Excellent Video! I've had the ICON 2.5 stage 7 on my 2014 FJ Cruiser and I really love it. Coming from the sports cars world, I really like a thigh handling. ICON is tight but not uncomfortable at all. When off-roading, the faster you go, the smoother it becomes and I really like it.
Yeah, they've got a bad rap from newcomers to the offroad performance space that dont understand what they're getting into with a digressive setup. Same - loved my stage 8 on our Tacoma
@@ShockSurplus awesome. Do more videos on the ICON stuff for us. Explaining your experience with it when to run soft, when to run hard etc. I think that would be very nice. Cheers :)
@@ShockSurplus Hello and thanks for the wonderful explanatory vid, which I saw twice due to its rich contents. My query for PW RAM 2022. I carry constant load (Roof Tent plus gears, and Canopy) the bed of 500 to 600 lbs. I like the OEM height and don’t mind a bit more, say an inch. I was in contact with few reputable brands and would like to hear from your objective view and wide experience, about the options in the market in terms of setup and hi-perf shocks. My application is deep and soft sand (Empty Quarter) and care more of the performance a stability over the comfort (controlling body roll is highly crucial when negotiating and switching between steep sand dunes). Thanks in advance!
Phenomenal video and I'm glad you guys spend the time to get into some of the details. I think I have a lot of the same driving traits that you do, and really appreciate some of the opinions against King shocks since they are seen as the "Holy Grail" do-it-all shock. I bought my Fox 2.5 DSC from you guys a while back based on some of your recommendations and have been extremely happy. I'm back researching for another project and am happy to see you guys still make killer content and educate folks.
@@ShockSurplus I decided to spend my money with you guys because of your information and willingness to help with questions. That is very valuable in my book.
Looking at rebuilding a WJ & thinking a 2" or 3" kit for light overlanding. This will be my second WJ, but my 4th off-road vehicle. All had different kits but simular heights. I haven't really found my "perfect" shock or brand. I tend to run shocks till they fail or the vehicle does. Kinda hard to find your favorite when you shop for them every 4-5 years
Would love to see a comparison video between shocks for a gas Ram 2500 (or other HD gas trucks) that’s not a Power Wagon! Something that can assist with towing capabilities, maximize off road driving, and options in between to give you the best of both worlds.
I am new to my 4 door super crew, 2017 f150 4x4 with the 2.7 twin turbo v6. I have no idea what shocks to buy. One in the rear is leaking and the two in front are aftermarket. The current shocks are smooth on the road and have minimal roll but when I hit a small crack in the road , pothole, or typical trail rocks it is bone jarring. What I want is a nice stable feel on the road and through mountain curves and non jarring mild off road capabilities.I drive on sandy beaches, gravel roads, through curvy mountain roads and through potholly city roads a lot. I do not rock climb or go fast on rocky trails.
Eibach has been one of the smoothest options we've tested that maintains good handling. Fox 2.0 is really soft and smooth, but maybe a tad less stable on those mountain roads / highway joints. Most people are happy with Bilstein on that truck as well.
I would like to know your opinion on the Fox 2.5 coilover vs the OME BP-51. I’m an everyday driver of a 2023 TRD off-road Tacoma. I like to hit the trails every now and then and just want something that’s going to be able to handle all of that with comfort and without any rolling. Something that will last.
Are Eibachs progressive or digressive like the bilsteins. My 5100's are to stiff in the bottom of the travel especially on washboard type dirt and small potholes on the road
@@halseyknox I’ve ridden on Bilsteins but haven’t own them. So long term, idk, but my Eibachs felt better by comparison. A bit more of a plus ride. Idk what they are, but they’re an entry level kit. But I still think they ride better than the Bilsteins I’ve been on.
Any advice for the 2021-24 F150 Powerboost owners? The added weight of this powertrain throws a wrench into owners plans as we all seem to love the ride quality, but getting the lift without sacrificing the ride is a bit more complex as most information relates to the 2.7, 3.5, and 5.0 drivetrain. The Hybrid is approx 500# heavier and the info out there is hit or miss related to getting the lift, keeping the ride quality and improving the Offroad ride.
Actually from our testing they do not really act all that much different usually perform the same and will see similar lift with a little extra preload on any coilovers. Some circlip adjustable options like the Bilstein 6112s are limited in available adjustment to get more lift, but in most cases any coilover will not only have enough spring to give you within 1/2" of the maximum lift recommended for the lighter trucks but have more than sufficient dampening force for the additional weight. Although certainly notably heavier, most of that weight is not on the front end, and with the leaf springs in the back, a little extra preload on any front coilover you choose should be all you really need.
I want something better for washboard roads for my Dodge ram 4x4 7 inch lift The Bilstein 5100 are too stiff. What do you recommend no rock crawling, fishing hunting and some desert stuff.
no specific guide for the 96-02, but what we talk about in this video will give you a good idea anyways. An eibach is an eibach, a bilstein is a bilstein, etc - the brands stay pretty consistent across applications, meaning a Bilstein on your vehicle will be firmer than an Eibach, and Fox 2.0 will be softer than both. We'd be happy to dive into specifics though, text 213-433-3616 or email support@shocksurplus.com
Great Vid/info! But I had to push out some useless brain stuff to make room. I run Icons all around on a 2011 Tacoma... with TRD SC. Still makes me giggle when I get on it. Icons really help me control my truck with load.
@shocksurpluse. Does SDI have e-click shocks that will work on my JD Fab long travel 2nd gen Tacoma ? As for the universal e click reservoirs option for kings shocks will they gather data from the tacoma ecu as well or is that only available when buying the tacoma specific set of e click shocks ?
SDI has a tacoma specific module to pair with the universal ecliks, same for the 4runner - to collect that vehicle data in real time to provide to the eclik system. We've done a number of king+eclik setups now, and will work on any of King's 2.5 reservoir shocks.
Great video, I just picked up the eibach pro truck 2r for my ram. Was debating on the Carli king or fox system but didn't really have a need for those in my area so figured I'd try the eibach system.
just from our perspective after running eibach on 3 different vehicles, its not as sharp/harsh as a Bilstein, pretty good compliance that wont rattle you
@@timothystepniak498 I finally had the energy and decent enough weather to get it installed and man is it smooth! Totally different than stock, really responds to the road nicely and doesn't jerk you around.
I have a 2gen tacoma. I want to lift it 3", but i was told not to go over 2 5" if i dont want to worry about my cv boot. What kit would you recommend. I want to have comfort as its my daily driver
2008 Lexus GX470 with Hybrid front bumper adding 150lbs with winch and lights. I’m interested in Eibach pro truck series but there’s no info on the spring ratio. Can the kit support the additional weight??
it could support it yes, but the ride height will sag a bit out of the box. We can find the spring rate on the kit that comes with those coilovers, and possibly find a heavier rated spring to replace them with. Text us 213-433-3616 to dive into more details, and subscribe
Wish this video was made last year, i would have had a better understanding then, i learned hands on that i like a fox setup over bilstein (6112/5100). Ill be ordering the fox set up in a few months. Keep the videos comming
We ran Icon's stage 8 on our Tacoma, loved it. The CDCV shocks were great to play with, and the RXT leaf packs have been copied extensively by other companies at this point
Great videos as always! Can you please do a video specifically for Tundra and Sequoia shocks. Tying to do a build on a Sequoia and there is very little info!
I’ve got a 2006 F250 crew cab/long bed diesel that’s my daily driver/ tow rig. I want to get into overlanding to spend more time with my son who has his 2021 Tundra setup. I’m currently running a 2.5” leveling kit, 35” tires, and Bilstein 5100 (I think) shocks. What would be a better suited (if any) shock for my future plan for this truck? Thanks
5100s should actually do the job. This is one of those cases where the best thing you can do is take it out, and see what, if anything you would like improve about it.
@@ShockSurplus thanks for the quick response… BTW, my 5100’s came from y’all. Though after posting this question, I realized that I forgot to mention that I was planning to remove the leveling kit and install a 4” lift. But I don’t think that fact will make your suggestion any different. I’ll reach back out when I get it outfitted and tested.
So i do like a 5 mile dirt road for my daily drive It's not tough terrain is just dirt road. I got some bilstein but they are too stiff. What do u recommend for me for that terrain?
Hey, would love to see a video comparing the Fox 3.0, Bilstein 8100, and other similar shocks. Curious about how the top of the line “bolt on” shock options compare. Thanks! FWIW I’m looking at this through the lens of a wrangler
Technically you could but it would not really work all that well. The SDIs control flow into the reservoir and since these are an internal bypass the flow into the reservoir is less than what you would see with a traditional remote reservoir shock or coilover. So I am sure you would still see some benefit of the SDI reservoir but it would not be able to alter ride and handling as much as it would on something else.
We're still getting our feet wet with their offerings, our Ranger will be getting their kit, and working on a Wrangler JL with their systems currently. We were sad to leave it out of this conversation, but didn't want to talk about shocks we had little experience with.
From what I have read and personally experienced with my 5100's digressive valved shock like the 5100's start off stiffer at the bottom of the stroke but get stiffer as the stroke increases. That may be good for more aggressive higher speed hitting big bumps ect.
We've got a UCA comparison video here - ruclips.net/video/oiUUzcGA-aY/видео.html But if you still have questions, let us know - we've got a followup planned, just not sure on priority. Tinkerer's Adventures also has a really good video on UCAs
I'm having allot of trouble trying to find a adjustable shock for my 94 gmc yukon. Any tips on finding some ? Great video by the way. Very informative!!!!
The only real adjustable option that bolts right on is the Rancho RS9000XL which truthfully gets outperformed by a ton of non adjustable options. In the absence of high end adjustable options like a Fox or King, it is better to go with a good monotube like a Bilstein 4600 or 5100 Skyjacker M95 than a cheap adjustable shock.
The only coilovers ADS has currently for the new Tundras are their standard 2.5s and Bilstein has not officially released 8112s yet, however we are fairly confident they are in the works. We love ADS and they make some of our favorite shocks, but there is not a 2.5" body coilover on the market that can keep up with an 8112 due to their internal jounce and rebound stops. This allows them to be more plush in their normal ride zone and exponentially more supportive against bottoming and topping out. They also use some of the best seals on the market which pretty much outlast anything else out there. We have tons of sets running around and not a single one is even close to coming back for service. Our only complaints with them are that the standard parts do not have dampening adjusters and the compression jounce cut-offs can make a little noise on the road when you hit a big bump and might limit upward articulation in the rocks at low speed, however the new DSA+ versions that are slowly getting released include low speed and high speed compression as well as adjustment for the JCO engagement. This means you can back off the JCO on the street so it is quiet or when you need all the articulation you can get.
6100s are a killer value for just abut $100 a strut more for the front end. Nissans have a little funky geometry in regards to motion ratio on the front end, so the additional 0.6" of body and piston size does wonders for giving a little better ride, comfort, and support.
depends what kind of budget you're running with, typically a softer responding 2.5 shock, or an adjustable shock like the Dobinsons MRR or OME BP51 where you can adjust the compression/rebound for your load.
We have been running a Carli kit with Kings on our Power Wagon for awhile that has been killer. The truck spends most of the year in the Sierras so it sees a fair amount of cold weather as well. Ironically we actually preferred the out of the box tuning of the 2.5s used in their pintop kits over the 3.0s, but if you like something soft the 3.0 Dominator kits are like riding on air. Give us a holler when you are ready to pull the trigger or if you have any questions and we can definitely get you dialed in. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
no official release date, but we're pretty sure its in R&D. Would you pay $4k for a set? they're amazing shocks, probably the best out there, but may be overkill for a mid-travel setup.
@@ShockSurplus I would rather pay $4K and have the best, than pay 4-5K and get not as good kings and foxes. Nothing is overkill if it’s better and cheaper than the non overkill option. Bilstein is way too slow to release their stuff though. By the time they release it we will have a 2024 Tacoma, and by the time they release the new gen Taco version we might be dead.
I want to run 35’s w/ 2.5”-3” lift in the front and a stiffer rear in my 5.7L Rebel used mostly as a daily driver and weekend fire road overlander/camping mobile. Debating between the 6112 & Eibach coilover and something HD in the rear. What do you recommend? Looking to order asap.
The Bilstein would likely perform better with the additional weight out back , but if you are planning on running an aftermarket bumper in the future, you may want something with a universal coilover spring like the Eibach 2.0 coilovers use, so it will be easier to find a stiffer spring if need be. In the rear, I would definitely recommend a Dobinsons coil, however, they do have a lot of options, so it will really come down to how high you want it to sit and how much constant load you want to account for.
You mentioned Elka. I was looking for them. 2.5 reservoir. With your experience, what would be the comparison and would you recommend them? (Jeep Wrangler 4doors, washboards, Overland and a bit rock crawler)
They are great! We prefer how brands like Fox, King, or even Icon valve their shocks out of the box, but the Elkas are built great, generally fit great, and can be custom valved just like the other brands, so you can not go wrong, and if you do, you can tune them to be right.
Got fox2.0 setup on my arcticTruck custom built hilux IFS 37" Live way up north in Norway and We dont have muc æh problem with hot sunny days. So I have thought about oil viscosity as riding enduro ebike (downhill) some are using thinner oil i their suspension and shocks. What is your thougts around viscosity and e tra finetuning as the flow careteristics wil be different. Specialy in the winter or cold conditions Cant wait for your next educational videos. My bp51 setup is waiting in my cellar, and then im tuning my fox setup as a backup 👊
Wish I had found your channel before I went with my second set of rancho quick lifts. First set lasted mayyyybe 30k miles. Would have just spent more on gone with a better one that could be serviceable. Thanks for all the info!
Very informative video thanks for the comparative options and explainations.. I wonder why don't you try ironman shocks they perform just as good as fox 2.5 and would love to see your feedback on the same.
hi, im thinking to build a cantilever shock rear system for my 79 jeep cherokee chief, (wagoneer kind) so what would be your opinion about the shock??, im want to stay on budget 😁.
Damn, now I want my Fox 2.5 (non adjustable Bronco Wildtrack) to have the SDI remote reservoir, but I need a little stiffer spring (to sit a little taller) . That'll be a frankenmonster.
You could probably run the eibach lift springs on the hoss 3.0, but i dont think the SDI Eclik will adapt to the hoss 3.0 fox reservoirs since they're piggyback. Eclik reservoirs require a remote reservoir (hose) setup.
@@ShockSurplus would the sdi click reservoirs work with the ram 1500 fox 2.5 setup on all 4 corners? Really hating the dsc these days keeps locking up and making me demount to get the clickers free to clean etc
@@ShockSurplus would the sdi click reservoirs work with the ram 1500 fox 2.5 setup on all 4 corners? Really hating the dsc these days keeps locking up and making me demount to get the clickers free to clean etc
yeah thats the worst part of the service need, being down a vehicle. We're working on a set of demo shocks, but that's hard considering how many apps there are. What vehicle do you have? We sometimes have options to send so your vehicle isn't out of commission while a rebuild is happening
Great overview. You covered a lot of ground without bottoming / topping out ! Leaning towards the Fox 2.5's for the GX470. Rear Springs to replace airbags - what do you think ? Linear Medium or something else ?
We see that conversion a lot, definitely a no-brainer. The Fox 2.5 DSC are definitely a solid choice, and those can be setup with appropriate springs depending on future weight loadout, or if you're just running stock and want a plush ride on the daily drive with some occassional weekend dirt. Hit us up directly to dive into the details - support@shocksurplus.com
guys, can anybody give me advise: standard oem suspension on BMW X3 E83 (235/50/R18) is really hard, want to replace and go to softer comfortable option what would you recommend? Offroad is not big topic, mainly city, highway and offroad very rarely... thx in advance for your suggestions.
Not a ton of options really aimed at comfort for that particular application, but I would start with trying to run a comfort oriented tire with a little taller sidewall if you can get away with it, and then matching them to a good set of OE replacements like Bilstein B4s. I would also check to see if it has the sport suspension options, and if it does, you will see a lot softer more livable ride by switching to the struts and springs for a model with the standard suspension.
Super informative! Thank you! I’m looking for a suspension upgrade for my 21 Bronco, what would you recommend? Weekend off-roader. Also, what do you think of Carli tuned suspensions? Worth it or not?
Carli is awesome, we've got some reviews on this channel about their systems for the Ram. Bronco kits are still in R&D for them, but i imagine they'll release a 2.5 coilover set that will compete with anything King / Fox / Icon have out. For whats available now, so far our favorite has been the Icon 2.5 coilovers, which we just put some miles on. The Eibach 2.0 pro truck setup is also really nice, but started to lag when we threw on 37s. If you're sticking with 35s, its a daily, then the Eibach is our favorite so far www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-stage-2-coilover-kit-front-coilovers-rear-coilovers-e86-35-056-01-22
I doubt OME will ever make a kit specifically for 2G Sequoias but Dobibnsons has an MRR kit that we think rides nearly as well and certainly offers a little better handling
The short answer is no, but anything is possible with a welder and a grinder LOL That said the motorcycle industry gets much higher tech shocks than their four wheeled counterparts
probably no chance honestly, ARB barely touches the Ram full size trucks, let alone Ford (top seller in the US). If you want that kind of adjustability, the Fox 2.5 would be the best bet, depending on your y ear
Got a little confusing again when you said that when you talked about "speed" (fast or slow etc.) you would be referring to the "speed" of the shock's up or down shaft travel in inches per second (in./sec.). Then about half way through the video you seemed to be talking about the "speed" of the vehicle travel. Was a great video though. I suggest instead of "speed" for shock shaft travel that you use the word "rate" instead.
Thanks for the feedback, yeah i can see that contradiction. We mostly speak in shaft speeds to try and explain compression feel. Most drivers understand going too fast and hitting an unexpected hard obstacle that bottoms out the suspension. So yeah, probably may be confusing not to stay consistent
It depends on your goals, use cases and budget. There is undoubtedly no one best option for everybody, or a one size fits all suspension system by any means. Give the team a shout with a little more details about how much you want to spend, how you are using the Land Cruiser, and what your goals are for upgrading your suspension, and we can steer you in the right direction. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
Great video. Called a couple months ago. Told them what I was looking for. They suggested everything for what I was looking for. Very knowledgeable. Yet to purchase...life happens.
Actually they are remote reservoir you can upgrade them with SDI eClik Universal reservoirs www.shocksurplus.com/products/sdi-eclik-universal-reservoir-system
Been running 6112’s w/ 5160’s but I just ordered 8112’s. Do you think the 8112’s will be decent with the 5160’s until I order the 8100s. Are the 8100 bypass worth almost double the price without the bypass? Weekday daily drive weekend I enjoy going 35 to 50 on desert roads?
The bypasses are really for the high speed environments with medium to larger whoops (not trophy truck level though), and paired with external bumpstops to handle the really hard hits. The 8100 smooth body are more than adequate for your use, and most people's uses. They can still take the hard hits and rebound extremely well, especially in moderate-easy stuff
Old Man Emu BP51s can get you there with the rebound adjustment, probably the softest riding setup we've been on for a Toyota platform. www.shocksurplus.com/products/old-man-emu-bp-51-bypass-coilovers-rear-internal-bypass-shocks-set-for-2007-2020-toyota-tundra-4wd-w-0-3-lift A custom tuned set of Fox 2.5 and King 2.5s can also get you there, but not as adjustable as the BP51 in case you load up gear
We sure do! Probably the best value is this SPC Adjustable arm: www.shocksurplus.com/products/specialty-spc-adjustable-control-arm-kit-25680 But if you really like to push it hard off road and might need something even more heavy duty we recommend this Icon: www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-upper-control-arm-delta-joint-tubular-kit-98500dj
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man I really want to see you do a shock guide specific to the Tundra. like what ya did for 4runner and tacoma
I agree especially 1st gen tundra....common guys
I definitely agree with this, lots of Tundra owners lift their trucks or plan to
Yes please for the second gen
You guys have the best shock information videos out there. Thank you.
Excellent Video!
I've had the ICON 2.5 stage 7 on my 2014 FJ Cruiser and I really love it. Coming from the sports cars world, I really like a thigh handling. ICON is tight but not uncomfortable at all. When off-roading, the faster you go, the smoother it becomes and I really like it.
Yeah, they've got a bad rap from newcomers to the offroad performance space that dont understand what they're getting into with a digressive setup. Same - loved my stage 8 on our Tacoma
@@ShockSurplus awesome. Do more videos on the ICON stuff for us. Explaining your experience with it when to run soft, when to run hard etc. I think that would be very nice. Cheers :)
@@ShockSurplus
Hello and thanks for the wonderful explanatory vid, which I saw twice due to its rich contents.
My query for PW RAM 2022. I carry constant load (Roof Tent plus gears, and Canopy) the bed of 500 to 600 lbs. I like the OEM height and don’t mind a bit more, say an inch. I was in contact with few reputable brands and would like to hear from your objective view and wide experience, about the options in the market in terms of setup and hi-perf shocks. My application is deep and soft sand (Empty Quarter) and care more of the performance a stability over the comfort (controlling body roll is highly crucial when negotiating and switching between steep sand dunes). Thanks in advance!
Phenomenal video and I'm glad you guys spend the time to get into some of the details. I think I have a lot of the same driving traits that you do, and really appreciate some of the opinions against King shocks since they are seen as the "Holy Grail" do-it-all shock.
I bought my Fox 2.5 DSC from you guys a while back based on some of your recommendations and have been extremely happy. I'm back researching for another project and am happy to see you guys still make killer content and educate folks.
Great video. 👍 thanks for giving all that knowledge. It really helped me decide on what shock setup I want.
Nice, hopefully its in stock on our site, otherwise we'd love to make something happen - shocksurplus.com
Still debating on the lift for my build those these videos thanks!
what vehicle do you have? Any budget?
I love nerd detail like this.
Thanks.
You're welcome! Someone's gotta explain all this non-sense jargon that manufacturers diss out =P
@@ShockSurplus
I decided to spend my money with you guys because of your information and willingness to help with questions.
That is very valuable in my book.
Thank you for the awesome review, you cleared many doubts that I had
Great! glad we could help, feel free to text 213-433-3616 if you want any further help
I love these kind of comparison videos! You should do a similar one but for track day coilovers
Looking at rebuilding a WJ & thinking a 2" or 3" kit for light overlanding. This will be my second WJ, but my 4th off-road vehicle. All had different kits but simular heights. I haven't really found my "perfect" shock or brand. I tend to run shocks till they fail or the vehicle does. Kinda hard to find your favorite when you shop for them every 4-5 years
Would love to see a comparison video between shocks for a gas Ram 2500 (or other HD gas trucks) that’s not a Power Wagon! Something that can assist with towing capabilities, maximize off road driving, and options in between to give you the best of both worlds.
I am new to my 4 door super crew, 2017 f150 4x4 with the 2.7 twin turbo v6. I have no idea what shocks to buy. One in the rear is leaking and the two in front are aftermarket. The current shocks are smooth on the road and have minimal roll but when I hit a small crack in the road , pothole, or typical trail rocks it is bone jarring. What I want is a nice stable feel on the road and through mountain curves and non jarring mild off road capabilities.I drive on sandy beaches, gravel roads, through curvy mountain roads and through potholly city roads a lot. I do not rock climb or go fast on rocky trails.
Eibach has been one of the smoothest options we've tested that maintains good handling. Fox 2.0 is really soft and smooth, but maybe a tad less stable on those mountain roads / highway joints. Most people are happy with Bilstein on that truck as well.
I would like to know your opinion on the Fox 2.5 coilover vs the OME BP-51. I’m an everyday driver of a 2023 TRD off-road Tacoma. I like to hit the trails every now and then and just want something that’s going to be able to handle all of that with comfort and without any rolling. Something that will last.
I wasn't even aware of OME making these, will definitely look more into them after this!
They're so good! The aluminum body is just nice to feel and look at haha - rebound adjustment is where its at.
Eibachs are the best out the box coil-over set for your money.
I’m going two years on a set of Pro Truck 2.0s and they’re awesome.
Thanks for the feedback, we've been digging the Eibach setup as well on our own
Are Eibachs progressive or digressive like the bilsteins. My 5100's are to stiff in the bottom of the travel especially on washboard type dirt and small potholes on the road
@@halseyknox I’ve ridden on Bilsteins but haven’t own them. So long term, idk, but my Eibachs felt better by comparison. A bit more of a plus ride.
Idk what they are, but they’re an entry level kit. But I still think they ride better than the Bilsteins I’ve been on.
@@Pengowirr Yeah that is why I am going the eibach route...thanks for your input
Any advice for the 2021-24 F150 Powerboost owners? The added weight of this powertrain throws a wrench into owners plans as we all seem to love the ride quality, but getting the lift without sacrificing the ride is a bit more complex as most information relates to the 2.7, 3.5, and 5.0 drivetrain. The Hybrid is approx 500# heavier and the info out there is hit or miss related to getting the lift, keeping the ride quality and improving the Offroad ride.
Actually from our testing they do not really act all that much different usually perform the same and will see similar lift with a little extra preload on any coilovers. Some circlip adjustable options like the Bilstein 6112s are limited in available adjustment to get more lift, but in most cases any coilover will not only have enough spring to give you within 1/2" of the maximum lift recommended for the lighter trucks but have more than sufficient dampening force for the additional weight. Although certainly notably heavier, most of that weight is not on the front end, and with the leaf springs in the back, a little extra preload on any front coilover you choose should be all you really need.
Best option for 4Runner in AZ with occasional desert riding and frequent wash rides
I want something better for washboard roads for my Dodge ram 4x4 7 inch lift
The Bilstein 5100 are too stiff.
What do you recommend no rock crawling, fishing hunting and some desert stuff.
On a 7" lift, the options become limited. What year, and 1500 or 2500? Text us 213-433-3616 and we'd love to dive in
Hi, guys. I have a 02 4 Runner SR5. You started with 03. Have a guide that includes me?
Thanks.
no specific guide for the 96-02, but what we talk about in this video will give you a good idea anyways. An eibach is an eibach, a bilstein is a bilstein, etc - the brands stay pretty consistent across applications, meaning a Bilstein on your vehicle will be firmer than an Eibach, and Fox 2.0 will be softer than both.
We'd be happy to dive into specifics though, text 213-433-3616 or email support@shocksurplus.com
Great Vid/info! But I had to push out some useless brain stuff to make room. I run Icons all around on a 2011 Tacoma... with TRD SC. Still makes me giggle when I get on it. Icons really help me control my truck with load.
we also ran Icons on our Tacoma extensively, did really well for us
@shocksurpluse. Does SDI have e-click shocks that will work on my JD Fab long travel 2nd gen Tacoma ? As for the universal e click reservoirs option for kings shocks will they gather data from the tacoma ecu as well or is that only available when buying the tacoma specific set of e click shocks ?
SDI has a tacoma specific module to pair with the universal ecliks, same for the 4runner - to collect that vehicle data in real time to provide to the eclik system. We've done a number of king+eclik setups now, and will work on any of King's 2.5 reservoir shocks.
question are the emo BP51 shocks are design for high off road like the FOX 3.0 shocks
Great video, I just picked up the eibach pro truck 2r for my ram. Was debating on the Carli king or fox system but didn't really have a need for those in my area so figured I'd try the eibach system.
How have you liked the eibach system? How has it been for daily driving? How does it feel hitting big potholes or hitting tracks hard?
Love it, the new Eibach setups are really nice, we've been digging them on our own trucks through testing.
just from our perspective after running eibach on 3 different vehicles, its not as sharp/harsh as a Bilstein, pretty good compliance that wont rattle you
@@timothystepniak498 I haven't had a chance to get it on yet, should have it installed in the next couple weeks.
@@timothystepniak498 I finally had the energy and decent enough weather to get it installed and man is it smooth! Totally different than stock, really responds to the road nicely and doesn't jerk you around.
I have a 2gen tacoma. I want to lift it 3", but i was told not to go over 2
5" if i dont want to worry about my cv boot. What kit would you recommend. I want to have comfort as its my daily driver
Love your work.. real passion for this spesific area👊
We appreciate that!
2008 Lexus GX470 with Hybrid front bumper adding 150lbs with winch and lights.
I’m interested in Eibach pro truck series but there’s no info on the spring ratio.
Can the kit support the additional weight??
it could support it yes, but the ride height will sag a bit out of the box. We can find the spring rate on the kit that comes with those coilovers, and possibly find a heavier rated spring to replace them with. Text us 213-433-3616 to dive into more details, and subscribe
@ thanks. Went with Eibach stage II
So far, love the choice.
Wish this video was made last year, i would have had a better understanding then, i learned hands on that i like a fox setup over bilstein (6112/5100). Ill be ordering the fox set up in a few months. Keep the videos comming
The Fox 2.0 or 2.5?
Should have ran the 5160s on the rear for that set up not the 5100s
I have ICON stage 3 on the rear of my Tacoma. Considering stage 4 or 5 for the front.
We ran Icon's stage 8 on our Tacoma, loved it. The CDCV shocks were great to play with, and the RXT leaf packs have been copied extensively by other companies at this point
Great videos as always! Can you please do a video specifically for Tundra and Sequoia shocks. Tying to do a build on a Sequoia and there is very little info!
We'll note that down to get some more content out hopefully on both trucks. We don't have either in our fleet but we have family and friends that do.
Any chance you can do a video comparing the bilstein shocks that come stock on a Sasquatch bronco and an aftermarket bilstein/other shock?
We do have that video actually on this channel - ruclips.net/video/wmtFOC0_o5c/видео.html
@@ShockSurplus 🙏
You guys did a great job w/ this video!!
Glad you liked it!!
I’ve got a 2006 F250 crew cab/long bed diesel that’s my daily driver/ tow rig. I want to get into overlanding to spend more time with my son who has his 2021 Tundra setup. I’m currently running a 2.5” leveling kit, 35” tires, and Bilstein 5100 (I think) shocks. What would be a better suited (if any) shock for my future plan for this truck? Thanks
5100s should actually do the job. This is one of those cases where the best thing you can do is take it out, and see what, if anything you would like improve about it.
@@ShockSurplus thanks for the quick response… BTW, my 5100’s came from y’all. Though after posting this question, I realized that I forgot to mention that I was planning to remove the leveling kit and install a 4” lift. But I don’t think that fact will make your suggestion any different. I’ll reach back out when I get it outfitted and tested.
So i do like a 5 mile dirt road for my daily drive It's not tough terrain is just dirt road. I got some bilstein but they are too stiff. What do u recommend for me for that terrain?
Hey, would love to see a video comparing the Fox 3.0, Bilstein 8100, and other similar shocks. Curious about how the top of the line “bolt on” shock options compare. Thanks!
FWIW I’m looking at this through the lens of a wrangler
Coming soon! We have to work our way up to it, but pretty much all roads lead to Rome, and we are reaching the tops of our lists pretty quick.
i want to know about the MRR DOBINSONS
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Can you upfit a BP-51 w/the SDI system? If so, pros/cons?
Technically you could but it would not really work all that well. The SDIs control flow into the reservoir and since these are an internal bypass the flow into the reservoir is less than what you would see with a traditional remote reservoir shock or coilover. So I am sure you would still see some benefit of the SDI reservoir but it would not be able to alter ride and handling as much as it would on something else.
No mention of falcon?
We're still getting our feet wet with their offerings, our Ranger will be getting their kit, and working on a Wrangler JL with their systems currently. We were sad to leave it out of this conversation, but didn't want to talk about shocks we had little experience with.
Please review RadFlo. I would love to see this happen.
On the books for sure!
Hi, does having a digressive valve mean less dampening on slow rock climbing sort of off-roading?
From what I have read and personally experienced with my 5100's digressive valved shock like the 5100's start off stiffer at the bottom of the stroke but get stiffer as the stroke increases. That may be good for more aggressive higher speed hitting big bumps ect.
@halseyknox digressive start stiff and get softer with more stroke (thus the term digressive).
ALWAYS GOOD SEAN, GREAT VID! Can't wait to put those 8100/8112 on my 4runner. Can we do a UCA vid to match this one?
We've got a UCA comparison video here - ruclips.net/video/oiUUzcGA-aY/видео.html
But if you still have questions, let us know - we've got a followup planned, just not sure on priority. Tinkerer's Adventures also has a really good video on UCAs
I'm having allot of trouble trying to find a adjustable shock for my 94 gmc yukon. Any tips on finding some ? Great video by the way. Very informative!!!!
The only real adjustable option that bolts right on is the Rancho RS9000XL which truthfully gets outperformed by a ton of non adjustable options. In the absence of high end adjustable options like a Fox or King, it is better to go with a good monotube like a Bilstein 4600 or 5100 Skyjacker M95 than a cheap adjustable shock.
@@ShockSurplus thanks man I appreciate it
Is Eibach going to release part numbers for 3rd gen Frontier?
we dont see anything yet, nor any teases through their social media
Any talks about ADS ? I'm looking for feedbacks vs Bilstein 8112? Before installing on the 24 Tundra..
The only coilovers ADS has currently for the new Tundras are their standard 2.5s and Bilstein has not officially released 8112s yet, however we are fairly confident they are in the works. We love ADS and they make some of our favorite shocks, but there is not a 2.5" body coilover on the market that can keep up with an 8112 due to their internal jounce and rebound stops. This allows them to be more plush in their normal ride zone and exponentially more supportive against bottoming and topping out. They also use some of the best seals on the market which pretty much outlast anything else out there. We have tons of sets running around and not a single one is even close to coming back for service. Our only complaints with them are that the standard parts do not have dampening adjusters and the compression jounce cut-offs can make a little noise on the road when you hit a big bump and might limit upward articulation in the rocks at low speed, however the new DSA+ versions that are slowly getting released include low speed and high speed compression as well as adjustment for the JCO engagement. This means you can back off the JCO on the street so it is quiet or when you need all the articulation you can get.
I'm thinking Bilstein 5100s for my 2011 Titan SV, seems like the best bang for the buck.
6100s are a killer value for just abut $100 a strut more for the front end. Nissans have a little funky geometry in regards to motion ratio on the front end, so the additional 0.6" of body and piston size does wonders for giving a little better ride, comfort, and support.
What would be best for driving on soft beach sand?
depends what kind of budget you're running with, typically a softer responding 2.5 shock, or an adjustable shock like the Dobinsons MRR or OME BP51 where you can adjust the compression/rebound for your load.
@@ShockSurplus would the bilstein 6112/ 5160 be a good for that?
Best option for Ram 2500? High speed off-road And very rough roads, something that will work well in very cold weather as well if that matters
We have been running a Carli kit with Kings on our Power Wagon for awhile that has been killer. The truck spends most of the year in the Sierras so it sees a fair amount of cold weather as well. Ironically we actually preferred the out of the box tuning of the 2.5s used in their pintop kits over the 3.0s, but if you like something soft the 3.0 Dominator kits are like riding on air. Give us a holler when you are ready to pull the trigger or if you have any questions and we can definitely get you dialed in. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
8112 for Bronco availability? You mention in the video “not before 2023”. It’s almost mid 23
no official release date, but we're pretty sure its in R&D. Would you pay $4k for a set? they're amazing shocks, probably the best out there, but may be overkill for a mid-travel setup.
@@ShockSurplus I would rather pay $4K and have the best, than pay 4-5K and get not as good kings and foxes. Nothing is overkill if it’s better and cheaper than the non overkill option.
Bilstein is way too slow to release their stuff though. By the time they release it we will have a 2024 Tacoma, and by the time they release the new gen Taco version we might be dead.
I want to run 35’s w/ 2.5”-3” lift in the front and a stiffer rear in my 5.7L Rebel used mostly as a daily driver and weekend fire road overlander/camping mobile. Debating between the 6112 & Eibach coilover and something HD in the rear. What do you recommend? Looking to order asap.
The Bilstein would likely perform better with the additional weight out back , but if you are planning on running an aftermarket bumper in the future, you may want something with a universal coilover spring like the Eibach 2.0 coilovers use, so it will be easier to find a stiffer spring if need be. In the rear, I would definitely recommend a Dobinsons coil, however, they do have a lot of options, so it will really come down to how high you want it to sit and how much constant load you want to account for.
You mentioned Elka. I was looking for them. 2.5 reservoir. With your experience, what would be the comparison and would you recommend them? (Jeep Wrangler 4doors, washboards, Overland and a bit rock crawler)
They are great! We prefer how brands like Fox, King, or even Icon valve their shocks out of the box, but the Elkas are built great, generally fit great, and can be custom valved just like the other brands, so you can not go wrong, and if you do, you can tune them to be right.
Is Bilstein gunna have any sort of trade in program for those of us with the OG silver steel 8112s?
We would love to see them do this for sure!
@@ShockSurplus talk to them! Wish I had known they were gunna go to alum bodies & adjustable compression.
Got fox2.0 setup on my arcticTruck custom built hilux IFS 37"
Live way up north in Norway and We dont have muc æh problem with hot sunny days.
So I have thought about oil viscosity as riding enduro ebike (downhill) some are using thinner oil i their suspension and shocks.
What is your thougts around viscosity and e tra finetuning as the flow careteristics wil be different. Specialy in the winter or cold conditions
Cant wait for your next educational videos.
My bp51 setup is waiting in my cellar, and then im tuning my fox setup as a backup 👊
We dont have enough experience with different oils to help there, sorry. Would love to hear how the BP51 do up there in that environment and on 37s
Wish I had found your channel before I went with my second set of rancho quick lifts. First set lasted mayyyybe 30k miles. Would have just spent more on gone with a better one that could be serviceable. Thanks for all the info!
glad we could help, we'll be here for your next vehicle or set of shocks. Lots of options now, Eibach, Bilstein, Fox 2.0
Any experience with the eibach stage 2R ?
We do, we have a Ranger Eibach review, where we ran the reservoir and non-reservoir option back to back on the same vheicle, same day.
You referenced a video on the Icons tested on the bronco. Do you have a link to that video, as I couldn't find it? Thx
It’s coming super soon!
Any plans to cover the Dobsinson MRRs?
Yep, hopefully this year on one of our IFS trucks
I was told by my mechanic that Ikons are constantly in their shop because they leak their oil anyone have thoughts or experience on that?
we see some of that feedback as well. We're able to service those icon warranty issues, or prematurely failed shocks if/when they occur.
Very informative video thanks for the comparative options and explainations.. I wonder why don't you try ironman shocks they perform just as good as fox 2.5 and would love to see your feedback on the same.
we're trying out the ironman foam cell pro right now actually on an Xterra, pretty good so far
On the Old Man Emus, do the compression and rebound adjustment have separate controls or are they tied into one knob/adjuster?
They have a separate adjusters for compression and rebound located on the shock body.
hi, im thinking to build a cantilever shock rear system for my 79 jeep cherokee chief, (wagoneer kind) so what would be your opinion about the shock??, im want to stay on budget 😁.
good question, email seanbowman@shocksurplus.com and he can probably help
Damn, now I want my Fox 2.5 (non adjustable Bronco Wildtrack) to have the SDI remote reservoir, but I need a little stiffer spring (to sit a little taller) . That'll be a frankenmonster.
You could probably run the eibach lift springs on the hoss 3.0, but i dont think the SDI Eclik will adapt to the hoss 3.0 fox reservoirs since they're piggyback. Eclik reservoirs require a remote reservoir (hose) setup.
@@ShockSurplus would the sdi click reservoirs work with the ram 1500 fox 2.5 setup on all 4 corners? Really hating the dsc these days keeps locking up and making me demount to get the clickers free to clean etc
@@ShockSurplus would the sdi click reservoirs work with the ram 1500 fox 2.5 setup on all 4 corners? Really hating the dsc these days keeps locking up and making me demount to get the clickers free to clean etc
so, if a shock is able to be rebuilt then what is the average guy supposed to do while the vehicle is down for maintenance for say two weeks?
yeah thats the worst part of the service need, being down a vehicle. We're working on a set of demo shocks, but that's hard considering how many apps there are. What vehicle do you have? We sometimes have options to send so your vehicle isn't out of commission while a rebuild is happening
How much is an eclick upgrade for carli tuned 2.5 kings for my ram truck?
usually $3200, but we're doing $2600 for the month of August
Great overview. You covered a lot of ground without bottoming / topping out ! Leaning towards the Fox 2.5's for the GX470. Rear Springs to replace airbags - what do you think ? Linear Medium or something else ?
We see that conversion a lot, definitely a no-brainer. The Fox 2.5 DSC are definitely a solid choice, and those can be setup with appropriate springs depending on future weight loadout, or if you're just running stock and want a plush ride on the daily drive with some occassional weekend dirt. Hit us up directly to dive into the details - support@shocksurplus.com
guys, can anybody give me advise: standard oem suspension on BMW X3 E83 (235/50/R18) is really hard, want to replace and go to softer comfortable option what would you recommend? Offroad is not big topic, mainly city, highway and offroad very rarely... thx in advance for your suggestions.
Not a ton of options really aimed at comfort for that particular application, but I would start with trying to run a comfort oriented tire with a little taller sidewall if you can get away with it, and then matching them to a good set of OE replacements like Bilstein B4s. I would also check to see if it has the sport suspension options, and if it does, you will see a lot softer more livable ride by switching to the struts and springs for a model with the standard suspension.
@@ShockSurplus sport option available from eibach in combination with bilstein b12 , option for tires R17 235/55 or R17 215/60
Icon 2.5 vs Bilstein 6112s for a Ram 1500 daily driver that stays 90% on road?
Bilstein, less service requiement, both will feel pretty similar though.
Super informative! Thank you! I’m looking for a suspension upgrade for my 21 Bronco, what would you recommend? Weekend off-roader. Also, what do you think of Carli tuned suspensions? Worth it or not?
Carli is awesome, we've got some reviews on this channel about their systems for the Ram. Bronco kits are still in R&D for them, but i imagine they'll release a 2.5 coilover set that will compete with anything King / Fox / Icon have out.
For whats available now, so far our favorite has been the Icon 2.5 coilovers, which we just put some miles on. The Eibach 2.0 pro truck setup is also really nice, but started to lag when we threw on 37s. If you're sticking with 35s, its a daily, then the Eibach is our favorite so far
www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-stage-2-coilover-kit-front-coilovers-rear-coilovers-e86-35-056-01-22
Hi, I live in North east state which have heavily salted road during the winter, which shocks would you recommend？assuming I’m a weekend warrior.
The aluminum body is the best but most suspensions are coated to protect from the weather elements like Bilstein have a zinc coat.
can we get bp51's on 2nd gen sequoias?
I doubt OME will ever make a kit specifically for 2G Sequoias but Dobibnsons has an MRR kit that we think rides nearly as well and certainly offers a little better handling
Could these be added to a motorcycle
The short answer is no, but anything is possible with a welder and a grinder LOL That said the motorcycle industry gets much higher tech shocks than their four wheeled counterparts
Any chance BP51 for GM trucks?
probably no chance honestly, ARB barely touches the Ram full size trucks, let alone Ford (top seller in the US). If you want that kind of adjustability, the Fox 2.5 would be the best bet, depending on your y ear
Anyone have anything to say about the 6112 coilovers ????
We have a number of videos on the 6112s, lots to say
Got a little confusing again when you said that when you talked about "speed" (fast or slow etc.) you would be referring to the "speed" of the shock's up or down shaft travel in inches per second (in./sec.). Then about half way through the video you seemed to be talking about the "speed" of the vehicle travel. Was a great video though. I suggest instead of "speed" for shock shaft travel that you use the word "rate" instead.
Thanks for the feedback, yeah i can see that contradiction. We mostly speak in shaft speeds to try and explain compression feel. Most drivers understand going too fast and hitting an unexpected hard obstacle that bottoms out the suspension. So yeah, probably may be confusing not to stay consistent
What is best option for lc200 ?
It depends on your goals, use cases and budget. There is undoubtedly no one best option for everybody, or a one size fits all suspension system by any means. Give the team a shout with a little more details about how much you want to spend, how you are using the Land Cruiser, and what your goals are for upgrading your suspension, and we can steer you in the right direction. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
Great video. Called a couple months ago. Told them what I was looking for. They suggested everything for what I was looking for. Very knowledgeable. Yet to purchase...life happens.
We hear that, hope we can help when the time comes, good luck.
@@ShockSurplus i will be reaching out. I appreciate the professionalism and support.
Was really hoping to see the vertex stuff
haven't ridden on them
Man i have kings 2.5 but really want that electronics
Actually they are remote reservoir you can upgrade them with SDI eClik Universal reservoirs www.shocksurplus.com/products/sdi-eclik-universal-reservoir-system
Ordered some Bilstein 8112's and 8100's lets go
Been running 6112’s w/ 5160’s but I just ordered 8112’s. Do you think the 8112’s will be decent with the 5160’s until I order the 8100s.
Are the 8100 bypass worth almost double the price without the bypass?
Weekday daily drive weekend I enjoy going 35 to 50 on desert roads?
The bypasses are really for the high speed environments with medium to larger whoops (not trophy truck level though), and paired with external bumpstops to handle the really hard hits. The 8100 smooth body are more than adequate for your use, and most people's uses. They can still take the hard hits and rebound extremely well, especially in moderate-easy stuff
I just wish the sdis looked as good as the kings or the fox or even those 8112🤔
This day in age brands do need to make a bigger splash
Grab your whiskey lol Love that comment 😂👍✌️🇨🇦
these long vids take an appertif =P
Ironman 4x4?
We're in the process of testing and reviewing some Ironman products, but not in time for this video
I’m in between Fox 2.5 vs King 2.5 with my Metal Cloak GC 3.5😭😭😂😂
For the price, the off the shelf Fox 2.5 internal bypasses for the Wranglers are hard to beat, also half the lead time of Kings.
Dude, you need the chapters so we can more easily navigate the vids!
For the record, love what y'all do!
Hit the more button and they're right there lol
No ironman shocks😢
they dont have a product at the level of these on the table really
I want my Tundra to ride like a Cadillac.
Old Man Emu BP51s can get you there with the rebound adjustment, probably the softest riding setup we've been on for a Toyota platform.
www.shocksurplus.com/products/old-man-emu-bp-51-bypass-coilovers-rear-internal-bypass-shocks-set-for-2007-2020-toyota-tundra-4wd-w-0-3-lift
A custom tuned set of Fox 2.5 and King 2.5s can also get you there, but not as adjustable as the BP51 in case you load up gear
@@ShockSurplus Thanks for the recommendations!
I have a 2006 ford f150. I want to upgrade shocks from stock. Do I have to upgrade control arms if I go with bilstein 6112?
We sure do! Probably the best value is this SPC Adjustable arm: www.shocksurplus.com/products/specialty-spc-adjustable-control-arm-kit-25680
But if you really like to push it hard off road and might need something even more heavy duty we recommend this Icon: www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-upper-control-arm-delta-joint-tubular-kit-98500dj
I grabbed my Coffee Flavored Marijuana and settled on ICON.
dark roasted
ADS and I’m done! Haven’t touched them since I put them on 3 years ago🍻
nice, which vehicle?
@@ShockSurplus 2004 double cab