Are Oversized Jockey Wheels worth it | Time SAVED on RACE DAY
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How much time did you expect to save by upgrading your jockey wheels?
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The main advantage is that you are lighter because your wallet is less heavy after purchase
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nah these are definitely goin on the credit card
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why don’t people just buy a normal bike.
@@sakomeow I don't have a credit card and I am looking to be a normal person and get a £5-7k trek Emonda ALR to use as commute, be a nice 7.2kg with axs dropper
I have it because they look pretty, that is all. I never had the illusion that these things would significantly improve my riding!
+ 1000. You like the look of your bike with it? Get it!
I have heard they make shifting smoother
After installing this kit, I was able to win the Tour the France last year...
That's all? After I bought mine, I won all five of the single day classics, as well, the Giro and Vuelta. I sat out the TdF just so you could win it.
(I just bought some top secret Russian osmium-thorium grease for bearings that cuts friction by .0034721%) WOW!
You should probably rebrand that top secret grease and sell it. You would make a fortune
Same here for 65 consecutive years Mr L Armstrong!
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Bruh, that's all? After I bought mine, I was able to climb Everest in one go with the increase drivetrain efficiency.
Thanks! This discussion evokes the question of what upgrades are actually he best bang for the buck. Tires, lubes, chain, aero, wheels, weight.....
I love mine. Way faster. No doubt. And no doubt that placebo effect is real!
Good analysis! There are so much more variants of increasing speed, partly also depending on the athlete, that a pulley wheel optimization is negligible. For instance the weather conditions, roadsurface, but one of my most favourite is how long can you ride in the most aero position whilst maintaing optimal power through the pedals? Sitting upright, flat or anything in between literally saves miles per hour. The other thing is "what is thé function of a derailleur?": guiding the chain! Optimizing low frixtion in the gearing is a better way to increase speed and endurance 😀
Good video. I feel they are more for looks and the gains aren't too huge.
Go green!
The biggest issue is that most of these (especially the Ceramic Speed) are just ridiculously overpriced. They cost so much that you can buy many things that will actually yield much better results for you. At least KCNC is relatively cheap.
Interesting summary and very informative, one thing you can’t deny is the appearance is aesthetically pleasing, which subsequently always has a cost 👍🏽
You are half way to the dark side..
great video and solid intro showing us your perspective!
Thank you
The real gains come from the fact that OSPW's look cool. If your bike looks cool, you'll want to ride it more often, and the more you ride, the more fitness you'll eventually build overtime, which is precisely why you should shell out $600 for a CeramicSpeed OSPW. 😜
If changing your jockey wheels alone makes you want to ride your bike any measurable time more, maybe it's not cycling you're really into..
Thanks a bunch for getting that idea out of my head and saving some money :-) And Go Green! ;-)
I got Ceramicspeed coated OSPW on my red axs, I do not really care if it saves me 20 secs or not, cause I am slow anyways, I bought it only because it looks awesome.
See this man is a cycling Gedi...
The new Dura-ace pulley wheel spinning relatively tight is probably caused by new seals. Give it several hundred miles and I would expect it to spin freer.
Those were off my road bike which was over a year old by the time of filming and had over 1,000 miles on them. They are well broken in.
@@EricRidesDirt I see. All right, then it is really tight. My pulley was tight at first, after 1000 kilos or so, they certainly loosened up.
There are other factors: 1) potentially bigger frontal area, so more drag. 2) weight differences, if the wheels are bigger are they heavier? Appreciate that both of these factors will be negligible..., but as the benefits also seem to be negligible it would be interesting to see if they negate any benefits! PS: changing the chain tension might give you less drag, but it will also disrupt how well you shift gears!
Great video. Best information I have gotten as a new cyclist. Thank you
Glad it was helpful
Great review!
My road bike on 11th and I bought 12th 1cm different. Original was like as this video not even spinning. After I installed a new one my bike feels different. I believe most standard bike has those jockey wheels in it. I am super happy with upgrade. Your video theory is make sense 👍🏻
You forgot to mention that the aero penalty of those big pulley wheels might completely offset the watts saved.
I was curious about that as well. It’s probably some really dirty air down there, but still, it is adding a largish hangy downy thing.
Heyyyy a fellow Eric and a fellow Spartan! You get a new sub, my friend!
The biggest factors I want from jockey wheels is shifting ease, precision and smoothness. Some of those aluminum wheels cause all sorts of clunky and rattling effects. I don't think Shimano and Campagnolo design their factory wheels at a compromise. Weight weenies, watt weenies... all the same. Nobody will consistently gain 12 to 22 seconds over a 70 mile course simply because of friction gains or losses in their jockey wheels. The variables of physical form and fitness are hugely, vastly more responsible for performance output. So focus on reliable shifting and on riding better. Don't do the math, do the work you weenies.
I think you you are missing the the biggest factor why to get one. They look cool.
@@LadyTea They look like something you'd put on a kid's bike to make sparks or whistling sounds. Now that would be cool.
@@Joshualbm lol. Fair. I wish it would make some sparks like the old barbie rollerskates
Anything that makes going uphill easier.
It's like a dirty derailer vs a clean derailer.
This was an excellent video, thank you for sharing!
Great video! Also, you have to take the extra aero drag into account... The bigger the jockey wheels, the more drag!
Thank you, I actually had a section of the video talking about the aerodynamic penalty but I felt like it was too much for this video. SLF motion has an aero cage, and when I talked with the owner of SLF he told me that it saves 0.4 watts over the standard Dura-Ace cage. I think the aero penalty is the reason we don't see more of these oversized systems at the individual time trial world championship.
Wow, that is so cool! I had a look at the SLF motion hyper aero model. It’s a bit pricy for my mediocre triathlon sprint times, but I guess if your elite, and marginal gains can mean 1st or 2nd, that it would make sense.
Great content. Just saved some money!!
That's awesome, love to hear it was helpful.
Frodeno rides without it, and is one of the fastes. So you don’t need this to win races.
A good rule of thumb is to never trust a bearing without a load. Your spinny pulley either has no lube or very lightweight lube. Either one isn't ideal under the given use
I like the honest review.
In cycling, whatever makes you happy, get it.
I saw a guy from the usa do a promo on the latest & gr8est from "Absolute Black" sensational ospw. The gear changers were real slick. Better than with original P.W. & the quiteness was deafening with the Absolute Black version. Gr8 job sharing. Top notch presentation. So l will subscribe to ur channel. Thx
If l was going 2 splash some cash l would go with Absolute Black
Go watch Hambini and Peak Torque, then reconsider.
Absolute Black were an alright brand for making your bike look slightly better but the price/quality ratio has always been abysmal. The OSPW fiasco blew it out of the park, they keep making wild claims about their performance and justifying the $700 price tag and all they have to back up their claims is "just trust me bro".
One thing I can give them credit for is making a plastic derailleur cage, which I believe is what muffles the drivetrain sounds.
I have seen their videos. Not sure what I would reconsider?
I kept my Dura Ace 12 speed cage & added Atia from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 OSPW... only .
Ceramic Bearings with Titanium Jockey Wheels. Larger than Dura Ace . Was considering the Nova Ride from France 🇫🇷 they have larger jockey wheels again .
Both spin exceptionally well.
Nova probably marginally better .
But cost was $110 aud more & the weight was more using the Nova Ride . Aita were lighter .
Spent a Fortune 2 build a Lite Weight SL7 S-WORKS 54cm
Finished weight was / is 6.83 kilos
Including Pedals , S-WORKS Carbon Bottle Cages , & Computer Mount that came with the FSA VISION ONE PIECE CARBON COCKPIT. And also S-WORKS Power Printed Saddle.
Lite Weight tubes .. Definitely not a fan of Tubeless
For the Pedals l went 4 the Time Xpro 15 's
Never used Time Pedals b4 l put the Time Xpro 12's on my SL5 .
My SL5 is spec'ed out 2 the current SL7 Expert. Over a period of time. So much better 2 Ride.
Xcellent Feed Back from u on the OSPW . Froomie uses them & l guess they/he are after every ounce of advantage . Don't blame him
Literally, putting your sunglasses OVER your helmet straps instead of under them confers a more significant gain than ceramic bearings (and yes, that’s been verified in a wind tunnel). Other things that have more benefit… shaving your arms and legs… 14x more benefit than oversized pulleys, tailoring your jerseys to get rid of the wind flapping on the shoulders, a helmet with fewer vents (which are ironically less expensive helmets).
my main reason is not of being faster, it's because it's running much smoother and with less chain-noise :-)
you know who wins races- People who believe they can!!! so, if it gives you a mental positive to push through- it helps!
The placebo effect is very real, that's for sure
There are all these claims that "this saves x watts" etc but its all over the standard system. When you start adding it all up its very minimal. A waxed chain, bigger front chain ring, ospw, its not just addition to find the watts saved. If it was addition all pros would be doing it all because its allegedly a free 50 watt saving with everything.
They just look cool
For my understanding... it is not about watts power. If we talking about criterium race. Maybe OSPW don't effect on it.
But how long we can maintain our watts for the long period of time. For me, It's for endurance.
I just ordered me a chinese carbon derailleur arm with oversized ceramic jockey wheels. For those low prices I'll give it a go, cause I think it looks cool and even matches my bike colors. Should it fail, I'll just put the stock arm back and move on...
Same here, waiting for it to arrive
did the same thing, only an idea to consider, those ceramic bearings aren't sealed. It means the dirt will make it's way through it very easy. Imo i would consider replacing bearings with normal ones but higher quality, best way to go
@@antoniolaza736 Exactly what I also did! 👍🏼
So after a year, how'd it go?
@@daveelanga7359 still going strong! 👍🏼
My Campy Chorus 11 speed rear derailleur has bearings over bushings, so my jockey wheels spin as freely as your aftermarket wheels.
I personally can’t stand Ceramic Speed anything, too overpriced and just a marketing gimmick.
is campy jockey actually bearing? They look like bushing to me. Same group as yours
I won't argue that the difference is huge, but you missed that the number of completed rotations of the derailleur is reduced if it is oversized, which will reduce the amount of lost energy.
This will probably bring the power saving closer to 3W than 1.76W.
just discovered the channel -- great content!
It's common in the Shimano pulley for the metal covers that sandwich the bushing to rub. This results in the friction seen in the video. The fact you can still spin them with your little finger, gives you an idea of how much energy you are actually wasting. It's negligible. When you spin a jockey wheel, we believe it correlates to the wheel spinning. I also "upgraded" my pulley to ceramic and they spin freely. Makes no difference in every day cycling
La diferencia entre una stock shimano sin rodamientos y otra con rodamientos sellados es bastante notable, solo hay que encontrar el tamaño adecuado para cada uno, la cadencia cambia demasiado si le colocas una roldana 3 dientes más grande que la original, se hace más pesado el pedalear, pero se avanza mucho más.
I think. For the average joe who doesnt race but goes on club runs - totally not worth it unless they have money burning a hole in their pocket. But I think moving from the cheap pulley with the ferrule bearing to a wheel with a proper bearing would be a good step forward and some dont even need to cost the earth.
Im currently overhauling two of my bikes. My commuter is running a 105 5700 and my _'go faster'_ bike is on an old 6800 Ultegra - All with the stock OEM jockey wheels. The commuter is getting a really cheap BBB Roller Boys BDP-02 that doesnt even cost me $12. The 6800 is getting a BDP-22 which cost me $43.
I could have gone OEM but i did a lot of digging through reviews and even the $12 jockey set should be better than the OEM ultegra set according to reviews. $12 is cheap enough for me not to care too much if they offer little to no difference to the OEM 5700 Jockey wheels.
-- it sounds dumb but im pretty excited to see if i'll feel any difference between the old and new jockey wheels. owned both bikes about 5-6years
Bro i have spin test by finger i find that shimano one is spin faster if you pinch with bolt just like installed on RD, but sealed bearing is clearly more faster spining
My MTB Shimano XTR Rear Derailleur is 11t top and bottom. upgraded when they needed replacing and went 12t top and 14t bottom ceramic. After 4 2hr. rides I have seen almost 10 watts more power and much smoother pedaling. Was shocked. I bought them on Amazon for under $30 for both. That was on my training bike, just ordered another set for my race bike.
I tried ceramic speed pulley wheels : not convinced at all ( average rider ) A well maintained and clean bike will help better
Great video. I think less bend on your chain alone. Makes it worth it.
Thinking is not included in sound engineer principles. All about ego.
Did you also take into account that the oversize system is larger, so heavier, plus the chain is longer, so heavier too. I think the benefit is even smaller than you state. And Shimano haven't made much junk over the years, let alone Durace.
I have not heard anyone bring up the weight issue actually. Generally the oversized systems are a combination of carbon and plastic so it's weight is minimal, same goes for the chain. However, that is another variable to this question.
Add aero drag too . Significantly larger side profile for of bore wind and larger frontal form . Longer chain ect all add up and nullify any advantage . Also it adds more friction on a multi geared system as the side plates are more likely to rub if it is not dead in line with the chain rings . Having less tension decreases power input to the wheel as the chain has more "takeup " before fully engaging with the cassette teeth . (Think a track bike with a slack chain and how much power is lost before the wheel spins . )
😂 I love you honestly 👌 thank you
Bent the arm on my derailleur and the over sized system looks rad so I may have to give it a go.
That's how my wife got her new OSRD
@@EricRidesDirt Did that fix the shifting?
Didn't fix the shifting, it wasn't broken. But it did make the chain smoother
Here's all the reason you need.
It looks cool.
There :)
Price per watt savings is a great metric to look at. Personally, I like to dip my full naked body in a vat of cheap Vaseline. So aero. So affordable.
Oh man, how come I didn't think of that. Plus you will go faster in the water as well :)
@@EricRidesDirt - Oh no. I do that in T1 and then wash it all off in T2. ;) I think the how much does it spin in your hand is a bit misleading. When I tried to race on a fidget spinner in 2020 I failed miserably. I think the tricky part is how efficient/durable the bearings are under load not how long will it spin. You could probably test this by stripping out the bearing lubricant.
Worth it for style points alone
Wow thats it. Thanks for the videi, I was just about to buy me one. What about the benefit of ceramic bearing in the cranckset is it worth upgrading? Whats the savings
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Cool video. Thanks
24 seconds dont sound like much but thats enough time to be out of sight in tbe bike world. So its actually a lot
The spinning test isn't a very good indicator of how good the wheels are because there is no pressure on the wheel, thats when you may see a difference.
Bearings that free spin are considered worn out and up for replacement.
I know this is old, but... Not so much in relation to oversized, but In terms of materials and real bearings... is there a difference inn wear and easy of maintenance and cleaning? thanks from the Bike NOOB 🙂
1:11 ni las roldanas de mi 105 y el Veloce de los 90's giran tan mal.
Actually there's an upside to this on the lower end side of the spectrum.. lower end, such as the shimano alivio groupsets & below or even the Ltwoo brands. And it's not on the racing side of it, rather on a more efficient way of shifting gears.. i know many here (philippines) use this upgrade to smoothen their ride. No delayed shifts or etc. As far as i know.
The "reduce chain angle" part is wrong. bigger pulley can reduce "Each link's bending angle", but mean while needs to bend more joints because of less angle also bigger pulley. So the total energy is on how much angle each link need to turn in the full cycle.
So over all I think it's the same energy, or even the oversized will take more watts because it let the chain change more angle.
The number of joints which need to bend depends on the chainring number and cadence
Also，your another wrong thinking: when joints enter the pulley，after bending，there is no fiction before leave the pulley，so there is no need to worry about the angle
You can win races by mere seconds. If it means buying bigger jockey wheels to improve time by that much, then I'd do it.
Probably not much in the way of anything measurable, but what additional aero resistance is incurred by the large set up, if any?
That LIV bike is georgeous!
I'd ride it, no homo!
hahaha, I would as well. Looking good is half the battle.
Any data on dropping 3 or 5 lbs of bodyweight? Watts saved?
I have sram force axs short cage rear derailleur, so can’t run larger cassette than 10-33. If I install OSPW set up, with longer chain, can I run 10-36 or greater?
I don't thing so, the max cassette size doesn't have anything to do with the OSPW. Could confirm with SRam or ceramic speed or slf
AS a percentage of watts, does that mean the average rider at way lower watts (like 150) is gaining a higher percentage return. And would that hold true for a female rider.
Here’s the reason I would get it. Yes I have seen the scientific results and tests from other creators.. get it because it looks cool.. it’s your bike..make of it what you would like.. one worthy note is someone did the ceramic ones and he backside has no seal, so that actually would kill performance.. so just a heads. Up
bearings are meant to work under load, just spinning them is satisfying but doesnt tell sh*t XD
at 5:00. How is this OSPW cage offering lower chain tension? Ceramicspeed installation video literally reuses stock cage spring from the durace rd. This means the same tension is being applied before and after installation. If anything, in case you forgot to add a link or two of chain to account for the increased length of chain inside the rd and cassette section you actually introduce more tension with OSPW cage because the cage now gets pulled forward more. The larger cage also creates more drag which costs you wattage. Sure you can say it is fine because the cage is in the turbulence of the crankset but that is only true when you have perfect headwind. Simply not true in real riding. If you tally all the bonus and penalties the OPSW system probably will be wattage neutral... But hey at least the manufacturer is budget positive when you buy hahahaha.
The spring connectes at a slightly different position. There are actually 3 slots for the sprint. Low, medium and high tension
@@EricRidesDirt Stock has 2 slots on durace. I guess is they offer same if not similar amount of tension when adjusted to the slackest setting. Mind you you can only reduce the tension much before facing chain drop and frame slaps.
perfect thanks!
how much watts and weight saved going to single speed and removing all that stuff? are there chain tensioners for the front derailleur so that i can still shift up front?
Less weight while you ride! Excellent! Fast!
What about really dirty drive terrains does it save more watts because During triatholon you sweat, you bike collects lot of dust? Or what about a gravel race when you are riding in verry rough and dusty conditions?
If you wax your chain then it won't collect dust and dirt when riding and this won't change the wattage loses
Really surprise with the data yet I believe it. Its simply just more for esthetic...
It's worth it, i mean you bike will look more badass 😎
i bought it because it look goods on the camera
I almost bought it, it’s already added to cart. Guess I’ll be skipping this upgrade.
Placebo effect is effect thousands of pounds/dollars . If its cheap it cant be good. The same item but different name but with £200 added to the price tag = must be good.
I don't care what others think I would never do it for the wattage...lol I did it for the cosmetics...I should be heckled it's true but fast is first but it's gotta look good to me or it's not mine...I have never down graded for esthetics but I have not upgraded to my wallets potential to have a cohesive look...
"A ton of people" - three Irish women on the scale.
A lot of companies are getting into this whole "ceramic BB, ceramic pulley wheel system, over-sized jockey wheels" just to make money.
I've had oversized pullies before and i honestly notice a miniscule difference in resistance, but soon forgot it as i rode away.. i think it's mainly about ego.. Don't i look totally Kool with my over priced pullies.. i've seen sets of 2 that are going for $300 😆
when will people just admit they brought it for the aesthetics.
It's about how much watt it looks like you are out putting, rather than actually how much for most of us enthusiatics.
You can tell me I'm losing 5 watts by installing OSPWs, I'm still keeping that thing on. It looks good, I'm happy it looks good. That sounds like money well spent to me, but don't go around justifying the 0.25 watts saving that cost you 300$. You can lose 0.2 kg of fat, and gain some actual watts/kg for free
What gains you get from drive chain efficiency, you lose in aero deficiency.
My intuition says the nylon wheels are better than aluminium
I'm just a tart and like how they look. For my standard of riding its just a waste of time but then there is the sparkly accessories to happiness ratio....😁😅
It's all about what makes you happy so you go for it. You do you and love it
What about possible Aero drag and weight increase.
Great video. Looks cool and if you got the $$ then get it.
They look cool though. And you can get chinese brand carbon pulleys with ceramic bearings for 50 bucks. But they name brand ones are ridiculously overpriced imo.
You look good you ride good
I also heard the oversize jockey wheel creates more aerodynamic drag which nullifies the benefits. Lol
Yup, heard that as well. This is why I am getting the new aero system from SLF Motion.
OSPWs look slick and as the saying goes: The slicker u look the faster you'll go, right? 😆😆😆
Looking good is over half the battle to go fast
1 watt on jockey, 4 watts BB, 2 watts narrow bars, 4 watts aero frame, 1watt aero sock, etc.. 10 watts at least if it matters to you as an athlete. And dont' athletes measure their performance in seconds?? But moreover, it saves you the doubt that you wonder, is it my bike or me... IF,,, if you eliminate the bike as a factor, then it really helps YOU, as the athlete to know that YOU must perform better when all else is addressed.
Ok, it's so nice explanation.Anyway my concern is,how about in climbing? It's a big help though?Thank you...🙂
Ceramic bearing deterioration is quicker they end up robbing you of .5 wat.
All about the Bling. I don't notice any performance gains.
The gains will be very small and not noticable but it is faster.