Agree. I’ve been struggling with chunking irons for 40 years and I’ve never seen such a detailed explanation as to why. Love this move. Now I just need to work on it. 😊
I’ve played golf for over 35 years. Had golf lessons from ten different club professionals. My lowest handicap reached was 5.5. Not one club professional improved my golf swing. You from ELITE GOLF SCHOOLS are the very first tutors who fully explain the workings of the golf swing to a level where now I understand what a good golf swing is and more importantly how to maintain a good swing. 👍
Your way of explaining the forces that occurs during the golfswing is remarkable. You made me understand how it truly works. And it works! My strikes on the range were so crisp. And I suddenly hit small baby cuts without ever thinking of how I use the hands. You guy are doing a great job. Thank you so much. This means the world!
Im 8 months in as a new golfer and your channel has really made the light bulb go off. Most instruction and nearly every video has aspects of what you’re teaching but with no true explanation of “how and why”. It’s always just “you need to Buzz word buzzword buzzword” (eg. Shallow, swing around your body, right shoulder rotated back toward the target) and what you’ve done in your approach is explained this the way a person who’s a mix of a physics and anatomy professor would, which really is necessary so you understand the source of successful swings and the root of common mistakes. Keep up the great work!
I normally hate all of the explanation golf instructors do. I just want to know what to do. But after hundreds of other videos, your videos are the only videos that has made me understand how the golf swing should feel. Amazing.
As always, an excellent discussion. Thanks for discussing the chunking problem, giving an account of the issue and providing a detailed solution. This helps to reinforce other points, made previously, in a fresh way. I also appreciate how you explain hit dynamics in terms of verticals and horizontals. Can't wait to go to the range!
Just read all the comments and I agree 100%. Excellent explanation and demonstration of what’s suppose to happen. Can’t wait to get out there and put this into practice! 😊
i’ve been playing golf for a couple months and was stuck with the nastiest slice you’ve ever seen ! i have watched countless videos on how not to slice and how to come from the inside and all that crap but i had absolutely zero knowledge on the golfswing, didnt really know how to use my body, what muscles that i needed to engage, even how a golf club works but then i found you guys and in a matter of 1 week of watching all your stuff a couple times and my understanding of the golfswing skyrocketed, i finally understand the why’s and the when’s! i just wanted to take the time and tell you guys that you are amazing because these youtube videos your posting are GOLDEN for people like me who can’t afford a real life coach and btw these shouldn’t be free!
You guys are great. I love this explanation in order to stop chunking golf shots. What I would like to know if the manner by which you like golfers to swing is applicable to seniors. Some of us are not as flexible in order to swing the way you say is more consistent. Can you have a video where you show seniors how to incorporate your swing moves into the golf swing?
maybe an odd question, but is there downside to bringing the club back through P4 semi below the plane from the outset, so you are essentially already where you seemingly want the clubhead to be prior to starting your 'horizontal' hit on the ball? I find that if I take the club back on or above the plane, then the job of getting the club to be moving vertical first, in order to get horizontal for the hit is semi-hard for me to time. It seems as if the swing required works well (at least for me) if I simply bring back the club semi below the plane to start with, so I only need to consider a horizontal hit....but curious if I'm trading off some other benefit or mechanical need by doing this? This video is extraordinary by the way, as you really help solidify that the sternum location dictates where the club will bottom out, and I had heard this and seen this in other videos but never realized that there are these three reasons why this happens in the first place. Lastly...I understand the dropping of the pelvis is what helps get the club head below the plane, but that is yet another move that feels alkward to think about as the swing is happening, and I do know I must be dropping the pelvis if I'm even making solid contact with the ball through the hit (which I am)....but thinking about a deeper drop or the drop at all really is difficult for me and creates other problems. hope it makes sense.
@@mitchgrossbach1432 it’s simply about the direction of force that the player is putting on the club while rotating. Players to model after your question would be Lopez of Floyd 🙏🙏
Awesome video!! Would you guys be willing to do a video for players who are to shallow when coming into impact? Not a lot of videos on RUclips for this swing fault.
you guys represent next level understanding and learning of the golf swing. The vertical to horizontal concept marries so well with pelvis dropping and chest turning. How does this work when you get into wedges? same concept, but less pronounced? still want a nice shallow strike w wedges to control flight, right? Do you guys favor slightly flatter lie angles in irons? Seems like that goes well with the vertical to horizontral hit! Thanks!
I love the over exaggeration of all your videos . Learn outside of the comfort zone . As a new golfer , it’s nice to actually nice to see the movements . Keep up the great content . Much appreciated! Do you have an suggestions for working on the mechanics without the ball or videos ? Thank you
Yep! Definitely helps to exaggerate. Many of our videos would give you some ideas on movements away from the ball 🙏 particularly “secret swing sequence”
Hovland’s lead arm in transition from p4-p5 gave me some major context clues on shallowing within this system. Just keep that sucker up there for a bit longer than usual during drop and sway movement
Such a great video! What external cues would you suggest to achieve the first vertical movement of the club? Can you relate some of this movement to the grip end of the club?
I am buying everything you are coaching, however, who to model this swing after in the PGA Tour? Another question: how to drop and shift the upper body toward the target ? Does it happen simultaneously?
Key question . During the down swing I’m right arm n hand dominant, should i be using my left arm and hand counter the imbalance ? I notice the speed increases 😮
Systems are a great way to understand how variables blend together, and can help you understand your swing at a higher level. Nothing inherently wrong with stack and tilt, but we feel it doesn’t allow for face stability or body health as much as other systems do 👍
Another great vid guys🙏. In the backswing we move from straight trail elbow to bent (flexed) in the lift, how about the downswing when we drop? Are we keeping the trail elbow bent or do we straighten as we try to come in horizontal to the hit?
Amazing video loving the flow of content these days! Wondering does this preferred system matchup well with those that prefer to play fades? Seems to be more draw favoured movement but would to see a video on shot shaping with your awesome system!
Does the vertical movement have to not violate the orion’s principle? It seems that recently, egs has been tweeking, fine tuning their teaching method. Your passion and dedication is very admirable
Do the pelvis drop and rib cage sway happen simultaneously? Can the club shaft get too flat in transition? Seems like not in this (THE) system as long as rotating chest through the hit.
Pelvis drop and rib sway are pretty much the same move and happen simultaneously, yes 👍 the shaft can certainly get too flat, but most people don’t approach that 👍
If we’re talking COM of ribs… sternum behind ball for driver and will creep in front the lower the club. Sternum will also ‘point’ in front of ball based on the chest’s rotation at P7
Is TJ over exaggerating his deep side bend after impact? I am 67 and could never get to that position. Is his side bend after the strike necessary?????
Truthfully, it’s much less side bend than appears. Most of that is created by maintaining the spine angle set at address, as well as some influence form the arm lines being loaded in a certain way. We see players with much more side bend than this that do fine, as well as less side bend. It’s definitely not a necessity to flush it out 👍
It’s funny how different words and ideas click for different people when it’s all really the same thing, great video! If I “pull with my elbows instead of my hands” the club goes vertical then horizontal, and it’s night and day how much better that swing goes
Im 8 months in as a new golfer and your channel has really made the light bulb go off. Most instruction and nearly every video has aspects of what you’re teaching but with no true explanation of “how and why”. It’s always just “you need to Buzz word buzzword buzzword” (eg. Shallow, swing around your body, right shoulder rotated back toward the target) and what you’ve done in your approach is explained this the way a person who’s a mix of a physics and anatomy professor would, which really is necessary so you understand the source of successful swings and the root of common mistakes. One final observation…I often hear instructors say your thighs should “kiss” if you’re completing your downswing correctly. I notice that this is nearly impossible if you are transferring by leading the pelvis vs the ribs and torso and this is nothing I ever would have e figured out before. Once I tried leading with the torso versus the pelvis for the shift I noticed the thigh kiss happens easier. Keep up the great work!
Thank you 🙏🏿 for sharing… my only question is that shouldn’t one be exploding up after that mini squat … that should help with hitting behind the ball too ….in other words a blend of horizontal plus some extension …
@@elitegolfschools thanks for your reply and now that you mentioned that it reminds me of a man earlier video you did that said just that … the chest spiral will help pull up and around … thanks for the reminder … I need to find that video!! 🤓🤓 [I found it FEET AND LEG ACTION IN THE GOLF SWING]
I feel that I can get all 3 of these things right - and it looks good on camera angles. The club is coming plenty shallow etc. However, I still manage to hit behind the ball 1-2 inches too often. I think my issues is managing my "arc depth" basically. This would be where the AoA is actually good and the low point is good, but the arc is just too low. Are there any thoughts on that?
go do bryson dechambeaus drill in a bunker, draw a line in the sand and try to hit the line 10times in a row this will greatly help controlling your lowpoint
@@elitegolfschools thanks. Yeah I’ll keep thinking about it. And I’ll rewatch that video. I’ve seen all this channels videos and they are all very well done. Thanks!
As Moe said .... Vertical drop & horizontal tug ;-) The vertical drop works best for me when I use your feel of arms floating up while the lower body floats down into the squat as you demo'd in a vid with Milo. Thanks for all your posts and skillful communication. #WorldClass
Video request: how the toe of the golf club is supported through the hit, what kind of forces you have to apply. Since the sweet spot is eccentric from club shaft, it has to be supported, otherwise face goes open. Probably a reason a lot of people dont get club face closed, because this is one of only sports where the strike is not in line with the shaft.
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This is BY FAR the best description of how to deal with this problem that I have ever seen. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you so much man 🙏
Agree. I’ve been struggling with chunking irons for 40 years and I’ve never seen such a detailed explanation as to why. Love this move. Now I just need to work on it. 😊
@@AnthonyJohnson-w1b let’s go! Please keep
Us posted!
I’ve played golf for over 35 years. Had golf lessons from ten different club professionals. My lowest handicap reached was 5.5. Not one club professional improved my golf swing. You from ELITE GOLF SCHOOLS are the very first tutors who fully explain the workings of the golf swing to a level where now I understand what a good golf swing is and more importantly how to maintain a good swing. 👍
@@johnmcbeath1751 wow!! What kind words! Truly appreciate it! Please let us know any questions you may have as you work through the videos ❤️🙏
This is the BEST golf swing instructional channel on youtube...
You’re the best! Appreciate that!
Your way of explaining the forces that occurs during the golfswing is remarkable. You made me understand how it truly works. And it works! My strikes on the range were so crisp. And I suddenly hit small baby cuts without ever thinking of how I use the hands. You guy are doing a great job. Thank you so much. This means the world!
@@fredriksoderstrom8653 you just made my day!!!! Thank you so much and absolutely THRILLED that you’re hitting them so well!
Im 8 months in as a new golfer and your channel has really made the light bulb go off. Most instruction and nearly every video has aspects of what you’re teaching but with no true explanation of “how and why”. It’s always just “you need to Buzz word buzzword buzzword” (eg. Shallow, swing around your body, right shoulder rotated back toward the target) and what you’ve done in your approach is explained this the way a person who’s a mix of a physics and anatomy professor would, which really is necessary so you understand the source of successful swings and the root of common mistakes. Keep up the great work!
I normally hate all of the explanation golf instructors do. I just want to know what to do. But after hundreds of other videos, your videos are the only videos that has made me understand how the golf swing should feel. Amazing.
Holy smokes did you just make our day!!! Thank you so much and please keep us posted on your progress!! ❤️🙏❤️
Moving head forward as club moves vertically is a game changer for my iron swing. Can you do a driver video using the same low,point movement?
@@texaswaldo61 try it with the same mental map! See how it goes!!
As always, an excellent discussion. Thanks for discussing the chunking problem, giving an account of the issue and providing a detailed solution. This helps to reinforce other points, made previously, in a fresh way. I also appreciate how you explain hit dynamics in terms of verticals and horizontals. Can't wait to go to the range!
Right on! Hit some flushies and let us know how it goes 🙏
Some ulnar motion as the drop occurs or just happens because of body motion? Have you started on line classes yet?
Playing golf for 40 years, this channel is by far the best instructional videos I have ever seen! Thank you!
Wow, thanks!
excellent - best explanation of the transition.
@@brianmcdonald-xh7jl right on!!!!
You distilled exactly my overtop problem . Thank you for the fix . The transition to hit is so tough for me . 😢
So glad it helped man! Keep up the good work!
Just read all the comments and I agree 100%. Excellent explanation and demonstration of what’s suppose to happen. Can’t wait to get out there and put this into practice! 😊
Fantastic!! Hit em well and keep us posted on your progress!
i’ve been playing golf for a couple months and was stuck with the nastiest slice you’ve ever seen ! i have watched countless videos on how not to slice and how to come from the inside and all that crap but i had absolutely zero knowledge on the golfswing, didnt really know how to use my body, what muscles that i needed to engage, even how a golf club works but then i found you guys and in a matter of 1 week of watching all your stuff a couple times and my understanding of the golfswing skyrocketed, i finally understand the why’s and the when’s!
i just wanted to take the time and tell you guys that you are amazing because these youtube videos your posting are GOLDEN for people like me who can’t afford a real life coach and btw these shouldn’t be free!
Man, thank you so much! This is why we do it, and we appreciate the ❤️
right on man! much ❤️
You guys are great. I love this explanation in order to stop chunking golf shots. What I would like to know if the manner by which you like golfers to swing is applicable to seniors. Some of us are not as flexible in order to swing the way you say is more consistent. Can you have a video where you show seniors how to incorporate your swing moves into the golf swing?
What a great suggestion. We can definitely do that in a future video
Add my wish to that as well
@@ahmadghanem2414 fantastic!
I was going to make the same suggestion as well. Appreciate the instruction.
maybe an odd question, but is there downside to bringing the club back through P4 semi below the plane from the outset, so you are essentially already where you seemingly want the clubhead to be prior to starting your 'horizontal' hit on the ball? I find that if I take the club back on or above the plane, then the job of getting the club to be moving vertical first, in order to get horizontal for the hit is semi-hard for me to time. It seems as if the swing required works well (at least for me) if I simply bring back the club semi below the plane to start with, so I only need to consider a horizontal hit....but curious if I'm trading off some other benefit or mechanical need by doing this? This video is extraordinary by the way, as you really help solidify that the sternum location dictates where the club will bottom out, and I had heard this and seen this in other videos but never realized that there are these three reasons why this happens in the first place. Lastly...I understand the dropping of the pelvis is what helps get the club head below the plane, but that is yet another move that feels alkward to think about as the swing is happening, and I do know I must be dropping the pelvis if I'm even making solid contact with the ball through the hit (which I am)....but thinking about a deeper drop or the drop at all really is difficult for me and creates other problems. hope it makes sense.
@@mitchgrossbach1432 it’s simply about the direction of force that the player is putting on the club while rotating. Players to model after your question would be Lopez of Floyd 🙏🙏
Your explaination is great, and clearly spoken, I just don't know how to get the arms lowering before the "horizontal" in a way that feels athletic.
Sledgehammer mode baby 👍 #athlete
This one is one of the best videos you have done, puts it all together!
We appreciate you
Awesome video!! Would you guys be willing to do a video for players who are to shallow when coming into impact? Not a lot of videos on RUclips for this swing fault.
Would love to!!
Your solution to problems are fantastic. And the detail in which you explain them is masterful
Appreciate you man!
you guys represent next level understanding and learning of the golf swing. The vertical to horizontal concept marries so well with pelvis dropping and chest turning. How does this work when you get into wedges? same concept, but less pronounced? still want a nice shallow strike w wedges to control flight, right? Do you guys favor slightly flatter lie angles in irons? Seems like that goes well with the vertical to horizontral hit! Thanks!
Same map in wedges and definitely see players work into flatter lie angles with irons and wedges 👍
Can’t thank Elite golf and Trevor Salzman enough for their incredible insights about movement in the golf swing.
Glad you’re enjoying!
I love the over exaggeration of all your videos . Learn outside of the comfort zone . As a new golfer , it’s nice to actually nice to see the movements . Keep up the great content . Much appreciated!
Do you have an suggestions for working on the mechanics without the ball or videos ? Thank you
Yep! Definitely helps to exaggerate. Many of our videos would give you some ideas on movements away from the ball 🙏 particularly “secret swing sequence”
Thanks! It all makes sense, I was so out of rhythm before! Easy to step into the flow of this movement for great contact and form.
Hovland’s lead arm in transition from p4-p5 gave me some major context clues on shallowing within this system. Just keep that sucker up there for a bit longer than usual during drop and sway movement
This video was kind of a lightbulb moment for me. Great video lotta input
Fantastic! Glad it resonated with you!
Such a great video! What external cues would you suggest to achieve the first vertical movement of the club? Can you relate some of this movement to the grip end of the club?
I am buying everything you are coaching, however, who to model this swing after in the PGA Tour?
Another question: how to drop and shift the upper body toward the target ? Does it happen simultaneously?
The drop and shift do happen fairly simultaneously, yes. And look at Trevino, Hogan, Niemman, Glover, Hovland, Mito…..
Key question . During the down swing I’m right arm n hand dominant, should i be using my left arm and hand counter the imbalance ? I notice the speed increases 😮
That can be interpreted in different ways, but if it feels good I don’t think it can hurt man 👍
Great explanation thanks.Just a random question, I’m curious what your thoughts are on the stack and tilt system
Systems are a great way to understand how variables blend together, and can help you understand your swing at a higher level. Nothing inherently wrong with stack and tilt, but we feel it doesn’t allow for face stability or body health as much as other systems do 👍
possibly the best video I've ever seen for online golf - great job guys
Thanks so much!
OMFG!! Horizontal hit- that just turn on the lights for me!! VERTICAL-to-HORIZONTAL!!! Thank you sir!!! This is amazing!!
Yes! Big stuff!! Thank you for watching
Fantastic explanation ❤
Awesome video! Can you please do one on keeping the club infront of the chest?
My biggest issue is that the club disappears behind my chest.
Great idea for a vid!
Another great vid guys🙏. In the backswing we move from straight trail elbow to bent (flexed) in the lift, how about the downswing when we drop? Are we keeping the trail elbow bent or do we straighten as we try to come in horizontal to the hit?
It will gradually straighten through the hit as we release 🙏
So much for the myth of keeping your head still . This is a game changer for me as I hit fat a lot. What about the Driver Is it the same.
Amazing video loving the flow of content these days! Wondering does this preferred system matchup well with those that prefer to play fades? Seems to be more draw favoured movement but would to see a video on shot shaping with your awesome system!
We made one a ways back called “Draw Vs. Fade” check it out!
Does the vertical movement have to not violate the orion’s principle? It seems that recently, egs has been tweeking, fine tuning their teaching method. Your passion and dedication is very admirable
Orions principle still important here 🙏 and yes, always fine tuning. There’s always better and better ways of explaining things
Do the pelvis drop and rib cage sway happen simultaneously?
Can the club shaft get too flat in transition? Seems like not in this (THE) system as long as rotating chest through the hit.
Pelvis drop and rib sway are pretty much the same move and happen simultaneously, yes 👍 the shaft can certainly get too flat, but most people don’t approach that 👍
I assume the sternum still stays behind the ball despite moving towards the target. Does it shift so far that the the left ear goes past the ball?
If we’re talking COM of ribs… sternum behind ball for driver and will creep in front the lower the club. Sternum will also ‘point’ in front of ball based on the chest’s rotation at P7
@@elitegolfschools Roger. What about the head?
This is beyond good guys. The chest is the key to compression!
100%. Glad you enjoyed!
Is moving the club down (vertically) from the top in transition a wrist movement, or arms and shoulder, or all?
Lots of ways to do this. Preferably, all systems are a go in achieving this. Whole body supports the action
Is TJ over exaggerating his deep side bend after impact? I am 67 and could never get to that position. Is his side bend after the strike necessary?????
Truthfully, it’s much less side bend than appears. Most of that is created by maintaining the spine angle set at address, as well as some influence form the arm lines being loaded in a certain way. We see players with much more side bend than this that do fine, as well as less side bend. It’s definitely not a necessity to flush it out 👍
Start walking left of the hoop then plug in these vertical drops and hit and job done! Another great video 👏🏻
Yessir! Thank you!
It’s funny how different words and ideas click for different people when it’s all really the same thing, great video! If I “pull with my elbows instead of my hands” the club goes vertical then horizontal, and it’s night and day how much better that swing goes
So interesting!
So, is it completely ok to get your head ahead of the ball in the downswing? So many people say head should stay behind the ball…?!
Yes, it’s okay! Some people do this TOO MUCH, and anything can be overdone.
Im 8 months in as a new golfer and your channel has really made the light bulb go off. Most instruction and nearly every video has aspects of what you’re teaching but with no true explanation of “how and why”. It’s always just “you need to Buzz word buzzword buzzword” (eg. Shallow, swing around your body, right shoulder rotated back toward the target) and what you’ve done in your approach is explained this the way a person who’s a mix of a physics and anatomy professor would, which really is necessary so you understand the source of successful swings and the root of common mistakes. One final observation…I often hear instructors say your thighs should “kiss” if you’re completing your downswing correctly. I notice that this is nearly impossible if you are transferring by leading the pelvis vs the ribs and torso and this is nothing I ever would have e figured out before. Once I tried leading with the torso versus the pelvis for the shift I noticed the thigh kiss happens easier. Keep up the great work!
@@mitchgrossbach1432 fantastic! So glad it resonated with you! Please keep us posted!! ❤️🙏
Another great video. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
Super helpful!!!
Im glad man!
Great Advice lesson tips
Wonderful! Thank you!
Thank you 🙏🏿 for sharing… my only question is that shouldn’t one be exploding up after that mini squat … that should help with hitting behind the ball too ….in other words a blend of horizontal plus some extension …
Yessir! But how extension is created is interesting. Pulling the upper spiral creates extension without having to “push” as much into the ground 🙏
@@elitegolfschools thanks for your reply and now that you mentioned that it reminds me of a man earlier video you did that said just that … the chest spiral will help pull up and around … thanks for the reminder … I need to find that video!! 🤓🤓 [I found it FEET AND LEG ACTION IN THE GOLF SWING]
I feel that I can get all 3 of these things right - and it looks good on camera angles. The club is coming plenty shallow etc. However, I still manage to hit behind the ball 1-2 inches too often. I think my issues is managing my "arc depth" basically. This would be where the AoA is actually good and the low point is good, but the arc is just too low. Are there any thoughts on that?
don’t drop as much during the transition
the more you drop the more you have to turn your chest too prevent the club from digging in the ground
go do bryson dechambeaus drill in a bunker, draw a line in the sand and try to hit the line 10times in a row this will greatly help controlling your lowpoint
Or if you do drop, get that chest motoring more on the way through. Creating space would be a good video to revisit on our channel 🙏
@@elitegolfschools thanks. Yeah I’ll keep thinking about it. And I’ll rewatch that video. I’ve seen all this channels videos and they are all very well done. Thanks!
As Moe said .... Vertical drop & horizontal tug ;-)
The vertical drop works best for me when I use your feel of arms floating up while the lower body floats down into the squat as you demo'd in a vid with Milo.
Thanks for all your posts and skillful communication.
#WorldClass
Fantastic!! All about that map, gains!!
Great video gents
Thanks man!
This change my golf life
Fantastic!
Video request: how the toe of the golf club is supported through the hit, what kind of forces you have to apply. Since the sweet spot is eccentric from club shaft, it has to be supported, otherwise face goes open. Probably a reason a lot of people dont get club face closed, because this is one of only sports where the strike is not in line with the shaft.
This is sensational ….thank you….
So glad you think so 🙏
Nice. Now I need the thins and the shanks. :D You can't repeat this system enough with some of us.. :D
Haha! Right on bro! We definitely will cover those as well
So hard to drop it shallow doing this.
The end of the video covers that a bit 🙏
What about with the driver
most don’t shift own body centre of Mass … in other word human engine not shifting properly
Yep!
Holy chit mang 😮
Yeah buddy!
Last serval minutes are money!
@@ryannelson8619 right on! Glad you enjoyed!
Don’t understand the first part..putting the rib cage forward…