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The guy who’s motor blew was at a sanctioned auto cross even which was part of a membership that Toyota offered with the car. The reason why they didn’t wanna cover it is because they checked his social media and saw him drifting it. But Toyota corporate did the right thing and fixed it. Lesson learned, always scrub stuff that could give them a reason to not cover it. And also, contact corporate if the swine of a dealer declines, even though you didn’t do anything wrong.
Absolutely, civics were fun with 128 hp. A few hundred extra pounds, near double the hp, and rear wheels drive. Never driven one, but I want one. Too bad in the meme era people are just cranking up the power in everything, or making it look a way to impress. No one is just enjoying a well made stock car
Sure.... if you Red Line the engine....so it's not relevant, unless you breaking every traffic, which I hope your not, because if you hit me my lawyer will hang you out to dry.....just saying.....
I bought a 2013 Scion FR-S new and by March of 2020 I had put 186,000 mi on it on my commute. That car is the most fun I've ever had in any car I've ever owned and it is ridiculously reliable. But in March of 2020, I started working from home and a year later retired, so the only thing I use that car for now, literally is to drive back and forth to church every few weeks to keep the seals from drying out. I put nine sets of Michelin SS on that car and here in Kentucky on these beautiful twisties that I drove to work everyday I did my share of drifting, but the tires are so sticky that most of the time it was a slot car. And I averaged 34 miles per gallon. The reason I keep it is because license and insurance are very inexpensive out here and I believe the car has bottomed out in value. It will only be more valuable as time goes on. So I've become that old guy that has a classic sports car in his garage from when he was younger except I wasn't that young. I was 59 when I bought it. This car Harkins back to the days when my friends and I drove Austin-Healey 3000s, opal gts, mg's, etc. I used to own an opel GT and really love that car, but this is like the opel on stereoids. This is also why when I bought the car I bought it with no options and have kept it 100% stock. In many ways I consider this car to be as much of a classic as the first Corvettes or the Porsche Spyder, or the Toyota 2000. Time is going to be very kind to the first versions of this car. In my opinion. By the way, I did my first brake job at 142,000 mi. There was still pad left. They don't use cops to keep speed down around here. They use deer. Watch for deer in you're golden.
@@Mav86asian I owned an Opel GT in the early 70s. My friends owned mg's and even one owned and Austin Healey 3000. This car is reminiscent of those cars and much more powerful much more roomy and a lot more fun to drive. I've never been into muscle cars would have always been into cars that handle well. And for my 150 mile round trip to Louisville everyday, mostly on the twisties of kentucky, this thing was a blast for years, before I retired, with 186k reliable miles on that car.
Both the BRZ and GR86 are basically half Toyota half Subaru. The engine is designed by Subaru (but also uses Toyota’s D-4S fuel injection system), and the transmission is made by Toyota/Aisin .
I have the 2024 BRZ, and I love it. There is another difference between the BRZ & GR86 is the suspension is different. The Toyota version has a suspension tuned more for track; and the Subaru is tuned more for daily driving.
I will say there is slight suspension differences between the 86 and the BRZ that lead them to drive slightly different. The BRZ is a little more compliant and the 86 is a little more solid. Personally I prefer the way the BRZ feels and carries through a corner. The 86 feels more connected, but that also makes it feel a little more jumpy and skittish, whereas the BRZ absorbs a little more road chatter.
@@JetskiMike sorry to tell you this but toyo poop is not only buying brz to to re brand is also is buying the subaru electric suv SOLTERRA to re SALE with the toyo poop logo, just like the yaris is being built by Mazda and the new supra being assembled in austria by BMW.
I always have fun when watching Scotty’s videos. He tells it like it is, and has a ball doing it! Since he’s so good about describing every car’s pros AND CONS, sometimes I think maybe I should just get a nice bicycle or take the bus. [BTW, can you imagine how LESS upbeat he’d come across to his viewers if each time he filmed a review he didn’t precede it with some good, long hits off his bong?]
Scotty is wrong about the automatic transmission. Both the BRZ/GR86 has an 6 speed auto transmission taken from an older 2005 Lexus vehicle. So they're very reliable.
There are some very subtle suspension geometry differences that essentially makes the Subaru ride a little softer on the highway but at higher limits, both handle the same.
I’ve never liked silicone jointing compounds and would rather have a conventional gasket or the rubber seal type that fits in to a groove and can’t move. Obviously they cost more but sure are less aggro when it comes to reassembling parts.
Hi Scotty I got a 2010 Subaru Forester with 430,000k on it and still going has a slight oil leak, but I just top it up between services. all I have replaced on the car is the radiator and an oxygen all the rest is original.I do the my own servicing on the car it's been the best car I've ever it's like a faithful best mate you can trust. Fun to drive , love it. . Cheers love your vids.
Drain the oil, and use a borescope (through the drain plug hole), and you may be able to view the pickup tube screen without pulling the pan. Silicone has been used by small engine OEMs for years without issue.
Makes sense what atrout481 said. It is on the bottom end of the oil pickup tube which has to be close (1/4 inch) to the bottom of the pan to prevent sucking air instead of oil.
I'm with Scotty, I prefer a manual transmission. I had a little 2011 Ford Fiesta with only 109 horsepower, but it had a five speed, and was a blast to drive.
Scotty appreciated your video Have both a 4cylibder and a 6 cylinder both 2017 bought as pricing of 2nd was great etc no engine troubles change oil as specified no overheating have a great day
They have different suspension tuning and different ecu tuning, look at the torque/power graphs on the dashes of both cars they actually show torque/power crossover at different points.
P=T*RPM/5252 using lb*ft and HP You do know 85% of all statistics are made up, right? Also scale of the axes, units etc can skew a graph. HP is calculated from torque, which is what a dyno measures. Try taking grade 7 maths again, your teacher failed you
Also, the Toyota has a slightly stiffer rear suspension which gives it better straight line performance but the Subaru will out slalom and out corner the Toyota any day, giving it clear dominance on the track. Many Americans are conditions to love only straight line speed but if you love mountain driving like me, the Subi is the way to go!
The general consensus seems to be: Brz- smoother ride. Better daily driver Gr86- not faster but more playful. Better track car. However neither is worth it if there are large mark ups.
@@m3rdpwr is that a fancy term for markup? I guess I got lucky. My subaru dealership allows people to order new cars at msrp. But their cars on the lot are marked up $5-10k.
@@davey9090 yes, that is one of the fancy terms. A Ford dealer tried the AMV on it me back in the '80s. That's where I got the AMV letters from. But yes you are correct. The one dealer did say that they could sell the Outback at MSRP because it wasn't as good as the seller.
I agree the manual is more fun, but the automatic (which is an Aisin) in these has historically been much more reliable than the manual. They made minor tweaks to both transmissions for the 2nd Gen, but they fundamentally the same.
@@WontSeeReplies throwout bearing is in the clutch not the transmission. I'm a 395whp and I've blown 2nd gear twice tho. Both times I was taking 1st to 8600 well beyond factory redline so I wouldn't fault my trans for that. There have been plenty of subie build at 900 plus on factory trans though so they are well built.
the toyota has different suspension and engine tuning making it a little more fun to drive while the subaru is set up to make consistent lap times on a track
Scotty, the suspension of the GR86 and BRZ are also different as both Subaru and Toyota tuned the suspension differently. This is why most people say the GR86 is a little better handling.
I love to watch Scotty's videos with the volume all the way down. His hand gestures would lead you to believe he's telling you the end of the world is upon us, due to giant monsters of some sort. Or something of that nature at least.
I drove a '99 Honda Civic Si for like 15 years. Thing got stolen, and am now driving a Honda Fit. And it definitely doesn't have the same appeal to me. Si coupes are almost hard to come by. And Honda no longer makes them. Been having my eye on the FR-S/BRZ/86 cars. Glad to see see they got the Scotty seal of approval.
My daughter had one a few years ago. Perfect chick car. I'm 6'2" and it was too tiny for me!! My favorite hot hatch was 1980 280zx 5 speed manual. The back seat is for dogs. Fun to drive if you can fit. I'm keeping my 1990 Geo Storm only 92k miles. In perfect shape it is nice; new suspension, a/c, stereo etc. Only liability insurance so it is reasonable.
@Kristen Sorensen how the heck do you own a Geo Storm? They are EXTREMELY hard to find on the road today, their pretty rare. I’ve never seen one in my 15 years of life. Let me guess, your Storm is a red hatchback, not wagonback. The wagonback is extremely rare, I bet they’re only a couple dozen left in the world. But the Storm is a really cool car though, there’s no arguing that. If I saw one on the road, I would go absolutely bananas
Have you tried the 2002 -2005 Lexus IS300? I'm 6'7" and i fit fine without almost no headroom, I would recommend a planted seat bracket with a reclinable racing seat for more headroom
As to MPG going downhill. My 2010 KIA with a 1.4 Lit. 90 HP 4 door hatchback 5 sp. manual (not sold in USA) When I drive downhill the computer that calculates kilometers until empty actually goes in reverse. I would drive 10 km. and when I finish the kilometers until empty would go from like 400 to 405. As if someone was adding gas to my car. When I go uphill the reverse is true. When I drive 10 km. the kilometers until empty would go from 400 to 380. The feature is pretty accurate as far as telling U how far you can drive, however.
I had a lot of issues with my wife's Subaru. Rust all over, auto transmission, windows alignment 3x. Exhaust repair 2x, brake problems. The engine had a tic from day one brnd new. By the time it had 50k and 10 years old it sounded like a diesel when you started it cold. My Honda with triple the mileage and none of these problems sounded smooth as a sewing machine. Subaru's suck. I'd rather own a British car. 😆 🤣.... maybe not. 👎
The Subarus made around 2010 suck, older ones you can run for 300k+ if you take care of it (I have a 2000 outback at 231k guaranteed to run another 100k)
Besides the bumper there are some more differences between the BRZ and GR86. The BRZ uses different dampers, spring rates, and has a smaller rear anti-sway bar that attaches differently. There's some other differences but those are the biggest ones mechanically I believe.
My '15 Crosstrek gets fantastic gas mileage. I fill it up once a month and go all over Long Island. I just had new tires put on after the dealership flattened them b/c theiy wanted me to trade it in. That's another reason why I've still had it. I can't stand dealing with those crooks.
5:00 I understand he says Subaru has automatic transmission weakness. But I'm pretty sure the automatic version of this BRZ has the same reliable automatic transmission found in the GR86.
Yep, the auto transmission in both the Subaru BRZ and Toyota GR86 comes from Aisin and was originally used by Toyota in the Lexus IS. It's been updated since then, but never really had problems.
So Scotty! Found out the silicone is not the issue. It's actually the oil pressure dipping down dramatically, causing oil starvation. There is a baffle plate coming out to help with preventing the oil starvation. It has no oil pan baffle. Which is causing oil to go into the timing chain cover I believe? I'd have to read again and update ya on what I've read. But it's going to eventually be fixed. But RTV is a contributing factor, not the ultimate cause.
Scotty is just a mad Japanese lover. Old subaru's lasted over 300k miles easily and new one blew their head gasket under 150k miles mostly if you are lucky. You can still find old 98-2002 Subaru outbacks running in snow with over 200K miles...but never you will find a subaru made past 2004 running with those miles problem free. I am telling by experience because i owned the 99 subaru outback and now i own the 2012 camry. Scotty burned me on this. The 2012 camry is worst than a wolkswagen. .900,000 of them built with faulty torque converter, which also let to many failed transmissions. I am getting mine changed at under 100k miles. And they ride horrible with horrible gas mileage.
@@richsweeney1115 no sir, i did not get a “bad one”. Toyota manufactured 900,000 of those Camry vehicles from 2012-14 with experimental torque converter, which also destroyed most transmissions. But they did not disclose it publicly, only when pressured, they covertly sent out letters to those owners and they first only updated the software, then torque converters and then adding magnets to the transmission. Unfortunately, not all the owners of those 900,000 got that notification and toyota denied to take any responsibility. Now those owners are stuck with that defective vehicle and spending 5k every 50-60k miles to have a new torque converter.
@@peopleschoice9555 noone I've ever known with a Camry had a tranny issue. but, even if those are real numbers... every company has issues some years. like Subaru and their issue with head gaskets for ten years. and Scotty is mad? he said to buy this on over the Toyota...... how is he mad?
My brother's 2014 Outback 4 cyl, bought new, burned oil from day 1, then blew the head gasket this past year. Dealer said $7k to fix. He got rid of it instead. Traded it to the dealer for a different brand. If you have anything funny going on with a Subaru engine, get rid of it.
there are actually a few more differences between the brz and the 86, i know the brz has stiffer hollow sway bars and the suspension is mounted differently in the rear
I bought a crosstrek premium 6 speed manual. I like the little car. I get 33 mpg consistently with hills, way better then the EPA rating which is only 22 city 29 highway for the manual. The EPA is not fair on their mileage rating for the stick shift. I think they dont want people buying them.
I have a 2021 Crosstrek Touring manual and it had already gone to the dealer for 5 days as they tried to figure out an intermittent hesitation problem at 16,000kms…came back working fine again, but…not really trusting it now. They blamed carbon issues and did an intake clean, replaced an injector, plug, and did a remap. All engines that use direct injection should have port injection as well so that this is not really an issue…the GR86 and BRZ do.
i had a 1978 Subaru Brat. it rusted out twice and i replaced the fenders then ditched it when the frame went bad. it had that boxer engine and the 4WD manual was still just fine.
I don’t get the comments on Subaru, I owned: 1) Subaru Impreza 2.2L MT 1999 225,000 miles - never had an issue 2) Subaru Forrester 2.5L AT 2007 200,000 miles - never had an issue 3) Subaru Ascent 2.4K AT 2019 - 30,000 miles - never had an issue We have real winters where I live and they are driven extensively in extreme winter conditions. All maintenance done according to the book at my Subaru dealer (expensive but excellent place). I know at least 3 other long term Subaru owners, all of which are extremely satisfied?!?!
Scotty, check with the silicone manufacturer. Ford and many other brands have used silicone to seal the valve cover for many years. As long as the silicone cures completely there should be no silicone in the oil or fuel system.
Scotty: Car and Driver said it's under powered (BRZ and G86) Bunk ! What a finely balanced car. I have a V6 2014 Camaro. It too is finely balanced: suspension, power and handling. It doesn't need a V8. O to 60 means nothing to me! Who drag races? The drag racers not me.
@@Carlos.Rivera Yea they don't all blow up. That would be something. But I assure you. These Subaru engines blow up more often than other Asian brands.
Scotty claims to have customers with every car type in the world. The odds of this dude seeing 2 2022 model BRZ\86 as customers already is slim to none.
I done the same thing back in the mid 90s when I bought my B4000 truck. I couldn't get the Ford guys to deal and the B4000 is the same truck as the Ranger
I am attending Western Technical College in El Paso for Diesel Technologies (medium and heavy duty commercial), there is a student here that has Toyota 86 with an LS swap. The student brings it in from time to time to put it on the dyno.
Stick shifts are ok if you do not have hilly city traffic. And most people don't know how to use a stick shift properly. And then there are people with physical limitations that need an automatic.
Toyota and Subaru have been sister companies for decades they just never screamed it from a mountain top. Toyota was a 40% shareholder in Subaru last I heard and that was a long time ago. They swap engineering all the time Camrys were using their AWD 30 plus years ago. Subaru is the king of AWD. Hey even GM borrowed from them. An 80’s Nova was a rebadged Camry and a Geo Prism was a rebadged Corolla. The Vibe a Matrix. Subbing out for something reliable 😂.
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I figured out what Scotty's side job is, he is an orchestra conductor since he is use to moving his arms around alot
Love it
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Scotty what is the best used Subaru to buy? And how about the mileage?
The guy who’s motor blew was at a sanctioned auto cross even which was part of a membership that Toyota offered with the car. The reason why they didn’t wanna cover it is because they checked his social media and saw him drifting it. But Toyota corporate did the right thing and fixed it. Lesson learned, always scrub stuff that could give them a reason to not cover it. And also, contact corporate if the swine of a dealer declines, even though you didn’t do anything wrong.
You mean you can’t have fun with a sportscar?
ITS A TRAP!!!!!!!
Was they drifting this car in the commercials soo we cant do as advertised 😪
Uh no. Lesson is don’t drift a brand new car lol
@@bob11664 or drift it and don’t get caught 😂
God I’m so addicted to this channel it’s absurd.
It's probably because Scotty puts out 5 vids a day?😮😱🤔🤔🤔
I love these "Scotty car reviews"
Even me too
Dude, I don't even like cars and I can't stop watching
Can hear him in my sleep now
The 228hp is underrated. On a dyno these cars are making 209hp-220hp to the wheels. BRZ and GR86 engines are actually making roughly 250hp.
is that with or without bolt ons?
@@EnhancedTrashBin Completely stock. Bolt-ons are pretty worthless right now, as you can’t get a tune because the ECU hasn’t been unlocked yet.
Absolutely, civics were fun with 128 hp. A few hundred extra pounds, near double the hp, and rear wheels drive. Never driven one, but I want one.
Too bad in the meme era people are just cranking up the power in everything, or making it look a way to impress. No one is just enjoying a well made stock car
I know Scotty doesn't like the Boxer engines, but I really miss my WRX sometimes
Sure.... if you Red Line the engine....so it's not relevant, unless you breaking every traffic, which I hope your not, because if you hit me my lawyer will hang you out to dry.....just saying.....
I love the Sub/Toy BRZ/86's and so glad that Subaru and also Mazda haven't completely forgotten about us non-SUV loving drivers.
Dont forget the Ford… they are still giving us the Mustang.
I’m an old guy with 2013 brz stock with under 20k mileage. Bought it brand new and I love it!
I bought a 2013 Scion FR-S new and by March of 2020 I had put 186,000 mi on it on my commute. That car is the most fun I've ever had in any car I've ever owned and it is ridiculously reliable. But in March of 2020, I started working from home and a year later retired, so the only thing I use that car for now, literally is to drive back and forth to church every few weeks to keep the seals from drying out.
I put nine sets of Michelin SS on that car and here in Kentucky on these beautiful twisties that I drove to work everyday I did my share of drifting, but the tires are so sticky that most of the time it was a slot car. And I averaged 34 miles per gallon. The reason I keep it is because license and insurance are very inexpensive out here and I believe the car has bottomed out in value. It will only be more valuable as time goes on. So I've become that old guy that has a classic sports car in his garage from when he was younger except I wasn't that young. I was 59 when I bought it.
This car Harkins back to the days when my friends and I drove Austin-Healey 3000s, opal gts, mg's, etc. I used to own an opel GT and really love that car, but this is like the opel on stereoids. This is also why when I bought the car I bought it with no options and have kept it 100% stock.
In many ways I consider this car to be as much of a classic as the first Corvettes or the Porsche Spyder, or the Toyota 2000. Time is going to be very kind to the first versions of this car. In my opinion.
By the way, I did my first brake job at 142,000 mi. There was still pad left. They don't use cops to keep speed down around here. They use deer. Watch for deer in you're golden.
Had a scion. Worst car I ever owned.
@@LeslieDugger yes, they made a couple of duds.
The first gen is literally the ultimate ricer car with shouty looks and no go. The definitive high school dude’s car.
@@Mav86asian I owned an Opel GT in the early 70s. My friends owned mg's and even one owned and Austin Healey 3000. This car is reminiscent of those cars and much more powerful much more roomy and a lot more fun to drive.
I've never been into muscle cars would have always been into cars that handle well. And for my 150 mile round trip to Louisville everyday, mostly on the twisties of kentucky, this thing was a blast for years, before I retired, with 186k reliable miles on that car.
@SEAsUAS nope.
Both the BRZ and GR86 are basically half Toyota half Subaru. The engine is designed by Subaru (but also uses Toyota’s D-4S fuel injection system), and the transmission is made by Toyota/Aisin .
Yeah, I noticed that. In Scotty's last video he said the trans was Toyota but in this one he implied it's Subaru. I'm pretty sure it's Toyota.
Aisin makes transmissions an warter pumps for mazda and many other brands.
The body is based on a wrx
I have the 2024 BRZ, and I love it. There is another difference between the BRZ & GR86 is the suspension is different. The Toyota version has a suspension tuned more for track; and the Subaru is tuned more for daily driving.
Scotty is the biggest big baiter on RUclips!! Big Fan of this guy and his videos!! Thank you for years of entertainment and sharing knowledge!!
I will say there is slight suspension differences between the 86 and the BRZ that lead them to drive slightly different. The BRZ is a little more compliant and the 86 is a little more solid. Personally I prefer the way the BRZ feels and carries through a corner. The 86 feels more connected, but that also makes it feel a little more jumpy and skittish, whereas the BRZ absorbs a little more road chatter.
Subaru has more experience winning rallies, toyo poop burning oil.
@@marvingonzalez6345 Subaru also has more experience in making crap that doesn't last
@@JetskiMike sorry to tell you this but toyo poop is not only buying brz to to re brand is also is buying the subaru electric suv SOLTERRA to re SALE with the toyo poop logo, just like the yaris is being built by Mazda and the new supra being assembled in austria by BMW.
What you are describing is suspension tuning setup for understeer (brz) vs neutral (GR86).
Love taking corners at 65 in my BRZ 😎
whoever is responsible for the choice of animals that come on the screen when scotty laughs needs a raise
fr 😂
Scotty is such a troll and i love it. This honestly looks like a fun little car
I always have fun when watching Scotty’s videos. He tells it like it is, and has a ball doing it! Since he’s so good about describing every car’s pros AND CONS, sometimes I think maybe I should just get a nice bicycle or take the bus. [BTW, can you imagine how LESS upbeat he’d come across to his viewers if each time he filmed a review he didn’t precede it with some good, long hits off his bong?]
9:06 fun in the twisties. proceeds to drive straight with F1 sounds….127mpg downhill.😅
Scotty is wrong about the automatic transmission. Both the BRZ/GR86 has an 6 speed auto transmission taken from an older 2005 Lexus vehicle. So they're very reliable.
An old guy who doesn't drive the heck out of it?
Not Scottie. Me too.
There are some very subtle suspension geometry differences that essentially makes the Subaru ride a little softer on the highway but at higher limits, both handle the same.
The BRZ always reminds me of my favorite car I ever owned, my 1984 RX7-GSL. Soooooo much fun!!
I had one of those and whilst the engine and gearbox were fantastic the suspension and steering was positively stone aged compared with the 86
I’ve never liked silicone jointing compounds and would rather have a conventional gasket or the rubber seal type that fits in to a groove and can’t move. Obviously they cost more but sure are less aggro when it comes to reassembling parts.
Hi Scotty I got a 2010 Subaru Forester with 430,000k on it and still going has a slight oil leak, but I just top it up between services. all I have replaced on the car is the radiator and an oxygen all the rest is original.I do the my own servicing on the car it's been the best car I've ever it's like a faithful best mate you can trust. Fun to drive , love it. . Cheers love your vids.
Drain the oil, and use a borescope (through the drain plug hole), and you may be able to view the pickup tube screen without pulling the pan. Silicone has been used by small engine OEMs for years without issue.
You can’t see up the pickup tube unless the pan comes off. Guys have tried it, the tube only sits around 1/4 from the oil pan.
Makes sense what atrout481 said.
It is on the bottom end of the oil pickup tube which has to be close (1/4 inch) to the bottom of the pan to prevent sucking air instead of oil.
I'm with Scotty, I prefer a manual transmission. I had a little 2011 Ford Fiesta with only 109 horsepower, but it had a five speed, and was a blast to drive.
I love everything about this channel.. whoever gave him a camera should be paid a million dollars.
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Have both a 4cylibder and a 6 cylinder both 2017 bought as pricing of 2nd was great etc no engine troubles change oil as specified no overheating have a great day
Scotty's review style is simply pure and unique. Love it!🔥
They have different suspension tuning and different ecu tuning, look at the torque/power graphs on the dashes of both cars they actually show torque/power crossover at different points.
P=T*RPM/5252 using lb*ft and HP
You do know 85% of all statistics are made up, right? Also scale of the axes, units etc can skew a graph.
HP is calculated from torque, which is what a dyno measures. Try taking grade 7 maths again, your teacher failed you
Whoa!!! 29mpg??? Amazing results. Thank you Scottie.
Got me again Scotty!
I was actually ready to go look for this vehicle which gets 120 mpg. Heck I'd be happy with 60 mpg.
Get a scooter and you'll get 70+ mpg easy and for a LOT less.
Also, the Toyota has a slightly stiffer rear suspension which gives it better straight line performance but the Subaru will out slalom and out corner the Toyota any day, giving it clear dominance on the track. Many Americans are conditions to love only straight line speed but if you love mountain driving like me, the Subi is the way to go!
I like Subaru emblem better than Toyota
There are some minor differences in the suspension, between the new BRZ and gr86.
The general consensus seems to be:
Brz- smoother ride. Better daily driver
Gr86- not faster but more playful. Better track car.
However neither is worth it if there are large mark ups.
@@davey9090 all the Subaru dealers near me have an adjusted market value, or AMV on all their vehicles.
@@m3rdpwr is that a fancy term for markup? I guess I got lucky. My subaru dealership allows people to order new cars at msrp. But their cars on the lot are marked up $5-10k.
@@davey9090 yes, that is one of the fancy terms. A Ford dealer tried the AMV on it me back in the '80s. That's where I got the AMV letters from. But yes you are correct. The one dealer did say that they could sell the Outback at MSRP because it wasn't as good as the seller.
@@m3rdpwr yep its pretty depressing that this has become the norm. I paid msrp for my brz , but it's a 6 month waiting time... so its a trade off
I agree the manual is more fun, but the automatic (which is an Aisin) in these has historically been much more reliable than the manual. They made minor tweaks to both transmissions for the 2nd Gen, but they fundamentally the same.
I wouldn’t doubt that. I know their manuals had throw out bearing problems around 2015, 16 WRXs.
Do they have paddle shifters ?
@@WontSeeReplies throwout bearing is in the clutch not the transmission. I'm a 395whp and I've blown 2nd gear twice tho. Both times I was taking 1st to 8600 well beyond factory redline so I wouldn't fault my trans for that. There have been plenty of subie build at 900 plus on factory trans though so they are well built.
@@colinstace1758 yes
@@WontSeeReplies Still do. The first gen twins are known for it. I am getting ready to replace my TOB for the second time.
when I hear Subaru ,i hear "big end" and "headgasket"
the toyota has different suspension and engine tuning making it a little more fun to drive while the subaru is set up to make consistent lap times on a track
I get 120 mpg in my challenger 392 in tesla mode (clutch in neutral) while going downhill.
Tesla Mode 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Most fun I’ve had with a car, and a great price too.
Yes only manual, as Scotty said, more fun and runs for ever.
Scotty, the suspension of the GR86 and BRZ are also different as both Subaru and Toyota tuned the suspension differently. This is why most people say the GR86 is a little better handling.
Correct. I believe that The engine mapping is also different in each car.
'This New Subaru Gets 120 MPG with a Gasoline Engine' Scotty knows how to write a headline!🤣
Every video has a great headline lol
He's a true troll, I love it 🤣
Scotty's New Video Shocks The Entire Industry!
The new BRZ has very different suspension than the GR86. They are notably different now
Yep, Everyday driver posted the best explanation of this a few weeks ago. I'll take the GR 86
Not really. You won’t notice it until you’re pushing the car really hard.
I think SCOTTY just found his next TOY to buy, once he can find a used one cheap
I drive my 2022 GR86 like a nut, 7k miles no problems. Changed the oil 3 times, no RTV silicone.
I love to watch Scotty's videos with the volume all the way down. His hand gestures would lead you to believe he's telling you the end of the world is upon us, due to giant monsters of some sort. Or something of that nature at least.
Sounds like it's time for a voice over video 😂😂
"Live Free or Die"... Greatest State Motto EVER!
I am waiting to hear about the 120 miles per gallon gas engine Scotty……………still waiting
Yes, me too.
He did show that the car was getting 120 mpg while going downhilee.
I drove a '99 Honda Civic Si for like 15 years. Thing got stolen, and am now driving a Honda Fit. And it definitely doesn't have the same appeal to me.
Si coupes are almost hard to come by. And Honda no longer makes them. Been having my eye on the FR-S/BRZ/86 cars. Glad to see see they got the Scotty seal of approval.
My daughter had one a few years ago. Perfect chick car. I'm 6'2" and it was too tiny for me!! My favorite hot hatch was 1980 280zx 5 speed manual. The back seat is for dogs. Fun to drive if you can fit. I'm keeping my 1990 Geo Storm only 92k miles. In perfect shape it is nice; new suspension, a/c, stereo etc. Only liability insurance so it is reasonable.
@Kristen Sorensen how the heck do you own a Geo Storm? They are EXTREMELY hard to find on the road today, their pretty rare. I’ve never seen one in my 15 years of life. Let me guess, your Storm is a red hatchback, not wagonback. The wagonback is extremely rare, I bet they’re only a couple dozen left in the world. But the Storm is a really cool car though, there’s no arguing that. If I saw one on the road, I would go absolutely bananas
Mostly guys drive these cars. Subarbros, and they vape
Chicks don't understand performance so they stick to cheap 'pretty according to them' cars like Pontiac Soltices and convertible Chevy Cavaliers
Have you tried the 2002 -2005 Lexus IS300? I'm 6'7" and i fit fine without almost no headroom, I would recommend a planted seat bracket with a reclinable racing seat for more headroom
@@justdrive5327 so true!
As to MPG going downhill. My 2010 KIA with a 1.4 Lit. 90 HP 4 door hatchback 5 sp. manual (not sold in USA) When I drive downhill the computer that calculates kilometers until empty actually goes in reverse. I would drive 10 km. and when I finish the kilometers until empty would go from like 400 to 405. As if someone was adding gas to my car. When I go uphill the reverse is true. When I drive 10 km. the kilometers until empty would go from 400 to 380. The feature is pretty accurate as far as telling U how far you can drive, however.
I have to say that the 3.6's are fantastic motors! I wish they wouldn't have dropped those engines. Paired to a 6mt would be amazing as well!
I've got a 2019 BRZ, supercharged! Love it!
I think we need a moratorium on thumbnails that say “Shock the industry”.
Yes finally Scotty gets to review my dream car!
I had a lot of issues with my wife's Subaru. Rust all over, auto transmission, windows alignment 3x. Exhaust repair 2x, brake problems. The engine had a tic from day one brnd new. By the time it had 50k and 10 years old it sounded like a diesel when you started it cold. My Honda with triple the mileage and none of these problems sounded smooth as a sewing machine. Subaru's suck. I'd rather own a British car. 😆 🤣.... maybe not. 👎
Hell yeah. My 01 sienna van with 228k sound better than subaru, also my 9 year old 370z 😂😂🤦🏽♂️ never been a boxer fan
This is a BRZ, it’s not a family car
The Subarus made around 2010 suck, older ones you can run for 300k+ if you take care of it (I have a 2000 outback at 231k guaranteed to run another 100k)
Besides the bumper there are some more differences between the BRZ and GR86. The BRZ uses different dampers, spring rates, and has a smaller rear anti-sway bar that attaches differently. There's some other differences but those are the biggest ones mechanically I believe.
120mpg I beg your pardon
My '15 Crosstrek gets fantastic gas mileage. I fill it up once a month and go all over Long Island. I just had new tires put on after the dealership flattened them b/c theiy wanted me to trade it in. That's another reason why I've still had it. I can't stand dealing with those crooks.
Happy Friday!
Happy Friday!
8:10 this is why we love you sir... Still mentions drifting while reviewing a car
5:00 I understand he says Subaru has automatic transmission weakness. But I'm pretty sure the automatic version of this BRZ has the same reliable automatic transmission found in the GR86.
Yep, the auto transmission in both the Subaru BRZ and Toyota GR86 comes from Aisin and was originally used by Toyota in the Lexus IS. It's been updated since then, but never really had problems.
It's the CVTs to avoid. Seems like the old 4 speed auto are long lived, the 5 speed auto a little less so.
@@nakoma5 Subaru CVTs are top 3 in the auto market and they are actually great.
@@nakoma5 😡😡😡
@@nakoma5 spot on, the best automatics are the 4 speed auto Aisin transmissions.
So Scotty! Found out the silicone is not the issue. It's actually the oil pressure dipping down dramatically, causing oil starvation. There is a baffle plate coming out to help with preventing the oil starvation. It has no oil pan baffle. Which is causing oil to go into the timing chain cover I believe? I'd have to read again and update ya on what I've read. But it's going to eventually be fixed. But RTV is a contributing factor, not the ultimate cause.
Scotty is just a mad Japanese lover. Old subaru's lasted over 300k miles easily and new one blew their head gasket under 150k miles mostly if you are lucky. You can still find old 98-2002 Subaru outbacks running in snow with over 200K miles...but never you will find a subaru made past 2004 running with those miles problem free. I am telling by experience because i owned the 99 subaru outback and now i own the 2012 camry. Scotty burned me on this. The 2012 camry is worst than a wolkswagen. .900,000 of them built with faulty torque converter, which also let to many failed transmissions. I am getting mine changed at under 100k miles. And they ride horrible with horrible gas mileage.
so .. you got a bad one.. it happens w every brand
@@richsweeney1115 no sir, i did not get a “bad one”. Toyota manufactured 900,000 of those Camry vehicles from 2012-14 with experimental torque converter, which also destroyed most transmissions. But they did not disclose it publicly, only when pressured, they covertly sent out letters to those owners and they first only updated the software, then torque converters and then adding magnets to the transmission. Unfortunately, not all the owners of those 900,000 got that notification and toyota denied to take any responsibility. Now those owners are stuck with that defective vehicle and spending 5k every 50-60k miles to have a new torque converter.
My 1972 Toronado is running perfectly fine with the TH425 transmission for fifty years now.
@@peopleschoice9555 noone I've ever known with a Camry had a tranny issue. but, even if those are real numbers... every company has issues some years. like Subaru and their issue with head gaskets for ten years. and Scotty is mad? he said to buy this on over the Toyota...... how is he mad?
My brother's 2014 Outback 4 cyl, bought new, burned oil from day 1, then blew the head gasket this past year. Dealer said $7k to fix. He got rid of it instead. Traded it to the dealer for a different brand. If you have anything funny going on with a Subaru engine, get rid of it.
Scotty your style is unbeatable 😆
Much respect from Angola, Africa
29 mpg is about the same as 120 mpg.
Is it terrible to say to another guy, from a straight guy to a straight guy I LOVE YOU MAN. Best thing since sliced bread this channel is.
there are actually a few more differences between the brz and the 86, i know the brz has stiffer hollow sway bars and the suspension is mounted differently in the rear
Precisely, I was about to post this.
@@VideoArchiveGuy no u werent
@@airuzair2424 yes he was, he told me first
@@airuzair2424 Cute, but I was. There are several videos showing the exact suspension differences between the two out there.
I bought a crosstrek premium 6 speed manual. I like the little car. I get 33 mpg consistently with hills, way better then the EPA rating which is only 22 city 29 highway for the manual.
The EPA is not fair on their mileage rating for the stick shift. I think they dont want people buying them.
I have a 2021 Crosstrek Touring manual and it had already gone to the dealer for 5 days as they tried to figure out an intermittent hesitation problem at 16,000kms…came back working fine again, but…not really trusting it now. They blamed carbon issues and did an intake clean, replaced an injector, plug, and did a remap. All engines that use direct injection should have port injection as well so that this is not really an issue…the GR86 and BRZ do.
I thought scotty knew something I didn’t know…I’m like damn..120mpg…throw the electric Car away lol
I drive a standard Jeep Renegade and I got my average mpg up to 30.6, the previous owner had it at 21. It's all about how you drive.
i had a 1978 Subaru Brat. it rusted out twice and i replaced the fenders then ditched it when the frame went bad. it had that boxer engine and the 4WD manual was still just fine.
I still have one. :)
I don’t get the comments on Subaru, I owned:
1) Subaru Impreza 2.2L MT 1999 225,000 miles - never had an issue
2) Subaru Forrester 2.5L AT 2007 200,000 miles - never had an issue
3) Subaru Ascent 2.4K AT 2019 - 30,000 miles - never had an issue
We have real winters where I live and they are driven extensively in extreme winter conditions.
All maintenance done according to the book at my Subaru dealer (expensive but excellent place).
I know at least 3 other long term Subaru owners, all of which are extremely satisfied?!?!
I want to see Scotty attempt a drift in a RWD.
Do you mean a front wheel drive? I didn't think you could drift in a front wheel drive.
Never had an issue with over heating in my Subaru Outback. 85k and not an issue.
I was told the BRZ automatic transmission was made by Toyota
This is a fundamental issue with boxer engines. Subaru still haven’t gotten it right yet when it comes to the lubrication of these engines.
Gimme that knowledge Scotty!
Scotty feeling YOUNG again! Dragstar Scotty!!!
With your hand movement, Scotty, I’m surprised you don’t take off to the skies
Scotty, check with the silicone manufacturer. Ford and many other brands have used silicone to seal the valve cover for many years. As long as the silicone cures completely there should be no silicone in the oil or fuel system.
I’d love to see a review on the Nissan Z
🤡
@@Elchino400 ? Nissan z is goated
@@HoagMurkula after Renault bought the company straight not goated 🤣🤡
@@Elchino400 that’s part of the reason why I wanna see a review I love his rants 😂
He already did just search his channel for them
Scotty: Car and Driver said it's under powered (BRZ and G86) Bunk ! What a finely balanced car. I have a V6 2014 Camaro. It too is finely balanced: suspension, power and handling. It doesn't need a V8. O to 60 means nothing to me! Who drag races? The drag racers not me.
Imagine getting caught in an hailstorm with a ragtop vehicle.
Thanks Scotty. This video only cost me $29,900 out the door.
Geez my 2013 BRZ cost me 30k back then brand new and presently I only have 70k on the odometer.
You're telling me a new 2024 is only 29k???
In my life every car that I have ever owned that had a catastrophic engine failure was a Subaru. Just mentioning 😉
And it was your fault. Hahaha
on forums some are at 200k miles on their respective clocks
@@Carlos.Rivera Yea they don't all blow up. That would be something. But I assure you. These Subaru engines blow up more often than other Asian brands.
@@Dani-it5sy Nissan and Mazda does more
I’ve seen some 300k mile Subarus that seems to run pretty good for the mileage. Now how about your driving habits??
A vehicle rolling down a hill can indeed get 120 mpg, but how well does it do going UP the same hill?
Hello Scotty from Mooresville NC USA
afternoon!
Scotty claims to have customers with every car type in the world. The odds of this dude seeing 2 2022 model BRZ\86 as customers already is slim to none.
Scotty, what are your thoughts on a Acura csx?
What I hate about new cars is can’t get the interior color you like. This one comes with black . That’s it.
I done the same thing back in the mid 90s when I bought my B4000 truck. I couldn't get the Ford guys to deal and the B4000 is the same truck as the Ranger
How can anyone actually enjoy driving in an automatic?
Absolutely. The whole playing around the stick thing is overrated.
I do.
you just made up my mind when you explained the silicone problem.
Scotty, I love your horses, eagles and frogs. Entertaining and informative.
I am attending Western Technical College in El Paso for Diesel Technologies (medium and heavy duty commercial), there is a student here that has Toyota 86 with an LS swap. The student brings it in from time to time to put it on the dyno.
sweet my car is scotty approved thats a real W
They make you smile ... LOL .. I'm smiling just watching you. I've had Subaru's for many years.
Stick shifts are ok if you do not have hilly city traffic.
And most people don't know how to use a stick shift properly.
And then there are people with physical limitations that need an automatic.
Scotty takes hand gestures to another level 😅 0:01
love your channel Scotty
Toyota and Subaru have been sister companies for decades they just never screamed it from a mountain top. Toyota was a 40% shareholder in Subaru last I heard and that was a long time ago. They swap engineering all the time Camrys were using their AWD 30 plus years ago. Subaru is the king of AWD. Hey even GM borrowed from them. An 80’s Nova was a rebadged Camry and a Geo Prism was a rebadged Corolla. The Vibe a Matrix. Subbing out for something reliable 😂.
So did you check with Subaru and verify they stopped using silly cone gasket material ?
They still use RTV and currently have no plans to change.
scotty. not everything shocks the industry.
Backup camera for seniors like 72year old me. If those who need not be run over stay clear and those who want to ruin your day need a reason.
lot of people dont know..that toyota owns a huge part of subura...they are subura largest stock owner