Don't Lift Your Arms In The Backswing
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- Опубликовано: 22 фев 2024
- Don't Lift Your Arms In The Backswing. In this video TJ and Riley take a deep dive into how to properly load the arms in the backswing without lifting them. Understanding how to use your spiral lines in your body is essential in creating a great takeaway.
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Maybe one of our most important concepts to date… the arms hit LEVEL!! Ask questions, we’ll answer 🙏
You’ve changed my entire concept of and approach to the swing - thank you!
My froggin head just exploded! I have worked so hard trying to get rid of my excesses side bend in forward swing this will fix it! No reason to crunch right side through impact- force is going forward not down… correct? Thanks for great content
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@@ljfoster55you will have side bend, I guess for you, you just won’t have to force it
working on this thought…how do I get the path less left lol
I came across this video because of the title and was blown away with this information. I have always heard to raise your arms in the backswing for the 25 years I have been playing bad golf. The next day I stepped out into the field beside my house to try this swing technique out. I could only use a Gap & PW because of the length of the field. After working slowly with this swing technique to begin with, I hit the 1st ball with about 60% effort 100 Yds straight to my target. As I worked up to 80% & 100% swings, I was blown away at how effortless this swing was and how much more accurate the ball flight was. So the next day I had to get to the driving range and see how this worked with full swings for all of my clubs.
I spent 2 hours on the driving range and I found out that this swing technique works great with all of my clubs. I was striking the balls with less effort and getting 10 - 20 yards more distance with each club. And most all of the shots were landing so close to my target. My driver shots were 20 yards longer and much more straighter. I couldn't believe the results I was getting. I will be heading to the course in a few days to try this out.
I am a mid handi-capper with a driver swing speed around 95, so I'm always trying to improve my game. This swing technique could really be what I needed!
This just unlocked an entirely new understanding of the swing for me. Have always wondered why folks look so good swinging a baseball bat or an axe and look silly with a club. This is why. Truly elite content. My son is 4 months old but you had better believe I’ve saved this video for him! Thanks as always, gents.
Let’s go!! Love to hear it
Elite lesson for sure! What’s the lower body lesson video that especially compliments this force direction gold mine?!
This combo should remedy the majority of typical golf swing issues imo.
Scary! Whenever we think we have acquired some understanding of what is (only!?) the golfswing, you surprise us past belief. Incredible to get this stuff for free here on RUclips, also past belief. Thank You so much! 👋👋👋
Means a lot man, thank you 🙏
Guys, I will admit, this was a little difficult to follow at first but when he motioned to swing the club back towards the camera!!! LIGHT BULB MOMENT! Thanks a mil!!
Let’s go!
You guys are incredible. Wow… I’m working on some more rotational or horizontal force swings but I’m a jumper for sure, how do you hit draws with this pattern? Would be a great video explaining only your system and cuts or draws and not comparing to vertical extension patterns because it starts to muddy the water for us youtubers i think lol but anyway thank you guys so so much! You are absolutely the best!
As an engineer, this is the swing content I'm looking for! Understandable for me. I struggle with vertical elevation a lot as a new golfer, and I have actually hit a few balls by lowering my hips and rotating through properly completely by accident. And when I did, I felt exactly what you described in this video. Glad to have learned that I was on the correct path. Now I have something to aim for.
I was lost in the beginning for a few minutes. Towards the end, they really make sense and I can’t wait to try it at the driving range.
Let’s go!!! Keep us posted please!
I agree. Good content but could have been put together better. Lot of rambling going on for most of the video. Tell the audience what you’re doing, demonstrate it, sum it up at the end in easy to communicate steps.
@@redstone5149 we try to have a nice blend of longer videos (around 15-20 minutes) and shorter (6-9 minutes) and brief (shorts, TikTok, and insta (60 seconds or less) for different learning styles and preferences 🙏🙏
I like the pacing so I don’t have to hit pause after each instruction. I can get a few practice swings in while you are elaborating. Any faster and I would have to put down the club, walk to the phone and pause. Keep it as is. The pros can just run it at 2x speed. 20 minutes is not too long for a new concept.
A bit dense.
Guys! I absolutely love this channel and the level of detail you go into in your videos. What I would like to put out there as a bigger/stiffer (ex sports and now age against me) player is, whilst it’s great and important that you demonstrate how these feels are mapped with an elite golfer, it does sometimes make it hard to relate when these moves seemingly come easy to a lighter, more agile player. It would be great to see the journey of someone of a more ‘average’ level of golf go through these sequences and then demonstrate tangible results. Not a hater and love the content. Just think it would appeal to the masses if we feel we can also do these rapid changes without being a D1 golfer 😊
Love the idea and I think you’re really going to like what we have in store. Building out a model that will help a vast array of players ❤❤❤
My fave video we’ve done in a while!!
Very well explained, really enjoyed it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is the map that i needed. Can now see why I’ve been flashing the face for a couple decades. My future back thanks you.
Right on!!! So pumped for you! Keep us posted on your progress please!!!!
Hogan said (1940) he wanted he wanted to get the' driver parallel to the ground sooner' for a gradual incline followed by a levelish through swing before rising into the finish. I love how you qualified this point with the ax analogy. His more levelish bswing path evinced a more SUSTAINED horizontal vector --compared with your modeling--which ultimately matched up (through transition) with his LOW inside right ankle (per eversion) which is arguably THE cornerstone of his singular (ELITE) motion. It's unfortunate that GOATA so glibly pontificates as to optimal (ELITE) employment of anatomy...per their fetish of a HIGH INSIDE ANKLE. In general, the multiplanar spring matrices in the foot are recipients of forces that devolve upon the foot(from above) in such a way that the outer part is tasked with a stabilizing agency and is the lowest part of the foot. The inner, higher part which is the MOBILIZING element will 'fall' into place as it is pressed into service. My tiresome sermon ties into your theme of 'direction of force' which inextricably is linked to structure. Thanks for providing a forum for eccentrics like myself to chime in! I'm titilated to take in such depth of content. GODDABLESS!
So good! Thank you.
Glad you liked it!!
What a great explanation of the cause and effect of both patterns.
Fantastic! Glad you enjoyed! 🙏🙏🙏
Loved this! will try it today!!
Have fun!
Crazy detail-- great stuff!!!!!
Thanks so much!!
@@elitegolfschools 👍
the concept is interesting, not sure i got all of it, will watch again, thnx.
Different maps for sure
So interesting. I love your swing analogy and your explanation of force direction. One of my favorite books of all time is 7 Habits of Highly Effective People and your reference to proper maps reminds me of Franklin Covey explaining how important it is to know where you’re headed and to have proper maps of how to get there because otherwise you can spend years just aimlessly whacking your way through the jungle without ever achieving your destination. I’m learning so much from you. Great explanations and demonstrations. And you’re obviously having fun. Way to go guys! Keep up the great work! 😊
Thanks so much dude!! Appreciate the support
My last comment may have sounded like I don't agree with the way you are saying to swing, but I actually agree with you here. I have been working on this same thing in my own swing.
I just hear some of these comments made in videos sometimes, and the way it is said just isn't actually right, but you are right. If you are swinging down, you have to be careful not to hit the ground in the down swing.
Loads of ways to move. We human, can do it any way you like… and let’s not forget the definition of a good golf swing; simply the command of the ball 👍
wow, another extremely important part to know and to try to "feel"! just great...
Swing it any ole way you want brother!
Love the different metaphor! And it makes it so much easier to swing- reducing the forces we create by trying to "muscle" the club up and back.
i was able to try it just doing some chipping and so far it seems quite valid. i'm now thinking of the golf action as a bit more linear and not up and down so much. like you say the swing arc and rotation kinda happen anyway. thnx for the help.
Fantastic! Keep us posted on you progress please!
Been working with an instructor on this type of swing, but ive been having some problems with getting flippy and standing up like you talked about early on. This I think will really help me get things in the right direction more often with a lot less thinking about it over the ball. Some practice swings indicated as much. I will have to give this a shot at my range session today. Really like the forward swing thought
Fantastic! Let us know how the session goes!! 🙏❤️
Holy moly this is amazing.
Thank you so much!!! 🙏🙏
❤ hi Coach this is coming up and clearly explain my thinking about force direction, a lot of coaches try to pull up the grip to hit the ball and it will need to time how much to go down and how much and when to go up. That will be too hard under pressure . This is gold ❤
🙏 yes! Thank you!
This is a radical change of intent for me... but it makes total sense. I struggle with the flipping and verticality... this is wild.
Right on man! Keep us posted if you implement these ideas! ❤️
Great insight and visual explanation of how the arms should work in your backswing and downswing. This actually helps me a lot !
Glad it was helpful!
Another elite video. It took me so long to understand to transition. I used to pull down my arm and swung down. It’s a level hit after you drop, level and horizontal turn
Yes! 💡
This taught me as well. I think a lot of frustration golfers have trying to figure the Elite swing maps are loading heavy in backswing. I found if I loaded heavy it was automatically gonna be a pull down on downswing. Where is that early load suppose to go at the top? It has to be no load backswing then load on downswing. I went from a 5-7 handicap to whipping some serious ass.
@@jaywatson9493 keep on whooping that 🍑 dawg!!
Intention, says it all. Saved my game, thank you.
Mind blowing... Thank you!!!
So nice of you!
Incredible concept and so simple
Right on! Fairly simple concept for sure! Where you wanna send it bro?!
Just went to the range today.. this is my swing!!! Thank you for this!! I was wondering how to get a better takeaway and rotation with what was already working well… send the club drop push trail hand pull lead hand 💥 best instruction for golf!! No more guessing!
Love it! Keep us posted and keep hitting it well!! ❤️❤️
Another fantastic video ! Your explanation with this topic and all your videos gives us beginners and seasoned golfers great insight ..
Riley , you posted a short video on the topic of squeeze cut shots . Would you recommend that movement for high handicappers like myself , or follow more of the sequencing video and incorporate this force direction motion ?
So much amazing content but all can be confusing when learning the swing ! Thanks again for your generosity with your EliteGoldSchool videos !
The squeeze cut feel can be helpful for a player who gets stuck and hits block draws. All depends on your pattern
Thanks
Very interesting approach.👍
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Thank you, anyone teaching this in Northern California..awesome backswing explanation and visuals..very enjoyable video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just got off the range using the same feels…May have been the BEST range session I’ve ever had.
Tremendous!!! So much fun huh?!
Most effortless my swing has felt in years!
@@nickbaker1189 let’s gooooo!!
You are so awesome 🤜🤛 But one question, and it's more of a general question. How do you create speed and a free float during the swing? I feel so much tension in my body during the swing and therefore start to work with the whole body (read hips)
Wow, what an epiphany. Thank you. 🤩
Gains baby!!!
@@elitegolfschools Ha! It's lovely - very excited to implement it!
@@granola929 please keep us posted on how it goes!!!! 🙏
As a junior I was always told to lift the arms above the plane in order to generate a 2-plane swing. My ball striking got so much better when I just focused on letting the arms ride the turn.
That is the truth! Somehow, someday the player must feel the interaction between the body and the arms 🙏
Awesome!!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
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I been trying to figure this out and I’m nit saying I got it but this is the best explanation. Awesome I can experiment with this. Thank you
Great stuff again
Glad you enjoyed it
after having my morning coffee and waking up a bit this is actually a simple concept, again thnx i got it.
Fantastic! ☕️
Same Here😂
@@nemosdaddy6917 ☕️ ‼️
This really made me see the swing in completely different way. Totally cleaned up my inside take away. And simplified my thoughts. I had one question. It seems like now when things are good, it’s great. But every once in a while I’ll get shanks. With these concepts what do I need to focus on more to not shank it?
Take a look at our create space video! This will clean up those excessive heel shots 😉
really enjoyed this discussion, and i hope to remap my own swing using your ideas, im wondering how difficult it will be for 1/2 and 3/4 wedge swings. Will there need to be more timing involved.
If anything, in our experience it gets easier at lower speeds 🙏
Took this to the course and the zip through the ball was amazing. Even with driver although did loose a couple right but complete operator error. Old “don’t go left” reaction crept in.
Do you have a force direction driver session?
Same concept with driver!
Complicated but Very interesting concept. Came across this after a poor round after backswing rotation issues. Tried this backwards force motion at home and seemed to unlock the beast with my foam balls. By arms & body moving more in the upward pressure, my body is struggling to move without tension in muscle & hips. Moving level force back & forward, I feel lot more loose on backswing & quicker speed on the downswing.
Love that! Super exciting gains!! All about those maps in our minds 🗺️
Fascinating. This is one of those videos I’ll need to save and watch a few times to really understand completely. Understanding and executing are two different things. It will take some practice and I like the slow motion training. Does your ball position change at all? I’m thinking not but think I should ask anyhow.
Right on! And ball position change throughout the bag or our preference in ball position?
It would be helpful to see each of you, swinging the way you’re instructing us viewers to swing from a down-the-line view and a face-on view in real speed and in slow motion. We would see more of the swing you’re demonstrating and talking about and so it would be easier to emulate it through mirroring.
Thanks for the input 👍
You are most welcome.
Riley - This is a wonderful further explanation of the online lesson I just got from you. It was almost like you were talking to me. For the first time I get that the purpose of the hip drop is to get your spine at the requisite angle to allow you to make a "level" hit with your arms. I now have a much better understanding of what I am trying to accomplish. Looking forward to working on this tomorrow. Also, thanks for adding the search function to your RUclips page.
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting epiphany. I always thought of the upper body drop as a shallowing move. You look at it as getting a level hit.
Voila! Two ways of saying the same thing. Definitely positive reinforcement.
Thank you.
@@warrenp8877 fantastic!! Hit em well!
@@elitegolfschools I took some practice balls out to a nearby sports field this AM and tested your Force Direction concept against my head full of theories about why I am a terrible golfer.
Grab a coffee and have a seat. I found out;
1. You don't have to lift your arms. Who Knew!
2. The target is your target. A bit obtuse so; The swing force is along your target line both on the back and forward swing;
3. My early extension wasn't. It was actually a late upper body drop.
4. Your body rotation is not made better by thinking about how much to turn.
When you finish your coffee, take a bow!
@@warrenp8877 let’s go! So fun hitting great shots!!!!!! Keep it up and keep us posted 🙏
So good!
Thanks!
I don’t know if it’s because I’m a new dad of 2 girls, but this might be the best analogy and conceptual explanation of swing forces I’ve ever heard. Love the content fellas, thank you!
Thanks so much man!! Means a lot
love all your videos , i try to find how you control your impact with the wrist . please do one video with this. I watched TJ hold bowed wrist from the start of downswing until impact. Is this correct? do you release to cup after impact , at impact in the neutral? or bowed still? thanks so much for your lessons
I think watching our waggle video and our hand action video will help a bunch 🙏
Different strokes for different folks. 3rd year into golf and close to scratch….. RUclips is the best!
Nice!
Really good!! I just couldnt match my lead wrist, because in backswing it go kinda up and a bit cupped, but it's hard to "manipulate" it back to this more level hit, any suggestions?
Put a ruler under your watch strap. Great way to flatten wrist.
This is awesome. I have been doing some of this naturally following your other tips, but a few questions I have is
a) how much (if at all) do we want to feel like we are holding onto the face or delaying the release (maybe I mean keep stable)
b) are we also swinging the center of mass the same going forward as we do the level hit, similar to how we were throwing it towards the camera in the backswing?
For many it feels almost the opposite of “holding the face.” But it really does depend on the pattern in particular
Loved this! Makes a lot of sense. One question I had, is there any concern about losing “compression” on the ball if you’re hitting it more on a level plane vs downward plane?
Not exactly! If anything this feel would increase compression (especially for you, Adam) -TJ 😎
Huge video!
Let’s go!!
Awessssooooommmme details. Wow🤯
Thank you! 🙏
Can you all do a video on ball position? Might need to just be a quick reel or youtube short but I'm struggling with ball position right now and having a hard time finding it. Would love if you had a good method to feel a good ball position for a "stock" shot in this system.
Just forward of center for most clubs, driver left heel 👍
Sending initial force to your trail side vs above you is very interesting. Definitely need to give that a try.
Game changer
@@elitegolfschools Do you guys give lessons to old hacks like myself or just guys who can actually play? lol
@@JoshZlaketoh man! We coach everyone! Would love to work with you! If you click on our bio then you will see all of our in person and virtual options 🙏
If you hit via a bryson dechambeau straight armed swing set up for impact would you recommend this action of thinking. ❤?
Can still work, just depends upon where you’re sending force 👍
This video helps me best ever
Fantastic!! Keep us posted on your results!
Makes sense 👍🏼
In the past when I started golfing, I used my arm and hip to drive at the ball which is not the current swing technique. The arm should drop down first and hip rotate at P6 …
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Niceun….when you drop how do you control depth and low point? Who would you say to watch to see it who’s the best at it?
The “hitting” sensation level and across the body is how we control low point 👍
What an awesome concept! Quick question though - how can we 'send the club to camera' while maintaining connection? When I try this I feel as though my arms become too disconnected from the rest of my body
Is there a video with more explanation of that level follow through? This video explained and helped so much and would like more understanding on how to hit more level that hitting “down”.
I would check out “unloading the spiral line” on our page
Great video! Had one question... Where does the lead arm internal rotation come into play during the hit?
Transition 👍
Trying to get the adductor part in this video while having both hands on the club. Does the lead arm really work like a Hinge from the elbow?
More so the shoulder joints, but yes
"Okay.... Map"
"Map"
Haha you guys are awesome
When showing how to apply lateral force in the backswing you advise TJ to rotate and then move the COM (or head of the axe) laterally but in the forward swing your focus appears to be on an initial level movement of the arms (rather than the COM/axe head) and letting the body respond/support the motion. In the event that I have this right - should we focus on applying force to the COM in the forward swing as well. Seems to me that this would help the club whip through impact. ?????
Yes great question! And most definitely we need to apply force in the COM of the club through the strike. Just be mindful of directionality of force when doing so ❤
Curious, can you still add a bow wrist in this process but more like a Mike Bender style? Or would something like that disrupt the swing in a way?
You definitely can do this 👍
Under playing pressure l couldnt get the club back far enough to add trail side throw. I just went back to my spinout low pull hook.
I'm a believer but need a drill to identify when l block the back swing. Next I'll try to focus on the bounce back when the club reaches maximum height to see if that works under game pressure.
If there is another drill to achieve that position I'm all ears.
Great video… question… we’ve learned in this video the swing is not vertical… but is it truly horizontal? Is it not a combination of both ( normal / perpendicular ) to the plane your spine sets in the drop?
The hit will be perpendicular to the spine for hitters. The more a player drops the more this happens in the swing
When you talk about shoulder flexion causing the arms to rise, does the scapula rise as well? Or does the scapula stay down in a neutral position and just the arms go up?
Elevation and depression of the scap does happen to some degree but definitely prefer most players not actively perform that act 🙏
What is the clubbed end supposed to feel like when I'm moving with those force directions?
Oh man, not exactly a simple answer to type out. In short, the trail wrist works from extension to flexion through the strike, which leverages the clubhead “behind” the arms in transition, and shoots the clubhead “in front” of the arms into finish 👍
Very interesting concept and it makes good sense. The forward swing makes more sense...easier to see. But how are you applying horizontal force in the backswing? When you told TJ to shoot force straight at you, he did that with no rotation, so the energy had to come from the shoulders/arms, right? otherwise he'd fall forward. When you told him to turn his midline and then shoot energy back to the camera, where was the force energy coming from? Chest? Shoulders/arms? TJ reacted like it was a very different feel, so I'm really curious. Still trying to spiral up and away and use the ribs and chest to power the arms going back. Thanks for the help--love your content!
Pivot the chest first, then send the arms level and away. This makes a lot of things happen naturally… 🤔 🌀
Awesome stuff!! I highly recommend the golf school to anyone watching this. 10/10. The best part is after the school, all the videos seem to build on one another and simplify the map they’re teaching. Can’t wait to hit some golf balls after this one
Thanks so much dude! Glad you enjoyed the school 🙏
Good video, but questions for sure. In all swings from DL, You see arms rise above the shaft plan line if marked on video... So from that angle with 2 D camera you see a lift, or rise of the arms to the top. Would you agree? If so, then they must lower back to the shaft plane prior to impact for solid contact. It appears that you suggest to lower the body, thus the sternum, and NOT lower the arms, then the concept is to direct lateral force forward... I get that, but lowering the body is an alternate way of lowering the arms or getting the arms on the shaft plane, and to measure body lowering seems problematic. Any thoughts on this?
Yep! Love those thoughts! And truly, there is going to be some amount of extension in the shoulders through the hit. It’s more the intention we are speaking to here as well as the limits to extension in the shoulders. Key is not throwing extension in shoukd re immediately in transitionary phase
This is a fantastic "map".
One question: in other videos you have discussed the importance of ulnar deviation in unlocking the necessary lowering of the clubhead plane. Any tips on how to recognize/match whether ulnar or spine perpendicularity to the ball (to unlock this arm pattern) is the right place to start/focus?
"Book a lesson and fly to Colorado" is an acceptable answer lol
Oh man, all kinds of ways to do that. Working into trail side bend, lead arm internal rotation, train wrist supination all ways to do it!
AND! We would definitely love to work with you… if hopping on a plane isn’t feasible then we do have virtual sessions available for those who can’t/dont want to travel 🙏❤️
Thoughts on the force actually being more down initially instead of horizontal?
Probably a blend of both, again think of the swing set - the force is probably down and horizontal 👍
Cool video my coach Milo uses the swing set analogy a lot, but your use was slightly different. By the way Milo’s swing is probably the best example of not needing shoulder flexion as he has almost none and I’ve never seen anyone his size hit it farther or better.
He bombs it!
coach, you got ti start charging for these lol. Thanks for another banger.
Let’s go Ed! And no secret is are with us! We feel like it’s gunna help them we’re gunna share it with the world! 🌎
@@elitegolfschools I just signed up for a swing analysis on the website. Hopefully I get to work with you guys soon!
@@eddielau7062 fantastic! Can’t wait to get crushing with you!
Mind blown! Here is a question. If one map is swing down and body moves opposite direction to counter it (down) when you think of forward swing does body move back / away from target? Just curious all the feels … thanks!
In some regards yes, and you’ll see that from larger energy swings (driver). We discuss this in our driver video discussing the three main forces in the golf swing as well as our driver vs wedge swing video 🙏❤️
Interested to know why he’s not making the hip on the hoola hoop move to start the backswing, as demonstrated in a previous video? Thanks
Hula hoop is simply lateral movement. Still love seeing that action as a preference. We are simply discussing force direction in the arms in this particular video.
@@elitegolfschools Which move is preferred for lateral in the backswing, the pelvis move or rib sway?
@@ffkirch can do it either way. The hey is shifting pressure laterally before the club begins to travel. Also, ideally, both actions happen early 🙏
Can you comment on how you apply pressure into the grip in backswing to achieve the level force? Would feeling like you push down and out with right palm pad sound correct?
Correct!
@@elitegolfschools thanks, awesome video
@@user-ew3tq3ho7x thank you!
A really interesting take on the so-called squat move advocated by many top golf coaches. However, your student is clearly a very accomplished golfer who was able to understand the concept and moreover, put it into practice remarkably quickly. How would a 10-18 handicapper fare I wonder?
The “student” here… one of the reasons I am so accomplished is because I’ve been working on these concepts with Coach Riley for over a decade. The concepts apply, whether you are a beginner, intermediate, or advanced 🙏
how would you hit a push draw or a pull fade?
Definitely ways to adjust the system. I would watch our video, Draw vs. Fade for more!
Just FYI, your videos , apparently, aren't tagged as "Golf Swing" for RUclips. When I open RUclips there are selections at the top: Music, Comedy, Golf Swing, etc... If Yoone of your videos is displayed when I open RUclips, it disappears if I click "Golf Swing". Click "Golf Swing" and Elite Golf School videos are never displayed. Just a heads-up, maybe there's something you can do to change this. Your probably missing a lot of views. Good luck, and keep the Elite instruction coming. Thanks
Great advice! Very much appreciate this!!!
Very Interesting Video. Thank you. If you lower the torso rather than the arms, why wouldn’t you assume that lowered position through out. The answer I guess is you’re not using the ground. But if you’re using the ground on the through swing I.e. pushing up & away, wouldn’t you have to lower your arms?
The spine goes into extension in transition so many have to feel an active drop to offset this 🙏
Hmmmmmm very interesting 🤔 i have never heard of this concept before but the physics behind it somehow makes sense.I definitely would like to learn more about this. Any ideas how i can get in contact with this academy to learn more.
Link is in our bio my friend
6:47 that was really dope to see and I knew immediately what you were getting at.
Took me by surprise man!
Ok,that blows my mind. Too many variables?
Looking to illuminate them
Good stuff guys!!! Where are y’all located?
Thanks so much! We’re in CO, AZ, and NC 🙏
Now I understand, not to lift up but swing back image. But I have a detailed question. Can u give a optimal hand level of active swing back in clock system? More and more active back swing like to the 10 o’clock hand level will give me more power but it will ruin my consistency.
I guess active back swing thought to 8 o’clock level is fine. What is your best suggestion. Thank you.😂(I asked u this with hand level because it is easiest way to describe active swing back level. I do swing with your chest engine system😅)
It will definitely depend on the amount of energy… take a look at energy of a wedge compared to driver. They look fairly different from one another 👍
@@elitegolfschools thank you so much
I saw your video again, maybe 9 o’clock for wedges and irons, for the driver more is allowed!
@@user-pf3xc8ms9l great map!
This is a concept I have felt in my good swings, but never dissected it like you have here. Very interesting, but a lot more to unpack also. For example, you don’t push a swing parallel to the ground, it’s is pushed on a slightly downward angle. That leads to questions like, a) when is the proper timing of the initial force generation, and b) on exactly what line/angle/heading should the force be directed? After all, there are 180° on either side (forward and back) force can be directed towards 🤔🧐
🤔 all good questions!
If you take the essence of the video’s message as a high level advice you can’t ask low level questions
@@cdunne1620 any and all questions are welcomed here 🙏
@@cdunne1620please define “low level,” because I think you mean that one can’t ask detailed (low level) questions about a broad (high level) theory…macro vs micro 🧐 If so, that’s exactly how any hypothesis is either proven or disproven. Not to mention, vagueness in golf instruction is a big reason most players never get better. “Pivot back and through in the golf swing” is high level, but I’d bet dollars to donuts that you ask 100 golfers what that means and you’ll get 100 different answers. I’m a fan of the mechanics that Elite Golf School promotes, mainly because they get into the details. Would be nice to dig into the specifics with this idea as well 🤓
@@Bamagolfandguitar .. yes I see your point. My point was more along the lines of: test the high level first before asking about the low level stuff. I see so many people asking about minute details which really is impossible to answer meaningfully when we all interpret and understand words slightly differently. I would test first and then come back for more detail if you need it, anyhow
Swing Level, Sit Down. ❤
Yes sir!
Understand the active ab/aduc movements of the shoulders. I thought the chest was the active main power source from your other videos.
How do you mentally/ physically blend the two power sources?
Suspect I'm missing something.
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Chest supports the swinging action of the arms 🙏
Clears that up..thank you! At what point P? do you actively ab/aduc?
Thanks again
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@@leshooton around p5ish… you’ll start to actively abduct the lead arm 🙏