Resident Evil 4 - Linear Game Design Done Right
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2021
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If an RE game is gonna be linear, it needs well crafted combat. RE4 nails it.
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Oh dude, I played RE4 through twice in the past 3 days on the wii. You're incredibly right, many scenarios place a pressure to move forward in its design. However I felt a similar feeling of "oh my god, widen my field of view" and "seriously, that's how fast you move" to the game. As much as I loved it at the time, playing it on the Wii made me want to rip my hair out due to the controller and the way the camera worked with the controller. It's not bad, it was ahead of its time but games have refined it since then. The gameplay is still linear but rewarding, constantly pushing you forward throught action pressure
Oh and you forgot that we're introduced to "shooting blue medallions". It's not big but it forces us to look around our locations to identify Spirals (or whatever their called). Sure we would have seen them regardless, but it introduces us to look vertically to find treasures and that's reinforced with the tunnel we walk through with the gem encrusted overhead.
Treasure canbe found here, don't forget that
Just wondering if you’ve played Daymare 1998, which is an old school style survival horror
What's the song at the start of the video?
Resident Evil 4 is too powerful cause just seeing that Red-9 reload gets me every time out of pure nostalgia
and the rifle too
That bolt action rifle reload *chef's kiss*
Can see and hear the reload animation in my head, it's just that good
That damn Red-9 reload always makes me tilt my head to the right once the clip is ejected...to this day I still don't know why this happens to me haha.
Hell yeah
It seems Capcom is good at recognizing when things are successful, but bad at recognizing *why* something is successful.
Honestly. Thats completely true. Its the same with the battlefield devs. They openly admitted. That bad company 2 is probably the best or in the 3 of the series but said we still can not figure out exactly why. They try new and old ideas in new and old contexts to verrying success. Some games just are really lightning in a bottle. And devs spend decades wondering how. And the games after are simply them making educated guessing on what works and what we want along with needing to bring in enough new.
This is sth common with all companies and developers nowadays
@@forgottenredemption4970 Bad Company 2 really was amazing! Battlefield 4 was pretty damn good too. At first not so much. But they added SOOOOooo much content. And for being on console it is INCREDIBLY IMPRESSIVE the amount of options for customization there are!!! SERIOUSLY. I've NEVER seen a game come ANYWHERE NEAR the amount of options you have for customization on your UI and controls. You can basically do ANYTHING you want with your HUD and controls. I remember spending LITERALLY HOURS messing with my settings alone. The Quality of Life options are ASTOUNDING.
@@forgottenredemption4970 it’s not a mystery so why the fuck can’t they figure it out
They’re also bad at acknowledging cult classics that would make bank now.
RE4 was one of those games that benefited greatly from the fact that game development was still in the wild west as far as scope was concerned, so Mikami and his team got pretty much all the leeway in the world to throw in absolutely everything they could think of to create the game we know and love today. Ninja Gaiden was very much the same way in that regard. These days? Yeah, I can't imagine a producer signing off stuff like the split path chapter in the village portion, and other sections in the game.
If you think about it, RE4's level/encounter design has a lot in common with Nintendo platformers. Nearly every fight has a unique twist or gimmick that makes it memorable all within the confines of the core mechanics. And those gimmicks are explored and then discarded to make way for the next idea, ala Yoshi's Island, DKC2, etc. People always talk about how Mario Galaxy plays around with an idea for a level then throws it out for a new one. How every level has a unique mechanic or gimmick etc. That’s RE4. The whole game is just a long series of “rooms” with entirely unique and self contained encounters in each.
Damn, I actually never noticed it but it is comparative to a Nintendo platformer. Re4's greatest strength is how aracedey it is. I can totally see myself going to a local arcade with a pocket full of quarters to play re4. Being surprised by each new stage and dying and dying, putting more and more coins in, but learning and getting further each time until I'm a master and show off to my friends how I can get through with a single life. Damn. I miss old school gaming like this so bad. Which is why its so important to preserve these games.
all goes back to the core of the game, why is a game made, before games were more artistic pursues, or had some passion involved, or a vision, and idea, something like that, there was a real reason those game directors wanted to make a game, because back there games didn't made you stupid rich, nowadays, games are just a formula, a set number of steps to replicate something succesful and make a shit ton of money, and get people interested so they can repeat the formula, infinite money glitch
4:26 _"As the world opens up into this gorgeous landscape"_
*->fog and brown cliffs literally everywhere*
That is pretty funny
Yeah, RE4 is great and may have even been technically impressive for the time but I don't understand how you can describe it as gorgeous. Visual design is not RE4's strength, let's be real here lmao. Some areas inside the castle stand out, for sure, but overall... meh.
I died when he said this. Literally the ugliest RE game.
@@amarntsitran3406 RE4 Remake with the RE8 engine would be amazing, but I wonder if the RE8 engine can handle so many enemies at the same time.
As opposed to the gorgeous castle in RE8 where there's oftentimes literally nothing to do. Apart from run away from the huge invincible Lady D who is totally immune to all your weapons.
2:11
Mayo: "Villagers that throw sticks of dynamite at you"
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There are exceptions, but 95% of the time in Resi4, you're controlling Leon from a third person, over the shoulder perspective and your main form of interacting with the world is pointing and shooting... yet it still manages to have so much variety due to great level and combat design. In my opinion, that's gameplay variety done right. The core mechanics remain the same, but the environment or enemies change. The kind of gameplay variety I despise is when say, all your weapons are taken away from you and you're forced to walk down long boring hallways with zero threats, scripted cinematic sequences, or god damn vehicle or turret sections.
On rails turret sections are an actual sin of game design lmao. I don't think I've ever enjoyed a single one of those.
@@amarntsitran3406 they were cool when i was a kid because i felt like a badass but that’s about it😂
You also forget the body limb targeting system. An effective way to get an opponent into a weakened state and finish them with the melee
I'd say Blood Dragon 2013 did Turret Sections right. Best Far Cry game. Shame it belongs to soulless Ubisoft and we'll likely never see a game like that from them again.
@@Gruntvc Sometimes i forget Blood Dragon is from Ubi, such a good game
Next video: analyzing the faltering system in RE 4
Honestly, wouldnt be a bad video. Probably not very long but hey
Blows my mind that RE4 restarted development in only 2003 and was released in early 2005 considering the level of creativity going on. Either they reused buttloads of scrapped content from earlier iterations, or Mikami and his team are just that good.
Third person shooter games still fall short of RE4's glory one way or another. Whether it be the encounter design, level design, gameplay loop, pacing, enemy variety, boss fights, replayability, etc. Some games may have surpassed it in certain aspects, but none of them deliver such a fun and complete package as RE4. I feel confident in saying that this game will continue to go unchallenged in its genre as modern design trends and the rigors of modern development put a ceiling on what's realistically possible. It's a special game from a special team.
Yeah.... so many of modern "next-gen" games are so ruled and trapped by technology and trends and using technology just cuz they can, rather than ruling the technology itself and using it to help the game experience. The devs said they tried to make RE8 as "immersive" as possible but it's not nearly as immersive of a vibe as RE1 remake or RE4. It's "immersion" as in fake pseudo-VR firstperson perspective which is different from immersion as in true emotional, visual/aural, psychological immersion into the character/story and game atmosphere. VR games should really be their own category cuz this new trend of having VR-style perspective is detracting from the true cinematic potential of next-gen games. This is why so many people really dislike that Cyberpunk is in ONLY first-person, including cutscenes. There's none of that true directorial-cinematic storytelling experience. Just Hardcore Henry gimmick vibe. Gets unappealing fast.
Totally off topic but I would love to hear Mayo talk about his love for Silent Hill
Sh2 is my 2nd fav game of all time!
Someday. That's a big project.
@@underthemayo I wonder if you have played P.T
@@lalitendudas9401 mine is the first one, especially for the soundtracks
@@underthemayo Don't forget incase complaints about the controls are mentioned that there's an option to not use tank controls in the options menu. (2D and 3D)
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RE4 is platinum standard for memorable encounters. Almost every single fight i can recall after thinking for about 10 seconds. Each one has some sort of gimmick to it, some even more than one. All this with not a whole lot of enemy variety on a per encounter basis. Iteration on intentional design is super important for pacing and memorability.
almost like hl2 with every encounter having a gimmick
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Man, Resident evil 4 really don't need a Remake, is perfect the way it is
A VR version on the Quest 2 could be the thing that improve it over the original.
They can remake it but keep it the same... which we know they wont aka they gonna fucc it up
@@pluto40433 They did good with re2. But why tf did they just have to rush the re3 remake?
@@DeathLore dude re3 was lowkey my favorite one and THEY BUTCHERED EM. re2 is pretty damn good I forgot to even mention it 😂🙈
@@DeathLore For me, the Remake that is really good is the one for the first game, that is the same game made again but better and has more things that the original, and was directed by Shinji Mikami, the creator of Resident Evil, is a shame that he left the company, but man, his last work in there was incredible, he is the reason we have the Remake of the first game and Resident Evil 4 the way we know it today
Re4 is easily the best because of the chainsaw controller
The only good thing about the game
@@xipetotek8216 what are you smoking re4 is up there with the best games ever made
@@neiloconnor7776 he’s joking
(i hope)
@@neiloconnor7776 it is the best
RE4 is linear but it does have more exploration compared to other shooters of the third person variety. It is amazing how much Half Life 2 and RE4 keeps throwing new stuff at the player.
I think my main problem with RE Village is not how linear the game is (though that is part of it) but rather how linearly the objectives are set up. The 4 bosses you must fight in the game are all lords under Mother Miranda, but you have to kill each of them independantly, one after another. I think it would have been a lot more interesting, and cooler had the game's entire map just been the Village and Castle Dmistrescu, with the 4 main villains each inhabiting different parts of the castle, and working together to take down the player, instead of competing to be the Mother's favorite.
Then the game could be both open world and more terrifying. Lady Dmistrescu could patrol the castle as a constant threat, Benevento could keep the player on edge in certain parts of the castle with hallucination scares and by taking away your weapons, and Heisenberg could constantly patrol the surrounding village and forest, capable of buffing lichens. Then they could all be a threat, and you could still explore the castle in a non-linear way.
@@smugplush True, the boss fights in the game would still have to happen at scripted intervals to prevent the game from becoming a mess, but I still think it would be cool for multiple indestructible enemies to be a threat at once. It would be a cool new direction for RE, and fit with story.
I don't feel open world would work for RE survival action horror. Much better to have a truly streamlined and specific progression that controls exactly the atmospheric and visual/aural experience to really seep you into the energy of the atmosphere. Otherwise it's just running around with big gaps in tension/atmospheric progression. Keep open world for Skyrim and RPGs
That sounds AWESOME!!
@@soulpath1 Not that kinda of open world... Just look at the classic Re3, that map was semi open
@@soulpath1 hell no.. Why that all worked with the first Resident evil game and especially Remake. Backtracking is the key of this franchise and thats the thing what made Resident evil so succesful in the first place. I playd the first RE game when i was 9 years old with PS1 and from that day i have been waiting they would makeba game like that again.. First remake is outstanding and easily the best game from them all and RE4 comes second best but the truth is that RE4 basicly destroyd the who franchise what it was and after that it was straight downfall before RE7 and Village but still they couldnt do it like it is supposed to do.. Maybe RE9 will be that game and i really hope so.
I love that RE4 is still relevant for today, the replayability of this game is really high if you're looking to improve more. The fact that you can do plenty of challenges for yourself in this game, keeps me coming back from time to time. Even when I've played this game since 2007. Not to mention the cheesy dialogues xddd, definitely one of the best games I've ever played.
"where's everyone goin? Bingo?" .....*cue title card RESIDENT EVIL 4*
The amount of self-imposed challenges you can perform in RE4 is INSANE. Couple that with a fantastic enemy encounter, the Mercenaries mode (basically a game within a game) and a satisfying, impactful, well-crafted combat and you have one of the most content rich games in the industry. I can't properly put into words how high the replay value of this title is. I love it the same way I love my family, no hiperbole.
@@Neathyr Eh, I definitely like RE4 but I really haven't returned to it much outside of the first couple initial playthroughs back when I was obsessed with it as a teenager. The enemy encounters become pretty laughable once you get used to reliably getting melee followups due to the invincibility frames they offer, which gets stale when you consider RE4's impressive length. The Garradors and Regenerators are really the only two enemies where your standard "eat lead" approach doesn't really work and forcing you play around that, hence why they're typically the most memorable encounters outside of the boss fights for most people. By the time RE4 starts throwing enemies with gatling guns at you, you already know any creative depth found in the combat system had been milked dry at that point.
Self imposed challenges to make replays more interesting can be said for a lot of games but shouldn't be on the onus of the player, and outside of creative stuff like randomizers, most are just "play the game with this dumb arbitrary restriction".
I think the genius design of RE4 is that each room in the game has it's own feel and character to it, each is a unique set piece with encounters and enemy layouts that make each one a interesting.
3:05 “after that, theres a boss fight with Mar-a-lago”
Del lago: “I’m about to make this village great again”
Leon: “no thanks, bro!”
I didn't get that joke, honestly 🤔
XD
@@DamianSabre he called the lake monster Del Lago “mar-a-lago” on accident, and mar-a-lago is trump’s resort in florida
@@mattmas6628 lmaooooo That's amazing
Is Shinji Mikami the secret ingredient that 4 had during development, that Village didn't?
probably a big reason :(
maybe a big part, but as someone who wanted re8 to capture the amazingness of re7's baker estate, and re7 wasn't directed by shinji mikami, I still thought re8 was bad. So even people besides shinji mikami made decent games (ignore re7's boat) I just don't want another re game directed by morimasa sato
Doubt it, re4 is a lighting in a bottle type of situation, Shinji Mikami tried to recreate it with The Evil Within and failed miserably
To me, there are three quintessential Resident Evil games.
Resident Evil 1 Remake: The best survival horror adventure game
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis: The best fixed camera action horror game
Resident Evil 4: The best linear action horror game
Coincidentally, those are also my top three Resident Evil titles. For my personal list, I would also add Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles as my favorite RE spinoff game.
@Mark Cobuzzi
I've yet to play Darkside Chronicles, but I have heard good things about it.
Resident Evil 7 should be there somewhere.
@@leonpaelinck not really, RE7 is just a flawed effort of trying to relive the glory of these older titles
Excellent video, there is a reason RE4 is revered even after the rose glasses come off.
I hate when people say I “overrate RE4 due to nostalgia”. Lmao RE4 is not a game I have nostalgia for. RE5 is the nostalgic one for me
Lol I think it is funny though, I played through every re game this year. I really didn't find re4 that great. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
People use "nostalgia" as a way to quickly dismiss other people’s opinions even if they are valid.
@@BigBossHayabusa boulder punching is a fine art
but i also have nostalgia for it due to coop with my cousins
@@aaronwright6891 not every game is for every one but re4 had a massive influence on games like dead space and gears of war.
BABE, MAYO UPLOADED THE RE4 VID
RE4 aged with grace.
Its a game with imagination. You always gotta appreciate a game that chooses to do something new, even if its not the best at it.
(not saying RE4 sucks, it definitely was a pretty fun and rewarding shooter)
@@TheChocoboRacer Yeah. It’s still one of the best games to this day.
@@ethanmorel2746 Ehhhh I wouldn't go that far. The art-style was definitely a little bland, among other issues that hold it back
@@TheChocoboRacer Yeah. But hey, the game is still great.
@@ethanmorel2746 RE 4 took the horror out of the franchise. It’s like the Fast and Furious 5 of the franchise. It wasn’t about racing but now over the top action. Leon doing wrestling and matrix moves
RE: 4 is probably one of my favorite of the series. I personally played it on the wii, and had a blast with it.
It is bizarre to me tho that the wii version of RE4 looks more pixelated than the gamecube version for some reason.
@@jimit.4220 I heard that is because they lost some source code. Not sure if it is true, but it would explain some of the graphical differences.
@@aaronwright6891 but that wouldn't really make sense because other rereleases of the game don't have this effect.
@@aaronwright6891 Ah I found it, apparently it has something to do with the game being 4:3, but in widescreen the game just zooms in to fill the screen. This makes the graphics look worse.
@@jimit.4220 That makes a lot more sense. Thanks!
Man RE4 just did everything right it really deserves all the praise that it gets I pray they don’t mess it up too bad with the remake
*How To Disable a Bear Traps in RE4
Mayo : shoot it with a gun😂
Shove Ethan's hands in it
Step on them
@@JV-km9xk That would be the Dimitrescu way
@@GerNomico Bruh 😂
Both re4 and re4 remake are great games. More such games should be developed.
I'm imagining mayo reading his script which is rife with run-on sentences
Best guy to talk about the Game mechanics in the entire RUclips
"Adam Millard - The Architect of Games" is the best, buy Mayo is coming up with the silver medal.
@@AT-ck1tl really let me see him then, thanks bye the way for recommending.
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@@jonathand.4088 I'll brother.
I was so stunned while playing Resident Evil 4, that this game from 2006(?) was so well-balanced, and progressed in such a masterful way, slowly ramping up and throwing new ideas at you whether it be areas, mechanics, weapons and enemies, so you never feel too powerful, but never feel clueless either.
It's a perfect example of how something so linear can be this engaging and replayable. No wonder people say it holds up so well.
Me: I actually love both RE4 and RE Village
Everyone: But no one cares what you like
Me: Yeah...
What made you enjoy RE Village?
@@Orange_Swirl I liked the villains. I know they’re underwhelming but I still had a lot of fun
@@Orange_Swirl Well let me be clear and say that RE4 is still definitely better than RE Village, no doubt about that, Village has flaws here and there but overall i definitely still really like the game. Now my first playthrough was on Hardcore and of course that first survive the lycans encounter really kicked my ass, probably died more than 10 times and almost took me an hour to get through it, i didn't hate it though and actually love that part, it made me realize how the rest of the game is gonna go down. I realize i will need to be careful with the rest of the combat encounters since i was always so low on ammo, enemies took tons of bullets to kill and they can kill you in a couple of hits, every fight became extremely intense and that's how it became a survival horror game to me. This feeling went throughout the entire game and made the combat encounters extremely enjoyable to me.
Also yeah i really do like the story and characters, I'm also a sucker for father saving their kid stories and really love Ethan as a character, he's so normal and generic, it became endearing when compared to all the other colorful characters in the RE series, he tries so hard to make one liners that it becomes so bad that it goes around to being actually funny. Also really like the villains with how colorful and eccentric they are, just wish some had more screen time like with Donna Beneviento.
@@biguy223 I actually do like Ethan too for the same reasons you mentioned.
@@biguy223 it is like you took all my feeling about the game and wrote them down. I do wish the villains had more time, but they would need to make the game longer for that. I wouldn't want them to take away anything that was already there.
Request: Can you not call bad elements lazy? Lack of thought, or maybe misplaced priorities is generally the reason for the sloppy design.
Calling things 'lazy' is just a thing I notice you do. I just feel its very misplaced because these teams are usually over-worked and over-managed.
I'm not defending the design work (I have not played the game), I'm just saying 'Slapdash' or 'underdeveloped' are better words to describe this stuff, even if you are being emotional.
Love the content. :)
It is lazy. They didn't care in the slightest about the flow of their gameplay. Partly cause it's hard to do. And partly because they wanted to water down the experience for a general audience. The artists aren't lazy. The weapon designers aren't lazy. The people who work are not lazy. The people in CHARGE are.
@@underthemayo Where you in the room with them when they were designing it? I'm not saying it's impossible they utterly did not care about game-flow, but you're attributing a lot of motives to something you were not there for.
In addition, even if the design was to intentionally simplify it for greater appeal, that still is not laziness. I find that misguided, but again - not lazy.
Again, I'm not throwing out some defense of Village. This is just my personal bugaboo when people call things lazy, when it game development, especially at the AAA stage, it's nigh impossible for something to happen without hours of intentional design work (simplifying, even if I agree is misguided, is still something that requires a lot of work).
For instance, I personally feel Prey (the modern one) runs out of juice and becomes too easy about 3/5ths into the game. But I wouldn't say it was because of 'laziness' on the developer's side.
Here's something interesting. Compare The Evil Within games with new RE games (especially RE Village) & RE4. tbh, I found TEW to have way more replayability than most people ought to realized. Akuma difficulty is continue to be hardest imo. How interesting also that TEW2 actually have open world-ish levels where players have multiple objectives to do or not do.
The Evil Within... MASSIVELY under-rated.
The Evil Within felt like a truly modern take on survival horror. Really hope to see more from that series.
Boss fight with MarALago 💀
Ethan was savage in RE 8 but still nowhere on the level of "Sadler you are a small-time" Leon
That is a too nostalgic way at looking and comparing the two games. RE Village also takes you every hour and represents something new. You are in the village with lycans attacking you at the first place. Then you get a puzzle to open the castle doors.
You go to the castle. Before the castle you get a introduction to the 4 lords. You fight 3 mini boses (like the sea monster and the stone man in RE4), you fight Lady D.
You go back to the village, have new sections to explore in the village.
You go to Donna and it will scare the shit out of you.
You visit the ugliest man and have a water section.
You visit the lycans den
You visit Heisenberg
You have a action sequence with Chris
You fight Miranda.
I understand your points. But my first playthrough was never boring. Whether in RE4. But I played through Village more than RE4. I like both games though.
Yea i have to agree here as well.
Yes I like Village. It did good enough for Capcom to be able to make re9
You missed one.
You running around chasing chickens, pigs, fish and goats.
@Rick Ross hahahahah no
@Rick Ross my opinion is different then yours there for you must not actually play the games...
Given how the RE2 remake was I wonder how a RE4 remake would be.
Hopefully not as botched as RE3 remake
Honestly what's the point, the only reason why they remade RE2 and (failed to) remake RE3 was so you could experience the game with modern graphics and controls, there already are remastered versions of 4 that basically control like most other games anyways.
If it's fail, we still have RE4. as graphics, the HD project mod basically save the whole thing.
i don’t even know what’d they change anyway outside of graphics and QOL changes like weapon keybindings. If it was that shit thatd be nice but i don’t see why they’d even go through the trouble.
@@TheMissinLink The perfect scenario would be still the same thing 100%, with RE2R/RE3R gameplay scheme & maybe auto QTA options for some scenes, new guns, & then have more/longer campaign for Ada. Also maybe a surprise new DLC campaign of Hunk or Krauser or shooting gallery challenge DLC. I mean, I still like Leon kicking zombies until its flying, they should keep that somehow lol
Hell, I honestly wouldn't mind if they keep the VAs, sounds, & musics still the same.
If they don’t rush re4:r like they did with re3:r then we can be good.
One of my favorite RUclipsrs talking about one of my favorite games. I didn't know Christmas came this early in the year.
This game's mechanics are simple but each one is _useful._ It blows my mind that more game devs didn't learn this from RE4. I see such a lack of focus in so many games today and I'm tired of it.
Resident evil 4 will always be the most fun and entertaining game in the series
And the laziest written mess with the simplest gameplay
@@xipetotek8216 write something better than
@@xipetotek8216 *-Crying Autotuned Baby Noises-*
I agree. The design and graphics are so creative.
@@xipetotek8216 The gameplay is possibly the best in the series with the most iconic inventory in gaming history. (And don’t bring up Minecraft.)
Honest to God question, why do people consider linearity in games a bad thing? please chime in because I've never seen it as something bad, I think some games benefit from being linear and linearity becomes a vocal point in those games, and the reason that they're good. Let me know what you think tho.
I think it's only bad if it seems forced. For example, I absolutely loved The Evil Within, but the linearity is at times annoying and detracts from its realism. There are so many places that you would explore if you were actually in that situation, but it sometimes puts you on very narrow tracks, seemingly needlessly. In horror/suspense games, the ability to explore a bit is important, and thinking that you may have to return to an old area at any time means you have to pay more attention. Otherwise you end up playing it like a track-shooter, making each area seem as irrelevant as the next. Fortunately, I don't think RE4 fell into that trap; it found the balance and got it almost perfect (as did The Evil Within 2).
Most of my favorite games are linear. But linear games need gameplay crafted to compliment their linearity. RE4 does that well with its action.
If you would like me to offer another two cents, I feel that when it comes to mainline Resident Evil games, a small-but-nonlinear game and a linear-but-large game can both work. However, I take issue when an RE game is both very small and extremely linear, as I will explain further down in this comment...
Now, because I am still waiting before I purchase RE Village, I am in no position to fully judge how much I agree with Mayo’s critique of it. But I have played every single mainline game up to this point.
For me, one positive example is the original three RE games on PS1, plus the RE1 Remake. All of these games are relatively small, and their campaigns can be beaten in just a few hours, if you have mastered the gameplay and know the most efficient way to speed-run. However, those games are built like complex and open-ended puzzle escape rooms, which have a variety of alternate orders/paths to the end. For the first time playing them, gamers will need time to figure out all of the solutions to progress and have the freedom to choose multiple paths to the end, which may even result in different endings. This adds more time the player can spend playing and feeling immersed, as well as incentives for replay value. Practicing to figure out how quickly one can beat the campaign becomes its own appeal, due to how its non-linearity makes it more challenging to figure out the perfect speedrun. *I would almost include the RE2 Remake, but I feel that it botched the replayability of its campaign compared to the original’s, by butchering the A/B scenario dynamic that added alternate scenarios and more branching paths.*
On the other hand, RE4 is relatively linear compared to those other games I just mentioned (though, I would argue that it still features a good amount of exploration, puzzles, backtracking, and optional paths which satisfied me). But RE4 makes up for it by not only being a huge game, but also having a lot of depth and complexity to its basic mechanics. One’s first playthrough can still be long, on account of the game’s sheer size and number of distinct levels, plus there can be some replay value in other ways (such as beating the campaign with a different arsenal). As much as I took issue with RE6, I could still praise to for having so much campaign content, that it partially makes up for being far more linear and on-rails than even RE4.
In my experience, the most negative example I have is the RE3 Remake. For that game, the campaign’s size and progression operates like the classic RE games, without the non-linear level design and narrative structure, which made those old games good in spite of them being short. Yet it feels more linear and on-rails than even RE4, without at least having the sheer amount of campaign content that RE6 had to compensate. Because the exploration, size, and basic mechanics all feel shallow, what I experienced was a game that was both short and linear, plus deprived of replay value. So for that instance, the extreme linearity contributed to it being a disappointingly mediocre game, in my opinion.
@@markcobuzzi826 aaa yes I do really like re3make but at the same time I really have no curiosity in replaying it, it’s just super linear and if im honest I kinda felt like I was playing a COD campaign at times. replaying it in high difficulty could be a thing for me but Im more interested in what RE1make did, which offers players replayability without having to switch the difficulty, that makes the game more rich. great reply dude thank you
@@underthemayo aaa yes because re4’s mechanic was so tight, you could play through the whole game again in the same difficulty but with a different approach. I guess this depth in mechanic is what sort of what Village lacks? anyways I dont always agree with you mayo but I do love ur videos and I do really like your approach to game criticism, thanks for looking at my comment dude ure dope
Finally was waiting for you to do one on this
1:56 I've been playing this game for years, and never noticed you could do that
Ya learn something new everyday
Me too, I always tapped the action button as quick as I could as it would fall and 1/3 time get it before it fell in the dirty water
@@daidalos138 You can get it clean without shooting at the wood behind? We really are learning new things from a game that's 16 years old. And I keep learning things about RE4 constantly.
@@GerNomico It's very unlikely to do but you can sometimes yes! I heard that was the only way when I was a kid and never read a guide for this game so I thought it was just super rare chance to get the clean necklace
@@daidalos138 You didn't see that trick in any video? Well it happens, we learn in a way we think we already know everything and we stop exploring for different solutions
wow! lmaoo
“… and keeps you lulled into a general sense of satisfaction”
I get that these videos are all about analysts (and I love them) but I honestly don’t care if I’m “lulled” into satisfaction or if it was provided in any other way.
Feels like the sentiment here is “this is why you shouldn’t have enjoyed Village, if you did”.
I get where he's coming from. RE8 was marketed as something else. Listening to CAPCOM gush about it beign inspired by RE4 and then not having any of the remarkable aspects of RE4 is frustrating. Not only that, people are raving out loud about the game and that gives them permission to just put out another games that just gonna be confort food, a cinematic experience with no substance or care in design.
It's more about pointing out and celebrating the feats of past games so people don't forget that they could be much more.
@@JardsonJean I don’t disagree with you, but again, if people actually enjoyed it, which they as a whole obviously did, does it really matter if they were “lulled into it”?
Then obviously it was an enjoyable game.
@@crkvend Honestly, I think it does matter. It's totally okay to enjoy something even it's not well designed or put together. Being lulled into an experience means you had no saying, no choice but to enjoy it. It's confort food. I mean, again, there's nothing wrong with enjoying that, but in the gaming industry having a "confort food" game that does well financially has seriously bad implications. We've seen that in the past. Capcom themselves are terrible at that.
The average new player, that does not understand he was lulled into it, will think that RE8 is the best the franchise can deliver and that is not the case.
@@JardsonJean I honestly don’t understand that sentiment. I grew up with OG Res1 on PS and the GC remake is one of my all-time favorite games. Res4 probably being my least favorite, even tho I still liked it.
Despite all that, I loved Village. I just don’t get the “you liked it for the wrong reason” nonsense. I liked it period.
Was the game super faithful to the Res formula? No, obviously not. Was is still really enjoyable (to me)? Absolutely.
For the question of RE4's enemies parasites coming out of the head, it is mostly Rng if a Hosts Plagas emerges from the head, headshots dont alter the chance. Ive recognized this when testing it by doing some runs were I dont aim for the head at all (Also found this out when watching a TAS mercencary run)
I think it's one of the triggers for adapative difficulty.
@@crozraven Not Sure If its tid to the adaptive difficulty, but i think its tied to the normal difficulty
@@eagleclaws1781 I believe adaptive difficulty in RE4 is applied to normal mode/difficulty. Meanwhile in professional mode, things always put to max level hard. It's the RNG system that dictate how hard the game would be depending on how good the player is.
I'm actually playing through this game for the first time and I love it. I know the tank controls can be a turn off for some but for a heavily horror inspired game, I think its pretty fitting. I also think it helps it stay unique amongst other third person shooters
Cultist screaming "Mataloooooo" is for ever burned into my brain.
Have you ever given your thoughts on The Evil Within? Because that's something I'd definitely be interested in hearing. I think it would be a fun video
It seemed to me that Village borrowed a lot of ideas from The Evil Within. But Village was not even close to being as good as that game, in my opinion. The Evil Within and its sequel were great!
@@connorism69 agreed, evil within is way better than village lmao
This is such a good video, i finished RE Village last weekend & couldn't wait to get back on Resi 4, just wished Resi still had that magic , Resi 2 remake was fantastic though
Since its release ive put at least 5000 hours into this game easy. I know it by heart. And its STILL fun to play bc each time you play can be different based on what enemies and drops you get. Then you have the added options of how you want to play ie avoid enemies as much as possible or kill them all, weapon selections, new game plus options, it legit is one of the most perfect linear games ever developed
Loving the new RE videos from Mayo
Seriously Mayo, you're actually the only one I would link to in regards to an RE8 critique. I've heard a number of critical reviews to the game But you're literally the only one to actually diagnose the problem and relate it to actual gameplay design. It's refreshing to have someone show this upfront.
Additionally, I want the resident evil crew to stop forcing themselves to make a resident evil game and allow them to make a Silent Hill esq game. Let them make an entire game based on the second boss encounter. They want it, let them do it and go wild
He isn't the only one that diagnose games better than most critics but I think he is the most active one.
I gotta say between this video and your longer one on RE8, you've really opened my mind to what this game really is. Just like you said, I was more or less lulled into thinking this game really good barring some frustration here and there. I found your rollercoaster analogy to be spot on, and while I had a genuinely good time playing 8 I don't think it quite holds up under the critical lens. I definitely don't see myself replaying it any time soon.
My only big disagreement with you is Ethan and his character. While it is cheesy, his characterization is much more entertaining than being the perpetually confused goofball he was in 7. Leon basically got the same treatment from RE2 to RE4 but I can actually relate to Ethan. At any rate, good stuff as usual!
I didn't like re8, but I actually would replay it. I did many times. So far it's my most played resident evil game. Challenges is a great addition to replay value, but it's basically the only thing that saves the game. I love re7 more, but if re8 had 7's replay value, basically not a single person in this world would play it more than twice
Not to mention that his animations shows his military training. Instead of just dumping a clip that still contain bullets. He takes it out while at the same time loading a new one and stores it. And of course his push back after denfending a attack, correctly.
i really enjoy your RE video’s and your review style 😊 great work keep it up
Resident Evil 4 is a very hard to top, beautifully crafted game. Although its maps are linear in design (even tho, still not as linear as later games), the gameplay itself is very much open ended, everyone has their own unique way of playing, and you can play in different ways on each playthrough. With RE8, pretty much all playthroughs are the same. There are very few choices on what to do at any given moment, and this is ironic because the Resident Evil 2 did the gameplay very much right, where everyone would play in a different way, and of course with the addition of the open ended exploration. How does Capcom keep fucking up?
I'm waiting a miracle where Under The Mayo reviews Spec Ops The Line. Another linear gameplay game that is good.
@j. Unless it’s a horror game perfection like Silent Hill 2 ofc.
@@TheMissinLink Well, Spec Ops is pretty much Silent Hill with the Gears Of War gameplay, i think he can do it one day
I can't remember how many 1000 time played this masterpiece.
Why do people think its a masterpiece when it's a very flawed game
Same, i love this masterpiece.
@@nakasato790 I mean, compared to others games that are "masterpiecies" like The Last of US 2, Resident Evil 4 is a game that you will never get bored and can any time because of the disegn, besides, thanks to this, Dead Space exist the way we now it today
It’s not a masterpiece, it is borderline trash. Shallow gameplay, characters and story combined with the ugliest environments in the series. It’s made for kids that just want to shoot things and has no resemblance to the series. Even 5 and 6 fit into the series better and play better than 4
@@xipetotek8216 We get it, you don't like one of the most well recieved RE games ever made. Cry harder about it in every reply chain. :- y
lol I watched your RE8 review and it made me want to go play RE4. As I was playing 4 I was thinking about how linear it was and then you came out with this video. Brilliant.
Unfortunately gamers are now more fascinated by good graphics and cutscenes than actual gameplay. It is unfortunate that no one actually criticizes the game and internet only sings high praises for this game so Capcom will most probably make this their new standard and all the re new comers will never know what re franchise was actually about
Yeah
If nobody criticized the game it would have near perfect reviews on Metacritic from both users and critics. It doesn’t though. And nearly every review I’ve seen, even ones who like it didn’t think it was perfect and was critical as well. I really like it yet know it has some issues. I really don’t like this thought of “casuals blindly praise and don’t criticize games” when it’s all for the most part subjective
@poleve540 being casual is also fine and like throwing 1 game like this in between the more serious games is fine also but they've been doing this for such a time- re5, 6 then 3r,8. And actually re revelations (great game btw) were supposed to be casual games in between but they somehow even made rev more classic re than the mainline entries....
@@charlestonobryant807 yea I get your point. I'm not saying you're casual or anything like that. It's the game's fault- it is designed in a way to make its eye candy experience more significant than the player's actual involvement with game. You do not feel anything after finishing re8- it's just another game maybe u feel a lil excited but that's it, but trust me go and play re1 remake and after finishing that tell me if you don't feel like u really accomplished anything.
I'm not trying to offended you but honestly, as a person who really appreciates and has played almost every re game since my childhood- I can certainly state it as a fact that re8 is a very easy and mindless game(except the factory part) and with some of the worst enemy body hit interactivity in all of re games. The level of enjoyment is ofc subjective and I'm also happy that u enjoyed the game, there's nothing nothing wrong with that.
Another thing I'd like to say is about the scoring part- even the highest rated games of all time do not have perfect 100. Re8, even if it's score is 80+, is already regarded as one of the best ac in so many list(which I think is an absolute joke). But point is even if there are some criticisms- most of times they're misdirected, like for ex someone says the game is too easy and then he himself says but it's okay just play in hard difficulty. This is exactly what's wrong with the criticism- the game itself has bad ai and level design, by increasing difficulty and making yourself die faster or making enemies more bullet spongy the game might get hard but it won't get anymore fun.
Some other criticisms go like- doll house is too scary, factory is too confusing. These are subjective problems, no one talks about the innate bad ai or level design or sense of fake exploration or the over abundance of handholded scenarios. Even if people do, it is overshadowed by the praise or in extreme cases like when mayo did the previous review video, get 1/4th dislikes even if he said so many completely valid points. I'd say reviewers are afraid to say bad thing about the game in fear that people will dislike them. Steam for example has overwhelming positive reviews with almost 30k reviews, like any newcomer will come to conclusion that this must be the best and perfect re game....
@@lalitendudas9401 I actually thought the opposite when I finished these games. I actually think village had the best ending out of any of the games, and I was ready to go back in. When I finished re1 remake, however, I was kinda just glad it was over. Imo re1 is a little too puzzle oriented, and had too much backtracking. Re2 has the perfect balance for me. Also what is so bad about the ai in village?
No way I literally just finished resident evil 4 again the other day mayo!
I honestly think resident evil should do a call of duty and have 2 teams one makes Leon and Chris style shoot em ups and another make re7 style personal horror games
the chainsaw did cut my head off
I was eager for a RE4 review the moment you mentioned it in your previous video, lots of enemies is my kind of thing.
Resident Evil will never reach the masterclass quality set by RE4. They were close with RE7, but that game went on for too long for it to be as concise and packed as RE4.
RE Revelations 2 is flawed but it is the cosest Resident Evil game that can keep up with its varied combat encounters like RE4.
And Raid mode is just the best!
Re4s last 3rd always dragged really hard for me. Re1 and 2 remake are the most consistent and well designed in my opinion
@@HunterForHire422 RE2R's second half after the police station is a massive letdown which is the biggest flaw from the original RE2, which needed the improvement for the Remake but they did not do it. RE1R is the perfect Resident Evil Experience.
@@tomlion0116 honestly don't like re1 much. Not for its design but i just really dislike static camera RE. I really enjoy the sections after the police station in 2 remake even after playing the original re2 which felt about the same
@@tomlion0116 I personally prefer Resident Evil 5 over Revelations 2, and I think RE5 is the closest to RE4, despite also being flawed. Played through RE4, RE5, Revelations, Revelations 2, and RE6 recently; and yeah, next to RE4 (which is one of my all-time favorite games, period) I liked RE5 the most out of all of them...
And I was reminded of all the flaws of RE6. Beat Leon's campaign and immediately uninstalled. Had no intention to play any of the other campaigns...
What loadout do you like to use in this game? Just like doom eternal I think this game has a lot of creative options that give the game a ton of replay value.
I've been waiting for this.
Ive played Re4 to completion on ps2, ps3, wii, and switch at least 30 times. Currently on my third run on Village. And I am enjoying the same hoard treasure , buy guns and replay with different guns upgraded loop that keeps me coming back to 4 on a semi yearly basis
A video like this was absolutely necessary to help the nay-sayer understand the purist in us of why the past games were perfectly thought out and felt like an onging cohesive franchise....kinda.
Ah Resident Evil 4...the greatest third person shooter of all time that sadly led to the downfall of survival horror Resident Evil with it massive success.
Feels weird to me that I still love it even though I'd argue it shouldn't have been called "Resident Evil".
@TGK18 RE4 was my first RE so you can take that argument and shove it.
And it seems to me you're the one who never played RE 2, 3 and CV because these are not action games.
It's not about "hur dur these gamea had explosions"...it's about how these games played compared to RE4, a game that is much more linear and had more focus on fighting and encouraging it by having enemies drop ammo, healing items and money to buy new weapons and ammo.
@TGK18 You really love reciting BS that others have typed, don't you? I heard these same exact BS arguments before word for word and they are easy to debunk.
1. You didn't provide anything proving RE2 was an action game...so telling me "It turns into an epic action game after the police station" is flatout bullshit.
2. How does adding a dodging mechanic automatically make RE3 an action game? Haunting Grounds (a game where you have no weapons) had it...Tormented Souls that released recently is regarded as a survival horror Masterpiece (and it has weapons had it)....so stop acting like adding a dodge mechanic automatically makes the game more action oriented (especially on hard mode where the the success rate is much lower of pulling it off).
3. So what if Nemesis has a rocket launcher? Does it change how you experience the game? Does it turn into a cover based shooter? Does the game allow you to use free-aim mode to shoot his missiles before they hit you? All it means it's a long range attack you have to avoid and Nemesis loses the rocket launcher midway through the game anyway.
4. Again, we are talking GAMEPLAY and how the game plays...the opening of CV doesn't have any effect on the gameplay and doesn't turn the game into an action shooter, for most of the game the focus is exploring and solving puzzles...for oyur complains about the final boss shooting fire balls I give the same reply regarding Nemesis rocket launcher...it doesn't change how you play the game.
5. Sure....RE2 and RE3 give you alot of ammo and health items...but guess what, you have to go out of your way to go exploring the levels and find them and storing them in save rooms (Which would slow down speedrunners when you have to keep going back and fourth to the save room due to limited inventory)...so it's not the same as RE4 where REGULAR enemies keep dropping shit for you on top of finding stuff as you play the game (that and RE4 has a much more linear design than the classic RE games).
6. Firstly, last time I checked Nemesis dropped weapon parts (but I need to revise that since it's been a while since I played the game)...But it's one thing when it's ONE boss enemy that's insanely powerful and takes alot of ammo to put down (using up your resources) to simply get some weapon parts on the optional encounters (the non-optional Nemesis fights don't drop you anything)...comparing this to RE4 is stupid because in RE4 EVERY ENEMY potentially drops ammo, healing items and money for the player...thus RE4 encourages you to grind and kill as many enemies as possible to get a "new toy"....while in RE3 killing Nemesis multiple times is risky and you don't have to do the optional fights to beat the game anyway...while in RE4 it's a main part of the gameplay to kill enemies for money to buy more weapons.
7. I don't care about the merchant...the point I was making is that RE4 gameplay is designed around encouraging the player to shoot and kill as many enemies as possible so when you find the merchant you get to buy stuff and "new toys"...also lets not forget that RE4 lets you upgrade your weapons at will as long as you have the cash for it rather than making you find weapon parts for it...again encouraging you to grind and shoot more enemies.
Classic RE games are nothing like RE4, stop being a fanboy and wake up from your delusion.
@TGK18 It does matter because you accused me of being "nostalgic" when that's not true at all.
I played RE4 before I played any of the classics...infact I never liked classic RE games before RE4 got me into the series and eased me into it...three years later my interest piqued with the original and I bought the original trilogy and even got a Game Cube to play Remake and 0.
I am able to do the comparison between the classic and RE4 in a very objective manner and I love RE4...but telling me that "Classic RE games are as action heavy as RE4" is a bullshit statement.
You can be sick of hearing it...but it is a fact that RE4 isn't a Resident Evil game...it's a unique game that did it's own thing and it succeeded so much that it didn't need the Resident Evil brand to be slapped all over it.
If Capcom didn't call it RE4 it would have still being a successful game...my only problem with it is because it used the RE name that Capcom abandoned the old style and all of it fans behind like we're not important.
@TGK18 Yeah and I played them too and can tell the difference...infact everyone who played these games disagree with you and can tell the difference.
You didn't prove these games are "action oriented" and you didn't even debunk my debunking of your points either and just went on the defensive of your precious game (Which tells me you're here just to prove a point and not to have an actual conversation.
You are just a whiny RE4 fanboy...that is a fact. Deal with it.
I remember playing RE4 at a friend's house. I was really bad at it though because I was young and my friend was at the holdout section after saving Ashley. Still had fun though after getting used to the controls.
The comparison I've been waiting for. And by God, it hits every note I've been singing to the people worshipping 8 as the second coming of 4. Yet the song falls on deaf ears because LADY D IS BEST MEME!
Village is universally seen as average. The ones worshipping it are the loud minority.
Eh, I would say that Resident Evil Village had a couple of fairly unique encounters. The one with the lycans in the cornfield and the basement filled with blood for example, those did a good job of keeping you on edge. The cornfield has you choose between getting in close for more danger, but better visibility, or you could choose to stay at a safe distance but have the enemy obscured by the corn.
The section where you go through the same village as the start, only this time there was a giant wolf enemy roaming around was interesting. You are essentially forced to choose between hiding in houses to avoid a strong enemy, but you end up fighting weaker enemies in an enclosed space. Or you can choose to fight the wolf monster immediately, which gives you more space to take all the weaker enemies.
Then there's the whole factory section, which did a decent job of introducing new combat encounters, with new enemy types being introduced by busting through walls and shit. Resident Evil 8 isn't without these sections, but they just aren't nearly common enough, especially not comparable to 4.
I also really think you're completely misrepresenting Resident Evil Village's starting area in your comparison to Resident Evil 4. You claim that it immediately throws you into a level with hoards of enemies rather than easing you into the controls... But that's just false. It starts in almost exactly the same way as Resident Evil 4 does. First you are thrown against a SINGLE lycan in a 1 on 1 fight that gets you used to the controls, then you get a breather, then you are thrown into a combat encounter where you have to hide in a house, grab a shotgun and barricade the door. That is almost exactly how Resident Evil 4 starts. It's a pretty blatant misrepresentation there.
@Megashark 101 I would be lying if I didn't say the Ganados do get a little boring after a long while into RE4, mostly near the factory, even for all of the interesting stuff they do there it just feels like they're being used a little too much by then, I think Village prevents you from getting bored with enemies by not either not using them too much (Samca, Varcolac, the Soldat variants) or really spacing out there encounters throughout the game (Lycans, Moroiaca)
@@eriksulin627 Yeah, the only problem is that the game usually chucks a bunch of the same enemy type at you in any one level or area, aside from the factory. Very rarely is there multiple different unique enemies going against you at the same time.
This is what Resident Evil 4 did quite well. It threw hoards at you, but there was also variety in these hoards. Even in the earliest sections of the game, you had regular ganados armed with melee weapons paired with dynamite throwers, and the chainsaw guy thrown somewhere in the middle. Even the cultists alone have like 5 varieties: Shield Bois, the ones with scythes, ones with bowguns, flail priests, and ones with rocket launchers. Resident Evil 8's enemy hoards feel just like they copy/pasted the same enemy multiple times, except for the factory.
@Megashark 101 I wouldn’t necessarily call it a copy paste mentality for the most part, I think the use of enemies are very deliberate here since I believe their placement in the areas you fight them in work to their strengths which in turn creates fair challenges even in higher difficulties
Though I can definitely agree with the game really lacking on the combination of enemies to create a challenge, something I believe RE2R and RE4 did really well, there’s some small exceptions (both Varcolac encounters, the stronghold, the factory labyrinth, the urias fights), and it didn’t really have to be like that since this is something the mercenaries does really well, especially if you don’t make your weapons too powerful to create a more challenging experience
@@megashark1013 well it wouldn't really make sense for lycans to be carrying shields and rocket launchers.. at least the cyborgs have variety
@@kikohogod5704 Yeah, as I said, the factory does enemy variety really well and is the best part of the game because of that. But enemies can be varied in more than just the weapons they carry. Why not give us the regular humanoid lycans but also give us variants that are much closer to dogs? Ones that run on all fours and are faster, but die more easily.
Old Yharnam in Bloodborne is almost entirely made up of lycan-type creatures, yet that has three clearly different enemy types scattered smartly around, and that's a single level. Village's lycan sections should share this variety.
I dont really get your arguement in this vid. It seems like you're grading both games with the same scale, while also stating that they're very different. For instance, when you talk about how RE4 gradually introduces you to the mechanics and combat, while decrying 8 for not doing the same. This isn't taking into account the context of how novel RE4's mechanics were at the time. It practically invented the over the shoulder 3rd person shooter, and was the first in its series to control that way, so having a slow ramp up in mechanical challenge was necessary, especially for fans of the series. Village, on the other hand, has an identical perspective and control scheme to the prior game and most people are very accustomed to first person controls generally. So criticizing the game for not giving you enough time to get used to the game feel just doesn't make any sense.
Also, the progression of the level design/enemy encounters cant accurately be compared bc both games are entirely different, mechanically speaking. For one thing, bumping up the FOV to the degree you've got it in this vid is obviously gonna ruin the combat, and make it much easier. The entire game and its mechanics were designed with a set field of view in mind. I get that some people get motion sick with low FOV settings, but modding the game to allow a perspective that it was never designed to accommodate, and then criticizing the level and encounter design seems a little disingenuous. RE4 could accommodate huge groups of enemies because the melee and weapons were extremely effective at dealing with huge enemy groups. Village doesn't have the same kind of crowd control potential, and so is designed to emphasize intimate encounters, with fewer enemies. Having them begin to hone in on you in tight spaces thus needed to maintain high situational awareness. Which is obviously compromised when you've got a really wide field of view.
Anyways, I appreciate the vid none the less. Take care.
The point is that RE4 does 2 things well that Village needed to do and failed to do. 1) introduce it's game and show how it's going to be played 2) provide unique experiences and engaging encounters to compliment its linearity
@@underthemayo I'd argue that Village manages to pull off both of those things (not trying to be a contradictory ass, just enjoying good natured disagreement).
The opening segment in 8 sets expectations accurately, for the most part. You've got the combat focused Village encounter, an escape sequence with in the manor, and acquiring the key item to open up the first area, all common experiences throughout the game. Granted, it doesn't set any sort of expectations for the novel designs later on, like Benevito's section, or the boss fight with Heisenberg.
The second point seems a bit more subjective. I guess that critique depends on what you consider a worthwhile experience. Because I would argue that the game provides a large variety of different encounters/gameplay. I think the critical distinction here is that that point isn't always expressed through the combat. Benevito's house was radically different than anything else in the game, and the same can be said (albeit to a lesser degree) about the other lords' sections. Whether or not one values these as worthwhile distinctions, or unnecessary diversions is subjective, but I believe it satisfies the second point technically speaking. And I really think the FOV is a big factor here. If you think about the fact (or at least my assumption) that everything about the game, from mechanics to enemies to level design, were designed to be experienced from a single intentionally low FOV value, then altering that value could compromise the entire experience. I mean would RE7, or even 2, be the same with a much wider FOV? Idk, but I'm guessing they'd be similarly compromised.
Thanks for the reply, made me really think for this one.
I agree with pretty much all your points besides FOV. Yes, I do agree that high FOV ruins the gameplay considering part of the challenge in more action focused RE games is figuring out where every enemy is and positioning yourself accordingly. However, that is no excuse to disregard players that experience motion sickness. They shouldn't have to rely on a mod to fix things. Look at RE7. It had 3 FOV options. 70, 80 and 90. A FOV value such as 90 doesn't trivialize things and gets rid of most people's issues related to FOV.
@@hunternogales578 personally I don't think these make re8 bad, but the thing is, compared to re4, you had constant large combat, re8 throws 4 enemies every 20 minutes, with the rest of the game being fake exploration. If a game tries to be exploration focused while also being linear, it becomes braindead walking. And that's the disappointing aspect. The fact that a lot of the gameplay could've been more than just walking with occasional enemies. The game isn't bad, the gameplay was just a bit carelessly designed
This is a solid argument but imo Village is an RE sequel in name only. It is fundamentally different from every other resident evil because it plays like a dynamic, edge-of-your-seat horror flick.
Now as a game director that poses a problem because it's a game, not a movie, how do you keep the film rolling at a reasonable/enjoyable pace? Cutscenes + east exploration + linearity, the less linear village is the duller the pace gets.
Hope you reconsider the argument Mayo, love the vids!
Re4:looking at the back of the main characters head done right.
Hey Mayo, What's Your opinion on The Evil Within?
Edit: Since both games are directed by Shinji Mikami so I just wanted to know what's your opinion about it.
Good idea, people’s opinions on that game are all over the place. I wonder what Mayo thinks
I actually really enjoy TEW's style, it's got cool horror, and the letterboxing never bothered me. Plus, the villain Ruvik, while monotonous and drab is still kind of interesting in other aspects. I think his relation to Laura makes things weird and unsettling in a cool way. Turns out an easy way to have a character make you uncomfortable is by having them want to fuck their siblings lmfao.
TEW2 would have been better in my mind if not for the second half. Christ, everything about that first villain is so legitimately cool and unique but the second one was lame as shit. Kinda wish TEW2 was more linear too tbh.
I feel that he would like it, probably Evil Within 2 better.
Headshots do in fact cause plagas to sprout out. I love this system because a headshot can be very helpful but also really risky. Often times you will shoot enemy weakpoints to disable them that way instead of going for the headshot every time.
They can rarely pop up outside of headshots, but I've almost never seen it happen tbh.
@@feedthemeat543f me neither. Not sure if it’s RNG or just a bug but I’ve never had it happen outside of a headshot or the first scripted encounter.
@@ollytherevenant1653 I've had it happen twice, but both times were with body slashes with the knife
Can't really say exactly what causes it
@@feedthemeat543f I think the knife just has weird hit detection and might think you hit the enemies head but I have no idea lol
The plagas are not related to headshots, that's a myth.
And Shinji Mikami went on to replicate his RE4 success with The Evil Within, which has all the unique encounters, etc. described here!
I really like the points you made in this video, even though I really like Village. I'd like to hear this for all critique videos, but could you tell me some things (if any) that you really liked about Village? Keep up the great videos!
I still laugh when I kill the Merchant in Resident Evil 4 😆🎮👍
Disagree with the idea that the game design was made with no consideration or that they didn´t care. If i dont like something or if something is flawed doesnt automatically means its made without care. We can critize the game without disrespecting the work of the director.
I think Village was made with conscious decisions to dumb down the gameplay for people who don't wanna play Resident Evil. You don't get a game like that by accident.
@@underthemayoThat makes no sense, why would they focus on none-resident evil fans? it's just bad game design not them dumbing down stuff, the puzzles were a joke/map design very linear/no ammo resource management or items, has nothing to do with none-resident evil fans. Village is kinda boring now that I replay it more and more, hate the amount of cussing too. It makes it so cringe and edgy.
@@underthemayo Not saying it was made by accident, but not everyone is Shinji Mikami. We have to understand that developers (usually) dont want to make a "bad" game. Yeah we can critize the execution but saying it was made without caring sounds a tad disrespectful to me.
@@Dann4751 not everyone is shinji mikami, but so many other directors managed to replicated the good game design that re8 didn't. Re2 did it, re3 did it, re7 did it
Love your videos. Especially when I have a different viewpoint. Also I view games in a different way.
No, where you shoot the ganado doesn't affect if the parasite comes out or not
Why doesn't anyone uses the HD Project mod when reviewing the game? :(
Takes up way too much space
Because it's not done.
@@ihidmyselfwhileitriedtorep2639 The levels textures has been for like two years.
I want to try Resident Evil 4 because of your video, really made me interested
Do it! Steam has it. Just make sure you use a controller. Keyboard and mouse is really really bad.
@@underthemayo RE5 had a much improved KB&M control scheme. But...I wouldn't suggest playing RE5 again.
If you have a Wii use the Wii version. The controls are the best and it has the bonus stuff the PS2 had.
Mayo doesn't like the boulder quick time event since chris is not destroy it with his muscular arms
I haven't played the game myself and I agree with a ton of the points made in both videos. The combat feels like there is only ever one way to proceed. Point shoot. In re2 you could sneak around and avoid enemies that would affect gameplay later.
There is one aspect of this game that I am surprised you haven't touched on yet and I'm curious on your thoughts.
The first dog/warewolf section. It places you into a set of houses with a huge enemy that you sneak/fight/hide in houses from.
I'm interested on your thoughts on that area
I’m actually curious about the upcoming VR version of RE4. Either it’s going to be great or just a miserable experience
or motion sickness
Playing it again right now, this time on hard difficulty.
It's hard.
Loving these retro reviews putting things in perspective with modern games.
It may have shifted the series from it's roots but GODDAMN did they do a good job making it close to perfect for what it was.
This guy really hate Village lol. I thought it was a pretty decent game, it has its faults but all in all a decent one.
Hate =/= constructive criticism.
yeah it's decent. just a big disappointment, considering the massive marketing campaign and all the new RE players saying its so amazing the best game, when underneath all the flash, we know it really isn't.
RE Revelations 2 is flawed but it is the closest Resident Evil game that can keep up with its varied combat encounters like RE4.
And Raid mode is just the best!
Exactly. Revelations 2 is so underrated
I’m about to go play RE4 for the 117th time cuz of you ! Thanks a lot I’m just stuck in this loop that will never be satisfied. RE village didn’t meet my expectations.
My favorite is always running down the dynamite fuse until it explodes.
I believe the parasites sprouting is random to some enemies. But, there are specific Ganados/Zealots that will auto-sprout. After repeated playthroughs I've done, it is likely that regular Ganados may be random. The same guy I headshotted didn't sprout. Further proving that the parasite spawns are random while there are others who are designated to spawn a parasite.
You want to know which video game is better at understanding RE4 gameplay than RE8? The Evil within.
Its not that hard, but RE8 is what happen when you take the aesthetic over the substance.
Playing Evil Within right now, and this comment couldn't ring more true.
Biased Re 4 fanboy.
"Linear game design done right" implies that linear game design is typically a bad thing.
For RE, it usually is.
because most of the time it is. few know how to do it right. and those who do seem insignificant next to that ever growing tumor that is linear, cheap, graphics oriented singleplayer gameplay with multiplayer focus.
@@ScReamOut93 Halo? Doom? Half Life?
@@TheChocoboRacer do you want me to list over 200 games that fucked it up?
It's only bad when they pretend it's not linear. That's exactly what RE Village does. And "Not a hero" from RE7
Almost every single encounter feeling special and unique is absolutely true
RE8 is a modern game. Just as much money and time....if not more...is spent on cutscenes and voice acting as is on the actual game.
Yup