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Silky vs Bahco Laplander | Best Bushcraft Saw
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If I had to choose one saw only to buy in this category - I would buy the Bacho Laplander.
Great review! I'll get the laplander very soon
imsuckingwind yeah I really wanted to see the silky f180 fair over the bahco
Ok Merci 😉👍
Bahco for sure. I use a small nail file to sharpen the blade and it works really well.
Silky always snap
The only man on RUclips that is able to make a bahco cut faster than a gomboy... incredible!
How is that ?
if he move his hand faster and better with the bahco it happens.
the silki is perfect, I think it's one of the best portable saws, it performs precise and fast cuts
Alex
just watched the review, here are my notes:
Laplander: two time cheaper, cuts better/ both ways, weights less, better lock mechanism
Silky: overpriced lol
Went with the Bacho. Love it! Thanks, great reviews.
+RUclipsExplorer good choice
Nice review. Actually ordered a Bahco a couple days ago, this reaffirms my decision in choosing the Bahco. Can't wait to get this saw.
i have both, i actually prefer the silky , i have broken one because they do take about 1 day to get used to, but after that it cuts much much better than the baco
and them blades on the Silkys is broken due to user failure... not to blame the brand..
Haven't used a Silky but I recently bought the Laplander and it works very well (however I do find that it tends to get stuck in wood a lot (even if it is dry) but raising the log so that the cut widens seems to help a bit). Overall it does seem to be of decent quality and a good purchase if you are on a budget.
So I will say this...not sure why people keep comparing these saws they have completely different blade types The Silky is made specifically for pruning with a aggressive tooth style where the Bahco has a less aggressive general purpose type tooth style...Just saying. Great video though.
More importantly they are also, in totally different price brackets. Here in the uk, the silky is more than double the price of the bahco.
@@exiletsj2570 in Canada its the same price for both. i have a silky and the fact that its a pull saw tops anything else. i am waiting for a sale to buy a Bahco just to try it and have a backup, but for 40$ its high priced considering the silky are the world top quality saw.
Good review, next try the replacement blade that most places sell for the laplander and other similar Bahco saws-- the 396-JT. It is a different tooth pattern than the XT blade that comes with the Laplander- more aggresive and also sharpenable. I am not sure if the Silky blades are sharpenable. I have found the JT to be much faster and less "bindy" in green wood and about the same in dry wood as the XT that comes with the Bahco
+Scot Scheideman Does that replacement blade fit on the Laplander?
Yes it does,,,, in fact Bahco doesn't offer the same blade that the Laplander comes with separately. The saw I bought is identical to the Laplander except for color ,,, mine is blaze orange. >>> here are links to the saw I bought and the 396JT is the recommended replacement blade. The link is for a store in Canada here ( www.mec.ca/en/product/4009-407/Folding-Wood-Saw ) >>> the blade link ( www.mec.ca/en/product/4006-170/Replacement-Saw-Blade ) The blade is available on Amazon and alot of gardening stores that sell the Bahco saws for tree pruning
Yes they sell original replacement blades for the laplander as well.
Hi there sorry to hear about your new saws the silky saw is far better than the Laplander it just takes mussel memory to use them practise makes perfect when you are using a pull saw buy a cheap one to start with then move up to the bigger ones as you master it then the chances of breaking it go down the Laplander saw is good as well but very different to the silky you have a push/pull saw compared to a pull saw to different saw altogether but quite a good little review all the best stay safe
In my opinion the build quality on the Silky is better in both the handle and pivot where the blade us attached to the handle, and the Silky doesn't get stuck as often in wood. Plus replaceable blades is big, it's a lot easier to carry 2 new blades than 2 new saws. My vote is on the Silky
My Bacho arrived yesterday morning and I only just discovered it at my front door hidden behind the door carpet 😂 And Amen 🙏 praise the Lord for He is good and is worthy to be praised. ☺️😉
“It’s built better” after showing you broke
The blades on both of them lol
The tips broke due to user error.
How many tips broken on Bahco from user error?
If you can learn to use the silky, it’s better.
@@ReviewOutdoorGear A good comparison might be a professional kitchen knife vs a cheaper kitchen knife. If you are careful the pro knife is a far better knife, but if you are rough with them the pro knife blade will break much more easily. A tradeoff with harder Japanese blades is you need to use them well. The benefit, a harder blade will retain its edge much longer.
@@savedfaves Correct. Track record shows that a Silky blade lasts about 3 times longer. Then you can either buy a new saw, or replace the blade (which is relatively expensive due to the high tech hardening process.) By the way, one cannot sharpen a Silky blade.
I've seen allot of broken tips on the silky but allot of experts prefer it over the bahco. For my weekend warrior needs i prefer the bahco
funny this is the only video i found were the Bahco went faster. all the other 43video i watched the Silky always won.
I have both and find the silky tends to cut faster. The silky is faster on hard and seasoned woods for sure. On green and pine I find the blade gets a little gummed up vs the bahco so they tend to be closer on that kind of wood. I use the bahco more for backpacking as it is more durable and lighter, as you see in this video there are tons of videos of people snapping the blade on the silky.
@Diggler incorrect as far as I'm concerned, we both have an opinion, and it is just that, an opinion. I own both, they are both great saws with different strengths and weaknesses. There is a reason you see people snapping the blade on a Silky and not the same happening to the bahco, it's simply the bahco is more durable.
@ Under the right conditions and used correctly you can argue that the silky is "strong enough" if used properly perhaps. But put in a situation where you are overtired or careless in some manner the bahco is more forgiving of a mistake, it's simply more durable. That is why if I am backpacking and need my gear not to fail miles in the woods I will take the bahco. It is also lighter, a plus for backpacking. Like I said, I have both, use both, I'm not a silky fan boy like you, I'm able to objectively evaluate both saws. I will grab my silky 9 out of 10 times to trim a branch in the yard, I enjoy using it more in that situation. I own both saws and use both, you obviously don't or you would not make such statements.
flashman V I’ve owned both saws at one point in time and gave my Bacho away because the Gomboy out preformed it 10 out of 10 times. Use it as intended with a pull cut and it won’t break, plain and simple. You can’t fault a tool for breaking if it’s not used correctly, that’d be like saying the Bacho sucks because it broke while using it as a pry bar. I actually could never figure out all the rage about the Laplander being the “greatest folding saw” ever.
@@flashmanv3260 hey man nice point about being "worn out" people that havent been wet tired hungry cold and miserabel at the same, dont understand what it wil do too your skills been there myself and yes i will admit it was because of bad outdors skils. hope you get my english
stay dry Bro!
Improper tool use. Anybody that picks the bacho over the Silky deserves it.
Lol...whatever, bud. The Bahco works well enough for many applications, and better for some.
to me its surprising that both of your silky blades broke off. I am using my silky Gomboy for over a year almost daily and have never had or heard of this problem before. I am not drawing conclusions but it might be your technique
It was definitely my technique. It took a bit of time to get used to the way the saws work but since then I haven’t broken any more blades.
@@ReviewOutdoorGear for prolonged use the silky is better as it requires less effort. cut a log 20 times with both and see which one is fastest on cut 20, it'll be the silky. The technique is to only use effort on the pull, never on the push
Digging your thorough reviews!!
You need to look at Survival Russia. He has a video made just for you and other people who need to learn how to properly use a Silky saw.
@ ...or they use it for applications for which the Bahco is better suited. Those do exist. It is hilarious that you poo poo others for being "fanboys" when you are CLEARLY ONE YOURSELF.
Good answer !
Silky saw big time all the way !!
Great review. The best comparison I have seen and it's made my mind up. Thanks.
SAM - South African Man Thanks!
IMHO:
This is a very very fair and well done review.
Therefore, kudos to You mate.
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..very soon after I started using a plain, good, old, regular saw in me Dad's workshop when I was - i dont know, 8 or 9 years old, this very thing; the feeling; the intuition that 'the very probability of the steel bending maybe (?)', was the first and only thing about sawing, that started haunting me and surely yet to this day. Sure enough, me writing these now, only years after, having learnt that that bending of the steel problem was actually, a buckling phenomenon.
(We are indeed talking about buckling, lads. No need to bend the product etc. and prove us it does or doesn't fail, aye.)
Not yet a user of these products. But, one is qualified to claim (based on this review) that during sawing, Silky is supposed to give you less 'exhaustion' due to the fact that by cutting in one direction -- not 2, and still taking less than 2 times of the Bahco - hope you would understand (me).
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Just recently, I was also me ass up on the ceiling when I learnt about the variety of "steel" types..
..just how many types of "plain, good, old, regular steel".
Hoping Y'All a Great Chemistry Fellas.
Cheers,
Alper
PS: like i said, this buckling thing. This is why, and still by intuition, i naturally feel like using, say a 10 unit long saw to cut something (that it is designed to saw) much less than 10 units in diameter in this case (yes, due to the sawing action, it does become almost impossible to spontaneously judge where the tip of the saw will end while sawing.)
If your aiming to chop a 20 inch diameter log, don't use a 20 inch long saw blade. Use much longer.
..otherwise it could just buckle (!).
Very well done. I appreciate the review and links. I have the Silky and will be picking up the Bacho now.
awesome ...thanks
this video really helped me to get the right one .
Say Heah, There's a new saw on the block. Infact I just bought two new ones. I bought the EZ KUT WoW Folding Saw that cuts really fast because how the teeth are and my Agawa Canyon 21 Boreal Saw which is similar to the Duster Bow Saw but I O is alot better, Yeah I have the Black on Yellow plus I bought Scabbards for both. I carry a extra blade in each. In my Agawa Canyon I have the aggressive extra blade in it. I do have a Silky Bigboy 2000 But my Agawa Canyon 21 Boreal Saw is now my first choice for my Cold Weather trips. Good review, Thanx You.,, p
Silky F180 is their competition to the Laplander as a pack take / bushcraft saw..
Its all in the technique and for extended use then for me the Silky's win.
Don't think it matters that much; the important bit is to actually take a saw with you. Safer and more efficient than an axe or chopping blade.
Pocket Knife, F180 and a Skrama are my reach for tools for a jaunt in the woods..
+Muskett I agree, it's more important to have a decent saw in the first place. These two are very close with a slight difference in the intended application.
Great video, thanks!
"If you're looking for something that is gonna last you a little bit longer" get the Silky? The blade won't last as long as the Bahco, if it keeps snapping. Plus, at twice the price, the Silky would have to last twice as long. Will it, though? :/
Yes it will. It will definitely stay sharp twice as long. The blade only snapped because I used it wrong and pushed on a cut instead of pulled. 🤷🏻♂️
@@ReviewOutdoorGear If it does stay sharp for at least twice as long, then it would be worth it, I guess. They also come with holders, so that's also something. Hmmm, now I am intrigued. I'll go with a pocketboy I think. Thanks!
I have both and like them both. Stay away from the cheap Harbor Freight type saws that just don't hold up as well.
This is the best review I've seen:)
The Silky is true to Japanese quality workmanship, but the Bahco does the job just fine for half the price. And so do the Fiskars. I really don't care about some 3 seconds plus/minus.
Good review, can you sharp the blades for both saws ?
No
Bonjour So which one is the best ?
I’d say it depends on what you want - dependability - bahco, quick sawing - silky
Steve Berwick Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Proof is in the pudding.
I have the silky pocket boy and the bigboy and I have had no problem with them breaking but I have got problems with them dulling. Would you say the bahco Laplander would stay sharp for longer?? Great video! Thanks!
Misuse of a pull saw is no excuse for a poor review! You can’t go to the end of a pull saw, then push it and saw the blade broken?
Hi :) You say that the Bahco don't have replacable blade, but it's wrong, you could buy replacable blade, or replaced it with a blade for the Pro Serie, which has the same size.
Yes you can buy a blade that fits into it, but it is not the replacement for the blade that is on there. 🙂
I wouldn't say the Silky will last longer, you already proved that! If it is brittle now how will it be in sub zero weather??? Thanks for the honest review Vlad! I will stick with my Bahco!
thank you :-) that was a very well presented review
7:39 "..maybe it's just me ..." Sorry, but no "maybe" about it. If a Silky blade is broken by a user, then it IS as a result of poor technique (NB A Silky does not break - it is broken by the user.). The cutting motion is a critical part of the effectiveness of the saw. At the end of the pull stroke, it is essential to reduce any downward pressure, and slightly lift the blade for the return (push) stroke. (The purpose of this stroke is only to clean out the kerf for the next pull stroke) Our brains know this, but haste takes over, and we want to cut as fast as possible (for some indefinable reason that I have yet to understand) so we push instantly. That's where the blade snap can occur. When using a Silky saw one must accept that a significantly slower motion brings the best results. It's almost like the wheels on a steam locomotive - a round piston like motion in a counter-clockwise direction. It is NOT a natural motion for most people, hence the need for practice and a slowing down deliberately, till one has mastered the technique.
For those who find this irksome or too inconvenient to bother with, then a Bahco Laplander is a good alternative. They are both superior tools.
8:00 Cost. Experience by arborists and outdoorsmen confirm that Silky blades on average last up to 3 times longer than Bahco blades in terms of becoming too blunt to use effectively. I'll leave you to do the Math on that one. (Is $15 extra going to break your bank on a tool that will last you decades? Seriously? )
9:51 We're back to "how fast?" again. Why is this so crucial? What possible impact could spending an extra 20 seconds make in the overall scheme of things?
10:35 Right there, before you've even started, you've made your first mistake regarding technique! You're setting up to use it like a push style carpenter's saw! No wonder you snap the blades. Starting off the cut with a Silky, one starts at the handle end with an initial low pressure PULL stroke! Not a PUSH stroke.
Then you saw away EXACTLY like you would use a Laplander! Your sawing motion is almost vertically downwards, so basically you're cutting with the Silky's push stroke instead of the pull stroke! Of course it won't cut as well. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and concede that this is from ignorance not premeditated to influence the outcome of the test. With a Silky, one saws in such a way as to make the PULL stoke as effective as possible. This generally means sawing in a horizontal (not vertically sown) action in towards your body, preferably above waste high. This encourages the emphasis on the pull stroke.
I don't mean to be over-critical, but these videos influence the way people think, and many act upon that. I found this video to be presenting Silky in a very poor light, almost entirely down to using the worst possible technique in the test. Why not pit yourself up against someone who is proficient in using a Silky saw instead?
Japanese quality is one of the best in the world, but when it comes to steel manufacturing the sweeds are number 1, i think the bahco is sandvik 12c27
laplander all the way. They might dull a bit quicker but because of the softer heat treat they won't snap like the silky. Also the price difference just makes it a no brainer. At least for me.
Moose Plus they do actually make replacement blades for it for just over half the price of the whole thing, Ray Mears sells them on his site.
Moose only the teeth are heat-treated on the silky. Heat treat has nothing to do with why he broke two blades. operator error is to blame.
I have a gomboy 240 medium and a pocketboy 170 large, and have cut a lot of wood with the former without any problems. There is no need to put a lot of force on the push stroke, Why would you do that? I have found many people who don't use hand tools a lot, break tools, not just saws.
The pocket boy 170 is easy to bend, it has a much thinner blade. It is a fine saw and works well even when slightly bent, but would not recommend for beginners.
Just my 2 cents.
ps If you want a saw that will out perform the Laplander but don't want to pay for the silky try the corona. The ergonomics on it are superior to the silky and Laplander, but it is plastic like the Laplander.
Great comparison video.
Good video, but you say the bacho is less quality construction but if both of the silky saws broke on the first day, what one is really more quality? Just a thought.
+Sam Rosado That's a good point. The body construction is better in the Silky but the blade seems to be worse.
@UCcO-lkxG6svKbQASCnWZAsA it is not about "perfect execution" it is simply not trying to push cut with a pull cut saw. I have used silky saws for years and never broken one. I take mine on several day long backpacking trips and several week long bicycle trips.
Silky saws are by far the #1 choice among professional arborist. The bahco on the other hand is the #1 choice of ham handed boys and hard headed old men.
Simply put, the silky will out preform and out last the bahco, all day every day.
Sorry to be so blunt. 🍻
Ps i live nowhere near a "city".
Very nice reviev man!
If I needed a saw for that particular task, I would get the Silky. The Silky is a Japanese pruning saw. They cut on the pull stroke. They are supposed to bind and possibly break on a down-pressured forward stroke. But, when used correctly, they will give you a precise cut. Price as spoken of in this video has no relevancy, as cost of replacement blades and durability with correct use was not spoken. Bahco only wins if overall size is considered whilst a very compact size is desired. Ya heard me?
Dammit why do they make so many choices i just want the best one
haha,,, omg... comparing the blade length with a broken blade on the silky.... good job
Silky makes far superior saws than the Laplander, hands down. Just gotta figure out the pull cut and your blade will not snap. I gave my Bacho away after I bought a gomboy. I was actually very disappointed in the Bacho after using it for cutting firewood
Hi, I wanted to know by your own experience which of these jigsaws is the best choice to use in nature? Thanks Michele.
Silki’s look cheap AND they break…very easy choice if you ask me…
Superior build quality.. but the blade easily snaps? That says it all, for me. Also, you can easily find replacement blades for the Bahco. Someone's (on purpose?) not looking hard enough.
No, I actually really tried to find replacement blades. It is not possible (at the time; I haven’t looked lately) to find the saw blade. I’ve heard there are other saw blades that may fit, but they have different tooth patterns. Also they cost $20, so you might as well just get a new saw.
Fair point, but Bahco actually sells replacement blades for the Laplander. Other makers do, but that's not my concern. I'd prefer a Bahco blade to an after-market. You're right, at $20 each you might as well get a new saw.
I’m am genuinely curious about where you found the replacement blades! Could you please give me the link?
The Laplander!..everytime !..quality piece of kit ! The silky is too heavy and expensive!
Laplander bacho is $20. Silky is $32.
Yes.
@@ReviewOutdoorGear silky is inferior as many others have fractured blades as well. And for $5 more you can get a mora knife with bacho saw.
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What has killed the silky for me is it's lack of a closed lock (darn thing has even opened in my pocket) and the addition weight. I like to use it around my house but if I am going to put any kind of milage in, I grab the Bacho. The Bacho has a slightly slower cut but if you are tired and especially if it is really cold out you know it will be more forgiving. Plus I dropped the thing down a rock cliff by accident and it came out perfectly fine so I think the plastic is stronger than it feels lol
Bacho is made in Finland
No, Sweden.
The laplander maybe faster but in an emergency survival situation I would rather have a non-breakable blade than a fast cutting easy to snap laplander. The laplander is great if you're into the tree-trimming business but if you going to be in the middle of nowhere and your life depends on it not a good idea. The reason why the silky snaps is because it's a very hard brittle Steel where the laplander is a softer more flexible Steel
The Silky will last longer because the steel is harder.
Bidirectional does not necessarily make it more effective or efficient. The unidirectional silky will out cut the bacho 99% of the time. A new folding saw just came out 10 to 14 years ago called CORONA, it is 2 times better than the Bacho and just as good as the Silky. And cheaper too boot! Please check it out!