The B58 may not be a 2JZ but I'm not looking for 1000hp or anything near it. 450whp-500whp is beyond plenty for this car after proper mods. However, I do wonder about the reliability for long term both stock and modified.
Toyota had engine components sent to their R&D facilities in Japan for durability tests and modified them to match their standards. (It was mentioned in a Toyota presentation) No one knows for sure if its gonna be Corolla reliable, but at the very least it's gonna last longer than a bmw lol
In the past, Supras were build on chassis from Toyota's business (Chaiser, Mark, Cressida, Aristo) sedans and had engines from them in order to showcase brand's power and pride. The only thing new Supra showcases - Toyotas greasiness and shame. V35A-FTS could easily be factory tunned to have around 500hp without sacrificing reliability, only fuel economy and remissions. It would be one hell of a Supra on TNGA-N platform from new Crown, it would have front mid engine layout, just like the Crown. . They also could tune Aisin 10 speed for more sporty behaviour.. And no one would care that it would have v6 instead of i6 as no one cares that original R32 GTR had RB i6 were is modern once have v6es. I am really glead that this pice of junk has very bad sales and i hope that new Nissan Z will totally outrsell this Toyota badged BMW.
T 800 I can’t agree more, the sales of the A90 are terrible and it is being discontinued in 2025. I hope Tetsuya Tada has learned a lesson here. DON’T let a competing manufacturer build your flagship sports car. I totally agree they could have retuned the 10 speed auto or used the 7speed Getrag DCT as the MK4 used the Getrag 6 speed manual.
There's an ECU tune for V35A-FTS that can turn it into 650 ho beast. It great, modern and complex engine that has already proven to be reliable. Why didn't they USE it for the supra along with TNGA-N chassis from new crown? Why they have let ES to berry GS alive and cripple iS? they could Use it for new GS and for iS F. Why won't they make LC F already? It's so painful to see how they lose bran image battle.
Great comment T800, I feel Toyota is slipping so far behind with delaying the v8 twin turbo as well. But yes my main gripe is that Toyota used a BMW engine and platform for the Supra.
@@supravworld8777 Lexus could make really cool IS and GS, but now it's to late since ES killed them. Sure that crap is profitable, but is it more profitable than GS and IS combined? It did ate their sales quit a bit and when sedans become less popular it killed them. Also it steals sales from Toyota Avalon. But even if it is as profitable then these two combined (considering development costs) they have lost brand image and marvelous cars like LS, LC and upcoming QX won't sell because of that. Also it was stupid of them to not update LS 460 for more than 10 years. Trying to sit on two chairs - is stupid, you can't be semi luxury and full luxury brand at once. And if something has Macpherson struts and fwd, it can't be a luxury car, or a sports car and it definitely can't be both. Lexus could use TNGA-N (lightweight rwd platform found in new Toyota Crown) for new iS and GS. They could use upcoming twin turbo 2.4 i4 (320hp) as a option for the iS in addition to current 2.0 turbo AR. That tt 2.4 i4 could also be a base engine for new GS and 3.4 tt V6 (420hp) would optional. And Lexus could make iS F with boosted tt v6 and GS F with 4.6 tt V8 (650+hp) that they use in racing and promise to bring in LC F. And all of that could be paired to that amazing Aisin 10 speed. Technology and engineering wise Japanese have been among leaders since 1980s Back than their metallurgy technology was far superior than that in other countries and only they could build long stroke engines that were high revving, due to mass production of light and strong crankshafts. They were smooth, economical and powerful even before ECUs. That's how they concarade the world. Then they showed how injection, variable valve timing, active awd systems and turbocharging is done properly and reliably. They were also first to implement these technologies in mass production of affordable vehicles. And they always use high quality materials and components for their engines and transitions along with proper, reliability conscious injenering.. But now when i want to buy proper midsize luxury sport sedan that is properly engineered (unlike germans which fall apart in 3 years and take more oil than thay do gass ride from the factory), i have no option now. And it's really a shame, since they have all ingredients for making proper luxury cars on their hands in this moment.
Crazy that a Sports Car manufacturer (Lotus) uses a Toyota engine for their cars... ..but Toyota wont in their own sports car. Strange times. Just got to your LC500 suggestion. lol I've been saying since beginging the Supra should have been a reshelled LC500 rather than a reshelled bmw. I feel like a turbo LC500 would be the spiritual tuning successor
Perhaps, Toyota was thinking about CO2 emissions for this new engine. Yes, 500cc more is great but is or was it viable in the future life of this generation supra. BMW makes some of the best engines when it comes to torque bands. Steady peak torque way down low. Lets just let see what happens the tests do come out. It is a good alternative to the Porsche 718 and much cheaper. The pair might have a winner on their hands even against the expensive 718 GTS. 1st this isnt a 100k car and shouldn't be compared as such. 2nd this isnt an M version motor yet in this car. There might 450hp to 500hp is in the works.
I'd rather have the B58 over a toyota V6. The supra having a straight six is more important to me...Also the B58 is really making around 380 or so HP. Proven by the new supra laying down 339hp at the rear wheels (car and driver). Not a shock, the B58 has been around for a few years now in BMWs and they all put down at the wheels close to their claimed crank power. So yeah I would love for it to have been a Toyota engine but Toyota made the right choice over putting a v6 in it or developing their on inline 6 and charging us $80k - $100k for the car. oh and not to mention car and driver also did a 0-60 run in 3.8 seconds and the quarter in 12.3 @ 113mph. so the new Supra is plenty powerful and quick stock. Most videos of people driving it they seem surprised at how quick it is for its claimed power..Thats because its really making that number or better at the wheels.
You said everybody makes closed deck blocks, its basic standard stuff.... thats not true at all, EVERY Subaru engine built today are all open deck blocks, Nissan 370z has an open deck block, Mitsubishis 4b11t motor on the evo x was also open deck block, all Fords eco boost cars are open deck, the focus ST, focus RS and eco boost mustang are all open deck blocks , the K20C1 engine in the Civic Type R is an open deck block, New toyota carrola and Camry have open deck blocks, just about every new Hyundai has an open deck block, even the Lexus is250 has an open deck block, I mean the list can go on and on a lot of car manufacturers make open deck blocks, not many do closed deck blocks in turbo motors anymore like they used to back in the 90s, that's why everyone was excited and hyped up the supras engine is closed deck because turbo motors today aside from BMW, Audi, and Mercedes dont use open deck blocks anymore.
@@conradsealy9603 False, the ONLY modern turbo Nissan block that is closed deck is the GTRs. For example, the 2019 Nissan turbo Altima, guess what, it has an open deck block.
@@conradsealy9603 dude, my posts are referring to Modern day engines you artard..... modern day engines.... not engines from the 90s.... The VG30 and SR blocks by Nissan are from the 90s..... the video and my post were referring to MODERN DAY ENGINES...... next time, please read my entire post before you post my way and waste my time.... in my original post i clearly said... turbo engines today dont have closed deck blocks like they did in the 90s... wow dude... just wow.
I would love to see a review on the first belt and that changed more like how much would it cost every time to pull the hole engine out just to get a belt changed lol since its at the back of the engine... why is it at the back???
2 years later... The b58 is a monster engine with massive tuning potential, and the v35a sounds like a wet fart that cant make anywhere near the same power,
Great review with honest and informative info, Supra had to come with a straight 6 giving it that silky smooth power, wish it had a Toyota engine but better to have a new Supra than not one at all, i would definitely buy one, Keep these great reviews coming👍👍
I think you'd still get hate if it was that engine, we would still be hearing *ToYoTa ShOuLD HaVe PuT the 2Jz oR ThEY ShOuLD oF MaDe a 3Jz*. I myself wouldn't want a V6 in a Supra it'd literally be nothing new and it would sound too much of the same as a 370z. And also the engine is heavier then the B58C. The B58C was probably the closest Toyota could get to a 2jz successor since they don't make inline6 engines anymore. Great video though I know you weren't hating , you were speaking facts about both engines but regardless we got what we got, and it will be a awesome car for the new decade.
@@supravworld8777 Also with simple bolt ons and a tune you can be at 450hp. No E85, No upgrading the turbo, A simple bootmod3 flashtune gets you there I've been seeing people do that with there 340i's. It's amazing. The tuning is moving fast for this engine already. A guy on IG that actually did change the turbo to a stage 3 and went full E85 is at 711whp. It's only going to get better for the B58 having the Supra name attached to it.
Toyota did wat they could to give ppl a straight 6 I doubt they’d change that about the car I kno Nissan did but I always looked at Toyota as sticking to what people ask for
@@Mokujo Yamaha assisted with the development of the *1JZ*, some argue their efforts were confined to just the cylinder head. Though perhaps some of the original Yamaha contribution to the 1JZ carried over to the 2JZ, it's still very much a Toyota engine.
It would cost Toyota a lot of money to build the V 3.5 turbo engine for the Supra price increase compared to b58 inline 6 Is large ! Toyota Maybe not sale as many Supras with a extra 10k price tag 😥 But yeah that would have been awesome if Toyota would have but still love a str6!
Great comment Shane. I doubt BMW will let Toyota anywhere near the future S58 parts bin. They know they have one up on the Supra with the M2 Competition with the S55.
Lmfao jokes on u the supra is gonna have a s58 with a manual. I dont understand why people shit on the b58 it has flaws but its still a great engine and no ones gonna want a v6 in the supra that wouldve been a fat disappointment. Im just here waiting for all the clowns who shit on this car bc it has a bimmer engine to be sucking its dick in the future when everything is electric.
You like the getrag transmission? I hate the one in my 2017 5.0. Much rather have a T56 Tremec like I had in my 03 cobra. That getrag is clunky as hell
No doubt Toyota would of requested a B58 engine for testing and would of suggested changes to be made to the some of the components to meet there standard. For Toyota to make a engine just for the Supra is not good economics. The 2jz was not only in the Supra but was also in other Toyota and Lexus models. Also they used the 1JZ that was co develop with Yamaha and designed and made the 2JZ. If the Supra sells well they might look at making a engine for the A100 model using design elements of the B58 and the engine could be also used in other future Toyota and Lexus models.
I know, it’s just something we are going to have to accept. I need to be more polite to our BMW watches as well as I seem to be taking my frustrations out against BMW
Hey Edward, YES, this Lexus platform you mentioned was going to be a part of this same video but it was getting too long. That could have used the fronts& rear subframe from the Lexus RCF or LC500 which would be a TRUE TOYOTA SUPRA. Thank you for a brilliant coment😁😁
Tada San wanted an inline 6 in the new Supra and not a V6. Every car guy know an inline 6 is better than a V6. Toyota took this engine apart and made necessary changes to meet Toyota standards. Even BMW were taken a back when they saw the high standards Toyota has. This engine would have been open deck in any BMW if not for Toyota but because Toyota made the decision to make it closed deck for turning potential.
The new supra has a 3.5l v6 twin turbo but dodge couldn't put at least a turbo on the 3.5l v6 on the dodge charger/challenger so sad even on the new ones
Rams Hacks First of all, the Supra has a BMW B58 3.0l I6 twin-scroll engine, second of all if dodge put a turbo in the 3.6l pentastar, it would be faster than the R/T and they wouldn’t want the V6 being faster than their V8
It doesn't even have a supra shell!!!!! All they had to do is keep what worked with the mark 4 body and make it just a little edgier, almost like they did with the challenger.
I believe this new Supra should have 600 horsepower and 600 foot lbs torque for today standard because the little Honda Civic type R already came with 306 horsepower today people are hungry for horsepower not a pretty car with small power..
Supras were never ment to even be in that hp range especially the mk4 yes it's a powerful car but it sucked at pretty much everything except the track and was competition for the Z's like they are now and they wanted a safe hp so that the car would still be reliable and close to the mk4s stock hp (not like the gtr then that'd just boost up the price that they didn't want it at)
Well said i agree with you ! But toyota is one of the biggest manufactory in the world so they definitely they had the same thoughts and for them to turn on a competitor brand like bmw means that they really need it .the car realy need it! I hope the GRMN edition to be stronger and lighter and the next supra to be a 100% so we can argue with bmw guys in comments! Cheers
This new supra shows how difficult it is to produce a car to match the Nissan GTR R35. Even the new NSX could match the GTR Nismo. The new 2020 GTR Nismo is even more superior.
Supra was never competing with the gtr nor the nsx in the first place the real competition was the 300zx(which the mk5s competition now is the 370z). Sure it was fast for straight lines and reliability but after that it sucked at everything else afterword and it even sold so badly that Toyota pulled them out of the US market years before it ceased production and lost them a bunch of money.
It's a supra doesn't matter if it mostly has BMW parts. If Toyota says it's a supra it's a supra. Plus the supras were only supposed to compete with cars like the Z's not the GTR and what Toyota still kept it as basically a 300+hp gt tourer like the mk4 was not some power house you can use for drag racing which the mk4 was not built for but what the tuners since they screwed with its engine thought it Was some power house car capable at killing everything on the strip(except the track)and is still staying to its roots like the mk4(although it isn't failing in sales like the mk4 was)
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 i know all that, but at the end when u go to meets, the bmw prople can and will take credit for the powerplant!!! andnit sits on the bmw chasis ,i wouldnt defend a company who can take a flagship and be lazy to make a new powerplant while all customers support them and make them millions!! they asked nussan if they will go that route and they said no!! honda nsx is all honda cmon if u a toyota fan u not gonna be happy with ur supra knowing its a bmw lmaoo , so maybe Toyota will hear its customers outcry and build a powerplant
Love to have that 3.5 V6 Twin Turbo along with AWD in my 2018 Camry XSE! Feeling SUPRA VWORLD more and more keep up the good work.
The B58 may not be a 2JZ but I'm not looking for 1000hp or anything near it. 450whp-500whp is beyond plenty for this car after proper mods. However, I do wonder about the reliability for long term both stock and modified.
Toyota had engine components sent to their R&D facilities in Japan for durability tests and modified them to match their standards. (It was mentioned in a Toyota presentation)
No one knows for sure if its gonna be Corolla reliable, but at the very least it's gonna last longer than a bmw lol
@@simonriley983 it's still a bmw
@@FEVERNOVAA noted, and acknowledged
@@FEVERNOVAA Technically, yes it is.
In the past, Supras were build on chassis from Toyota's business (Chaiser, Mark, Cressida, Aristo) sedans and had engines from them in order to showcase brand's power and pride. The only thing new Supra showcases - Toyotas greasiness and shame.
V35A-FTS could easily be factory tunned to have around 500hp without sacrificing reliability, only fuel economy and remissions. It would be one hell of a Supra on TNGA-N platform from new Crown, it would have front mid engine layout, just like the Crown. . They also could tune Aisin 10 speed for more sporty behaviour.. And no one would care that it would have v6 instead of i6 as no one cares that original R32 GTR had RB i6 were is modern once have v6es.
I am really glead that this pice of junk has very bad sales and i hope that new Nissan Z will totally outrsell this Toyota badged BMW.
T 800 I can’t agree more, the sales of the A90 are terrible and it is being discontinued in 2025. I hope Tetsuya Tada has learned a lesson here. DON’T let a competing manufacturer build your flagship sports car. I totally agree they could have retuned the 10 speed auto or used the 7speed Getrag DCT as the MK4 used the Getrag 6 speed manual.
There's an ECU tune for V35A-FTS that can turn it into 650 ho beast.
It great, modern and complex engine that has already proven to be reliable. Why didn't they USE it for the supra along with TNGA-N chassis from new crown? Why they have let ES to berry GS alive and cripple iS? they could Use it for new GS and for iS F. Why won't they make LC F already?
It's so painful to see how they lose bran image battle.
Great comment T800, I feel Toyota is slipping so far behind with delaying the v8 twin turbo as well. But yes my main gripe is that Toyota used a BMW engine and platform for the Supra.
@@supravworld8777I agree.
@@supravworld8777 Lexus could make really cool IS and GS, but now it's to late since ES killed them. Sure that crap is profitable, but is it more profitable than GS and IS combined? It did ate their sales quit a bit and when sedans become less popular it killed them. Also it steals sales from Toyota Avalon. But even if it is as profitable then these two combined (considering development costs) they have lost brand image and marvelous cars like LS, LC and upcoming QX won't sell because of that. Also it was stupid of them to not update LS 460 for more than 10 years. Trying to sit on two chairs - is stupid, you can't be semi luxury and full luxury brand at once. And if something has Macpherson struts and fwd, it can't be a luxury car, or a sports car and it definitely can't be both.
Lexus could use TNGA-N (lightweight rwd platform found in new Toyota Crown) for new iS and GS. They could use upcoming twin turbo 2.4 i4 (320hp) as a option for the iS in addition to current 2.0 turbo AR. That tt 2.4 i4 could also be a base engine for new GS and 3.4 tt V6 (420hp) would optional. And Lexus could make iS F with boosted tt v6 and GS F with 4.6 tt V8 (650+hp) that they use in racing and promise to bring in LC F. And all of that could be paired to that amazing Aisin 10 speed.
Technology and engineering wise Japanese have been among leaders since 1980s Back than their metallurgy technology was far superior than that in other countries and only they could build long stroke engines that were high revving, due to mass production of light and strong crankshafts. They were smooth, economical and powerful even before ECUs. That's how they concarade the world. Then they showed how injection, variable valve timing, active awd systems and turbocharging is done properly and reliably. They were also first to implement these technologies in mass production of affordable vehicles. And they always use high quality materials and components for their engines and transitions along with proper, reliability conscious injenering.. But now when i want to buy proper midsize luxury sport sedan that is properly engineered (unlike germans which fall apart in 3 years and take more oil than thay do gass ride from the factory), i have no option now. And it's really a shame, since they have all ingredients for making proper luxury cars on their hands in this moment.
Honestly I'd rather the b58 than a V6. A v6 is mundane and can be found in any suv these days. Inline 6s are just better engines.
Bet your a 2jz fan ....screw inline 6 if its not diesel it don't make sense
Inlines are very unbalanced
@@JohnSmith-ip8kp i know but for cars I'd never choose an inline 6
Crazy that a Sports Car manufacturer (Lotus) uses a Toyota engine for their cars...
..but Toyota wont in their own sports car.
Strange times.
Just got to your LC500 suggestion. lol I've been saying since beginging the Supra should have been a reshelled LC500 rather than a reshelled bmw. I feel like a turbo LC500 would be the spiritual tuning successor
it's not trying to be a supercar and lose it's heritage. Toyota stayed true to their origins unlike honda and nissan
Anthony T by using others engine is not losing heritage? 😅😂🤦🏻♂️
I know your being sarcastic😂
@@nelc2399 you're missing the point, no point explaining to someone short minded
Sean Graffis 🤪😂🤪
Anthony T 😊
Totally agree. And toyota doesn't have a lack of any RWD platforms either, using the is350/rc350 platforms would have been sufficient
Perhaps, Toyota was thinking about CO2 emissions for this new engine. Yes, 500cc more is great but is or was it viable in the future life of this generation supra. BMW makes some of the best engines when it comes to torque bands. Steady peak torque way down low. Lets just let see what happens the tests do come out. It is a good alternative to the Porsche 718 and much cheaper. The pair might have a winner on their hands even against the expensive 718 GTS. 1st this isnt a 100k car and shouldn't be compared as such. 2nd this isnt an M version motor yet in this car. There might 450hp to 500hp is in the works.
I'd rather have the B58 over a toyota V6. The supra having a straight six is more important to me...Also the B58 is really making around 380 or so HP. Proven by the new supra laying down 339hp at the rear wheels (car and driver). Not a shock, the B58 has been around for a few years now in BMWs and they all put down at the wheels close to their claimed crank power. So yeah I would love for it to have been a Toyota engine but Toyota made the right choice over putting a v6 in it or developing their on inline 6 and charging us $80k - $100k for the car. oh and not to mention car and driver also did a 0-60 run in 3.8 seconds and the quarter in 12.3 @ 113mph. so the new Supra is plenty powerful and quick stock. Most videos of people driving it they seem surprised at how quick it is for its claimed power..Thats because its really making that number or better at the wheels.
The Mark X is pretty close to what a 100% "Toyota" Supra would be like
You said everybody makes closed deck blocks, its basic standard stuff.... thats not true at all, EVERY Subaru engine built today are all open deck blocks, Nissan 370z has an open deck block, Mitsubishis 4b11t motor on the evo x was also open deck block, all Fords eco boost cars are open deck, the focus ST, focus RS and eco boost mustang are all open deck blocks , the K20C1 engine in the Civic Type R is an open deck block, New toyota carrola and Camry have open deck blocks, just about every new Hyundai has an open deck block, even the Lexus is250 has an open deck block, I mean the list can go on and on a lot of car manufacturers make open deck blocks, not many do closed deck blocks in turbo motors anymore like they used to back in the 90s, that's why everyone was excited and hyped up the supras engine is closed deck because turbo motors today aside from BMW, Audi, and Mercedes dont use open deck blocks anymore.
Subaru make some shitty engines
Nissan only uses the open deck on their N/A engines. ALL Nissan turbo engines have closed deck blocks.
@@conradsealy9603 False, the ONLY modern turbo Nissan block that is closed deck is the GTRs. For example, the 2019 Nissan turbo Altima, guess what, it has an open deck block.
@@slothystyle are you sure? The VG30,RB series,SR20,CA series turbo engines all have closed decks.
@@conradsealy9603 dude, my posts are referring to Modern day engines you artard..... modern day engines.... not engines from the 90s.... The VG30 and SR blocks by Nissan are from the 90s..... the video and my post were referring to MODERN DAY ENGINES...... next time, please read my entire post before you post my way and waste my time.... in my original post i clearly said... turbo engines today dont have closed deck blocks like they did in the 90s... wow dude... just wow.
I would love to see a review on the first belt and that changed more like how much would it cost every time to pull the hole engine out just to get a belt changed lol since its at the back of the engine... why is it at the back???
Now what will it take to get this powerplant in a Camry with AWD
2 years later... The b58 is a monster engine with massive tuning potential, and the v35a sounds like a wet fart that cant make anywhere near the same power,
The only engine that belongs in a supra is an inline 6, nothing else
Great review with honest and informative info, Supra had to come with a straight 6 giving it that silky smooth power, wish it had a Toyota engine but better to have a new Supra than not one at all, i would definitely buy one,
Keep these great reviews coming👍👍
Thank you for the kind words John.yes I hope Toyota has been changing a few things in this B58 engine to make it there own.
more videos coming soon
I think you'd still get hate if it was that engine, we would still be hearing *ToYoTa ShOuLD HaVe PuT the 2Jz oR ThEY ShOuLD oF MaDe a 3Jz*. I myself wouldn't want a V6 in a Supra it'd literally be nothing new and it would sound too much of the same as a 370z. And also the engine is heavier then the B58C. The B58C was probably the closest Toyota could get to a 2jz successor since they don't make inline6 engines anymore. Great video though I know you weren't hating , you were speaking facts about both engines but regardless we got what we got, and it will be a awesome car for the new decade.
yes good response Geekjockey, anything new from Toyota is good once it finally arrives. I think Toyota has quite a bit of input on this engine now.
@@supravworld8777 Also with simple bolt ons and a tune you can be at 450hp. No E85, No upgrading the turbo, A simple bootmod3 flashtune gets you there I've been seeing people do that with there 340i's. It's amazing. The tuning is moving fast for this engine already. A guy on IG that actually did change the turbo to a stage 3 and went full E85 is at 711whp. It's only going to get better for the B58 having the Supra name attached to it.
Toyota did wat they could to give ppl a straight 6
I doubt they’d change that about the car
I kno Nissan did but I always looked at Toyota as sticking to what people ask for
Supra ended with the MKIV.
You mean the car with a Yamaha motor?
@@Mokujo The one with a JAPANESE MOTOR.
@@Mokujo Yamaha assisted with the development of the *1JZ*, some argue their efforts were confined to just the cylinder head.
Though perhaps some of the original Yamaha contribution to the 1JZ carried over to the 2JZ, it's still very much a Toyota engine.
Oh boy, not sure this video has aged well. Safe to say: the mk5 is underrated
It would cost Toyota a lot of money to build the V 3.5 turbo engine for the Supra price increase compared to b58 inline 6
Is large ! Toyota Maybe not sale as many Supras with a extra 10k price tag 😥
But yeah that would have been awesome if Toyota would have but still love a str6!
Cheeky bastard 😂 I'm trying to put that V35A-FTS in my RC350F 😅
Before it came out, it's exactly that Lexus engine I had in mind for the Supra..
Great comment Shane. I doubt BMW will let Toyota anywhere near the future S58 parts bin. They know they have one up on the Supra with the M2 Competition with the S55.
Lmfao jokes on u the supra is gonna have a s58 with a manual. I dont understand why people shit on the b58 it has flaws but its still a great engine and no ones gonna want a v6 in the supra that wouldve been a fat disappointment. Im just here waiting for all the clowns who shit on this car bc it has a bimmer engine to be sucking its dick in the future when everything is electric.
I hope the reliability is not on the BMW side because I need a CPO in 2 years
We love the mk4 supra not only because of the 2jz, but also because of the GETRAG transmission
And it's a Toyota not a bmw
скучаю по мне с этим прямым дерьмом the new supra is abomination
You like the getrag transmission? I hate the one in my 2017 5.0. Much rather have a T56 Tremec like I had in my 03 cobra. That getrag is clunky as hell
jrvbamafan1 I like the Getrag on the Supra
3.5 TT is in the LS not LC
Midget design, fake vents, short base, unreliable complicated engine, and auto trans. It’s a failure
Well if your rich enough throw the bmw engine out of it and throw a 2jz in it
if you are rich you get mk4 supra
@ogeid zedalav what?! no! thats not how carguys works/thinks!
They already have these with 2jz swaps in Japan. So I hear.
No doubt Toyota would of requested a B58 engine for testing and would of suggested changes to be made to the some of the components to meet there standard. For Toyota to make a engine just for the Supra is not good economics. The 2jz was not only in the Supra but was also in other Toyota and Lexus models. Also they used the 1JZ that was co develop with Yamaha and designed and made the 2JZ. If the Supra sells well they might look at making a engine for the A100 model using design elements of the B58 and the engine could be also used in other future Toyota and Lexus models.
I'm pissed because now I can afford to buy one. I can't fit in the damn thing.
I know, it’s just something we are going to have to accept. I need to be more polite to our BMW watches as well as I seem to be taking my frustrations out against BMW
Hey Edward, YES, this Lexus platform you mentioned was going to be a part of this same video but it was getting too long. That could have used the fronts& rear subframe from the Lexus RCF or LC500 which would be a TRUE TOYOTA SUPRA.
Thank you for a brilliant coment😁😁
Tada San wanted an inline 6 in the new Supra and not a V6. Every car guy know an inline 6 is better than a V6. Toyota took this engine apart and made necessary changes to meet Toyota standards. Even BMW were taken a back when they saw the high standards Toyota has. This engine would have been open deck in any BMW if not for Toyota but because Toyota made the decision to make it closed deck for turning potential.
The lfa should be the new supra with the ttv6
Did he just call the N54 a lemon LMFAO.. Dude don't know shit if he thinks the N54 are lemons.
I've been harping about this since the car was camouflaged doing laps at the nurburgring.
New Supra or Model Y?
good video, I'm still SMH @ Toyota....
The lc500 engine we need in it
No it can stay in the LC.
The new supra has a 3.5l v6 twin turbo but dodge couldn't put at least a turbo on the 3.5l v6 on the dodge charger/challenger so sad even on the new ones
Rams Hacks First of all, the Supra has a BMW B58 3.0l I6 twin-scroll engine, second of all if dodge put a turbo in the 3.6l pentastar, it would be faster than the R/T and they wouldn’t want the V6 being faster than their V8
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I dont care how much knowledge people think they have about the Toyota and BMW, stop pretending to know more than the manufacturers.
It doesn't even have a supra shell!!!!! All they had to do is keep what worked with the mark 4 body and make it just a little edgier, almost like they did with the challenger.
They can keep this pos as long as there's a BMW lump under the hood. I'll stick to my mk4tt...
Sean Malcolm good for you 👍🏿
Yea keep playing forza shit head you could just dreaming to have such cars
@@zaid9988 go take your meds.
I believe this new Supra should have 600 horsepower and 600 foot lbs torque for today standard because the little Honda Civic type R already came with 306 horsepower today people are hungry for horsepower not a pretty car with small power..
Supras were never ment to even be in that hp range especially the mk4 yes it's a powerful car but it sucked at pretty much everything except the track and was competition for the Z's like they are now and they wanted a safe hp so that the car would still be reliable and close to the mk4s stock hp (not like the gtr then that'd just boost up the price that they didn't want it at)
Well said i agree with you ! But toyota is one of the biggest manufactory in the world so they definitely they had the same thoughts and for them to turn on a competitor brand like bmw means that they really need it .the car realy need it! I hope the GRMN edition to be stronger and lighter and the next supra to be a 100% so we can argue with bmw guys in comments! Cheers
hahahah, I have been thinking the same thingThodoris,we can't fight we BMW fans anymore, what is the world coming to?
I6 is so much better than v6...i6 has more room for a big snail under the hood
This is all new BMW Z5
V6 ? You don’t say
A V6 would be a bigger diversion from the supra brand than using a BMW engine. Almost every complaint on this car is just semantics.
yes I think people are starting to get comfortable with the B58 now, especially because it will be used in some Lexus models as well
He'll now a Supra must never have a v shape engine don't matter if Toyota made it I prefer a inline don't matter the engine maker
Why? Even if it's a V6, it is still made by Toyota and will prove more reliable than a BMW engine in the long run.
@@ledenkmems2503 u don't understand the most important thing to the Supra is a inline 6
This new supra shows how difficult it is to produce a car to match the Nissan GTR R35. Even the new NSX could match the GTR Nismo. The new 2020 GTR Nismo is even more superior.
The supra shows how Toyota didn't even try
@@FEVERNOVAA its a tall order to do that and still be profitable. Just ask Honda how difficult that is.
Supra was never competing with the gtr nor the nsx in the first place the real competition was the 300zx(which the mk5s competition now is the 370z). Sure it was fast for straight lines and reliability but after that it sucked at everything else afterword and it even sold so badly that Toyota pulled them out of the US market years before it ceased production and lost them a bunch of money.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976well. Thats about all it can compete against. The new nsx is way more superior than this new supra.
@@conradsealy9603 again the supra was never competing with them it was always competing with the Z
Why do British/Canadian/Australian people say zed not zeeee
Fuck you bitch.
Matthew James so the other British who stole a different country?!
u mean inline 6?
Try to actually watch the video before you write a comment about the title.
@@supravworld8777 nope you’re boring
The only thing on the Toyota supra at is BMW is the engine everything else 8s Toyota, Toyota built the engine but with BMW plan
Awesome video shed a lot of light on the subject , definitely a good car but like you said why that engine it's just not right .
thanks Miko, yes this will be no legend unlike the JZA80
There really fucked up the Supra 🤦♂️...!!!!!
Why do we we disappoint?
In America we called Fix Or Repair Daily
I rather see the production model the then the concept, the concept is ugly the production model look way nice
That’s degrading Toyota Supra crazy Toyota could have done way better
everyone stop it, its a bmwwwwww if u go to a car meet, bmw people will be like, it's really a bmw smh long live nissan gtr!!!
It's a supra doesn't matter if it mostly has BMW parts. If Toyota says it's a supra it's a supra. Plus the supras were only supposed to compete with cars like the Z's not the GTR and what Toyota still kept it as basically a 300+hp gt tourer like the mk4 was not some power house you can use for drag racing which the mk4 was not built for but what the tuners since they screwed with its engine thought it Was some power house car capable at killing everything on the strip(except the track)and is still staying to its roots like the mk4(although it isn't failing in sales like the mk4 was)
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 i know all that, but at the end when u go to meets, the bmw prople can and will take credit for the powerplant!!! andnit sits on the bmw chasis ,i wouldnt defend a company who can take a flagship and be lazy to make a new powerplant while all customers support them and make them millions!! they asked nussan if they will go that route and they said no!! honda nsx is all honda cmon if u a toyota fan u not gonna be happy with ur supra knowing its a bmw lmaoo , so maybe Toyota will hear its customers outcry and build a powerplant
Toyota only needed the engine all the rest are Toyota
Why did he black Supra cheats !!!
So disapointed who desine rhos thing
Its not supr its shit z4. Please remove the toyota and supra logo from this z4
I’m very disappointed
It’s not a V6
try watching the video. I'm referring to the V6 that is made by Toyota, not BMW
@@supravworld8777 Not gonna get subscribers sounding like a douche to replies 😆
@@supravworld8777 it's a L6...
Just buy a gtr, this is shit
Better to never have made it
Car Girl not having it is actually better