I’ve been running ICON’s for 6.5 years. I love them. I initially had an issue with the extra weight in the rear, causing my shocks to slam down on the bottom out. Scott listened to my issues and made a custom shim stack for me. They’re now perfect, combined with 800+ pound rear springs and 700 pound coilover springs.
Right on! Icon does a great job on their revalves especially for heavy stuff. Most shocks are tuned to suit a wide variety of drivers and rig set ups, so if you are way outside the range of what they are expecting of their users, you might need a little different tune or valving. But that is what makes these higher end shocks great. Although usually their off the shelf tunes are great, the fact you can get them valved for your specific needs really makes it worthwhile. Even if lets say you are less than thrilled with the way they ride or handle, most of the time they are just a tune away from being mint.
I run Fox 2.5 dsc on my Tundra and love to run it full soft. It leans like a trophy truck in the corners but it wears my tires out quicker possibly from weight shift,I’m not sure. But the front passenger tire wears quickly on the outside edge. So I keep it tighter on my slow speed adjuster and just leave my high speed bottomed out. Rides really nice. I had Accutune Off-road tune them and they really did a great job. I’ve done small jumps with it on accident and it handled it well. Just lands and doesn’t bounce. Very happy with them.
I run custom tuned 2.5” adjustable Kings from Filthy on my LC and custom tuned Fox 2.5” with DSCs on my GX from Accutune. The fox’s are very adjustable and give a very buttery ride on and off road, but I wouldn’t trust them in the dirt over 45 or in the freeway over 90. My HE LC is much heavier but the Kings make it crazy planted like a race car but without any harshness. Both handle very well crawling over obstacles, the foxes have just a wee bit more “Cadillac fade” coming off big stuff. Overall I’m happy with both setups; the Foxes will hide more from my butt but they get squirrelly more easily, the Kings hide things a bit less but have a lot more control. Icon is a no until offer true technical support, their current standard of care is to ship things back to them for servicing. Not everyone has an extra car they can use for a month+ while they wait for service. A digressive shim stack is fine for us non-racers as long as people buying them don’t think they can make them racers.
I've got the TRD Fox Shox on my Tundra TRD Pro and it is why I bought the truck. Compared to the Trail Boss/AT4, and the F-150 Tremor there was no comparison when test driving. Just the difference in daily driving the Fox made all the difference.
I’ve been in a few friends Tacoma’s running king/fox/icons and the Fox shocks outperformed them all. They were all very similar builds minus shocks. After falling in love with Fox, I upgraded my Tacoma to Fox 2.5’s And loved it. Now I’m running Fox 3.0 dsc in front and 3.5 triple bypasses in the rear of my Raptor. IMO, you can’t beat the ride quality On and off-road on a Fox setup. Sure, king is cheaper but Fox rides better.
@@ShockSurplus And if we don't end up in a hot war with Russia in the mean time they will likely make their projections or we are all dead and doesn't really matter at that point.
I just essentially ordered the Stage 2 icon lift for my 4th gen 4Runner(installed UCAs earlier this year when passenger ball joint failed, just ordered the rest of the stage 2 but with dual rate springs for hitch carrier), I've been trying to do as much research as I can to verify that I'm getting what I want. This video confirms what I've been hoping for. I ride a CBR 600rr sport bike, so I really enjoy tight response and feedback. I bought my 4R with Bilstein 5100s and 285/70/17 duratracs and had to install Airlift 1000 to prevent sagging when I haul my bike on a floating motorcycle hitch carrier. Without the bike though, the difference in handling after installed the airbags was night and day, the feeling of a stiffer suspension gave me so much more confidence in my ride. I'm hoping that Icon's Stage 2 kit with dual rate springs will give me that better response on road because I love blasting around the mountain roads in CO and enjoy taking scenic routes on long road trips. I haven't done much off road yet because I had a Bilstein 5100 front shock pop the set ring when I hit a pot hole in the city, which removed all confidence from them off road. Long story short, I'm looking for affirmation that Icon Stage 2 will provide a sportier, more responsive ride on road and inspire confidence off road on my 4th gen 4Runner.
The Dual rate rear coils are definitely a great choice and something we recommend switching to with their Icon kits like you did. They are much better under a load, however their more progressive nature also means they do not beat you up when unloaded and provide plenty of bottom out support when you want to boogie. Plus it is hard to beat Icons handling. Every time we test a set they always put a smile on our face when we throw our rigs around.
@@lhurst9550 sorry lol read your comment wrong. Thought you said when did king and icon get on the same level as fox. But that aside I’m so glad Icon I’m really getting in the game I feel like they are more competing with Fox in there daily driver type shocks. IMO the fox 2.0 are literally the worst shocks on earth ride god awlful all the time even at higher speeds on bumpy roads. Switched to bilstein 5100 and they’ve been better In every driving condition including higher speeds on bumpy dirt roads.
Maybe its just us, we weren't 'early adopters' per say but we had Icon on our Tacomas in 2015-2016 and they worked extremely well for us for 60k miles. They have widely available service kits for their shocks, a huge range of options, and materials just as good as Fox and King. They also develop full suspension systems for OE applications, so they've leaned into that more than professional racer support it seems, where Fox and King have advantage. But in terms of quality of materials, ride quality out of the box, serviceability - all on par with Fox and King (from our experience)
@@ShockSurplus When Icon was DRE, Kreg was one of the best tuners in the game. After he went to jail, and DRE became IVD, the tuning just wasnt as spot on.
Very interesting commentary on all three big name shocks. I personally run ICON's Stage 7 kit on my 2020 T4R and have loved it except for the rears. My 2.5 rears have both been rebuilt twice now due to pitting and this last time was pitting and a seal that was wearing the inner shaft. Their pitting is a constant problem due to their soft "hardened" shaft so if you run them you need both the shin guards and the boot guards to protect them and your $$$$ from rocks/debris being kicked up.
Definitely something we have seen as well. Although we almost never recommend traditional shock boots because they make life too hard on the wiper seals, hard shields or guards to protect your rear shafts are always a great idea. Any debris coming off the front tires has a pretty straight path to the rear shocks on 4th and 5th generation 4Runners so the extra protection is worth every penny regardless of the shock brand.
I’m sorry to say they all suffer from this….i ruined a king shock shaft one trip from this and both both rear shafts on one Baja trip on my brand new ADS shocks…..I now always run boots on the rears
Went back and forth with you guys for a while and so happy with your advice on my 2022 ram rebel. Especially happy with your discussions on modularity tuning and aftermarket support even though I used a local dealer to source my shocks due to serviceability and set up being a first time owner. Can't wait to come back to you guys for the other pieces we discussed seeing as those aren't supported by my local dealer. Much love.
@James Ullrich I'm based out in the dust free cool deserts of Arabia, specifically, Kuwait. It's my DD, but i work in construction and on a farm. Sometimes, that's out in the desert without paved roads, so I would say I do 60% paved 40% unpaved. The unpaved surfaces are packed sand, some loose sand, washboard ruts, and the local favorite of horrible asphalt with regular potholes that need stiff shaft resistance at speed. Don't do much rock crawling since we don't have rocks here. But that's normally done on a week-long trip down south to Oman, which is a two day drive. So I'd say I'm more a desert runner (taking sand packs at 65-100 km/h) that's also interested in overlanding to camping spots once im far enough from society. Everything's stock so far with the exception of the 4 corner shock system I went with, which is the 2.5 pes dsc. I couldn't find the 2-3" system up front so I went with the 2" lift front. Thankfully it's worked fine because our offices in the city are underground and I sit just an inch under the clearance there. If I had gone higher I probably wouldn't be able to explore larger tires over stock if I ever chose to do so. At the moment the bed has a decked system and will be adding a kb voodoo vrs with some gear lockers and slide out trays. Total constant load in the bed will then be +300lbs without anything loaded. Once you get gear in, that's a comfortable 500+ load. To minimize sag I will be upgrading the rear coils with Shock surplus when the bed racks installed and I have a better feel. So far I'd say daily driving is an upgrade over bilstein due to the softer settings available in low speed. To combat the potholes I shift the high speed up to about 4-5 clicks. So low speed is at 1-2 high speed 4-5. When I hit the rolls in the sand I toughen both up to 7 or so. I don't hit whoops but feel like I can lock the shocks all the way to handle those if I find the balls to whoop a daily driver 60k truck. Hahaha 😆 sorry for thelong response. Just hit 2000 km with this setup and it's been a treat figuring out which dsc setting works with which driving style and terrain. There's always more to learn and as I go on I feel like I'll continue going to shock surplus for sound unbiased advice.
@@teksirykassir4014 I appreciate the longer description. I'm just getting into this and it helps understand what you're using your rig for to formulate my options.
Icon has been around for quite a while, up there with King and Fox as a domestic manufacturer, used to be known as Donahoe Racing before some legal issues.
Here's another perspective that may have been mentioned on another one of your videos. Digressive shocks keep you off of the bump stops when you have less-than-ideal wheel travel such as with Toyota IFS. As you go to longer travel, the need for digressive goes down because its easier to stay away from the max extended/compressed lengths of the shock. But, going digressive with longer travel would add the typical added benefit of digressive shocks- better handling on paved roads.
Yep great point, that's kind of what we mean by 'these are all aiming for the same goal of mid-speed support' meaning mid-shaft speeds, and leaving the high shaft speeds up to bumpstops.
Sean you do such an awesome job with these reviews. I’m a recent customer and wanted to give kuddos to Steve who recently took care of me with some needed products and even matched pricing to a lower price from a competitor. Sone of your other staff was unfortunately not as great specially when it came to returning a part. It would be a shame for a customer to get a bad experience with some of your staff that didn’t seem to understand the importance of minimal manners and friendliness. Having said that I still would recommend you as you have great fair prices and fast shipping. Keep up the good work!
I've tried them all, spent waaaay too much money and in the end you just can't beat a bilstein shock...... they have been in the business much longer than any other performance shock on the market and their ride quality in all terrains is spot on.... good luck on your endeavors
which bilstein shock specifically on what vehicle? Bilstein doesn't have a 2.5in shock for platforms like the F150, Silverado, and many others - whereas these 3 brands do. If you're talking a 2in shock, that's a different conversation than what's ecompassed here.
This is the best video I have found explaining the difference between road feel and off-road feel with various brands and styles of shock assemblies. I didn't realize that the spring rates had so little to do with it. I would be curious to know how progressive rate springs can factor in though since that logically seems like it should be the best of all Worlds, I am assuming. They are surprisingly rare. I personally have seen poor quality with Fox (perch studs rounding out and rust on F150 Roush 2.0) and I would like the softest ride possible without worrying about body roll on-road so King it is! Admittedly Fox is the only one of the 3 I have first hand experience with though. Just soured on them a bit.
There are little to no progressive coil springs used on coilovers as a lot of time the stroke length is too short. Most of the time, if a coilover has enough stroke length for a progressive spring to make sense, they will run a dual spring setup. With that said on set ups where the shock is separate of the spring, a progressive or multi rate coil definitely is beneficial for all of these brands. In fact most of the coil and leaf springs Icon makes to pair with their shocks are progressive. All three of these brands use the same level of hardware for the most part so if you had an issue with the Roush Spec Fox 2.0s, it would be just as likely to happen on other parts, but I also would not use those as a barrier for reference either. The parts Fox sells directly are very different from what is private labeled by Ford or Roush and neither Icon nor King have a comparable option near the same price point. In fact, based on what you want Fox 2.5s would be the better choice of all of the other options. If you want the softest ride possible without worrying about body roll, your best bet would probably be a Fox with dual speed compression adjusters since you can tune ride and handling separately from each other. The Kings have the most sway of the three and have a "mid-speed" adjuster, meaning you have to sacrifice ride comfort to reduce unwanted body motions. So you effectively end up having to choose between it riding well or handling predictably.
Great breakdown! I ran Fox on my Fj and had them tuned a litter stiffer. Handled better than stock with 3" lift and was great offroad. Little stiff on rough roads, but as you say faster was better :)
I have a 2015 F-150 4WD V8 with a fab4 premium front bumper fitted with a Warn Zeon 12 winch, 2nd battery, air compressor and will soon be replacing the stock aluminum bed with a stanless flatbed and smartcap XL ( the smartcap bed replacement system). Right now it's my main vehicle but as i finish the build it will become my dedicated farm truck for my 100 acres. I've had my eye on the ICONs and from what you said about heavier loadouts it sounds like that's the right direction for me to go. Thanks for the video.
the Icons will do great handling the heavier loads for sure. Fox and King can certainly get it done, Fox would also work from our experience out of the Box, especially with DSC adjusters.
I have a full king shock suspension which I paid 7500$ for😅..I drive a 5th gen 4runner offroad premium...I live in Washington state.. it rains often here.. I use my rig for a daily driver and mostly overlanding and light to moderate offroading in some of the orv parks in my area.. The king shocks I can say.. helps my rig literally handle like my Mercedes suv while road driving.. offroad it's a beast.. However I have recently found after having my system for 4 years my suspension has started to squeak very loudly.. 4 wheel parts shop has told me that because of Washington having such a damp climate.. king suspensions usually end up having this issue. Sadly I think I'm going to move on to another brand suspension.. I have heard from many folks that icon is a pretty decent brand. Especially for what I do.. :)
Gotta replace the spherical bearings, stock bolt are tapered which allows a lot of play where the shock connects to the LCA. Check out 303 shock services rebuild kit. The squeaking went away completely after I replaced the spherical bearings and bolts
Really awesome video! I'm finally upgrading the suspension on my 14' Tundra Crew Max. My question is, If i'm planning on buying the Stage 4 icon kit, is there anything I need to add/have adjusted when i get them installed? I off-road fairly often. Nothing overly intense but I use my truck as a truck haha. 70/30 Road/OR. I don't tow and do not have a camper shell. I'm getting the Icon UCA as well. I wIll be running the icon Rebound wheels and will more than likely be running 285/75/r17 Ko3's
Really helpful video. I've recently started researching replacement shocks for my 2014 SVT Raptor. I have been leaning towasrd Fox 3.0. Like you said in the video, there are so many fans, bias, etc. on forums and social media.
Have heard a ton of great things on all brands in the 3.0 range for the Raptors, we've sold quite a few Icon 3.0s with flawless feedback. www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-1-3-suspension-system-stage-1-performance-2010-2014-ford-f150-svt-raptor-4wd-w-1-3-lift-k93051
Ive had Icons for 5yrs on a ram 1500 with custom valving. The issue I have for a daily driver is that im rebuilding they every year. Not happy with that.
High performance dampers whether they are from Fox, King, or Icon will need regular service. Options like the Bilsteins and Dobinsons will last longer, but likely will not offer the same level of all out performance.
4:36 I'm damn near illiterate when it comes to suspension components, but why would the RAM have lower weight springs (450lbs) compared to the smaller, lighter Tacoma with a 600lbs springs?
Que buena presentación de amortiguadores, te has ganado una suscripción. Tengo una pregunta, estos amortiguadores (coil overs) ¿se puede instalar para una tacoma 2008 4x2 ?
Siempre que tenga ruedas de 6 orejetas y no de 5 orejetas, las tres marcas tienen múltiples opciones disponibles. As long as it has 6 lug wheels and not 5 lugs, all three brands have multiple options available.
I'm buying a Toyota Tacoma soon and I'm interested in What would be the best Shock to purchase mid to high-end suspension setups w/ UCA's. I want to do overlanding with minor jumps/hitting whoops and rock crawling. I'm looking to run 33s with my build not looking to run 35s at all in the future. I've been looking at emu bp51s but I'd like to know if Icon or Kings would be the better choice. Any feedback would be absolutely amazing as I'm just starting to learn about Overlanding + suspension ect… 😁
Great video! Have some questions for anyone to answer. I have a 2020 F-150 XLT 4x4 with an Eibach pro truck stage one kit. 2.75” lift from stock in the front. Rides way too stiff and maxed out angles. I’m wanting to go with a stage 2-3 kit. I was going to go icon but then heard some not great things from a guy I know who rebuilds shocks etc for a living and is very successful. I heard pre mature leaking and the digressive tuning isn’t that great for everyday driving. So I’m kinda leaning towards fox and king. Want a 2.5 reservoir shock set up. 75% street driving with the rest a mix of off roading and slowly getting into over landing. Not sure how heavy I will end up going but I don’t want to go that heavy.
We rebuild all of those shocks too and we will say the Icon hate is certainly unfounded to a degree. In reality a Fox or King really does not last much longer or need service more often. I think the issue has more to do with the buyers than anything as every Icon shock we get in generally is about a decade passed its service date. So we will not lie in that the majority of the Icons we get in are in worse shape, but that has less to do with the shocks, and more to do with people not being aware you have to rebuild them like you would a Fox or King. With that said Fox and King are both softer riding options without a doubt, but the more gear you carry to go overlanding, the more the Icons become a better choice. It is nearly impossible to get the low speed compression characteristics needed for heavier builds out of a linear shock without making them ride stiff across the board, so if you are planning on outfitting your truck with pretty much any amount of constant load, you really should be considering something Digressive, or at the very least has dual speed compression adjustment like the Fox. Another thing I might consider is that you will also be adding a lot of maintenance for a use case that hardly needs that much shock. I would highly recommend considering something like a Bilstein 6112 and 5160 as if you are just "overlanding" that will still be more damper than you need, handle constant weight well, ride better than stock, and not require constant rebuilds or maintenance.
I have a 2024 Silverado SRW 3500 HD Silverado. I want the thing to ride like a Cadillac and not like a 1 ton, but when I hook up the fith wheel I would love to firm it up for better control. I don't do a ton of off road especially high speed off road. What do you think? Fox 2.5 or King?
Why does Ironman4x4 always get left out? I've run two of their suspension lifts and love them. First, was on a 99 Lexus LX470 now I have the full kit including UCA and rear leaf springs Foam Cell Pro on my 2015 Tundra. / I guess since they aren't really a dealer based company, but rather direct to consumer sale based.
They definitely make great entry-level systems for sure, but they do not really compete with the higher end brands like Fox, King, or Icon. Although their body sizes might be similar, the foam cell twin tube design means they have smaller working pistons, can not manage heat as well, and generally are not designed for the same driving as the brands we talk about in this video. They are a great trail-oriented suspension for your daily driver, overlander, or light wheeler, but on most applications, they are not going to let you float 6" whoops at 2-3x the speed you could stock like you can with a set of Fox, King or Icons.
they're very similar with their own valving profile and approach, but very comparable in terms of materials/construction/durability. We haven't ridden on Radflo ourselves, so cant speak from experience in that regard
Great video. We have a Colorado ZR2 with the DSSV's. Weve loved the ride especially compared to the Z71. How would you rank them? We tow a small trailer and at 77k miles my left rear is starting to leak. What would you recommend from you guys? Maybe I just swap out the rear first? Thanks.
For daily driving and mild to moderate off roading the DSSVs are pretty good. They definitely rank at the top of stock shocks, but they definitely can not keep up with a true 2.5 body shock like the Kings or ADS shocks available for ZR2s. I am sure on road ride and even under light loads will be pretty comparable, but the big boy shocks are in a different league everywhere else. As far as what we recommend, if your rears are giving out now, your fronts are probably not far off so the truck might just force you to do everything at once. In terms of best option, we think the Kings are probably more plush, but the ADS will handle better and probably be a touch more stable under a load as well.
So for a expert opinion, on a 2 door bronco badsquatch, what’s the ultimate upgrade that’ll still behave well on the street but let you take on just about anything? Like you could go do the Rubicon trail or something.
Honestly can't go wrong with all three it just depends on preference. With that said we do think from a design perspective the Icon is hard to beat as they offer the most travel and the best solution for limiting that extra travel for 37" and taller tires, however we can definitley see how they are a little bit firm for a lot of people. The King is definitely the most comfortable of the three but is also the loosest and least stable handling, while the Fox probably has the better blend of ride and handling, but if you are not planning on running 37" or larger tires, or are like us and would rather cut the body than limit travel, they do leave a lot of travel on the table. In terms of useability, adjustability, and overall performance, we think the Fox might be our winner for a lot of people, but you definitely notice they offer far less wheel travel than the Icon and even King when you are going fast or twisted up between some rocks.
@@ShockSurplus thanks these are good points to take into consideration. I was actually thinking about staying on 35s, just upgrading to something with better grip over the stock sas. Would Fox be the right move if staying on 35s?
We like the way they feel in most cases but they are really short in travel, and if you are sticking to 35s you do not need to limit travel by nearly that much. You definitely notice they bottom and top out more at speed, and do not offer quite as much articulation as the other options when crawling do out of the box, so I might still lean toward Icon unless you like a softer ride. The Icon will still be way more comfortable than the stock Bilsteins are in every situation, but the Kings definitely do offer a lot more plush ride at lower speeds, albeit without quite as good handling. The DSC adjuster really helps keep Fox in the running, but losing out on so much potential wheel travel when you do not have to makes them a little harder sell in a lot of situations. With that said if you do not see yourself pushing that close to the limits, we think you will really like the Fox.
Hey Sean I have 24 2500HD duramax. I want to upgrade the shock system also don’t want to go crazy price was. I just want a better ride on road with no off-road. I want a smoother ride with shocks soaking up bumps. Been looking at 3inch level lift from cognito but not sure what shock system to go with.
Ideally the Fox 2.0 really help with those torsion bar setups, but there's a more affordable option in the Eibach Pro Truck setups. Cranking those keys to 3in though is going to make the ride rough, regardless of shock package. Try and back it down to 2" if you can, and the new wheel tire combo fits. www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-sport-strut-shocks-set-for-2016-2022-chevrolet-silverado-2500-hd
CONTACT SHOCK SURPLUS"? What a freakin JOKE! How about multiple calls and hold times, one up to 30 minutes long. Only to get a recording that says" Why waste anytime being on hold, go online and shop" Paraphrase. Well, if someone wants to speak to a real person with genuine questions, how about being more personal and picking up the phone. Employ more people to answer phones. It's all about relationship-building and communication guys. That's how you get the word spread. Since I know you are already established and my rant will absolutely go nowhere and probably get beat up here on posts, this is all a moot point. I'm only one guy and the world is just different. Regardless, this 61-year-old man who had shock questions for a purchase, will not shop at Shock Surplus. Out!
All we can say is sorry! Last week was intense for us, 2 people out, training 2 new people, on top of big demand - all a tough combo! We're actively addressing phone volume and bringing down response times. If you want to give us another chance, email the owner sean@shocksurplus.com - he's been made aware of your complaint.
If it is just a daily driver then you may want to consider something like an Eibach or Bilstein that does not require as much service. The Fox 2.0s would probably the right choice between the two choices you were looking at though.
Can you guys do a solid axle HD truck shock recommendation video? I’m trying to get that “pillowy” on road/ slow speed off-road. Not doing any high speed off-roading here in south Florida. It’s a 2023 F250.
Cant recommend the Carli Commuter/backcountry kit enough for that, have ran it on our own 2020 Ram 2500 and the response was great on the easy stuff and daily drive
Out of these 3? If you like a sportier ride / tighter handling, Icon is our preference, plus its a bit more budget friendly in their stage 1 kits. Otherwise the 2.5 Fox Performance Elite with dual adjustment is preferred over Kings (90 day warranty).
Dobinsons is comparable with their 2.5 in shocks, in terms of capabilities, their materials do differ quite a bit, along with service intervals. We'll dive deeper into Dobinsons soon!
2023 F150 Tremor with a supercharger what setup do you recommend for the additional power? I won't be off road much but I do want to level the front with a coil over setup. Thanks
I would definitely be leaning towards either a Fox with a Dual Speed Compression adjuster or something Digressive like the Icon. The low speed compression adjustment on the Fox will allow you to tune sway or weight transfer separate of bump stiffness. The Icon is digressive in valving so will naturally be a little firmer on low speed and will have less sway than a more traditional linear shock like the king. We are currently running our Bronco with the low speed compression adjusters maxed out and even with around 3" of lift and 37" tires it handles as good or better than a lot of stock cars let alone trucks or SUVs.
Awesome video! Would be very interesting to see a comparison of the Ohlins shocks on a Wrangler and compare it against these brands. Keep up the good work!
Looking in the market for a truck and i saw a 2020 trd off road on 2.5 kings shocks. Really dont go hardcore off-road but i wonder is it good for a daily driven shock? Im just researching now because if i get the truck i dont want to replace it every 50 to 60 k miles everything in California to expensive so im still searching for truck and not committed to that truck just yet. Looks nice lifted.
They are a great comfortable option but if you are just taking it easy and do not need all the additional performance of a shock like that, you probably will want to go with something that does not require as much service and lasts longer like a Bilstein, Eibach, Dobinsons, or even OME
So realistically, for an extremely comfortable ride for highway and around town, what are we looking at? 550lbs springs with consumer choice of shock brand?
There is not one size fits all spring rate whatsoever. It all comes down to vehicle weight, suspension design, and use case. A 550 lb spring might work great on the front of a light weight independent front suspension vehicle, but might be too much spring rate for something almost double the weight with a solid axle. If you want max comfort then Kings are usually the softest of the bunch.
I got a 2004 tundra limited complete stock looking to build a Go anywhere and everywhere truck for overland,beach bum ,back country/off-grid ,camping ,daily driver,cross country, 50% on road 55% off -road looking to do a 2inch lift or leveling kit no sure the difference and a high clearance Baja bumper upfront with a winch maybe and roof rack with gear and roof top tent and be able to have strength to tow a trailer with a car here and there if I have to Don’t want to spend too much money and change a lot of parts because I know once you change more parts it’s more maintenance and more likely stuff is to break any suggestions please send them my way thank you can’t wait to get started maybe you’ll see me on RUclips one of these days building it up 😂✅
We immediately think about the Bilstein 6112 + 5160 setup on that vehicle, fantastic price for a 2.5 front shock and springs, would handle all the gear / load, and perform great in the terrain of choice. Another good one is the Icon stage 2 kit that comes with new rear leafs www.shocksurplus.com/search?Year/2004/Make/Toyota/Model/Tundra/DriveType/4WD
Fox has the best 'list' per say in terms of cataloging their parts list. King has an equal, if not bigger, list of available parts since they're custom order program is more robust - but its not easy to navigate whats available there. Icon has the essentials to rebuild their shocks.
It just so happens we're currently helping on the suspension side of things with @american_overland and @katethejeep (on IG) with their new builds. One is getting Ironman, one is getting Rallitek+Bilstein, and one of them may see Flatout Suspension's setup, which could be awesome. We dont have any real experience except comparing the stock ride to Bilstein. Bilstein is going to feel tighter than the factory setups on these Crosstreks/Foresters. We'll have a good impression of Ironman's setup in a couple weeks.
No opinion based on experience. We've seen the breakdown of their components and internals, look like they're *heavily inspired* by Fox 2.5 factory series
@@ShockSurplus would be Interesting to see a direct comparison between the fox 2.5 factory series and the rough country vertex 2.5, like you said they are super similar
So now that we are looking at 3.0 shock diameters with kings, has there been any considerations to try an IBP coilover? It would be able to tune out the bottom out you’re talking about in a lot easier install than a hydro bump stop would be. While also keeping that cloudy feel at normal ride hight.
It really comes down to how you are using it, your budget and your goals. Give our sales team a shout on our website with some more details about what you want from your suspension and we can definitely steer you in the right direction. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
2020 Ford F350 Tremor with a flatbed and pop up camper. 16.5 Warren Winch and aluminum buckstop front bumper. Going to spend some time in Latin America with the rig. Which brand?
Icon or Fox would definitely be the way to go once you get dialed in on a good spring combination. The Fox will definitely be a touch more comfortable at lower speeds, but the Icon will handle the weight better and offer more stability.
The real reason is the market on these trucks is shrinking pretty quick. They are able to get the performance 99% of their buyers want without a reservoir, and there are not enough first gen Taco owners left that will actually buy a bolt on coilover with a reservoir for their trucks. We only sell a handful of Icon or Fox 2.5s with reservoirs a year for 1g Taco / 3g T4R so I just do not think King wants to spend the time and money on development for such a small market. In fact, the only real reason why Icon and Fox have anything is that they released those parts when those cars were still in production, however, we are even seeing Fox start to discontinue some parts for these trucks.
Definitely not a set up we generally recommend, but we get this question a lot so it may be a video we consider. If only to explain why it is not the best idea. Both Fox and Bilstein usually develop their dampers as a complete set and they usually are pretty darn far apart in terms of valving, so it usually really upsets the balance of the vehicle a whole bunch.
When you go higher on the front of an IFS vehicle using coilovers, at about 2.5-3" of lift starts to throw the alignment off to a level that normal methods have a hard time getting aligned, due to angle of the arm and ball joint that affects the steering knuckle. With new arms, it restores the angles to the ball joint and steering knuckle interaction, allowing easier alignment. Another benefit is keeping all the droop travel intact without making contact with the shock tower.
@@ShockSurplus Installing Billstein 6112 kit on a 21' F150 with only 22k miles...90% highway driving, on a budget, i'm having a hard time justifying the extra $800+ for ICON tubular UCAs. What's your suggestion?
Icon is probably the best for on and off road and the adjustment is easiest. Fox live valves are nice but look to be only oem option like on raptor but correc tme if im wrong.
The Icon CDCV adjuster is probably just as easy to adjust as the Kings however the Fox adjuster is the far superior option without a doubt. Fox only offers live valve shock upgrades for vehicles like Raptors that already have live valve, but we can upgrade any of these brands with a set of SDI universal reservoirs for full electronic control
Yup definitely a game changer for them, however from what we have gathered the SDI systems are a little smarter and better integrated. Although we love the Icon app
Looking for an opinion on my 21 tundra with a 350lb camper on it and about 200lbs of gear. Ive been on the fence about either the icon stage 10 or the fox 2.5/3.0 with deaver leaf springs. Any opinions on this? Moderate trails and daily driver.
The Icon setups have been great for us and carrying those constant loads, specifically our Tacoma where we ran stage 8 with the RXT rear system, loved it. You'd be very happy in the Stage 10 CDEV kit, especially because the rear shocks are tuned to those RXT leafs, and include rebound adjustment. www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-3-suspension-system-stage-10-tubular-kit-for-2007-2020-toyota-tundra-4wd-rwd-k53030t Fox and Deaver would still be solid, especially with the new rear performance elite system, but there's no 3.0 option.
If its mostly offroad use, such as lease roads or construction sites, etc, then we'd recommend Eibach pro truck. They're similar to Fox in the comfort department, but will last much longer. Another good option depending on your budget are the Fox 2.5 Performance Elite, since you can adjust the firmness of the shock depending on terrain/speeds. www.shocksurplus.com 213-433-3616 - feel free to text us to dive into more details
What is a good set up for an 07 FJ that is lightly off roaded but mostly a street daily driver? Not looking for much of a lift maybe 2 inches but want a better ride.
Checkout the Eibach pro truck setup, one of our recent favorites, pretty forgiving ride but still in control. If you want a lot more comfort and dont want to blow too much money, the Fox 2.0 snap rings in front, and normal fox 2.0 ifp in the rear is a good option
I have a 2021 Toyota Tundra 1794 what shocks/coilovers can you recommend for daily commute with lots of potholes here in NYC , towing 2 dirtbikes driving up to trails. I want something comfortable not bouncy. Thanks
A Fox, King, or Icon might not be for you but a set of Eibach Pro Truck sports or even their 2.0 coilovers would more than do the trick www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-stage-2r-coilover-kit-front-coilovers-rear-reservoir-shocks-e86-82-067-02-22
Aluminum shock bodies are a huge disadvantage. They fail far quicker. Would be lucky to get 2 years of use out of them on a daily driver. Its a consumer level disposable product.
What's the best suspension upgrade for a 2020 4Runner TRD PRO from the OEM FOX TRD PRO suspension? 🤔 trying to get a 3inch lift. Fully loaded 4runner, front steel bumper, full skids back bumper and drawer system. GFC RTT. 295/70/17 wheels.
To me... U shud compare these shock and all these things to those base shock on trucks... so all of us can understand better what u say🤗👍 it does not mean "nothing" if u just compare tose example shucks together of your company..
Already done! 3 of us actually ran Eibachs at the same time on our different rigs and we already have a video up talking about them: ruclips.net/video/XQDstVzoZo8/видео.html&pp=ygUUc2hvY2sgc3VycGx1cyBlaWJhY2g%3D
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📺 Introducción al tema de comparación entre King Shocks, Fox Shocks e Icon Shocks. 01:04 🚗 Experiencia personal del presentador probando diferentes tipos de amortiguadores en varios vehículos. 01:45 🧰 Enfoque en la información técnica sobre amortiguadores, ajustes y características de cada marca. 02:52 🛠️ Comparación de los pistones de amortiguadores de King, Fox e Icon en términos de puertos de compresión y rebote. 03:49 🌀 Importancia del ajuste de los resortes de bobina para influir en la calidad del viaje y el comportamiento del vehículo. 05:07 🌟 Diferencias clave entre amortiguadores digresivos y lineales, y su impacto en el manejo y la comodidad en carretera. 06:17 💪 Recomendaciones sobre la elección de amortiguadores según el peso y las necesidades del vehículo. 07:24 🏎️ Discusión sobre la optimización de amortiguadores King para velocidades medias y terrenos rugosos. 08:40 🤖 Ventajas de los amortiguadores Fox Performance Elite con ajuste de alta velocidad y capacidad de afinación personalizada. 10:12 📊 Comparación de materiales y características de cuerpo de amortiguadores entre las marcas. 11:49 🏞️ Objetivos de rendimiento comunes entre las marcas: soporte a velocidades medias y uso off-road. 13:11 🛣️ Experiencia personal con amortiguadores Icon, destacando su manejo en carretera y off-road. 14:55 🛢️ Comparación de aceites de amortiguadores y su resistencia a altas temperaturas. 16:17 🛠️ Observaciones sobre la facilidad de servicio de amortiguadores Icon en comparación con otras marcas. 17:10 📅 Estado actual de la disponibilidad de amortiguadores de las diferentes marcas en el mercado. 17:55 🙋 Invitación a los espectadores a compartir comentarios y preguntas, promoviendo una perspectiva imparcial. Made with HARPA AI
Has anyone ever ran 600lb 14" coil springs on ICON shocks for a Tacoma? I am curious if this would help them ride softer than the 650lb 13" springs that come on them.
I have stock out of the box Kings non resivor on the front of my 01 Tacoma and it’s a little firmer then it used to be with All Pro 550lb coil over. Do i need to change the spring from a 600lb to a 550lb or do i need the valving changed from stock?
If it is stock weight I would consider stepping down to a 550 first and then getting it valved later if you are unhappy. Most companies use a 500-550 lb spring on the first gens like yours, so a 600 should definitely be a little much.
I’ve got the icon 3.0 Coilovers on my 2014 Ford Raptor , I hav experienced a jittering or bouncing of the front end on highway speeds , it’s seems like the shock is sensitive to any slight distortions on the road and it’s a bit annoying , is this normal nature of the shock ? . Experienced in 37psi and 40 PSI shock adjustments out of the box never touched them.
It is hard to diagnose without actually driving the truck but the first place I would start is the CDCV adjusters if you have not touched them from how they are out of the box
Sounds like a Carli Dominator kit with King 3.0s would be right up your alley. We have had that set up on the Power Wagon for a while now and it really makes an 7500 lb 3/4 ton truck feel like a little midsize on and off the road. If you want it to feel tight on the road though, I would definitely recommend adding on their Torsion sway bar. It makes the front end much more predictable and really keeps the cab flat if you ever find yourself crawling up something that will have you flexed out.
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I’ve been running ICON’s for 6.5 years. I love them. I initially had an issue with the extra weight in the rear, causing my shocks to slam down on the bottom out. Scott listened to my issues and made a custom shim stack for me. They’re now perfect, combined with 800+ pound rear springs and 700 pound coilover springs.
Right on! Icon does a great job on their revalves especially for heavy stuff. Most shocks are tuned to suit a wide variety of drivers and rig set ups, so if you are way outside the range of what they are expecting of their users, you might need a little different tune or valving. But that is what makes these higher end shocks great. Although usually their off the shelf tunes are great, the fact you can get them valved for your specific needs really makes it worthwhile. Even if lets say you are less than thrilled with the way they ride or handle, most of the time they are just a tune away from being mint.
I run Fox 2.5 dsc on my Tundra and love to run it full soft. It leans like a trophy truck in the corners but it wears my tires out quicker possibly from weight shift,I’m not sure. But the front passenger tire wears quickly on the outside edge. So I keep it tighter on my slow speed adjuster and just leave my high speed bottomed out. Rides really nice. I had Accutune Off-road tune them and they really did a great job. I’ve done small jumps with it on accident and it handled it well. Just lands and doesn’t bounce. Very happy with them.
I run custom tuned 2.5” adjustable Kings from Filthy on my LC and custom tuned Fox 2.5” with DSCs on my GX from Accutune. The fox’s are very adjustable and give a very buttery ride on and off road, but I wouldn’t trust them in the dirt over 45 or in the freeway over 90. My HE LC is much heavier but the Kings make it crazy planted like a race car but without any harshness. Both handle very well crawling over obstacles, the foxes have just a wee bit more “Cadillac fade” coming off big stuff. Overall I’m happy with both setups; the Foxes will hide more from my butt but they get squirrelly more easily, the Kings hide things a bit less but have a lot more control. Icon is a no until offer true technical support, their current standard of care is to ship things back to them for servicing. Not everyone has an extra car they can use for a month+ while they wait for service. A digressive shim stack is fine for us non-racers as long as people buying them don’t think they can make them racers.
love this, great feedback, thank you so much for the input
You are 100% correct about icon . Their customer support is trash !!never gain
I've got the TRD Fox Shox on my Tundra TRD Pro and it is why I bought the truck. Compared to the Trail Boss/AT4, and the F-150 Tremor there was no comparison when test driving. Just the difference in daily driving the Fox made all the difference.
You definitely can not beat a position sensitive shock like the Fox you have!
I’ve been in a few friends Tacoma’s running king/fox/icons and the Fox shocks outperformed them all.
They were all very similar builds minus shocks.
After falling in love with Fox, I upgraded my Tacoma to Fox 2.5’s And loved it.
Now I’m running Fox 3.0 dsc in front and 3.5 triple bypasses in the rear of my Raptor.
IMO, you can’t beat the ride quality On and off-road on a Fox setup. Sure, king is cheaper but Fox rides better.
I remember when FOX was a little ole company based in Canyon Country, CA making mufflers for mopeds. They have come a long way.
they're huge now! they're aiming for $2b in sales by 2025
@@ShockSurplus And if we don't end up in a hot war with Russia in the mean time they will likely make their projections or we are all dead and doesn't really matter at that point.
I just essentially ordered the Stage 2 icon lift for my 4th gen 4Runner(installed UCAs earlier this year when passenger ball joint failed, just ordered the rest of the stage 2 but with dual rate springs for hitch carrier), I've been trying to do as much research as I can to verify that I'm getting what I want. This video confirms what I've been hoping for. I ride a CBR 600rr sport bike, so I really enjoy tight response and feedback. I bought my 4R with Bilstein 5100s and 285/70/17 duratracs and had to install Airlift 1000 to prevent sagging when I haul my bike on a floating motorcycle hitch carrier. Without the bike though, the difference in handling after installed the airbags was night and day, the feeling of a stiffer suspension gave me so much more confidence in my ride. I'm hoping that Icon's Stage 2 kit with dual rate springs will give me that better response on road because I love blasting around the mountain roads in CO and enjoy taking scenic routes on long road trips. I haven't done much off road yet because I had a Bilstein 5100 front shock pop the set ring when I hit a pot hole in the city, which removed all confidence from them off road.
Long story short, I'm looking for affirmation that Icon Stage 2 will provide a sportier, more responsive ride on road and inspire confidence off road on my 4th gen 4Runner.
The Dual rate rear coils are definitely a great choice and something we recommend switching to with their Icon kits like you did. They are much better under a load, however their more progressive nature also means they do not beat you up when unloaded and provide plenty of bottom out support when you want to boogie. Plus it is hard to beat Icons handling. Every time we test a set they always put a smile on our face when we throw our rigs around.
Guess I've been asleep for a minute. When did Icon get in the same league as King and Fox?
Can’t see much with a blindfold. king has been on par forever and Icon for the last 5-10yeads
@@danimaljjmnhj4308 OK, so just for a minute then, good to hear.
@@lhurst9550 sorry lol read your comment wrong. Thought you said when did king and icon get on the same level as fox. But that aside I’m so glad Icon I’m really getting in the game I feel like they are more competing with Fox in there daily driver type shocks. IMO the fox 2.0 are literally the worst shocks on earth ride god awlful all the time even at higher speeds on bumpy roads. Switched to bilstein 5100 and they’ve been better In every driving condition including higher speeds on bumpy dirt roads.
Maybe its just us, we weren't 'early adopters' per say but we had Icon on our Tacomas in 2015-2016 and they worked extremely well for us for 60k miles. They have widely available service kits for their shocks, a huge range of options, and materials just as good as Fox and King. They also develop full suspension systems for OE applications, so they've leaned into that more than professional racer support it seems, where Fox and King have advantage. But in terms of quality of materials, ride quality out of the box, serviceability - all on par with Fox and King (from our experience)
@@ShockSurplus When Icon was DRE, Kreg was one of the best tuners in the game. After he went to jail, and DRE became IVD, the tuning just wasnt as spot on.
Very interesting commentary on all three big name shocks. I personally run ICON's Stage 7 kit on my 2020 T4R and have loved it except for the rears. My 2.5 rears have both been rebuilt twice now due to pitting and this last time was pitting and a seal that was wearing the inner shaft. Their pitting is a constant problem due to their soft "hardened" shaft so if you run them you need both the shin guards and the boot guards to protect them and your $$$$ from rocks/debris being kicked up.
Definitely something we have seen as well. Although we almost never recommend traditional shock boots because they make life too hard on the wiper seals, hard shields or guards to protect your rear shafts are always a great idea. Any debris coming off the front tires has a pretty straight path to the rear shocks on 4th and 5th generation 4Runners so the extra protection is worth every penny regardless of the shock brand.
I’m sorry to say they all suffer from this….i ruined a king shock shaft one trip from this and both both rear shafts on one Baja trip on my brand new ADS shocks…..I now always run boots on the rears
Went back and forth with you guys for a while and so happy with your advice on my 2022 ram rebel. Especially happy with your discussions on modularity tuning and aftermarket support even though I used a local dealer to source my shocks due to serviceability and set up being a first time owner. Can't wait to come back to you guys for the other pieces we discussed seeing as those aren't supported by my local dealer. Much love.
I have a Ram Rebel as well; what is your final setup? Do you overland, rock crawl, desert run??
@James Ullrich I'm based out in the dust free cool deserts of Arabia, specifically, Kuwait. It's my DD, but i work in construction and on a farm. Sometimes, that's out in the desert without paved roads, so I would say I do 60% paved 40% unpaved. The unpaved surfaces are packed sand, some loose sand, washboard ruts, and the local favorite of horrible asphalt with regular potholes that need stiff shaft resistance at speed. Don't do much rock crawling since we don't have rocks here. But that's normally done on a week-long trip down south to Oman, which is a two day drive. So I'd say I'm more a desert runner (taking sand packs at 65-100 km/h) that's also interested in overlanding to camping spots once im far enough from society. Everything's stock so far with the exception of the 4 corner shock system I went with, which is the 2.5 pes dsc. I couldn't find the 2-3" system up front so I went with the 2" lift front. Thankfully it's worked fine because our offices in the city are underground and I sit just an inch under the clearance there. If I had gone higher I probably wouldn't be able to explore larger tires over stock if I ever chose to do so. At the moment the bed has a decked system and will be adding a kb voodoo vrs with some gear lockers and slide out trays. Total constant load in the bed will then be +300lbs without anything loaded. Once you get gear in, that's a comfortable 500+ load. To minimize sag I will be upgrading the rear coils with Shock surplus when the bed racks installed and I have a better feel. So far I'd say daily driving is an upgrade over bilstein due to the softer settings available in low speed. To combat the potholes I shift the high speed up to about 4-5 clicks. So low speed is at 1-2 high speed 4-5. When I hit the rolls in the sand I toughen both up to 7 or so. I don't hit whoops but feel like I can lock the shocks all the way to handle those if I find the balls to whoop a daily driver 60k truck. Hahaha 😆 sorry for thelong response. Just hit 2000 km with this setup and it's been a treat figuring out which dsc setting works with which driving style and terrain. There's always more to learn and as I go on I feel like I'll continue going to shock surplus for sound unbiased advice.
@James Ullrich also were hardly cool or dust free. It's 50 Celsius right now and we haven't even gotten into July.
@@teksirykassir4014 I appreciate the longer description. I'm just getting into this and it helps understand what you're using your rig for to formulate my options.
glad we could help out!
Icon has been around for quite a while, up there with King and Fox as a domestic manufacturer, used to be known as Donahoe Racing before some legal issues.
Yup! Icon has been our favorite of the three on a number of applications for sure. We would all like to forget about the Donahoe fiasco though LOL
Icon is trash
Here's another perspective that may have been mentioned on another one of your videos. Digressive shocks keep you off of the bump stops when you have less-than-ideal wheel travel such as with Toyota IFS. As you go to longer travel, the need for digressive goes down because its easier to stay away from the max extended/compressed lengths of the shock. But, going digressive with longer travel would add the typical added benefit of digressive shocks- better handling on paved roads.
Yep great point, that's kind of what we mean by 'these are all aiming for the same goal of mid-speed support' meaning mid-shaft speeds, and leaving the high shaft speeds up to bumpstops.
It looks like I lucked out and chose the best coilovers for how I have built and drive my '01 Tacoma: Icon. Thanks for the very informative video!
Sean you do such an awesome job with these reviews. I’m a recent customer and wanted to give kuddos to Steve who recently took care of me with some needed products and even matched pricing to a lower price from a competitor. Sone of your other staff was unfortunately not as great specially when it came to returning a part. It would be a shame for a customer to get a bad experience with some of your staff that didn’t seem to understand the importance of minimal manners and friendliness. Having said that I still would recommend you as you have great fair prices and fast shipping. Keep up the good work!
Thanks a bunch for the feedback, will pass that up the chain and get some more training done with our team.
I've tried them all, spent waaaay too much money and in the end you just can't beat a bilstein shock...... they have been in the business much longer than any other performance shock on the market and their ride quality in all terrains is spot on.... good luck on your endeavors
which bilstein shock specifically on what vehicle? Bilstein doesn't have a 2.5in shock for platforms like the F150, Silverado, and many others - whereas these 3 brands do. If you're talking a 2in shock, that's a different conversation than what's ecompassed here.
stop lying lol.... you know you never had those 3 shocks... You only had your bilstein lol
This is the best video I have found explaining the difference between road feel and off-road feel with various brands and styles of shock assemblies. I didn't realize that the spring rates had so little to do with it. I would be curious to know how progressive rate springs can factor in though since that logically seems like it should be the best of all Worlds, I am assuming. They are surprisingly rare. I personally have seen poor quality with Fox (perch studs rounding out and rust on F150 Roush 2.0) and I would like the softest ride possible without worrying about body roll on-road so King it is! Admittedly Fox is the only one of the 3 I have first hand experience with though. Just soured on them a bit.
Fox went down hill 8 years ago when they went factory spec...
There are little to no progressive coil springs used on coilovers as a lot of time the stroke length is too short. Most of the time, if a coilover has enough stroke length for a progressive spring to make sense, they will run a dual spring setup. With that said on set ups where the shock is separate of the spring, a progressive or multi rate coil definitely is beneficial for all of these brands. In fact most of the coil and leaf springs Icon makes to pair with their shocks are progressive. All three of these brands use the same level of hardware for the most part so if you had an issue with the Roush Spec Fox 2.0s, it would be just as likely to happen on other parts, but I also would not use those as a barrier for reference either. The parts Fox sells directly are very different from what is private labeled by Ford or Roush and neither Icon nor King have a comparable option near the same price point. In fact, based on what you want Fox 2.5s would be the better choice of all of the other options. If you want the softest ride possible without worrying about body roll, your best bet would probably be a Fox with dual speed compression adjusters since you can tune ride and handling separately from each other. The Kings have the most sway of the three and have a "mid-speed" adjuster, meaning you have to sacrifice ride comfort to reduce unwanted body motions. So you effectively end up having to choose between it riding well or handling predictably.
@@ShockSurplus This is a super helpful response. Thank you for taking the time!
Im running Kings 2.5 on my 24 tundra and were tuned they absolutely killer.
Great breakdown! I ran Fox on my Fj and had them tuned a litter stiffer. Handled better than stock with 3" lift and was great offroad. Little stiff on rough roads, but as you say faster was better :)
I have a 2015 F-150 4WD V8 with a fab4 premium front bumper fitted with a Warn Zeon 12 winch, 2nd battery, air compressor and will soon be replacing the stock aluminum bed with a stanless flatbed and smartcap XL ( the smartcap bed replacement system). Right now it's my main vehicle but as i finish the build it will become my dedicated farm truck for my 100 acres. I've had my eye on the ICONs and from what you said about heavier loadouts it sounds like that's the right direction for me to go. Thanks for the video.
the Icons will do great handling the heavier loads for sure. Fox and King can certainly get it done, Fox would also work from our experience out of the Box, especially with DSC adjusters.
Bought my kings from you guys, and I love it!!! Thanks you for the help!
awesome-soss!
I have a full king shock suspension which I paid 7500$ for😅..I drive a 5th gen 4runner offroad premium...I live in Washington state.. it rains often here.. I use my rig for a daily driver and mostly overlanding and light to moderate offroading in some of the orv parks in my area..
The king shocks I can say.. helps my rig literally handle like my Mercedes suv while road driving.. offroad it's a beast..
However I have recently found after having my system for 4 years my suspension has started to squeak very loudly.. 4 wheel parts shop has told me that because of Washington having such a damp climate.. king suspensions usually end up having this issue.
Sadly I think I'm going to move on to another brand suspension.. I have heard from many folks that icon is a pretty decent brand. Especially for what I do..
:)
Why don't you just get them rebuilt?
Those Kings need some service!
www.shocksurplus.com/pages/shock-service
4yrs old? Just rebuild them 🤦♂️
Gotta replace the spherical bearings, stock bolt are tapered which allows a lot of play where the shock connects to the LCA. Check out 303 shock services rebuild kit. The squeaking went away completely after I replaced the spherical bearings and bolts
@shocksurplus . You must be a icon dealer with all these great comments About icon. Meanwhile they are the Worest !
Wish this video was made years ago! Thank you for your work!
cheers, glad we could help a bit!
Really awesome video! I'm finally upgrading the suspension on my 14' Tundra Crew Max. My question is, If i'm planning on buying the Stage 4 icon kit, is there anything I need to add/have adjusted when i get them installed? I off-road fairly often. Nothing overly intense but I use my truck as a truck haha. 70/30 Road/OR. I don't tow and do not have a camper shell. I'm getting the Icon UCA as well. I wIll be running the icon Rebound wheels and will more than likely be running 285/75/r17 Ko3's
Really helpful video. I've recently started researching replacement shocks for my 2014 SVT Raptor. I have been leaning towasrd Fox 3.0. Like you said in the video, there are so many fans, bias, etc. on forums and social media.
Have heard a ton of great things on all brands in the 3.0 range for the Raptors, we've sold quite a few Icon 3.0s with flawless feedback.
www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-1-3-suspension-system-stage-1-performance-2010-2014-ford-f150-svt-raptor-4wd-w-1-3-lift-k93051
@ShockSurplus what do you recommend for a 2016 Denali 2500HD?
Great video, but im happy with my $2.5k Ironman 4x4 on my Lexus GX, it's not even close as any of those three brands, but it's zero maintenance
Glad you like them! We haven't had the same luck with Ironman but we definitely love a set up that needs less maintenance
ELKA works really well on my 2023 Tundra
Ive had Icons for 5yrs on a ram 1500 with custom valving. The issue I have for a daily driver is that im rebuilding they every year. Not happy with that.
High performance dampers whether they are from Fox, King, or Icon will need regular service. Options like the Bilsteins and Dobinsons will last longer, but likely will not offer the same level of all out performance.
ICON's techincally was Donahoe Racing ... so they have alittle more suspension knowledge than 15yrs
you're right! didn't mean it in terms of suspension experience, more materials / program / product knowledge by the market
4:36 I'm damn near illiterate when it comes to suspension components, but why would the RAM have lower weight springs (450lbs) compared to the smaller, lighter Tacoma with a 600lbs springs?
Que buena presentación de amortiguadores, te has ganado una suscripción.
Tengo una pregunta, estos amortiguadores (coil overs) ¿se puede instalar para una tacoma 2008 4x2 ?
Siempre que tenga ruedas de 6 orejetas y no de 5 orejetas, las tres marcas tienen múltiples opciones disponibles.
As long as it has 6 lug wheels and not 5 lugs, all three brands have multiple options available.
I have been waiting on my rear icon shocks over two months now. So I disagree a bit on having them in stock
Which vehicle? From us specifically or in general? When Icon or Fox is backordered we usually have stock, what part number you waiting on?
I'm buying a Toyota Tacoma soon and I'm interested in What would be the best Shock to purchase mid to high-end suspension setups w/ UCA's. I want to do overlanding with minor jumps/hitting whoops and rock crawling. I'm looking to run 33s with my build not looking to run 35s at all in the future. I've been looking at emu bp51s but I'd like to know if Icon or Kings would be the better choice. Any feedback would be absolutely amazing as I'm just starting to learn about Overlanding + suspension ect… 😁
Great video! Have some questions for anyone to answer. I have a 2020 F-150 XLT 4x4 with an Eibach pro truck stage one kit. 2.75” lift from stock in the front. Rides way too stiff and maxed out angles. I’m wanting to go with a stage 2-3 kit. I was going to go icon but then heard some not great things from a guy I know who rebuilds shocks etc for a living and is very successful. I heard pre mature leaking and the digressive tuning isn’t that great for everyday driving. So I’m kinda leaning towards fox and king. Want a 2.5 reservoir shock set up. 75% street driving with the rest a mix of off roading and slowly getting into over landing. Not sure how heavy I will end up going but I don’t want to go that heavy.
We rebuild all of those shocks too and we will say the Icon hate is certainly unfounded to a degree. In reality a Fox or King really does not last much longer or need service more often. I think the issue has more to do with the buyers than anything as every Icon shock we get in generally is about a decade passed its service date. So we will not lie in that the majority of the Icons we get in are in worse shape, but that has less to do with the shocks, and more to do with people not being aware you have to rebuild them like you would a Fox or King. With that said Fox and King are both softer riding options without a doubt, but the more gear you carry to go overlanding, the more the Icons become a better choice. It is nearly impossible to get the low speed compression characteristics needed for heavier builds out of a linear shock without making them ride stiff across the board, so if you are planning on outfitting your truck with pretty much any amount of constant load, you really should be considering something Digressive, or at the very least has dual speed compression adjustment like the Fox. Another thing I might consider is that you will also be adding a lot of maintenance for a use case that hardly needs that much shock. I would highly recommend considering something like a Bilstein 6112 and 5160 as if you are just "overlanding" that will still be more damper than you need, handle constant weight well, ride better than stock, and not require constant rebuilds or maintenance.
Thank you for the feedback! Something to think about. And I’ll take a look into the Bilsteins as well.
I have a 2024 Silverado SRW 3500 HD Silverado. I want the thing to ride like a Cadillac and not like a 1 ton, but when I hook up the fith wheel I would love to firm it up for better control. I don't do a ton of off road especially high speed off road. What do you think? Fox 2.5 or King?
Why does Ironman4x4 always get left out? I've run two of their suspension lifts and love them. First, was on a 99 Lexus LX470 now I have the full kit including UCA and rear leaf springs Foam Cell Pro on my 2015 Tundra. / I guess since they aren't really a dealer based company, but rather direct to consumer sale based.
They definitely make great entry-level systems for sure, but they do not really compete with the higher end brands like Fox, King, or Icon. Although their body sizes might be similar, the foam cell twin tube design means they have smaller working pistons, can not manage heat as well, and generally are not designed for the same driving as the brands we talk about in this video. They are a great trail-oriented suspension for your daily driver, overlander, or light wheeler, but on most applications, they are not going to let you float 6" whoops at 2-3x the speed you could stock like you can with a set of Fox, King or Icons.
i love maing informed purchases these videos help alot thanks guys!
Great to hear!
Great video! I have Radflo on my Toyota 4Runner and am very happy with the ride. Any idea how they stack up with these?
they're very similar with their own valving profile and approach, but very comparable in terms of materials/construction/durability. We haven't ridden on Radflo ourselves, so cant speak from experience in that regard
F150 powerboost. FOX2.0 no good. Icon Stage4 very very nice. Too bumpy with stock 20”. But with 17” rims and 33” very very nice. Love it
did you go from fox 2.0 and 20" wheels to Icon and 17"? Massive difference on both fronts (amount of rubber, and amount of shock)
I had Kings on my old truck and loved the way they felt. I wanna try Icons on my new truck but don’t know yet 🤔
Whats the new truck? What kind of use is it going to see?
what is the one for best ride performance . I need for my 2008 Chevy tahoe ltz
Great video. We have a Colorado ZR2 with the DSSV's. Weve loved the ride especially compared to the Z71. How would you rank them? We tow a small trailer and at 77k miles my left rear is starting to leak. What would you recommend from you guys? Maybe I just swap out the rear first? Thanks.
For daily driving and mild to moderate off roading the DSSVs are pretty good. They definitely rank at the top of stock shocks, but they definitely can not keep up with a true 2.5 body shock like the Kings or ADS shocks available for ZR2s. I am sure on road ride and even under light loads will be pretty comparable, but the big boy shocks are in a different league everywhere else. As far as what we recommend, if your rears are giving out now, your fronts are probably not far off so the truck might just force you to do everything at once. In terms of best option, we think the Kings are probably more plush, but the ADS will handle better and probably be a touch more stable under a load as well.
So for a expert opinion, on a 2 door bronco badsquatch, what’s the ultimate upgrade that’ll still behave well on the street but let you take on just about anything? Like you could go do the Rubicon trail or something.
Honestly can't go wrong with all three it just depends on preference. With that said we do think from a design perspective the Icon is hard to beat as they offer the most travel and the best solution for limiting that extra travel for 37" and taller tires, however we can definitley see how they are a little bit firm for a lot of people. The King is definitely the most comfortable of the three but is also the loosest and least stable handling, while the Fox probably has the better blend of ride and handling, but if you are not planning on running 37" or larger tires, or are like us and would rather cut the body than limit travel, they do leave a lot of travel on the table. In terms of useability, adjustability, and overall performance, we think the Fox might be our winner for a lot of people, but you definitely notice they offer far less wheel travel than the Icon and even King when you are going fast or twisted up between some rocks.
@@ShockSurplus thanks these are good points to take into consideration. I was actually thinking about staying on 35s, just upgrading to something with better grip over the stock sas. Would Fox be the right move if staying on 35s?
We like the way they feel in most cases but they are really short in travel, and if you are sticking to 35s you do not need to limit travel by nearly that much. You definitely notice they bottom and top out more at speed, and do not offer quite as much articulation as the other options when crawling do out of the box, so I might still lean toward Icon unless you like a softer ride. The Icon will still be way more comfortable than the stock Bilsteins are in every situation, but the Kings definitely do offer a lot more plush ride at lower speeds, albeit without quite as good handling. The DSC adjuster really helps keep Fox in the running, but losing out on so much potential wheel travel when you do not have to makes them a little harder sell in a lot of situations. With that said if you do not see yourself pushing that close to the limits, we think you will really like the Fox.
Could you please compare with Bilstein 8xxx.
yep! 8112 DSA+ going on our Tacoma, will be tested against the Fox for sure, we've already tested Icon's CDCV, will also run King 2.5s after
Hey Sean I have 24 2500HD duramax. I want to upgrade the shock system also don’t want to go crazy price was. I just want a better ride on road with no off-road. I want a smoother ride with shocks soaking up bumps. Been looking at 3inch level lift from cognito but not sure what shock system to go with.
Ideally the Fox 2.0 really help with those torsion bar setups, but there's a more affordable option in the Eibach Pro Truck setups. Cranking those keys to 3in though is going to make the ride rough, regardless of shock package. Try and back it down to 2" if you can, and the new wheel tire combo fits.
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CONTACT SHOCK SURPLUS"? What a freakin JOKE! How about multiple calls and hold times, one up to 30 minutes long. Only to get a recording that says" Why waste anytime being on hold, go online and shop" Paraphrase. Well, if someone wants to speak to a real person with genuine questions, how about being more personal and picking up the phone. Employ more people to answer phones. It's all about relationship-building and communication guys. That's how you get the word spread. Since I know you are already established and my rant will absolutely go nowhere and probably get beat up here on posts, this is all a moot point. I'm only one guy and the world is just different. Regardless, this 61-year-old man who had shock questions for a purchase, will not shop at Shock Surplus. Out!
All we can say is sorry! Last week was intense for us, 2 people out, training 2 new people, on top of big demand - all a tough combo! We're actively addressing phone volume and bringing down response times. If you want to give us another chance, email the owner sean@shocksurplus.com - he's been made aware of your complaint.
So I'm looking for shocks for my F150 and I'm between fox and icon. But I'm just a daily driver and i barely go off roading.
If it is just a daily driver then you may want to consider something like an Eibach or Bilstein that does not require as much service. The Fox 2.0s would probably the right choice between the two choices you were looking at though.
Can you guys do a solid axle HD truck shock recommendation video? I’m trying to get that “pillowy” on road/ slow speed off-road. Not doing any high speed off-roading here in south Florida. It’s a 2023 F250.
Cant recommend the Carli Commuter/backcountry kit enough for that, have ran it on our own 2020 Ram 2500 and the response was great on the easy stuff and daily drive
@ShockSurplus how about on a Denali 2500HD? 2016 and newer models? With out removing the torsion bars
What would be the best option for 2024 Tundra? It’s my daily live in the city but plan to go off-roading 1-2 times a month
Out of these 3? If you like a sportier ride / tighter handling, Icon is our preference, plus its a bit more budget friendly in their stage 1 kits. Otherwise the 2.5 Fox Performance Elite with dual adjustment is preferred over Kings (90 day warranty).
Thanks for the Great info, any experience with dobinsons and are they comparable to these?
Dobinsons is comparable with their 2.5 in shocks, in terms of capabilities, their materials do differ quite a bit, along with service intervals. We'll dive deeper into Dobinsons soon!
Whats the best off race shocks/coilover for a car?
For a 6 inch lift rock crawling what would be better on 2500 ram diesel 2022
2023 F150 Tremor with a supercharger what setup do you recommend for the additional power? I won't be off road much but I do want to level the front with a coil over setup. Thanks
I would definitely be leaning towards either a Fox with a Dual Speed Compression adjuster or something Digressive like the Icon. The low speed compression adjustment on the Fox will allow you to tune sway or weight transfer separate of bump stiffness. The Icon is digressive in valving so will naturally be a little firmer on low speed and will have less sway than a more traditional linear shock like the king. We are currently running our Bronco with the low speed compression adjusters maxed out and even with around 3" of lift and 37" tires it handles as good or better than a lot of stock cars let alone trucks or SUVs.
Awesome video! Would be very interesting to see a comparison of the Ohlins shocks on a Wrangler and compare it against these brands. Keep up the good work!
We'd love to test some Ohlins, haven't been on a set of those since the motorcycle track days
Looking in the market for a truck and i saw a 2020 trd off road on 2.5 kings shocks. Really dont go hardcore off-road but i wonder is it good for a daily driven shock? Im just researching now because if i get the truck i dont want to replace it every 50 to 60 k miles everything in California to expensive so im still searching for truck and not committed to that truck just yet. Looks nice lifted.
They are a great comfortable option but if you are just taking it easy and do not need all the additional performance of a shock like that, you probably will want to go with something that does not require as much service and lasts longer like a Bilstein, Eibach, Dobinsons, or even OME
I have a 23 f-150 stx which one would you recommend. Im new to this world and would like to keep the factory ride
I'm gonna need to shoehorn some in my Honda Passport.
How is this shock different from a full coilover?
So realistically, for an extremely comfortable ride for highway and around town, what are we looking at? 550lbs springs with consumer choice of shock brand?
There is not one size fits all spring rate whatsoever. It all comes down to vehicle weight, suspension design, and use case. A 550 lb spring might work great on the front of a light weight independent front suspension vehicle, but might be too much spring rate for something almost double the weight with a solid axle. If you want max comfort then Kings are usually the softest of the bunch.
I got a 2004 tundra limited complete stock looking to build a Go anywhere and everywhere truck for overland,beach bum ,back country/off-grid ,camping ,daily driver,cross country, 50% on road 55% off -road looking to do a 2inch lift or leveling kit no sure the difference and a high clearance Baja bumper upfront with a winch maybe and roof rack with gear and roof top tent and be able to have strength to tow a trailer with a car here and there if I have to Don’t want to spend too much money and change a lot of parts because I know once you change more parts it’s more maintenance and more likely stuff is to break any suggestions please send them my way thank you can’t wait to get started maybe you’ll see me on RUclips one of these days building it up 😂✅
We immediately think about the Bilstein 6112 + 5160 setup on that vehicle, fantastic price for a 2.5 front shock and springs, would handle all the gear / load, and perform great in the terrain of choice. Another good one is the Icon stage 2 kit that comes with new rear leafs
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@@ShockSurplus Thank you appreciate it a lot ✅tundra build coming soon ❗️❗️❗️
Will the King or Fox coil coilovers fit a 2024 f150 powerboast with ccd suspension?
Which brand provides the best parts list?
Fox has the best 'list' per say in terms of cataloging their parts list. King has an equal, if not bigger, list of available parts since they're custom order program is more robust - but its not easy to navigate whats available there. Icon has the essentials to rebuild their shocks.
@@ShockSurplus Icon seams very closed on how they do business.
Hello, I have got a simple question. Which produce is best of the world ?
They all have their pros and cons, cant comment on 'one best shock' without knowing more details.
I want to put a top notch suspension under my 23 Crosstrek. I need advice.
It just so happens we're currently helping on the suspension side of things with @american_overland and @katethejeep (on IG) with their new builds. One is getting Ironman, one is getting Rallitek+Bilstein, and one of them may see Flatout Suspension's setup, which could be awesome. We dont have any real experience except comparing the stock ride to Bilstein. Bilstein is going to feel tighter than the factory setups on these Crosstreks/Foresters. We'll have a good impression of Ironman's setup in a couple weeks.
@ShockSurplus I am leaning towards flatout but for this kind of $ I want to be sure. Looking forward to the vids.
Do y’all have any opinions on the Rough Country vertex reservoir shocks and coil overs?
No opinion based on experience. We've seen the breakdown of their components and internals, look like they're *heavily inspired* by Fox 2.5 factory series
@@ShockSurplus would be Interesting to see a direct comparison between the fox 2.5 factory series and the rough country vertex 2.5, like you said they are super similar
So now that we are looking at 3.0 shock diameters with kings, has there been any considerations to try an IBP coilover? It would be able to tune out the bottom out you’re talking about in a lot easier install than a hydro bump stop would be. While also keeping that cloudy feel at normal ride hight.
Certainly, King is really the only option for most apps for a 3.0 IBP - that setup is in the queue for our Tacoma to test after the Bilstein 8112DSA+
What would you recommend for the 2023 GMC Sierra Single Cab (SLE). Which shocks and control arms?
It really comes down to how you are using it, your budget and your goals. Give our sales team a shout on our website with some more details about what you want from your suspension and we can definitely steer you in the right direction. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us
9:40 we actually dont have to worry about that
What about Tara flex “falcon”?
they're great shocks, but in the same category as these
Nice job, thanks
hope it helps!
2020 Ford F350 Tremor with a flatbed and pop up camper. 16.5 Warren Winch and aluminum buckstop front bumper. Going to spend some time in Latin America with the rig. Which brand?
Icon or Fox would definitely be the way to go once you get dialed in on a good spring combination. The Fox will definitely be a touch more comfortable at lower speeds, but the Icon will handle the weight better and offer more stability.
Why don’t the king shocks for the 1st Tacoma have a remote Res ?
The real reason is the market on these trucks is shrinking pretty quick. They are able to get the performance 99% of their buyers want without a reservoir, and there are not enough first gen Taco owners left that will actually buy a bolt on coilover with a reservoir for their trucks. We only sell a handful of Icon or Fox 2.5s with reservoirs a year for 1g Taco / 3g T4R so I just do not think King wants to spend the time and money on development for such a small market. In fact, the only real reason why Icon and Fox have anything is that they released those parts when those cars were still in production, however, we are even seeing Fox start to discontinue some parts for these trucks.
How would you say Elka compares to these?
Haven't ridden on Elka, so we cant comment currently.
My buddy put Elkas on his Tacoma, we went out to Barstow and he switched over to Kings when we got back.
Just tell me one two three’s in order which is the best
icon best for handling, king best for comfort, fox best for value (price to performance)
Id try any of them im about to take my oem front shocks out and ill probably go with fox just becouse i have fox 2.0 in the rear already .
Fox 2.0 are a reliable upgrade, great comfort
@@ShockSurplus I have the 2.0 rear shocks .
How a bout vid about.. example Fox on front and Bilstein rear?..
Definitely not a set up we generally recommend, but we get this question a lot so it may be a video we consider. If only to explain why it is not the best idea. Both Fox and Bilstein usually develop their dampers as a complete set and they usually are pretty darn far apart in terms of valving, so it usually really upsets the balance of the vehicle a whole bunch.
Can we use kings shocks for bullet proof revo Hilux having weight of 3400 kg
You could, yes. Would benefit from a custom tune for the extra weight.
Sean, thanks for the info. What is the benefit for paying the extra $$ to include UCAs with a 2.0 or 2.5 Coilover levelling kit?
When you go higher on the front of an IFS vehicle using coilovers, at about 2.5-3" of lift starts to throw the alignment off to a level that normal methods have a hard time getting aligned, due to angle of the arm and ball joint that affects the steering knuckle. With new arms, it restores the angles to the ball joint and steering knuckle interaction, allowing easier alignment. Another benefit is keeping all the droop travel intact without making contact with the shock tower.
@@ShockSurplus Installing Billstein 6112 kit on a 21' F150 with only 22k miles...90% highway driving, on a budget, i'm having a hard time justifying the extra $800+ for ICON tubular UCAs. What's your suggestion?
So the bottom line KING is still the king of shocks !
So what would be the best option for a 2023 gmc 3500 diesel that’s on pavement 90% of the time and off road only when there’s off road recoveries?
From everything we hear from customers, the Fox 2.0 is the most budget friendly shock to help those trucks in terms of comfort and trail chatter
Icon is probably the best for on and off road and the adjustment is easiest. Fox live valves are nice but look to be only oem option like on raptor but correc tme if im wrong.
The Icon CDCV adjuster is probably just as easy to adjust as the Kings however the Fox adjuster is the far superior option without a doubt. Fox only offers live valve shock upgrades for vehicles like Raptors that already have live valve, but we can upgrade any of these brands with a set of SDI universal reservoirs for full electronic control
@@ShockSurplus icon has electronic control now too but not a lot of info on website
Yup definitely a game changer for them, however from what we have gathered the SDI systems are a little smarter and better integrated. Although we love the Icon app
Looking for an opinion on my 21 tundra with a 350lb camper on it and about 200lbs of gear. Ive been on the fence about either the icon stage 10 or the fox 2.5/3.0 with deaver leaf springs. Any opinions on this? Moderate trails and daily driver.
The Icon setups have been great for us and carrying those constant loads, specifically our Tacoma where we ran stage 8 with the RXT rear system, loved it. You'd be very happy in the Stage 10 CDEV kit, especially because the rear shocks are tuned to those RXT leafs, and include rebound adjustment.
www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-3-suspension-system-stage-10-tubular-kit-for-2007-2020-toyota-tundra-4wd-rwd-k53030t
Fox and Deaver would still be solid, especially with the new rear performance elite system, but there's no 3.0 option.
Nice video explaining in detail
Glad it was helpful!
Whats the best shock for a 2015 GMC sierra 2500 HD for mostly road use ?
If its mostly offroad use, such as lease roads or construction sites, etc, then we'd recommend Eibach pro truck. They're similar to Fox in the comfort department, but will last much longer. Another good option depending on your budget are the Fox 2.5 Performance Elite, since you can adjust the firmness of the shock depending on terrain/speeds.
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How expensive is it to convert the icon 2.5 with reservoirs non adjustable, into adjustable dampening ones
The upgrade kits on their own usually run $700-900 for a complete set depending on application and we charge $175 a shock for the install.
What is a good set up for an 07 FJ that is lightly off roaded but mostly a street daily driver? Not looking for much of a lift maybe 2 inches but want a better ride.
Checkout the Eibach pro truck setup, one of our recent favorites, pretty forgiving ride but still in control. If you want a lot more comfort and dont want to blow too much money, the Fox 2.0 snap rings in front, and normal fox 2.0 ifp in the rear is a good option
Which one would you recommend between ICON and KINGS for daily use on the road and sometimes in the UAE desert?
For 2022 Fj Cruiser
Really both will work great. If you prefer tighter handling go with the Icon otherwise if you want the most plushest ride possible go King
I have a 2021 Toyota Tundra 1794 what shocks/coilovers can you recommend for daily commute with lots of potholes here in NYC , towing 2 dirtbikes driving up to trails. I want something comfortable not bouncy. Thanks
A Fox, King, or Icon might not be for you but a set of Eibach Pro Truck sports or even their 2.0 coilovers would more than do the trick www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-stage-2r-coilover-kit-front-coilovers-rear-reservoir-shocks-e86-82-067-02-22
Aluminum shock bodies are a huge disadvantage. They fail far quicker. Would be lucky to get 2 years of use out of them on a daily driver. Its a consumer level disposable product.
What's the best suspension upgrade for a 2020 4Runner TRD PRO from the OEM FOX TRD PRO suspension? 🤔 trying to get a 3inch lift. Fully loaded 4runner, front steel bumper, full skids back bumper and drawer system. GFC RTT. 295/70/17 wheels.
Heavy Load spec Bilstein 8112s with their 8100 rear shocks would be a great option
any performance shocks and struts for minivans?
negative, or at least not that we're aware of. Grab Bilstein, they're a sporty shock you could get on there
To me... U shud compare these shock and all these things to those base shock on trucks... so all of us can understand better what u say🤗👍 it does not mean "nothing" if u just compare tose example shucks together of your company..
We do that on all of our vehicle-specific shock guides. We always start our testing with stock so we have a fair reference.
@@ShockSurplus thanks 👍 And moore eibach??!
Already done! 3 of us actually ran Eibachs at the same time on our different rigs and we already have a video up talking about them: ruclips.net/video/XQDstVzoZo8/видео.html&pp=ygUUc2hvY2sgc3VycGx1cyBlaWJhY2g%3D
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 📺 Introducción al tema de comparación entre King Shocks, Fox Shocks e Icon Shocks.
01:04 🚗 Experiencia personal del presentador probando diferentes tipos de amortiguadores en varios vehículos.
01:45 🧰 Enfoque en la información técnica sobre amortiguadores, ajustes y características de cada marca.
02:52 🛠️ Comparación de los pistones de amortiguadores de King, Fox e Icon en términos de puertos de compresión y rebote.
03:49 🌀 Importancia del ajuste de los resortes de bobina para influir en la calidad del viaje y el comportamiento del vehículo.
05:07 🌟 Diferencias clave entre amortiguadores digresivos y lineales, y su impacto en el manejo y la comodidad en carretera.
06:17 💪 Recomendaciones sobre la elección de amortiguadores según el peso y las necesidades del vehículo.
07:24 🏎️ Discusión sobre la optimización de amortiguadores King para velocidades medias y terrenos rugosos.
08:40 🤖 Ventajas de los amortiguadores Fox Performance Elite con ajuste de alta velocidad y capacidad de afinación personalizada.
10:12 📊 Comparación de materiales y características de cuerpo de amortiguadores entre las marcas.
11:49 🏞️ Objetivos de rendimiento comunes entre las marcas: soporte a velocidades medias y uso off-road.
13:11 🛣️ Experiencia personal con amortiguadores Icon, destacando su manejo en carretera y off-road.
14:55 🛢️ Comparación de aceites de amortiguadores y su resistencia a altas temperaturas.
16:17 🛠️ Observaciones sobre la facilidad de servicio de amortiguadores Icon en comparación con otras marcas.
17:10 📅 Estado actual de la disponibilidad de amortiguadores de las diferentes marcas en el mercado.
17:55 🙋 Invitación a los espectadores a compartir comentarios y preguntas, promoviendo una perspectiva imparcial.
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Great vid!
Has anyone ever ran 600lb 14" coil springs on ICON shocks for a Tacoma? I am curious if this would help them ride softer than the 650lb 13" springs that come on them.
yep, been done many times, and it does help on the comfort side of things
I have stock out of the box Kings non resivor on the front of my 01 Tacoma and it’s a little firmer then it used to be with All Pro 550lb coil over. Do i need to change the spring from a 600lb to a 550lb or do i need the valving changed from stock?
If it is stock weight I would consider stepping down to a 550 first and then getting it valved later if you are unhappy. Most companies use a 500-550 lb spring on the first gens like yours, so a 600 should definitely be a little much.
All are great, but kings are best imo
Well explained, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve got the icon 3.0 Coilovers on my 2014 Ford Raptor , I hav experienced a jittering or bouncing of the front end on highway speeds , it’s seems like the shock is sensitive to any slight distortions on the road and it’s a bit annoying , is this normal nature of the shock ? . Experienced in 37psi and 40 PSI shock adjustments out of the box never touched them.
It is hard to diagnose without actually driving the truck but the first place I would start is the CDCV adjusters if you have not touched them from how they are out of the box
@@ShockSurplus I’ll try to do that , should I try to dial them to lower setting towards (softer side of dial) ?
what you reccomend for my rAM 2014 2500 AWD I WANT TO RACE WITH IT ON AND OFF ROAD
Sounds like a Carli Dominator kit with King 3.0s would be right up your alley. We have had that set up on the Power Wagon for a while now and it really makes an 7500 lb 3/4 ton truck feel like a little midsize on and off the road. If you want it to feel tight on the road though, I would definitely recommend adding on their Torsion sway bar. It makes the front end much more predictable and really keeps the cab flat if you ever find yourself crawling up something that will have you flexed out.
Thank you so much for a ton of good information ..!!
Our pleasure!