Why Bahco Laplander Sucks (Napisy) Dlaczego Bahco Nie Daje Rady
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Silky vs Bahco vs Husqvarna Saw
When does the Bahco Laplander folding saw suck? When you compare it to other saws ;) No, but seriously. It does suck big time when it comes to cutting green, especially coniferous/resinous, wood. Just go and try it yourself. It may have been the best folding saw for buschraft and camping years ago, when there really was nothing better. Or at least when not many people knew better saws existed.
Porównanie Składanych Pił Bahco Laplander vs Silky 210 vs Husqvarna pruning saw (piłka ogrodowa).
RUclips needs laugh button, of course the Bacho isn't going to easily cut a log that is almost as wide as its blade is long...
the laplander costs less than. half the amount of the silky. the laplander had served me fine for several years. so....it is a lot more inexpensive...and it had done the job just fine.
I would say that it definetly does not suck. it may not cut as cut as smoothly or effeciently as the silky, but that is not how you define if something "sucks". especially since the price points aren't even close to each other.
+David Ward It cost me £20 and I payed a bit more than £30 for Silky so I guess It'll depend on when and where you buy them. Yes, it does get stuck. I even recorded it and posted a video on RUclips to prove it :) It won't get stuck in every type of wood but it will in some. I have never had that problem with the Silky, which also cuts a lot faster. Thanks for watching.
Not to mention the length of blade. This comparison was far from apples to apples.
@@NickDpernia Nothing t o do with it watch the video the bacho sticks end of. what is wrong with people like you?
You are talking rubbish. watch the video the facts speak for themselves.
@@orsoncart9441 my silky has stuck a few times over the years resulting in snapped blades. You'll find it difficult to snap a laplander blade.
It's funny, I don't use either a Silky nor a Bahco. But I tried three different folding saws from the garden store here in Germany. I am most happy with a Gardenia saw now. What I found out is this: A saw where you only pull to cut, seems to work easier. So I asked a local carpenter if this was just imagination. He told me the following thing: The teeth of a saw-blade that only cut in the pulling direction rip or cut the wood while pulling and push the rest of the material out of the cut when pushing. Therefore the cut is "cleaner" and less residue is left in the cut. This avoids extra friction. Also people do not tend to use too much force if they pull the blade and let the blade do the work compared to push&pull blades. When one uses push&pull blades he/she tends to put extra pressure while pushing and this makes many blades stuck in the woods. So I asked him why there are saws with push&pull blades. He said that originally these blades are no push&pull blades, they are pull&pull blades where two people pull on each sides like some big lumber-saws using two people. Even there the lumberjacks only pull on each side and don't push because if they start pushing the saw gets stuck. He said that every carpenter prefers pull-blades for one handed saws. So, due to my experience, especially with wet or green wood, a pull-blade saw works better. Take care, Marc
+Scouting Free That makes a lot of sense. Thanks :)
good explanation. thanks.
+Scouting Free I am a carpenter by trade, served my apprenticeship almost 30 years ago and used push used pull and also push pull and all can be good or bad, good saws had good high carbon steel easy to resharpen and held a good edge for a while although there are good alternative steels available now, a lot of modern saws the teeth are extra hardened only, really tough but when they are pretty dull they are usually trashed, so wasteful but anyway good saws have usually got a thinner following edge compared to down near the teeth, the saw must also have the right amount of set to allow the saw to go through the cut it is creating, lacking any of these and it will not perform well no matter what type a saw it is, even electric.
Some saws in my opinion have a tighter set than they should and with little use this low set becomes almost unusable, it is best to own a saw set so as to be able to customise the tooth set to suit your needs, green wood definitely likes a wider set or it will jam up, a wedge in behind the saw cut to spread the gap apart can also really help when the saw is two thirds through, usually right where it starts to jam up.
Just my two cents : )
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Thanks a lot! Great information!
I just checked out a "gardena" brand pruning saw in the DIY store. The contact info on the back of the attached cardboard refers to the husqvarna support in the appropriate european country. It seems that gardena saws are actually husqvarna with a different color handle and brand stamped on. Might be handy info for ppl who want to pick up a husqvarna saw but cant find a supplier (like me, in the netherlands husqvarna is not very plentiful), unless you want one of their chainsaws, which is a bit heavy for a backpacking saw :p )
You are making a vertical cut with Bacho. It needs to be a horizontal cut in this situation so that the cut opens up under the weight of the log then it won't stick so much.
LOL.
a laplander and its folding saw counter parts are meant for cutting up to 2 3 too 4 diam of wood where a 24 too 30 inch buck saw or bow saw is meant to cut a 10 diam logs the way your cutting that log and using them folding saws on thick wood like that is improper for a folding saw a bow saw with a dry saw blade is ideal for cutting heavy logs like that but good demo why you shouldn't use any folding saws to cut logs that what a bow saws for
With all due respect, Simon.......when it comes to sawing, you've just got bad technique.
If his technique is bad it is bad with all 3 saws so what difference does it make?
His technique is bad with all 3 but worse with the Bahco because the other 2 are pull blades and the Bahco is double action. With double action blades they are properly used horizontally not vertically. Even pull blades shouldn’t be used completely vertically. Other thing is, to use a smaller saw like the Bahco on larger logs and get the full potential you must turn the log every quarter of the way through. Both the other saws were considerably larger blades so may not require that if used at the right angle. I could have taken any of those saws and gone through that in half the time without getting winded.
@@jammyface3041 Not to mention that the log is unsupported and thus (because of not being able to keep a straight line between his saw and cut) adding to getting his Bahco stuck and waisting a lot of energy in the process.
Richard van der Heijden I would agree with that too
Silky Saws cut faster and smoother because of the teeth yet I've heard constant complaints about the saw blade breaking due to user error or temperature changes, so I am not a fan if I am out in the woods and my saw breaks I will be quite upset.
Personally I like the bahco laplander because It is cheaper and I can beat it up if I need to, also If I drop it while camping it doesn't cost nearly as much as the silky does to replace.
The bahco is a better choice for my uses, its cheaper, it locks closed in my pack, the blade allows for more play without breaking, and it cuts everything I've needed it to cut without a problem in any temperature. Nice video!
I have the same opinion. I visit the bunkers, where there are always a lot of dense, prickly bushes. Silky would have a good chance of breaking the blade quickly. And that would be sad to be so far from being able to get an emergency tool of this length.
Bacho laplander is meant for branches, not huge logs. ;-)
+TheAnnoyingThingOutdoors But it weighs and takes as much room as the silky, which doesn't complain about big logs :) Thanks for watching.
+Simon's Discoveries In the end it does depend what you plan to use it for. :-)
TheAnnoyingThingOutdoors No doubt.
Maybe i'm wrong, but i think it's just a misunderstanding of the purpose of thes saws. Laplander is a universal saw designed for all bushcraft activities, incl. cutting of firewood and carving of various items like kuksa, spoon, camp buildings and equipment etc., mostly with hard dry wood. Husqvarna is a garden saw designed for only one purpose: fastest splitting of living (wet) wood, branches and mostly in poorly accessible places, over head, etc., where it really does not matter the fineness or accuracy of the cut, the most important is speed. But is absolutely unusable for carving or any fine cutting, when i need a clean accurate cut, becuse it gets stuck, it breaks the chips etc.
Of course, it is possible use Husqvarna for firewood and for example saw on Victorinox folding knife for carving, but these saws are very short and their use is strongly limited.
Attractiveness of Laplander lies in versatility. And of course design is not bad and for many people is to important country of origin. Laplander is made in Sweden, Husqvarna (like as Fiskars) in Korea.
Good video. I believe the main difference is in your pack or even a pocket. The Laplander is light and compact. The saws you are comparing it to have distinct differences. First the blades are longer than the Lap. Your cutting technique adds to the effort. If you stand to the left a little more so your shoulder and elbow align with the saw lessens effort and fatigue. Also, after you have cut about a third to half way through change the angle about 90°. It makes a huge difference. If the Laplander had the same blade length, you may change your mind. Thank you for the video!
Thank you. The difference in blade length between bahco and silky isn't more than 1" though. I really don't think it changes that much. If my technique was to blame, it should've affected all saws equally. It didn't.
+Simon's Discoveries
It looked like they were more than that. As for my comment on technique. I was referring to using the Laplander in general. Thanks for the reply!
You're definitely using a pull-to-cut technique for Bahco. This actually is an issue with a technique you use which only affects Bahco amongst other competitors.
Yes Ron that is correct. Generally saw users claiming that silly is good and bahco is bad do not use good technique for sawing with the Laplander. This is prevalent through at least 15 videos I've seen. People can say what they want but if it's bullsh**, its easy to spot. Just be aware, informed and you'll see this. This is definitely a trend pattern seen all over youtube for nonsense.
It'a a tree you are working with. The Lapplander is for branches. You need an axe or a regular saw. The two other saws are to big to bring out on a trekking your for days. Lapplander is the best saw I have used and it is extremly priceworthy.
the silky blade used to be broken often than Bahco. tha's a more important thing in survival.
The best saw is the saw you have when you need one. If you have 3 for some reason, I guess then you can get picky.
At MINIMUM, a saw needs to be at least twice the length of the wood diameter. All saw teeth must exit the wood to release chips on each stroke. When you take a three inch stroke, back and forth, in four inch wood, there are wood chips deep in the cut that are never removed. That is why he had trouble with binding. The extra length of the other two saws had a definite advantage.
If you must cut that wood, pull the saw completely out of the wood every second stroke. Takes longer, but no binding makes it easier.
No, a saw doesn't have to be twice as long as the log is wide. And even if that were true, the other saws aren't that much longer than the Bahco anyways. An extra inch of blade length is supposed to create that difference in performance? I don't think so. This time, it's not about the length.
But let's take a look at what's actually in the video - 8:07 - since I have a feeling you may not have seen it.
Are you saying this log isn't half as thick as the saw is long?
I get that some folks may have strong feelings one way or another. Maybe some nostalgia or maybe simply a preconceived notion that you'll try to justify no matter what you see. I get that, but at the same time, I couldn't care less about somebody's feelings when the facts are what they are.
I agree with your assessment of the laplander. I use the Corona saw. It is single direction cut, bowed to always cut on an edge of wood, and teeth big enough to not gum up for green wood working.
The Bahco blade is a dry wood blade, the Silky (Gerber, Corona, etc.) pruning saws are green wood blades. If I was going to cut green wood all day, I'd want one of the pull-to-cut saws without doubt. The Bahco is actually better, IMHO, for what it's intended as: A craft saw where you want fine controlled cuts. IMHO.
And yes, I've used those I mention and now use a Pole and Paddle buck saw with 24" Bahco dry wood blade for fire wood (if you're working with firewood you want dry wood, right?) and the Bahco folding saw for craftwork (its finer toothed drywood blade allows better control of small cuts IMHO). I have the peg-style blade for the P&P saw, but have only used it a very few times as I don't cut green wood and then store it for a year until it dries, I cut standing dead wood.
BUT: Use what you like best and no one will mind. Let others use what they like best, and you shouldn't mind.
I could definitely see the Bahco working for more detail oriented work considering the tooth pattern. I myself "work" with larger diameter living sumac trees so it's a Silky Bigboy 2000 for me. Since I love unreasonably sized cutting instruments, I want to get the Katanaboy at some point since it's able to be resharpened. For me that works. Good points you made though.
Honestly, a log _that_ thick, I'm going to reach for my hatchet; instead.
the bahco blade is fatter at the spine then slims down to the teeth the silky is slimmer at the spine and gets fatter towards the teeth so the blade does not get stuck when sawing
Maybe because the Bahco is a coated ade which might create excess drag? The other two are uncoated. I actually recommend your video every time a question about the Bahco comes up in a forum post, it's very comprehensive and we'll tested 👍🏻👍🏻
From what I can see in the video you are using wrong technique on the Laplander. You should use the same amount of force in both the pull and push stroke. It looks like you using the most force in only the pull stroke, like you are handling the other saws.
But I agree the Silky are a more effective saw but in the same time more brittle, the tipped snapped on my first outdoor trip.
+swedishpablo I use the pull action anly to start the cut because it is safer that way. You just can't bend or break the blade like that. After making the initial cut, it can be pushed safely too.
The bahco JT blade is a step-up from the laplander blade which in itself is a great rugged blade :)
Comparing a 20-30$ laplander to a 50-90$ silky is not exactly a fair comparison. Some saws are designed for pruning IE wet/fresh wood, and others are for firewood processing IE dry dead wood. That is an important factor that most people do not consider when buying a saw also.
You can get a Silky for around $30 as well www.amazon.com/Silky-Folding-Landscaping-GOMBOY-121-24/dp/B000CED1OG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472453737&sr=8-1&keywords=silky+saw
I don't know who's trying to sell you a Silky for $90 but, unless we're talking some kind of massive model, it looks like a ripo-ff to me.
I haven't noticed any advantage of the Bahco when cutting dead wood.
Simon's Discoveries In Australia everything is expensive, especially bushcraft and camping stuff. That is what the prices are like here.
Bahco Laplander was $26aud, all the silky saws including the smaller ones like the gomboy 210mm and 240mm are 69AUD and 88AUD respectively.
The biggest one is 280AUD
EDIT: Sorry for reference, the link you posted is 41.62AUD accounting for conversion. So while decent is still more expensive. Unfortunately amazon does not ship to Australia.
Fenrir It is more expensive. And I keep saying that in the video but in my opinion, it's worth it. On the other hand, you've got the Husqvarna saw (there is a folding version available), which cuts just as good as Silky, yet is even cheaper that the Bahco. At least in Europe.
For the *price, weight, and portability* the Bacho can't be beat and i think that's what the majority of people want and need in a handsaw. Could you get a better cutter? Sure, but you have to make some trade offs.
Keep in mind the intended role these tools are meant to fill.
Simon's Discoveries I stand corrected. I must have been looking at the wrong Silky.
Price for Silky is twice as big as for Bahco. Also, as was said already, Bahco is intended for cutting an arm-width dead wood. As for Silky - take a look at BigBoy, they've even got a 4 different blades aimed to work with different types of wood. So, "I believe the intended use of any saw is to cut wood as efficiently as possible" phrase is missing some details about the wood you're going to cut. Bahco processes deadwood easily, while being cheap and robust. It definitely doesn't suck.
P.S. I'm using Bahco at summer and BigBoy other times.
For the price, weight and portability, try Fiskars gardening saw. Beats Bahco imo in all respects.
The cutting edge of all Silky saws are thicker than the spine, thus... less binding.
why dont you saw from the top down? why from the side?
+mark trezza In many cases it is more natural and advantages position. Here you can see me holding the log with my foot, using my weight to stop it from bouncing. Had I tried to cut it horizontally, I would've had to waist energy to counteract every swing of the log with my other hand. It would also prevent me from using both hands for sawing. Sawing vertically also allows you to use your weight on the forward stroke, basically not using any force to push, and using the strength of your back and legs on the back stroke as oppose to using only your hand when cutting horizontally. Apart from all that, you need to remember that sawing isn't just about moving the saw back and forth. You also need to apply some downward pressure (pressing the saw teeth into the wood if you will). It is easier to do that with you entire body behind each stroke than with just your hand.
The log bouncing doesnt help with the fatigue of the user. If the log was wedged underneath then it would transfer more the saw energy into cutting rather then being lost in the log bouncing up and down with each stroke of the saw
I haven't tried the Husqvarna saw but I have four Silky saws, a few Corona and a couple of Bahco Laplanders. Obviously I bought the Bahco saws first, because had I bought the Silky saws first I wouldn't have bothered with anything else. Silky saws are simply vastly superior in cutting speed and power. Is the Bahco more durable? I dunno. It doesn't break since I never use it anymore but I have cut a crapload of wood with my Silky's and they all look like new.
Honestly he put an angle on huSqvarna and Silky around 45- 50 degre where the Bahco he use it in a 90 degree angle , thats not a fair test , every one that do a litle wood working know that if you put a cuting blade in a 90 degree angle it will be harder to saw thrue the wood ( sorry for spelling errors , but you know my point on this )
I feel like it makes no difference what angle I cut at. For me personally, the top-down way of cutting is just more natural and comfortable and I used it to cut with all the saws. Not sure where you saw me use different angles.
Husqvarna: ruclips.net/video/INjkGyHVf4g/видео.htmlm20s
Silky: ruclips.net/video/INjkGyHVf4g/видео.htmlm56s
Bahco: ruclips.net/video/INjkGyHVf4g/видео.htmlm53s
Ooo, krytyka czegoś co wszyscy lubią, głównie ze względu na to, że miało dobrą reklamę. To mi się podoba ;)
+Stary Traper Dzięki. Ja sam kupiłem tę piłkę bo polecali ją wszyscy. A potem spróbowałem innych...
Tak to bywa właśnie z opinią większości.
I am sold - Husqvarna for me. I assumed, as so many bushcrafters on RUclips praise the Bahco that it was the best, or the same as the Silky. I like the small Silky Gomboy because of it's size. I will see if Husqvarna makes a pocket sized model. If not, the Gomboy will work. Thanks for comparing these saws and saving me money and calories.
+csh 62 You're welcome :) They do have some folding saws. Not sure if it's exactly pocket size but they're small.
I bought a saw called the wicked tree pack. The handle is made from heavy aluminum with a rubber grip. It has a stainless steel locking pin. it's teeth are in a pretty aggressive pattern. comes with a sheath with plastic insert that you can place the saw in the open position and itgrips the bottom so that it doesn't come out until you pull it out.
Nice. I'll look it up. Thanks.
The Saw Does Not " SUCK " .! IT IS A GREAT , RELIABLE SAW. AND IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN USING DENTAL FLOSS TO CUT WOOD. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, MY STIHL CHAINSAW IS BETTER AT CUTTING WOOD !
If you really don't see the difference between comparing dental floos to a chainsaw, and comparing two folding saws with nearly identical specs, then I don't know what to tell you.
Simon's Discoveries Perhaps I Will Purchase A Silky .Of the saws in your video which stands up best to rugged overall use.
I'd have to say the silky. I know it is the most expensive one but really is the best too.
Simon's Discoveries Again Thank You For Your Reply. I Love All Outdoors. Today, Before Work.. In My Mail Was The bahco 9 inch.. I will try it.. post it.. and give my review... again however.. I put my trust in you Sir !
Why would you not saw paralel tp the ground so that gravity is prying the piece of wood apart making the saw slide through without getting pinched?
good information ,,, I do have a Bacho , but have never used it yet . Maybe that's a good thing . I might try to sale it and just up-grade to a better saw before i dirty the blade with Pine Sap . I do like the way the Silky Saw's handle locks into two different positions .
I see your point, but you are comparing a budget saw to a nice Japanese saw which costs exactly 3 times as much.
+Hector Plasmic Hi and thanks for watching. I don't mind what people use. I just disagree when they say the Bahco is better than the Silky or Husqvarna at anything. It's not. Even at cutting dead wood. It really is slower and more tiring. And I spent my money on a Bahco laplander because everyone was saying it was the best. It isn't. Pruning saws make much finer cuts precisely because the are pruning saws - intended for pruning and not damaging live trees. From my experience, it works just as well on dead wood.
***** Thanks. I suppose they would be better than folding saws for bigger projects like log cabin and such.
Simon's Discoveries How was a Laplander more expensive than the Silky?? Haha
Where did you hear that?
Simon's Discoveries the bahco isn’t made to be cutting through wood that big
I’ve used almost exclusively Fiskars’s products, as I’m from Finland and those are very easy to obtain, pretty much every store you can imagine has some Fiskars products. I’ve also used Husqvarna and Sandvik, since swedes also know how to make tools. Tried Bahco once. But back to Fiskars. I have Fiskars folding saw, which is meant for bush crafting. And I have Fiskars gardening saw (that’s how they market their pruning saws). Pruning saw has a bit longer blade, and instead folding in to the handle, it slides in. I believe it’s marketing name is Fiskars xtrack. And the pruning saw wins bush crafting saw hands down. Just like in your video. Next time I need a new saw for my treks, I definitely get pruning saw over any folding saw, no matter what brand. Like you said, those are made to cut fresh wood and if it does that well, then it cuts dry wood as well.
I believe the Bacho blade has the same thickness all over, and thats the main reason it stuck half way trough. A good cutting blade must be slightly thinner at the back/non cutting side, than the cutting side. Believe that is the case with Husqvarna and Silky.
Good review!
+andlir I think that is its design in deed. But it still has a kerf like it should. It's just that Silky and Husqvarna have a better one :)
Simon's Discoveries Think your right, good review
Very late to the party but bahco has saw blade for laplander that is similar to silky's, 396 JT. Another thing still is the fact that original laplander blade is general purpose design by the looks of it.
Agree with your opinion of the Bacho... imho, it's an over-rated tool.
I bought a Woodzig folding saw about 15 years ago. Used it literally hundreds of times. It's still cutting like new...
To jaką piłe do 70 zł według Ciebie najlepiej wybrać?
+ᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚWonszu Taka Husqvarna, tylko składana, była po 55 albo 65 zł w zeszłym roku. Jeśli nie musi być składana ale musi być tania, to taka Husqvarna jak tu też świetnie sobie poradzi. Kosztowała chyba 50 zł. Już nie pamiętam.
the Laplander tooth pattern is for dry/seasoned wood.
it makes cleaner cuts and is easier to start cuts.
it's highly regarded for crafting items and tools from wood.
of coarse a pruning saw is going to buck logs faster.
bahco for carpentry work/crafting items
pruning for harvesting.
Its easy to use the bahco to create a giant buck saw with a 30" blade then a pruning saw.
pruning saws also perform much better with green wood.
+Big Brown That's what it seems to do best. Thanks for watching.
The Bacho never makes cleaner cuts than the Silky. I use Silky in Arbor work all the time BECAUSE it make the cleanest cuts
Of course, its a pruning saw.
+Big Brown - Horses for Courses I guess. i didn't read you meant cleaner cuts in reference to dry wood as it was a seperate paragraph...but then...a super clean cut doesn't really matter with dead wood so much unless you are creating fine art, where the clean cut on living wood helps the tree recover. Much as a wound recovers much cleaner in our skin with a cut from a scalpel/razor edge.
why would anyone use that to cut that size log ?
Why not?
Which version is it of the Husqvarna? 240mm or 300mm? I wonder if it is the blade that is either 24 cm or 30 cm... It would then be 6 cm more which of cause could make a difference.
You used big teeth with the silky right?
I don't remember now but the Husqvarna was the longest saw. It was an oddball anyway, kind of thrown in for comparison since it's not a folding saw.
But the point is, you can easily find a saw that doesn't necessarily cost more or at least not much more, yet cuts much better without significantly increasing its size and weight.
But it still seems to be pretty portable as it comes with a sheath and can be carried around on the belt. I found a dealer in denmark but not sure if I should get the 24 or 30 cm.
I don't have it here but I'd say it was rather a 24 cm saw since it was a bit longer than then 21 cm long Silky.
I think your right I just got the 30 Cm plus 20 cm handle at a total of a little over 50 cm long... I would probably go with the 24 Cm had I known, this one seems a little big. But il give it a try - it just seems rather huge for sure compared to the bahco, like around 2,5 times bigger in size.
Hopefully il be happy with the extra size when I'm out sawing.
As long as it doesn't get in the way, you won't regret having a longer blade on a saw. It'll just go through things much faster. A folding saw that size would most likely be more portable but their handles have to be longer to accommodate the long blade, so the whole thing ends up weighing more.
....tooth patterns come into play...smaller, closer together and shorter, work on narrow diameters and finer work....larger and spaced teeth rip better, and allow the debris between cuts to not pack up in the cut, thereby not jamming the blade......once again, a specific tool for specific work...!
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Never mind which one is better, maybe those "special technics" you've mentioned are that you are cutting tree in vertical direction, not horizontally. Cutting verticaly to the ground, with a proper diameter branch, when both ends are supported, will couse any saw stuck in wood in most cases.
It's simple, heaving horizontal branch with one hanging end and cutting it horizontally from top to bottom, a weight of free end and gravity leave you more space in a cutting arrea making cutting easer. In case when both ends are supported, we also cut tree horizontally, but arround 1/3 from top, rest of the log from bottom to top because of the same principles: weight & gravity.
Another thing is adjusting teeth aside in a used saw.
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+LRdrive MotoRide Hi. Some people have already mentioned that but if that was the case why didn't the silky get stuck? Or the Husqvarna? I used them the same way as the Bahco.
+LRdrive MotoRide -7
I agree with you on the cutting position. That part was kinda dumb .
@@SimonsDiscoveries the Silky is superior and in a days run of sawing will double the output of the baco easily. Spent calories is the name of the game here.
Można wiedzieć dlaczego robisz filmy tylko po angielsku ?
+Tupt3k 1 Można. Bo od kilkunastu lat mieszkam w krajach anglojęzycznych, tu mam znajomych, tu uprawiam bushcraft i stąd pochodzi spora część mojego doświadczenia.
Interesting, where can you purchase the Husqvarna from for £10 I've looked but cheapest around £20 thanks for review
+ZipCode I bought that one in Poland and gave the estimated price in US dollars using the exchange rate at the time. The prices will probably differ in other countries. But even now you can get a folding Husqvarna for $20 www.amazon.com/EverSaw-8-0-Folding-Plastic-Survival/dp/B00ZSWM1VQ/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1456165392&sr=8-18-spons&keywords=husqvarna+pruning+saw&psc=1
Mine was a fixed blade and therefore cheaper.
If you turned the log or cut at different angles as you went it wouldnt get stuck
Yes it would.
Łuuu kontrowersyjny materiał! To przyciąga widzów. Tymbardziej, że gro ludzi uwielbia Laplandera.
Husqvarna nie jest składana, Silky jest za droga, pozostaje Laplander :D Tartaku nie otwieram, więc nadal zastanawiam się nad Bahco...
+Krul Mateusz Ale jest też składana Husqvarna. Prawie dokłądnie taka sama jak Silky.
Fully agree!
I got two Bahco Laplanders, but my older garden japanese pull saw outperforms them at any task :)
Slimmer blade due to only work on pulls on japanese style saws means you have to adopt the push a bit compared to Laplanders
Great video my friend. Thank you so much. It was very very helpfull for me, now I know what to buy. Don't pay attention to all the "advisors", you made your point very clear. Great work!
I live in southern Arizona and our main cooking firewood is Mesquite. And it's so hard and dense that the Bahco will fail, or you will. Very aggressive teeth are a must for me in the Arizona bush.
+Charles Larson I'm guessing you're talking about trees such as the desert ironwood which are so dense, they sink in water? That must be hard to cut :)
Simon's Discoveries Yes...Mesquite and Iron Wood are so hard that they will dull an ax or even a chain saw pretty quickly. But Mesquite is one of the finest woods for smoking or grilling. A Mesquite steak is number one, out here!! But one needs something like a bow saw with very deep teeth to harvest it.
Thanks for comparing & sharing. My observations are quite similar to yours...I always wondered why the Laplander was so praised all over the place... ATB Gereon
Where did you get that sweatshirt?
I love the video, very helpful! I wonder if Bahco sells replaceable blades with the same pull pattern as Silky. Would be great..
And here I am, refusing to carry an extra saw, because my victorinox outrider has one built in and technically "does the job".
Honestly, I'm not building a cabin in the woods, never really needed a big saw to begin with.
I not only think the Silky is the best say, it offers so many choices in size and teeth choice that, for me, there is no choice. I carry a Silky Pocket Boy as EDC, and it slips into my pocket easily. It cuts like any other saw twice its size. This alone would make me choose the Silky. But I've also found that larger Silky saws simply cut better than anything else I've tried. You can't beat it for green wood, or for dead wood, and the choice of teeth means you can, if you want to, switch to a tooth size that is made specifically for the type of wood you're cutting.
+James Ritchie I didn't realise that but seems like you can buy blades separately and switch them in your saw. Is that what you mean?
I have to agree because I have a Bahco, Gomboy 210, and a Kershaw (not the old bahco but a taiwan one). The Silky Gomboy out cuts them on green wood, and seems to do just as well on seasoned wood. The Silky is mostly metal but is heavier than the Bahco. The blade replacement for the Silky is almost as much as buying a new saw. So I agree with Simon. I would say if you use a saw a lot in your woods adventures better get the Silky or the Husqvarna he suggested, if you dont use one frequently then maybe the Bahco is fine.
+Dan Kress Thank you :)
Meant to say the newer Kershaw is no longer made by Bahco and is Taiwan produced, Sorry
A very convincing demonstration Simon, the Silky does it for me .... made my mind up which to buy .... cheers
Thank you and you're welcome ;)
Thanks for a fair review :)
Dzięki Panie Szymonie, już myślałem żeby kupić silky, a Husqvarna robi dobre piły😀. W niedzielę byłem na targu i kupiłem Piłę z szrankiem na ciągnięcie za 18zł firmy yousheng 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Bruh!
Is like comparing a BK7 to a Cheap affordable gerber knife
listen I used a lot of saws
And for a lighter option and one day trip the Laplander is good for simple tasks
Also for dry wood
The other ones are meant to a bigger tasks
I'm not gonna argue about this
You get the point
You can get a folding Husqvarna, which is almost identical size and weight-wise, for as little as the bahco and do any job easier and faster. Why would you buy a bahco then? The price difference between the bahco and silky isn't that great either. When I was getting them one was £22 and the other £35. At the moment the price difference is even less significant - bahco $23, silky $28 www.amazon.com/Silky-Folding-Landscaping-SUPER-119-21/dp/B0014CC31C/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1476855348&sr=8-8&keywords=silky+saw
www.amazon.com/Bahco-396-LAP-Laplander-Folding-9-Inch/dp/B0001IX7OW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476855386&sr=8-1&keywords=bahco+laplander
Well now you've done it. You are going to be kicked out the bushcraft club for sure!
Lol! My Bahco was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Until I tried a Silky. You are correct. There is no comparison.
There is no matter of personal preference here. The Silky is a superior tool.
+Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors You got me scared for a moment as I thought you were gonna kick me out from the facebook group lol Thanks.
+Blue Mountain Bushcraft and Outdoors Excommunication is certain Mike! LOL! But I also agree. I prefer the Corona myself, for precisely the same reasons.
Lol no. Silly saw is lacking in many ways.
"The Silky is a superior tool"....except when the blade snaps off because it is far less forgiving of user error than the Bahco. And, in a survival situation when one is cold, tired, and out of sorts; the potential for user error goes up. Even among skilled woodsmen or bushcrafters.
the bahco is the best saw for its price. I love the video and presentation, but comparing a $80 saw to a cheaper saw is a no brainer
Don't buy an $80 silky. It's a scam. The difference isn't that great.
www.amazon.com/Bahco-396-LAP-Laplander-Folding-9-Inch/dp/B0001IX7OW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486407927&sr=8-1&keywords=bahco+laplander
www.amazon.com/Silky-119-21-Professional-Folding-Landscaping/dp/B0014CC31C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486407945&sr=8-2&keywords=silky+210
But I guess if you try hard enough, you can always find a Bahco that is more expensive than silky
www.amazon.com/Bahco-LapLander-Folding-Sweden-Part396-LAP/dp/B01MQX9435/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1486408049&sr=8-16&keywords=bahco+laplander
well damn 2 completely different prices on the bahco. I got mine as a gift, but I do thank you for the silky link. $80 is a scam
Great vid as usual Simon.. I prefer the Bahco even if it's a little slower at wood cutting, I think the lightness and Sandvik SS are a great trade off, esp during hunting season it can be used to help process game without the worry of rust and immediate cleaning.
I tried looking up if the husqvarna has a SS or Carbon blade with no luck. Do you know if it's SS or carbon? Thanks.
+Christian Cork The Husqvarna is made from a hard chrome plated carbon steel.
Thanks for the reply brother. So it should have some rust protection with the chrome plating. Thanks again for the videos!
***** It should essentially be stainless as long as the coating lasts, I guess. Thanks for watching :)
+Simon's Discoveries I want to buy the Silky, but did your 210 have medium or large teeth? Thanks.
Jeff Meyers It says 'large' but I'm not sure what it refers to. It does have pretty big teeth for a folding saw, I must say.
I have the laplander that serves me well. I use it on 3-4" logs that are just a little to big to break between a couple trees. If I wanted to saw the kind of log you were sawing on I'd buy a $70 Agawa Canyon - BOREAL21 Folding Bow Saw before a Silky and be done with it. Just my humble opinion.
Hello good presentation and work spoke for it self and price made the point clear .thank you
Thanks for watching :)
Simon's Discoveries Simon I enjoy your videos and your trues invaluable. Thanks
Thank you. I'm glad you like the content.
Excellent comparison, Simon! I am in the market for a bushraft folding saw and have been debating between the Bahco and the Silky. It looks like the Silky wins! Thanks!
+Tom Pawlowski You're welcome. Too bad I'm not selling them ;) But then, I probably wouldn't be very trustworthy :)
Resurrecting an old video but if you put a small wedge in where you began your cut, the log wouldn't close up on the blade. without it, it will close on any blade. Go back and watch your own video and you can see the log close the kerf you are cutting. Keep the kerf cut open and the saw works.
I wouldn't say Bahco sucks. Although it really tends to stuck in high resin fresh wood. Just as it happened a couple of times when I was cutting with it yesterday all day long. But, as I see, you are comparing a medium teeth blade to a large teeth Silky, which is not 100% fair. In my opinion they just happened to have a different purpose. However I've got your point. Good vid mate.
Thank you. Be safe and have fun.
You've seriously got me thinking about replacing my Bacho with a Silky. I've never had an issue with it, but I've never really used it for cutting larger stock. It's plain to see the advantage of the Silky. Thanks!
+cmrsvids The silky is a bit pricy but I got it as a birthday present, which gave me the perfect opportunity to compare the two. How could I resist? :)
It looks like the tip of your silky broke off already. Also the diameter is far to large for those saws. Bigger log equals bigger saw. 3.5 to 4 inches is the max I would go with those saws. Furthermore for the length of the husqvarna axe you can get a much larger folding saw in your pack.
Nothing's broken there. This saw is just as good today as it was back then.
As Americans, we have trouble with finesse. Silky saws are designed to save the user calories. American men tend to try to pour as many calories as possible in to whatever chore we are doing... Letting the saw do the work is a difficult concept for many of us because American men tend to want >>Bigger, faster, stronger, brute force, more horse power, gung-ho, get 'er done! So, gaining a feel for a tool that needs some finesse is hard for us and therefore we have to call it "technique" and we have to change our natural behavior to operate it properly.
+betweenfiveandseven Ah, that's what it is then? Now I get it :) Thanks.
I’m not sure about that? But I see your point.
Good analysis, interesting psychology, understandable.
Thoroughly ridiculous extrapolation, but if it makes you feel smart go for it. There have been many (many) fine American tools and their appeal wasn't that they were big, ungainly and needed to be muscled so "American men" could get their macho on. Any theories on the psycho-social implications of the four-slice toaster you'd care to impart?
Americans are a bunch of pussies. You were MEN a hundred years ago...NOT any more. You can't even grill meat on a fire, for f%#ck sake..doing hamburger patties and vienas on a grill...:( and you call it a BBQ.... (Great video Simon !!!)
Says that teqnique doesn't matter and that the Laplander is designed to cut on both the push and the pull and then uses it so it only cuts on the pull, proving that technique does in fact matter. That's like leaving a car in reverse and complaining it doesn't work very well.
Well it should be obvious with just a little usage
VERY helpful! Thank you!
Thanks for watching.
Now there is another issue - you're cutting with Bahco as if it was a pull-cutting only. I think both are cool (I have both Bahco and Silky BigBoy), what I don't like about Bahco is that it's mostly a summer saw and you cannot cut yourself any big logs to make an overnight fire to sleeping next to. So, my choice for cold season is definitely Silky as it simply has twice as long blade as Bahco has.
Mate! Bacho is good for cardio, and for what I can see you really need it!
Just three years ago those Husqvarna saws could be had for 8 pounds (folding) and 10 pounds (straight)? Because they're more like 30 pounds now.
That was in Poland but even now, you can get something very similar in the US for $17 on Amazon. I suppose you'd have to look for US equivalents since everything european seems much more expensive over here.
i just bought the Bahco too.....great oh well
It works. Just not as fast as some other saws ;)
Yeah I've used a friends Bahco folder and was pretty underwhelmed all we had was wet dead oak for firewood and we quickly switched to my cheap as hell Bowsaw for that haha
Me uszy cierpią, gdy słyszą tą muzykę... Żeby to było chociaż MP3 256kb/s... Może uda ci się znaleźć jakieś fajne utwory w bibliotece YT?
+Krul Mateusz Ale to nie jest w złej jakości. Przynajmniej nie pamiętam, żeby było.
+Krul Mateusz Sprawdziłem. Faktycznie ma 32 kbps :) Możliwe, że niedługo będę miał swoją niepowtarzalną muzę. Już powstały pierwsze próbki.
To super.
OK... this is NOT a good comparison video... the only direct comparison is that they are saws... from where you are holding them up, you can see that the Tooth Profiles vary wildly between the saws, the Silky is a lot more aggressive, the Husky is the most aggressive, and the Laplander is the least aggressive, in terms of tooth length - which can effect the clearance of the kerf... Tooth shape - which can effect cut speed and whether the blade gets jammed... Tooth Per Inch\Centimetre - again, that effects cutting performance , etc... there is just so much more to discuss with the saws... and I know that Bahco produce replacement blades for the Laplander which have different Tooth Settings which has also not been discussed in this video... If this video sets out to give an impression of which saw in your possession you like to use, then yeah, it did just that... if this video set out to make a comparison between the saws and their effectiveness in use, then you did not lay out the playing field and rules, you just gave a biased account... not a fair video of comparison at all...
JT Blade - made specifically for cutting Live Wood - www.bahco.com/en-gb/p/spare-blade-saw-396-jt/ac-32-81-48-55-6c-3b-f0-c3-8d-0d-81-ef-ff-98-8c/ 396 product code shows it is meant for 396 series folding pruning saws, which is the category the Laplander falls in to...
HP Blade - Hard Point blade for use in Living Wood - www.bahco.com/en-gb/p/spare-blade-saw-396-hp/5b-3d-43-77-c7-0a-72-13-48-fa-32-6e-f3-c0-77-02/
JS Blade - hardpoint teeth and extra wide gullet for faster cutting in thicker green branches
- www.bahco.com/en-gb/p/laplander-knife/62-68-b4-14-f5-a2-05-a9-01-8e-ef-1c-f2-06-ee-e9/
396 with XT Blade - direct commercial variant of the Laplander - www.bahco.com/en-gb/p/foldable-pruning-saw-xt-toothing/46-3f-d8-b5-f4-d9-a4-79-6b-59-60-32-66-95-ed-71/
Laplander - www.bahco.com/en-gb/p/foldable-saw-xt-toothing-special-coating/0c-b7-a1-20-d3-57-b7-27-ac-1f-64-66-b1-95-dd-78/
Without going off and doing the same process with a Silky Saw I will stop there... I know that Silky also do replacement blades in different classes of cut, for different applications... you did sort of touch on it by saying that arboreal workers do use Silky because of it's performance, and that is why it performed better with the fresher wood... because it's blade was designed for that work... now go and fit the same type of blade to the Bahco and see how it performs... Then, maybe, you would have a great comparison video, and be making a valid point... ;o)
I wish people would stop acting, as if these two are saws are in the same price bracket. Here in the uk, the silky is more than twice the price. The bahco is cheap, durable and easy to maintain. The other saw isn’t even a folding saw, making it a totally different product.
I actually bought those in the UK. When 'twice the price' means £100 or £200 then yes, that's a bummer. But when we're talking £15 or £30 (I think they cost me about that much)... I don't know but it just doesn't seem so bad to me.
Hello. Just a little heads up on the Laplander saw it comes in 2 versions one with conventional push pull blade and one japanese style blade. From what i found on the net the conventional blade is called pg-72 and the japanese 396. And the 396 blade is an awsome blade,i have it on an orange bacho saw and it cuts branches of trees in seconds.
+Cyberdreg I've heard something about a different blade for that saw but didn't think it'd be so much more efficient. Need to try it. Thanks :)
The silky had a thinner back edge as compared to the cutting edge , but either way if any of these work regardless of effort , that would be a key factor naturally. I use Bahco.
dzieki. pozdr
+esej1 Również dziękuję i pozdrawiam :)
Good point.Different's obviously!
ja używam piłki składanej z Lidia i jestem zadowolony ale filmik bardzo mi śpię podoba gratulacje :)
+Bartosz Budny Dzięki. Niektóre tanie rzeczy naprawdę dają radę.
Ja też mam piłę z Lidla - zapewne nieznaną w Wielkiej Brytanii. :) To tania chińszczyzna. Po pół roku intensywnych prac w ogrodzie stępiła się. Wystarczy na okazjonalne wyjazdy w teren, do ciężkiej pracy raczej nie. Od 3 lat używam składanej piły Gardena 135 P (klonu Husquarna). Obecnie uważam, że ostrze jest jednak za krótkie.
I also have a sawl from Lidl - probably unknown in the UK. :) It's cheap Chinese. After half a year of intensive work in the garden, it dulled. Enough for occasional trips to the field, not for hard work. I have been using the Gardena 135 P folding saw (Husquarna maple) for 3 years. Now I think the blade is too short though.
The bahcos are not that cheap really, you can get a decent folding saw for peanuts on eBay.
You can also change the angle when cutting, you don't have to go at the same angle.
With the chainsaw it is the same , you change the angle when cutting
I agree with you. Bought the Bahco based upon reviews on RUclips. My first use was attempting to cut a fresh pine tree and it was exhausting work. Selling my new Bahco because it doesn't cut! Thanks for posting the truth.
+Bill Gosnell Thank you. Good to know it's not just me :)
The Opinel saw also works fairly well.
Haven't tried it but it's been on my wish list for a long time :)
I thought I was the only one who thought the Laplander saw sucked!. I don't watch the 101 channel cause it seems to be more a commercial for certain products than actual dirt time. I started watching your channel and you do a great job.. I look for the passion for what a person show and brother you have it, along with Reallybigmonkey1, shugemery (hes a nut like me), ugly tent and a few others. Keep it pure, keep it honest, keep it personal and you'll be fine.
+Sam Spaun Thank you. I appreciate it.
kolejny dobry film pozdrawiam
+michal stochel Dzięki. Ja również.
I was struck by your choice to saw from the side. It seems that this technique would inherently cause more binding than what I usually do, which is sawing from the top. I suspect the Bahco is "toothier" and more prone to binding as you show; just curious if the same phenomenon occurs when sawing from the top?
+Bentbrook What do you mean by 'sawing from the top'?
+Bentbrook Ah, I think I get it now. It just feels like I can control it better that way. But if there was any relationship between this and a saw binding or getting stuck, it should apply to all saws and not just to the Bahco.
+Simon's Discoveries I agree with you; I just haven't experienced notable binding with my Bahco and wondered if the angle affected the mechanics. I am curious about a Silky, but just ordered an LT Wright knife, so that will have to wait!
pozdrowienia z Polski :) dawaj wiecej fajnei sie Ciebie ogląda :)
+MrZeeCv Dzięki. Na pewno coś jeszcze wrzucę jutro.
He is comparing a 9" ince folding blade to a fixed 12" blade ...also the other folder to the laplander was bending non stop,,also they cant remove the blades when they snap or break
Yes they can.
I use wax on saw blades. Simple paste wax for wood or a home made bush craft wax. Pine will stick, resin, again alcohol, then wax. Protects from rust. Silky blade is thinner, different cut methods and blade options from bamboo up. Great saw. I wax it. Bachco is a SHTF pack emergency harder working saw. Great saw...I wax em all
Good video. Mirrors my experience. My first "BAHCO" was actually a Sandvik. This was before they became popular due to Ray Mears. Very hard to find here in the US. I think BAHCO bought them out though and the price dropped 10 or 15 bucks.. Awesome saw at that time. I've since bought several Laplanders and compared to what was available at the time, the BAHCOs were awesome. I used them for building hunting blinds and clearing shooting lanes when bowhunting. But without a doubt, the Silky saws are far better. I use them in the field and I have long telescoping models I use for trimming my trees. Well worth the money. I haven't tried the Husky yet.
Now that you mentioned, I remember using silkies for maintaining forest roads in Scotland. The ones with telescoping extensions. They were scary fast.