So when I came to the faith, I was immediately brought into a Hebrew roots Christian congregation. They weren't cult-y and their teachings were very thoughtful. The community was super friendly and caring so I really considered their theology to be solid. Plus, given the testimony of the people in the congregation, studying Torah gave them a deeper understanding of God and having done that for the past two years I would say that studying the Torah and Messianic Jewish teachings have been a huge spiritual blessing. That being said, I've always felt like there was something off. Not seriously so, but enough to make me doubt the walk. Although having converted at 30, mainstream Christianity didn't seem right either and all of that confusion stems from not understanding the expectations God had of me in my Christian walk. Of course we're saved by grace alone, but we're also told to *work* out our salvation with fear and trembling so I can thank you enough for breaking this subject down and helping me to have to certainty of the application of the Law of God in my life to the level of being able to defend my choice to abstain from pork without feeling like I'm failing God by not adhering to every Mosaic command I can. This really has been a blessing and I sent it to a friend of mine who has also been having doubts about the Torah walk, it has felt lacking in grace to us both at many times. I praise God for His perfect work and thank you for your well-articulated teachings! 🙌🏻
Someone should make a fridge magnet with the saying: "read the next verse", it would help a lot in my opinion. Thank you for this presentation, very clear and straight to the point.
I also agree a few things as I listen to you. Dang ... David can go SO fast! I have watched him for a while. I do believe that his mind is probably in top 0.01% of smarts. I am sure he is brilliant. He does (David) make a point, quote a scholar and then assumes the argument is closed and moves on. You (Rob) are very opposite in the way you present. You are methodical, detailed, and in a more global (bigger picture) kind of way. I like the way you say something like "let's unpack this scripture" then proceed to do exactly that. I also admire your (Rob) mental prowess, and I've said that before. Your depth of knowledge into the our Holy Bible inspires me and makes me thirst for more. This was a great teaching and if there was still a little sway in me toward the Torah followers, you yanked me back to where my heart knows that I need to be. Thank you for your ongoing work on the behalf of your fellow men.
Brother Rob, thank you for this channel and for your book "Torahism". I believe the Lord has sovereignly lead me to your material, and these resources have greatly helped me to understand Hebrew Roots theology, matters of conscience with celebrating the feasts, and brotherly love regarding disputation. I thank the Lord for your material, keep fighting the good fight and contending for the faith of God's elect!
Rob, watching this again for the "quite a fewth" time. Really appreciate your ministry as i pray for my friends taken in by the roots movement. On the subject of the curtains, i would say it's more than just trying to shift the argument because that curtain represented Christs body broken for us. That can't just be shifted around to fit what someone is espousing. It reminds me of other arguments from their teachers trying to fit their view at any cost.
I agree, Jimmie! "Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, *that is, through his flesh,* and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water." Heb. 10:19-22
Well it's very nice to see a genteel debate with much less of the usual polite yet disrespectful snide personal remarks about the other person that I have seen in other videos. Thank you, I believe these kinds of debates, iron sharpening iron, rather respectfully, are very good for the walk in the faith. I disagree with your conclusions based upon how we read the text, but it was a nice watch just the same.
I would assert that the Sabbath still stands but I would not have taken the approach that there are NO changes in the Mosaic law under the New Covenant. Here is the major problem within the HR movement, many don't understand that there IS a change in the law with the New Covenant! Those changes come about, out of necessisty, with the change of the priesthood. So, the Levitical laws, the temple services, and the sacrificial system have all been fulfilled with the change of the High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. I would agree with you Rob on these changes and Hebrews spells that out for us. I also like that you brought up Hebrews 10:26-31, but I would like to break those verses down some. Verse 26 state that if we sin willfully after we received the knowledge of the truth that there remains no longer a sacrifice for sins. We must ask ourselves what is truth? The biblical definition of truth is found in Ps. 119:142 and 151. These verses tell us that God's laws and His commandments are truth. We will be judged by them if we willfully break His commandments. I would also agree that under the New Covenant it is worse! Under the old covenant anyone who rejected Moses could be condemned to death by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses. Verse 29 tells us it is worse for us if we trample the Son of God underfoot counting the blood of the covenant by which we are sanctified as a common thing and insult the spirit of grace. Grace is only given to those who choose to walk in obedience to God's law(Ps. 103:17,18.) You do not do this without Christ and you do not need grace if you don't want to walk in obedience. Grace is given as we learn to walk within God's righteous laws. 1 John 3:7 tells us we PRACTICE righteousness. Righteousness is found in Ps. 119:172, all of God's commandments are righteousness. It is the 10 commandments that remain in BOTH the old and new covenants. These 10 commandments are God's moral law. Under the Old Covenant, the commandments were written on stone, because of their hearts, they did not want to obey. Under the New Covenant, the commandments are written on our hearts. We do them because we love Him, not for salvation! God has always wanted obedinence, but out of our love for Him. The sabbath was given to mankind before there ever was a nation of Israel. The Sabbath was given to man at creation. Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man(mankind) not just Jews or Israel, and He claimed to be Lord of the Sabbath! I can even show you that He rose during the night of the Sabbath, not on the first day of the week, through a breakdown of the Gospel accounts but that would take too long in this post. It is the Sabbath that points us to Christ. Sunday, while I am not against anyone meeting on that day, is not the new Christian sabbath. It is NOT the "Lord's Day" as that term came from the Catholic Church. We do not keep a "sabbath principle" by choosing whatever day we want to set apart either. God is the one who chose the 7th day and blessed it and set it apart. He even tells us WHY in the commandment itself, "For in six days God created the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in it. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." We cannot undo what God has done. This is why Christ kept the Sabbath and calls Himself the Lord of it. He tells us to follow Him as He has followed His Father in John 15:10. There is a lot of early church history of the first century believers all keeping the biblical sabbath and the feast days. This began to change shortly after the first century as Christians started to distance themselves from anything "Jewish" This is where the separation begins. The sabbath and the feasts of the LORD are NOT "Jewish," they are God's ways! We consider them as being only for Israel because of this separation that began shortly after the first century. A careful reading of the book of Acts will show you that the disciples and the Apostle Paul were continuing to meet on the Sabbath day and keeping the set apart times. They didn't do this just because they were Jewish and that was their custom. They did it because Jesus did not come to change these things and He kept them also, as an example to us! We are to walk as He walked if we are His followers. We find our rest in Christ. Creation week shows us this. There are 6 days(or 6,000 years) for man and then we enter into the Sabbath rest or millenial reign. This is a shadow picture and it is why the Sabbath is important. This is what Hebrews 4 is showing us. All thoughout the scriptures we find God asserting that the Sabbath is His! The 7th day Sabbath is the LORD's day! He set it apart and told us to remember it. Sadly, we have forgotten it or we make it about salvation. I do not put my salvation in ANY commandment as that would make Christ to have died in vain! I keep the Sabbath because I love Him and He said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." We should ALL want to do this. We all agree that sin is the trangression of the law. The law's only purpose is the show you what sin is. So, breaking this day IS a sin and if Jesus is your messiah, you should follow Him and no longer want to just walk away from this commandment. It is through Christ we begin to walk within the law. You cannot walk out God's righteous laws without Him! Once you accept Him as your Messiah, He puts His Spirit in you and He changes your desires from one who walks in disobedience to one who wants to walk in obedience. Keeping the Sabbath shows that Christ is the one that is leading you. It is the evidence of your faith in Him. I don't earn any merit, it does not make me better, and I would never want to throw it in anyone's face. Please Rob reconsider this one. I really would like to have some dialog with you. Blessings, Ray
Love how you broke it down. I too am a firm believer God's laws are eternal. And we should all follow them, this is how we respond to him Yahsua with gratitude. In the old covenant God demanded a sacrifice to atone for sins. And now that Yahshua has come. He became the perfect sacrifice once for all. And Yes there was a change in Gods Law. Now I come and present myself to the Lord as a living sacrifice as in Romans 12 to leave my old life and walk the new life through Yahshua. And I will follow his laws in the new Way. And there is no house of the Lord that man can create in this new way. We can follow God wherever we are. The ground I step in to adore the Lord is Holy. Let's do as Yahshua said brothers and sisters. May the Lord fill you all with joy and so much wisdom.
Wow, the way David can explain away the vail being torn by God as being so insignificant is so miserably sad and scary for him. Paul Warned believers in Galatians to continue in the spirit and not to revert back to the works of the law.
How do you call yourself "abiding in Christ" when you don't abide or FOLLOW what He did? He said, "My DOCTRINE is not My own, but HIS who sent Me." He is the WORD OF GOD. So you abide in THE WORD OF GOD, HIS TORAH? How come the prophets talk of God's wrath falling on those in the future who reject His laws and commandments? Hmmm, I wonder if THIS IS the great deception? Satan deceiving many and leading a REBELLION AGAINST GOD? It is foretold, and what did Satan do in the garden? Did God REALLY SAY? He deceived them into being disobedient! If God now wants us NOT to KEEP His Laws, and Satan is deceiving us to Keep them, then Satan and God have traded places and switched places. Or not!!!
@@LightSeekers777 you abide in the Torah but I abide in the completion of the Torah which is Jesus Christ! I saw you on the lifestream earlier. you seemed a lot more timid in your behavior but perhaps that was because there were so many other people. Around. Please read Romans over and over until it starts to make sense for you. We are all born under Adam under the law of sin and death however, those who are born again in Christ are set free from death and are alive in him! You are right there is a great deception burning through Christians. Stealing the joy of believers and condemning those who were at one time set free. My heart breaks for those and I pray the Lord will rescue them before the sacrifice the Lord made is of no use to them.
@@abidinginchrist3139 So you're set free from what? Jesus came to die to set you free from KEEPING God's Laws? He came so that now, breaking God's Law is no longer Sin? Now we are free to break God's Laws because it no longer applies? ..... Paul says the flesh cannot SUBMIT to the Law of God, that is why it is at enmity with God, therefore what does the SPIRIT do? ... Or how about, "Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" Or, "If they don't believe Moses or the PROPHETS neither will they be PERSUADED even if one rises from the dead.".... PERSUADED to what? Turn from sin, breaking God's Laws? Repent? Turn TOWARDS God's ways? Wicked literally means crooked in Hebrew and straight is connected to the word for RIGHTEOUSNESS, this is why there is so much about, "making paths straight." I wonder why it's so hard for our flesh to OBEY. I wonder if it's because we say we want God, but what we REALLY want is to cling to our SIN. We love darkness is what Jesus says.....
@@abidinginchrist3139 Oh, now I understand, you ABIDE (Definition- accept or act in accordance with a rule, decision, or recommendation). So you FOLLOW by NOT FOLLOWING, and you ABIDE by NOT DOING what Jesus did? So we are God's children, but we DISOBEY, and we are FOLLOWERS of Christ, but we don't FOLLOW? ...FOR WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE PUNISHES EVERY SON WHOM HE ACCEPTS. If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."
@@LightSeekers777 Abide means to stay to remain. Jesus said ” I am the vine and my father the husbandman. Every branch in me that doesn’t bear fruit he takes away and every branch in me that does bear fruit, he purges so it will bear more fruit. Abide in me and I in you As the branch cannot bear fruit of its self, Accept it abide in the vine, no more can you, except you abide in me. I am the vine you are the branches, he that abides in me and I abide in him, the same bring forth much fruit. For Without me you can do nothing.” John 15 1-5
When someone is arguing on the side of truth they are usually calm and confident. A false teacher has to pull out all the stops just to try and bring enough confusion they must just convince themselves. Keep up the class act Rob💙
@@TheBiblicalRoots Would love to email you some topics that will leave Tovia Singer with nowhere to turn. As a matter of fact, he doesn't have videos about it. I was blocked from his channel as well as Tanakh talk for topics that they could not answer. I would love for you to bring those topics up in your upcoming debate.
Huh, totaly not a true (pun intended) statement, have you ever got accused of something you didn't do, and you know the "truth" about it. Lol Man is so esaly swad of Truth by his own Self! The Satan loves all the divisions of YAHs peoples, Religions is HIS play ground!
Q: how can he be a “brother in Christ” if he teaches another gospel? Doesn’t Galatians say anyone with a different gospel is accursed? And Paul also says that those who cause division are to be marked and avoided?
I’m so glad you brought up scholarship. During the debate, I was thinking the same thing. Scholarship is not something to go to the bank on. Not all scholars are correct in their thinking/beliefs. I can think of plenty of “biblical scholars” who would completely disagree with the scholars mentioned by David. Scripture itself is the authority, not scholars.
Amen, Sonya! There is certainly a place for citing scholars. However, one typically makes a point, and then offers evidence to support that point, and part of that evidence may be quotes from scholars. But I noticed David doesn't often do that. He simply quotes a scholar and moves on. So I got the sense during the debate, and during his rebuttal video, that I wasn't engaging with what David thought, but rather with his scholars. Blessings, Rob
I appreciate the civility that you and David display in discourse! I appreciate the attentiveness to scriptural detail that you do so well in your illustrations. The word of the Lord truly is living and active! Keep it up, we love you brother!
Hey Solberg, thank you for your hard work. I used to be a member of the HRM years ago, and recently began my conversation to Cstholicism. I wish I would have had these arguments back in the day. God bless you brother.
That’s a huge jump given why they claim about Catholics! I used to be one too, I looked into the Orthodox Church but I will most likely go Lutheran. God bless!
@@DaltonPyron The Roman Catholic communion claims their priests are Levitical priests. Watch the debate between James White and Jesuit Mitch Pacwa " Is The Priesthood Biblical and Ancient?" There were other debates between James White and Mitch Pacwa....all worth your time.
Rob, thank you for all the work you are doing here! I wanted to ask you a question about what you said at 2:53. Have you ever come across any historical information that references the temple being the place where “heaven and earth” meet? I posted a comment earlier but apparently including a link gets it deleted. Either way, do some quick searches on the idea of the temple, and even when the law was given at Sinai, as being where “heaven and earth“ met. A book came out in 2009 about this idea but there is also a good bit of other material about that idea. I just wanted to get your thoughts. Thank you again!
Thanks, Mike! Yes, in fact in my recent conversation with scholar Chad Bird we discuss this very issue. You can watch our comments on that here: ruclips.net/video/i-z49HmzW5M/видео.html Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you for the very quick response Rob and for pointing to the specific part in that discussion. I will be listening to the rest of it within the next couple of days for sure. I certainly agree with all you said around the obvious changes in the New Covenant when compared to the Old Testament law. I made notes on the use of “all” in Matthew 5:18 in the past and will simply copy and paste them here below in case they can assist anyone else when dealing with HRM’s interpretation of Matt 5:18. *** What does “all” mean here? What does “all” mean in these verses? What is the context of accomplished? Luke 18:31 31 And taking the twelve, he said to them, “See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written about the Son of Man by the prophets will be accomplished. - Would “everything” in its fullest sense include Christ returning for his bride as in Revelation? Yes, and clearly Jesus is not including that. There is always a context. - “all” in Matt 5:18 is the same Greek word we have here for “everything” (g3956. πᾶς pas). Luke 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. - Would the fullest use of “all” here include the millennial kingdom? Of course. And yet that is not what Jesus is including. John 19:28 28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.” - If “all” was finished 2000 years ago, why are we still here? Again, “all” is not being used in the fullest since and almost never is. Context should be very important to the interpreter. John 19:30 30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. Luke 9:30-31 30 And behold, two men were talking with him, Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. Luke 12:50 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! Does automatically interpreting “all” in its fullest sense in Matt 5:18 mean you do not need to consider context or consider the logical result that, for example, if nothing, including the method of atonement (animal sacrifice) has passed from the law, then you have no atonement in Christ? Clearly not. ***
I noticed Rob didnt have an answer as to what "until heaven and earth pass away" actually meant but focused on "until all is accomplished". Does "until heaven and earth pass away "have to be end times talk. Could "until heaven and earth pass away" be a passing of seperateness so instead meaning a coming together of the two. This way "until heaven and earth pass away" could be the same as "until all is accomplished". Or does this just not work?
The law regarding circumcision never had anything to do with eternal salvation anyway. It was only a sign of the covenant regarding land inheritance made with Abraham. This is why I believe Paul says it doesn’t matter.
Exodus 31:14 “Therefore you are to keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it must be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3], holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.“ (NASB) Exodus 35:1 Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 “For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.“ (NASB) Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness [Heb. midbar], they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]. 33 And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34 and they placed him in custody, because it had not been decided what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must be put to death [Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18]; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation [Heb. edah] brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. (NASB) Hebrews 3:17 And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness [Heb. midbar]? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest [Psalm 95:11], but to those who were disobedient? (NASB) Deuteronomy 27:26 “ ‘Cursed is anyone who does not fulfill the words of this Law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ “ (NASB) Matthew 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away [Revelation 21], not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!“ (NASB) It's the ministry of death (Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Numbers 15:32-36; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18), engraved in letters on stones (2 Corinthians 3). The one who has ears, let him hear.
There is now way for you to read the 5:17-20 and interpret that God changed his law. Unless this video was made with the intent of being click bait. Jesus said not one jot or tittle would change. Here’s another passage from Jesus regarding Moses law and authority: 23 :: NIV. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. Now the teachings of the Pharisee are based on the law of Moses and Jesus according to this verse commands his disciples to do what they teach but not what they do. Disciples imitate their teacher the goal is to be like the master. If he observed sabbath then I will, if he act kosher then I will, if he picked up his cross then I will.
Great video. I also would point out that, even if the HR/TO position could somehow establish the ongoing validity of the sin offering, they invariably have to change the purpose of the offering. Usually, instead of “atonement”, it is for “remembrance”, or something similar. That, of course, would also be a change in the Law. And appeals to passages in the Torah that speak of making one fit to enter the Temple are simplistic and don’t cover the breadth of the language in the Torah. The sin offering really did atone for the sin of the person making the sacrifice, but in a temporal way, canceling God’s temporal judgments. Jesus’ sacrifice “makes perfect” those who are being set apart (Heb 10:14). If we are made perfect by Christ, there is simply no more reason for a sin offering, not for the original reason, and not for the theoretical “remembrance” reason.
Excellent points, Andrew! Any suggestion that any sin sacrifice should be continued (or restarted) at any time is a slap in the face to the sufficiency of Christ's atoning sacrifice on our behalf. Bless you! Rob
@BW not sure if you know this but God Himself said that the offerings would cease. Not sure if you know that God only tells the prophets when He’s going to change something? Paul was not a prophet and he never received direct revelation from God, so what Paul did was took the words of the prophets and reiterated them to the people in regards to the Law of God which is also called the law of Moses who was a prophet.
Because others have that God doesn’t change, doesn’t mean that I said that. “Ěl is not a man, to lie; nor a son of man, to repent! Has He said, and would He not do it; or spoken, and would not confirm it?” Numbers 23:19 Well he confirmed it right here! ““And he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall put an end to slaughtering and meal offering....” Daniel 9:27 ““Many shall be cleansed and made white, and refined. But the wrong shall do wrong - and none of the wrong shall understand, but those who have insight shall understand. “And from the time that which is continual is taken away....” Daniel 12:10-11
Excellent video! Loved the Original debate also. David seems fixated with the opinions of men more than scripture. As you pointed out the title of Scholar does not necessarily mean correct. I have dealt with this ideologue mentality myself of all places debating on twitter with SDA's. In this circumstance you can't keep one foot in the old testament and one foot in the new testament. There was a change, you point this out perfectly repeatedly. We should always seek the scriptures for Truth and not stay hung up on our idea of what that truth should be. I think some of this problem stems from people not reading their Bible straight through, I see that so much when people will post on twitter their daily Bible study, I don't see them reading an entire book but rather skipping around to maybe a chapter here and a few verses there. How does one get the context of what the author is trying to say by chopping up the text so? This is where false doctrines creep in. I could go on in great length about this topic but will wrap it up here 😏. Love your channel I have watched all of your videos, some more than just a couple times. You have a heart for Truth and it comes through loud and clear. God Bless you and your family 🙏
I think that verse is extraordinarily clear. The use of hyperbole is very common in scripture, thus "until Heaven and Earth pass away" is used. The line "until all is accomplished" is also crystal clear. The 2nd coming hasn't happened as well as a lot of other prophecy so the Law remains in effect for those who want to follow it....just as Jesus did :)
Rob, May I again commend to your audience another vital teaching by you, the man I am beginning to think of as one of my rabbinical instructors. Your teaching guides into understanding, rather than interpretation. Thank you, Pastor Greg
Really enjoyed the video. What would you say to the more "reformed" understanding of Matthew 5:18 which states that only the cerimonial aspect of the law is changed? Thanks
Very good question, I thought of that as well. The reformed explain Matt. 18 the same exact way the Torah and 7th day groups do and it irks me!🤦♀️ LOL
PASS or CHANGED? He says Matthew 5:17- 18 says that nothing can "change" from the law. That's why he is pointing out all these changes to strengthen his argument. But Matthew 5:18 does not say "CHANGE". It says not one jot or tittle will "PASS". The meaning of "pass" and the meaning of "changed or change"are two different Greek words and meanings. Change means to change one thing into another. Like the law was changed from the levitcal priesthood to the Melchizedek. Pass doesn't mean the same as changed. Pass means that not one jot or tittle will be set aside or placed off to the side. It has nothing to do with anything changing. Thus when Jesus said not one jot or title will PASS from the law he was not talking about changes. Thus changes can be made, like the priesthood, while at the same time the law is not destroyed. Thus the law being fulfilled does not set any part of the law to the side. For example, because Christ fulfilled the need for 1 sacrifice in heaven for sins, does not set aside the sacrificial law on earth. It was not "set aside", because it was "fulfilled". Thus it was not "destroyed" either. Temple will be built. There will be a Zadok Levitical priesthood and sacrifices will start up on earth, because heaven and earth have not passed, nor has these laws been set aside. Ezekeiel
Thanks, Josef! In Matt 5:18 the word translated "pass" (or some translations say "disappear") is παρέρχομαι (parerchomi). And it's used twice in this one verse: "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth _parerchomi,_ not an iota, not a dot, will _parerchomi_ the Law until all is accomplished." (Matt. 5:18) According to _The Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature,_ in the context of this verse, the word _parerchomi_ is used to mean "to come to an end and so no longer be there, pass away, disappear." For that reason, I have to respectfully disagree with you when you say that "pass has nothing to do with anything changing." When something comes to an end (like "heaven and earth" and "the Law") it most definitely changes! Blessings, Rob
Wonderful clarity again Rob. HR movement to rely on scholars opinions of scripture rather than the whole Word of God is troubling. I watched a debate between a Torah observant and a pastor of church a few years ago. Was very concerning to listen to the Torah observant dependence on scholars opinions rather than scripture. Pastor kept using scripture and every counter was “yea, but scholars say such snd such”.....just unfortunate.
The book of Hebrews says that there must of necessity have also been a change in the (Mosaic) law. This is because although the law was spiritual, holy, just, and good, it was not of faith. This was the faultiness of the Mosaic (and all O T.) Law. Thus Christians are delivered from O.T. law, and are under grace. Rom. 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law (all of it, even the Decalogue) for all that believe.
@DefendingtheBiblicalRootsofChristianity, This was excellent! I’m sharing and watching again. ❤ This is my go-to verse for JW’s, Mormons, Catholics, Hebrew Roots people, and anybody else who thinks they need to obtain or maintain righteousness by their works: James 2:10 “For whoever shall keep the whole Law and offend in one point, he is guilty of the whole Law. Look to Christ. 💝
Very nice Rob.. Truth Wins!! No matter what type of argument I hear from the Hebrew roots movement, I come away from it feeling like I’ve been swindled… Absolutely false teaching all the way. It’s got to be a Cult.
It is my understanding that the Talmud described two goats, one for sacrifice and one sent to Azazel or the wilderness. The priest would tie a scarlet thread to the goat for Azazel and cut a piece of the thread off and tack it to the temple door. It would turn white indicating that Yah had accepted the sacrifice for the people's sins. According to the Talmud 'scholars'/rabbis, the thread never turned white after Jesus crucifixion. This would also signal an end to the animal sacrifice prior to the destruction of the temple.
19It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. 21For Moses has been proclaimed in every city from ancient times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” ( Acts 15 ] .... verse 21 ) is often ignored. It shows us that the Gentile believers would learn more about the Law and how to live as they would go to synagogue and hear the Word of GOD.
@@amsterdamG2G ....your interpretation is wrong, where does it state in the Bible that a gentile believer must obey the law once they come to faith in christ ?
@peterthepakeha2799 Am i really misinterpreting the verses? Let's reverse the question....where does it say a ( gentile ) believer can or should break/ignore the law? What is our problem with the Law, is it not the Word of GOD? Psalm 119:142 even says it's the Truth. Should we not love (the) truth? David did and he was a man after God's hart. And of course i read and believe the letters of Paul. Galatians might seem clear to you but is the most misunderstood of the letters. Paul says he delights in and serves the law ( Romans 7:25 ) I believe 2 Peter 3:16 where he says about Paul's letters: ...as also in all the letters, speaking in them concerning these things, among which some things are difficult to be understood, which the ignorant and unestablished distort to their own destruction, as also the other Scriptures. Paul confirms: So indeed, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. ( Romans 7:12 ) But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, because it has been written: "You shall be holy, because I am holy." ( 1 Peter 1:15,16 ) So how can we follow the command given by Peter to be holy if we ignore the Law that is holy? In my opinion the things that we believers are most 'against' are the Sabbath/biblical Feasts and the food laws. While in fact those are the most easy things to obey. Hart circumcision is difficult and can only be done by Christ. Denying ourselves, dying to the flesh is our greatest battle in my opinion, not following commandments.
@@amsterdamG2G ....read the book of Galatians....its very clear a believer in christ is free from the law of moses which was to the Israelite. If righteousness could be gained from the law christ died for nothing. Any believer in christ is free from the law if Moses, the argument you bring is the same one Paul had with the judaists.
Scripture interprets scripture, what happened during Daniel’s time? Wasn’t there a pause in the law? He couldn’t sacrifice like when he was in Jerusalem. So if the end is declared from the beginning then we must check what’s before Matt 5:18 to determine what’s after. It seems fitting that Daniel was given the prophecy that there would be another pause just like his pause. Daniel twice speaks of the animal sacrifices stopping temporarily then when Yahshua returns he will call back the Levite’s from the line of Zadoch to serve Him again in the Set Apart place like Ezekiel speaks of.
Thanks, EO. But Hebrews 10 makes it very clear that this is not a pause, but rather sin sacrifices have come to an end. "there is no longer any sacrifice for sin" (Heb 10:18). God’s requirement for atonement has been fulfilled "once for all" (Heb 10:10). And if Jesus fulfilled that requirement, is it still required? Shalom, Rob
That’s as clear as mud! “Now the summary of what we are saying is: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Greatness in the heavens, and who serves in the set-apart place and of the true Tent, which יהוה set up, and not man. For if indeed He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the Torah, who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly, as Mosheh was warned when he was about to make the Tent. For He said, “See that you make all according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”” Hebrews 8:1-2, 4-5 “Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.” Hebrews 10:28
@@TheBiblicalRoots He only fulfilled that requirement for those who chose to accept His free gift! Those who didn’t expect before He returns will see Him and some will wish to be dead and the rest will be required to come to Jerusalem every Sukkot. Ezekiel 40-48 speaks of this along with Jeremiah, Isaiah, Zechariah, etc... ““And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה.” Isaiah 66:23 “And it shall be that all who are left from all the gentiles which came up against Yerushalayim, shall go up from year to year to bow themselves to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot. And it shall be, that if anyone of the clans of the earth does not come up to Yerushalayim to bow himself to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts, on them there is to be no rain. This is the punishment of Mitsrayim and the punishment of all the gentiles that do not come up to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.” Zechariah 14:16-17, 19
@@ForgedinTruth I see you follow the same god as David. Hebrews 10: 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? ---- Hebrews 7:23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. ---- 1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. ---- Hebrews 4:14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Im starting to lose all sympathy for those who cannot rightly divide. God sends the delusuon. You cannot argue with a fool. If righteousness comes by the Law then Christ died in Vain. Love one another, but love enough to correct. Its very tiresome in this day of heresy. But, it wasnt like we werent told it would increase.
You may consider this man a 'brother in Christ', however he is an errant brother causing many people to follow a wrong path into harmful doctrine or even worse a Jesus + Works requirement for salvation. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 clearly commands, "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us." Also 1 Timothy 6:3-5 teaches to "that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly". These verses are for your spiritual health, lest you become to proud and fall down a path of compromise.
Hey, J. I hear what you're saying and I certainly agree that he is in error in his theology. But since David has openly declared that salvation comes through faith in Christ alone and that he has placed his faith in Him, I am taking him at his word. This video is me trying to correct a brother who has gone astray. Shalom, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Many openly declare their Faith - Yet, David's fruit is sour. He works for at least 3 false ministries that teach Torah Observance for ALL which is in Direct conflict with the Gospel of Jesus Christ --- Here is a quote from David explaining the New Covenant: "My understanding is that the New Covenant reinforces Torah observance. Jeremiah says that in the New Covenant God would write His law (Torah) on the hearts of believers (Jeremiah 31:33). There is no indication that the Torah that God writes on our hearts in the New Covenant is different from the Torah that He wanted to be on our hearts all along (Deut 6:6; 11:18). Paul alludes to this prophecy when he writes that Christians are empowered by the Holy Spirit to live out God's law (Romans 8:2-4)." Those in this Cult teach a 'renewed' covenant not a New Covenant, I like the way he jumped over Jer 31:32 and Hebrews 8. Rob Peace to You. Jesus rebuked many in His day, even His disciples Eph 5:11
Heaven and earth was that temple where God dwelt in sanctuary. Jesus is saying before heaven and earth can pass away , he must fulfill the law and the prophets. What it is the "till" is a bit confusing. Like some people say for example when hell freezes over , I'll do it. Heaven and earth Isn't what you see out side but rather the temple. Like God told Moses and Aaron , Miriam, heaven and earth are against you this day.
Matt. 5:18 is crystal clear. Nothing can change until all is fulfilled. Period. Before that, it would take heaven and earth to pass away. I understand trying to be reasonable and see the other side’s argument, but a plain reading really should not lead to the Torah observant position🤷♀️ I was in the movement for over 5 years and they would always say “has heaven and earth passed away??” totally ignoring the “till all is fulfilled” part. And when you bring up that part, they would always respond that Jesus hasn’t fulfilled everything yet, like his second coming, etc. I have not finished the video, just pausing to comment. Maybe these verses were already brought up- John 19:28,30 John 17:4 to name a couple.
The problem really of matthew chapter 5 for some Christians is the 4th commandment that they dont want to follow and not the entire ten. Verse 19 is so clear that its the TEN COMMANDMENTS. NO MORE NO LESS. (James 2:10 KJV) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (James 2:11 KJV) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. They are trying to do away with the ten just bacause they will not keep the 4th.
I can't tell you how many times in the comments section of our videos I read the accusation that the mainstream Christian theological position is based on what we do or don't want to do. The theory is that we don't want to rest one day a week or give up our bacon, etc. so we reinterpret the Bible to accommodate our personal desires. If that were truly the case, mainstream Christian theology would be waffling back-and-forth with each new generation and vary greatly between cultures and eras. But as it is, our position on these issues has remained unchanged since the apostles. Christians are not under the old covenant law not because that's what we prefer, but because that's what Scripture says. "By dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." (Rom. 7:6) "If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." (Gal. 5:18) "Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Col. 2:16-17) Shalom, RLS
SDA'S take the 4th commandment to the point of idolatry. Doesn't matter the topic or teaching, they always steer the conversation to the 4th commandment. It's all they want to debate. A cult with a false prophet and false message. Salvation by works leads to perdition.
The reason there is controversy over the meaning of certain passages in the Bible is problematic. The Bible was written in four different ways, literal, metaphorical, allegorical and anagogic (literal words with a spiritual meaning. Maybe, just maybe God purposed it that way so that we should seek HIM in prayer earnestly asking HIM to show us the truth of HIS ‘word’ AS HE WOULD HAVE US KNOW. Most Christians today only pray for the mundane things of this world instead of praying for what God wants of us, to guide us into his will for us.
Of course. All those sacrificial commandments are GONE with the death and resurrection of Christ. How can the Law still stand if part of it no longer applies?
Im new to bible study. Still reading for first time. Heaven and earth pass away. Wasnt christ the one that the heaven and earth were made through and for. Begginning and end. Aleph and tav. He said it is finished. When he gave his soul to the lord. He said the law would stay till it was accomplished. Christ passed Heaven and earth pass. It came to me as just random feeling
Wow! You are new and got that? That took me 2 or 3 years to finally pick up on that and I was studying on another topic when I finally saw it. Yes!!! I believe Heaven and Earth means the relationship between God (Heaven) and his people (Earth), it’s a metaphor. In Matthew 28:18 Christ says “I have been given ALL authority in Heaven and on Earth” So the old heaven and earth passed away when Christ was given all authority and we are dealing with a new heaven and earth now. Many many people dont see that so kudos to you for picking up on that in your very new bible studies..
Clear as mud. Jesus said in your reference of Luke 24:44 "...all things must be fulfilled , which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me." The "all things" that Jesus is referring to are exactly what he said, the things written concerning Him. (E.g. Isaiah 53 et al) Not the whole law of God, not all of the psalms, not all of the prophets. Has the Ezekiel 38-39 war happened yet? Has the future Ezekiel temple been built yet? I think you get the point. At least you seem nice in all your videos. But I'm sure the serpent seemed appealing and kind and intelligent and right also. This in no way made the serpent right, only that he had a subtle plan and knew how to bring it about with his victims. I hope you are not such as this, but just misdirected from a presupposed doctrine that you fit the Bible into like you speak of other movements or religions doing. This is understandable since you seem to like the corrupt ESV. Shalom.
Mathew 5:17-18, really means it will be still standing to testify about Christ Luke 24:44, but the works of the laws is not active anymore, Colossians 2:14-17, Roman 7:7-14, Hebrew 8:7-13, the old testament still be there to testify about the truth which is Jesus Christ.
Matthew 5 refers to the 10 commandments only based on v21,22 and 27,28 ( kill and adultery). "Till all be fulfilled" can not mean that the law is not binding any more because of v19 that means perpetuity since teaching for or against it will determine greatness or being least in the kindom of heaven which is in the future. You can never get the correct context if you only based on v18
2 Corinthians 3:15 - But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Even proving out greatly for some reason the Hebrew roots person just don't believe it? One verse pick is something they consistently do. I was showed in psalms that David excepted Worship?? Even with the one verse you could see that's not what the verse say. I got to the conclusion after debating many Hebrew roots. They have a doctrine and they will bend all scripture to fit that. For me i look at the bible to form my doctrine. I do love them as i have good friends in the Hebrew roots.
Thanks for your videos and your excellent teaching ministry. I recently purchased your book called Torahism and it's such a blessing. Can't stop reading it. Very informative
Doesnt the author of Hebrews also refers to Christ as a high priest in the line of Melchizedek priest of the Most High to whom Abraham tithed while Levi was still "in his loins". This is also how King David refers to him in Psalms. Because Christ existed from eternity and his sacrifice is superior because of this. Also the writer 9f Hebrew cites that the temple is a shadow as well I think. Lol listening while typing. Rob just brought up Melchizedek
Great video! It's hard to believe he actually used Hebrews 10:28 to promote Christians keeping the law when that passage is clearly being used to contrast the old covenant to the new covenant.
Ronnie Wright : It only is if you want to interpret it that way. A lot of such verses are interpreted with a pre-bias. Such as Colossians 2:16 which warns against judging for eating, keeping feast, New Moons and the Sabbath, which is exactly what most Christians actually do! Judging such.
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 .. I agree with your comment on Colossians: Paul's point was "do not judge others" (and do not let others judge you) regarding eating, keeping feasts, new moons, sabbath, etc. Those are mere shadows of the true substance, which is Yeshua. So, there is no argument there... But, you lost me on your first part of your reply. You seem to agree with D Wilbur's explanation of Hebrews 10:28. I have to say, that particular passage is so simple to understand, it's hard to believe anyone would take it as proof that Christians are required to keep the law of Moses. The writer of Hebrews was simply making the point (a contrast) that if, under the old covenant, anyone breaking the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses, how much more will the punishment be for those who set aside Yeshua's sin offering under the New Covenant. The New Covenant is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets and we are complete in Yeshua.
The error is that here in this video "fulfilled" means "changed or done:. His example is because Jesus fulfilled the sacrifical requirement in heaven, then the sacrifical law is done. This is a miss interpretation of Matthew 5. Amd miss application pf teith 8n Hebrews
Isn't David's appeal to authority outside of Scripture (scholars) the same mistake that Catholics make when they appeal to authority as in Church fathers of yore? When I have a debate with Catholics I'm almost never given an argument from God's Word but an argument from a Church father centuries ago. Which that Church father can be edifying in his writing, but it doesn't make him automatically correct.
Hey, Maestro! Personally, I think if anyone bases their entire argument on an authority outside of Scripture they are on shaky ground. But making an argument from Scripture, and then citing scholars or church fathers who agree or add to your argument is definitely valid. Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Oh for sure, the concern I was referring to in my comment though was when outside authorities are the crux of your argument and not Scripture.
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. So, is it perfect or faulty?
I just watched you quote half a verse out of context and then, immediately after doing so, criticize that type of unexamined and unsupported out of context reference.
Can you explain your definition of abolish and fulfill. Im referring to when he said, “Done not even think that I have come to abolish the law. I have not come to abolish but to fulfill.” Obviously you are saying that he came to abolish. Please define these terms. Thank!
That's a great question, davelyn! The word translated as "abolish" is καταλῦσαι (katalysai) in the original Greek, which means to destroy, throw down, or demolish. The word translated as "fulfill" is πληρῶσαι· (plerosai), which means to complete, fill, or fulfill. So in Matt 5:17, Jesus is saying "I have not come to destroy or throw down the Law, but to bring it to completion by fulfilling it's requirements." Either way, the Law has come to an end, of course. But there is a big difference between (a.) ending something by destroying it and making it void ("abolish"), and (b.) ending something by satisfying its requirements and bringing it to a state of completion ("fulfill"). Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots I’m glad you went to the Greek. You probably definitely know me re Greek than me. So katalyo is the preposition kata attached to the root lyo. Pleiroo is fulfill. He’s my observation. I believe he explains the meaning of these two words in verse 19. He contrasts relaxing the commandments with doing and teaching the commandments. The word for relax is lyo like in kata lyo. Is we lyo even the least of the commandments then we will be least in the kingdom but if we do and teach them we (pleiroo) the commandments and are great in the kingdom. I know pleiroo is not used there. But it is in Romans 8:3-4, because Sin is condemned iN the flesh through Jesus, the righteous requirement of the law can be fulfilled (pleiroo) in us. Only through the spirit of course. Ow that we have the spirit we can submit to Gods law (Rom 8:7). Just sharing how I see this verse.
The law is still current. Because the law identifies the sin . If there was no law there would be no sin ; no sin no need for grace and also no need for a savior or someone to pay the penalty . Jesus Christ ( the savior) paid the penalty for our sins. The difference between the old and New Testament is the punishment for breaking the law . It was instant death but here is where God grace comes in . He paid the price for us to have a second, third, and as many as 7x70 chances to repent.
Why does acts 15: 19-21 get left out? Seems a little handy when you cut that part out. where James gives begining rules to the gentiles then tells them to learn the rest of Moses in the Synagogues. Moses seat is where the law is learned. They didn't want to overload the gentiles all at once. I feel for you. You dug a deep hole and your career depends on you to dig down deeper
Overwhelm them with the very thing that was nailed to the cross and has vanished away according to Hebrews? Moral law is the only law. Jesus didn't say "they will know you are my disciples because you keep Torah." He said it was LOVE that fulfilled the law. Bacon eating has nothing to do with love. The kingdom of God is not in meat and drink. You are deceived.
v21 Is a statement, not a command. Not part of the rules given. v.19 In response to the questions of both circumcision did the keeping of the Mosaic law, it says to the Gentile believers that “we trouble not them.” v.24 says that “Certain which went out from us have troubled you with words saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law” “To whom we gave no such commandment: Same conclusion over 4 1/2 years later in Acts 21. Check out what the Word says. It’s not ok to read things into Scripture. Like suggesting it would overload the Gentiles-not what the Bible says, that’s just someone’s philosophy. Saying that it was beginning rules and they would learn the rest of Moses as it’s read in the synagogue-same thing. Deliberate adding to the passage in what it’s says. Check out the verses that speak about adding to God’s word. It’s a very serious thing. Don’t add. Don’t take away.
The Law of Moses has not changed. It’s simply renewed. Love Thy Neighbors as yourself, -Respect their morality, don’t let your morality hinge or cause anyone to stumble. -Be willing to protect or restore their health. -Be hospitable. -Always be consenting. -Bear their burden. …subsequently Love God; ultimately fulfilled all 10 commandments. Given that the 10 are fulfilled by this, none of the other 603 commands are necessary, as they only were because they lead to capability of atoning for breaking them. Which, atonement is Eternally complete, through Jesus. Honestly, the world will be complete once the OT is deleted
David keeps saying that "the argument that the book of hebrews" is posing... well the scriptures divinely inspired. The book of Hebrews isn't arguing anything, but revealing Gods inspired truth on the matter.
In analyzing the verse, I read Matthew 5:18 as this: "By the time heaven and earth pass away, the Law will have gone away due to all being accomplished."
@@TheBiblicalRoots What I find interesting is that the way Jesus phrases this verse echos Genesis 1:1 to me where God gives a summary of creation week, and then he proceeds to flesh out the details. In the same way, Jesus begins with a 30,000 ft view of "until heaven and earth will pass away", and then he fleshes that out in more detail in the second part of the verse with "until all is fulfilled".
Rob, please respond to the following question, and I only need a simple YES or NO response. I need no explanation, I need not to hear in order for you to respond you need to explain, that to me would be a statement to not truthfully respond. Can a Gentile believer who understands that it is by faith alone that one is saved, can he still observe the law of God? YES or NO? I don't thing you would respond to this question because many questions and statements of min you have not truthfully responded to.
Yes, he has to if he is truly saved. The Law of Christ. Abram was a Gentile, and he observed the Natural law of God. The law of Moses was given on Mount Sinai and was fulfilled at the Resurrection. Luke 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for[c] the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Hi, Sam. My answer is yes. In fact, that is exactly what is expected of Gentile Christians. But they do not need to observe the Law of Moses. Your pal, Rob
@@salpezzino7803 - It is clear from the Scriptures that Abraham was a Hebrew. Let be correct you, the Law of God (not Moses) was given to Moses on Mount Sinai, and what Yeshua fulfilled was that which was spoken of him, which has nothing to do with dismissing the law of God. Referring to the righteous, the Psalmist says, the law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide, which is a clear and a strikingly powerful statement being made on the law of God.
@@sundownsam3369 Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you’” --- Abraham was a Gentile
@@sundownsam3369 Acts 7 ----- Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you’”
Just subscribed. These Torah people were getting me confused. I've heard two say we had to get circumcised. Say what!!!!?? They said if we didn't keep the Torah we'd go to hell.
Since Yeshua taught in Hebrew/Aramaic. And the Greek is a translation of his teachings. What you should be asking is, what is the Hebrew/Aramaic equivalent for the Greek word parerchomai.
I believe that the phrase "heaven and earth" is actually an idiom about the temple. Many times in scripture the temple is linked with heaven and earth, also Josephus makes this same connection. What I believe Jesus is saying is that nothing will change in the law until the temple passes away. Which makes sense considering when the temple would be destroyed in AD70 all the laws that apply to the temple would pass away with it. Which is what the book of Hebrews is all about.
Wow, WOW, "Remember if we can find the Slightest change to the Law of Moses, our burden of proof has been met!" ..... There it is, there's the lie he flips in! That's CLEARLY not what Deuteronomy 13 says!😂 Busted!
Just wondering if Messiah was referring to himself as heaven and earth symbolically. Heaven being His divinity earth being His natural body. Until Messiah passes away the law will not change because when Messiah passes all is fulfilled, and the new covenant is in effect. Scripture is full of symbolism. If Joseph’s dad knew he was the sun and his wife the moon and the brothers the stars how much greater would Our Messiah be?
That's an interesting theory, Major Ola! In my opinion, there's nothing in the text or context to suggest Jesus had that sort of symbolism in mind. RLS
Hi, Skala! This wasn’t an actual real time debate. It is a “slow motion” debate. We are alternately putting out different videos on our channels, responding to one another. RLS
You said in another comment this: “The law was the Jews way of being justified before God under the Old Testament” Do you have any scriptures to back that claim?
@@ForgedinTruth Sir, because you asked so kindly. Deu 6:25 "And if we are careful to observe every one of these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us, then that will be our righteousness." "our righteousness" My position is that the law was given as a way of justification to the people of Israel, Jews. But now Jesus is the way, I know of course you do not agree with this. (smiling) Peace.
@@mrp3418 I do agree with you! Hebrews 7:27 Before Messiah came to pay the price for our sin, animal sacrifices had to be made in order to temporarily remove the stain of sin so that God can draw near to them and them to Him. After Messiah came and died, was buried and rose after three days and three nights now ushered in a new way to draw near to God and have our sin blotted out. There was a change in the sacrificial system and anything that had to do with the temple, in the promised land or by the priesthood. (This is recorded in the book of Daniel) •Honoring the Sabbath by resting doesn’t require animal sacrifices •Feeding the hungry doesn’t require animal sacrifices •caring for the orphans and widows doesn’t require animal sacrifices •eating biblically clean doesn’t require the priesthood, the temple or the prescribed sacrifice. The commandments of God weren’t only for Jews, they were for all the 12 tribes of Israel. Leviticus 20:26; Isaiah 11:12; Ezekiel 37:21 “He has declared to you, O man, what is good. And what does Yahweh require of you but to do right, and to love loving-commitment, and to walk humbly with your God?” Micah 6:8 “Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear God and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! (Not just the Jews) For God shall bring every work into right-ruling, including all that is hidden, whether good or whether evil.” Ecclesiastes12:13-14
Anybody show me where in the Old testament does it say Christ would change anything. The Bible says God will not do nothing unless you show it to his prophets Amos 3:7. You guys need to read Deuteronomy 13 all of. Second John nine through 10
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, *not like the covenant that I made with their fathers* on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord." (Jer 31:31-32)
@@TheBiblicalRoots the New covenant is with the house of Israel and the house of juice if you want to be in God's house you got to abide by God's rules it's just that simple. You must worship God in spirit and truth there's no truth in Sunday worship Easter Christmas New Year's Day Thanksgiving. Why we just can't preach the word like Timothy says
Interesting part putting down appeal to scholarship. Mr. Solberg did the same thing in his debate with Rabbi Singer. Rabbi Singer refused to recognize any scholarship as valid and appealed to scripture only as valid. Check out the debate. It was excellent.
If you listen carefully, Tim, I did not "put down an appeal to scholarship. " Rather, I made a very specific statement about scholarship, which, BTW, included the statement ""I'm certainly not opposed to siding scholarship. I do it all the time in my books and papers." You might consider re-watching that section of the video (04:11). Blessings, Rob
So when I came to the faith, I was immediately brought into a Hebrew roots Christian congregation. They weren't cult-y and their teachings were very thoughtful. The community was super friendly and caring so I really considered their theology to be solid. Plus, given the testimony of the people in the congregation, studying Torah gave them a deeper understanding of God and having done that for the past two years I would say that studying the Torah and Messianic Jewish teachings have been a huge spiritual blessing.
That being said, I've always felt like there was something off. Not seriously so, but enough to make me doubt the walk. Although having converted at 30, mainstream Christianity didn't seem right either and all of that confusion stems from not understanding the expectations God had of me in my Christian walk.
Of course we're saved by grace alone, but we're also told to *work* out our salvation with fear and trembling so I can thank you enough for breaking this subject down and helping me to have to certainty of the application of the Law of God in my life to the level of being able to defend my choice to abstain from pork without feeling like I'm failing God by not adhering to every Mosaic command I can.
This really has been a blessing and I sent it to a friend of mine who has also been having doubts about the Torah walk, it has felt lacking in grace to us both at many times.
I praise God for His perfect work and thank you for your well-articulated teachings! 🙌🏻
Thanks, Alle! I appreciate you sharing a bit of your story and am grateful to play a small part in it.
Blessings,
Rob
That's pretty much my testimony as well almost to t
Hebrew roots is a dangerous spiritual counterfeit. The religious freaks are not Christians. They are wannabe Jews.
Wilbur is not your brother in Christ Rob. He’s a heretic who spits in the face of Jesus and tramples his sacred blood.,
Someone should make a fridge magnet with the saying: "read the next verse", it would help a lot in my opinion.
Thank you for this presentation, very clear and straight to the point.
Ha! I would buy that fridge magnet. Thanks for the kind words, Schellycraft! Blessings, Rob
LOL
I also agree a few things as I listen to you.
Dang ... David can go SO fast! I have watched him for a while. I do believe that his mind is probably in top 0.01% of smarts. I am sure he is brilliant.
He does (David) make a point, quote a scholar and then assumes the argument is closed and moves on.
You (Rob) are very opposite in the way you present. You are methodical, detailed, and in a more global (bigger picture) kind of way. I like the way you say something like "let's unpack this scripture" then proceed to do exactly that.
I also admire your (Rob) mental prowess, and I've said that before. Your depth of knowledge into the our Holy Bible inspires me and makes me thirst for more.
This was a great teaching and if there was still a little sway in me toward the Torah followers, you yanked me back to where my heart knows that I need to be.
Thank you for your ongoing work on the behalf of your fellow men.
Thank you, Mike! God bless you, sir. -Rob
Brother Rob, thank you for this channel and for your book "Torahism". I believe the Lord has sovereignly lead me to your material, and these resources have greatly helped me to understand Hebrew Roots theology, matters of conscience with celebrating the feasts, and brotherly love regarding disputation. I thank the Lord for your material, keep fighting the good fight and contending for the faith of God's elect!
Rob, watching this again for the
"quite a fewth" time. Really appreciate your ministry as i pray for my friends taken in by the roots movement.
On the subject of the curtains, i would say it's more than just trying to shift the argument because that curtain represented Christs body broken for us. That can't just be shifted around to fit what someone is espousing. It reminds me of other arguments from their teachers trying to fit their view at any cost.
I agree, Jimmie!
"Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, *that is, through his flesh,* and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water."
Heb. 10:19-22
@@TheBiblicalRoots what's your non-public reply address?
Well it's very nice to see a genteel debate with much less of the usual polite yet disrespectful snide personal remarks about the other person that I have seen in other videos. Thank you, I believe these kinds of debates, iron sharpening iron, rather respectfully, are very good for the walk in the faith. I disagree with your conclusions based upon how we read the text, but it was a nice watch just the same.
I would assert that the Sabbath still stands but I would not have taken the approach that there are NO changes in the Mosaic law under the New Covenant. Here is the major problem within the HR movement, many don't understand that there IS a change in the law with the New Covenant! Those changes come about, out of necessisty, with the change of the priesthood. So, the Levitical laws, the temple services, and the sacrificial system have all been fulfilled with the change of the High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. I would agree with you Rob on these changes and Hebrews spells that out for us. I also like that you brought up Hebrews 10:26-31, but I would like to break those verses down some. Verse 26 state that if we sin willfully after we received the knowledge of the truth that there remains no longer a sacrifice for sins. We must ask ourselves what is truth? The biblical definition of truth is found in Ps. 119:142 and 151. These verses tell us that God's laws and His commandments are truth. We will be judged by them if we willfully break His commandments. I would also agree that under the New Covenant it is worse! Under the old covenant anyone who rejected Moses could be condemned to death by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses. Verse 29 tells us it is worse for us if we trample the Son of God underfoot counting the blood of the covenant by which we are sanctified as a common thing and insult the spirit of grace. Grace is only given to those who choose to walk in obedience to God's law(Ps. 103:17,18.) You do not do this without Christ and you do not need grace if you don't want to walk in obedience. Grace is given as we learn to walk within God's righteous laws. 1 John 3:7 tells us we PRACTICE righteousness. Righteousness is found in Ps. 119:172, all of God's commandments are righteousness.
It is the 10 commandments that remain in BOTH the old and new covenants. These 10 commandments are God's moral law. Under the Old Covenant, the commandments were written on stone, because of their hearts, they did not want to obey. Under the New Covenant, the commandments are written on our hearts. We do them because we love Him, not for salvation! God has always wanted obedinence, but out of our love for Him. The sabbath was given to mankind before there ever was a nation of Israel. The Sabbath was given to man at creation. Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man(mankind) not just Jews or Israel, and He claimed to be Lord of the Sabbath! I can even show you that He rose during the night of the Sabbath, not on the first day of the week, through a breakdown of the Gospel accounts but that would take too long in this post.
It is the Sabbath that points us to Christ. Sunday, while I am not against anyone meeting on that day, is not the new Christian sabbath. It is NOT the "Lord's Day" as that term came from the Catholic Church. We do not keep a "sabbath principle" by choosing whatever day we want to set apart either. God is the one who chose the 7th day and blessed it and set it apart. He even tells us WHY in the commandment itself, "For in six days God created the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in it. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." We cannot undo what God has done. This is why Christ kept the Sabbath and calls Himself the Lord of it. He tells us to follow Him as He has followed His Father in John 15:10.
There is a lot of early church history of the first century believers all keeping the biblical sabbath and the feast days. This began to change shortly after the first century as Christians started to distance themselves from anything "Jewish" This is where the separation begins. The sabbath and the feasts of the LORD are NOT "Jewish," they are God's ways! We consider them as being only for Israel because of this separation that began shortly after the first century. A careful reading of the book of Acts will show you that the disciples and the Apostle Paul were continuing to meet on the Sabbath day and keeping the set apart times. They didn't do this just because they were Jewish and that was their custom. They did it because Jesus did not come to change these things and He kept them also, as an example to us! We are to walk as He walked if we are His followers.
We find our rest in Christ. Creation week shows us this. There are 6 days(or 6,000 years) for man and then we enter into the Sabbath rest or millenial reign. This is a shadow picture and it is why the Sabbath is important. This is what Hebrews 4 is showing us. All thoughout the scriptures we find God asserting that the Sabbath is His! The 7th day Sabbath is the LORD's day! He set it apart and told us to remember it. Sadly, we have forgotten it or we make it about salvation. I do not put my salvation in ANY commandment as that would make Christ to have died in vain! I keep the Sabbath because I love Him and He said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." We should ALL want to do this. We all agree that sin is the trangression of the law. The law's only purpose is the show you what sin is. So, breaking this day IS a sin and if Jesus is your messiah, you should follow Him and no longer want to just walk away from this commandment. It is through Christ we begin to walk within the law. You cannot walk out God's righteous laws without Him! Once you accept Him as your Messiah, He puts His Spirit in you and He changes your desires from one who walks in disobedience to one who wants to walk in obedience. Keeping the Sabbath shows that Christ is the one that is leading you. It is the evidence of your faith in Him. I don't earn any merit, it does not make me better, and I would never want to throw it in anyone's face. Please Rob reconsider this one. I really would like to have some dialog with you.
Blessings, Ray
Love how you broke it down. I too am a firm believer God's laws are eternal. And we should all follow them, this is how we respond to him Yahsua with gratitude. In the old covenant God demanded a sacrifice to atone for sins. And now that Yahshua has come. He became the perfect sacrifice once for all. And Yes there was a change in Gods Law. Now I come and present myself to the Lord as a living sacrifice as in Romans 12 to leave my old life and walk the new life through Yahshua. And I will follow his laws in the new Way.
And there is no house of the Lord that man can create in this new way. We can follow God wherever we are. The ground I step in to adore the Lord is Holy. Let's do as Yahshua said brothers and sisters. May the Lord fill you all with joy and so much wisdom.
@@zaratecharles68 Appriciate the kind words brother!
@@RestorationofallThings Honor and Glory to the Lord brother.
Wow, the way David can explain away the vail being torn by God as being so insignificant is so miserably sad and scary for him. Paul Warned believers in Galatians to continue in the spirit and not to revert back to the works of the law.
How do you call yourself "abiding in Christ" when you don't abide or FOLLOW what He did? He said, "My DOCTRINE is not My own, but HIS who sent Me." He is the WORD OF GOD. So you abide in THE WORD OF GOD, HIS TORAH? How come the prophets talk of God's wrath falling on those in the future who reject His laws and commandments? Hmmm, I wonder if THIS IS the great deception? Satan deceiving many and leading a REBELLION AGAINST GOD? It is foretold, and what did Satan do in the garden? Did God REALLY SAY? He deceived them into being disobedient! If God now wants us NOT to KEEP His Laws, and Satan is deceiving us to Keep them, then Satan and God have traded places and switched places. Or not!!!
@@LightSeekers777 you abide in the Torah but I abide in the completion of the Torah which is Jesus Christ! I saw you on the lifestream earlier. you seemed a lot more timid in your behavior but perhaps that was because there were so many other people. Around. Please read Romans over and over until it starts to make sense for you. We are all born under Adam under the law of sin and death however, those who are born again in Christ are set free from death and are alive in him!
You are right there is a great deception burning through Christians. Stealing the joy of believers and condemning those who were at one time set free. My heart breaks for those and I pray the Lord will rescue them before the sacrifice the Lord made is of no use to them.
@@abidinginchrist3139 So you're set free from what? Jesus came to die to set you free from KEEPING God's Laws? He came so that now, breaking God's Law is no longer Sin? Now we are free to break God's Laws because it no longer applies? ..... Paul says the flesh cannot SUBMIT to the Law of God, that is why it is at enmity with God, therefore what does the SPIRIT do? ... Or how about, "Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?" Or, "If they don't believe Moses or the PROPHETS neither will they be PERSUADED even if one rises from the dead.".... PERSUADED to what? Turn from sin, breaking God's Laws? Repent? Turn TOWARDS God's ways? Wicked literally means crooked in Hebrew and straight is connected to the word for RIGHTEOUSNESS, this is why there is so much about, "making paths straight." I wonder why it's so hard for our flesh to OBEY. I wonder if it's because we say we want God, but what we REALLY want is to cling to our SIN. We love darkness is what Jesus says.....
@@abidinginchrist3139 Oh, now I understand, you ABIDE (Definition- accept or act in accordance with a rule, decision, or recommendation). So you FOLLOW by NOT FOLLOWING, and you ABIDE by NOT DOING what Jesus did? So we are God's children, but we DISOBEY, and we are FOLLOWERS of Christ, but we don't FOLLOW? ...FOR WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE PUNISHES EVERY SON WHOM HE ACCEPTS. If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?
For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."
@@LightSeekers777 Abide means to stay to remain. Jesus said ” I am the vine and my father the husbandman. Every branch in me that doesn’t bear fruit he takes away and every branch in me that does bear fruit, he purges so it will bear more fruit. Abide in me and I in you As the branch cannot bear fruit of its self, Accept it abide in the vine, no more can you, except you abide in me. I am the vine you are the branches, he that abides in me and I abide in him, the same bring forth much fruit. For Without me you can do nothing.” John 15 1-5
When someone is arguing on the side of truth they are usually calm and confident. A false teacher has to pull out all the stops just to try and bring enough confusion they must just convince themselves. Keep up the class act Rob💙
Thank you, Samuel! R.
@@TheBiblicalRoots Even Tovia Singer believes that gentiles don't have to keep Sabbath.
@@TheBiblicalRoots Would love to email you some topics that will leave Tovia Singer with nowhere to turn. As a matter of fact, he doesn't have videos about it. I was blocked from his channel as well as Tanakh talk for topics that they could not answer. I would love for you to bring those topics up in your upcoming debate.
@@cohenlevilovesyeshuahamash900 I'd love to hear your thoughts. You can contact me here: rlsolberg.com/contact/
Shalom! Rob
Huh, totaly not a true (pun intended) statement,
have you ever got accused of something you didn't do, and you know the "truth" about it. Lol Man is so esaly swad of Truth by his own Self!
The Satan loves all the divisions of YAHs peoples, Religions is HIS play ground!
Good job decimating the arguments in a calm and completely straight forward and easy way to understand using clear scripture.
Thank you! R.
Q: how can he be a “brother in Christ” if he teaches another gospel? Doesn’t Galatians say anyone with a different gospel is accursed? And Paul also says that those who cause division are to be marked and avoided?
I’m so glad you brought up scholarship. During the debate, I was thinking the same thing. Scholarship is not something to go to the bank on. Not all scholars are correct in their thinking/beliefs. I can think of plenty of “biblical scholars” who would completely disagree with the scholars mentioned by David. Scripture itself is the authority, not scholars.
Amen, Sonya! There is certainly a place for citing scholars. However, one typically makes a point, and then offers evidence to support that point, and part of that evidence may be quotes from scholars. But I noticed David doesn't often do that. He simply quotes a scholar and moves on. So I got the sense during the debate, and during his rebuttal video, that I wasn't engaging with what David thought, but rather with his scholars.
Blessings,
Rob
I appreciate the civility that you and David display in discourse! I appreciate the attentiveness to scriptural detail that you do so well in your illustrations. The word of the Lord truly is living and active! Keep it up, we love you brother!
Thank you, Savvy Cavvy!
Most welcome Mr. Rob!
Hey Solberg, thank you for your hard work. I used to be a member of the HRM years ago, and recently began my conversation to Cstholicism. I wish I would have had these arguments back in the day. God bless you brother.
That’s a huge jump given why they claim about Catholics! I used to be one too, I looked into the Orthodox Church but I will most likely go Lutheran. God bless!
@@CaesarGB Yeah, I was super duper anti-Catholic when I was with HRM. 😂😂
Serves and GB I'd love to hear more of your stories of leaving HR
@@DaltonPyron The Roman Catholic communion claims their priests are Levitical priests. Watch the debate between James White and Jesuit Mitch Pacwa " Is The Priesthood Biblical and Ancient?" There were other debates between James White and Mitch Pacwa....all worth your time.
Thank you, SC! Blessings, Rob
Rob, thank you for all the work you are doing here!
I wanted to ask you a question about what you said at 2:53. Have you ever come across any historical information that references the temple being the place where “heaven and earth” meet? I posted a comment earlier but apparently including a link gets it deleted. Either way, do some quick searches on the idea of the temple, and even when the law was given at Sinai, as being where “heaven and earth“ met. A book came out in 2009 about this idea but there is also a good bit of other material about that idea. I just wanted to get your thoughts. Thank you again!
Thanks, Mike! Yes, in fact in my recent conversation with scholar Chad Bird we discuss this very issue. You can watch our comments on that here: ruclips.net/video/i-z49HmzW5M/видео.html
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Thank you for the very quick response Rob and for pointing to the specific part in that discussion. I will be listening to the rest of it within the next couple of days for sure.
I certainly agree with all you said around the obvious changes in the New Covenant when compared to the Old Testament law. I made notes on the use of “all” in Matthew 5:18 in the past and will simply copy and paste them here below in case they can assist anyone else when dealing with HRM’s interpretation of Matt 5:18.
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What does “all” mean here? What does “all” mean in these verses? What is the context of accomplished?
Luke 18:31
31 And taking the twelve, he said to them, “See, we are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written about the Son of Man by the prophets will be accomplished.
- Would “everything” in its fullest sense include Christ returning for his bride as in Revelation? Yes, and clearly Jesus is not including that. There is always a context.
- “all” in Matt 5:18 is the same Greek word we have here for “everything” (g3956. πᾶς pas).
Luke 21:22 for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written.
- Would the fullest use of “all” here include the millennial kingdom? Of course. And yet that is not what Jesus is including.
John 19:28
28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), “I thirst.”
- If “all” was finished 2000 years ago, why are we still here? Again, “all” is not being used in the fullest since and almost never is. Context should be very important to the interpreter.
John 19:30
30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Luke 9:30-31
30 And behold, two men were talking with him, Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.
Luke 12:50
50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!
Does automatically interpreting “all” in its fullest sense in Matt 5:18 mean you do not need to consider context or consider the logical result that, for example, if nothing, including the method of atonement (animal sacrifice) has passed from the law, then you have no atonement in Christ? Clearly not.
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I noticed Rob didnt have an answer as to what "until heaven and earth pass away" actually meant but focused on "until all is accomplished".
Does "until heaven and earth pass away "have to be end times talk. Could "until heaven and earth pass away" be a passing of seperateness so instead meaning a coming together of the two. This way "until heaven and earth pass away" could be the same as "until all is accomplished". Or does this just not work?
The law regarding circumcision never had anything to do with eternal salvation anyway. It was only a sign of the covenant regarding land inheritance made with Abraham. This is why I believe Paul says it doesn’t matter.
Exodus 31:14 “Therefore you are to keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it must be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3], holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.“ (NASB)
Exodus 35:1 Then Moses assembled all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and said to them, “These are the things that the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 “For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a Sabbath of complete rest to the Lord [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.“ (NASB)
Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness [Heb. midbar], they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day [Exodus 20:8-11; Leviticus 23:1-3]. 33 And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34 and they placed him in custody, because it had not been decided what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must be put to death [Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18]; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation [Heb. edah] brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses. (NASB)
Hebrews 3:17 And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness [Heb. midbar]? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest [Psalm 95:11], but to those who were disobedient? (NASB)
Deuteronomy 27:26 “ ‘Cursed is anyone who does not fulfill the words of this Law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’ “ (NASB)
Matthew 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away [Revelation 21], not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!“ (NASB)
It's the ministry of death (Exodus 31:14-15; Exodus 35:1-2; Numbers 15:32-36; Deuteronomy 27:26; Matthew 5:18), engraved in letters on stones (2 Corinthians 3).
The one who has ears, let him hear.
There is now way for you to read the 5:17-20 and interpret that God changed his law. Unless this video was made with the intent of being click bait. Jesus said not one jot or tittle would change. Here’s another passage from Jesus regarding Moses law and authority: 23 :: NIV. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. Now the teachings of the Pharisee are based on the law of Moses and Jesus according to this verse commands his disciples to do what they teach but not what they do. Disciples imitate their teacher the goal is to be like the master. If he observed sabbath then I will, if he act kosher then I will, if he picked up his cross then I will.
Great video. I also would point out that, even if the HR/TO position could somehow establish the ongoing validity of the sin offering, they invariably have to change the purpose of the offering. Usually, instead of “atonement”, it is for “remembrance”, or something similar. That, of course, would also be a change in the Law.
And appeals to passages in the Torah that speak of making one fit to enter the Temple are simplistic and don’t cover the breadth of the language in the Torah. The sin offering really did atone for the sin of the person making the sacrifice, but in a temporal way, canceling God’s temporal judgments. Jesus’ sacrifice “makes perfect” those who are being set apart (Heb 10:14). If we are made perfect by Christ, there is simply no more reason for a sin offering, not for the original reason, and not for the theoretical “remembrance” reason.
Excellent points, Andrew! Any suggestion that any sin sacrifice should be continued (or restarted) at any time is a slap in the face to the sufficiency of Christ's atoning sacrifice on our behalf.
Bless you! Rob
@BW not sure if you know this but God Himself said that the offerings would cease.
Not sure if you know that God only tells the prophets when He’s going to change something? Paul was not a prophet and he never received direct revelation from God, so what Paul did was took the words of the prophets and reiterated them to the people in regards to the Law of God which is also called the law of Moses who was a prophet.
@@ForgedinTruth "Not sure if you know that God only tells the prophets when He’s going to change something?" I thought God doesn't change?
Because others have that God doesn’t change, doesn’t mean that I said that.
“Ěl is not a man, to lie; nor a son of man, to repent!
Has He said, and would He not do it;
or spoken, and would not confirm it?”
Numbers 23:19
Well he confirmed it right here!
““And he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall put an end to slaughtering and meal offering....”
Daniel 9:27
““Many shall be cleansed and made white, and refined. But the wrong shall do wrong - and none of the wrong shall understand, but those who have insight shall understand.
“And from the time that which is continual is taken away....”
Daniel 12:10-11
Excellent video! Loved the Original debate also. David seems fixated with the opinions of men more than scripture. As you pointed out the title of Scholar does not necessarily mean correct. I have dealt with this ideologue mentality myself of all places debating on twitter with SDA's. In this circumstance you can't keep one foot in the old testament and one foot in the new testament. There was a change, you point this out perfectly repeatedly. We should always seek the scriptures for Truth and not stay hung up on our idea of what that truth should be. I think some of this problem stems from people not reading their Bible straight through, I see that so much when people will post on twitter their daily Bible study, I don't see them reading an entire book but rather skipping around to maybe a chapter here and a few verses there. How does one get the context of what the author is trying to say by chopping up the text so? This is where false doctrines creep in. I could go on in great length about this topic but will wrap it up here 😏. Love your channel I have watched all of your videos, some more than just a couple times. You have a heart for Truth and it comes through loud and clear. God Bless you and your family 🙏
Thank you so much, David. I'm glad you're finding my videos helpful and beneficial. Thank you so much for the encouraging words!
Blessings,
Rob
I think that verse is extraordinarily clear. The use of hyperbole is very common in scripture, thus "until Heaven and Earth pass away" is used. The line "until all is accomplished" is also crystal clear. The 2nd coming hasn't happened as well as a lot of other prophecy so the Law remains in effect for those who want to follow it....just as Jesus did :)
Rob, May I again commend to your audience another vital teaching by you, the man I am beginning to think of as one of my rabbinical instructors. Your teaching guides into understanding, rather than interpretation. Thank you, Pastor Greg
Really enjoyed the video. What would you say to the more "reformed" understanding of Matthew 5:18 which states that only the cerimonial aspect of the law is changed? Thanks
Very good question, I thought of that as well. The reformed explain Matt. 18 the same exact way the Torah and 7th day groups do and it irks me!🤦♀️ LOL
As you have previously stated, "Context is King."
PASS or CHANGED?
He says Matthew 5:17- 18 says that nothing can "change" from the law. That's why he is pointing out all these changes to strengthen his argument.
But Matthew 5:18 does not say "CHANGE". It says not one jot or tittle will "PASS". The meaning of "pass" and the meaning of "changed or change"are two different Greek words and meanings.
Change means to change one thing into another. Like the law was changed from the levitcal priesthood to the Melchizedek.
Pass doesn't mean the same as changed. Pass means that not one jot or tittle will be set aside or placed off to the side. It has nothing to do with anything changing.
Thus when Jesus said not one jot or title will PASS from the law he was not talking about changes. Thus changes can be made, like the priesthood, while at the same time the law is not destroyed.
Thus the law being fulfilled does not set any part of the law to the side.
For example, because Christ fulfilled the need for 1 sacrifice in heaven for sins, does not set aside the sacrificial law on earth. It was not "set aside", because it was "fulfilled". Thus it was not "destroyed" either.
Temple will be built. There will be a Zadok Levitical priesthood and sacrifices will start up on earth, because heaven and earth have not passed, nor has these laws been set aside. Ezekeiel
Thanks, Josef! In Matt 5:18 the word translated "pass" (or some translations say "disappear") is παρέρχομαι (parerchomi). And it's used twice in this one verse: "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth _parerchomi,_ not an iota, not a dot, will _parerchomi_ the Law until all is accomplished." (Matt. 5:18)
According to _The Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature,_ in the context of this verse, the word _parerchomi_ is used to mean "to come to an end and so no longer be there, pass away, disappear." For that reason, I have to respectfully disagree with you when you say that "pass has nothing to do with anything changing." When something comes to an end (like "heaven and earth" and "the Law") it most definitely changes!
Blessings, Rob
Wonderful clarity again Rob. HR movement to rely on scholars opinions of scripture rather than the whole Word of God is troubling. I watched a debate between a Torah observant and a pastor of church a few years ago. Was very concerning to listen to the Torah observant dependence on scholars opinions rather than scripture. Pastor kept using scripture and every counter was “yea, but scholars say such snd such”.....just unfortunate.
Thanks, J.!
Not just scholars, but portions of certain scholars to which they can use to support their premises.
You should really watch more debates with Jews and Christian’s.
Very narrow on your opinion on the case.
The book of Hebrews says that there must of necessity have also been a change in the (Mosaic) law. This is because although the law was spiritual, holy, just, and good, it was not of faith. This was the faultiness of the Mosaic (and all O T.) Law. Thus Christians are delivered from O.T. law, and are under grace. Rom. 10:4 says Christ is the end of the law (all of it, even the Decalogue) for all that believe.
@DefendingtheBiblicalRootsofChristianity, This was excellent! I’m sharing and watching again. ❤ This is my go-to verse for JW’s, Mormons, Catholics, Hebrew Roots people, and anybody else who thinks they need to obtain or maintain righteousness by their works: James 2:10 “For whoever shall keep the whole Law and offend in one point, he is guilty of the whole Law. Look to Christ. 💝
Thanks so much brother Rob..May GOD ALMIGHTY RICHLY BLESS YOU.
Very nice Rob.. Truth Wins!! No matter what type of argument I hear from the Hebrew roots movement, I come away from it feeling like I’ve been swindled… Absolutely false teaching all the way. It’s got to be a Cult.
It is my understanding that the Talmud described two goats, one for sacrifice and one sent to Azazel or the wilderness. The priest would tie a scarlet thread to the goat for Azazel and cut a piece of the thread off and tack it to the temple door. It would turn white indicating that Yah had accepted the sacrifice for the people's sins. According to the Talmud 'scholars'/rabbis, the thread never turned white after Jesus crucifixion. This would also signal an end to the animal sacrifice prior to the destruction of the temple.
Acts 15 should clear up any doubts in regards to following the law.
19It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. 21For Moses has been proclaimed in every city from ancient times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
( Acts 15 ]
.... verse 21 ) is often ignored.
It shows us that the Gentile believers would learn more about the Law and how to live as they would go to synagogue and hear the Word of GOD.
@@amsterdamG2G ....your interpretation is wrong, where does it state in the Bible that a gentile believer must obey the law once they come to faith in christ ?
@@amsterdamG2G ....do you believe any of the apostle Pauls books ? Galatians is very clear on the law subject
@peterthepakeha2799 Am i really misinterpreting the verses?
Let's reverse the question....where does it say a ( gentile ) believer can or should break/ignore the law? What is our problem with the Law, is it not the Word of GOD? Psalm 119:142 even says it's the Truth. Should we not love (the) truth? David did and he was a man after God's hart.
And of course i read and believe the letters of Paul. Galatians might seem clear to you but is the most misunderstood of the letters. Paul says he delights in and serves the law ( Romans 7:25 )
I believe 2 Peter 3:16 where he says about Paul's letters:
...as also in all the letters, speaking in them concerning these things, among which some things are difficult to be understood, which the ignorant and unestablished distort to their own destruction, as also the other Scriptures.
Paul confirms:
So indeed, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. ( Romans 7:12 )
But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, because it has been written: "You shall be holy, because I am holy."
( 1 Peter 1:15,16 )
So how can we follow the command given by Peter to be holy if we ignore the Law that is holy?
In my opinion the things that we believers are most 'against' are the Sabbath/biblical Feasts and the food laws. While in fact those are the most easy things to obey. Hart circumcision is difficult and can only be done by Christ.
Denying ourselves, dying to the flesh is our greatest battle in my opinion, not following commandments.
@@amsterdamG2G ....read the book of Galatians....its very clear a believer in christ is free from the law of moses which was to the Israelite. If righteousness could be gained from the law christ died for nothing. Any believer in christ is free from the law if Moses, the argument you bring is the same one Paul had with the judaists.
I’m so grateful for these teachings!
I’m getting a better understanding about Paul because of your videos. Thanks, keep ‘em coming!
Careful and clear defense of you position. Makes excellent biblical sense.
Scripture interprets scripture, what happened during Daniel’s time? Wasn’t there a pause in the law? He couldn’t sacrifice like when he was in Jerusalem.
So if the end is declared from the beginning then we must check what’s before Matt 5:18 to determine what’s after.
It seems fitting that Daniel was given the prophecy that there would be another pause just like his pause.
Daniel twice speaks of the animal sacrifices stopping temporarily then when Yahshua returns he will call back the Levite’s from the line of Zadoch to serve Him again in the Set Apart place like Ezekiel speaks of.
Hebrews 10 clears it up
Thanks, EO. But Hebrews 10 makes it very clear that this is not a pause, but rather sin sacrifices have come to an end. "there is no longer any sacrifice for sin" (Heb 10:18). God’s requirement for atonement has been fulfilled "once for all" (Heb 10:10). And if Jesus fulfilled that requirement, is it still required?
Shalom,
Rob
That’s as clear as mud!
“Now the summary of what we are saying is: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Greatness in the heavens, and who serves in the set-apart place and of the true Tent, which יהוה set up, and not man.
For if indeed He were on earth, He would not be a priest,
since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the Torah, who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly, as Mosheh was warned when he was about to make the Tent. For He said, “See that you make all according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.””
Hebrews 8:1-2, 4-5
“Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses.”
Hebrews 10:28
@@TheBiblicalRoots
He only fulfilled that requirement for those who chose to accept His free gift!
Those who didn’t expect before He returns will see Him and some will wish to be dead and the rest will be required to come to Jerusalem every Sukkot.
Ezekiel 40-48 speaks of this along with Jeremiah, Isaiah, Zechariah, etc...
““And it shall be that from New Moon to New Moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” declares יהוה.”
Isaiah 66:23
“And it shall be that all who are left from all the gentiles which came up against Yerushalayim, shall go up from year to year to bow themselves to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts,
and to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.
And it shall be, that if anyone of the clans of the earth does not come up to Yerushalayim to bow himself to the Sovereign, יהוה of hosts, on them there is to be no rain.
This is the punishment of Mitsrayim and the punishment of all the gentiles that do not come up to celebrate the Festival of Sukkot.”
Zechariah 14:16-17, 19
@@ForgedinTruth I see you follow the same god as David. Hebrews 10: 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? ---- Hebrews 7:23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, 24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever. 25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. ---- 1 John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. ---- Hebrews 4:14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
So well done my brother!!! Thank you for this and your P&E videos-teachers teaching teachers!
I appreciate that, 2hungerandthirst!. Thank you.
Shalom,
Rob
Im starting to lose all sympathy for those who cannot rightly divide. God sends the delusuon. You cannot argue with a fool. If righteousness comes by the Law then Christ died in Vain. Love one another, but love enough to correct. Its very tiresome in this day of heresy. But, it wasnt like we werent told it would increase.
I'm halfway through but I keep thinking, what do these guys do with Paul?
You may consider this man a 'brother in Christ', however he is an errant brother causing many people to follow a wrong path into harmful doctrine or even worse a Jesus + Works requirement for salvation. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 clearly commands, "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us." Also 1 Timothy 6:3-5 teaches to "that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly". These verses are for your spiritual health, lest you become to proud and fall down a path of compromise.
I agree, David is an Apostate and works for at least 3 Synagogues of Satan
Hey, J. I hear what you're saying and I certainly agree that he is in error in his theology. But since David has openly declared that salvation comes through faith in Christ alone and that he has placed his faith in Him, I am taking him at his word. This video is me trying to correct a brother who has gone astray.
Shalom,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Many openly declare their Faith - Yet, David's fruit is sour. He works for at least 3 false ministries that teach Torah Observance for ALL which is in Direct conflict with the Gospel of Jesus Christ --- Here is a quote from David explaining the New Covenant: "My understanding is that the New Covenant reinforces Torah observance. Jeremiah says that in the New Covenant God would write His law (Torah) on the hearts of believers (Jeremiah 31:33). There is no indication that the Torah that God writes on our hearts in the New Covenant is different from the Torah that He wanted to be on our hearts all along (Deut 6:6; 11:18). Paul alludes to this prophecy when he writes that Christians are empowered by the Holy Spirit to live out God's law (Romans 8:2-4)." Those in this Cult teach a 'renewed' covenant not a New Covenant, I like the way he jumped over Jer 31:32 and Hebrews 8. Rob Peace to You. Jesus rebuked many in His day, even His disciples Eph 5:11
Heaven and earth was that temple where God dwelt in sanctuary. Jesus is saying before heaven and earth can pass away , he must fulfill the law and the prophets. What it is the "till" is a bit confusing.
Like some people say for example when hell freezes over , I'll do it.
Heaven and earth Isn't what you see out side but rather the temple.
Like God told Moses and Aaron , Miriam, heaven and earth are against you this day.
God bless you ❤❤❤ the Holy Spirit is in you ✝️❤️❤️
Do you know the the temple in Jerusalem was know as Earth in heaven? Just a note.
Do you know the Temple was rebuilt in 3 days?
I would look forward for you Sir Solberg to debate with Daniel Joseph of Corner Fringe Ministries, on the Law of Moses.
Matt. 5:18 is crystal clear. Nothing can change until all is fulfilled. Period. Before that, it would take heaven and earth to pass away.
I understand trying to be reasonable and see the other side’s argument, but a plain reading really should not lead to the Torah observant position🤷♀️
I was in the movement for over 5 years and they would always say “has heaven and earth passed away??” totally ignoring the “till all is fulfilled” part. And when you bring up that part, they would always respond that Jesus hasn’t fulfilled everything yet, like his second coming, etc.
I have not finished the video, just pausing to comment. Maybe these verses were already brought up-
John 19:28,30
John 17:4 to name a couple.
The problem really of matthew chapter 5 for some Christians is the 4th commandment that they dont want to follow and not the entire ten. Verse 19 is so clear that its the TEN COMMANDMENTS. NO MORE NO LESS.
(James 2:10 KJV) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(James 2:11 KJV) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
They are trying to do away with the ten just bacause they will not keep the 4th.
I can't tell you how many times in the comments section of our videos I read the accusation that the mainstream Christian theological position is based on what we do or don't want to do. The theory is that we don't want to rest one day a week or give up our bacon, etc. so we reinterpret the Bible to accommodate our personal desires.
If that were truly the case, mainstream Christian theology would be waffling back-and-forth with each new generation and vary greatly between cultures and eras. But as it is, our position on these issues has remained unchanged since the apostles. Christians are not under the old covenant law not because that's what we prefer, but because that's what Scripture says.
"By dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." (Rom. 7:6)
"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." (Gal. 5:18)
"Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Col. 2:16-17)
Shalom,
RLS
SDA'S take the 4th commandment to the point of idolatry. Doesn't matter the topic or teaching, they always steer the conversation to the 4th commandment. It's all they want to debate. A cult with a false prophet and false message. Salvation by works leads to perdition.
The reason there is controversy over the meaning of certain passages in the Bible is problematic. The Bible was written in four different ways, literal, metaphorical, allegorical and anagogic (literal words with a spiritual meaning. Maybe, just maybe God purposed it that way so that we should seek HIM in prayer earnestly asking HIM to show us the truth of HIS ‘word’ AS HE WOULD HAVE US KNOW.
Most Christians today only pray for the mundane things of this world instead of praying for what God wants of us, to guide us into his will for us.
Of course. All those sacrificial commandments are GONE with the death and resurrection of Christ. How can the Law still stand if part of it no longer applies?
Im new to bible study.
Still reading for first time.
Heaven and earth pass away.
Wasnt christ the one that the heaven and earth were made through and for.
Begginning and end. Aleph and tav.
He said it is finished. When he gave his soul to the lord.
He said the law would stay till it was accomplished.
Christ passed
Heaven and earth pass.
It came to me as just random feeling
Wow! You are new and got that?
That took me 2 or 3 years to finally pick up on that and I was studying on another topic when I finally saw it.
Yes!!!
I believe Heaven and Earth means the relationship between God (Heaven) and his people (Earth), it’s a metaphor.
In Matthew 28:18 Christ says
“I have been given ALL authority in Heaven and on Earth”
So the old heaven and earth passed away when Christ was given all authority and we are dealing with a new heaven and earth now.
Many many people dont see that so kudos to you for picking up on that in your very new bible studies..
Clear as mud.
Jesus said in your reference of Luke 24:44 "...all things must be fulfilled , which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."
The "all things" that Jesus is referring to are exactly what he said, the things written concerning Him. (E.g. Isaiah 53 et al)
Not the whole law of God, not all of the psalms, not all of the prophets.
Has the Ezekiel 38-39 war happened yet? Has the future Ezekiel temple been built yet?
I think you get the point.
At least you seem nice in all your videos. But I'm sure the serpent seemed appealing and kind and intelligent and right also.
This in no way made the serpent right, only that he had a subtle plan and knew how to bring it about with his victims.
I hope you are not such as this, but just misdirected from a presupposed doctrine that you fit the Bible into like you speak of other movements or religions doing. This is understandable since you seem to like the corrupt ESV.
Shalom.
Mathew 5:17-18, really means it will be still standing to testify about Christ Luke 24:44, but the works of the laws is not active anymore, Colossians 2:14-17, Roman 7:7-14, Hebrew 8:7-13, the old testament still be there to testify about the truth which is Jesus Christ.
Matthew 5 refers to the 10 commandments only based on v21,22 and 27,28 ( kill and adultery).
"Till all be fulfilled" can not mean that the law is not binding any more because of v19 that means perpetuity since teaching for or against it will determine greatness or being least in the kindom of heaven which is in the future. You can never get the correct context if you only based on v18
If the law didn't change, or more accurately wasn't completed or fulfilled. There is no new covenant.
I like this video, how you put the bullet points with hand writing to list tbe topics or whatever. Good format.
Whoa tje videonclip pf all the scholar references was hilarious
2 Corinthians 3:15 - But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Even proving out greatly for some reason the Hebrew roots person just don't believe it? One verse pick is something they consistently do. I was showed in psalms that David excepted Worship?? Even with the one verse you could see that's not what the verse say. I got to the conclusion after debating many Hebrew roots. They have a doctrine and they will bend all scripture to fit that. For me i look at the bible to form my doctrine. I do love them as i have good friends in the Hebrew roots.
Thanks, Pete!
Thanks for your videos and your excellent teaching ministry. I recently purchased your book called Torahism and it's such a blessing. Can't stop reading it. Very informative
Thanks so much, Anthony! Bless you! Rob
Can’t wait for July 17 and all the rebuttals that will follow
What happens on July 17th?
That should be interesting!
Hi Jesse. On July 17th I am scheduled to debate rabbi Tovia Singer live in Nashville.
@@TheBiblicalRoots will this be an open venue, free for people to come and watch?
Doesnt the author of Hebrews also refers to Christ as a high priest in the line of Melchizedek priest of the Most High to whom Abraham tithed while Levi was still "in his loins". This is also how King David refers to him in Psalms. Because Christ existed from eternity and his sacrifice is superior because of this. Also the writer 9f Hebrew cites that the temple is a shadow as well I think. Lol listening while typing. Rob just brought up Melchizedek
Great video! It's hard to believe he actually used Hebrews 10:28 to promote Christians keeping the law when that passage is clearly being used to contrast the old covenant to the new covenant.
Ronnie Wright : It only is if you want to interpret it that way. A lot of such verses are interpreted with a pre-bias. Such as Colossians 2:16 which warns against judging for eating, keeping feast, New Moons and the Sabbath, which is exactly what most Christians actually do! Judging such.
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 .. I agree with your comment on Colossians: Paul's point was "do not judge others" (and do not let others judge you) regarding eating, keeping feasts, new moons, sabbath, etc. Those are mere shadows of the true substance, which is Yeshua. So, there is no argument there... But, you lost me on your first part of your reply. You seem to agree with D Wilbur's explanation of Hebrews 10:28. I have to say, that particular passage is so simple to understand, it's hard to believe anyone would take it as proof that Christians are required to keep the law of Moses. The writer of Hebrews was simply making the point (a contrast) that if, under the old covenant, anyone breaking the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses, how much more will the punishment be for those who set aside Yeshua's sin offering under the New Covenant. The New Covenant is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets and we are complete in Yeshua.
The error is that here in this video "fulfilled" means "changed or done:. His example is because Jesus fulfilled the sacrifical requirement in heaven, then the sacrifical law is done.
This is a miss interpretation of Matthew 5. Amd miss application pf teith 8n Hebrews
Amen and enjoying our new and better covenant
Isn't David's appeal to authority outside of Scripture (scholars) the same mistake that Catholics make when they appeal to authority as in Church fathers of yore? When I have a debate with Catholics I'm almost never given an argument from God's Word but an argument from a Church father centuries ago. Which that Church father can be edifying in his writing, but it doesn't make him automatically correct.
Hey, Maestro! Personally, I think if anyone bases their entire argument on an authority outside of Scripture they are on shaky ground. But making an argument from Scripture, and then citing scholars or church fathers who agree or add to your argument is definitely valid. Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Oh for sure, the concern I was referring to in my comment though was when outside authorities are the crux of your argument and not Scripture.
Great to see another video Rob! Awesome work!
Thanks, Nico!
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
So, is it perfect or faulty?
I just watched you quote half a verse out of context and then, immediately after doing so, criticize that type of unexamined and unsupported out of context reference.
Great Video. Thanks again for posting more details on this scripture. You are doing a great job teaching on a very needful topic.
I appreciate that, Jonathon! Blessings, Rob
I saw his video, we need to pray for that guy, is so confused 🙌🏻
Can you explain your definition of abolish and fulfill. Im referring to when he said, “Done not even think that I have come to abolish the law. I have not come to abolish but to fulfill.” Obviously you are saying that he came to abolish. Please define these terms. Thank!
That's a great question, davelyn! The word translated as "abolish" is καταλῦσαι (katalysai) in the original Greek, which means to destroy, throw down, or demolish. The word translated as "fulfill" is πληρῶσαι· (plerosai), which means to complete, fill, or fulfill.
So in Matt 5:17, Jesus is saying "I have not come to destroy or throw down the Law, but to bring it to completion by fulfilling it's requirements."
Either way, the Law has come to an end, of course. But there is a big difference between (a.) ending something by destroying it and making it void ("abolish"), and (b.) ending something by satisfying its requirements and bringing it to a state of completion ("fulfill").
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots I’m glad you went to the Greek. You probably definitely know me re Greek than me. So katalyo is the preposition kata attached to the root lyo. Pleiroo is fulfill. He’s my observation. I believe he explains the meaning of these two words in verse 19. He contrasts relaxing the commandments with doing and teaching the commandments. The word for relax is lyo like in kata lyo. Is we lyo even the least of the commandments then we will be least in the kingdom but if we do and teach them we (pleiroo) the commandments and are great in the kingdom. I know pleiroo is not used there. But it is in Romans 8:3-4, because
Sin is condemned iN the flesh through Jesus, the righteous requirement of the law can be fulfilled (pleiroo) in us. Only through the spirit of course. Ow that we have the spirit we can submit to Gods law (Rom 8:7). Just sharing how I see this verse.
The law is still current. Because the law identifies the sin . If there was no law there would be no sin ; no sin no need for grace and also no need for a savior or someone to pay the penalty . Jesus Christ ( the savior) paid the penalty for our sins. The difference between the old and New Testament is the punishment for breaking the law . It was instant death but here is where God grace comes in . He paid the price for us to have a second, third, and as many as 7x70 chances to repent.
Why does acts 15: 19-21 get left out? Seems a little handy when you cut that part out. where James gives begining rules to the gentiles then tells them to learn the rest of Moses in the Synagogues. Moses seat is where the law is learned. They didn't want to overload the gentiles all at once. I feel for you. You dug a deep hole and your career depends on you to dig down deeper
Overwhelm them with the very thing that was nailed to the cross and has vanished away according to Hebrews? Moral law is the only law. Jesus didn't say "they will know you are my disciples because you keep Torah." He said it was LOVE that fulfilled the law. Bacon eating has nothing to do with love. The kingdom of God is not in meat and drink. You are deceived.
v21 Is a statement, not a command. Not part of the rules given.
v.19 In response to the questions of both circumcision did the keeping of the Mosaic law, it says to the Gentile believers that “we trouble not them.” v.24 says that “Certain which went out from us have troubled you with words saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law”
“To whom we gave no such commandment:
Same conclusion over 4 1/2 years later in Acts 21. Check out what the Word says.
It’s not ok to read things into Scripture. Like suggesting it would overload the Gentiles-not what the Bible says, that’s just someone’s philosophy. Saying that it was beginning rules and they would learn the rest of Moses as it’s read in the synagogue-same thing. Deliberate adding to the passage in what it’s says.
Check out the verses that speak about adding to God’s word. It’s a very serious thing.
Don’t add. Don’t take away.
The Law of Moses has not changed.
It’s simply renewed.
Love Thy Neighbors as yourself,
-Respect their morality, don’t let your morality hinge or cause anyone to stumble.
-Be willing to protect or restore their health.
-Be hospitable.
-Always be consenting.
-Bear their burden.
…subsequently Love God; ultimately fulfilled all 10 commandments.
Given that the 10 are fulfilled by this, none of the other 603 commands are necessary, as they only were because they lead to capability of atoning for breaking them.
Which, atonement is Eternally complete, through Jesus.
Honestly, the world will be complete once the OT is deleted
The temple was replica of the one in heaven above. He gave Moses the instructions on how to make it.
David keeps saying that "the argument that the book of hebrews" is posing... well the scriptures divinely inspired. The book of Hebrews isn't arguing anything, but revealing Gods inspired truth on the matter.
18:42 Clearly murder and witchcraft were perfectly legitimate acts for these new believers since only a few things were mandatory.
I find David’s arguments as rather convoluted.
There is so much confusion because people do not understand the Old testament scriptures Isaiah 42:21 says Jesus Christ will magnify the law
In analyzing the verse, I read Matthew 5:18 as this: "By the time heaven and earth pass away, the Law will have gone away due to all being accomplished."
Thanks, Maestro! I agree that the Law of Moses is not eternal and was not intended to last forever.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots What I find interesting is that the way Jesus phrases this verse echos Genesis 1:1 to me where God gives a summary of creation week, and then he proceeds to flesh out the details. In the same way, Jesus begins with a 30,000 ft view of "until heaven and earth will pass away", and then he fleshes that out in more detail in the second part of the verse with "until all is fulfilled".
Rob, please respond to the following question, and I only need a simple YES or NO response. I need no explanation, I need not to hear in order for you to respond you need to explain, that to me would be a statement to not truthfully respond.
Can a Gentile believer who understands that it is by faith alone that one is saved, can he still observe the law of God? YES or NO?
I don't thing you would respond to this question because many questions and statements of min you have not truthfully responded to.
Yes, he has to if he is truly saved. The Law of Christ. Abram was a Gentile, and he observed the Natural law of God. The law of Moses was given on Mount Sinai and was fulfilled at the Resurrection. Luke 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for[c] the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Hi, Sam. My answer is yes. In fact, that is exactly what is expected of Gentile Christians. But they do not need to observe the Law of Moses.
Your pal,
Rob
@@salpezzino7803 - It is clear from the Scriptures that Abraham was a Hebrew. Let be correct you, the Law of God (not Moses) was given to Moses on Mount Sinai, and what Yeshua fulfilled was that which was spoken of him, which has nothing to do with dismissing the law of God.
Referring to the righteous, the Psalmist says, the law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide, which is a clear and a strikingly powerful statement being made on the law of God.
@@sundownsam3369 Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you’” --- Abraham was a Gentile
@@sundownsam3369 Acts 7 ----- Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you’”
Thanks very much for your very useful work.
Lord Jesus Christ bless you
Very happy to discover this beautiful Channel ❤️
Thank you, M F! Blessings, Rob.
Subscribed to the channel. Grateful for what you do, I have friends that have fallen to these doctrines.
Thank you for all you do
In other words it would be more likely that even the smallest detail of the law forshadowing him would be completed before the heavens and earth pass
Just subscribed. These Torah people were getting me confused. I've heard two say we had to get circumcised. Say what!!!!?? They said if we didn't keep the Torah we'd go to hell.
Paul addresses that in Galatians. No, if you are uncircumcised, then stay that way.
Interesting how Wilbur recognizes circumcision as a synecdoche but doesn't acknowledge any in Hebrews 🤔
Since Yeshua taught in Hebrew/Aramaic. And the Greek is a translation of his teachings. What you should be asking is, what is the Hebrew/Aramaic equivalent for the Greek word parerchomai.
I believe that the phrase "heaven and earth" is actually an idiom about the temple. Many times in scripture the temple is linked with heaven and earth, also Josephus makes this same connection.
What I believe Jesus is saying is that nothing will change in the law until the temple passes away. Which makes sense considering when the temple would be destroyed in AD70 all the laws that apply to the temple would pass away with it. Which is what the book of Hebrews is all about.
@@t.scottmajor1316 A judgment against Israel for their disobedience just like the destruction of the second temple.
I've read a lot on this too! Makes sense for sure. Thanks for sharing
Solberg has a lot to explain about the Temple of Hezekiel. Why this new temple that is built on a bigger are than the former temples?
Hey my friend, I have loved your articles and videos. I would love to get you scheduled on remnant radio if you’re ever interesteD?
Thanks! I'd love to chat with you. You can reach out to me here and I will get back to you: rlsolberg.com/contact/
Shalom, Rob
Wow, WOW,
"Remember if we can find the Slightest change to the Law of Moses, our burden of proof has been met!" ..... There it is, there's the lie he flips in! That's CLEARLY not what Deuteronomy 13 says!😂 Busted!
Just wondering if Messiah was referring to himself as heaven and earth symbolically. Heaven being His divinity earth being His natural body. Until Messiah passes away the law will not change because when Messiah passes all is fulfilled, and the new covenant is in effect. Scripture is full of symbolism. If Joseph’s dad knew he was the sun and his wife the moon and the brothers the stars how much greater would Our Messiah be?
That's an interesting theory, Major Ola! In my opinion, there's nothing in the text or context to suggest Jesus had that sort of symbolism in mind.
RLS
Scholars, scholars, scholars lol
What does scripture say?!?! 😂
I love when HR believers use commentaries as fact too!
Great point regarding scholarship. 👍🏽
Why you didn't show us full debate unedited?
Hi, Skala! This wasn’t an actual real time debate. It is a “slow motion” debate. We are alternately putting out different videos on our channels, responding to one another.
RLS
Keep it up.
Think that your arguments here are logical, you set up the thinking well with the help of the word and you make it easy to understand.
You said in another comment this:
“The law was the Jews way of being justified before God under the Old Testament”
Do you have any scriptures to back that claim?
@@ForgedinTruth
Sir, because you asked so kindly.
Deu 6:25 "And if we are careful to observe every one of these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us, then that will be our righteousness."
"our righteousness"
My position is that the law was given as a way of justification to the people of Israel, Jews. But now Jesus is the way, I know of course you do not agree with this. (smiling)
Peace.
@@mrp3418
I do agree with you! Hebrews 7:27
Before Messiah came to pay the price for our sin, animal sacrifices had to be made in order to temporarily remove the stain of sin so that God can draw near to them and them to Him.
After Messiah came and died, was buried and rose after three days and three nights now ushered in a new way to draw near to God and have our sin blotted out.
There was a change in the sacrificial system and anything that had to do with the temple, in the promised land or by the priesthood. (This is recorded in the book of Daniel)
•Honoring the Sabbath by resting doesn’t require animal sacrifices
•Feeding the hungry doesn’t require animal sacrifices
•caring for the orphans and widows doesn’t require animal sacrifices
•eating biblically clean doesn’t require the priesthood, the temple or the prescribed sacrifice.
The commandments of God weren’t only for Jews, they were for all the 12 tribes of Israel. Leviticus 20:26; Isaiah 11:12; Ezekiel 37:21
“He has declared to you, O man, what is good. And what does Yahweh require of you but to do right, and to love loving-commitment, and to walk humbly with your God?”
Micah 6:8
“Let us hear the conclusion of the entire matter: Fear God and guard His commands, for this applies to all mankind! (Not just the Jews)
For God shall bring every work into right-ruling, including all that is hidden, whether good or whether evil.”
Ecclesiastes12:13-14
Thanks alot rob for making this video
Anybody show me where in the Old testament does it say Christ would change anything. The Bible says God will not do nothing unless you show it to his prophets Amos 3:7. You guys need to read Deuteronomy 13 all of. Second John nine through 10
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, *not like the covenant that I made with their fathers* on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord." (Jer 31:31-32)
@@TheBiblicalRoots the New covenant is with the house of Israel and the house of juice if you want to be in God's house you got to abide by God's rules it's just that simple. You must worship God in spirit and truth there's no truth in Sunday worship Easter Christmas New Year's Day Thanksgiving. Why we just can't preach the word like Timothy says
...what law ?
Interesting part putting down appeal to scholarship. Mr. Solberg did the same thing in his debate with Rabbi Singer. Rabbi Singer refused to recognize any scholarship as valid and appealed to scripture only as valid. Check out the debate. It was excellent.
If you listen carefully, Tim, I did not "put down an appeal to scholarship. " Rather, I made a very specific statement about scholarship, which, BTW, included the statement ""I'm certainly not opposed to siding scholarship. I do it all the time in my books and papers." You might consider re-watching that section of the video (04:11).
Blessings, Rob