Same thing! I am always amazed that there are presently two dozen companies or so making AR pattern rifles trying to put each other out of business. The market is over saturated. Guys (gun makers) please set yourself apart and start making new production vintage and retro semi-autos. Please put a FN FNC on the market and a Baretta AR-70.
@@realtalk6195 prepreg carbon fiber, carbon barrel, all custom design, all custom CNC aluminum bonded to the prepreg carbon? Yeah, it will be AT LEAST $7k. I think $10k is more likely. And he said they’re built to order. This is ultimate Gucci. It will be absurdly expensive like Gucci. It’s badass though. I bet it’s 3.5lbs. Too bad the interviewer couldn’t think to ask a single relevant question.
When he said it was something we've never seen before I was fully expecting a novel or unqiue recoil systems etc. But it's just like you said, a carbon fibre AR with a forward charging handle. Buffer tube seems to be in the stock so really a carbon fibre AR-15.
It has a carbon fiber barrel. Let's give it the benefit of the doubt and save it is a sub MOA rifle. However after one or two mags it will be about 2 or 3 MOA until it cools down again. I made the mistake of putting a carbon barrel on one of my SPR builds and It was a waste of $500.
I'm willing to bet anyone who wants the action... these will never see the light of day. I hope I'm wrong, but shot show is notorious for never producing the actual product
It's the typical story with inventors. Only a small percent make it to the market. Often via someone who did not invent the item, but had cash to spend.
These weapons are all awesome, they just don’t do anything spectacularly better than an AR. Also at this point AR’s are so modular that it’s just an expected thing to have an aftermarket part for everything
Yeah, this just looks like a limited run fancy thing. They're expensive, not necessarily better than production guns or at least in fields that truly matter, but they turn heads because they're unique. That's why he was counting so much on telling it's very customisable and the comparison with cars I guess is fitting, because it's a way of seeing the market more like the automotive one. Doubt it'll reach mass production and I believe they also think that, it's more of a stretch goal presenters throw out there to see if there's a reaction.
Umm.. it will save you about 3lbs over a regular AR, while being stronger than anything out there. That's actually doing something pretty phenomenal over most every platform. That being said, they're going to price themselves out of the market. 😅 No ones going to pay what has to be $5k for a Carbon Monolithic AR. 3lbs or not.
I think there is a pretty solid market for it once they gear up for mass production. If they can be made cheap, quick, and light then lack of modularity isn't as big of an issue. Especially of there is suddenly a need to flash-produce millions of rifles to rearm a largely AK equipped rifles to 5.56 stanag-mag compatible carbines. Like, I don't know, maybe Ukraine or India Or maybe if Taiwan, Japan, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania suddenly need to mass mobilize if Ukraine doesn't manage to hold Russia back.
i feel like they probably already found ways to make it weigh less so they didnt want to mention it now and the numbers get out dated. or its not much lighter and imo is funny lookinig so its only worth it if its lighter than even the lightest ar builds.
@@T_D_B_ Yea HUGE FAIL. Bet its vaporware. I don't understand what problems they are solving outside of it possibly being a quarter of the weight of a traditional AR. Simplifying will not fly as a buffer tube assembly and a upper with a handguard is not complicated. I would actually argue you are creating more problems by locking everything into one piece.
This is why I love 3D printing guns, so many cool looking designs no at the range has ever seen. And they’re just as surprised when they feel how light they are and how low recoil.
Even though it is kinda SCAR looking. I don't know there is just something about it. I like it "Finally" someone adding that Sy-Fy futuristic aesthetics to the AR platform, bringing it closer to the 21 century that I have truly expected to see by now with firearms.
How do you let a guy shoot his schpeel about how amazing and premium his gun is but not ask about weight or even cycle the damn thing and learn about it's supposedly amazing internals?
That is one cool looking rifle! I'm guessing north of $5k may cover the deposit. Hopefully the buyers will take it to the range and shot it, not like Ferrari owners who park theirs in the living room and sell in 10 years with 500 miles on the odo.
I feel like this would've been a better project for 308. The AR-15 platform was basically just a stand-in design since Armalite didn't have the resources to design a whole new gun for a caliber that barely existed, so they just scaled down the AR-10. Please, look at the AR-18 if you're wanting to make a next-gen rifle in 5.56. It is more compact, reliable, and easy to manufacture.
Just show us how the barrel is held in, nothing else matter besides maybe the weight. I doubt it is m4 lightweight but it does look fun. Edit: for googling purposes this is called the carbonmax cm-1, there is a video of it shooting on RUclips.
Potentially is the key word here when the manufacturer brings 1 of 1. 2023-2024 to start production then 3 months to fill orders is a little risky for consumers.
That moment when you create a 556 AR that feels like a toy gun (weight) has the recoil of a 308 (no mass to mitigate recoil) has a lifespan of around 1000 rounds (heat and wear). Pressing X to doubt. If I am spending $10k+ on a rifle I'm getting a Barret or a Dillon Beast.
I can see the weight savings being a good thing. The material is expensive, until it reaches ubiquitous usage. The one thing that might be a really good update to the AR action is the integration of the buffer into the upper. Less points of failure. But what happens to fail safes? And is the integration actually solving a problem? Inthe end, this is the way to get the cost of carbon fiber tech reduced. Use it on more stuff, more raw material manufacturers will produce it, price goes down, everybody wins.
"Monolithic upper". The way he tries to sell that makes me think he doesn't understand one of the big reasons ARs are so popular (i.e. modularity). I'm sure these rifles will be cool and badass, but they won't be replacing or revolutionizing anything.
Lol exactly. When the upper part of the gun is literally 1 piece you just went backwards. Now their will be no changing or wver upgrading handguards. Will be proprietary stocks that might not be able to be changed. Totally eliminates modularity.
I would argue this guy is thinking in the footsteps of Eugene Stoner with this rifle concept, Stoner introduced aluminum to the firearms world with his famous AR concept because it was light and rigged, and it was what he was familiar with when he worked as a aircraft engineer, this man right here is doing something similar looking at materials from car design, carbon fiber… fantastic
Thank you for recognizing this. He is very passionate about trying something new. There will always be naysayers and the like but without people trying new ways of engineering, we wouldn't have better things. Ingenuity: Inventive skill or imagination; cleverness.
@@crow-wolf8362 I’d say the AR180 had some give and take for certain things, they made it for the time with cheaper manufacturing methods, while at the same time significantly more modular, I’d be curious of theoretically something of a similar concept, but with modern materials and manufacturing…
@@crow-wolf8362 the AR180 tho is a gas piston system with the piston on the top of the rifle, and this does change the rifle’s recoil pattern and weight because of the additional reciprocating mass on the top, this makes the recoil pattern more similar to the AK74 with more muzzle rise… funny enough also is made mostly of sheet metal and is also gas piston operated… I’m not going to call it better or worse, but it certainly is better at some things, and worse at others
I was going to say, how did you not ask how much it weighed. Who cares about carbon fiber if it's not reducing weight. Might as well cerekote unicorns and cupcake patterns on it. Unless it's under 5 lbs the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
@GasLamp Nation Well, for one, the same reason you see carbon fiber trim on cars. It looks cool and is expensive. But with enough FEA and proper engineering, it has the potential to be lighter than aluminum. But if it is not properly engineered and just overbuilt, it will probably be as heavy or heavier.
First came the stampings. Then came billets. Now we're on polymer moldings. But this, this thing will probably be the main placeholder between current manufacturing methods and the inevitable era of printed guns.
A monolithic upper is exactly the reason you can't swap your stock with what would appear to be many more options than this would be able to support based on the view of it we see here.
I have a Professional Ordnance Carbon 15 made in 2001. I special ordered it from the factory in Lake Havasu in AZ. They made even more cuts in the Carbon fiber handguard. It weighs only 4.4 pounds. It has a one piece rail from the rear of the receiver to the end of the handguards. You can put an optic anywhere along the rail. It also came with iron sights. The barrel is lightweight and fluted. My 16" carbine is very accurate and handy. Unfortunately they went bankrupt. Bushmaster bought them out. But only produced a few. Carbon 15s are available on the used market at reasonable prices. Not heavy duty. But very cool IMHO Cheers
CF is certainly an interesting choice since it's already a polymer. The biggest difference (imo) is the heat tolerance. A typical polymer you find on guns can withstand 300-500 degrees. Some molded carbon fiber can withstand over 6000 degrees Fahrenheit. The problem is resin or epoxy that bonds CF can melt below 500 Fahrenheit. Aka your CF just weakened under extended fire. CF also shrinks when heated. Take that info as you will with a precision rifle made of CF. Polymer is more likely to bend while some CF structures actually crack instead. Anyway, I don't know anything about this gun but it's just something to consider that well made carbon fiber is extremely durable yet fragile at the same time. I'd guess this gun weighs 5 lbs or so.
At least hes honest that there wont be many made. This solves the buffer tube problem that wasnt a problem until someone looked for a problem to solve. Unless you count the monolithic AR lowers already in production, they solved it.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus the number one question the new owners of Bushmaster get is "Are you bringing back the ACR?" So a lot of people like it. On the other hand some people say it was a heavy, expensive failure that deserves to stay dead.
@@crosisofborg5524 well if it's true carbon fiber it's lightweight but ok like in other platforms yes carbon fiber barrels is not new yes not widely known but in special ones and lots of research went into it and I'm not sure if Domino has done everything and yes it's well beyond just carbon fiber and oven but this looks like one scratch away from may ko paint job
I agree it'll be in the $7k-$10k price range for now only because how he's describing the manufacturing process, akin to the expensive exotic car's custom order process. I'm my opinion, I can see the price to be anywhere between $1,500-$2,500 when this gun's building process gets streamlined and simplified for mass production, similar to the AR-15, where someone could mix and match the parts according to style and/or materials, such as the strong, yet lightweight titanium for any part that needs strength like the rails for example, but also could be made from steel for someone that wants one, but can't afford the higher price of titanium, then maybe a high quality polymer instead of carbon fiber for someone that can't afford the carbon fiber. Make the rifle more affordable to the average (or less than average) person with the polymer, aluminum, and steel parts for the low end of the price range and on the high end of the price range, have the higher end parts made from titanium and carbon fiber, and anywhere in between, say titanium metal parts, but with the high quality polymer instead of carbon fiber or whatever someone prefers (have the parts fully customizable according to the materials of the parts). Also, make the charging handle non-reciprocating, and have it ambidextrous so it's fully customizable for anyone's preferences. The same goes with the trigger. Make it possible for anyone to swap out triggers for whatever purpose needed. For me personality, I would like the metal parts to be titanium, except the stainless steel barrel coated in something black, all the springs and whatever else metal parts being high quality spring steel, with carbon fiber as much as possible, all for the lightest gun possible, all the while being as strong or stronger than most rifles made today. I'm imagining an almost perfect gun with ideas from an AK47, AR-15, and an MP5. A rifle that's piston driven, strong, and reliable as an AK47, the versatility and accuracy of an AR-15 with different purposes and various parts for fully customizable ability, and the bolt cycling and the charging handle action from an MP5, and to have the capability of being ambidextrous for maximum customization... what you all think?
Taking 10 year old (or older) technologies and putting them all together, like no one else has clearly. It's cool looking, and innovative for as much as it can be considering my previous remark. I do hope to see more of this; I do like innovation even if it is using technologies and processes that have been around for quite some time.
Why would you put the charging handle on the same side as the ejection port? AK did it because it was made in an era when people reloaded with the trigger hand. But these days, shooting technique has developed enough thanks to the information age and idea sharing that we know reloading with the offhand to be optimal unless you're reloading from the prone. Putting the charging handle on the same side as the ejection port seems like and odd oversight - - a step back in design philosophy on a gun that is supposed to be a huge leap forward.
Our special forces should be running an SBR variant of something like this for clearing houses. After just 20-30 minutes of holding a rifle up while clearing can see your arms fatigued, but those guys can spend hours and hours, or even days on end with little sleep clearing buildings. Carbon fiber is strong and lightweight and would go a long way toward alleviating some of their fatigue.
Keep an eye on Great Lakes Firearms and Ammunition. We interviewed them and that's exactly what they are coming with later in the year. Video coming soon!
@@2ndAmendmentWholesale trying to find a semi-auto for the .300 Win Mag I got the Mk-22 deployment package / Mk-13 mod 5, Mk-39 EBR, M40A5…. Would like to send 230 grains of freedom seeds out to a mile….just one after another Semper USMC/Retired
Having worked with C/F on the Dreamchaser (shuttle replacement), I'm wondering how it's going to do with the heat if many rounds are fired. Also, C/F is very susceptible to fracturing if it gets scratched/gouged/chipped (notch sensitivity). So, to me, it's a "Gucci" A/R, a range toy, nothing more. Want something light but strong and durable? Use Ti and Magnesium. Edit: Oh, and dood, lose the Man-Bun/Douche-Knot....SRSLY...
@@gaslampnation735 they use resin not glue. Same stuff holding the layers of CF together. Wayyyy stronger. Still, titanium would be better because it doesn't transfer heat as well as aluminum.
With the possibility of 0 interchangeable parts, I don't see this going anywhere... However, I would like to try one out and see if it does anything better...
No statements about how easily accessible the firing chamber is to clear malfunctions, how hard it is to clean. As a gun owner, I want things to come apart in several locations for 3 reasons: 1 modifying, 2 fixing, 3 cleaning. Not putting down the rifle but I am just giving some food for thought add stating i as a self proclaimed smart gun buyer would need a lot more information and either test fire or at least see some videos of test firing before jumping into the buy
I'm confused what was the point of this? All I got is it's drastically more expensive it takes away alot of the advantages of the ar being the buffer tube is a separate piece meaning you can swap it out with a number of after market versions that are either shorter or offer other advantages add on pieces such as a folding stock adapter meaning the biggest complained about dissadvantage of the ar design is literally unfixable in this because it's monolithic along with that the rail section is also monolithic so you can't really change anything about it to either reduce weight change profile repair or anything So in short if it gets damaged you can't just pay 200 unscrew a few Allen bolts and put a new one on it requires an entirely new upper assemble which they speak about it as if it's the regulated part So far it seems like trying to reinvent the but instead of improving you made it worse then said we should be impressed because it's different than the original it basically just has every disadvantage of the ar without any advantages aside from maybe weight but if it's CF it probably isn't lighter by much All in all just seems like a failure at launch type situation
1. Would shipping to south africa be possible? 2. Would it be possible to ship it without the barrel (and use different ones) since it takes about a year to get a firearm licensed.
Cant wait for the forgotten weapons video on this!
I was thinking the exact same thing!
Same thing! I am always amazed that there are presently two dozen companies or so making AR pattern rifles trying to put each other out of business. The market is over saturated.
Guys (gun makers) please set yourself apart and start making new production vintage and retro semi-autos. Please put a FN FNC on the market and a Baretta AR-70.
Daaaaayyum
Doubt it will ever reach production.
Oooof. 🔥
When your standing next to a guy holding a carbon fiber ar ask how much it weighs lol
Lol
Seriously...
Literally should have been the first question on his mind
It varies depending upon build requirements. 5lbs is possible with the right combination of components and material choices.
I kept waiting...nope!
Looks gorgeous for a 6,000 AR!?
No really, it looks like a very much improved upon AR, and I want one!
So it's a forward charging carbon fiber AR for probably north of $10,000
Did he even ask if it's reciprocating?
@@m4rvinmartian I would assume no since it's designed around the MP5
I highly doubt it's anywhere near that price.
@@realtalk6195 prepreg carbon fiber, carbon barrel, all custom design, all custom CNC aluminum bonded to the prepreg carbon? Yeah, it will be AT LEAST $7k. I think $10k is more likely. And he said they’re built to order. This is ultimate Gucci. It will be absurdly expensive like Gucci. It’s badass though. I bet it’s 3.5lbs. Too bad the interviewer couldn’t think to ask a single relevant question.
When he said it was something we've never seen before I was fully expecting a novel or unqiue recoil systems etc. But it's just like you said, a carbon fibre AR with a forward charging handle. Buffer tube seems to be in the stock so really a carbon fibre AR-15.
I have the feeling that this will be expensive and lack luster.
It has a carbon fiber barrel. Let's give it the benefit of the doubt and save it is a sub MOA rifle. However after one or two mags it will be about 2 or 3 MOA until it cools down again. I made the mistake of putting a carbon barrel on one of my SPR builds and It was a waste of $500.
I dunno, it's pretty shiney.
I'm willing to bet anyone who wants the action... these will never see the light of day. I hope I'm wrong, but shot show is notorious for never producing the actual product
More money!
Wat are u talking about are you even in the gun world I've never heard anyone make this statement they always produce
@@mannygonzalez2868 you're being facetious, right?
It's the typical story with inventors. Only a small percent make it to the market. Often via someone who did not invent the item, but had cash to spend.
Well the idea of the monolithic upper is interesting and will probably become the norm. I dont see why it wouldnt.
These weapons are all awesome, they just don’t do anything spectacularly better than an AR.
Also at this point AR’s are so modular that it’s just an expected thing to have an aftermarket part for everything
Yeah, this just looks like a limited run fancy thing. They're expensive, not necessarily better than production guns or at least in fields that truly matter, but they turn heads because they're unique.
That's why he was counting so much on telling it's very customisable and the comparison with cars I guess is fitting, because it's a way of seeing the market more like the automotive one. Doubt it'll reach mass production and I believe they also think that, it's more of a stretch goal presenters throw out there to see if there's a reaction.
Umm.. it will save you about 3lbs over a regular AR, while being stronger than anything out there. That's actually doing something pretty phenomenal over most every platform. That being said, they're going to price themselves out of the market. 😅 No ones going to pay what has to be $5k for a Carbon Monolithic AR. 3lbs or not.
I think there is a pretty solid market for it once they gear up for mass production. If they can be made cheap, quick, and light then lack of modularity isn't as big of an issue. Especially of there is suddenly a need to flash-produce millions of rifles to rearm a largely AK equipped rifles to 5.56 stanag-mag compatible carbines. Like, I don't know, maybe Ukraine or India
Or maybe if Taiwan, Japan, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, or Lithuania suddenly need to mass mobilize if Ukraine doesn't manage to hold Russia back.
@@The_Chad_Davis how is it stronger? I'm no scientist but carbon fiber isnt as strong as aluminum or steel, correct?
they really dont do anything better than an AR. that is the sad part.
the problem with the bleeding edge term is its coined from it cutting you due to failures n QC issues.
I like that one! I'm stealing it!
@@unclebob540i3 learned it in tech :)
"If you're on the bleeding edge, your gonna bleed (money)"
No pain no gain
Also, one only bleeds AFTER one is cut.
Could already serve as a great prop for a sci-fi movie.
I welcome this if for no other reason than it will make my SCARs look like the affordable, budget options. :)
Same for my Tommy built TG36E
lmao! Get a budget pal!
"G14 Classified"...... That's good.
Rush Hour FTW 😂
Chinese food, no soul food here!!!
Wish they talked about the weight, I'm sure it's incredibly light.
Incredible they forgot to mention that as it’s very important. Odd.
i feel like they probably already found ways to make it weigh less so they didnt want to mention it now and the numbers get out dated. or its not much lighter and imo is funny lookinig so its only worth it if its lighter than even the lightest ar builds.
Thank you for the reply. Will get information out to the public as we receive it.
@@2ndAmendmentWholesale fail
@@T_D_B_ Yea HUGE FAIL. Bet its vaporware. I don't understand what problems they are solving outside of it possibly being a quarter of the weight of a traditional AR. Simplifying will not fly as a buffer tube assembly and a upper with a handguard is not complicated. I would actually argue you are creating more problems by locking everything into one piece.
This is why I love 3D printing guns, so many cool looking designs no at the range has ever seen. And they’re just as surprised when they feel how light they are and how low recoil.
Even though it is kinda SCAR looking. I don't know there is just something about it. I like it "Finally" someone adding that Sy-Fy futuristic aesthetics to the AR platform, bringing it closer to the 21 century that I have truly expected to see by now with firearms.
I was thinking it looks like a carbon ACR..
This gives me custom guitar vibes.
I expect a meme where Drake asks for a lightweight AR, shakes his head at the FW WWSD rifle, and goes with this bad boy...
I think you're right. This is closer to what Stoner would have done had this technology been available in the time he was developing the ARs.
The second question should be, "What's it taste like?" Because it looks delicious
Is it DI or gas piston system? How much does it weigh? 🤔 adjustable gas block? If it's super light, then what about recoil mitigation?
This is cool and it's nice to see real innovation in the market
Thanks for the fun edit and pleasant questions. I hope to share more soon. Wraithworks is doing great things.
What's the ballpark price going to be on the CM-1?
Very interesting. Move charging to the left side!
Leave it you right handed fuck!!! Haha
No
Could be ambidextrous
@@Danefrak But then how are we gonna slap it?
@@Danefrak no? Are you a southpaw?
How do you let a guy shoot his schpeel about how amazing and premium his gun is but not ask about weight or even cycle the damn thing and learn about it's supposedly amazing internals?
he did the HK slap tho.... y r u not throwing $ at him yet???
lol
Seems like, besides the components securing the barrel and the "rails" for the bolt, everything else internal is just AR components.
That is one cool looking rifle! I'm guessing north of $5k may cover the deposit. Hopefully the buyers will take it to the range and shot it, not like Ferrari owners who park theirs in the living room and sell in 10 years with 500 miles on the odo.
More like 15,000
@@justinbellio2285 probably, $5k will reserve your spot.
Hope it makes it to fruition.
“Hi, I’m Ian from forgotten weapons”
I feel like this would've been a better project for 308. The AR-15 platform was basically just a stand-in design since Armalite didn't have the resources to design a whole new gun for a caliber that barely existed, so they just scaled down the AR-10.
Please, look at the AR-18 if you're wanting to make a next-gen rifle in 5.56. It is more compact, reliable, and easy to manufacture.
Must acquire for a space gun build
The best future safe queen! Looks like a CCMG Dissent design, side charging, dual rod BCG, GORGEOUS!
Let me see a IV8888 meltdown test first.... Im thinking it will toast fast!
Just show us how the barrel is held in, nothing else matter besides maybe the weight. I doubt it is m4 lightweight but it does look fun.
Edit: for googling purposes this is called the carbonmax cm-1, there is a video of it shooting on RUclips.
Yeah. So what's the weight?
Demolition Ranch needs one of these
Potentially is the key word here when the manufacturer brings 1 of 1. 2023-2024 to start production then 3 months to fill orders is a little risky for consumers.
That moment when you create a 556 AR that feels like a toy gun (weight) has the recoil of a 308 (no mass to mitigate recoil) has a lifespan of around 1000 rounds (heat and wear). Pressing X to doubt. If I am spending $10k+ on a rifle I'm getting a Barret or a Dillon Beast.
The velocity of the bolt slamming back is responsible for more recoil compared to weight.
I thought the thumbnail was a screenshot for a new NS weapon for Planetside 2
I can see the weight savings being a good thing. The material is expensive, until it reaches ubiquitous usage. The one thing that might be a really good update to the AR action is the integration of the buffer into the upper. Less points of failure. But what happens to fail safes? And is the integration actually solving a problem? Inthe end, this is the way to get the cost of carbon fiber tech reduced. Use it on more stuff, more raw material manufacturers will produce it, price goes down, everybody wins.
Valid point. Time will certainly tell.
Until you realize that Carbon fiber corrodes aluminum and no one buys them.
"Monolithic upper". The way he tries to sell that makes me think he doesn't understand one of the big reasons ARs are so popular (i.e. modularity). I'm sure these rifles will be cool and badass, but they won't be replacing or revolutionizing anything.
Lol exactly. When the upper part of the gun is literally 1 piece you just went backwards. Now their will be no changing or wver upgrading handguards. Will be proprietary stocks that might not be able to be changed. Totally eliminates modularity.
Love the look of it! We'll see if it will materialize.
I would argue this guy is thinking in the footsteps of Eugene Stoner with this rifle concept, Stoner introduced aluminum to the firearms world with his famous AR concept because it was light and rigged, and it was what he was familiar with when he worked as a aircraft engineer, this man right here is doing something similar looking at materials from car design, carbon fiber… fantastic
Thank you for recognizing this. He is very passionate about trying something new. There will always be naysayers and the like but without people trying new ways of engineering, we wouldn't have better things. Ingenuity: Inventive skill or imagination; cleverness.
thats definitely accurate. personally, i wish they never deviated from the ar-180. i think its better than the ar15 personally.
@@crow-wolf8362 I’d say the AR180 had some give and take for certain things, they made it for the time with cheaper manufacturing methods, while at the same time significantly more modular, I’d be curious of theoretically something of a similar concept, but with modern materials and manufacturing…
@@crow-wolf8362 the AR180 tho is a gas piston system with the piston on the top of the rifle, and this does change the rifle’s recoil pattern and weight because of the additional reciprocating mass on the top, this makes the recoil pattern more similar to the AK74 with more muzzle rise… funny enough also is made mostly of sheet metal and is also gas piston operated… I’m not going to call it better or worse, but it certainly is better at some things, and worse at others
How do you take it apart if the buffer tube is fixed and the upper is monolithic?
Not as hard as it may seem. Will show once it is available.
I'm guessing from the butt, where he didn't want to disassemble it any farther.
You had me at "Ultra Highend"
Looks wicked!
How much is it and how much does it weigh?
Too much and not enough to justify the too much.
For cost, I think it is safe to say this is in the "if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it" range.
I was going to say, how did you not ask how much it weighed. Who cares about carbon fiber if it's not reducing weight. Might as well cerekote unicorns and cupcake patterns on it. Unless it's under 5 lbs the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
@GasLamp Nation Well, for one, the same reason you see carbon fiber trim on cars. It looks cool and is expensive. But with enough FEA and proper engineering, it has the potential to be lighter than aluminum. But if it is not properly engineered and just overbuilt, it will probably be as heavy or heavier.
First came the stampings. Then came billets. Now we're on polymer moldings. But this, this thing will probably be the main placeholder between current manufacturing methods and the inevitable era of printed guns.
Very cool and interesting. Hope it’s successful
A monolithic upper is exactly the reason you can't swap your stock with what would appear to be many more options than this would be able to support based on the view of it we see here.
Looks good! I don't think I've seen a forged carbon barrel on a semi automatic rifle. How does it cope up with the heat from a rapid fire?
Carbon fiber is used on disc brake rotors to dissipate heat.
@@GarraiEoin you mean ceramic?
"Fuckit, why not"
Wow this thing is born to be 3d print built !!!!
I have a Professional Ordnance Carbon 15 made in 2001. I special ordered it from the factory in Lake Havasu in AZ. They made even more cuts in the Carbon fiber handguard.
It weighs only 4.4 pounds. It has a one piece rail from the rear of the receiver to the end of the handguards. You can put an optic anywhere along the rail. It also came with iron sights. The barrel is lightweight and fluted.
My 16" carbine is very accurate and handy.
Unfortunately they went bankrupt.
Bushmaster bought them out. But only produced a few. Carbon 15s are available on the used market at reasonable prices.
Not heavy duty. But very cool IMHO
Cheers
I'll notified Ian to keep an eye out for this.
3:15 that laugh 😂
Looks slick I'd like to have that in my collection
Editing was on point!!! Got my subscription just for that
Now make it either have a folding stock or one of the old side folding Barrel so I can break down and you got yourself an actual Innovative product
This one uses a buffer tube. Maybe someday they will develop a bufferless option, too.
Oh hey, this is that company that teased the scorpion mag AR that literally everyone forgot about.
And is now available with all problems solved.
Here you go! ruclips.net/video/zNietGpSq2M/видео.html
@@2ndAmendmentWholesale I appreciate it, but I ended up building a PSA AR-V instead.
Beautiful AR, but I wouldn't say it's unlike anything seen before.
CF is certainly an interesting choice since it's already a polymer. The biggest difference (imo) is the heat tolerance.
A typical polymer you find on guns can withstand 300-500 degrees.
Some molded carbon fiber can withstand over 6000 degrees Fahrenheit. The problem is resin or epoxy that bonds CF can melt below 500 Fahrenheit. Aka your CF just weakened under extended fire. CF also shrinks when heated. Take that info as you will with a precision rifle made of CF.
Polymer is more likely to bend while some CF structures actually crack instead.
Anyway, I don't know anything about this gun but it's just something to consider that well made carbon fiber is extremely durable yet fragile at the same time. I'd guess this gun weighs 5 lbs or so.
The finish on the rails is a bit rough but I really like the idea so ar. I'm sure it'll be a bit more polished in time.
Looks awesome. It's nice to see something different for a change. I'm sure it's stupid expensive, but I hope it works out for them.
Now that is cool and innovative..
WWMD - What Would McLaren Do AR15.
At least hes honest that there wont be many made.
This solves the buffer tube problem that wasnt a problem until someone looked for a problem to solve. Unless you count the monolithic AR lowers already in production, they solved it.
This thing looks straight out of Perfect Dark.
Is basically a fancy acr
Exactly, but absolutely nothing like an ACR at all.
Is that a compliment, an insult, or both?
@@AverageJoe4063 If you can't tell, you might need to get your head checked.
@@InvidiousIgnoramus the number one question the new owners of Bushmaster get is "Are you bringing back the ACR?" So a lot of people like it.
On the other hand some people say it was a heavy, expensive failure that deserves to stay dead.
can't wait to see Iraqi vet 8888 do a meltdown on that🤣
Can't wait to know the weight.......and how it handles recoil
I bet there’s just a short buffer tube under that carbon. Interesting concept as a display piece, but functionally it’s an ultralight AR
very interesting, something to be said about this plan
I'd be really concerned about that super light rifle with a 308 chambering... Gonna be a snappy bitch.
It looks really cool but it's going to be way too expensive for the vast majority of us. I do love the looks of it and how lightweight it is.
But you have no idea how lightweight it is. You’re assuming.
@@crosisofborg5524 It's made from carbon fiber and I can see the way they were handling it that it was lightweight. Moron.
@@crosisofborg5524 well if it's true carbon fiber it's lightweight but ok like in other platforms yes carbon fiber barrels is not new yes not widely known but in special ones and lots of research went into it and I'm not sure if Domino has done everything and yes it's well beyond just carbon fiber and oven but this looks like one scratch away from may ko paint job
Oh boy, can't wait to bring my rifle to work to perform NDI because I set it against my safe too hard and the laminate delammed.
That’s one of the coolest guns I’ve ever seen!
I feel like my dad bitching about ARs being plastic guns, but the carbon fiber just looks like a paintball gun to me
anytime a salesman says 'bespoke', walk away
I agree it'll be in the $7k-$10k price range for now only because how he's describing the manufacturing process, akin to the expensive exotic car's custom order process. I'm my opinion, I can see the price to be anywhere between $1,500-$2,500 when this gun's building process gets streamlined and simplified for mass production, similar to the AR-15, where someone could mix and match the parts according to style and/or materials, such as the strong, yet lightweight titanium for any part that needs strength like the rails for example, but also could be made from steel for someone that wants one, but can't afford the higher price of titanium, then maybe a high quality polymer instead of carbon fiber for someone that can't afford the carbon fiber. Make the rifle more affordable to the average (or less than average) person with the polymer, aluminum, and steel parts for the low end of the price range and on the high end of the price range, have the higher end parts made from titanium and carbon fiber, and anywhere in between, say titanium metal parts, but with the high quality polymer instead of carbon fiber or whatever someone prefers (have the parts fully customizable according to the materials of the parts). Also, make the charging handle non-reciprocating, and have it ambidextrous so it's fully customizable for anyone's preferences. The same goes with the trigger. Make it possible for anyone to swap out triggers for whatever purpose needed.
For me personality, I would like the metal parts to be titanium, except the stainless steel barrel coated in something black, all the springs and whatever else metal parts being high quality spring steel, with carbon fiber as much as possible, all for the lightest gun possible, all the while being as strong or stronger than most rifles made today.
I'm imagining an almost perfect gun with ideas from an AK47, AR-15, and an MP5. A rifle that's piston driven, strong, and reliable as an AK47, the versatility and accuracy of an AR-15 with different purposes and various parts for fully customizable ability, and the bolt cycling and the charging handle action from an MP5, and to have the capability of being ambidextrous for maximum customization... what you all think?
Taking 10 year old (or older) technologies and putting them all together, like no one else has clearly. It's cool looking, and innovative for as much as it can be considering my previous remark. I do hope to see more of this; I do like innovation even if it is using technologies and processes that have been around for quite some time.
Why would you put the charging handle on the same side as the ejection port? AK did it because it was made in an era when people reloaded with the trigger hand. But these days, shooting technique has developed enough thanks to the information age and idea sharing that we know reloading with the offhand to be optimal unless you're reloading from the prone.
Putting the charging handle on the same side as the ejection port seems like and odd oversight - - a step back in design philosophy on a gun that is supposed to be a huge leap forward.
Our special forces should be running an SBR variant of something like this for clearing houses. After just 20-30 minutes of holding a rifle up while clearing can see your arms fatigued, but those guys can spend hours and hours, or even days on end with little sleep clearing buildings. Carbon fiber is strong and lightweight and would go a long way toward alleviating some of their fatigue.
Wish there was an AR style rifle in .300 Win Mag or .300 PRC that DONT have a lot of breaking parts, extraction issues and accuracy issues….
Keep an eye on Great Lakes Firearms and Ammunition. We interviewed them and that's exactly what they are coming with later in the year. Video coming soon!
@@2ndAmendmentWholesale trying to find a semi-auto for the .300 Win Mag
I got the Mk-22 deployment package / Mk-13 mod 5, Mk-39 EBR, M40A5….
Would like to send 230 grains of freedom seeds out to a mile….just one after another
Semper
USMC/Retired
You might just get what you are asking for very soon!
Don't mention the weight because less weight equals more felt recoil.
An adjustable gas block could help fine tune it to minimize that.
A good muzzle brake or suppressor, too.
If this doesn't get a military contract I don't know what does...
The goofy aaah sig spear with the Fisher Price baby’s first bullseye sight
Having worked with C/F on the Dreamchaser (shuttle replacement), I'm wondering how it's going to do with the heat if many rounds are fired. Also, C/F is very susceptible to fracturing if it gets scratched/gouged/chipped (notch sensitivity). So, to me, it's a "Gucci" A/R, a range toy, nothing more. Want something light but strong and durable? Use Ti and Magnesium. Edit: Oh, and dood, lose the Man-Bun/Douche-Knot....SRSLY...
Yep, man buns are for woke they/them type losers
but it's a bespoke, monolithic douche-knot
@@desktorp LOL
long haired man = triggered conservative
@@usergaming28 lol what planet did you come from?
Looks like the scar L and the scorpion evo had a baby
This is a cool new concept i like the some what style and looks of a hk 416 and mk18 mod1 bit this does give off super car vibes :)
I would be super skeptical of the bonds between the aluminum and carbon fiber. If I wanted a glue gun I would go to the craft store.
@@gaslampnation735 they use resin not glue. Same stuff holding the layers of CF together. Wayyyy stronger.
Still, titanium would be better because it doesn't transfer heat as well as aluminum.
"Laughs in MK18"
With the possibility of 0 interchangeable parts, I don't see this going anywhere... However, I would like to try one out and see if it does anything better...
No statements about how easily accessible the firing chamber is to clear malfunctions, how hard it is to clean. As a gun owner, I want things to come apart in several locations for 3 reasons: 1 modifying, 2 fixing, 3 cleaning.
Not putting down the rifle but I am just giving some food for thought add stating i as a self proclaimed smart gun buyer would need a lot more information and either test fire or at least see some videos of test firing before jumping into the buy
Fun stuff.
Can’t Wait!!!!
I'm confused what was the point of this? All I got is it's drastically more expensive it takes away alot of the advantages of the ar being the buffer tube is a separate piece meaning you can swap it out with a number of after market versions that are either shorter or offer other advantages add on pieces such as a folding stock adapter meaning the biggest complained about dissadvantage of the ar design is literally unfixable in this because it's monolithic along with that the rail section is also monolithic so you can't really change anything about it to either reduce weight change profile repair or anything
So in short if it gets damaged you can't just pay 200 unscrew a few Allen bolts and put a new one on it requires an entirely new upper assemble which they speak about it as if it's the regulated part
So far it seems like trying to reinvent the but instead of improving you made it worse then said we should be impressed because it's different than the original it basically just has every disadvantage of the ar without any advantages aside from maybe weight but if it's CF it probably isn't lighter by much
All in all just seems like a failure at launch type situation
It will be very much appreciated by all 3 people that will actually decide to buy one
I'd like a lightweight space gun, but other than the weight, I can't see how this is better than an AR
1. Would shipping to south africa be possible?
2. Would it be possible to ship it without the barrel (and use different ones) since it takes about a year to get a firearm licensed.
I hope I'm wrong, but this looks like another cutting edge firearm announced at shot, that years later still aren't actually out.
You know in the early 60s military came out with a brand new PLASTIC rifle that got a lot of men killed. Did you get your parts from Mattel too?
Still waiting on the warscorp. I see one in the back but can find no new info on.
Stay tuned! We made a video for it. Just haven't gotten it edited yet.
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This looks really cool would totally buy if it was under 2k. Someone should do carbon fiber glock frames.
At this point I don't really care about new concepts as much as accessability, where is the increase of production and reduction of cost?
I hope they get it to market cause it looks like an ar15 version I could buy on my budget of say 900 - 1000 dollars
pair that badboy up with one of them .223 Wylde PROOF engineering carbon fiber wrapped stainless steel barrels.