When spider wire came out it changed the game. It was strong and affordable. . They just stopped caring in the product amd put out plastic like trash in fancy boxes
Yeah, I bought spider wire twice, once it was fine, but one time I bought a 50 pound line and tested how strong it was. It broke around 20lbs, when most line tests a few pounds above what it is rated for
Tim, Great refresher on lines. TB Has earned my respect and trust over the last 8 years. ¿¿¿Will you please give us a video on how you ty the knots you use for the different lines with terminal tackle and braid the leader??? Also, would you give us Your favorite leader lengths different applications. Thanks, guy
Berkley fluoroshield is a great co polymer. At the beginning of the year I caught a 16lbs Buffalo on 12lbs line. When I got it in I checked the line and it was nicked so bad. It was nicked in 7 different places, and It still held up to a big heavy powerful fish like a Buffalo.
P-Line Floroclear is a solid budget friendly line. I’ve used it for years and I have a lot of confidence in it. I’ve also learned that it is equally important to tie good knots and retie your lures every so often because of abrasion. Tight lines y’all!!!
Also, try Izorline XXX and Gamma Polyflex in like diameters, same as Sufix Elite. These lines will compare well with Floroclear price and performance wise, and offer some other advantages.
I use it for heavier line, like 17-20lb+, but it’s abrasion resistance is terrible with lighter line sizes compared to other brands like sunline and seagar. I would strongly suggest not using any light line that they make. It will shred on wood and your connection knots will fail quicker. Seagar and sunline can fish through wood all day without a scratch, but I’ve frayed p-line just sinching a uni knot down….
@@tagg946 - yep, for me Floroclear is for trout and panfish in open water areas. PLine CXX while not a fluoro, is as tough and strong as any line out there, aside some fluoro having a tougher/harder outer shell and resisting abrasion better.
As a bank angler, I’ll spend the money on lines I’m using for pitching or short casts. I use a backing and then will put on the premium line because even if I snag, break off I barley have any line out so the premium line will last longer. Now when it comes to long casts or treble baits I’ll go to a budget line because snags from the bank are tougher to get back. So I’ll go through line quicker and will be changing lines up a lot sooner than my pitching rod.
Tim & Matt, I just recently got back into bass fishing after a 20 year hiatus. I've learned so much from your videos in the last couple months, I actually can approach a lake or pond with confidence that I can catch fish. Keep up the great content, I appreciate y'all sharing the knowledge.
I can't get enough of yall's videos. They are a breath of fresh air in this crazy world. Thank you for the time and effort you both put into them. God bless.
Hey Tim and Matt. I have been wondering. How many double digit fish have each of you guys caught? or do yall even keep up with it. Love the content you guys are the best. Cant wait for the Buyers guides! Good Luck on the water and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
These are great. I especially love the line ones. My hookup to land ratio has improved watching you guys, due to line only no other equipment changes. The one line you mentioned I have had a bad experience with is Maxcuratro. It would break considerably more than regular PowerPro or KastPro. Maxcuratro reminded me of Spider Wire with breakage issues. BTW, SpiderWire was the first braid I tried, and last time for Spider Wire. I'm not sure why, but I don't have that problem with regular PowerPro, KastPro, or Seagar Smack Down braided lines. I re-tie religiously, too. I use the Palomar or San Diego Jam knot depending on Lure. I'm currently using Seagar Smack Down Hi-Vis Braid, KastKing Kastpro braid, Seagar Inviz-X FC, Daiwa Samaria FC, and Berkley Big Game Mono. I try to support my local tackle shop that does reel service & repair. He keeps the bulk spools. Thanks again for these tips 🍺🎣
Are you guys changing the buyer’s guide videos because TW changed the Black Friday sale? I’m not sure I’m a fan of the new sale because if you miss a week you can’t get those items on sale anymore. I’d rather they have the 20 percent off around Thanksgiving and then do the 12 days of Christmas sale. I feel like I was able to get more stuff on sale the old way. With this new sale if I have a lot of bills to pay a certain week, I just miss the sale for that week. I’ve already missed one and I might have to miss the fishing line sale this week too.
We've done some rearranging for sure to get key information when it is most helpful. The buyer's guides start tomorrow! 🙂 Sorry Bout the missed sale segments. We missed one as well but we're all learning and adapting as we go. All the big ones are still out in front so we'll see how it went once it's all over.
You also miss out on free shipping with this new sale because you don’t need $50 worth of one item. I need new line but by the time I pay shipping, I might as well buy in a local shop.
I’ve been using the Daiwa J braid for years and love it. I switched to their samurai fluorocarbon last year and have really like it too. It seems to have better abrasion resistance.
I loved the j-braid for a long time but the suffix 131 is rounder and slicker so it doesn't screech as loud when pulled over weeds and pulled hard through open water.
If you fish 1/2 oz reaction baits for bass on a MH rod. 40lb Seagur Smackdown all day. Casts great, thin, literally got snagged and pulled the gear off a crankbait because it wouldn't snap.
I've been using 15# Power Pro yellow to 10# Trilene XL. Great setup for river Smallmouth. Best part, is the knots really hold with this combo. Mono leader helps me, more forgiving, especially when not very clear.
The Maxcuatro sounds like exactly like what I need on my weed/grass infested lake. Might the abrasive nature of this line cause a higher level of wear on line guides though?
spiderwire stealth 50/65 lb test 10/15 lb test for finesse. berkley trilene big game 10/20 and then some fc for leader line if i want. thats just what i like, makes it easy to choose with all the lines out there. spend more time fishing and less time thinking lol
Thank you for all your wisdom and knowledge from your lifetime experience! You and Matt have taught me so much and I've landed so many fish using your tips and tricks. Thank you!
I've tried Fluoro, that stuff is some kind of joke, it snaps right off every hookset. Total trash as fishing line. I have used straight braid in clear water and black water, makes no difference I catch the same amount of fish as I did with fluoro and mono so I don't think fish care about seeing the line or not.
This year, I purchased a Kastking Zephyr BFS baitcaster to throw some smaller lures ( small bass in Northern Illinois, so, small lures) and I paired it with a co-polymer 6 lb test line. Now, I cant totally blame the line, but, the reel was letting any loops on the spool get between the spool and inner side plate, and damaging it to the point where it broke a few times ( I returned the reel) but, the line seemed to have less stretch than the same weight mono and held a knot well, so I can't criticize it too much. I went back to throwing the same lures on a 1000 series spinning reel with 8 to 10 lb braid ( I use a few different brands) but I wish the BFS reel was designed better. I do use a lot of braid to fluoro for bottom baits, and I appreciate the lack of stretch in both of them.
It's not "as normal", it's a totally different schedule this year. But Buyer's Guides start TOMORROW and we've restructured the order to match the sales as they come 👍🏼
I love when you guys bring up solid information for all levels of anglers. I’m always sharing your channel with new anglers and this type of stuff takes time to learn and summing up saves time. Knowledge is power!
How about recommending an all around line for us guys that go fishing with just one or two poles!! I don’t have 10 poles all set up for specific techniques.
Daiwa J-braid 8x 20-50lbs straight braid no leaders for baitcasters. Works fine for me in all environments from clear creeks/rivers/lakes to black water. With all braid you just have to put up with line twisting around the tip of your rod constantly, inline swivels help but I hate having to use extra gear. Lately I started using non swivel snap clips for faster lure changes without having to retie constantly, loving it so far! I only use 4 poles. One piece 6' Light Fish Hawk rod with ultra light Pflueger presidential reel (not a fan), 10lb 8x J-braid. Two piece 6.6' medium fast 2500 Daiwa LT reel/rod combo, 20lb 8x J-braid I use these 2 rods when wading in rivers and creeks, with the 2 piece strapped to my backpack most of the time. Bank fishing, or in my boat I mainly use these 2 rods, but bring all 4 in the boat. 7' medium heavy fast baitcaster abu garcia promax/vengeance rod combo, 20lb 8x J-braid 7 medium heavy bass proshops rod with Daiwa ct100, 30lb 8x J-Braid Next year I will be switching to all Daiwa reels and maybe rods to.
I have questions regarding line, specifically light fluorocarbon ( 6 lb test and lighter), what knot are you using for connecting to the lure? Also I tend to have trouble getting good braid to leader knots with these lighter sizes, is the 9 turn blood knot still what you use for these sizes?
I want to pick up fishing again. I noticed a lot has changed since the 90 with lines.... I want to respool my old reels with new lines, but line specs are so different now.... let's take an example... reel speced for 0.3mm 180m 8lb to 0.4mm 100m 15lbs , but if I look at braided line 0.3mm, braided line is alike a 22kg line nowadays, and even a 0.14 line is still something like 6.8kg but I guess you would need like 300+ meters of the stuff to fill a spool.... I am so confused.
That would depend entirely on the specific lines in question. They can be formulated many different ways. For example, we use stretchy fluorocarbon as leader material but would not use it as a mainline, except for select crankbait applications.
In my experience fluoro is trash that snaps instantly on me every time I hook set or get snagged, zero stretch. You couldn't pay me to use that stuff ever again.
What are your thoughts on using backing? In an attempt to save a little money, using a cheap mono to take up space on the spool so you’re not using so much braid or fluorocarbon. Do you use it? How much backing would you put on?
It’s so variable by reel. I use a line counter on the main line to home in on how much backing will give me the main line length to fill the spool to the level I want while also providing the casting distance plus a margin. Start with a lot of backing, tie on the main line, load the spool to the level you want and check the yardage of main line you just put on, without cutting the new main line. If you didn’t add the yardage you want, wind the main line back onto its spool by whatever method you have, and remove more backing. It’s a PIA, but once you’re set up on that reel you can really economize on how many loads you get out of each spool. But I’d love to know a better way to dial it in, especially with loading braid over mono backing!
You should try the braided PE line coming from the industry leader of braided Ice Line line leader Woodstock Line Company its called WICKED SLICK. NO FADE color, great feel.
You probably did, we had a brief glitch yesterday 👍🏼But since you're already ahead of the curve you might as well know that Buyer's Guides start tomorrow 🎣
Good base class...while I know it's not really possible to list all of the available brands/models within their lineup - you are missing mono/copolymer lines from major players like PLine,Yozuri, Sunline, Gamma... Braid whether fused, extruded, multi-strand, is endless. Specialty lines from YGK and Daiwa Samurai are missing from your list. Lesser known lines like Tuf-line, Phenix Rods, PLine, Spro, are also very good lines. Fluoro is the same, there is Daiwa's new fluoro, Yozuri's T7, Gamma, Tatsu, PLine, Trilene... In the end, can't cover it all, but it would be good to see more than just PP, Sunline, Sufix, Maxima on the list. BTW... thanks for "flashing" da Daiwa Steez CT. ;-) Excellent base class on lines, thanks Tim!
good info but why do anglers feel the need to make it so confusing??? We all know fish can see the line but to show the amount of line you have and the number of line cases is ridiculous for the average angler. (I suspect most are beginner to recreational or average, pro anglers probably aren't watching these types of videos about line). How about keeping it simple and go with the more preferred method like general use, use a fluorocarbon and braid with a leader.
@tacticalbassin no complaints here. Thanks.. question when u do the next swimbait video can u cover snaps and swivels. And if and when u should use them
Sincere thanks to you commenters that use straight braid. I would like to hear more about this! With all the controversy about lines and leaders, I am seriously considering trying straight braid instead of braid to fluoro leaders like I use now-but I still have some concerns about it. If any of you would care to elaborate on your setups, applications, and experiences using straight braid for other than top waters, it would be most appreciated!!!’
Both are awesome reels, they're also very different. If you need a direct answer now we'll be happy to talk through all the details, just let us know. But spoiler alert... buyer's guides start tomorrow and Wednesday's video will really help you make that decision. So if you want to wait you can do that too.
Mostly fish straight fluoro and second braid. Connection knots are just another place of potential failure. Can’t stand power pro , had 50 lb snap way too often. Lots of better braids out there
I have been using Beyond braid for over a year and have had 0 issues. I use 40lb for chatterbait in the CA Delta. and 60lb for punching. Never had it break yet through toolies logs ect.
when your thowing braid and you have the drag locked down, you catch a fish and you have cut through on the spool when the outer layer digs into the the under layer and birds nest? was it not spooled on correctly or was it the wrong type of braid?
how long do you run floro leader on braid? ive been doing this for about 15 years, after learning about putting a "topshot" on a spool of braid for ocean fishing. i try to start with about two rod lengths of floro then straight to braid with a J knot. 4 and 6lb leader for ultra clear water(and 50+ feet deep!) in diamond vally lake in southern California
I throw the drt tk and 9 and the wcz citizen and battleshad 6/7 on durabraid and daiwa samurai floro combo for saltwater bass no issue. Try braid to leader for your big baits
Tim, thanks for the video. Do you think braided line, with its extreme strength and no stretch specifications will contribute to future shoulder injuries in anglers?
Great vid Tim.I didn"t now about 131 think i will lool inti it.Gamma has been my braid for 10 years now.Its crazy how terible braid was 25 years ago,flat with frays.Its off topic but line watching those coils when deadsticking a worm was huge this year.ran into a lot of shallow fish and if you didnt drop your rod tip and watch you missed out.
tim i noticed you pulled out a spool of the flipping fc. i have been using it for about five years, really like being able to see my line but it does retain a lot of memory
One of the most underrated braided lines is P-Line TCB braid. It has a teflon coating for additional abrasion resistance, it barely loses any color, and it is hydrophobic, meaning it does not absorb water making it great for ice fishing too. I used it almost exclusively last season and had 0 breaks.
Appreciate the line information. How long of a leader are you using when going braid to fluoro on a big swimbait? Are you sending the double blood knot through the eyes?
Great video as always, Tim. Forgive me if I missed it in the video but any suggestions for line when the temps are below freezing? Do you use a specific type of line?
A cool video touched all the basics. I wish you guys would have talked about line conditioner if you use it? Which ones you recommend if you do.But good video overall 👍🏼
I’ve been using a Flourocarbon coated copolymer line for years. It’s strong and is 1/3 less than straight Flourocarbon. I don’t find it has the mono stretch to it. It doesn’t seem as rough as straight Flourocarbon and it doesn’t backlash as easy as Flourocarbon. I was surprised you don’t like using it. Excellent information in this video. Looking forward to the buyers guides videos.
Same here. I use it probably 90% of the time and don’t get break offs. I’ve caught multiple double digit bass and huge catfish on it. My hooks fail before my line.
Pline premium CX is my go to line. Incredible knot strength. CXX also has fantastic knot strength but is more wirey and bigger overall diameter. But that stuff is super super strong. When you get snagged it's very difficult to intentionally break off the bait even with 10# line!! CX premium is way more supple and casts amazing. I can't say enough good things about Pline co polymer.
Great video, is it ever ok to throw straight braid? I’m mostly on lake mead which often has 30-40 ft clear visibility. Is there ever a time or technique I can just throw straight braid and not worry about the leader?
What is the different between fluorocarbon line and fluorocarbon shock leader? For the price point, I’ve seen that fluorocarbon line is much cheaper than the fluorocarbon shock leader. Thanks
Probably a stupid question, but if I am running braid and have a heavy/extra fast rod and use mono as a leader,-would that in essence slow it down closer to a fast action since mono stretches?
Where can you get that large Plano line storage box? I would love to get those to organize all my lines spools at home, but can't find anything like it on the Plano site. Can you tell me where to get one?
Biggest thing i learned about fishing line is that spiderwire is absolute trash
When spider wire came out it changed the game. It was strong and affordable. . They just stopped caring in the product amd put out plastic like trash in fancy boxes
spiderline in 96 was the best along with berkley fireline
Yeah, I bought spider wire twice, once it was fine, but one time I bought a 50 pound line and tested how strong it was. It broke around 20lbs, when most line tests a few pounds above what it is rated for
Lol...yeppers, a worse performing version of the OG Fireline.
Man I just learned that lesson this past weekend. The worst I've ever used.
Tim, Great refresher on lines. TB Has earned my respect and trust over the last 8 years.
¿¿¿Will you please give us a video on how you ty the knots you use for the different lines with terminal tackle and braid the leader???
Also, would you give us Your favorite leader lengths different applications.
Thanks, guy
Berkley fluoroshield is a great co polymer. At the beginning of the year I caught a 16lbs Buffalo on 12lbs line. When I got it in I checked the line and it was nicked so bad. It was nicked in 7 different places, and It still held up to a big heavy powerful fish like a Buffalo.
How long do you make your leader? So if you're deep cranking, how long of a leader do you use? Vs. Ned rig in 10-15' water?
P-Line Floroclear is a solid budget friendly line. I’ve used it for years and I have a lot of confidence in it. I’ve also learned that it is equally important to tie good knots and retie your lures every so often because of abrasion. Tight lines y’all!!!
Also, try Izorline XXX and Gamma Polyflex in like diameters, same as Sufix Elite. These lines will compare well with Floroclear price and performance wise, and offer some other advantages.
I use it for heavier line, like 17-20lb+, but it’s abrasion resistance is terrible with lighter line sizes compared to other brands like sunline and seagar. I would strongly suggest not using any light line that they make. It will shred on wood and your connection knots will fail quicker. Seagar and sunline can fish through wood all day without a scratch, but I’ve frayed p-line just sinching a uni knot down….
@@tagg946 - yep, for me Floroclear is for trout and panfish in open water areas. PLine CXX while not a fluoro, is as tough and strong as any line out there, aside some fluoro having a tougher/harder outer shell and resisting abrasion better.
Never had anything but problems with that. But everybody is different.
As a bank angler, I’ll spend the money on lines I’m using for pitching or short casts. I use a backing and then will put on the premium line because even if I snag, break off I barley have any line out so the premium line will last longer. Now when it comes to long casts or treble baits I’ll go to a budget line because snags from the bank are tougher to get back. So I’ll go through line quicker and will be changing lines up a lot sooner than my pitching rod.
sounds pretty stupid
Tim & Matt, I just recently got back into bass fishing after a 20 year hiatus. I've learned so much from your videos in the last couple months, I actually can approach a lake or pond with confidence that I can catch fish. Keep up the great content, I appreciate y'all sharing the knowledge.
Great video as always! How about telling/showing which knots you use on your different applications. And Braid to Leaders. Thanks!
I can't get enough of yall's videos. They are a breath of fresh air in this crazy world. Thank you for the time and effort you both put into them. God bless.
Im going braid to mono quality lines
Hey Tim and Matt. I have been wondering. How many double digit fish have each of you guys caught? or do yall even keep up with it. Love the content you guys are the best. Cant wait for the Buyers guides! Good Luck on the water and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
These are great. I especially love the line ones. My hookup to land ratio has improved watching you guys, due to line only no other equipment changes.
The one line you mentioned I have had a bad experience with is Maxcuratro. It would break considerably more than regular PowerPro or KastPro.
Maxcuratro reminded me of Spider Wire with breakage issues. BTW, SpiderWire was the first braid I tried, and last time for Spider Wire. I'm not sure why, but I don't have that problem with regular PowerPro, KastPro, or Seagar Smack Down braided lines. I re-tie religiously, too. I use the Palomar or San Diego Jam knot depending on Lure.
I'm currently using Seagar Smack Down Hi-Vis Braid, KastKing Kastpro braid, Seagar Inviz-X FC, Daiwa Samaria FC, and Berkley Big Game Mono. I try to support my local tackle shop that does reel service & repair. He keeps the bulk spools.
Thanks again for these tips 🍺🎣
Love this !perfect timing I am going to get line in the morning! Broke off 30lspiderwire punching yesterday!
The moment when you realize Tim has more money in line in his boat than you have tackle...
Are you guys changing the buyer’s guide videos because TW changed the Black Friday sale? I’m not sure I’m a fan of the new sale because if you miss a week you can’t get those items on sale anymore. I’d rather they have the 20 percent off around Thanksgiving and then do the 12 days of Christmas sale. I feel like I was able to get more stuff on sale the old way. With this new sale if I have a lot of bills to pay a certain week, I just miss the sale for that week. I’ve already missed one and I might have to miss the fishing line sale this week too.
We've done some rearranging for sure to get key information when it is most helpful. The buyer's guides start tomorrow! 🙂
Sorry Bout the missed sale segments. We missed one as well but we're all learning and adapting as we go. All the big ones are still out in front so we'll see how it went once it's all over.
I agree 100percent
You also miss out on free shipping with this new sale because you don’t need $50 worth of one item. I need new line but by the time I pay shipping, I might as well buy in a local shop.
I’ve been using the Daiwa J braid for years and love it. I switched to their samurai fluorocarbon last year and have really like it too. It seems to have better abrasion resistance.
I loved the j-braid for a long time but the suffix 131 is rounder and slicker so it doesn't screech as loud when pulled over weeds and pulled hard through open water.
Seagaur is my favorite.
Still the only company (as far as I know) that makes thier own resins for their floro. Everything is in house.
powerpro superslick8 is my favorite.
80lbs the best for muskie
If you fish 1/2 oz reaction baits for bass on a MH rod. 40lb Seagur Smackdown all day. Casts great, thin, literally got snagged and pulled the gear off a crankbait because it wouldn't snap.
I've been using 15# Power Pro yellow to 10# Trilene XL. Great setup for river Smallmouth. Best part, is the knots really hold with this combo. Mono leader helps me, more forgiving, especially when not very clear.
The Maxcuatro sounds like exactly like what I need on my weed/grass infested lake. Might the abrasive nature of this line cause a higher level of wear on line guides though?
spiderwire stealth 50/65 lb test 10/15 lb test for finesse. berkley trilene big game 10/20 and then some fc for leader line if i want. thats just what i like, makes it easy to choose with all the lines out there. spend more time fishing and less time thinking lol
I love spiderwire durabraid. Caught so many calico bass on it with no issue. Going on a year spooled and holds up and cast well
Doesn't a 4 carrier line like MaxQuatro make more noise when you are punching vs a smoother higher carrier line?
Thank you for all your wisdom and knowledge from your lifetime experience! You and Matt have taught me so much and I've landed so many fish using your tips and tricks. Thank you!
Do people still back mono with braid on bait caster reels ?
I do
I've tried Fluoro, that stuff is some kind of joke, it snaps right off every hookset.
Total trash as fishing line.
I have used straight braid in clear water and black water, makes no difference I catch the same amount of fish as I did with fluoro and mono so I don't think fish care about seeing the line or not.
This year, I purchased a Kastking Zephyr BFS baitcaster to throw some smaller lures ( small bass in Northern Illinois, so, small lures) and I paired it with a co-polymer 6 lb test line. Now, I cant totally blame the line, but, the reel was letting any loops on the spool get between the spool and inner side plate, and damaging it to the point where it broke a few times ( I returned the reel) but, the line seemed to have less stretch than the same weight mono and held a knot well, so I can't criticize it too much. I went back to throwing the same lures on a 1000 series spinning reel with 8 to 10 lb braid ( I use a few different brands) but I wish the BFS reel was designed better. I do use a lot of braid to fluoro for bottom baits, and I appreciate the lack of stretch in both of them.
That reel has since been discontinued (presumably for that reason). Sorry you had to deal with that issue!
are these suffix 131 better than PP slick on a spinnig reel for distance
Hey does anyone know if TW is doing their Black Friday sale as normal? Hoping to see the rod and reel combo guide start soon🤞🏽!!
It's not "as normal", it's a totally different schedule this year. But Buyer's Guides start TOMORROW and we've restructured the order to match the sales as they come 👍🏼
5:05 that's such a "Dad's a super hero" kinda moment lol
I love when you guys bring up solid information for all levels of anglers. I’m always sharing your channel with new anglers and this type of stuff takes time to learn and summing up saves time. Knowledge is power!
How about recommending an all around line for us guys that go fishing with just one or two poles!! I don’t have 10 poles all set up for specific techniques.
P line premium CX co polymer. 12#. Power pro 50# for frogs. Tie a good knot and go!!
Daiwa J-braid 8x 20-50lbs straight braid no leaders for baitcasters.
Works fine for me in all environments from clear creeks/rivers/lakes to black water.
With all braid you just have to put up with line twisting around the tip of your rod constantly, inline swivels help but I hate having to use extra gear.
Lately I started using non swivel snap clips for faster lure changes without having to retie constantly, loving it so far!
I only use 4 poles.
One piece 6' Light Fish Hawk rod with ultra light Pflueger presidential reel (not a fan), 10lb 8x J-braid.
Two piece 6.6' medium fast 2500 Daiwa LT reel/rod combo, 20lb 8x J-braid
I use these 2 rods when wading in rivers and creeks, with the 2 piece strapped to my backpack most of the time.
Bank fishing, or in my boat I mainly use these 2 rods, but bring all 4 in the boat.
7' medium heavy fast baitcaster abu garcia promax/vengeance rod combo, 20lb 8x J-braid
7 medium heavy bass proshops rod with Daiwa ct100, 30lb 8x J-Braid
Next year I will be switching to all Daiwa reels and maybe rods to.
Awesome video thank you
I have questions regarding line, specifically light fluorocarbon ( 6 lb test and lighter), what knot are you using for connecting to the lure? Also I tend to have trouble getting good braid to leader knots with these lighter sizes, is the 9 turn blood knot still what you use for these sizes?
j knot, and berkley knot or polamar, check both to see what is stronger
I want to pick up fishing again. I noticed a lot has changed since the 90 with lines.... I want to respool my old reels with new lines, but line specs are so different now.... let's take an example... reel speced for 0.3mm 180m 8lb to 0.4mm 100m 15lbs , but if I look at braided line 0.3mm, braided line is alike a 22kg line nowadays, and even a 0.14 line is still something like 6.8kg but I guess you would need like 300+ meters of the stuff to fill a spool.... I am so confused.
I tried braid to fluoro leader on all my rods to save money and didn’t like it. Don’t like to retie all those knots.
Great content! Would love to see how you guys connect your braid to reel spool, whether that is backing or tape.
They have a couple videos of this from way back in their content if you scroll way way down their videos!
Fluorocarbon and Monofilament actually have almost the same amount stretch according to test done
That would depend entirely on the specific lines in question. They can be formulated many different ways. For example, we use stretchy fluorocarbon as leader material but would not use it as a mainline, except for select crankbait applications.
In my experience fluoro is trash that snaps instantly on me every time I hook set or get snagged, zero stretch.
You couldn't pay me to use that stuff ever again.
@@riverpirate1022 good knots and making sure they are wetted can really help for breaking off on hooksets
What are your thoughts on using backing? In an attempt to save a little money, using a cheap mono to take up space on the spool so you’re not using so much braid or fluorocarbon. Do you use it? How much backing would you put on?
The only time i dont use backing is bfs,or my aldebarans because they are small spools.
@@lpbass8369 thanks. How much do you typically use?
It’s so variable by reel. I use a line counter on the main line to home in on how much backing will give me the main line length to fill the spool to the level I want while also providing the casting distance plus a margin. Start with a lot of backing, tie on the main line, load the spool to the level you want and check the yardage of main line you just put on, without cutting the new main line. If you didn’t add the yardage you want, wind the main line back onto its spool by whatever method you have, and remove more backing. It’s a PIA, but once you’re set up on that reel you can really economize on how many loads you get out of each spool. But I’d love to know a better way to dial it in, especially with loading braid over mono backing!
You should try the braided PE line coming from the industry leader of braided Ice Line line leader Woodstock Line Company its called WICKED SLICK. NO FADE color, great feel.
Sorry, mono DOES NOT float. I really wish this would stop being said.
Am I losing it? I could have swore I watched this video yesterday
You probably did, we had a brief glitch yesterday 👍🏼But since you're already ahead of the curve you might as well know that Buyer's Guides start tomorrow 🎣
@@tacticalbassin Look forward to those every year
It all comes down to preference and how you fish. It's all about give and take with your decisions.
Good base class...while I know it's not really possible to list all of the available brands/models within their lineup - you are missing mono/copolymer lines from major players like PLine,Yozuri, Sunline, Gamma...
Braid whether fused, extruded, multi-strand, is endless. Specialty lines from YGK and Daiwa Samurai are missing from your list. Lesser known lines like Tuf-line, Phenix Rods, PLine, Spro, are also very good lines.
Fluoro is the same, there is Daiwa's new fluoro, Yozuri's T7, Gamma, Tatsu, PLine, Trilene...
In the end, can't cover it all, but it would be good to see more than just PP, Sunline, Sufix, Maxima on the list.
BTW... thanks for "flashing" da Daiwa Steez CT. ;-)
Excellent base class on lines, thanks Tim!
Which line should I use for muskie
Jbraid Grand is stand out braid. Better knot strength than Max Quattro. Regular Power Pro green is still great in heavy milfoil.
good info but why do anglers feel the need to make it so confusing??? We all know fish can see the line but to show the amount of line you have and the number of line cases is ridiculous for the average angler. (I suspect most are beginner to recreational or average, pro anglers probably aren't watching these types of videos about line). How about keeping it simple and go with the more preferred method like general use, use a fluorocarbon and braid with a leader.
Thanks Timi! Really appreciate this run through. I'm very surprised i don't see a Texas Rig Specialty here. Just to take a little more note on it.
Am I the only person who saw this video yesterday .. Great video as always
No 🙂 You caught a glitch that was quickly remedied. But since you commented we'll give you another head start... Buyer's Guides start tomorrow! 🎣
@tacticalbassin no complaints here. Thanks.. question when u do the next swimbait video can u cover snaps and swivels. And if and when u should use them
Sincere thanks to you commenters that use straight braid. I would like to hear more about this! With all the controversy about lines and leaders, I am seriously considering trying straight braid instead of braid to fluoro leaders like I use now-but I still have some concerns about it. If any of you would care to elaborate on your setups, applications, and experiences using straight braid for other than top waters, it would be most appreciated!!!’
Hey guys, I'm planning on buying the legend extreme 7" spinning. Should I pair it it a stella or exsence?
Stella is heavier than the exsense.
Stella has a Much better gearing 😊😊
Both are awesome reels, they're also very different. If you need a direct answer now we'll be happy to talk through all the details, just let us know. But spoiler alert... buyer's guides start tomorrow and Wednesday's video will really help you make that decision. So if you want to wait you can do that too.
@@tacticalbassin I'm leaning towards the exsense all I'll start doing some saltwater. But I'll wait on the guides.
Mostly fish straight fluoro and second braid. Connection knots are just another place of potential failure. Can’t stand power pro , had 50 lb snap way too often. Lots of better braids out there
I have been using Beyond braid for over a year and have had 0 issues. I use 40lb for chatterbait in the CA Delta. and 60lb for punching. Never had it break yet through toolies logs ect.
when your thowing braid and you have the drag locked down, you catch a fish and you have cut through on the spool when the outer layer digs into the the under layer and birds nest? was it not spooled on correctly or was it the wrong type of braid?
Flouro also stretches a ton. Especially invizex! Which is garbage!
how long do you run floro leader on braid? ive been doing this for about 15 years, after learning about putting a "topshot" on a spool of braid for ocean fishing. i try to start with about two rod lengths of floro then straight to braid with a J knot. 4 and 6lb leader for ultra clear water(and 50+ feet deep!) in diamond vally lake in southern California
I throw the drt tk and 9 and the wcz citizen and battleshad 6/7 on durabraid and daiwa samurai floro combo for saltwater bass no issue. Try braid to leader for your big baits
Great topic. Fish rivers for Smallmouth, rocks and wood present challenges. Line selection is key.
Tim, thanks for the video. Do you think braided line, with its extreme strength and no stretch specifications will contribute to future shoulder injuries in anglers?
Great vid Tim.I didn"t now about 131 think i will lool inti it.Gamma has been my braid for 10 years now.Its crazy how terible braid was 25 years ago,flat with frays.Its off topic but line watching those coils when deadsticking a worm was huge this year.ran into a lot of shallow fish and if you didnt drop your rod tip and watch you missed out.
I've been liking the XPS Bass Pro Shops performance braid..really liking the black color..held up very well & plenty strong..affordable as well
tim i noticed you pulled out a spool of the flipping fc. i have been using it for about five years, really like being able to see my line but it does retain a lot of memory
Do you also use the blood knot, with lighter braid to leader, on your spinning combos, or some other knot?
One of the most underrated braided lines is P-Line TCB braid. It has a teflon coating for additional abrasion resistance, it barely loses any color, and it is hydrophobic, meaning it does not absorb water making it great for ice fishing too. I used it almost exclusively last season and had 0 breaks.
When I was leaving the comment yesterday the display showed there was a server error.
It happens?
Appreciate the line information. How long of a leader are you using when going braid to fluoro on a big swimbait? Are you sending the double blood knot through the eyes?
Tip: if line twisted let out behind boat and drag it across the water it will straighten out!
Everyone raves about fc sniper but In my opinion invizx is better in every way
Great video as always, Tim. Forgive me if I missed it in the video but any suggestions for line when the temps are below freezing? Do you use a specific type of line?
A cool video touched all the basics. I wish you guys would have talked about line conditioner if you use it? Which ones you recommend if you do.But good video overall 👍🏼
Why so many lines/line types? Easy... to catch more fishermen!
Tim or Matt, would it be okay for me to use copolymer for swimbaits also?
Definitely not a trash topic. Thank you for this, perfect timing for me as it is time to replace my stock of leaders.
Spider wire is like casting a guitar string through your guides.
Do you have a video on the connection knot that you use to connect your leader to the braid?
Quality content!!!
Am I crazy? Didn’t I see this yesterday?
Is there a way of marking your braid without damaging it?
I’ve been using a Flourocarbon coated copolymer line for years. It’s strong and is 1/3 less than straight Flourocarbon. I don’t find it has the mono stretch to it. It doesn’t seem as rough as straight Flourocarbon and it doesn’t backlash as easy as Flourocarbon. I was surprised you don’t like using it. Excellent information in this video. Looking forward to the buyers guides videos.
Same here. I use it probably 90% of the time and don’t get break offs. I’ve caught multiple double digit bass and huge catfish on it. My hooks fail before my line.
What brands you guys using? Would like to check out some copoly lines.
@@TWC6724 P-Line CXX or Gamma Polyflex. Gamma is smaller diameter in the same poundage and more expensive.
I was a copoly guy for a while. Switched to braid to leader. Fluro or co for leader depending on bait and situation. Loving it.
Pline premium CX is my go to line. Incredible knot strength. CXX also has fantastic knot strength but is more wirey and bigger overall diameter. But that stuff is super super strong. When you get snagged it's very difficult to intentionally break off the bait even with 10# line!! CX premium is way more supple and casts amazing. I can't say enough good things about Pline co polymer.
Agree. Sniper is the best flouro for casting cranks
Hey Tim what knot are you using for your braid to leader?
Thanks a bunch I learned a lot! -Steve Day, Rossville GA
Great video, is it ever ok to throw straight braid? I’m mostly on lake mead which often has 30-40 ft clear visibility. Is there ever a time or technique I can just throw straight braid and not worry about the leader?
These guys said they go straight braid when using frog baits.
What is the different between fluorocarbon line and fluorocarbon shock leader? For the price point, I’ve seen that fluorocarbon line is much cheaper than the fluorocarbon shock leader. Thanks
The amount of stretch in shock leader and ability to resist becoming brittle over repeat stretches. Comes from the salt water world.
Thank you guys, taught me a few more things and reminded me of a few I forgot.
Probably a stupid question, but if I am running braid and have a heavy/extra fast rod and use mono as a leader,-would that in essence slow it down closer to a fast action since mono stretches?
No. There’s literally micro amounts of stretch in such a short line.
Fluorocarbon is so expensive these days. Would you recommend spooling 8-10lb mono for backing and then to Fluoro?
I scrolled down through the comments. And it got answered to the affirmative. Thanks.
What line for deep diving cranks ? !!
Where can you get that large Plano line storage box? I would love to get those to organize all my lines spools at home, but can't find anything like it on the Plano site. Can you tell me where to get one?
Menards has them. It’s a midwest equivalent to Home Depot or Lowe’s. Not sure if there’s online sales?
Just bought a rod that say tactical bass rod ex-h 7’4 moderate. Good looking rod for guide bait.
Lol wtf
Fun geeking out with Tim. I learn a lot.
Hi-seas black widow is the best line ever
How do you tell when to change braid?
Spro is extremely underrated floro
What are your thoughts on the P5 Mark 56?
you did not cover Copolymer is it inferior ? what are the pro. and con.
It is supposed to be like mono and fluorocarbon combined. Some properties of both, I use it for ice fishing and it's decent.
Stren Mono 4 Life
Where’s the buyers guise series, don’t they start on Mondays???
Not this year, time to log back in and have a look right now 🙂
Do you ever use a line conditioner?