Zechariah 14 and Revelation 19, bringing us back under yet another third temple era in the coming Davidic kingdom where animal sacrifices are resumed. In fact, even Christ is portrayed as the prince over the Levites in Ezekiel 44-46 who also engages in performing animal sacrifices. But, here is the question that Christians aren’t asking that is so critical. If Christ fully atoned for our sins back at the cross, why would the author of Hebrews imagine Christ needs to become a High Priest after the fact to ever live to make intercession for us in Hebrews 7:25? Why would he need to everlive to make intercession for us for sins which are already completely atoned for? The only way his intercession after the fact is going to work is if you shift to the argument of suggesting that either no actual atonement was made on the cross, or only a partial atonement took place on the cross. The four gospels claim Christ died during Passover, not on the final day of atonement. And when a sacrifice is being killed and its blood is used for atonement purposes, it must be used on the altar for that purpose according to God in Leviticus 17. But, the blood of the Passover Lamb is never instructed to be used on the altar to make atonement. When the original Passover instruction was given in Exodus 12, there was no sanctuary or altar back in Egypt for Israel to make an atonement with the blood on. Instead, they put the blood on the door of their dwellings. In like manner, we find at no time in any of the four gospels, or the broader New Testament for that matter, that Christ’s blood on Passover after his death was taken into the earthly temple and used to make an atonement on the altar there either. So, it would appear that any atonement being made by Christ comes much later, after he ascended back to his Father. And seeing that there is a final day of atonement before the judgment in Revelation 15-16, the process of atonement continues onward until the scapegoat of Leviticus 16 bears the sins of the people out of the camp to never return. Well, that has clearly never happened and is yet another portion of the law needing to be fulfilled. How do we know the sins are still in the camp, Christians are still complaining about the sin which torments them, and they are still dying because of sin, that is how we know conclusively the sin has not yet been removed from our midst to fulfill the prophetic implications of the Day of Atonement service in Leviticus 16. When the sin is removed, there is no more a causal agent of death, because the wages of sin is death. Those who are truly free of sin would also be equally free of suffering and death. And suffering and death simply did not cease after the cross. And so, it becomes evident that we are still undergoing the process of atonement which has not yet reached a point of completion. So, again, this explains why christ will not let any jots and tittles pass from the law until all has fulfilled.
Your question of why Christ had to go to the cross is really at the heart of the issue here, because how you answer that question is going to weigh heavily on how you view verses like Matthew 5:18. If God could abolish his law, then there would be no need to send Christ to the cross. God could simply abolish his law and sin itself would immediately cease to exist. Clearly, that did not happen. Alternatively, God could simply forgive a repentant sinner, but the idea of God doing that is troublesome to Christians. They prefer to view God as the merciless one and themselves as the victims in all of this, victims of his law. So, instead, they maximize God’s justice, arguing that we have offended a God of infinite justice, making God completely merciless in the process of resorting to such a description of God, ignoring that in the heart of his law is a mercy-seat. They insist his law is only there to condemn, ignoring Exodus 20:6 is a mercy clause which sits in the very heart of the ten commandments themselves. Once they get you to believe the lie that God is merciless and that nothing you can do will ever please God, because infinite justice is beyond our finite capability to satisfy, then Christians brew up this idea that a Substitute needs to be judged and punished in your place. This is where things go from morally disasterous to morally catastrophic. The once defined God of infinite justice who can’t allow any breech of justice is next portrayed by Christians as falsely charging Christ with your sins, the first violation of justice, and then putting Christ to death in cold blood to pay for your sins that everyone knows Christ did not commit, the second open violation of justice. Even the solution Christians offer up cannot satisfy the silliness of infinite justice, but they don’t care about morality or even accurate thinking, all they care about is victimizing someone else to save their own skins, because that is what wicked opportunism is truly all about. But, wait, it gets better. So, after insisting Christ is their Substitute, judged and punished in their place, destroying God’s righteous reputation as a judge because of the former two stated injustices in the process, then we find Christians living after the cross didn’t stop dying. This should be the sobering slap across the face and wake up call that something is drastically wrong. The whole point of making Christ our Substitute is so that we don’t have to die for our sins, but we continue to die anyway, suggesting quite obviously that Christ was not the Substitute we hoped he was. But, Christians don’t want to wake up to reality, so they keep insisting that Christ is their Substitute, but does it really take God nearly 2,000-years to figure out that your sins were paid for and you don’t need to die for them anymore after the fact? At some point, even the most persistant advocates of Substitutionary Atonement Theology will be forced to realize they are all wet here. God makes it exceedingly clear why in Ezekiel 18:1-4 as he points out that he will need to explain to humanity how righteous judgement actually works and why only the soul that sinneth, it shall die, not the innocent. This is the problem God intends on clearing up before this is all over with, because what Christians are suggesting is so morally repugnant and wrong it is surprising more people aren’t calling theologians and pastors out on the carpet for teaching such nonsense. Christ didn’t go to the cross to pay for anyone’s sins. God isn’t merciless either, and has always possessed the right and authority to forgive a repentant sinner, provided they actually show a willingness to repent of their sins. And God’s law was never the problem either. The fact that a mercy clause is found in his law in Exodus 20:6 is the evidence that theologians are simply lying through their teeth when they insist his law can only condemn us. Meanwhile, God is saying their refusal to hear his law is the very condition of a heart like an adamant stone in Zechariah 7, the very condition of a stony heart God is trying to remove from his true followers in Ezekiel 11 and 36. So, why did Christ really go to the cross??? To answer the question raised by the strong angel in Revelation 5 of “Who is worthy”. Because the very act of sin rebellion forces sinners, and especially the author of sin, Lucifer himself, of doubting God’s qualifications as a righteous judge. So, when Adam and Eve fell, joining Lucifer’s sin rebellion against God, this complicated matters considerably. If a sinner believed God was truly righteous, they wouldn’t hesitate to repent and acknowledge their own unrighteousness and turn back to obedience to the law of God. Sure, Christians might acknowledge their own unrighteousness, but they don’t like that part of going so far as to actually obey God’s law. That is because they are still holding on to their stony heart. To answer the questionof who is worthy in Revelation 5, Christ came to have his character tested unto death. Christ did this in submission to his Father, and instead of lashing out at his enemies who sought to murder him, he instead asked his Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. An infinitely just God could not utter those words, because those are merciful words, and infinite justice leaves no room for mercy. God, however, is capable of exhibiting both justice and mercy, depending on what the situation calls for. And the fact that he is willing to suffer a brutal death at the hands of his enemies, instead of lashing out at them with a grand display of power, shows that Christ is not compromised in his righteousness by harboring even an iota of hidden depravity in his character. Christ’s example testifies of the words of Zechariah 4:6, “Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit…” Christ didn’t overcome his enemies with might or power, but by commending his spirit into his Father’s hands out of trust, showing that despite all the power at Christ’s disposal, even when his very life is threatened he prefers to resort to a loving, merciful disposition towards his enemies instead. This is why God only resorts to the use of executive justice to destroy Lucifer and the wicked at the end of the sin controversy. Justice of such far reaching implications is a last resort for God, not something he seeks to do to make things easier or convenient for himself. And when all of heaven realized the extent of how righteous Christ truly is for enduring the cross, they broke out in a New Song in Revelation 5 declaring “Worthy is the Lamb”. And that is the primary reason why Christ went to the cross, to vindicate his own character so that when he judges the matters of the sin controversy, no one can say he is an unrighteous judge. That’s why this is a “New Song”, because until Christ went to the cross, the universe couldn’t be certain God was as righteous as he was claiming to be.
You make two errors. 1) Jesus was not an unwilling participant in his crucification. John 10:17-18 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” No one took Jesus life from him. He willingly died for you and me. 2) He died bearing our sin. Isaiah 53:5-6 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. The atoning sacrifice, the scapegoat, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Throughout the old and new testaments we find the just suffering for the unjust. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also m suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit
@@davidjoly9816 @davidjoly9816 37 minutes ago You make two errors. *You could only find two? Well, let’s see what you turned up.* 1) Jesus was not an unwilling participant in his crucification. *I didn’t take any solid position on whether or not Christ was actually willing or unwilling to die, because it isn’t all that relevant to the discussion. I know a lot of people have this idea that Christ was jumping at the opportunity to be crucified, but his willingness was a bit more nuanced than that in the gospel accounts. Before he conceded to his Father’s will in the matter, he asked his Father if it were possible to remove the cup he was about to partake of from him initially. Luk 22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luk 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. Luk 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. You don’t sweat blood when you are overly happy about doing something. You sweat blood and ask God to remove the cup when you are undergoing an amazing amount of mental anguish over having to face something you don’t really want to have to go through with. So, christ’s willingness was more out of his recognizing the necessity of the trial he came to face, not so much something he was looking forward to do with a heart filled with joy over the decision. Christ knew that if he didn’t go to the cross, it wouldn’t be possible to clear his name in light of the accusations Lucifer was raising against the members of the Godhead. Remember, Lucifer is the “accuser of the brethren” in Revelation 12 who is cast down shortly after Christ is caught up to his Father. The engagement on the cross was not to pay for sins, it was to provide the evidence that Christ was worthy to clear his name so Lucifer could be cast out of heaven in the battle that insued after Christ’s resurrection and ascention. Lucifer didn’t want to leave willingly, and so war erupted in heaven as Revelation 12 explains in rather clear detail. But, Lucifer was eventually cast into the earth. As for forgiving sins, Christ admits in Matthew 9 that he already had power to forgive sins long before going to the cross. It was one of the teachings of christ which most offended the Jews as Christ was forgiving sins left and right before the cross. Even Christians don’t really believe his claims there in Matthew 9. And by verse 13, Christ even instructs his followers to go learn what it means that he will have mercy and NOT SACRIFICE! God’s Mercy is obtained through repentance, not through sacrificing. But, Christians don’t like that idea, because they don’t really understand why sacrifices are necessary if Christ was clearly able to forgive sins. So, instead of doing as Christ asked and learning what he instructed Christians to go research in Matthew 9:13 which is a teaching derived from Hosea 6:6, Christianity instead started suggesting that a sacrifice was some kind of payment for sins. But, mercy forgives sins, it doesn’t demand a payment via a sacrifice which should have been exceedingly obvious from Exodus 20:6: the central mercy clause God stated in his law. So, let’s look at those verses you provided below.* You continue: John 10:17-18 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” No one took Jesus life from him. *If that were true, then Christ wasn’t killed, but he committed suicide on the cross. Fortunately, christ comes back and clears the air on this matter in Matthew 16 with more critical insights Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Okay, so christ knows he will be killed by others. So, there is clearly more here than initialy meets the eye in the passage you provided from John. But wait, Christ isn’t done clearing the air, he makes an even stronger statement on this matter and clarifies further who will murder him. Mat 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, Mat 20:18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, Mat 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again. But, Christ is still not finished. He even gives us a parable about how his murderers will kill him and has them explain to him how they will be punished to drive the point, before he warns them why they will lose the kingdom of heaven to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof in Matthew 21. Mat 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: Mat 21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. Mat 21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Mat 21:36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. According to their own decree, Christ tells them their punishment for murdering him, and Even Stephen characterises the matter as them murdering christ to in Acts 7. Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: So, what christ was trying to get at in the verse from John you provided is that no one could force the issue without christ’s consent and just take his life. Once Christ allowed himself to be put to death, however, that opened the door to all these other verses where Christ explains how others would in fact kill him.* You continue: He willingly died for you and me. *I have never said he was unwilling to die for us. I have expressed a disliking for the particular view of the crucifixion called Substitutionary Atonement, because it paints god as an unrighteous judge. God does not falsely charge Christ with our sins, nor does God have his own Son murdered to pay for man’s sins either. His own law would reject both those injustices which makes the whole model of Substitutionary Atonement a mockery of the very ideas of justice it pretends to uphold.
@@davidjoly9816 You continue: 2) He died bearing our sin. Isaiah 53:5-6 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. *So, all you are showing me here is a perspective god has provided of what certain people viewing the cross thought about it. That’s not the same thing as showing me God’s personal view of what god believes happened at the cross. God is not a “all we” like sheep going astray. God is righteous and does not go astray. So, this is an accurate prophecy in the sense that it is a portrait of how some viewing the cross would interpret its meaning, but that is not conclusive proof God agrees with their assessment any more than it is conclusive proof that god agrees with Lucifer’s accurately recorded perspective in Isaiah 14, or another group speaking in Isaiah 63 that god responds to and rebukes in Isaiah 64. So, using Isaiah 53 to explain what actually transpired with Christ on the cross is a bit dubious once that cat is out of the bag-especially when it comes to folks like me who are well aware that the person speaking changes later in Isaiah 53 from “we” and “our” to “I” when God starts expounding on his thoughts instead of portraying man’s thoughts above.* You continue: The atoning sacrifice, *What about it? Just saying there is an atonement sacrifice doesn’t tell us anything new. Nor does it explain why an atonement sacrifice is even needed or when it actually applies to boot, for that matter-especially in light of Matthew 9:13 where christ is offering mercy and NOT SACRIFICE to those who repent of their sins. So, I am not saying that there will never be an application of Christ’s sacrifice as an atonement, but I don’t tend to view his death on Passover as an atonement, because there is no basis for it in the Passover instruction in Exodus 12. His blood was not placed on the altar in the earthly temple, so it didn’t meet God’s stated requirement there for atonement either when employing a slain sacrifice. Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Now, you might argue, but Christmakes an atonement after his resurrection in the heavenly sanctuary, but that just proves my point that the cross itself was not an act of atonement taking place in God’s sanctuary. Atonement begins after the cross, and some time after Christ enters the heavenly sanctuary after his resurrection and ascention back to his Father and begins his Daily Ministration (symbolized by the Continual morning and evening sacrifices). And the Final Atonement won’t come until much later, because Christ only fulfilled the Spring feasts of Leviticus 23 at his first coming, ending with the outpouring of the Holy spirit on Pentecost in Acts 2. The fall feasts: trumpets, the final day of atonement and Tabernacles are all events which are fulfilled closer to the second coming. Trumpets being discussed in Revelation 8-11, the Final atonement occuring in Revelation 16 and 20, and Tabernacles after Christ returns in Zechariah 14. So, when Christians argue that all was fulfilled at the cross and atonement is completed, they are just ignoring numerous prophecies which explain they are missing the point. If the sin has left the camp of god’s people, as would be required in Leviticus 16 for a completed atonement, then how is it we are still dealing with sins and dying almost 2000-years after the cross??? There is no sin in the camp in Leviticus 16 once the scapegoat bears it out of the camp. That’s the point of atonement. It is the act that separates sin from God’s people. It is not a payment for sin. That is why the most expressive act of atonement is when the record of sin leaves the camp having been confessed by the High Priest over the head of the scapegoat. That only happens when god finally banishes Lucifer out of the camp and sends him away with the complete record of the sin rebellion he caused. That is why Lucifer is locked away in the pit in Revelation 20:1-3 by a strong angel with a great chain. A similar thing happens to the scapegoat in Leviticus 16 who is bound and lead away by a fit man never to return into the camp. His banishment is eternal, and this is why Lucifer even after the thousand years never makes it back into the camp during the final battle of gog and Magog, because even in early Israelite times, the scapegoat was taken across Jordan and marked so that it was never let back into the land of Canaan, although, later traditions found the Israelites killing the scapegoat, but that was more their addition, not something god instructed them to do, because Lucifer doesn’t immediately die when he is first banished out from the camp of believers.* You continue: the scapegoat, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. *You are right in saying christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, because christ is the one who takes the sins from us, at some point after his Passover and also his resurrection because sins are not confessed over the Passover Lamb and the blood of the Passover is never instructed to be used in the sanctuary to make atonement, but there are other lamb sacrifices which come after Passover which might apply in that respect. And the reason he takes our sins away is to deal with the record of sins in the sanctuary, presenting our case before the Father over those issues of sin in the heavenly sanctuary, clearing us prior to the Day of Atonement. On the Day of Atonement, however, the final application of christ’s atoning work ends with the slaughtering and application of the blood of the Lord’s Goat. Leviticus is exceedingly clear that the Lord’s goat is the goat chosen for the people, not the Scapegoat. The Scapegoat is chosen for departing, because this goat represents Lucifer’s being formally charged for his involvement in teaching and provoking man to sin against God before he is banishd from the camp, never to return. Christ cannot be the Scapegoat for the simple fact that Christ returns into the camp of believers, he is not forever banished never to return again. So, Atonement can’t be truly completed until around the time of the Second coming.*
@@davidjoly9816 You continue: Throughout the old and new testaments we find the just suffering for the unjust. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also m suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit *Suffered for sins in what way though? You see, if Christ is a Substitute paying for our sins in our place with his death, that will just raise the obvious question of why man is still dying for sins Christ already paid for. The whole point of a Substitute dying in your place is so that you don’t have to. So, clearly, the fact that we are still dying after the fact either means God rejected the Substitutionary Payment, or christ was never a Substitute paying for sins in the first place. And in that respect, it helps to note that god in Ezekiel 18 openly reminds us that he isn’t in the business of falsely charging and murdering the innocent, but the soul that sinneth it shall die instead. Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Clearly, god is not in favor of the just dying for the unjust in terms of paying for sins. God’s position is that if man wants to live and not die for his sins, he must turn from all his sins. But, God knew man would accuse god of wrong judgment for holding this position, and states this openly. Eze 18:25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? Eze 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. Eze 18:28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. If god walked into a Christian church today saying that,they would attempt to crucify him again just for even hinting that idea. But, god even knows that after explaining this outright, his people wil not want to hear this truth, and will still reject it, and so god continues explaining how this is the path to creating in us a new heart and spirit through this teaching for anyone who can hear it. Eze 18:29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? Eze 18:30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? You see, the central goal of Ezekiel 11, 18 and 36 is for God to help us get rid of our stony heart and receive this new heart in its place so we will be fit for the New covenant, resolving the problem of a heart like an adamant stone god addresses in Zechariah 7, but Christians fight this process every step of the way, because they don’t want to believe they are responsible for repenting and turning from their sins. Yet, in Matthew 9:13, Christ said his reason for coming the first time was to call sinners to repentance. That is the primary foundation of the gospel and how we obtain God’s mercy. Christians want to insist instead that atonement is about Christ paying for their sins. But, if what christ was after was a simplistic payment for sins, he could have had Adam and Eve erect a cross outside of Eden and gotten that out of the way centuries before Christ’s first coming. And with Adam and Eve’s sins paid for, there would have been no need to drag humanity into this mess. Unfortunately, there is no payment for sins. Christ is not a Substitute, and that isn’t what it means to make an atonement for sin. Atonement is the process of separating you from sin, so that God can dwel among us without us dying in his presence.
@@coreybray9834 Jesus did bare our sin upon himself. You say this is unjust, and you are right! Justice is that we die for our own sins. Not an innocent animal, and certainly not Jesus. 1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. Galatians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 1 John 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Romans 5:8-10 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith If righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose: Galatians 2:20-21 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose. Faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin. They cannot be separated. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Self-righteousness and a love of sin are both pride. The former thinks his righteousness is good enough for God's perfect standard. The later is in rebellion to God. No matter how perfect we try to be, we will fail. We all sin and we all need the righteousness of Christ. We need to submit to the righteous of Christ trusting in his righteousness, not our own. If you are going about trying to establish your own righteousness, then you have missed the purpose of Christ's death. Romans 10:1-4 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. You asked some important questions. 1) If Jesus paid the penalty of sin, then why do we still die? The promise of eternal life is ultimately realized at the resurrection of the just. One must endure to the end to receive the promise, as it can be forfeited through apostasy. There's also the concept of spiritual life and death presented to us. You can be physically alive, but dead in sin. Paul uses this kind of language regularly in his epistles. Animals and young children who know nothing of sin also die. Are they dying because of their own sin or the effects of sin? Jesus didn't die for his own sin either, however you try to explain the purpose of his death. He died still the same. 2) I desire mercy, and not sacrifice. I think you are taking Jesus' statement out of context. There are many similar statements found throughout the OT. There were many people in Israel who trusted that their sacrifices and sabbath keeping was enough to cover over their wickedness. Take Isaiah 1, for example. God is disgusted with their sacrifices, Sabbaths, and vain offerings. They are, in some sense following the law, but yet they are practicing wickedness. Isaiah 1:15-16 When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; h even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood. Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes; cease to do evil, learn to do good; l seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause. God was confronting faithless Israelites who outwardly kept the rituals of the law, but inwardly were vile and wicked. This was the same with the religious rulers Jesus was confronting. God rejected such sacrifices. Proverbs 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, but the prayer of the upright is acceptable to him. Proverbs 20:3 To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Hosea 6:6-10 For I desire steadfast love (mercy in the LXX) and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. But like Adam they transgressed the covenant; there they dealt faithlessly with me. Gilead is a city of evildoers, tracked with blood. As robbers lie in wait for a man, so the priests band together; they murder on the way to Shechem; they commit villainy. In the house of Israel I have seen a horrible thing; Ephraim's whoredom is there; Israel is defiled. Jesus very well may have been quoting Hosea 6:6 in Matthew 9:13, assuming the LXX reading of "mercy and not sacrifice" is correct. What then is the context? God is confronting the wicked who thought their sacrifices were acceptable to God. The sacrifices of bulls and goats for the atonement of sins were a shadow of Christ's own atoning sacrifice, which is one and done. That Christ died for our sins is the core message of the gospel. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you- unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, I think you need to take a closer look at the doctrines you are holding to.
No need for a rocket science degree. Just get a KJV Bible search and look up the word "ordinance" (the "handwriting of") which was nailed to the cross. Then all you need to know is the difference between the sabbaths of the ordinances and the 7th day sabbath. The moral law is the definition of sin today. What? - You want an excuse for sin; or teach that God can't define it anymore?
@@6969smurfy Exactly my point - for those who prefer sin/private interpretation, its 'easier' to trust the soul to those with a 'rocket-science degree' in Bible 'psychology', rather than read and understand the simple words in the Bible themselves.
When you say simple do you mean like let the scriptures define the words, like say.... righteousness, as defined in Duet 6 25.... or Sin is Transgressions of Torah. Or how about Holy ir Set apart. Apart from what, how about the world in general... I'm confused and I'm sticking to it.. 😂 Make your self angood Day!
@@6969smurfy "ordinances" ..."nailed to His cross". You might want to know what the Bible defines these as. But instead, keep laughing and running away :P
@@BrookDesHarnais yea Ordinances huh, ..... Quoted even... I would think you should now what that means, take it to the Greek/Latin first, then the the Hebrew/Aramaic, then to the Paleo. If you think this means Thy MOST Highs word Torah is not held up No More, than YOUR systems are the Deciever doing It's works, just Like Sin One Of Man. ""Did HE really say That" getting man to Not Follow MOST Highs TORAH, that's "instructions" to the uneducated..
It's interesting because you are both right and wrong. Right in that we do not do animal sacrifices because christ died for sins once and for all. Animals did not have the power to forgive sin, it is Jesus blood that has is and will atone for all man kind. It was that way since the beginning of man. Wrong in that the law changed or has been done away with for basically the same reason. We have a preist, a temple, and a sacrifice in Jesus. The fact that we even use the word atonement in relation to Jesus proves that sacrifice is still required. The fact that his sacrifice was a single event is not support for the law being done away with. It is support that Jesus is God. If the law is not in effect then neither is Jesus sacrifice. Because mankind still requires atonement for sin, sacrifice is alo required. And we offer Jesus blood as our sacrifice. Otherwise we the concept of faith in Christ's blood wouldn't make any sense because we would not be compelled to offer anything for sin. You see, if sacrifice is not required then neither is the blood of Jesus. But that's not true. We still need atonement and Jesus sacrifice is still effective. Also, you are absolutely wrong about animal sacrifice being optional under the new covenant. If anyone trusts in the blood of animals for forgiveness has rejected the blood of Christ and are still dead in their sins. Are you actually teaching that is OK under the new covenant to offer animals sacrifices for sin?
Hi, Matt. I get where you're coming from. And in the larger cosmic sense of God's law as His eternal will and character, I agree with you. But when it comes specifically to the law of Moses, there has most definitely been a change. (Heb. 7:12). You said, "If anyone trusts in the blood of animals for forgiveness has rejected the blood of Christ and are still dead in their sins" and I agree 100%. In fact, in this video I said, "If those animal sacrifices were offered as an attempt to atone for our sin, it would be an outright and blatant declaration that we don’t trust in the sacrifice of Jesus or believe it was enough to cover our sin." Blessings, RLS
@TheBiblicalRoots I agree there has been a change in the Law but a change is distinctly different from ceasing to be. The change was the preisthood from the levites to Jesus who was not a levite, the temple that was a building to a temple that is a man, specifically Jesus, and atonement sacrifices that was animals but is now a man, that is Jesus. All of these things still exist though they were changed. The most common support for this changing of the law does not speak of the Law as a whole but to these three things. And again, a change is not equal to ceasing to exist
@TheBiblicalRoots Rob, could you respond to the final point in my first comment about atonement sacrifices being optional and not prohibited under the new covenant? I agree that we are in the new covenant but do you really believe what you said in regards to why people were permitted to continue in animal sacrifice for atonement? You use this logic in other conversations about the Feasts and Saturday Sabbath being optional but not required under the new covenant. But I think that logic fails dramatically and this example of atonement sacrifices is probably the best example of that. I ask for a response because I don't think you intended to say that atonement is an either or situation. Atonement is through one sacrifice, Jesus sacrifice. I think you need to do a correction video on this point and throw out the "optional" logic particularly related to animal sacrifice
Strawman...Solberg should manufacture and sell strawmen as proficient as he is in manufacturing them. I don't think 119 believes in animal sacrifice. Number one the argument against sacrifice would be two fold. 'Jesus' is the shadow of the sacrificial system on earth and without a temple there is no where to sacrifice. I'm pretty sure that's what 119 would say. I know this that 119 ministries understanding of the bible FAR FAR outshadows Solberg's Dallas Theological seminary or Southern Baptist Theological seminary talking points. Bro acts like a Oneness Pentecostal but that's 98% of mainstream world salad Christianity. Where if you look at their statements of faith it's so contradictory. We believe there is but One God and to Him ALL praise is during then Trinity- God is the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit each with distinct personal attributes but without division of essence, nature, being, or thought process. Then how do we pretend 'JESUS' came to be different than 'God'?? It's insanity at it's finest but Solberg doesn't even argue the points of his 'opposition' well at all. In fact, it's almost like he doesn't understand it at all and is purely being a member of the echo chamber that is mainstream Christianity. I've never heard this guy make a fair argument of his 'opposition' but rather he openly admits that he doesn't portray then appropriately because 'that's not the main point. The conversation us about a more general topic' then stop using people as examples if you're not going to fairly represent them. I love these guys who swear they are doing it for the 'Body' and they always say it's anyone who disagrees with them that are divisive but I've never heard 119 ministry role a mainstream group. I've seen them roll people who agree with them on most things but fail on small issues like Enoch or Jubilees. R L. Solberg is a complete fraud. He's not even coming from a place of good intentions. He can't be to make so many blatant mistakes.
Hi Chuck! The 119 Ministries teaching I tested in this video (and which I linked to in the video description) ends with this statement: "In conclusion, animal sacrifices are all about having a relationship with God on earth through the Temple service. In addition to bringing about ritual purity, they teach us about the holiness of God and also foreshadow God’s plan of redemption through Messiah. They haven’t been done away with. There’s no way to perform them right now due to the fact that there’s no Temple in Jerusalem, but they will be reestablished during the Millennial Reign." Shalom, RLS
Deut 30:11...... Gods laws are not difficult......... Sunday christians, No one could keep Gods law it was too difficult. Jesus died so we can eat bacon and free us from Gods law that was too difficult.
Hi Jeff! Christian theology doesn’t teach that God’s laws are too hard to keep in the sense of being too physically or intellectually difficult, or too hard to understand. The difficulty isn’t with God’s law but with our fallen human nature. This is the reason Israel wasn’t able to keep the law and therefore broke the Sinai Covenant, as God says in Jeremiah 31:31-32. He gave them a law that was not too hard for them or too far off (Deut. 30:11), and yet they couldn’t keep it. This is why Peter calls the law “A yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear” (Acts 15:10). Romans 3 says, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23). This is why “God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Rom. 8:3-4). The problem is our fallen state, not God’s law. Shalom, RLS
People should watch the teaching you are blatantly butchering and misrepresenting! They don't believe in sacrificing animals for sin after Jesus was....
Trash video simply because you've taken what 119 says out of context to fit your own argument. The only people who will buy this are people who are only taking your word and haven't compared it to what 119 actually says. Shame on you.
He always says, "This is what is said when I talk with Hebew roots people's" I'm not a labled One, but I like to see him actually speaking to One, because he always miss Represents them. at least the Ones I know!
Christians are really stuck on these animal sacrifices?, just a moment folks, there will be animal sacrifices in the future. No doubt about it, the prophets spoke about it in the Tanakh. And yes, it is literally!!!
It’s not literal, you have to explain Revelation 21:22 when John says “there is no temple.” Also Amos 9 and Obadiah says that Edom and the nations are suppose to be subjugated in order for the exile to end and God’s kingdom on earth is a established. In Acts it’s reinterpreted and guess what? It’s not literal and has to do with giving Edom/nations the gospel and bringing the them back into the family of God. You need reinterpret Ezekiel 40-48 and many other passages in the OT in light of the New Testaments temple talk.
@@solidsnake497 Tanakh be interpreted in light of the New Testament? What came first the Tanakh or the New Testament? Imagine if Mormons say that the Tanakh must be interpreted in light of the Book of Mormon or in light of the Qur'an? How absurd can it get?
@@Leon-jp7ch Well the New Testament is inspired by the Holy Spirit whereas those two other books you mentioned are not. There is continuity between the Old and NT it was written by Jews after all. Even if you reject NT temple talk you still get an idea in the OT that there’s more to the “third temple.” It’s directly tied into new creation (Eden) , restoration of Jerusalem and the end of exile. The lines are blurred there and if you need a literal temple for sacrificing you’re going to need the Ark of the covenant but Jeremiah 3 says the Ark will be remembered no more and will never be rebuilt. If you keep reading further in Jeremiah 3 Jerusalem is the throne of the Lord, the city itself is the Holy of Holies, no need to sacrifice because the Holy Spirit that was promised in the new covenant in Jeremiah will ritually cleanse believers to be able to live and dwell with God without being impure like in Eden, no gentile or Jew only one people of God and He will again “walk in the in the garden, in the cool of the day.”
Yea, I see what ya did there, Rob. You create a false posion based on babble talk. Torah is the Heart Matter, used to Discern righteousness in today's world, Of course we can't do most of Torah today, IF, You were truly in CRIST as your greek religion refers to. There would be no need for since sacrifice in the first place. We should. Be acting like our own temple and stop defiling it with the worldly ways that a greek religion adopted. It truly is that simple Rob. F y I. If you make shorter videos. Just declare in one of your hebrew related Positions. You would not keep going on from that point onwards and continue on missguiing in yourr witnesses...
Christ is the heart matter. Your focus left the Lord and Savoir and fell to the law. *Christ is the heart matter*. Until you know that with your heart and confess that with your mouth, you will forever place the Torah as superior to Christ. What a disaster: Moses greater than Christ.
. Lol do you even know Thy Heart of wich you speak?? Let me help good sir? 1 tim 1:5 Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith, Duet 30 10 if you OBEY the Adonai/LORD your YAH/God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the .Torah/Law and turn to the Adonai/LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL. Proverbs 3 3 Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART. 2 cor 3 3 And you show that you are a letter from Messiah/Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living YAH/God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS. Psalms 95 10-11 For forty years I was angry with that generation, and I said, “They are a people whose HEARTS go astray, and they have not known My ways. Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God. Jer 31 33 But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Adonai/Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their YAH/God, and they shall be MY PEOPLES ie YAHisrael. Hebrews 8 7-13 Hebrews 10 16 This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Adonai/Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.” Daniel 7 28 Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Messiah/Christ, doing the WILL of YAH/God from the HEART, Isaiah 56 6-7 And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the Adonai/LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the Adonai/LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP THE SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT - these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.” ~Now you.can understand~ Jeremiah 17-5 Thus says the Adonai/LORD: “Cursed is the man who "TRUST IN MAN" And makes flesh his strength, Whose HEART departs from the Adonai/LORD. Rev 12-17 00 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God, and have the TESTIMONY of YAHshua Humasheoc/Jesus Christ” Rev 14 12 Here is the patience of the Kadosh/qaddish/saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God and the faith of YAHshua/Jesus Rev 22 14 Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES. ECC 12 13 When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR YAH/GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
@@6969smurfy Yes, the heart of Christ: our God and Savior. The king, priest, prophet, sabbath, our all in all. As the author of Hebrews belabors to Hebrew people: Christ is Superior to all things and all people. He is the superior version of all people, roles and things. He is true Sabbath, he is the greater Moses, he is superior to all of creation. For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him alone be all glory now and forever more. 🎯❤
@@6969smurfy Your a wierdo So kooky. A foreigner to Christ and best to not call oneself: Christian. You are something other. If only you know your stiff neck forefathers, maybe it would help to not repeat their folly.
I didn't need to listen to more than two minutes before I realized it was just based on your incorrect view of what Hebrews believe on the subject. You just pander to your followers who havent taken the time to understand the argument any better then you, but they see you as an authority. See, the problem with your insistence that the sacrifice of animals are an integral component of Torah is without merit and ignores many passages not only in Torah itself but the prophets as well as the right side of the book.
Hi Vern! I didn't need to read more than two words of your comment before I knew you were going to disagree with me. :-) Respectfully, if you don't see the sacrifice of animals as an integral component of Torah which points to and prefigures Christ, you must not have read Leviticus. Shalom, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots The animal sacrifices were an integral part of nothing more than the levitical priesthood. If you can point to some other reasoning why they're integral part of the greater Torah, I'm all ears. In the meantime I would point you to Jeremiah 7, 9 and Malachi 2 You do not understand your opponents argument and that's just the truth. I know you you believe the opposite to be true but anyways
@@vernmiroth1626 Hi, Vern. Are you suggesting that atoning for sin was not an integral part of the Torah? Respectfully, I think you need to spend some time reading Leviticus to see just how much time it spends talking about sin sacrifices. Especially Leviticus 16 which describes the holiest day of the year in the Torah, Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement). This feast is solely focused on atonement and repentance. It is a day set aside for individuals and the community to seek forgiveness for their sins from the past year and to purify themselves spiritually. It's the only holy day that required complete fasting. The high priest would sacrifice a bull for his own sins and a goat for the sins of the people. Another goat, the scapegoat, would symbolically carry the sins of the people and be sent into the wilderness. So yes, sin atonement is an integral component of the Torah for all Israelites, not just the priests. Shalom, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Respectfully, I would suggest you read Leviticus without your Christian lenses on. What is The book of Leviticus about? How was atonement carried out prior to the incident with the golden calf?
1:23 .. NO!! it wasn't You won't make progress with hebrew roots people until you get this right What is the sacrifice to be made for stealing your neighbor's sheep? What is the sacrifice for adultery? What is the sacrifice for beating up your father? What sacrifice did the people of ninevah make to prevent destruction of their city? The sin sacrifice in the law is for UNINTENTIONAL sin of the entire nation of israel. There is no sacrifice you can make for intentional sin and Christians aren't israelites While you continue to get this so very wrong, none of your points mean anything at all. I think the reason you get it so wrong is that you're reading the law through Pauline lenses.. and he gets it very wrong as well
@@gameaddiction30092 yes. As soon as you answer the questions I asked in my original comment about sacrifice. Start with the one about stealing your neighbor's sheep. What is the sacrifice to atone for it?
If you have to search (only to discover the answer is "there isn't a sacrifice for that"), you don't know the law and nothing I tell you about "Pauline lenses" will be useful anyway
It's funny how you misrepresent Hebrews to try saying what they would say! I don't know not one who would say what you say they would. Your very dishonest and you should repent.
Hi Sabath! The 119 Ministries teaching I tested in this video (and which I linked to in the video description) ends with this statement: "In conclusion, animal sacrifices are all about having a relationship with God on earth through the Temple service. In addition to bringing about ritual purity, they teach us about the holiness of God and also foreshadow God’s plan of redemption through Messiah. They haven’t been done away with. There’s no way to perform them right now due to the fact that there’s no Temple in Jerusalem, but they will be reestablished during the Millennial Reign." Shalom, RLS
@neoturfmasterMVS actually I did watch the teaching and the emphasis was not on keeping sacrifice for sin going with animals but that the sacrifice for other offerings is not done away with but cannot be kept today because the temple nor levitical preisthood is not in place. It also is very clear that Jesus sacrifice is the only sacrifice that removes sin from the record. They were not teaching the continual sacrifice for sin.
This is excellent. Thank you, Professor Solberg, for all you do. May the LORD continue to richly bless your ministry. Honestly, I don't know how anyone can refute such clear sound teaching. Keep up the good work 👍
The Very First Thing, Miss representing what We as Wisdow Seekers are Looking for. Then its just babble.on from there....
Define the words f I est to The reborn infants, give them the 🥛! So they can grow and learn to walk, Righteousness is Thy Key, Follow HIM and not the lawless religions.
What is so hard to understand that the sacrifices were a foreshadow before the cross and a memorial afterwards, scripture clearly tells us they will be done in the future 💯❤️📖⚔️
Because "there is no longer any offering for sin." (Heb. 10:18)
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots why do you quote half the verse, prime example of someone taking something out of context 💯❤️📖⚔️
You’re videos are such a blessing brother. Not only do you have extensive, biblical knowledge, but you know how to convey the message in a clear and concise manner. This makes it easy for simpletons like myself to understand. Blessings 🙏🏼
When the Law of God, not the letter of the Law of Moses but the spirit of the Law of God, is written upon our heart it becomes a natural part of our character and we are not able to break it. This is the perfect Law of liberty.
Yes sir! Can I get a name AMEN!
The law of the Spirit of the life in Christ is not contunually minded on the things of the flesh which the law of Moses is called "the law of the fleshy innter-aim" H7.16. It seems all torah keepers can talk about is law this and law that, but our talk should be "the talk of faithing" and "the talk of Christ" R10.8, 17.
@TheRevelationDeception hhmm ? Yes we should get off the Law subject. And Think HIS faith not Our faith. Follow HIM and learn HIS Heart for Torah. "Fathers Instructions: For our fleshy Heart is Most Deceitful....
@TheRevelationDeception btw this spirit you meantion, do know who Gives it, and what is it for.
Ezekiel 11 19-20
And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God.
@@6969smurfy The Revelation was given after Paul's death. Paul had no knowledge of the Book of the Revelation. Most commentators interpret The Revelation in the light of Paul's writing. But this is a bad hermeneutic. Paul's writing should be interpreted in the light of The Revelation. The Revelation is the ultimate authority in doctrine and eschatology.
So good!! Thank you for making this video!
Great again Rob. God bless you. In reading some of the comments I'm shaking my head, rolling my eyes and laughing as I wonder what do some of these people who have a lust for the "ministry of death" that is the Law, not get about the words "once for all". And THEN to not see that if their interpretation of what Jesus meant by not one jot or tittle passing from the law until all is accomplished is correct then either Jesus' sacrifice was not entirely sufficient OR something had passed...(which it had since all had been accomplished!). Thanks Rob - great teaching. I admire your patience. As soon as someone says Paul was mistaken - that person is dead to me and they fall into the category of swine. Why? 1. I think they're insane; 2) they make themselves the arbiters of what is canonical. When people do that they're delusional and you cannot have any meaningful debate as logic has left the building.
There are several "regulars" in the comment section who, after going round & round with them, you will eventually discover that either they utterly reject Paul &/or deliberately misinterpret him in order to make their "theology" (word used loosely) work OR, worse, that they completely reject Jesus as Messiah & God. It is maddening. No one is stopping people from making up their own religion(s) (which is what they've done), but to come here day after day, week after week, month after month, arguing for their own twisted views (& they're all slightly different - they can't even agree amongst themselves) & attacking those who hold to conventional beliefs (orthodox/catholic/protestant - at least we hold to the basics of the faith: Jesus' birth/death/resurrection as both human & God) is unfathomable.
1st the ministers of death lable was because the NoN Torah following Judah was killing.profits and ended up killing YAHshua don't ya know...
The tought of your rolling of eyes, Sir just start with baby talk, learn Thy words as defined by The Word itself.
Start with Righteousness. It's very definition is located in Duet 6 25. Then go on from there, it will help you along this narrow path if you seek it.
@@kimartistagain Kim, you Never put forth only your opinions about how they, we, me, think? And you totaly "miss the Mark" Bible refferance there in case ya don't know it...
" Come On Man" (old Joe)
I love the Torah❤️ maybe not as much as King David and definitely not as much as Messiah but I love it so much ❤️ it’s not a ministry of death, it’s a Way of Life, The Way of Life.
I was so glad you pointed out the one memorial Jesus gave to us Himself in the Lord's Supper.
👏🏻 that is a beautiful and kind presentation of Truth. ✝️🙏🏼💟
Truth that leds down Thy Wrong path I'm afraid....
Jesus was the sacrifice and on the cross he said…it is finished! 🙏🏼💙
Thank you Dr. Solberg. Great episode as usual!
Great video so far Rob, I’m just 10 minutes in, this has always been the “nail in the coffin” argument with Torah Observance but always leads to explaining Christs sacrifice away. Keep fighting the fight brother.
*Edit-and what’s worse is, for the last 2000 years, none of us have been “properly” able to worship God and what He requires with sacrifice. He has left us in the dark since the death and resurrection of Jesus because we are unable to sacrifice since there is no temple and the priesthood. The Father doesn’t do that to His children.
We now offer a sacrifice of praise in Spirit and Truth. Not only on the mountains in Israel but over the whole earth!
Try sacrificing your fleshly desires, and find the narrow Path, Religions are the Wide gates to No Where..
@@6969smurfy what are you?
@@davidmorris7476a man... why?
@@davidmorris7476hey are you David morris from pearl Street, in Michigan?
@@davidmorris7476 if so I grew up around the corner from you on Henry street. Daniel Murphy,
Another sound Biblical refutation of Hebrew Roots!
Biblical? I think Relion refutation, maybe? Because My Bible surely don't sound like the Anti, disobedient Ones that userpt the Son over Thy Father..... this anti Gods Word teachings are babble Talk throught out the languages of Religions.
Got Milk, No, better Start learning Torah buddy...
“It is finished!”
Please explain to me why Ezekiel 37 - 48 says:
1. Temple is coming back, and YHVH is pleased with it.
2. The levite sons of Zadok will run the temple services according to Torah.
3. The sin altar will be reopened and animal sacrifices will be reinstituted.
4. Jesus teaches Torah from Jerusalem
5. The earth is subjected to torah for 1000 years.
Do you believe GOD told Ezekiel a lie?
Do you have a video that explains why it is allowed but not required? Or any verse perhaps?
Just here for the comment section 😝
But seriously, extremely cogent teaching, thank you. This is my 1st time hearing a 119 video, so it's interesting to get a little taste, but thank goodness no more. I don’t like to waste my time listening to false teachers (& thank you for doing it for us) & especially ones like this who sound very calm, rational, professional & you can see how otherwise intelligent people could get drawn into this false system 😢
119 is good instruction,
If you dont mind? how do you know if you are on the correct righteous path. I mean there's 20,000 plus lables of christainity, and I'm too scared to Pick One....
The comment section should be fun on this one! :-)
RLS
Interestingly, Smurfy, all 20,000+ denominations of Christianity are in far more agreement on the primary theological issues than the myriad Torah-keeping sects and offshoots.
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRootsyes sir, got that right.
Peace Love Rob, may you find Shalom .
@@TheBiblicalRoots Hey Brother Rob, see my comment at the top if you wouldn't mind.
Rob, thanks another great teaching. Just curious about something. I have been studying a lot about the early Church Fathers (ante-nicene) to gain more understanding around the early church that was connected with the Apostles. I have yet to read anything from them about the continuance of animal sacrifices or even the need for them. I would think these men would have passed this down if it was required or even expected of believers. Thanks, again. Shalom
The Epistles were being hunted down and killed mostly overtakers of this religion. You will only find information on the early church written by biased men.
The first church.????
quohals as it was called. We're all hunted down, and most of the Hebrew. Scriptures burnst. all but a remnant got through it but not on that continent.
Do really understand what happened to the religion?In the beginning you have to study between diocletian and constantine....
You're both a little right, you're both a little wrong, and you both need to think deeper. During the millennial reign of Christ, the curse will still be on the earth and there will be mortals wrapped in flesh giving birth the the next generation, until the 1000 years is up. They will still be sinning, just like we do now even though we have faith. Gal 3:24-25 says the law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ and that once a person has faith, they are no longer under a tutor. The best way to learn something is by hands on lessons and getting all the human senses involved.
People who didn't live through Daniel's 70th week, will need to learn about God's law, sin, death, what their King did for them, and the provision He made so that they can come into fellowship with Him. The church will not be functioning on earth like it is now, it will take on a different form in the millennial reign of Christ.
There are clearly sacrifices going on in Ezekiel's future temple in Ezekiel chps 40-48. If that temple doesn't come about, that would make Ezekiel a false prophet, and we know he's not. There are things we do not yet understand about what will happen when Jesus physically comes to live with His people on earth. Jesus will be traversing heaven and earth, through the 2nd heaven, just like there will be resurrected/raptured church saints also making those trips in their glorified bodies. All of us church members will be coming into contact with sinful flesh, while we're serving the earth dwellers.
Therefore, all of us need to be asking what role does Ezekiel's temple, and the unique sacrifices specified, have to do with these ministerial details during the 1000k years? I have a lot more to say about this but you get the theme of this first point I've presented. We all need to be thinking out of the box because some of the verses provided in this video by each presenter, were not studied enough or applied accurately. I have many more points to make but I don't want to make this comment any longer. God bless the household of God here, joy and peace to you.
There are clearly sacrifices going on in Ezekiel's future temple in Ezekiel chps 40-48. If that temple doesn't come about, that would make Ezekiel a false prophet, and we know he's not.
*We can add to that the offerings of the Levites in Jeremiah 33 which are also promised to occur in the coming Davidic kingdom, the sacrifices discussed at the end of Zechariah 14 after Christ returns and so on. I don’t know why folks are not more aware of these clearly stated Scriptural ideas. God even goes as far in Zechariah 14 to warn us that even Gentile nations like Egypt will be required to come up each year to keep the feast of Tabernacles from Leviticus 23, or there will be very real consequences if they refuse. Just as God warns the pastors in Jeremiah 23 who are not doing right by his people, pastors he will replace when Christ returns. You would think more pastors and teachers would be aware of that sort of thing. And the fact that in Ezekiel 44 God is reinstating the Levites is clear proof that he has not abolished his salt covenant with Levi from Numbers 18, and the requirement of being circumcised in heart and in flesh in Ezekiel 44 is not going to sit well with those depending on Acts 15 to make a stink against circumcission and other aspects of the law. Clearly, Acts 15 at best could only be considered maybe a temporary measure to help ease the Gentile converts into the faith. But, clearly, God has every intention of bring ing his law back on line as he admits in Isaiah 2:1-5. What is interesting is that God is the one pointing out that when people refuse to hear his law and prophets, this is the condition in Zechariah 7 God refers to as having a heart like an adamant stone: the same stony heart God seeks to remove out of his people in Ezekiel 11 and 36. But, a lot of Christians want to hold on to their stony heart, rather than allow God to help them over this trecherous problem. Those who refuse to hear his law and prophets, he has Isaiah write a book about in Isaiah 30, arguing that what their rebellion is really up to is to cause the Most High to cease from before them. Little do they know, their transgressing his law, changing his ordinance, breaking his everlasting covenant is the reason why God says the curse devours the earth in Isaiah 24, the inhabitants are burned and few men left. The same curse that comes about in Zechariah 5 as well. But, as the fire is burning them, God asks in Isaiah 33 who can dwell with everlasting burnings, giving us a clear identification of the character traits required to achieve that critical objective so we are not consumed by the coming curse, seeing God promises to bring his people through the fire in Zechariah 13:9, just like he did when he brought Daniel’s three friends in Daniel 3 through the firey furnace and they weren’t harmed.
@@coreybray9834 You've brought out excellent points here. There's clearly going to be an amazing plan for the remnant who survives the great tribulation. I've been seeking the Lord to show me more reasons why they will be performing sacrifices.
Whenever you come up with a thought about these millennial sacrifices, Corey, even if it's random and not fully developed, I'd appreciate it if you would put your thought under the latest video I've posted. I'll eventually be making a video about them but I feel like I'm still missing some important keys to them. Blessings to you.
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@coreybray9834 You've brought out excellent points here. There's clearly going to be an amazing plan for the remnant who survives the great tribulation.
*Well, I believe the great tribulation is in the past. It is mentioned in the fourth church of Revelation, and I believe we live in the sixth church of Revelation today, when God keeps his people from the hour of trial that will come over the whole earth before Christ comes quickly. I think of it this way. After the Passover in Egypt, God had the people wander for 40-years in the wilderness, then they crossed Jordan into Canaan, and they kept Passover and reinstituted circumcision, then the trumpets were blown the seven days as they marched around Jericho. Notice, God’s people did not get hurt in the Jericho experience, but they were dominating then over their enemies, because Joshua (who symbolizes Yeshua) was leading them to victory.
Since Christ’s crucifixion and the end of the 70th week of Daniel 9 in 34 AD, there has been 40-Levitical Jubiles until 1994 when Christianity did its own wandering in the wilderness in Revelation 12. The woman who fled into the wilderness in Revelation 12 was given two wings of a great eagle, and God in like manner told Israel in Exodus 19 that he brought them out of Egypt on Eagle’s wings too. So, the Christian experience was already basically mapped out in the Exodus and the 40-years, to Christianity’s exodus out of Israel so we could take the gospel to the world. At the end of our 40-Jubile experience, we too crossed our own spiritual Jordan and around that time many Christians started returning back to keeping feasts and such, because Levitical feasts were to be kept after God’s people entered Canaan. Many of those feasts and their particulars could not be kept while they were wandering in the desert, because it would have been difficult to maintain stable agriculture while they were moving around and the issues of trying to grow crops in the desert. Now that we are spiritually in Canaan, we to are now experiencing the seven trumpets being blown in Revelation 8-11 and the turmoil that comes over the earth as a consequence, but instead of Jericho falling at the end of these seven trumpets, Babylon is destroyed. So, again, the experience from the Exodus to the fall of Jericho is repeated in the Christian experience as the types of the law met their antitypes. And this is why Lucifer wants to toss out the law, because he does not want God’s people to recognize that the foundation of the prophetic plan God has put forth for his people is rooted in that experience in the law. But, God says he will seal his law among his disciples in Isaiah 8:16, so those who are rejecting the law today are rejecting the seal, and by verse 20, god judges there is no light in those who speak not according to his law and testimony and by verse 22 God also warns they will curse God and king and be driven into darkness. So, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that we see this sharp contrast between those who accept God and his law and those who reject God and his law. The seal of God will not be embraced by everyone. Deuteronomy 6 instructs God’s people to bind up the law to their right hand and forehead between the frontlets of their eyes. And those who do not make the law a part of their thoughts and their doings, these will be far more vulnerable to taking the mark of the beast in the same location of their right hand and forehead instead in Revelation 14.*
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Sue: I've been seeking the Lord to show me more reasons why they will be performing sacrifices.
Whenever you come up with a thought about these millennial sacrifices, Corey, even if it's random and not fully developed, I'd appreciate it if you would put your thought under the latest video I've posted. I'll eventually be making a video about them but I feel like I'm still missing some important keys to them. Blessings to you.
*Well, I have difficulty following videos because I am blind, so I post as best I can on these comment sections, but navigating and finding videos is difficult. It is evident to me that God transferred the law to the heavenly sanctuary after the earthly temple was rendered without function back at Christ’s time, and in Ezekiel 37 God will return and place a new sanctuary among us so he can dwell in our midst again and resume the particulars of his law. Christians do not seem to recognize the importance of god’s question in Isaiah 33 when he asks who can dwell with everlasting burnings, and then goes into the character traits required to exist in God’s presence, and why his people will call god their law giver, not their law liberator. Because the law will go forth from Zion in Isaiah 2:1-5 and the world will change to something lawless Christian thinking under the rule of Paul in Christianity has never been able to achieve to date which is the nations not learning war anymore.
As a consequence of the sanctuary being restored and the law going forth from Zion, we will return to needing Levitical priests to function in that sanctuary as outlined in Ezekiel 44, Revelation 3:12, 7 and 20:6 as well as other prophecies, and the feasts and sacrifices will return on up through Ezekiel 46, Zechariah 14 and so on.
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People think of the blood of the sacrifice as the means to forgive sin, but that’s not really the point of the sacrifices and their blood. God never needed a sacrifice to forgive sins, or even resurrect and take people like Moses, Enoch and Elijah. God was taking people and forgiving sins long before Christ ever went to the cross. What God needed sacrifices for was first to depict what Christ would have to endure on the cross at Passover to certify that he was worthy enough in Revelation 5 to be qualified to become our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary, and in the sanctuary soon to come in the restored Davidic kingdom where Christ is like Joshua the High Priest who is also a king in Zechariah 6 after god delivered his people out of Babylon. Remember,we are supposed to come out of Babylon too in Revelation 18:4.
After we come out of Babylon, Zechariah 7 introduces man to the idea of the heart like an adamant stone that has been separating God from his people the entire time, because they refuse to hear the law and the words he sent by his servants the prophets. This is the same forever rebellion God has Isaiah write a book about in Isaiah 30. In Isaiah 30 many claiming to be God’s people will not hear his law, they want his prophets to tell them smooth lies and their ultimate goal is to cause the Most High to cease from before them. For those who appreciate his law and prophets, God wants to remove their stony heart in Ezekiel 11 and 36, and in doing so they will return to keping his law, statutes, judgements and commandments with a new heart. But, in Ezekiel 18, God explains that the wicked must turn from all their sins if they want to live, because repentance (which Christ came preaching we should do all the way back in Matthew 9:13) is what helps us to create a new heart and a new spirit, making us more fit to be part of the restored Davidic kingdom and its Sanctuary to come.
By Jeremiah 23, the pastors who preach wrong things and do not visit and feed the flock, Christ will replace them at his second coming with new shepherds who will teach his law and prophecies correctly to the people. By Jeremiah 33, God says he will reemploy the Levites to make offerings in the coming Davidic kingdom, same as Ezekiel 44.
So, the point of returning the sacrifices is to restore the protection of Christ’s ministrationwhile God dwels in our midst so we can continue to learn to be righteous as God is trying to restore us fully with sanctification too, not merely justification in Isaiah 26, but the wicked will still refuse to learn righteousness at that time, but the blood of these sacrifices according to Revelation 12 helps us to overcome the accuser of the brethren, namely Lucifer, who was cast down back at the cross after the war in heaven ended resulting from Christ’s victory. Lucifer didn’t want to leave heaven quietly. But,the blood of these sacrifices, instead of paying for sins, what they actually do is they certify that every case Christ reviews in the heavenly sanctuary is associated with the blood of a sacrifice to remind Lucifer that his accusations against Christ and his people who are forgiven does not stand when Christ applies his blood, but this time around in the restored Davidic kingdom the Gentiles will learn this from the sanctuary services they missed out on, not growing up with the Jewish law as an integral part of their life. Remember in Isaiah 60 the forces of the Gentiles will be converted, and a lot of these Gentiles know nothing all that much about God’s law and all its intricate details, so this is why we see Gentile nations like Egypt in Zechariah 14 required to keep the Levitical feast of Tabernacles too. Because God is dispelling the argument that says all these ideas from the law were only intended for the Jews. But, notice in Isaiah 66:22-23 God says “all flesh” will come in the New Earth to keep his Sabbaths and new Moon feasts, not merely Jews only, else only Jews would be saved if only Jews keep these things. And God wants to save Gentiles too, so he says “all flesh” instead of “Jews” only.
Now, Lucifer depends on accusing God of being an unfit judge and accusing us as being as wicked and prone to sin as he is, suggesting that if God forgives us he must also forgive Lucifer. But, Christ’s victory over Lucifer at the cross changed that dynamic, because Christ is a fit judge and was found worthy under the New Song of Revelation 5, and his blood now protects us from Lucifer’s accusations in Revelation 12, where before we were vulnerable to Lucifer’s accusations. So, Lucifer has lost some of his insurance policy he has been using to keep god from destroying him after the fall of man. So, these are a few of the thoughts I have had about sacrifices and what they really represent and why they will be returned in the restored Davidic kingdom-especially as a teaching tool for the incoming Gentiles who lack the benefit of knowing the deep and intricate particulars of god’s laws and what they stand for. Christians today just have a nack for tossing out what they don’t see the value in, and this has raped Christians of a true sense of the culture and way of thinking god employs when orienting to his people. They can’t appreciate why christ says in Matthew 4:4 that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, words so many Christians are trying to toss out. They don’t pause to consider there are more than simply sacrifices for sins in the law, there is the Passover sacrifice, sacrifices of burnt offering, peace offerings, ttresspass offerings, sin offerings, free will offerings and so on. So, the richness of these ideas are lost to most Christians, but they are not lost to God. God even employs many of the types of the law in later prophecies, like the seven lampstands of the sanctuary candlestick of exodus 25 reemerging in Zechariah 4 and Revelation 1-4. God speaks to people in types, but the foundational meaning of these types is in the law, and Christians are trying to toss out the rosetta stone that is the law which helps them to make sense of the later prophecies. Jews kept hold of the law, but they rejected the gospels which would have taught them how to realize the point of what the law was pointing them to, namely Christ and his ministration which was moving from an earthly temple governed by Levitical priests to a heavenly sanctuary governed by Christ of the Order of Melchizedek (the other priesthood in torah). The Jews should have understood that Christ was the other prophet like Moses in Deuteronomy 18, and Christians should understand this too, because those who get the victory and stand on the sea of glass in Revelation 15 will sing the song of Moses and the Lamb: meaning they are not trying to create a wedge between the teachings of Moses and the gospel of Christ, but they see this is a unified and completed message by studying both. That is why Christ said in the Parable of Lazzarus and the rich man that if they hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead like Lazzurus. Christ is also one who rose from the dead who is having a hard time persuading those who reject Moses and the prophets.
But, it is interesting to watch today that many Jews are starting to recognize that yeshua was their Messiah, and many Christians are starting to recognize the law does have merit, and I don’t think that is by mistake. God is getting ready to reunite the two houses of Israel in Ezekiel 37 whose brotherhood was broken in Zechariah 11 with the death of Christ after he was betrayed for 30-pieces of silver. In prophecy, Israel typically represents literal Israel, and Judah represents Christianity, because christ is the lion of the tribe of Judah in Revelation 5. So, the breaking of the brotherhood of Israel and Judah in Zechariah 11 is the separation of Christians out from the Jews after the cross. And the two sticks being joined together in Ezekiel 37 is God reuniting these two houses to bring about the restored Davidic kingdom. This is also why God divides Israel after the death of David into Northern and Southern Israel. He is again trying to explain how Christianity represents Judah and literal Israel represents samaria which is under Ephraim of Joseph. So, the houses of Joseaph and Judah come back together in Ezekiel 37 to resolve that allegory god played out as well so we could see the same story play out again and again to better understand how Israel and Christianity function in prophecy.
May God bless you and make his face to shine upon you, Sue.
To offer sacrifices in a temple in the future wouldn't make sense because we've already been given a way by Jesus himself to comemorate his sacrifice: the Lord's supper.
Really great point.
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There is a distinction of the words for atonement that is used in the New Covenant that differs from the Old Covenant system. The NC removes sins and reconciles us, the OC covers sins which must be reapplied yearly.
And every time we sin its like Crucifying HIM all over again,
Not in The Fisical but in the spiritual sense.
Wisdom of Torah Helps to keep from Sinning..
If we are to be the temple we might want to try to learn how to treat the temple.
@WilliamDeanlll I appreciate your trying to make sense of this but I believe that you will find that the OT system allowed for people to be forgiven. Those sins did not roll over or need covered again. They were absolutely forgiven and were not held against anyone after they received their forgiveness. Else, God is a liar....
What the new covenant will do, someday when it is consumated, will make us a new with spiritual bodies that will never sin again. That is what is found in Hebrews talking about the New Covenant taking away sin which the Old Covenant could not do. Taking away the sin means that it will never happen again. But when sin is done, it has to be atoned for which means that every year, those newly committed sins are remembered. The sin of lying, stealing, murder and the like, all done by people every year causes that sin to be recalled. Just like a speed limit sign in town where you have to go before the judge and pay a penalty for going to fast. You are made whole at that time but the next joker that goes to fast over that same speed limit sign will once again remind the judge of that violation. Not of you, you are already made whole. But he will be reminded of that speed limit sign and it's violation.
Someday when we are IN the new covenant, we will never sin no more. Not just us but everyone remaining will be transformed and will never sin again. Thus, the sin will have been taken away.
Until then, sacrifice for sin continues....
@@6969smurfy I understand what your saying, but scripture is very clear that our sanctification is not from the Torah or Decalogue. You're mixing the Mosaic and New Covenants together. Deuteronomy 4:13 and Exodus 34:28 makes it clear that those were the Old Covenant, Hebrews 7:12 says there is a new law, 2 Corinthians 3:13 says this new law is written on one's heart and not from the Decalogue.
@@jeremiahchapman9288 Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it! There is nothing to indicate that the Old Testament saints were forgiven based on the Mosaic Covenant, in fact it is the opposite. The New Testament calls this a ministry of death (Galatians 3:24, 2 Corinthians 3:7), to get people to realize they need a savior. The Old Testament saints, even those that came before Moses or the Decalogue, were saved because their hope was in God, i.e. faith. Thus faith is how we enter into this New Covenant, not being born into it by the Mosaic Covenant Jeremiah 31:31-34 explains to us God will not remember our sins within the New Covenant and the Holy Spirit enables us with teaching, wisdom, and power in our relationship with Jesus. Jesus, being our High Priest, is the mediator when we do stumble. The love we experience within this relationship produces desire to obey the Law of Christ. Hopefully this helps, God bless!
@@WilliamDeanIII I would love to address this.
First I will show you a bunch of verses that prove that he did in fact forgive them during the first marriage covenant.
Lev 5:10 And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.
(Psalms 32:5) Then I acknowledged my sin to You and did not hide my iniquity. I said: “I confess my transgressions to Adonai,” and You forgave the guilt of my sin. Selah
Forgiveness given under the first marriage covenant
Lev 4:32 And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.
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Lev 4:35 ...; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.
Psa 85:2 Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah.
2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Psa 78:38 But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath.
Second, I would like to point out that in Jeremiah 31:31 when describing the new marriage covenant to come, he did not say that there had not yet been any forgiveness, he was simply stating the terms of the new marriage covenant.
The big difference between the new and the old is that under the new marriage covenant, everyone will intimately know him and his ways so much so that no one will need to teach another person because they will already know it. Also, under the new marriage covenant, people will no longer sin. Period. So that makes the new marriage covenant better than the first one.
Peace to you.....
Isaiah 66:3 ESV
[3] “He who slaughters an ox is like one who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, like one who breaks a dog’s neck; he who presents a grain offering, like one who offers pig’s blood; he who makes a memorial offering of frankincense, like one who blesses an idol. These have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations;
The closing chapters of Isaiah are oft used in defense of a future millennium, particularly of one that is very very Torah Observant. How could they possibly get that?
So far as I can tell, the better reading of Isaiah is that there is no future millennium characterized by Jewish practice. What are your thoughts on Isaiah and its closing chapters, Rob?
You didn't ask for random opinions, but I'll offer one anyway
Isaiah is really good stuff. And probably truly written in 600ish bc
Isaiah is revealing history and practices that we ignore in favor of an embellished and often falsified history of the land and people
Verse 4 and 5 of Isaiah 66 help to make verse 3 make sense. God is saying that for those that do not heed his call and do not seek him, that when they slaughter an ox (as a sacrifice) then it will be to him as painful as when someone kills another person. For that sacrifice ignores what God really asked for in the first place. Obedience.
The prophet Jeremiah put it like this:
Jer 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
Notice in verse 22 he said that he did not talk to them concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices but for them to "Obey my voice"
Anytime we fail to obey his voice and then offer sacrifices as if we are at peace with him, it is a stench to his nostrils!
@jeremiahchapman9288 The content is similar to that of the hall of faith in Hebrews 11. Faith is what characterizes a follower of Jesus, not the Levitical system.
Other passages I feel are connected, the 1st one leading your way, would be Ezekiel 8 where he sees awful things happening in the temple (also 24 for the state of Israel) . The other being Matthew 23 and Jesus scathing rebuke and condemnation of the scribes and Pharisees. The temple was then called their house and not His, and would (and was) left desolate. One of the practical reasons sacrifices aren't offered anymore. Isaiah typifies it in his closing chapters too. Ritual doesn't please Him in the new covenant (speaking of Jeremiah).
@@rocketmanshawn well, we still offer the sacrifices. Exactly as Solomon said to in 1 kings 8 and as Hosea 14:2 says to.
It is exactly as they did while in the dispersion.....
Faith is the hallmark of a true believer... Which is why those that have it, obey his commandments. Faith without works is dead. Rituals have always pleased him if they are the ones that he established. It is a great time for him to get together with his people and have them all hang out together around in his presence.
You said, "Speaking of JEremiah" What did he say that makes you think that God's ways are done away with?
The Torah movement loves to say Jesus has not yet accomplished all He has to do so therefore the Torah of Moses still stands…even though there are at least a few verses in the NT that literally state that Jesus accomplished all the Father gave him to do.
Lies, I like how disobedient children put words in the adult mouths.
BTW, infants don't know that It's YAHs instructions, and Moses was the Author.
Infants that do NOT know how to speak sure do babble alot!
"IM not out of order, Your out of order" lol remeber that movie?
Anyways, ..
HE, YAHshua did everything requested here on Earth, He has not returned to Kill/slaughter the unrighteous yet! And yea, heaven ( Cosmos) and Earth (dirt) have not passed away. (New perfect Heaven and Earth)
BTW I believe the definition of Richouness is found in Duet 6 25.... 🎉
Halalu-YAH (praise YAH)
@@6969smurfy good stuff!!
Peace and blessings, he accomplished everything the father gave him to do in reference to his first arrival. Luke 24:44-48 specifies exactly what he accomplished. Nothing more nothing less.
@@NoIdeaOnAnAlias Boom! Exactly!!!!
When I talk to Hebrew Roots people, they always mention the Ezekiel Temple and that there will be live sacrifices during the Millennium. Why is that?
@teacherlynn…the biblical system is an honour / dishonour system…just as Adam was told “ in the day you eat of it you shall surely die “ so no one lived to be a 1,000 years old..so 1,000 years under God’s Torah has to happen because He is an Honourable God..Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 Thank you for writing
@@harryabrahams2770 Nothing of Christ’s great sacrifice is lessened by daily sacrifices at Ezekiel’s Temple. I think that is the real point and I think you are hinting at that.
There is no literal temple it’s Jesus himself he even says this to the Samaritan women.
“Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.””
John 4:21-24 ESV
@@solidsnake497 Well thank you for writing!!
How do you work around .
Ezekiel 46:4 (KJV)
And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day [shall be] six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:6 (KJV)
And in the day of the new moon [it shall be] a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.
This is speaking of the Prince that is to come .
All shall come to worship.
Zechariah 14:18 (KJV)
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that [have] no [rain]; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zechariah 14:19 (KJV)
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
You must ignore these or justify them .
Which is it ?
There is a lot more to be ignored so to speak. The animal sacrifice will return exactly as in the days of old and in the former years. Of course they are free to ignore everything from the prophets of the Tanakh and put their trust 100% in anonymous authors of the new testament
A common explanation ( see dispensational theology for example) is that these prophecies are applicable to "survivors of the nations" (Zechariah 14:16) in the future millennial kingdom. That is, after Jesus' return there will be at least some components of the law of Moses reinstated for remaining mortals.
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Think about what dispensation is saying.
It is saying GOD changes depending on the generation.
Scripture does not teach that .
Man did not live up to GODS standards and HE sent a flood and destroyed all but those HE chose to save on an ark .
The Hebrew failed to live up to HIS standards and they were consumed in the wilderness.
The Israelites failed and lost two Temples and the Promised Land .
How many more example’s does man need ?
GOD is our standard. HE changes not .
Man changes and usually for the worst .
Man does not become as GOD but we must come up to the standard’s HE has gave us .
Just do some serious thinking .
Remember Jesus studied the Old Scriptures not Paul’s writings.
I'm not a dispensationalist, but it is a common theological system that tries to makes sense of those prophecies. Many non dispensationalists take a similar view.
But I think you need to look closer at what it means to "change". The Law of Moses was given long after Abraham. Did God change when he gave the Law to Moses? Or did he enter a special covenant with Israel? Abraham didn't have the temple, a levitical priesthood, or all those ceremonial laws. Neither did anyone before him. When God makes a covenant, does that imply "change"? If not, why would the new covenant imply a change?"
There's also the concept of progressive revelation. God reveals more of himself to humanity through the prophets and particularly Jesus. How many Jews at the time of Jesus believed in the divine Word that would be made flesh? Not many. Did the nature of God change? Of course not. The knowledge of his nature changed.
@@davidjoly9816 Everything literally changed.
Christianity came to introduce a completely new God who was totally foreign to our ancestors. The concept of God in the flesh is not biblical. There are a large number of verses that go against this idea.
Again and again we are warned that God is not a man and must not be confused with anything.
Shouldn't that be self-explanatory? We know that God created man in his own image. So why is there a need to create God in man's image?
Isn't it already perfect enough?
If that's what they believe, how about Matthew 5:19-22, I Jesus is talking about the chosen people and still old testament until his death Hebrew 9.8-14
If the bible is our attorney. Then i am assuming you are using the kjv.
The way the original question being framed is in error to begin with, because the fact of the matter is that the animal sacrifices could truly never atone for anyone's sins as this man acknowledged. Only the Blood of Christ could do so, so even when sacrifices are done again in the millennial Kingdom as scripture tells us will be the case, it's not going to disregard or disrespect what Christ did but serve as a memorial rather 💯❤️📖⚔️
This is interesting! You said "the animal sacrifices could truly never atone for anyone's sins." Yet God said, "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to *make atonement* for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life" (Lev. 17:11).
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots it is very interesting 🤔 the sacrifices were obviously given as a prototype and foreshadowing of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach otherwise the blood of goats would of taken away sins, which we know is not possible #Hebrews10:4 💯❤️📖⚔️
Love the short sleeves. Great choice.
It is still required....(Important part) but the law says without a temple/tabernacle you are not to sacrifice (See Deuteronomy 12:13). Just like sacrifices stopped during Ezekiel's time and Sin was forgiven by repentance while there was no temple/tabernacle (See Ezekiel 18:21-23, 1 Samuel 15:22) or . Which is why Jesus taught repentance. So in this case nothing has passed from the law because the law had a law about this.
Jesus had to sacrifice because there was a temple. And his sacrifice was better because it could forgive sins that animal sacrifices couldn't like murder, witchcraft, idolatry. homosexuality, and like 5 others. This is why Christians like Paul, James, and Peter were still sacrificing. See Acts 21:15-26 because the church doesn't see the gentiles as grafted in as Israel like a proselyte (This last sentence can be argued)
If you read further in your Hebrew 10 examples it warns about sin after accepting Christ because His death cleared you sins are acceptance and your actions are recorded to see if you have truly repented(Keep the law) and have the laws in your heart. This is allowed by grace instead of instant death during Moses time.
The next big sacrifice is the Day of the Lord which is symbolized by the Day of Atonement. See Ezekiel 39:17-End and Revelations 19:11-19. Because Blood makes atonement for SIN
To think that the sabbath, Feasts days, or eating clean evolved into being optional based off colossians 2:16 which is actually saying the opposite of your guy's interpretation, is quite sad and unfortunate 💯❤️📖⚔️
Actually, when read in context, that's _exactly_ what that passage in Colossians 2 says. Here's a detailed study we did on that passage:
*Part 1: Torah Shadows of Christ: Colossians 2:16-17 *
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*Part 2: Torah Shadows: 3 Arguments on Colossians 2:16-17*
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Shalom!
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots actually your position is 100% incorrect, otherwise in verse 20 of the same chapter it would mean "the rudiments of the world" and "doctrines of men" would be the Torah of God, which would be blasphemy 💯❤️📖⚔️
Rob what was the sacrifice required for Yom Kippur?
As all the other sacrifices that you’re talking about are for unintentional sin, mind you that not all of these required a blood sacrifice.
Hi Antonio! You can read all about that sacrifice in Leviticus 16. It was for all the sins of Israel.
Blessings,
RLS
You should really read the whole Bible not just a few verses and then come up with some entire theology based on an out of context quote. Do you want to know how God feels about it? Maybe you should read the first chapter of Isaiah he makes it pretty clear how he feels about the law.
there was pardon of sin before there was an altar in a tabernacle or temple
you don't understand the sacrifices
you don't understand atonement
how can you compare/contrast the work of messiah laying down his life to something you are clearly misinformed on?
I really hope Solberg reads this as I would love to hear from him regarding my response and questions. As a general overview, you mentioned sacrifices for SIN are no longer required but then throughout your video you go on to say ANY sacrifices and then the LAW is no longer required.
A few simple questions and then I will go deeper into your research. 1. Is Jesus the final authority or Paul? Jesus is of course. He is the walking example of how to keep Torah, the word of God. He is the authority not Paul. Paul needs to align himself with the Messiah otherwise he is a false teacher. What did Jesus teach about the law of God aka Moses? Did he say once I'm gone, you aren't required to keep God's laws? NO! In fact he magnified the law by saying don't even go as far as thinking about transgressing the laws. You mention Matt 5:18, heaven and earth have not passed so every little part of God's law is still in affect. until all is accomplished means until these things he just mentioned occur. If you go on in verse 19 - Jesus says therefore WHOEVER RELAXES one of the LEAST of these commandments and TEACHES others to do so..." It is clear on the stance of Jesus regarding God's laws. They are still required until heaven and earth pass away, every little iota.
2. If Jesus didn't say it was done away with, how could Paul? If Paul truly states otherwise then he is a false teacher. I don't think he did but rather his words have been misunderstood. This was and is common just as Peter stated. Bottom line, if Jesus didn't say it, Paul is not saying it.
3. If Paul himself didn't believe the sacrifices were required or relevant than why did he continue to do these things? Not just the Nazarite vow but he also returned for the pilgrimage feasts - Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks aka Pentecost.
In Acts - why was Paul taking others to the temple? Because he was being accused of what? Acts 21:24. By keeping the law of God he would show his accusers that he was still living in OBSERVANCE of the law. He was arrested because he was accused of the breaking the laws of God and telling others too. Acts 21:26 - The NEXT DAY.. he PURIFIED himself along with them (the 4 others). This is also stated in Acts 24:17-18. He brought his sacrifices/offerings...they found him PURIFIED in the temple. How does one purify himself regarding the Nazarite vow? What offerings are brought? Numbers 6:13 - three sacrifices - one male lamb for burnt offering, one ewe lamb for sin offering, one ram for peace offering, grain and drink offerings. If he had been purified than the animals/grain/drink offerings would have been completed. It doesn't state going to be purified. Whether or not he was able to do these sacrifices is irrelevant. He was going to perform these things with the others in observance of God's law.
The festivals they continued to celebrate - Unleavened Bread and Feast of Weeks include animal offerings as well. They would of celebrated in observance of God's law.
4. If God doesn't require these sacrifices anymore, and if as you say they are pointless an ineffective, than why is God bringing the sacrifices (all of them) back during the millennial reign? Ezekiel 40-48, Zech 14. These are literal things that will happen, not just poetic.
5. Misunderstanding scripture - You use Hebrews 10:18 many times throughout your teaching but I don't think you realize the context of this passage. Hebrews 10:16-18 is quoting directly from Jeremiah 31:33-34. He is speaking of the new covenant. He states I will put my LAW within them and I will write it on their HEARTS....no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and his brother ...for they shall all know me....I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more. Has this happened yet? No, as it is not written our hearts and minds. We still have to teach others, not all know Him. This is speaking of a time to come when this will be accomplished when Jesus returns to judge the world, when he casts out the wicked from the righteous. If you go on to Heb 10:22, he is quoting Ezekiel 36:25-27, 33 - (new covenant, new man) I will sprinkle clean water on you...I will give you a new heart and new spirit...I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. Moving on....Hebrews 10:28 says ANYONE who has set aside the law of Moses (aka God's laws) dies without mercy on the evidence of 2-3 witnesses.
1 Corinthians 9:20 - what is Paul really saying hear? It's about how you present the word of God to believers or unbelievers. I will speak differently to those who are believers vs those who don't believe. He states, to those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law). To be "under" g5259 hypo, means to stand accused, accusative case. He became like Jesus in that instance. He was among the sinners even though he was not still a sinner. Paul talks about being under the law alot..to the Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, etc. Romans gives a good overview of which laws he is speaking of. There are two. This isn't specifically referencing God's laws. Romans 8:2 - For the "law of the Spirit" has set you free in Messiah Jesus from the "law of sin and death". 9:21 talks about the outsiders who don't even know Gods law... He also states how those will be dealt with unbelievers vs those accountable to God's law in Romans 2:12-13 -All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. FOR IT IS NOT HEARERS OF THE LAW WHO ARE RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW WHO WILL BE JUSTIFIED.
When you see "under the law" he is speaking about the LAW OF SIN which equals death.
6. Does Paul contradict Jesus, himself and the other apostles? We covered if Jesus didn't say it Paul couldn't say otherwise. Paul himself kept the laws as he told others to do, just as Jesus did. (Romans 2, 3, Acts It is the fruit of your salvation. He does not go back on his words nor does he conflict with other apostles like James and John.
1 John 2:4-5; 5:3, Revelation 12:17; 14:12, James 2
It is not the law of Moses. It is the law of God from Moses.
It IS called the 'Law of Moses' in the OT: Josh 8:31, 32, Josh 23:6, 1 Kings 2:3, 2 Kings 14:6, 2 Kings 23:25, Dan 9:11, 13, and several more. In the NT, it IS called the 'Law of Moses' in Luke 2:22, Acts 13:39, Acts 15:5, Acts 28:23, 1 Cor 9:9, and Heb 10:28. Jesus Himself calls it the 'Law of Moses' in Luke 24:44 and John 7:23. Technically, Moses received the Law from God, but I can't find 'law of God from Moses' anywhere in Scripture.
It was never the animal’s blood that took away the sins of the person. It was the person’s faith and repentance. The sin sacrifice is a physical representation of the work of MESSIAH. In the past it pointed forward to HIS death and Resurrection. When they resume they will point back to be a reminder of what HE did.
MESSIAH forgives 2 people of their sins (Luke 5 :20 and 7 :48) without a sin sacrifice and before HIS death. This is not a New Testament concept. Numbers 21 :4-9, Hosea 6 :6, Deuteronomy 30, 2 Chronicles 7 :14.
Forgiveness is given when the offender truly repents and has faith in YHWH.
Otherwise why does HE reject sacrifices done with the wrong motives. It’s not a magic formula to try and appease HIM. It’s about genuine faith and repentance.
Genesis 4 :2-8, Isiah 66 :1-6, Psalm 51 :16-18.
Rob, heaven and earth were represented by the Temple, heaven is the holy of holies, and the Temple passed away in AD70. Ordinances were nailed to the Cross.
The LAW "legalistic part" was nailed, Now we are to put it on Our Fleshy Hearr! That's Torah!
Speaking against TORAH is an abomination! Calling YAH/Gods instructions unrighteous..... WOW the world's turned upside Down!
@@6969smurfy No the ceremonial physical part of the temple polity has been nailed the Cross, they are in heaven, but the law remains. There are actually two statutes of the law, and only doers of the law shall be justified.
Everything missed by Christianity is the truth, but the truth is there in the NT. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity' there are 31 so far.
@simonskinner1450
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Rob, heaven and earth were represented by the Temple, heaven is the holy of holies, and the Temple passed away in AD70. Ordinances were nailed to the Cross.
*A temporary measure at best, I assure you. God in Ezekiel 37 promises that he is bringing to us another sanctuary to place in our midst when he restores the coming Davidic kingdom. In Jeremiah 33, God promises that Levites will be making sacrificial offerings again at this time, and sure enough Ezekiel 44 and other chapters of prophecy agrees. In fact, Ezekiel 40-48 are 9 chapters worth of prophetic information of how Levites are reinstated, why circumcision of both flesh and heart will be required to enter the coming temple, why Levitical feasts will be resumed in chapters 44-46 and sacrifices too. And Zechariah 14 tends to head in this direction as well, arguing that after christ returns with all the saints, even Gentile nations like Egypt will be required to come up year by year to observe the Levitical feast of Tabernacles or else there will be serious consequences if they refuse, and Zechariah 14 also speaks of future sacrificing going on as well. There are many more prophecies indicating these ideas, but Christians just kind of conveniently ignore them, not realizing that God will make kings and priests of his people in Revelation 20:6 as well, again after Christ returns in chapter 19 of Revelation which is a rather similar scene to that of Zechariah 14.
But, if you consider that like Judah of old who was exiled into Babylon and eventually came out of Babylon and rebuilt the temple under the king and priest Joshua as established in Zechariah 6. God played all this out ahead of time to prepare us for what is happening once we come out of Babylon in Revelation 18:4. Only this time around Christ is our King and High Priest in the future Davidic kingdom who restores the temple and the law. And this is why Isaiah 2:1-5 speaks of the law going forth from Zion and the result of the nations learning war no more. That’s a global accomplishment Christianity has not been able to achieve even remotely in its mostly antilaw agenda. But, in Zechariah 7, God has an answer for why we have failed to see progress like that. When we come out of Babylon, it will become evident that like the Jewish people in Zechariah 7, we have a heart like an adamant stone, because like them, we refuse to hear the law and the words God sent by his spirit through his servants the prophets. Notice, like the people of our day, they were without a temple for those 70-years of exile as well, and so their experience strongly mirrors our prophetic outcome as well, but few take the time to notice it. But, if you will notice, God intends in Ezekiel 11 and 36 to remove the stony heart of his true people: this implying that his true followers will realize the folly of rejecting his law and prophets. This might explain why those who get the victory over the beast and its image stand on the sea of glass in Revelation 15 and singng the song of Moses and the Lamb, not trying to pit Moses and the Lamb against one another as so many in Christianity are presently doing. In Ezekiel 18 God clarifies further that when the wicked turn from all of their sins and repent, they will surely live, and not die. That’s a message Christians simply do not want to hear, but it is the same chapter where God uses this explanation to identify how he plans to help us to create a new heart and new spirit in ourselves; thus, getting rid of the stony heart in the process. Instead, Christians want to hear that we are saved by grace and not of works of the law, cementing their stony heart into place, but the pastors who have not been feeding God’s flock correctly, God is not happy with them in Jeremiah 23, and so he says he will replace them with shepherds who will do right by his flock when Christ returns. And one final thing to consider is Isaiah 24:6. Look at the reasons why God says the curse will devour the earth, its inhabitants are burned and few men are left in this end time prophecy. God’s law becomes the central issue here and god is clearly not happy with what man has done to his law. This result is coming in our not so distant future, and it will be as devastating to the earth as the flood was back in Noah’s day. Only this time, God will cleanse the earth with fire rather than water. And Isaiah wasn’t the only prophet who spoke of this curse, because it comes up in Zechariah 5 as well.
Jesus said to Torah believers, "You can't serve two masters
Yea, remember that in your or most christains trinity persecutions. Torah is instruction, not a master.
Out of context, but not an ignorant observation at all. Nice
@philo…they were following the Torah of the flesh ( man made ) not the Torah of the Spirit ( which came from above and out of YHVH mouth…Got Torah Got Truth
@23:23-23:36
The only thing I disagree with you about my dear brother, is this statement here; ⤵️
"What were commands under the old Covenant, we're allowed to continue as rituals and traditions, under the New Covenant.
MY REASONING:
∆ For a Jew to PROCLAIM Faith in Christ, yet still continue in the ceremonial traditions of the Laws that Christ's ministry foreshadowed, (for example; ritual Sabbath Day keepings) demonstrates the absence of believe, that Christ did in fact fulfilled the Sabbath day ritual requirements, by becoming our ultimate sacrifice for the CONTINUALLY, UNINTERRUPTED, ONGOING Sabbath Rest, that mimics God's rest, which is the rest that Hebrews instructs us to enter into, and explicitly mentions how those who were observing the WEEKLY SABBATH, were in fact failing to enter into.
∆ For a Jew convert to Christianity to RETURN BACK, unto the subjugation of even JUST ONE, of the Mosaic law practices, is to deny the Life, Death, Burial and Resurrection, of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and places himself back in debt two damnation.
-Galatians 5: 1-4
"STAND FAST therefore in the Liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN with the YOKE OF BONDAGE".
-engaging in the practices of even one of the old rituals or ceremonial laws is to become UNCOMFORTABLY entangled.
∆ For Gentile Christians to TAKE UP any practices of the Mosaic Law, would be to nullify the ministerial work of the Life, Death, Burial and Resurrection, of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
- JUDE 4
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and DENYING the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ"
- Here we see Jude (the brother of James) warning the Church of men who were known devout Jews unto the 613 Laws of the Mosaic Covenant, who were trying to encourage Gentile Christians to implement Mosaic law keeping into their salvific walk with Christ.
-Jude refers to those who try to intermingle old law keeping with the Eternal Sabbath Rest Observances of Christians, UNGODLY, and reminding Christians that they are of the people who were delivered out of Egypt, yet (despite all of their law keeping) we're still later destroyed, because of their unbelief, thus warning Christians, not to take part in such practices that are destructive of their BELIEF.
-for Christians must avoid even the willful practices of such blasphemous traditions.
So I wholeheartedly disagree with the encouragement to still or take on practice of any aspects of the old Mosaic law, for fear of entangled ideologies, mudding doctrines, and unnecessary confusion, for those who are already "WEAK IN FAITH".
-For since Romans 14 teaches us that such things are examples of WEAK FAITH, although we are instructed not to condemn anyone salvation for such weaknesses, we aren't to encourage and invite them add here to such practices that are cultivators or definers of WEAK FAITH.
I've struggled with that, too, LG. In the end I have to go with what I believe Scripture teaches. Jesus anticipated that His Jewish followers would continue to keep the Sabbath (Matt. 24:20). No one told anyone to stop keeping the Sabbath. And Paul was happy to keep those old covenant traditions if it meant he could share the Gospel with those under the law (1 Cor. 9:19-23). In fact, in Acts 21 Paul goes to the temple and purifies himself and prepares to take a Nazirite vow. And Colossians 2 doesn't say *_"Do not do these things,"_* it says *_"Let no one pass judgment on you_* in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath." (Col. 2:16). No one told anyone to stop keeping those things. So as I see it, keeping those traditions _as traditions_ is not prohibited. Of course, keeping them because you think they save you or add to your righteousness would be wrong! But we are free in Christ to keep them if we choose.
The reason I think this is an important distinction is because (a.) its what the Bible says and (b.) we don't want Jews to think that they have to leave their Jewishness behind in order to follow Jesus. Paul didn't. The other Apostles didn't. And we don't want to place a stumbling block in front of Jews today who might come to Christ.
Blessings,
RLS
Exactly
Agreed, "exactly" 180 degrees off.
Keeping the law means you are not sinning. No need for repenting or justifying. Lawlessness will not go unpunished without repentance.
They miss”UNTILL ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED “ Christ deaths fulfilled the Law. Which both Jews to Whose the law was given. Gentiles DO NOT Have the law.
Correct! Gentiles don't have the TORAH,
Only YAHisraels,Israel, God wrestlers labled as "His Peoples" find the Torah Of Heart!
Gentiles are always labeled as the out siders that have Not found the Family structures of Thy Father ,Son, brother Sister aspect of The Family True Belivers.
Remeber the Gentile Repenting looking like the infants that don't know how to walk and Talk. Growing g into a man of YAHisrael is Thy Goal, follow the perfect Messiah, he's our example to Follow, And will give Grace alone the way, if we REpent, turn around, get back of thy path when we falter.
I have a couple of questions for you .
You are so well versed and blessed with such understanding.
I am sure you will have no problem answering such basic questions.
You preach “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins .
But stated here .
Leviticus 5:11 (KJV)
But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put [any] frankincense thereon: for it [is] a sin offering.
Flour was accepted for a sin offering no shedding of blood involved.
The other is
Deuteronomy 4:2 (KJV) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32 (KJV) What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Jesus was well versed in the old scriptures so he would know these .
So it would only be reasonable that he knew he could not add to nor take away from the FATHERS word .
My understanding is you , we , may not have the full understanding of what is being said .
We do know this
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Over time HE changes not but proven fact man does .
Well, if Christ came to change the law, Isaiah 8:20 would force us to conclude that God has judged that there is no light in him for speaking not according to the law and the testimony. Yet, John 1 refers to Christ as the light of the world. So, do Christians want us to believe he is the light of the world, hence in perfect agreement with the law and testimony as would be required under the test for true doctrine introduced by God in Isaiah 8:20, or are they trying to convince us that Christ has no light in him and that the claims of John 1 of Christ being the light of the world are a bold faced lie because they believed Christ does away with the law? Because Christ in Matthew 4:4 tells us that man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of god, and the law and the broader Old Testament for that matter that many Christians reject, contains the vast bulk of God’s words. How then can man live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God as Christ recommends, if people are trying to use Christ to abolish the very words of God in the law and the broader Old Testament writings? And how would such an attempt of twisting Christ’s words and doing that not create a situation where the godhead is a house divided against itself which christ concluded is a house that will fall? It is curious to note that those who get the victory over the Beast, its image, its mark and the number of its name, these people sing the song of Moses and the Lamb. They are not trying to create a division between Moses and the Lamb like those who do not get the victory. Perhaps this is because they took the time to recognize that Christ is the other prophet like Moses in the Messianic prophecy of Deuteronomy 18, not a prophet opposed to Moses. And that God in Deuteronomy 18 is going to hold us accountable for every word that he gives christ to speak to us-especially when Christ tells us man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, which Christians twist to mean they should abolish the words that proceed out of the mouth of God instead of doing what Christ actually recommends? In Matthew 5:17 Christ also warns us to not even so much as think that he has come to destroy the law or the prophets which Christians twist and reinterpret as Christ coming to destroy the law and the prophets, the very opposite of what Christ warns them to do. But, notice, in Isaiah 2:1-5, it isn’t until the law goes forth from Zion that the nations of the world learn war no more. The antilaw agenda of modern Christians has never gotten anywhere remotely close to producing a global outcome of peace among the nations like that. It should compel us to ask why their approach has failed, but God’s approach of reestablishing his law gets a far better result.
So, where did Christianity go wrong? Well, their woes begin by replacing Christ with Paul, not taking seriously that paul in 2Cor 12:7 admits openly that he is one who has a “messenger of Satan” in his own words, just one chapter after telling us not to marvel that Satan’s ministers are transformed into ministers of righteousness. Paul is also the one who blurts out in Acts 23:6, long after his so called conversion away from Phariseeism that he is still a Pharisee: single handedly bringing him under Christ’s warnings about Pharisees in Matthew 16 where Christ warns to beware the doctrine of Pharisees, because in Matthew 23:15 Christ is certain Pharisees like Paul make their procelites twice the child of hell than themselves, the very type of righteousness christ says we must rise above in Matthew 5:20 if we want to enterh is kingdom. How is a Pharisee like Paul who admits to having a “messenger of Satan” in 2cor 12:7 supposed to meet Christ’s requirements to enter the kingdom in Matthew 5:20? Is God really going tolet him in with his messenger of Satan? Or, when do Christians wake up and realize Paul is a boatload of trouble and the source of most of our theological problems. Because until Paul came along, no one was actively promoting this idea of changing or abandoning God’s law. But, Christians get upset when their favorite theologian Paul is found in open violation of Christ’s warnings. They don’t care that Christ has exposed Paul as a fraud. They attempt to serve Paul and Christ, but christ has already warned that a man cannot serve two masters, so what ends up happening is that every time there is a conflict between what Christ teaches and what paul teaches, they take the master they love more, namely Paul, far more seriously! When you remove Paul out of the way, what is left is a clear path to following the Good Shepherd of John 10, which is why those who are among the 144,000 who are sealed in Revelation 14 follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes, instead of following Paul and his messenger of Satan where they are leading. And this is why those who end up getting the victory in Revelation 15 also sing the song of Moses and the Lamb, not the song of Paul and his messenger of Satan which is luring people out from under the protection of god’s law in romans 6:14.
You would think Christians would have taken those red flags way more seriously before following Paul out from under the protection of God’s law in Romans 6:14: a clear teaching of Paul that violates God’s warning in Isaiah 8:20, not to mention Isaiah 8:16. God’s plan is to bind up the testimony and seal his law among his disciples, not abolish his law or bring his people out from under his law like Paul teaches. Binding up the testimony to the right hand and sealing the law in our forehead is the point of binding the law to the righthand and forehead in the law of Deuteronomy 6. Those who refuse to be sealed by god’s law simply open themselves up to taking the mark of the beast in their right hand and forehead instead in Revelation 14. They aren’t even aware God warns in Zechariah 7 that they have a heart like an adamant stone, because they refuse to hear his law and the words he sent by his Spirit through his servants the prophets. God intends to help those who are willing to take his law and prophets seriously to get rid of their stony heart in Ezekiel 11 and 36. And his plan of giving us a new heart in 18 is so offensive to Christians who run after paul, because God says that for the wicked to live they must turn from all their sins. Simply spouting that we are justified by faith and saved by grace and not of works isn’t going to cut it. That’s not how god recommends that he is helping us create a new heart and Spirit in us in Ezekiel 18. A new heart comes from genuine repentance and turning from all our sins, because rejecting God’s law, his prophets and holding on to our sin rebellion is what cements our stony heart into place. In Isaiah 30, God has Isaiah write a book to explain that this forever rebellion his people are engaged in is again centered around their refusal to want to hear is law, how they want the prophets to tell them lies and smooth things and how ultimately their goal is to cause the Most High to cease from before them. But, God has designed an incredible solution to this problem in Isaiah 24:6. Because they are transgressing his law, changing is ordinance and breaking his everlasting covenant, God will simply allow the curse to devour the earth, the inhabitants of the earth will be burned and few men left. Wel, that is an interesting outcome, because Christ warns us in Matthew 7 that broad is the way to destruction which is the path the majority of people are choosing, but narrow is the gate which leads to life and few there are who will find it. That means the overwhelmingly popular ideas on how man is saved is not where you will find the gate to life. Instead, Christ in his final message to the world in Revelation 22:12-14 says that he is coming to reward everyman as his works shall be, the very opposite of what the vast majority of Christians today teach. He says that blessed are they who keep is commandments, for they shall have right to the tree of life and enter the gates of his city, but in verse 15 everyone else who rejected his law will be stuck outside, probably wondering why spouting ideas like “We are justified by faith alone and saved by grace and not of works” didn’t actually end up saving them when push comes to shove.
@@coreybray9834
Agree
When you disagree with Paul they talk like you are rejecting the words of GOD .
They quote you a verse and start saying is that not what it says .
I tell them
You can not take one verse alone .
2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Paul was not one of the twelve but the thirteenth .
It seems 90% of the misunderstandings is from Paul’s writings.
Jesus changed no laws nor added to them .
What I can see is he came to clarify only .
@@jimharmon2300
@jimharmon2300
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@coreybray9834
Agree
When you disagree with Paul they talk like you are rejecting the words of GOD .
*You are merely rejecting the words of their god Paul, not the words of the living God though! At least, that is how I tend to view it. Well, it was Paul who blurts out he was still a Pharisee in Acts 23:6, and Christ warns us in Matthew 16 to beware the doctrine of the Pharisees, because in Matthew 23:15 Christ believes Pharisees make their procelites twice the child of hell than themselves, and that our righteousness needs to be above that of Pharisees like Paul in Matthew 5:20 if we have any hope of actually making it into the kingdom. So, if they want to follow a Pharisee like Paul and not make it into the kingdom of God, because they care nothing for Christ’s warnings and teachings, I just let them have their heart’s desire. If Christianity was doing such a great job of understanding things, you have to ask why it is that God has to call his people out of Babylon in Revelation 18:4 before this is all over. Didn’t Christ warn us that broad is the way to destruction and many there be who go down that path, but it is really the very few who find the gate to life in Matthew 7? I mean, the popular ideas of Paul in Christianity about salvation are the broad path of destruction, because you are taught by Paul to abandone the law for lawless spiritual anarchy born of his ideas of cheap grace, but God in Isaiah 8:16 says rather to bind up the testimony and seal the law among his disciples, not trash his law like the paulites do. Binding the law to the right hand and forehead from Deuteronomy 6 is how we are sealed, protecting us from receiving the mark of the beast in our right hand and forehead in Revelation 14.
Christ tells us after the cross that if we want to have access to the tree of life in Revelation 22:12-14 that he is only offering that reward to those blessed for doing the commandments, not rejecting his law. I wonder how those who think grace saves them rather than commandment keeping are going to remain alive if they have no access to the tree of life?
God has Isaiah write a book about those who commit this forever rebellion in Isaiah 30. They won’t hear the law, they don’t want to hear right things from the prophets and they want the Most High to cease from before them. Strangely, Not hearing the law and prophets is what God defines to be the condition of a heart like an adamant stone in Zechariah 7, and God is trying to prepare those who will still hear his law and prophets to remove their stony heart in Ezekiel 11 and 36, by teaching them how to create in them a new heart and a new spirit by way of his advice in Ezekiel 18: the very Advice, Christians today would have a coronary over if god himself walked into their churches and tried to explain to them what Ezekiel 18 is asking them to do to avoid dying.
Paul also admits to having a “messenger of Satan” in 2Cor 12:7 just one chapter after he tells us not to marvel that Satan’s ministers are transformed into ministers of righteousness. But, those who get the victory and stand on the sea of glass aren’t found singing the song of Paul and his messenger of Satan, but instead they sing the song of Moses and the Lamb (who just so happen to be the two prophets of Deuteronomy 18). So, I have no use for that Pharisee Paul or his messenger of Satan he couldn’t get rid of in 2Cor 12:7-10, because if he were a true apostle like those Christ chose in Luke 9:1, he shouldn’t have been having any trouble there getting rid of his messenger of Satan. Christ gave all his true apostles power over all devils, not just a few. But, Paul was lying about being an apostle too. And if God’s grace was sufficient for Paul by not taking away his messenger of Satan as was the excuse paul made, we have to wonder if Paul’s ideas of grace are worth muchif they even left him high and dry. Because real grace was not peddled as an alternative to the law in the Old Testament, but as an idea that worked in conjunction with the law properly. Faith wasn’t a competitor to the law either until Paul got his hands on it, but christ in Matthew 23 says faith is a weightier matter of the law, not something separate from the law. So, I believe God allowed Paul to infiltrate Christianity to test us to see if we were paying attention, because God in Deuteronomy 13 warned us well in advance that he would send in false prophets and such to test to see if we love him or if we will follow liars away from the worship of the Most High. Because it is Paul who insists we are no longer under the law in Romans 6:14, but god judged long ago in Isaiah 8:20 that there is no light in people like Paul who speak contrary to the law and the testimony, but christ is the light of the world in John 1, because his gospel is a complement to the law.*
Jim: They quote you a verse and start saying is that not what it says .
I tell them
You can not take one verse alone .
2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Paul was not one of the twelve but the thirteenth .
*Revelation 21 only recognizes twelve apostles of the Lamb, likely because in Matthew 19 there are only twelve seats in the regeneration designated for the twelve real apostles to rule with Christ over the twelve tribes, why would there everneed to be thirteen just to accomidate a Pharisee with a messenger of Satan like Paul??? Paul can claim he is an apostle all he likes, but christ never claims he was an apostle anywhere in Scripture, and Paul never went through any formal process like Matthias with the other apostles in Acts 1. The only way they could replace Judas was because of a prophetic Psalm that mentioned it, Psalms 109 if memory serves me. An apostle, according to Acts 1, had to be a person who was with Christ as a witness of his ministry, and Paul in 1Corrinthians 15 admits he was late to that party, one born out of due season, so he didn’t even know that he disqualified himself from being an apostle. And Paul is the only one claiming to be an apostle I am aware of that the ephesians, and all in Asia according to Paul himself when writing to Timothy, finally rejected. But, what is curious is that Christ comes back to the church of Ephesus in his message in Revelation 2, and praises them for trying those who say they are apostles and are not, but are found to be liars. I have begged people to point to others claiming to be apostles throughout history that the Ephesians rejected, and have yet to find anyone who can point out anyone else other than Paul claiming to be an apostle that the church of Ephesus rejected. Christ also tells the church of Ephesus to repent and DO THE FIRST WORKS, Paul told Ephesus in Ephesians 2:8-9 that they were saved by grace through faith and NOT OF WORKS! But, Christ’s warning to Ephesus said he would remove their candlestick if they didn’t repent and return to works, so again christ openly attack’s Paul’s ideas of how man is saved, reminding us that our works matter.*
@@jimharmon2300
Jim: It seems 90% of the misunderstandings is from Paul’s writings.
*Absolutely! When Paul couldn’t figure out how to murder Christians so easily from the outside, I believe he conjured up a false conversion story to fake his way in among the believers of Christ to do as much subtle damage to the theology as he could. But, his conversion story has issues. The bright light that blinds him in Acts 9, but not in the version in Acts 26, says he is Jesus, but Paul couldn’t really see who he was speaking with. But, Paul reminds us in 2cor 11 that Satan can appear as a being of light. So, who really thought up this idea of bringing a murderous Pharisee inside Christianity, christ or Satan? Luke wrote Acts, but Luke was not an eye witness to Paul’s conversion. Paul didn’t meet Luke until well after the first church council many years later. So, Paul could have told Luke anything he wanted, and Luke wouldn’t have known any different. And know one knows if Ananias in Acts 9 really existed, but there is another Ananias in Acts 23 that paul bows to the authority of who became the High Priest. Was this one of Paul’s friends who wrote letters to help him round up believers in Christ back in the opening verses of chapter 9 and 22 helping him put a bogas story together to infiltrate Christianity? It sure leaves one to wonder. And how did the bright light that claims to be jesus in Paul’s conversion story violate Christ’s prophecies of his second coming to come back before Christ’s second coming? Paul and a few people we don’t know sees Christ return, but when Christ returns the second time isn’t every eye supposed to see that event, or am I just crazy???*
Jim: Jesus changed no laws nor added to them .
What I can see is he came to clarify only .
*I think god has blessed you greatly that you are able to see that, because Christianity has become like some kind of Zombieland where people are helplessly attracted to Paul, and I’ve been trying to figure out why for years. I for one didn’t join Christianity to follow a Pharisee with a messenger of Satan like him. I find the Good Shepherd of John 10 and the lamb of Revelation 14 are a much better choice of someone to follow than Paul. When Paul gave in to double predestination in Romans 9, I knew immediately he wasn’t serious, nor a friend of God or the Christian people. Because if man were predestined, then Paul’s ideas of faith also go flying out the window. What would a person need faith for if God is predestining People to be vessles of glory and vessels fitted for destruction? And when Paul backs himself into a corner in Romans 9 and snaps at his reder because he doesn’t have an honest, intelligent answer to the problem he found with his own nonsense, I just lost all respect for the guy in that moment.
What I really like is that James 2:17 accuses Paul of teaching dead faith in Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9. It seems that James came to a point where he realized Paul was a problem too. I am imagining Acts 21 was the straw that broke the perverbial camel’s back where James is concerned. First Paul rejects a warning from those speaking by the Holy spirit to not go up to Jerusalem, and that had to be the readers first clue that Paul was getting himself in trouble, but Paul was sure he had a better idea than the Holy Spirit. Then he gets to Jerusalem and James tries to help him out and gets him to do a Nazzarite vow, which would have involved doing a sacrifice, and Paul doesn’t say a word about not being justified by the works of the law? Did he forget that he warned that those justified by doing the works of the law in Galatians 5 have fallen from grace according to Paul? I mean, the guy is just a trainwreck all around.
God bless you, Jim, and may he make his face to shine upon you.
@@coreybray9834
Good to hear someone with some good words .
Few and far between.
Most I hear is labeling , name calling and how I am an Antichrist.
We were warned about Paul’s writings.
May GOD bless .
The tradition given by Moses is a wonderful way to show Jewish love of God. Being a gentile and not Jewish I would consider it a grievous act of cultural appropriation were I to follow the Jewish traditions. They were given to the children of Israel by God through Moses. And they belong to the Jewish people.
Oh my, do you not know the differences between mans traditions and Thy Torah. It was Our Messiahs calling out of.mans Traditions that Got Him Murder!
YAHisrael, is thy Ones labled as "HIS PEOPLES" and its a Name "You Have To Wrestle with" Spiritual as Jacob did in thy flesh, through Messiahs Teachings,
To be One/echad is to be Come One of "HIS PEOPLES".
@@6969smurfy I was referring to the Torah given to the Children of Israel by God through Moses. They are no longer Law. They are now tradition. A wonderful way to show Jewish love for God. All sovereign authority is now invested in the King. And no one or anything else can be sovereign except the King.
@michaeldunigan1067 Torah includes al,l my friend, the 10 words! aka comandments And Torah aka "Good" (Tov) instructions , I'm not sure what your getting at? Torah was and is for "YAHs Peaples" aka
YAHisrael/Israel (Jacob, one whom has wrestled with YAH)
Halalu-YAH! : PRAISE YAH
Shabbat Shalom
YAH is Great!
@@6969smurfy Do you keep the Ten commandments? If you break one you break them all. The purpose of the Law of Moses is to sanctify the Messiah. The purpose of the Ten commandments is to sanctify the King. If you do not keep the Law perfectly from your heart it is of no use to you except to bring condemnation on you. And if you do not keep the Ten commandments perfectly they will only condemn you. At which time your only recourse is to believe the gospel. That we are saved by grace through faith trusting in the cross and the shed blood of Yeshua for our justification and for our redemption. Nothing added. Nothing taken away. Have a blessed day!
@@michaeldunigan1067TO focus so much on following the law they forget their salvation is based on our Messiah’s saving grace…and not their period stained rags of obedience.
Hi
I understand other than Judaism, the Followers of Yahusha (be it Messianic Jews or other variants) that follows Torah knows the Law on Sacrifices had been abolish when the sinless Yahusha HaMashiach was nailed on the tree/cross.
They don't follow those sacrifices practices...how they know the law exist and we should not break those law, however because Yahusha HaMashiach had cleanse our sins with His blood...we don't have to follow the portion of offering animal sacrifices...
When we say we follow Torah...yes we know the law of what is right or wrong...we must not commit the sins...buy we repent, those sins were forgiven.
Yahusha's blood atone not only those sins before His time on earth, but until His second return. (But note willful sins, grieving the Ruach HaQodesh, etc etc are not forgiven.)
If you dont understand sacrifice is about Shedding of the blood of the innocence. And not have remorse. stop teaching agaist it. Your/our sacrifice is required daily.
Think about this way.Every time we sin we are shedding His blood all over again.
The observance of the shadow of Colossians 2 cannot be both permissible and a blatant rejection of the sufficiency of Christ’ sacrifice!
I agree it cannot be both, Michael. And I don't believe observing those shadows is a blatant rejection of the sufficiency of Christ’ sacrifice. Unless, of course, one keeps them because they believe they are required for righteousness! But for those who keep them as cultural traditions or as a means to share the gospel, I don't see the problem. That's exactly what Paul did (1 Cor. 9:19-23).
Blessings,
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots
I agree that the demonstration of how these shadows work and who they pointed to are a means of sharing the gospel, but to actually sacrifice or abstain from work on the actual day of the feasts is unprofitable. Paul said in Galatians 5:2 that if one becomes circumcised according to the ceremonial ordinance, Christ would be of no value to them, so actual circumcision or actual animal sacrifice or actual abstinence of working on a feast day for the purpose of demonstrating the gospel is unprofitable.
Rob, I have told you before the Cross is not part of the temple polity, his blood was not taken to the Mercy Seat. Because the Mercy Seat is in heaven. Biblical understanding?
That is exactly what the Christ did, placed His blood on the Mercy seat in Heaven. That is why He told Mary not to touch Him until He had ascended to Heaven, He knew what must be done to fulfill all Righteousness. Only after that could He be touched. Blessings to you. ✝️🙏🏼💟
@@ShroudedinLove This not a physical fact, it is by faith in his blood, things unseen. But not at the Cross as it was only a change in covenant at the Cross, after it is matter of judgement by Christ if he sprinkles his blood on the Mercy Seat, metaphorical of course, as it is about the grace and mercy of forgiveness.
This is where Christianity has it wrong, and has many theories of atonement at the Cross, but the truth is all judgement was passed to Jesus to judge us as we die.
@@ShroudedinLove sorry, NO blood goes to Heaven, None!
"He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption." (Heb. 9:12)
@@6969smurfy It is by faith in his blood, it is symbolic, the Temple polity was a shadow of good things to come. The Mercy Seat is Jesus sitting at the right hand of God as our Judge.
Nothing fully releases you from sin without repentance-- now you have to define true repentance.
Shabbat Shalom Rob!
In Paul-ianity - Paul's letter are the only one speaking against the law...in all of the '66' - So either all the otheer authors are wrong about the law, or Paul is or..... you might have misunderstood Paul [as peter mentions]
Wait till you find out about the deutero-pauline letters
I have a request. Could you possibly comment on a rain country video for me? She's a honesteader, and is a torah followers. She spoke of her faith recently, and I challenged her beliefs. I asked her specifics, but she would not even read my posts. Instead, I was attacked by her and others, and she is leading people astray. I considered using my husband's phone to comment, but that would be lying.
She uses tassels in her hair, which I would think would be against Torah, and at the top of her skirts, which is also against Torah. They homestead in a small town so you know she isn't following Torah farming commands if not mixing seeds in a field and my guess is she doesn't give first fruits to the leader of the church they attend or let the land rest every 7 years. We let our land rest and share first fruits when we can, and we are not Torah observant but consider it a good practice.
I refuted her beliefs with verses from the epistles about no longer needing to follow the law, but she removed that comment.
I would like to see at least one person defend the fact that Torah is no longer applicable for today for Christians.
Torah believers can not work with the gospel. Jesus said if you put new wine in old bottles, they will break and the wine waste. New wine must be poured in new bottles, and the wine will preserve Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father but by me Torah believers fallow the levitical priesthood who has lost their identity and the Ark of the covenant and the temple destroyed any one who is following in that path is like a blind man who can't see where he is heading to Jesus said i am the light of the world and he that falloweth me shall not walk in darkness but will have the light of life
Oh yea, you've put words in my mouth and try to put stumbling block in my way. You speak baby talk, because you was reborn but have Never grown out of infancy.
Non of your statements Have the Right Heart in Them. For you don't know the Heart.
1 tim 1:5
Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith,
Duet 30 10
if you OBEY the Adonai/LORD your YAH/God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the .Torah/Law and turn to the Adonai/LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL.
Proverbs 3 3
Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART.
2 cor 3 3
And you show that you are a letter from Messiah/Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living YAH/God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS.
Psalms 95 10-11
For forty years I was angry with that generation, and I said, “They are a people whose HEARTS go astray, and they have not known My ways.
Ezekiel 11 19-20
And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God.
Jer 31 33
But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Adonai/Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their YAH/God, and they shall be MY PEOPLES ie YAHisrael.
Hebrews 8 7-13
Hebrews 10 16
This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Adonai/Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.”
Daniel 7 28
Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART
Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Messiah/Christ, doing the WILL of YAH/God from the HEART,
Isaiah 56 6-7
And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the Adonai/LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the Adonai/LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP THE SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT -
these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.”
~Now you.can understand~
Jeremiah 17-5
Thus says the Adonai/LORD: “Cursed is the man who "TRUST IN MAN" And makes flesh his strength, Whose HEART departs from the Adonai/LORD.
Rev 12-17 00
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God, and have the TESTIMONY of YAHshua Humasheoc/Jesus Christ”
Rev 14 12
Here is the patience of the Kadosh/qaddish/saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God and the faith of YAHshua/Jesus
Rev 22 14
Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES.
ECC 12 13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR YAH/GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
Do you know who marcion was?
Jesus said it in parables if you sew new cloth to old the rend will be worse your responses show that you are not able to distinguish the old from the new Jesus is the new priest that comes through the tribe of Judah he says John is the end of the law and the prophets the new commandments is contained in the gospel Jesus said there is no other way to enter into his kingdom he said the gospel must be preach to the lost sheeps of the house of Israel meaning the Torah believers The gospel says repent and believe thou shall be saved there is no forgiveness for sin in the Torah. A sacrifice has to be made along with a charge every time you sin and only the levites tribe is permitted by God to minister in the execution of these services but where are they @6969smurfy
@@tbishop4961 no, not much, i do not follow Man but Thy word it self, soumds like just a man that knew Greek religions that made a vengeful God, so they say? But Greeks did that, like the Dante's infernal Greek hell, God Loki's Daughter queen of thy Damned. All taught through the High Jack Hebrew scriptures they took and converted to the Latin language.
Still you mixed the Kosher and what is Biblical food laws said. Kosher in Talmud based on Torah. Talmud is a rabbinic overkill the Torah. Same what Christians do denied Torah. This whole thing is messed up. I listen but I read because everyone misinterpreting the Bible. Jews and Christians. READ THE BIBLE. PraysYAH
Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:19 he days circumcision is nothing and uncircumsion is nothing but keeping the commandments is what matter
Jesus says in Matthew 5:18
@@petermochengo8647 are you struggling with the dilemma of circumcision?
Galatians 5 VS Ezekiel 44
If you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you; Everyone who lets himself be circumcised, is forced to obey the entire law!; You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ!
44:9
Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter into my sanctuary.
Hi Peter! Is it your position that animal sacrifices for sin are still required?
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Let me answer you to the best of my biblical ability, there were sin offerings during the first and second temple and it will also be in the future temple literally, These are not my words. This is what is told by the prophets in the Tanakh, and you just have to deal with it. There is no way around it. That's why i believe that the book of Hebrews is plainly false.
How do you defend the contradiction between the book of Hebrews and the prophets of Tanakh?
@@Leon-jp7ch Hi, Leon. Respectfully, if you choose to believe the parts of the Bible that you agree with, and reject the parts that you don't, it's not the Bible you believe but yourself.
RLS
You are misunderstanding the btn the Moral Law (10 commandments)and ceremonial laws .the Moral Law they are the ones which in Matthew 5:19 talks, you honor your father and your mother,you don't kill, you don't steal,you do have no other gods apart from God
there is no "moral vs ceremonial" laws😂
Hi T. Are you suggesting there are no laws that deal with morality, and other laws that deal with ceremonies and ritual?
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots I am sure there is no such distinction made by the lawmaker
Hmmmm, I've never argued it that way. One of the things they like to say is "God never changes," to which I say "well God can change how He relates to us." They usually give me that, but then say "But God still hates pork." By the way, I'm close to Nasvhille and I'd love to take you to lunch as an appreciation. I went through your website's "Contact Me" portion and have yet to receive a response, so I thought I might reach out here. I understand things can get busy.
I didn't need to listen to more than two minutes before I realized it was just based on your incorrect view of what Hebrews believe on the subject. You just pander to your followers who havent taken the time to understand the argument any better then you, but they see you as an authority.
See, the problem with your insistence that the sacrifice of animals are an integral component of Torah is without merit and ignores many passages not only in Torah itself but the prophets as well as the right side of the book.
@@vernmiroth1626 Please lay out how "sacrifice of animals" is not an integral component. I would argue that it is as you see multiple, entire sections of scripture describe sacrifices and how they were to atone for sin and such. That seems pretty integral. Any further conversation would require addressing that claim of yours. Also, I assume you more meant this toward Brother Solberg and not me specifically, since you mentioned "pander to your followers."
Rightly dividing and dispensations.
@@josephlarrew yes, my apologies. I didn't mean to post this as a reply to you. I will repost it as a regular comment but,,for starters I would direct you to Jeremiah 7, Malachi 2 and Galatians 3
Yes, they love to use that argument. As a parent, I can say that I have changed some rules or “commandments” for my kids as they’ve grown, but not those that relate to my morals and values. My character has never changed, though I may change bed time rules, or chores, etc. These people don’t seem to know the difference between types of commandments.
If anyone of you really want Truth you have to search for it, advice dont go to church, they have some of the truth, but half the truth is still a lie 💯📖 facts are that the Torah is part of the new covenant, look up Jeremiah 31:33 in the Hebrew, book of Hebrews quotes that very scripture, Messiah himself said heaven and earth would pass before anything perished from the Torah Mathew 5:17-20, Messiah kept the Torah perfectly and said follow Me i have laid before you the perfect example, sadly people want to take away from the Father's perfect Torah, dont fall for it, NO ONE has the authority to do so , not even the Son that's why he said I do nothing of myself, of course we don't keep the Torah to earn salvation, it is the Father's instructions and will for our lives, we can only be justified through the Blood of Messiah Yeshua , but do we continue in sin that grace may abound GOD FORBID Romans 6:1-2, do we make void the Torah through faith GOD FORBID we ESTABLISH the Torah Romans 3:31, the whole point of the Torah is to point out sin, if you get rid of it we no longer are aware of these sins the Torah points out, may YAH bless you all 🙏💯♥️☝️📖
At first I felt RL was attacking Hebrew roots but he’s actually pretty fair and he even if I don’t think his arguments are always valid he certainly doesn’t run away from an argument and ultimately he’s testing scripture which is biblical.I disagree but I’m a fan of him and a fan of debates.
Ps saying animal sacrifices are required for sin does not nullify the cross. We have to read our entire Bible to understand it(Old and New Testament ) all throughout the Old Testament. We see the father telling the children of Israel that their sacrifices are not enough, and that the sacrifices of someone who is constantly sinning is detestable to him Jesus came to die because our sacrifice was not enough. He came to bring the hearts of his children back to their fathers(Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who were all known for their faith and their personal relationships with the father rather than the bureaucracy and traditions of the state) in fact most of the deciples would have continued to engage in sacrifices since we know they were heavily engaged in the community and even are noted in the Bible for going to the feasts and food laws after the death of Yeshua to claim sacrifices are unnecessary is essentially to claim greater understanding than the apostles.
Sacrifice is a legal provision for an unintentional crime. I prefer the use of the word "crime" instead of "sin", because it helps bring this situation in its correct context. Ancient Israel was a theocratic government and the Torah served as its constitution. Therefore, if the Israelite citizen were to unintentionally break a commandment, it would not only constitute a "sin" but it would represent a legal violation, i.e. a crime. Israel entered into the Covenant, through blood. The implication of this procedure is that should they break the Torah, it would warrant their immediate death. Therefore, when an Israelite committed a crime by breaking the Torah, they would essentially incur the death penalty. This record of a crime being committed, and the punishment that such an action warrants, is legally placed on the "Nefesh" (the body) of the guilty. Sacrifice was the method the Torah provides for the Israelite to remove the record of a crime from their "Nefesh" thereby removing the death penalty and restoring their legal status. After sacrifice, the Israelite returns to a legal blank slate. All of this is happening on the level of legal fiction. Nothing regarding "sin" is actually being dealt with, in the way we typically think of "sin". The Torah dealt with crime and provided methods of removing the record of crime. Yes, sin made the Israelite inclined towards crime, but all the Torah can monitor and regulate, is crime - not sin. Once the record of a crime is removed, it does not remove sin from the heart of the Israelite. The Israelite, still under sin and therefore imperfect, will inevitably struggle with their nature and come to commit a crime once again, either intentionally or unintentionally. While animals were sacrificed for crime, Jesus died for our SIN. Seen in this light, when Jesus comes back, and when the theocratic nation of Israel is restored, I do not see a conflict between the presence of Jesus in their midst, and the return of sacrifice. During the millennial reign, the Israelites who haven't been raised to life, or granted perfect immortal bodies (those who didn't take part in the first resurrection) will still occupy imperfect bodies subject to a sin nature, and intentional or unintentional crime will still be committed. If crime is still a possibility, so too, is the need for legal provision to handle that crime.
Here's another way to understand the differentiation. Imagine if a Christian speeds past a red traffic light. This is clearly illegal. But is it a sin? Well, it can be. For example, if a Christian were deliberately careless and intentionally decided to speed through a red light, by doing so, that Christian is putting themselves, and others in danger. Rather than loving their neighbor, they are putting the safety of their neighbor at risk. This is indeed a sin. While Jesus died for our sins, this does nothing to free us of our obligation to deal with the terrestrial legal consequences for breaking traffic laws and putting others at risk.
To amend your statement at the beginning, we don't sacrifice because the temple is not present, because Israel is not a theocratic nation using the Torah as its law, and because we are not citizens. If the Temple were rebuilt, and if Israel returned to a theocratic form of government to enforce the Torah, and if a Christian became a citizen of this government, well then, they would be engaging in sacrifice because this is what the Torah would require of them. In the same way, we do certain things, or comply to certain rules, such acquiring a driver's license before driving, in order to avoid breaking the law of the government in which we are under. Since the Torah was intended as the law that would govern the physical nation of Israel, it isn't appropriate to think that it applies to the Christian gentile, unless that Christian believes he is a legal citizen of the nation of Israel.
If you use the Word Crime, as Sin, that's brings the thought of Law into mind, I believe the word Law as used by the ignorant ones that do not Grasp the True intention of Torah, not to be done over a legalistic structure. But from Thy Heart. As you.meantioned.
Shabbot Shalom brother.
@@6969smurfy As already explained, the Torah is quite literally a legalistic structure, serving as the constitution for the Nation of Israel.
@iansmith9474 sorry Ian but that is religion talk. Follow HIM.
Find the Heart Matter.
tim 1:5
Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith,
Duet 30 10
if you OBEY the Adonai/LORD your YAH/God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the .Torah/Law and turn to the Adonai/LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL.
Proverbs 3 3
Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART.
2 cor 3 3
And you show that you are a letter from Messiah/Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living YAH/God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS.
Psalms 95 10-11
For forty years I was angry with that generation, and I said, “They are a people whose HEARTS go astray, and they have not known My ways.
Ezekiel 11 19-20
And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God.
Jer 31 33
But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Adonai/Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their YAH/God, and they shall be MY PEOPLES ie YAHisrael.
Hebrews 8 7-13
Hebrews 10 16
This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Adonai/Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.”
Daniel 7 28
Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART
Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Messiah/Christ, doing the WILL of YAH/God from the HEART,
Isaiah 56 6-7
And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the Adonai/LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the Adonai/LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP THE SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT -
these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.”
~Now you.can understand~
Jeremiah 17-5
Thus says the Adonai/LORD: “Cursed is the man who "TRUST IN MAN" And makes flesh his strength, Whose HEART departs from the Adonai/LORD.
Rev 12-17 00
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God, and have the TESTIMONY of YAHshua Humasheoc/Jesus Christ”
Rev 14 12
Here is the patience of the Kadosh/qaddish/saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God and the faith of YAHshua/Jesus
Rev 22 14
Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES.
ECC 12 13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR YAH/GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
My answer is yes. Sin sacrifices are required for temple worship. In Hebrews 9:9-10 it says that the washing do not perfect the conscience of the worshipper. So you asked what does Christ sacrifice accomplish. It perfects the conscience of the worshipper. Temple sacrifices deal with regulations for the body(flesh) until the time of reformation, that is the resurrection IMO. A couple of verses to think about. After the resurrections Paul made sin sacrifices at least once and intended to do so a second time before getting arrested. Consider: acts 18:18. Paul had his head shaved/shorn/cut because of a vow. The only vow that requires the head to be shaved that I know of is the nazirite vow. He also outrightly took the nazirite vow in acts 24:23-24 to specifically show that he himself “lived in observance of the law”. A nazirite vow requires a sin sacrifice among others. Also consider that when the high priest struck Paul, Paul called him a whitewashed wall. When it was pointed out that he was a high priest, Paul backed off saying we wouldn’t have spoken evil of a regular of his people. Priests were valid to Paul after the resurrection. And another thing to consider is Hebrews 8:4. Of Christ were on earth he would not be Priest at all because there are priests that offer gifts according to the law”. The priesthood is valid because the temple was still standing.
Until all is accomplished. That was your answer about Matt 5:18. I can only assume you mean that Jesus said it is finished on the cross. All is not accomplished just because he said it is finished. Accomplished and finished are different words in the Greek. Accomplished is ginomai and finished is teleo. Accomplished matched rev 21:1-6 specifically verse six where he says it is done-ginomai. This is where heaven and earth pass away. Like he says in Matt 5. If you’re saying he has already accomplished everything then why are we waiting for him to come back? He has to come back. There are still prophecies to be fulfilled in his second coming don’t you think
You must read Hebrews 10, with a focus on verse 14, and then 29.
If you return to animal sacrifice to cover sin, then you are profaning the blood of the Lord.
Jesus said "it is FINISHED" before He gave up His Spirit on the cross.
It is finished. I pray that you understand the Gospel that saves and the shed blood that redeems. Without it, you are lost.
@@ShamelesslyRed for by a single offering he has perfected all.. are you perfect right now? Do you still sin? One day you will be perfect and not sin anymore. If you read my comment you will see that Paul sis the sin sacrifices and was advised to do them. You will see that priests offer sacrifice in the earthly temple. They are valid priests so much so that even if Christ were on earth he would not be priest at all. Chapters 8 and 9 come before chapter 10 and we just take it all into account. Are you concluding that Paul was lost? How about James who told us to do the vow offering. See numbers 6 to see all that is entailed in a nazirite vow that they told Paul to do with other new believes who were all zealous for the law.
@davelyn786 the righteousness of Christ is what perfects. It's not you at all. The shed blood of Christ cleanses and redeems. This is how those who belong to Christ are perfect now. Those who belong to Him, are seated in heavenly places NOW. You are confusing justification and sanctification.
It is CHRIST ALONE that faith is found. Not in your ability to sin less than your neighbor or brother. It is the Holy Spirit that seals us and dwells with us. One must only ask themselves if they intimately know the inner witness of the Spirit. It is Christ IN US. Take your eyes of yourself and sin and live to Christ who has conquered sin, death and the grave. If you doubt this, then you live in unbelief, so sayeth the Word of God.
No man will stand before God justified by keeping the law. Become a better student and stop listening to false teachers.
@@ShamelesslyRed I hear your heart. I understand what you are saying. I’m not downplaying Christs work. It is because of Christs work that we can live righteous lives. Not perfect lives though. You’re right , the spirit seals us and dwells within us. Can we not quench the spirit? The spirit is what causes us to obey and reminds us of what his word says. There will be leases in the kingdom and there will be greats in the kingdom. Some are given ten talents and do a lot with it and some are given one talent and do nothing with it. They were both servants to the one who gave it to them and one was found to be wicked because he did nothing with it. I’m not fixing my eyes on myself. I have my eyes fixed on the word of God and Christ is his word. Christ loved it our perfectly and he is our example. His commandments are a lamp and his law is light prov 6:23 (teaching in that verse is Torah in Hebrew). We ought to walk in the light and not in darkness. Sin is darkness. Do not be deceived whoever practices righteousness is righteous 1 John 3:7. To abide in Christ is to obey the commands 1 John 3:24 and the keeping the commandments is our expression of love to him John 14:15. So the lie is that you can be a believer and you don’t have to obey because Christ obeyed. The Bible teaches the exact opposite. You’re not forsaking Christ because you obey all the commands you are able to obey. If you are able to obey you should. If you are not able to obey he will not hold it against you. But one day we will walk through fire and the fire Will test the work WE have done. We get in because of Christ. He is the foundation but how are we building on that foundation? With Gold, silver, and precious stones or with wood, hay, and stubble? You will be saved and yet suffer loss 1 cor 3:11-15. I just want to be the best example and ambassador of Christ I can be here on earth and I want that for all believers.
Hehehe scholar? read this. This is you are not read correctly: "Lev 1:2
(KJV) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the Lord, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock." Why are you never read correctly. Here is for you something: "If any man" - The if is: כִּי - kî - kee! Otherwise no temple no priest but in Hebrews 6,7,8 telling you Yeshua become the high priest, also you forget the spiritual sacrifice, means pray, and keep the law from your heart. Otherwise not all Laws and prophet was fulfilled by Yeshua that time. 2nd coming and more still remaining. One more thing. Do you think way better celebrate Easter than Passover? Easter is in the Bible? Do you readied what God said: "Deut 12;29-32 When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it." I think Im done with you. God Bless PraysYAH
If nothing else, the Father proved his faithfulness through death and resurrection. Now people make their own stories, based on their twisting of scripture. Teaching the breaking of law is condemned many places in scripture.
Christ did not come to do away with the law, he fulfilled it giving it more purpose. The apostate teachers say he did do away with it--Christ is the way(Torah), so we are not to reject him.
This is silly the levitical law is done away with and Jesus is high priest now. I think you're misrepresenting the viewpoint.
Hi, Purr View! Believe it or not, that is the actual viewpoint of 119 Ministries. Their video (which I linked to in this video description) ends with the following conclusion:
"In conclusion, animal sacrifices are all about having a relationship with God on earth through the Temple service. In addition to bringing about ritual purity, they teach us about the holiness of God and also foreshadow God’s plan of redemption through Messiah. They haven’t been done away with. There’s no way to perform them right now due to the fact that there’s no Temple in Jerusalem, but they will be reestablished during the Millennial Reign."
Shalom,
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots thank you for sharing
Hallelujah
both parties are confused. All isn’t fulfilled… it’s prophecies about Yah second coming, which obviously hasn’t happened yet.
Also heaven an earth hasn’t passed yet, obviously.
A lot of people get hung up on the “until ALL is accomplished” part.
All will eventually be accomplished, but that doesn’t mean all at one time.
Yah is the only sacrifice we need, but what’s the point of the sacrifice or the reason for the sacrifice?
you guys get so caught up in the physical aspect of the law that y’all forget the spiritual aspect of it, because the law is spiritual.
Christ is our sacrifice forever, so the law or the need for sacrifices is still here, (we repent daily and need that blood, also new ppl coming to Yah need the blood as well )
the point of the law is the sacrifice… because if the law is gone away there’s no point of Christ. We need Christ to fulfill that part of the law.
No jot or title is removed from the sacrificial law… that law requires a sacrifice Christ is that sacrifice forever.
All is accomplished-
John 19:28, 30
John 17:4
@@beckyfrechette4439 all things he had to do in his earthly body, yes.
But its more prophecies Yah has to fulfill like his second coming.
Your first option is a bust, because to suggest the sacrificial portion of the law was done away with would be an utter denial of what Christ is teaching in Matthew 5:18-especially in light of the fact that heaven and earth does not pass away until well into our future according to Revelation 21:1. Furthermore, Christ warns us in verse 17 to not even think that he has come to destroy the law which is a further provision you skipped over here as you chose to think he came to destroy the law-at least in part. But, Christ didn’t disturb a single jot or tittle of the law at his first coming. If he had, he would have been an imperfect sacrifice with no light in him according to Isaiah 8:20, another provision you conveniently skipped over here. And if we focus on the phrase “until all is accomplished” as you suggest, we know perfectly well all was not accomplished at Christ’s first coming.
For example, and this is by no means exhaustive: None of the fall feasts of Leviticus 23 were fulfilled back at Christ’s first coming. Only the Spring feasts up through Pentecost in Acts 2 was fulfilled at Christ’s first coming, leaving Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles to be fulfilled at or around the time of his second coming (thus giving more weight to the discussion raised in Zechariah 14 of why everyone is being required to keep Tabernacles after Christ returns). And it would be trivial to demonstrate other portions of the law which have yet to be fulfilled-especially the gathering of the people promised in Deuteronomy 30 which Christ himself admits in Matthew 23 he was not able to accomplish back at his first coming, but points forward to occur at his second coming in Matthew 24: a task he hands over to his angels to gather the people from one end of heaven to the other.
Please stop sending people to the lake of fire forever and ever. The parable of lazar and the rich man in luke 16 says that because the rich man mistreated lazar, instead of hearing mosheh and the prophets, he went to hell, and even if someone rises from the dead and warns people about hell, they still will not repent, if they will not hear mosheh and the prophets. The new covenant standard of repentance is mosheh and the prophets. Mosheh and the prophets teach us how to treat others how the bible says to treat them. The gospels say that however you treat the least of these, you treat yeshua, and that will decide if you go to heaven or the lake of fire forever and ever.
2 peter 3:14-18 in the Syriac Aramaic says that if we are deceived by those who are outside the law, we can lose our souls and go to hell. Peter wrote this after Paul's writings and told us that those who bend and twist Paul's writings and the rest of the bible are called the deceivers who are outside the law.
Acts 6:13-14 identifies those who teach that yeshua or his disciple changed the law of mosheh, are false witnesses.
Acts 25 & 24 state that paul denied ever teaching against the law of mosheh and circumcision.
You read the Pauline paradox, so you know that the dogma was abolished on the cross, not the law. But your book said that the law is abolished. That is not the word used in the bible.
Zephaniah 3:1-5 identifies false prophets and wolves as those who trample and do not follow the law of mosheh. Matthew 7:13-15 warns us about the wide way to hell and the wolves.
You teach mainstream theologies invented by the catholic church. Not a narrow strict path that leads to life. You taught that the way is wide, a wide swath of grace.
You have a serious unresolved problem here. You have made the case in the writings of Paul and the unknown author of Hebrews that Christ has died once for all for sins, and there is no more offering for sins. Yet, for some strange reason, man is still dying off for nearly 2,000-years after the fact. Why? If Christ has fully atoned for our sins, why would we need to continue to needlessly die for sins which are fully atoned for??? Do you think god just enjoys watching us suffer and squirm or is it possible you are not telling us the whole truth here? So, it’s not just 119 Ministries that is forced into the corner here of being the only ones needing to explain why Christ went to the cross. Your own explanaition leaves a lot to be desired on that front as well.
Secondly, you are at least partly right in your idea that the sacrificial system ceased at the cross, because Daniel 9:24-26 clearly indicates that when Messiah is cut off the sacrifice and oblation would cease. Unfortunately for your view, Daniel is not the only prophet that had something to say along these lines. In Ezekiel 37, God has made it clear that when he restores the Davidic kingdom he will once again place his sanctuary in the midst of his people. Thus, as we might expect, another earthly sanctuary will be introduced when Christ returns. And Ezekiel 40-48 goes into 9 chapters worth of details as to what will happen when that time comes. Also, Ezekiel 44 and Jeremiah 33 remind us that God has not forgotten his salt covenant of Numbers 18 with the Levites, and we find in these end time prophecies that the Levitical order will be reinstated in its priestly function in the coming temple under the restored Davidic kingdom. Ezekiel 40-48, Jeremiah 33 and Zechariah 14 also point forward to future animal sacrifices being made in the coming Davidic kingdom. That would appear to suggest that the ceasing of the sacrifices and oblations prophecied to occur at the cross in Daniel 9:24-26 was at most a temporary halting of the sacrificial system here on earth, seeing we have no earthly temple today, not an utter abolishment of the sacrificial system. And if you argue that the questionis not simply that we can’t physically carry out the sacrifices today, but that God doesn’t want us doing that anymore, the fact that God is the one prophecying of his intentions of bringing the sacrifices back really calls your logic into question here.
But, let’s consider the history of the matter for a moment. And this was not new in Christ’s day either, because Israel had already gone through a time back in Nebuchadnezzar’s days when the temple was destroyed, and the sacrificial system was halted at that time as well. But, the moment the temple was rebuilt the sacrificial system resumed. And even earlier than that in 2Chronicles 29 the temple was out of use for a time back then as well during its pollution, and it would have been unlawful to reinstitute temple services until after the temple was purified of the pollution brought into it. So, we know that God is aware that when the temple is polluted or there is no temple, the portions of the law associated with earthly sacrifices requiring an earthly sanctuary would be difficult to comply with. But, the moment God introduces his sanctuary in our midst again, every indication is given in prophecy to suggest that animal sacrifices are returning in our not so distant future.
But, even before then, we find that certain torah sanctuary protocols are clearly being carried out in the heavenly sanctuary, such as in the case of the offering up of the incense with the golden censor on the golden altar in Revelation 8, or Christ presenting himself as a slain lamb in Revelation 5, or the smoke filling the sanctuary in heaven as on the day of atonement in Revelation 15-16 and so on. What would heaven need a golden altar for, or a golden censor, for example, unless the sacrificial laws pertaining to the sanctuary originated in the heavenly model after which Moses made a copy of the earthly sanctuary in Sinai? Sorry, but the law was never done away with, and the sacrificial system never was brought to a true end. The law is simply presently operating under the more original heavenly sanctuary model and Christ is personally representing the sacrifice as in Revelation 5 presently, standing before his Father as a slain Lamb in perfect compliance with the law, presenting his blood on our behalf. So, could it be the real reason why the sacrifices are temporarily halted is because Christ is presently representing those sacrifices during this second major temple era in prophecy, being he is both the sacrifice and the High Priest, but eventually he steps out from between God and man to return to earth to make war in Isaiah 59, Zechariah 14 and Revelation 19, bringing us back under yet another third temple era in the coming Davidic kingdom where animal sacrifices are resumed. In fact, even Christ is portrayed as the prince over the Levites in Ezekiel 44-46 who also engages in performing animal sacrifices.
But, here is the question that Christians aren’t asking that is so critical. If Christ fully atoned for our sins back at the cross, why would the author of Hebrews imagine Christ needs to become a High Priest after the fact to ever live to make intercession for us in Hebrews 7:25? Why would he need to everlive to make intercession for us for sins which are already completely atoned for? The only way his intercession after the fact is going to work is if you shift to the argument of suggesting that either no actual atonement was made on the cross, or only a partial atonement took place on the cross. The four gospels claim Christ died during Passover, not on the final day of atonement. And when a sacrifice is being killed and its blood is used for atonement purposes, it must be used on the altar for that purpose according to God in Leviticus 17. But, the blood of the Passover Lamb is never instructed to be used on the altar to make atonement. When the original Passover instruction was given in Exodus 12, there was no sanctuary or altar back in Egypt for Israel to make an atonement with the blood on. Instead, they put the blood on the door of their dwellings. In like manner, we find at no time in any of the four gospels, or the broader New Testament for that matter, that Christ’s blood on Passover after his death was taken into the earthly temple and used to make an atonement on the altar there either. So, it would appear that any atonement being made by Christ comes much later, after he ascended back to his Father. And seeing that there is a final day of atonement before the judgment in Revelation 15-16, the process of atonement continues onward until the scapegoat of Leviticus 16 bears the sins of the people out of the camp to never return. Well, that has clearly never happened and is yet another portion of the law needing to be fulfilled. How do we know the sins are still in the camp, Christians are still complaining about the sin which torments them, and they are still dying because of sin, that is how we know conclusively the sin has not yet been removed from our midst to fulfill the prophetic implications of the Day of Atonement service in Leviticus 16. When the sin is removed, there is no more a causal agent of death, because the wages of sin is death. Those who are truly free of sin would also be equally free of suffering and death. And suffering and death simply did not cease after the cross. And so, it becomes evident that we are still undergoing the process of atonement which has not yet reached a point of completion. So, again, this explains why christ will not let any jots and tittles pass from the law until all has fulfilled.
Your question of why Christ had to go to the cross is really at the heart of the issue here, because how you answer that question is going to weigh heavily on how you view verses like Matthew 5:18. If God could abolish his law, then there would be no need to send Christ to the cross. God could simply abolish his law and sin itself would immediately cease to exist. Clearly, that did not happen. Alternatively, God could simply forgive a repentant sinner, but the idea of God doing that is troublesome to Christians. They prefer to view God as the merciless one and themselves as the victims in all of this, victims of his law. So, instead, they maximize God’s justice, arguing that we have offended a God of infinite justice, making God completely merciless in the process of resorting to such a description of God, ignoring that in the heart of his law is a mercy-seat. They insist his law is only there to condemn, ignoring Exodus 20:6 is a mercy clause which sits in the very heart of the ten commandments themselves. Once they get you to believe the lie that God is merciless and that nothing you can do will ever please God, because infinite justice is beyond our finite capability to satisfy, then Christians brew up this idea that a Substitute needs to be judged and punished in your place. This is where things go from morally disasterous to morally catastrophic. The once defined God of infinite justice who can’t allow any breech of justice is next portrayed by Christians as falsely charging Christ with your sins, the first violation of justice, and then putting Christ to death in cold blood to pay for your sins that everyone knows Christ did not commit, the second open violation of justice. Even the solution Christians offer up cannot satisfy the silliness of infinite justice, but they don’t care about morality or even accurate thinking, all they care about is victimizing someone else to save their own skins, because that is what wicked opportunism is truly all about. But, wait, it gets better.
So, after insisting Christ is their Substitute, judged and punished in their place, destroying God’s righteous reputation as a judge because of the former two stated injustices in the process, then we find Christians living after the cross didn’t stop dying. This should be the sobering slap across the face and wake up call that something is drastically wrong. The whole point of making Christ our Substitute is so that we don’t have to die for our sins, but we continue to die anyway, suggesting quite obviously that Christ was not the Substitute we hoped he was. But, Christians don’t want to wake up to reality, so they keep insisting that Christ is their Substitute, but does it really take God nearly 2,000-years to figure out that your sins were paid for and you don’t need to die for them anymore after the fact? At some point, even the most persistant advocates of Substitutionary Atonement Theology will be forced to realize they are all wet here. God makes it exceedingly clear why in Ezekiel 18:1-4 as he points out that he will need to explain to humanity how righteous judgement actually works and why only the soul that sinneth, it shall die, not the innocent. This is the problem God intends on clearing up before this is all over with, because what Christians are suggesting is so morally repugnant and wrong it is surprising more people aren’t calling theologians and pastors out on the carpet for teaching such nonsense. Christ didn’t go to the cross to pay for anyone’s sins. God isn’t merciless either, and has always possessed the right and authority to forgive a repentant sinner, provided they actually show a willingness to repent of their sins. And God’s law was never the problem either. The fact that a mercy clause is found in his law in Exodus 20:6 is the evidence that theologians are simply lying through their teeth when they insist his law can only condemn us. Meanwhile, God is saying their refusal to hear his law is the very condition of a heart like an adamant stone in Zechariah 7, the very condition of a stony heart God is trying to remove from his true followers in Ezekiel 11 and 36.
So, why did Christ really go to the cross??? To answer the question raised by the strong angel in Revelation 5 of “Who is worthy”. Because the very act of sin rebellion forces sinners, and especially the author of sin, Lucifer himself, of doubting God’s qualifications as a righteous judge. So, when Adam and Eve fell, joining Lucifer’s sin rebellion against God, this complicated matters considerably. If a sinner believed God was truly righteous, they wouldn’t hesitate to repent and acknowledge their own unrighteousness and turn back to obedience to the law of God. Sure, Christians might acknowledge their own unrighteousness, but they don’t like that part of going so far as to actually obey God’s law. That is because they are still holding on to their stony heart.
To answer the questionof who is worthy in Revelation 5, Christ came to have his character tested unto death. Christ did this in submission to his Father, and instead of lashing out at his enemies who sought to murder him, he instead asked his Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. An infinitely just God could not utter those words, because those are merciful words, and infinite justice leaves no room for mercy. God, however, is capable of exhibiting both justice and mercy, depending on what the situation calls for. And the fact that he is willing to suffer a brutal death at the hands of his enemies, instead of lashing out at them with a grand display of power, shows that Christ is not compromised in his righteousness by harboring even an iota of hidden depravity in his character. Christ’s example testifies of the words of Zechariah 4:6, “Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit…” Christ didn’t overcome his enemies with might or power, but by commending his spirit into his Father’s hands out of trust, showing that despite all the power at Christ’s disposal, even when his very life is threatened he prefers to resort to a loving, merciful disposition towards his enemies instead. This is why God only resorts to the use of executive justice to destroy Lucifer and the wicked at the end of the sin controversy. Justice of such far reaching implications is a last resort for God, not something he seeks to do to make things easier or convenient for himself. And when all of heaven realized the extent of how righteous Christ truly is for enduring the cross, they broke out in a New Song in Revelation 5 declaring “Worthy is the Lamb”. And that is the primary reason why Christ went to the cross, to vindicate his own character so that when he judges the matters of the sin controversy, no one can say he is an unrighteous judge. That’s why this is a “New Song”, because until Christ went to the cross, the universe couldn’t be certain God was as righteous as he was claiming to be.
You make two errors.
1) Jesus was not an unwilling participant in his crucification.
John 10:17-18
For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
No one took Jesus life from him. He willingly died for you and me.
2) He died bearing our sin.
Isaiah 53:5-6
But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
The atoning sacrifice, the scapegoat, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Throughout the old and new testaments we find the just suffering for the unjust.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also m suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit
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You make two errors.
*You could only find two? Well, let’s see what you turned up.*
1) Jesus was not an unwilling participant in his crucification.
*I didn’t take any solid position on whether or not Christ was actually willing or unwilling to die, because it isn’t all that relevant to the discussion. I know a lot of people have this idea that Christ was jumping at the opportunity to be crucified, but his willingness was a bit more nuanced than that in the gospel accounts. Before he conceded to his Father’s will in the matter, he asked his Father if it were possible to remove the cup he was about to partake of from him initially.
Luk 22:41
And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
Luk 22:42
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luk 22:43
And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
Luk 22:44
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
You don’t sweat blood when you are overly happy about doing something. You sweat blood and ask God to remove the cup when you are undergoing an amazing amount of mental anguish over having to face something you don’t really want to have to go through with. So, christ’s willingness was more out of his recognizing the necessity of the trial he came to face, not so much something he was looking forward to do with a heart filled with joy over the decision. Christ knew that if he didn’t go to the cross, it wouldn’t be possible to clear his name in light of the accusations Lucifer was raising against the members of the Godhead. Remember, Lucifer is the “accuser of the brethren” in Revelation 12 who is cast down shortly after Christ is caught up to his Father. The engagement on the cross was not to pay for sins, it was to provide the evidence that Christ was worthy to clear his name so Lucifer could be cast out of heaven in the battle that insued after Christ’s resurrection and ascention. Lucifer didn’t want to leave willingly, and so war erupted in heaven as Revelation 12 explains in rather clear detail. But, Lucifer was eventually cast into the earth.
As for forgiving sins, Christ admits in Matthew 9 that he already had power to forgive sins long before going to the cross. It was one of the teachings of christ which most offended the Jews as Christ was forgiving sins left and right before the cross. Even Christians don’t really believe his claims there in Matthew 9. And by verse 13, Christ even instructs his followers to go learn what it means that he will have mercy and NOT SACRIFICE! God’s Mercy is obtained through repentance, not through sacrificing. But, Christians don’t like that idea, because they don’t really understand why sacrifices are necessary if Christ was clearly able to forgive sins. So, instead of doing as Christ asked and learning what he instructed Christians to go research in Matthew 9:13 which is a teaching derived from Hosea 6:6, Christianity instead started suggesting that a sacrifice was some kind of payment for sins. But, mercy forgives sins, it doesn’t demand a payment via a sacrifice which should have been exceedingly obvious from Exodus 20:6: the central mercy clause God stated in his law. So, let’s look at those verses you provided below.*
You continue: John 10:17-18
For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” No one took Jesus life from him.
*If that were true, then Christ wasn’t killed, but he committed suicide on the cross. Fortunately, christ comes back and clears the air on this matter in Matthew 16 with more critical insights
Mat 16:21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Okay, so christ knows he will be killed by others. So, there is clearly more here than initialy meets the eye in the passage you provided from John. But wait, Christ isn’t done clearing the air, he makes an even stronger statement on this matter and clarifies further who will murder him.
Mat 20:17
And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
Mat 20:18
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
Mat 20:19
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
But, Christ is still not finished. He even gives us a parable about how his murderers will kill him and has them explain to him how they will be punished to drive the point, before he warns them why they will lose the kingdom of heaven to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof in Matthew 21.
Mat 21:33
Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
Mat 21:34
And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
Mat 21:35
And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Mat 21:36
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
Mat 21:37
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mat 21:38
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39
And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:40
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
Mat 21:41
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Mat 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
According to their own decree, Christ tells them their punishment for murdering him, and Even Stephen characterises the matter as them murdering christ to in Acts 7.
Act 7:52
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
So, what christ was trying to get at in the verse from John you provided is that no one could force the issue without christ’s consent and just take his life. Once Christ allowed himself to be put to death, however, that opened the door to all these other verses where Christ explains how others would in fact kill him.*
You continue: He willingly died for you and me.
*I have never said he was unwilling to die for us. I have expressed a disliking for the particular view of the crucifixion called Substitutionary Atonement, because it paints god as an unrighteous judge. God does not falsely charge Christ with our sins, nor does God have his own Son murdered to pay for man’s sins either. His own law would reject both those injustices which makes the whole model of Substitutionary Atonement a mockery of the very ideas of justice it pretends to uphold.
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You continue: 2) He died bearing our sin.
Isaiah 53:5-6
But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
*So, all you are showing me here is a perspective god has provided of what certain people viewing the cross thought about it. That’s not the same thing as showing me God’s personal view of what god believes happened at the cross. God is not a “all we” like sheep going astray. God is righteous and does not go astray. So, this is an accurate prophecy in the sense that it is a portrait of how some viewing the cross would interpret its meaning, but that is not conclusive proof God agrees with their assessment any more than it is conclusive proof that god agrees with Lucifer’s accurately recorded perspective in Isaiah 14, or another group speaking in Isaiah 63 that god responds to and rebukes in Isaiah 64. So, using Isaiah 53 to explain what actually transpired with Christ on the cross is a bit dubious once that cat is out of the bag-especially when it comes to folks like me who are well aware that the person speaking changes later in Isaiah 53 from “we” and “our” to “I” when God starts expounding on his thoughts instead of portraying man’s thoughts above.*
You continue: The atoning sacrifice,
*What about it? Just saying there is an atonement sacrifice doesn’t tell us anything new. Nor does it explain why an atonement sacrifice is even needed or when it actually applies to boot, for that matter-especially in light of Matthew 9:13 where christ is offering mercy and NOT SACRIFICE to those who repent of their sins. So, I am not saying that there will never be an application of Christ’s sacrifice as an atonement, but I don’t tend to view his death on Passover as an atonement, because there is no basis for it in the Passover instruction in Exodus 12. His blood was not placed on the altar in the earthly temple, so it didn’t meet God’s stated requirement there for atonement either when employing a slain sacrifice.
Lev 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Now, you might argue, but Christmakes an atonement after his resurrection in the heavenly sanctuary, but that just proves my point that the cross itself was not an act of atonement taking place in God’s sanctuary. Atonement begins after the cross, and some time after Christ enters the heavenly sanctuary after his resurrection and ascention back to his Father and begins his Daily Ministration (symbolized by the Continual morning and evening sacrifices). And the Final Atonement won’t come until much later, because Christ only fulfilled the Spring feasts of Leviticus 23 at his first coming, ending with the outpouring of the Holy spirit on Pentecost in Acts 2. The fall feasts: trumpets, the final day of atonement and Tabernacles are all events which are fulfilled closer to the second coming. Trumpets being discussed in Revelation 8-11, the Final atonement occuring in Revelation 16 and 20, and Tabernacles after Christ returns in Zechariah 14. So, when Christians argue that all was fulfilled at the cross and atonement is completed, they are just ignoring numerous prophecies which explain they are missing the point.
If the sin has left the camp of god’s people, as would be required in Leviticus 16 for a completed atonement, then how is it we are still dealing with sins and dying almost 2000-years after the cross??? There is no sin in the camp in Leviticus 16 once the scapegoat bears it out of the camp. That’s the point of atonement. It is the act that separates sin from God’s people. It is not a payment for sin. That is why the most expressive act of atonement is when the record of sin leaves the camp having been confessed by the High Priest over the head of the scapegoat. That only happens when god finally banishes Lucifer out of the camp and sends him away with the complete record of the sin rebellion he caused. That is why Lucifer is locked away in the pit in Revelation 20:1-3 by a strong angel with a great chain. A similar thing happens to the scapegoat in Leviticus 16 who is bound and lead away by a fit man never to return into the camp. His banishment is eternal, and this is why Lucifer even after the thousand years never makes it back into the camp during the final battle of gog and Magog, because even in early Israelite times, the scapegoat was taken across Jordan and marked so that it was never let back into the land of Canaan, although, later traditions found the Israelites killing the scapegoat, but that was more their addition, not something god instructed them to do, because Lucifer doesn’t immediately die when he is first banished out from the camp of believers.*
You continue: the scapegoat, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
*You are right in saying christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, because christ is the one who takes the sins from us, at some point after his Passover and also his resurrection because sins are not confessed over the Passover Lamb and the blood of the Passover is never instructed to be used in the sanctuary to make atonement, but there are other lamb sacrifices which come after Passover which might apply in that respect. And the reason he takes our sins away is to deal with the record of sins in the sanctuary, presenting our case before the Father over those issues of sin in the heavenly sanctuary, clearing us prior to the Day of Atonement. On the Day of Atonement, however, the final application of christ’s atoning work ends with the slaughtering and application of the blood of the Lord’s Goat. Leviticus is exceedingly clear that the Lord’s goat is the goat chosen for the people, not the Scapegoat. The Scapegoat is chosen for departing, because this goat represents Lucifer’s being formally charged for his involvement in teaching and provoking man to sin against God before he is banishd from the camp, never to return. Christ cannot be the Scapegoat for the simple fact that Christ returns into the camp of believers, he is not forever banished never to return again. So, Atonement can’t be truly completed until around the time of the Second coming.*
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You continue: Throughout the old and new testaments we find the just suffering for the unjust.
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also m suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit
*Suffered for sins in what way though? You see, if Christ is a Substitute paying for our sins in our place with his death, that will just raise the obvious question of why man is still dying for sins Christ already paid for. The whole point of a Substitute dying in your place is so that you don’t have to. So, clearly, the fact that we are still dying after the fact either means God rejected the Substitutionary Payment, or christ was never a Substitute paying for sins in the first place. And in that respect, it helps to note that god in Ezekiel 18 openly reminds us that he isn’t in the business of falsely charging and murdering the innocent, but the soul that sinneth it shall die instead.
Eze 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Clearly, god is not in favor of the just dying for the unjust in terms of paying for sins. God’s position is that if man wants to live and not die for his sins, he must turn from all his sins. But, God knew man would accuse god of wrong judgment for holding this position, and states this openly.
Eze 18:25
Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
Eze 18:26
When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Eze 18:27
Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28
Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
If god walked into a Christian church today saying that,they would attempt to crucify him again just for even hinting that idea. But, god even knows that after explaining this outright, his people wil not want to hear this truth, and will still reject it, and so god continues explaining how this is the path to creating in us a new heart and spirit through this teaching for anyone who can hear it.
Eze 18:29
Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
Eze 18:30
Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
Eze 18:31
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
You see, the central goal of Ezekiel 11, 18 and 36 is for God to help us get rid of our stony heart and receive this new heart in its place so we will be fit for the New covenant, resolving the problem of a heart like an adamant stone god addresses in Zechariah 7, but Christians fight this process every step of the way, because they don’t want to believe they are responsible for repenting and turning from their sins. Yet, in Matthew 9:13, Christ said his reason for coming the first time was to call sinners to repentance. That is the primary foundation of the gospel and how we obtain God’s mercy. Christians want to insist instead that atonement is about Christ paying for their sins. But, if what christ was after was a simplistic payment for sins, he could have had Adam and Eve erect a cross outside of Eden and gotten that out of the way centuries before Christ’s first coming. And with Adam and Eve’s sins paid for, there would have been no need to drag humanity into this mess. Unfortunately, there is no payment for sins. Christ is not a Substitute, and that isn’t what it means to make an atonement for sin. Atonement is the process of separating you from sin, so that God can dwel among us without us dying in his presence.
@@coreybray9834 Jesus did bare our sin upon himself. You say this is unjust, and you are right! Justice is that we die for our own sins. Not an innocent animal, and certainly not Jesus.
1 Peter 2:24
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
Galatians 5:21
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 5:8-10
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
Philippians 3:9
and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith
If righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose:
Galatians 2:20-21
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin. They cannot be separated. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Self-righteousness and a love of sin are both pride. The former thinks his righteousness is good enough for God's perfect standard. The later is in rebellion to God.
No matter how perfect we try to be, we will fail. We all sin and we all need the righteousness of Christ. We need to submit to the righteous of Christ trusting in his righteousness, not our own. If you are going about trying to establish your own righteousness, then you have missed the purpose of Christ's death.
Romans 10:1-4
Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God
for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
You asked some important questions.
1) If Jesus paid the penalty of sin, then why do we still die?
The promise of eternal life is ultimately realized at the resurrection of the just. One must endure to the end to receive the promise, as it can be forfeited through apostasy.
There's also the concept of spiritual life and death presented to us. You can be physically alive, but dead in sin. Paul uses this kind of language regularly in his epistles.
Animals and young children who know nothing of sin also die. Are they dying because of their own sin or the effects of sin? Jesus didn't die for his own sin either, however you try to explain the purpose of his death. He died still the same.
2) I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.
I think you are taking Jesus' statement out of context. There are many similar statements found throughout the OT. There were many people in Israel who trusted that their sacrifices and sabbath keeping was enough to cover over their wickedness. Take Isaiah 1, for example. God is disgusted with their sacrifices, Sabbaths, and vain offerings. They are, in some sense following the law, but yet they are practicing wickedness.
Isaiah 1:15-16
When you spread out your hands,
I will hide my eyes from you;
h even though you make many prayers,
I will not listen;
your hands are full of blood.
Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
cease to do evil,
learn to do good;
l seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow's cause.
God was confronting faithless Israelites who outwardly kept the rituals of the law, but inwardly were vile and wicked. This was the same with the religious rulers Jesus was confronting. God rejected such sacrifices.
Proverbs 15:8
The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, but the prayer of the upright is acceptable to him.
Proverbs 20:3
To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
Hosea 6:6-10
For I desire steadfast love (mercy in the LXX) and not sacrifice,
the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.
But like Adam they transgressed the covenant;
there they dealt faithlessly with me.
Gilead is a city of evildoers,
tracked with blood.
As robbers lie in wait for a man,
so the priests band together;
they murder on the way to Shechem;
they commit villainy.
In the house of Israel I have seen a horrible thing;
Ephraim's whoredom is there; Israel is defiled.
Jesus very well may have been quoting Hosea 6:6 in Matthew 9:13, assuming the LXX reading of "mercy and not sacrifice" is correct. What then is the context? God is confronting the wicked who thought their sacrifices were acceptable to God.
The sacrifices of bulls and goats for the atonement of sins were a shadow of Christ's own atoning sacrifice, which is one and done. That Christ died for our sins is the core message of the gospel.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel
I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you- unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
I think you need to take a closer look at the doctrines you are holding to.
No need for a rocket science degree. Just get a KJV Bible search and look up the word "ordinance" (the "handwriting of") which was nailed to the cross.
Then all you need to know is the difference between the sabbaths of the ordinances and the 7th day sabbath.
The moral law is the definition of sin today. What? - You want an excuse for sin; or teach that God can't define it anymore?
Huh?
@@6969smurfy Exactly my point - for those who prefer sin/private interpretation, its 'easier' to trust the soul to those with a 'rocket-science degree' in Bible 'psychology', rather than read and understand the simple words in the Bible themselves.
When you say simple do you mean like let the scriptures define the words, like say.... righteousness, as defined in Duet 6 25.... or Sin is Transgressions of Torah. Or how about Holy ir Set apart. Apart from what, how about the world in general... I'm confused and I'm sticking to it.. 😂
Make your self angood Day!
@@6969smurfy "ordinances" ..."nailed to His cross". You might want to know what the Bible defines these as. But instead, keep laughing and running away :P
@@BrookDesHarnais yea Ordinances huh, ..... Quoted even... I would think you should now what that means, take it to the Greek/Latin first, then the the Hebrew/Aramaic, then to the Paleo. If you think this means Thy MOST Highs word Torah is not held up No More, than YOUR systems are the Deciever doing It's works, just Like Sin One Of Man. ""Did HE really say That" getting man to Not Follow MOST Highs TORAH, that's "instructions" to the uneducated..
It's interesting because you are both right and wrong. Right in that we do not do animal sacrifices because christ died for sins once and for all. Animals did not have the power to forgive sin, it is Jesus blood that has is and will atone for all man kind. It was that way since the beginning of man. Wrong in that the law changed or has been done away with for basically the same reason. We have a preist, a temple, and a sacrifice in Jesus. The fact that we even use the word atonement in relation to Jesus proves that sacrifice is still required. The fact that his sacrifice was a single event is not support for the law being done away with. It is support that Jesus is God. If the law is not in effect then neither is Jesus sacrifice. Because mankind still requires atonement for sin, sacrifice is alo required. And we offer Jesus blood as our sacrifice. Otherwise we the concept of faith in Christ's blood wouldn't make any sense because we would not be compelled to offer anything for sin. You see, if sacrifice is not required then neither is the blood of Jesus. But that's not true. We still need atonement and Jesus sacrifice is still effective. Also, you are absolutely wrong about animal sacrifice being optional under the new covenant. If anyone trusts in the blood of animals for forgiveness has rejected the blood of Christ and are still dead in their sins. Are you actually teaching that is OK under the new covenant to offer animals sacrifices for sin?
Hi, Matt. I get where you're coming from. And in the larger cosmic sense of God's law as His eternal will and character, I agree with you. But when it comes specifically to the law of Moses, there has most definitely been a change. (Heb. 7:12).
You said, "If anyone trusts in the blood of animals for forgiveness has rejected the blood of Christ and are still dead in their sins" and I agree 100%. In fact, in this video I said, "If those animal sacrifices were offered as an attempt to atone for our sin, it would be an outright and blatant declaration that we don’t trust in the sacrifice of Jesus or believe it was enough to cover our sin."
Blessings,
RLS
@TheBiblicalRoots I agree there has been a change in the Law but a change is distinctly different from ceasing to be. The change was the preisthood from the levites to Jesus who was not a levite, the temple that was a building to a temple that is a man, specifically Jesus, and atonement sacrifices that was animals but is now a man, that is Jesus. All of these things still exist though they were changed. The most common support for this changing of the law does not speak of the Law as a whole but to these three things. And again, a change is not equal to ceasing to exist
@TheBiblicalRoots Rob, could you respond to the final point in my first comment about atonement sacrifices being optional and not prohibited under the new covenant? I agree that we are in the new covenant but do you really believe what you said in regards to why people were permitted to continue in animal sacrifice for atonement? You use this logic in other conversations about the Feasts and Saturday Sabbath being optional but not required under the new covenant. But I think that logic fails dramatically and this example of atonement sacrifices is probably the best example of that. I ask for a response because I don't think you intended to say that atonement is an either or situation. Atonement is through one sacrifice, Jesus sacrifice. I think you need to do a correction video on this point and throw out the "optional" logic particularly related to animal sacrifice
Strawman...Solberg should manufacture and sell strawmen as proficient as he is in manufacturing them. I don't think 119 believes in animal sacrifice. Number one the argument against sacrifice would be two fold. 'Jesus' is the shadow of the sacrificial system on earth and without a temple there is no where to sacrifice. I'm pretty sure that's what 119 would say. I know this that 119 ministries understanding of the bible FAR FAR outshadows Solberg's Dallas Theological seminary or Southern Baptist Theological seminary talking points. Bro acts like a Oneness Pentecostal but that's 98% of mainstream world salad Christianity. Where if you look at their statements of faith it's so contradictory. We believe there is but One God and to Him ALL praise is during then Trinity- God is the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit each with distinct personal attributes but without division of essence, nature, being, or thought process. Then how do we pretend 'JESUS' came to be different than 'God'?? It's insanity at it's finest but Solberg doesn't even argue the points of his 'opposition' well at all. In fact, it's almost like he doesn't understand it at all and is purely being a member of the echo chamber that is mainstream Christianity. I've never heard this guy make a fair argument of his 'opposition' but rather he openly admits that he doesn't portray then appropriately because 'that's not the main point. The conversation us about a more general topic' then stop using people as examples if you're not going to fairly represent them. I love these guys who swear they are doing it for the 'Body' and they always say it's anyone who disagrees with them that are divisive but I've never heard 119 ministry role a mainstream group. I've seen them roll people who agree with them on most things but fail on small issues like Enoch or Jubilees. R L. Solberg is a complete fraud. He's not even coming from a place of good intentions. He can't be to make so many blatant mistakes.
Hi Chuck! The 119 Ministries teaching I tested in this video (and which I linked to in the video description) ends with this statement: "In conclusion, animal sacrifices are all about having a relationship with God on earth through the Temple service. In addition to bringing about ritual purity, they teach us about the holiness of God and also foreshadow God’s plan of redemption through Messiah. They haven’t been done away with. There’s no way to perform them right now due to the fact that there’s no Temple in Jerusalem, but they will be reestablished during the Millennial Reign."
Shalom,
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots Solberg twist scripture like Satan.
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Deut 30:11...... Gods laws are not difficult......... Sunday christians, No one could keep Gods law it was too difficult. Jesus died so we can eat bacon and free us from Gods law that was too difficult.
Hi Jeff! Christian theology doesn’t teach that God’s laws are too hard to keep in the sense of being too physically or intellectually difficult, or too hard to understand. The difficulty isn’t with God’s law but with our fallen human nature. This is the reason Israel wasn’t able to keep the law and therefore broke the Sinai Covenant, as God says in Jeremiah 31:31-32. He gave them a law that was not too hard for them or too far off (Deut. 30:11), and yet they couldn’t keep it. This is why Peter calls the law “A yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear” (Acts 15:10). Romans 3 says, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23). This is why “God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit” (Rom. 8:3-4). The problem is our fallen state, not God’s law.
Shalom,
RLS
People should watch the teaching you are blatantly butchering and misrepresenting! They don't believe in sacrificing animals for sin after Jesus was....
Trash video simply because you've taken what 119 says out of context to fit your own argument. The only people who will buy this are people who are only taking your word and haven't compared it to what 119 actually says. Shame on you.
He always says, "This is what is said when I talk with Hebew roots people's" I'm not a labled One, but I like to see him actually speaking to One, because he always miss Represents them. at least the Ones I know!
Christians are really stuck on these animal sacrifices?, just a moment folks, there will be animal sacrifices in the future. No doubt about it, the prophets spoke about it in the Tanakh. And yes, it is literally!!!
Thanks, Leon! In this video we talk specifically about animal sacrifices _to atone for sin._ Is that what you're referring to as well?
RLS
It’s not literal, you have to explain Revelation 21:22 when John says “there is no temple.” Also Amos 9 and Obadiah says that Edom and the nations are suppose to be subjugated in order for the exile to end and God’s kingdom on earth is a established. In Acts it’s reinterpreted and guess what? It’s not literal and has to do with giving Edom/nations the gospel and bringing the them back into the family of God. You need reinterpret Ezekiel 40-48 and many other passages in the OT in light of the New Testaments temple talk.
@@solidsnake497 Tanakh be interpreted in light of the New Testament? What came first the Tanakh or the New Testament? Imagine if Mormons say that the Tanakh must be interpreted in light of the Book of Mormon or in light of the Qur'an? How absurd can it get?
@@Leon-jp7ch Well the New Testament is inspired by the Holy Spirit whereas those two other books you mentioned are not. There is continuity between the Old and NT it was written by Jews after all. Even if you reject NT temple talk you still get an idea in the OT that there’s more to the “third temple.” It’s directly tied into new creation (Eden) , restoration of Jerusalem and the end of exile. The lines are blurred there and if you need a literal temple for sacrificing you’re going to need the Ark of the covenant but Jeremiah 3 says the Ark will be remembered no more and will never be rebuilt. If you keep reading further in Jeremiah 3 Jerusalem is the throne of the Lord, the city itself is the Holy of Holies, no need to sacrifice because the Holy Spirit that was promised in the new covenant in Jeremiah will ritually cleanse believers to be able to live and dwell with God without being impure like in Eden, no gentile or Jew only one people of God and He will again “walk in the in the garden, in the cool of the day.”
Yea, I see what ya did there, Rob. You create a false posion based on babble talk.
Torah is the Heart Matter, used to Discern righteousness in today's world, Of course we can't do most of Torah today,
IF,
You were truly in CRIST as your greek religion refers to. There would be no need for since sacrifice in the first place. We should.
Be acting like our own temple and stop defiling it with the worldly ways that a greek religion adopted. It truly is that simple Rob.
F y I.
If you make shorter videos. Just declare in one of your hebrew related Positions. You would not keep going on from that point onwards and continue on missguiing in yourr witnesses...
Christ is the heart matter.
Your focus left the Lord and Savoir and fell to the law. *Christ is the heart matter*. Until you know that with your heart and confess that with your mouth, you will forever place the Torah as superior to Christ. What a disaster: Moses greater than Christ.
. Lol do you even know Thy Heart of wich you speak??
Let me help good sir?
1 tim 1:5
Now the PURPOSE of the COMMANDMENTS is LOVE from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from SINCERE faith,
Duet 30 10
if you OBEY the Adonai/LORD your YAH/God and keep his COMMANDS and DECREES that are written in this Book of the .Torah/Law and turn to the Adonai/LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your SOUL.
Proverbs 3 3
Let know LOVING commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART.
2 cor 3 3
And you show that you are a letter from Messiah/Christ DELIVERED by us, written not with ink but with the SPIRIT of the living YAH/God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS.
Psalms 95 10-11
For forty years I was angry with that generation, and I said, “They are a people whose HEARTS go astray, and they have not known My ways.
Ezekiel 11 19-20
And I will give them one HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my "PEOPLES", and I will be their YAH/God.
Jer 31 33
But this is the COVENANT that I will make with the HOUSE of ISRAEL after those days, declares the Adonai/Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their YAH/God, and they shall be MY PEOPLES ie YAHisrael.
Hebrews 8 7-13
Hebrews 10 16
This is the COVENANT I will make with them after that time, says the Adonai/Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their MINDS.”
Daniel 7 28
Hitherto is the END OF THE MATTER. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I KEPT the MATTER in my HEART
Eph 6:6 - not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as BONDSERVANTS of Messiah/Christ, doing the WILL of YAH/God from the HEART,
Isaiah 56 6-7
And FOREIGNERS who bind themselves to the Adonai/LORD to minister to him, to LOVE the name of the Adonai/LORD, and to be his SERVANTS, all who KEEP THE SABBITH without desecrating it and who hold fast to my COVENANT -
these I will bring to my HOLY mountain and give them joy in my HOUSE of prayer. Their burnt offerings and SACRIFICES will be ACCEPTED on my altar; for my HOUSE will be called a house of prayer for all NATIONS.”
~Now you.can understand~
Jeremiah 17-5
Thus says the Adonai/LORD: “Cursed is the man who "TRUST IN MAN" And makes flesh his strength, Whose HEART departs from the Adonai/LORD.
Rev 12-17 00
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God, and have the TESTIMONY of YAHshua Humasheoc/Jesus Christ”
Rev 14 12
Here is the patience of the Kadosh/qaddish/saints; here are those who keep the COMMANDMENTS of YAH/God and the faith of YAHshua/Jesus
Rev 22 14
Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the TREE OF LIFE, and they shall enter into the CITY BY THE GATES.
ECC 12 13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: FEAR YAH/GOD and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS, because this is the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.
@@6969smurfy Yes, the heart of Christ: our God and Savior. The king, priest, prophet, sabbath, our all in all. As the author of Hebrews belabors to Hebrew people: Christ is Superior to all things and all people. He is the superior version of all people, roles and things. He is true Sabbath, he is the greater Moses, he is superior to all of creation.
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him alone be all glory now and forever more. 🎯❤
@@neoturfmasterMVSYes,
the truth
The way
The light
All descriptors of
THY TORAH
THY TEMPLE
&
THY MESSIAH.
All walking hand in hand.
@@6969smurfy Your a wierdo So kooky. A foreigner to Christ and best to not call oneself: Christian. You are something other.
If only you know your stiff neck forefathers, maybe it would help to not repeat their folly.
I didn't need to listen to more than two minutes before I realized it was just based on your incorrect view of what Hebrews believe on the subject. You just pander to your followers who havent taken the time to understand the argument any better then you, but they see you as an authority.
See, the problem with your insistence that the sacrifice of animals are an integral component of Torah is without merit and ignores many passages not only in Torah itself but the prophets as well as the right side of the book.
Hi Vern! I didn't need to read more than two words of your comment before I knew you were going to disagree with me. :-) Respectfully, if you don't see the sacrifice of animals as an integral component of Torah which points to and prefigures Christ, you must not have read Leviticus.
Shalom,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
The animal sacrifices were an integral part of nothing more than the levitical priesthood. If you can point to some other reasoning why they're integral part of the greater Torah, I'm all ears.
In the meantime I would point you to Jeremiah 7, 9 and Malachi 2
You do not understand your opponents argument and that's just the truth. I know you you believe the opposite to be true but anyways
@@vernmiroth1626 Hi, Vern. Are you suggesting that atoning for sin was not an integral part of the Torah? Respectfully, I think you need to spend some time reading Leviticus to see just how much time it spends talking about sin sacrifices. Especially Leviticus 16 which describes the holiest day of the year in the Torah, Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement). This feast is solely focused on atonement and repentance. It is a day set aside for individuals and the community to seek forgiveness for their sins from the past year and to purify themselves spiritually. It's the only holy day that required complete fasting. The high priest would sacrifice a bull for his own sins and a goat for the sins of the people. Another goat, the scapegoat, would symbolically carry the sins of the people and be sent into the wilderness. So yes, sin atonement is an integral component of the Torah for all Israelites, not just the priests.
Shalom, RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Respectfully, I would suggest you read Leviticus without your Christian lenses on. What is The book of Leviticus about?
How was atonement carried out prior to the incident with the golden calf?
1:23 .. NO!! it wasn't You won't make progress with hebrew roots people until you get this right
What is the sacrifice to be made for stealing your neighbor's sheep? What is the sacrifice for adultery? What is the sacrifice for beating up your father? What sacrifice did the people of ninevah make to prevent destruction of their city?
The sin sacrifice in the law is for UNINTENTIONAL sin of the entire nation of israel. There is no sacrifice you can make for intentional sin and Christians aren't israelites
While you continue to get this so very wrong, none of your points mean anything at all. I think the reason you get it so wrong is that you're reading the law through Pauline lenses.. and he gets it very wrong as well
Do you mind clarifying what you mean by Pauline Lenses and how does Paul get it wrong as well?
@@gameaddiction30092 yes. As soon as you answer the questions I asked in my original comment about sacrifice. Start with the one about stealing your neighbor's sheep. What is the sacrifice to atone for it?
If you have to search (only to discover the answer is "there isn't a sacrifice for that"), you don't know the law and nothing I tell you about "Pauline lenses" will be useful anyway
Paul taught the gospel of grace because the law is a curse.
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It's funny how you misrepresent Hebrews to try saying what they would say! I don't know not one who would say what you say they would. Your very dishonest and you should repent.
Your dishonesty is clear. You didn't listen to the video. Very sad you point to dishonesty when you yourself are dishonest. You hypocrite.
Hi Sabath! The 119 Ministries teaching I tested in this video (and which I linked to in the video description) ends with this statement: "In conclusion, animal sacrifices are all about having a relationship with God on earth through the Temple service. In addition to bringing about ritual purity, they teach us about the holiness of God and also foreshadow God’s plan of redemption through Messiah. They haven’t been done away with. There’s no way to perform them right now due to the fact that there’s no Temple in Jerusalem, but they will be reestablished during the Millennial Reign."
Shalom,
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots 119 Ministries has debunked your lawless doctrines many times over along with many others.
@neoturfmasterMVS actually I did watch the teaching and the emphasis was not on keeping sacrifice for sin going with animals but that the sacrifice for other offerings is not done away with but cannot be kept today because the temple nor levitical preisthood is not in place. It also is very clear that Jesus sacrifice is the only sacrifice that removes sin from the record. They were not teaching the continual sacrifice for sin.