I've been looking for a proper GR86/BRZ project for months that really shows how much potential this engine has, hopefully you guys will come up with a proper forced induction that does justice to this very last ice JDM icon
You should stick with a naturally aspirated build for this one, since this is the modern revival of the AE86 and the best 86's are tuned N/A builds, i would love to see if changing the whole intake manifold and intake filter system would make a good difference for power on this engine, could certainly get more power out of it at high RPM with an intake that's optimised for peak power, but E85 would be a great upgrade too.
@@thedoctormma9433 centrifugal would make it retain most of it's na powerband just more torque the whole way, twin screw would ruin the experience and probably cause more oversteer in cornering.
@@PendingEvolution Lots of big differences between the FA24F in the WRX and the FA24D in the BRZ/GR86 - too early to tell how well the latter deals with stress long-term.
@@damonreece agreed. he just said FA without specifying anything. but again I wouldnt be suprised if this generation 24D was significantly I'mproved over last in terms of boost consumability
@@PendingEvolution It should be noted that running higher compression is automatically a disadvantage for reliability, although nobody will know for sure how they will hold up until a decent number of them get turbos but I'm hedging my expectations.
Agree 100% - prefer the linear power of a roots style charger. Who cares if a turbo has more headroom… this car doesn’t need 400hp to be fun on the street.
idk maybe i don’t know what impressive gains are, but 15hp from a tune doesn’t sound crazy. my 2019 turbo brz was making more whp than this car on BASE map (5psi) after tune i’m around 290whp on 12psi, which was a 60hp gain from the tune. No E85 yet because there are no stations around me obviously you aren’t going to get as big gains on an NA car, but my point is, why spend 600-1000 on a tune when you can buy a turbo kit for 3-5k and have 3x better results and 10x better after tune.
I will still bet a UEL will do better filling in that TQ dip and making power under 5k. The EL should still do better with peak numbers. I think a UEL will make for a more peppy, fun street car. And lets not forget that the sound is like an engine orgasm. You can keep your couple extra HP up top as far as I am concerned. LOL
You can't feel the torque dip at all by the seat of your pants. The 4-2-1 header design mimics 90% the mid range gains of a UEL header while still being able to flow the HP up top and the engine stays motivated to rev.
@@alekhoskins I sure felt it when my car was stock. Now with my UEL the car will light the tires up from a rolling start when it hits the midrange. That is still on stock tune too. Im usually all about max performance but the sound of a UEL cant be beat. In this case I make the sacrifice. I am glad to see progress with tuning for sure though. Once flex fuel kits are available I will get mine tuned.
Make you appreciate what was possible in the early 90s with the Porsche 944S2 and 968. 3L 4cyl N/A with pistons like coffee cans. Change injectors, plugs, cat delete and get ahold of the factory racing chip and presto, 310whp. They hung in there with 550HP Camaros and Eagle Talons running all the boost in GT racing because they had a wide power band with the vario-cam. V-Tech yo. 🤣🤣
It’s intended to be a more “pure” car, not a drift missile or a rally machine. With that kind of driver’s car approach, NA is really the best way to go with that setup, notably for the linear torque curve and predictable power delivery. That 3 cyl turbo prob would have made the car unwieldy and ornery, which kills the whole point of what the GR86 is supposed to be about in the first place
My objection is I bet the car bone stock dynoed higher then 152kw due to the full exhaust potentially flowing too well and the ecu in stock form not compensating which reduced hp from bone stock. So the real net gain from bone stock vs full exhaust +tune isnt as substantial that is shown in this video on pump gas. What do you think?
Are you going to Tune it or are you going to Chewn it? Kinda seems like a Chewn is the operative word. Not sure what that is but a good tuning would be nice
I work at a toyota dealership in 2016 and the master tech at the time got to install a stage 2 turbo kit ( bigger pump, exhaust and injectors also ) on a toyota 86. Was advertised to make around 330 Hp. Not sure if it was at the tires or not. I really dont think so. But all i know is that thing with sticky michelins would break loose at 90 k an hour on the highway. Be great fun im sure haha
330hp to the wheels is really good, it could’ve been to the crankshaft, I saw numbers of 330+ with vortech sc, e85 and a tune with fbo! This was on a 2015 scion frs
So 16kw (11%) gain from tune and headerback exhaust system on 98. Potentially 27kw (18%) from stock to e85. Really good for what, 4k in tune and exhaust stuff? Just another reason why you should get the manual BRZ over the manual GR86, which is 4-5k more expensive her in Aus :( And while I am here. 176kw at the hubs from a 4 banger naturally aspirated? That's just crazy.
How is it worth it for 10-15 hp? You can't really tell 10-15 hp. Does it not make much because it's NA? When I tuned my A6 I went from 310 hp to 500hp, so 10 seems like money thrown away. Is the WRX a better candidate for power? Doesn't look like a sports car though; it looks like a Tonka toy nowadays. It needs plastic conditioner in the sun over time. lol. I'm wondering what it can do with forced induction, cost to add that, but this 15 hp is so underwhelming. I'm looking into the tuning potential of these for power, then add a wide body kit, and some light rims + wide tires.
The Honda S2K was making 237hp completely bone stock 20+ years ago and was MUCH more reliable. A tuned modern N/A 4cyl with supporting mods now should be well above those old stock Honda numbers.
@@noirceur_ oh trust me buddy i know allll about hondas hahaha. imo i would never own a subaru just found it quite impressive to see another 4 cyl making 200+ wheel from factory. I think this is the last production na 4cyl we have right now that n/a that makes power. but its a fucking subaru boxer rip
Gee I'm glad you played that shitty drum and bass over the top of him giving his explanation! Would have been a real shame to hear what he was saying while gesturing to the graph!
@@BarrySlisk lmao yeah. I can afford K5gt and Sonata Nline, those have way more power. This car is overpriced for performance it gives. I'd take miata oflver this
@@BarrySlisk I looked up the vehicle you were talking about and it has what 220 hp if I'm not mistaking. Miata weight less and not necessarily cheaper. It's like $40K for manual with sport appearance brembos and recaro seats. It's better because it's much light and has 50/50 weight distribution and has strong aftermarket support
Kevin Vo did e85 tune with the ecutek beta. The new model has multi-injection - direct injection with port injection. So it should clean the valves from the sticky build up that is common on high ethanol gas. However, the power gains are not much. Kevin made 6 hp on e85 compared to regular gas, with an exhaust and tune. For a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder, I don't think the power gain is worth the fuel economy. And I live in the state with the most abundant ethanol in the country.
@@chrisg4rr377 I mean, its more of a pure experience sports car. A turbo with turbo lag, a muted engine note and (usually) a non linear powerband would just make it worse.
@@zaarkeru3391 a power band thats not actually powerful. And modern turbos don't suffer from lag. Just it would make it slightly more fun than a boring slow car
There is an old one on RUclips from hot version, guy swapped in the EZ30R 3.0 liter into a FT86 and the hot version crew drove it on gunsai. It had good torque but they didn’t seem to think very highly of the car itself
best ones I've seen run EJ's, like the GT300 BRZ. There is also this crazy BRZ you can see on youtube, where the guy has it converted to AWD and is running an EJ. Search it up.
@@Jez4prez1 ive seen that awd BRZ as well. I think its just that the EJ's are better race motors honestly, bigger bore, more work into cylinder head porting, etc
@@MotiveVideo Sorry, didn't mean to offend you and your great work... I live in North America... and just after a few thousand miles I tuned up my new cars not worrying about warranty - Acura RSX ~ 300 WHP, Scion tC ~ 400 WHP and now Corolla Hatch ~ 215 HP (non-turbo). Simply, I have had NO issues with these engines ... while my friends experience issues with non tuned Subaru Boxers. Keep up a great work.
This is a newer engine than the first gen FA20D in the BRZ/GT86. The FA24 is only 4-5 years old, and that's the F variant which has a turbo while this is the D which is NA is only about 3 years old. It has reportedly "fixed" the issues with the older engine so reliability is a bit unknown at this point but said to be better. Toyota also upped its stake in Subaru to 20% and made it part of Toyota Group around 2020 so I'm sure that's put more pressure on them for better reliability.
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I've been looking for a proper GR86/BRZ project for months that really shows how much potential this engine has, hopefully you guys will come up with a proper forced induction that does justice to this very last ice JDM icon
amen
Very last ICE? I doubt hard bro. ICE will come back harder than ever. EV mandates won't last long.
Solid gains from the tuning, Try that E85 tune out next, the gains looked really impressive! :)
Hell yeah guys, will be following the build. I have a GR86 on the way and can't wait to see what a turbo can do.
sadly they are selling the car.
Nxt lvl got a turbo kit in the works coming out this week they say ~350hp
@@oscara.7950 SME Australia doing kits now. Also HKS and TOM's kits in development
You should stick with a naturally aspirated build for this one, since this is the modern revival of the AE86 and the best 86's are tuned N/A builds, i would love to see if changing the whole intake manifold and intake filter system would make a good difference for power on this engine, could certainly get more power out of it at high RPM with an intake that's optimised for peak power, but E85 would be a great upgrade too.
Yes, NA power everything like the S2000.
Need an itb conversion for that to be worth it. Otherwise it needs a centrifugal.
@@Toymonkeyjr twin screw*
A stroker kit would be amazing if possible. I'm not too familiar with flat engines enough to know why they don't have any though.
@@thedoctormma9433 centrifugal would make it retain most of it's na powerband just more torque the whole way, twin screw would ruin the experience and probably cause more oversteer in cornering.
I do think a supercharger may be pretty sick with these new 2.4s. I think hks just showed off one at the Tokyo show
any amount of boost will make a FA pop. Its not if, its when. The things needs to be built for boost
@@ThunderGoatz dude the fa24 is a monster it consumes boost happily
@@PendingEvolution Lots of big differences between the FA24F in the WRX and the FA24D in the BRZ/GR86 - too early to tell how well the latter deals with stress long-term.
@@damonreece agreed. he just said FA without specifying anything. but again I wouldnt be suprised if this generation 24D was significantly I'mproved over last in terms of boost consumability
@@PendingEvolution It should be noted that running higher compression is automatically a disadvantage for reliability, although nobody will know for sure how they will hold up until a decent number of them get turbos but I'm hedging my expectations.
Great update on the BRZ. Are you going to do a video on what else the Ecutek software does such as auto rev matching etc. ?
I know turbo is the go. But I also feel like a Harrop supercharger would also suit the car if you weren’t going for max power.
For the price, go turbo
@L W same with JDL turbo kits. And still have potential for more power
@wheresimpreza I haven't seen that executed on these cars. Having said that, I haven't gone looking either.
Agree 100% - prefer the linear power of a roots style charger. Who cares if a turbo has more headroom… this car doesn’t need 400hp to be fun on the street.
Yeah just ordered an 86 and I think I’m gonna go with the Harrop supercharger
Sounds quite good. Good gains .
86s and metal? Two of my favorite things
Great results! I'm very curious to see what it will make when cams will be developed for this engine.
If TOMS come out with Cam and Rod I be very interested. If it can rev out to 8k rpm and gain more HP at that top end will make this extraordinary.
idk maybe i don’t know what impressive gains are, but 15hp from a tune doesn’t sound crazy. my 2019 turbo brz was making more whp than this car on BASE map (5psi) after tune i’m around 290whp on 12psi, which was a 60hp gain from the tune. No E85 yet because there are no stations around me
obviously you aren’t going to get as big gains on an NA car, but my point is, why spend 600-1000 on a tune when you can buy a turbo kit for 3-5k and have 3x better results and 10x better after tune.
Because it is illegal to put a turbo on an N/A car in most of the world.
Wait is the car wrapped with this color, this color looks so good on this car!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yea that wrap is gorgeous
@@PBrooksSawyer FR LOOKS REALL GOOD!
No freedom units?
You guy should do a series with the VB WRX like you guy did with the Yaris…awesome stuff 👍
I will still bet a UEL will do better filling in that TQ dip and making power under 5k. The EL should still do better with peak numbers. I think a UEL will make for a more peppy, fun street car. And lets not forget that the sound is like an engine orgasm. You can keep your couple extra HP up top as far as I am concerned. LOL
You can't feel the torque dip at all by the seat of your pants. The 4-2-1 header design mimics 90% the mid range gains of a UEL header while still being able to flow the HP up top and the engine stays motivated to rev.
@@alekhoskins I sure felt it when my car was stock. Now with my UEL the car will light the tires up from a rolling start when it hits the midrange. That is still on stock tune too. Im usually all about max performance but the sound of a UEL cant be beat. In this case I make the sacrifice. I am glad to see progress with tuning for sure though. Once flex fuel kits are available I will get mine tuned.
@@boost331 I 100% have to agree with you there. I had PSR UEL headers on my GT86 paired with the Invidia N1 full exhaust and it sounded godly...
Make you appreciate what was possible in the early 90s with the Porsche 944S2 and 968. 3L 4cyl N/A with pistons like coffee cans. Change injectors, plugs, cat delete and get ahold of the factory racing chip and presto, 310whp. They hung in there with 550HP Camaros and Eagle Talons running all the boost in GT racing because they had a wide power band with the vario-cam. V-Tech yo. 🤣🤣
still don't understand why they didn't opt for the 1.6 GR Yaris engine. keep it light
Would love to see this swap if it hasn't been done yet!
It’s intended to be a more “pure” car, not a drift missile or a rally machine. With that kind of driver’s car approach, NA is really the best way to go with that setup, notably for the linear torque curve and predictable power delivery. That 3 cyl turbo prob would have made the car unwieldy and ornery, which kills the whole point of what the GR86 is supposed to be about in the first place
Cost
There’s no way that power plant is lighter considering all the added engine support to run a turbo system.
BRZ/GT86 were designed to have a flat engine so they can keep the hood low. GR Corolla needs a hood bulge from how tall the engine is.
I miss hearing this voice on d sport dvd
My objection is I bet the car bone stock dynoed higher then 152kw due to the full exhaust potentially flowing too well and the ecu in stock form not compensating which reduced hp from bone stock. So the real net gain from bone stock vs full exhaust +tune isnt as substantial that is shown in this video on pump gas. What do you think?
After tuning my mazdaspeed i noticed an increase in MPG, i wonder if that is the case for the 86 as well
Car being optimized for the increased airflow hence the better mpgs if you don’t floor it lol
The song is So Easy by Jed Stark. You're welcome.
Are you going to Tune it or are you going to Chewn it? Kinda seems like a Chewn is the operative word. Not sure what that is but a good tuning would be nice
I'd love to see one with some big cams
Not sure what supercharger to with for my GR86
Still waiting on that intake video 👀
Can you use ecutek on a automatic GR86 2023 ?
What oil weight does he recommend? And if yall can do a explanation as well. Thats been a topic in the forums
Any updates on the BRZ?
Might as well buy WRX STI and tune it instead spending money on NA.
Anything new going on with the BRZ?
Parramatta Vehicle Services?
Is the Motive Toyobaru getting some yeah buds and a 4 inch suspension drop?
PVS are into racing
16wkw increase, how many wnm?
I have a brz. This song is so painfully slow I’ve been considering it lol
What’s a BRZedd?
What is up with the horrible jump in the middle? Looks like old vtec or a waste cracking open
Suscribed because of the music choice lol
I work at a toyota dealership in 2016 and the master tech at the time got to install a stage 2 turbo kit ( bigger pump, exhaust and injectors also ) on a toyota 86. Was advertised to make around 330 Hp. Not sure if it was at the tires or not. I really dont think so. But all i know is that thing with sticky michelins would break loose at 90 k an hour on the highway. Be great fun im sure haha
330hp to the wheels is really good, it could’ve been to the crankshaft, I saw numbers of 330+ with vortech sc, e85 and a tune with fbo! This was on a 2015 scion frs
@@julecasey2376 thats sweet! always liked the Frs
Meanwhile my friend brz thinks his header exhaust and stage 2 tune makes 400hp i kinda felt bad and funny at the same time🤣
Is it catless?
So 16kw (11%) gain from tune and headerback exhaust system on 98. Potentially 27kw (18%) from stock to e85. Really good for what, 4k in tune and exhaust stuff? Just another reason why you should get the manual BRZ over the manual GR86, which is 4-5k more expensive her in Aus :(
And while I am here. 176kw at the hubs from a 4 banger naturally aspirated? That's just crazy.
2.4 is a big 4 cylinder.
@@yume8380 Yeah great cylinder size for performance at 600ml - Same as a 3.8 6, or a 5l 8. They really did give us a ripper of an NA send-off.
What was the NM increase I wonder.
@@jameslovett8697 peaked at 270nm at the wheels at around 4k or so if I recall.
@@Blight-fp3vt it's 250nm at the engine stock no? So what is it stock at the wheels and does it go to 270nm at the engine or wheels with this?
How is it worth it for 10-15 hp? You can't really tell 10-15 hp. Does it not make much because it's NA? When I tuned my A6 I went from 310 hp to 500hp, so 10 seems like money thrown away.
Is the WRX a better candidate for power? Doesn't look like a sports car though; it looks like a Tonka toy nowadays. It needs plastic conditioner in the sun over time. lol.
I'm wondering what it can do with forced induction, cost to add that, but this 15 hp is so underwhelming. I'm looking into the tuning potential of these for power, then add a wide body kit, and some light rims + wide tires.
Ooof NA life ay 13kw is like what u make from an air filter no tune on a good turbo car rip.
You must be fun at parties
Worthwhile is one word.
Man...wish I had enough money not to care about throwing my warranty and lifetime oil changes out the window.
honestly quite impressive for a 4cyl... 220+ hp to rear wheels.. and you loose a bit more in rwd vs fwd.. guessing thats probably 250+ at crank
The Honda S2K was making 237hp completely bone stock 20+ years ago and was MUCH more reliable. A tuned modern N/A 4cyl with supporting mods now should be well above those old stock Honda numbers.
@@noirceur_ Not to the rear wheels it wasnt.
@@SouthlandFlyer 239hp to wheels, bone stock, 20 years later. Sorry for the long video, skip to 4:40 ruclips.net/video/nYKIcgWUliY/видео.html
@@noirceur_ it quite clearly says engine power 239, wheel power 176hp.
@@noirceur_ oh trust me buddy i know allll about hondas hahaha. imo i would never own a subaru just found it quite impressive to see another 4 cyl making 200+ wheel from factory. I think this is the last production na 4cyl we have right now that n/a that makes power. but its a fucking subaru boxer rip
imagine the gr86 with the gr yaris/corolla powertrain..
That would increase the price exponentially, this is an affordable sports car.
not an “86” then
As it should have been. Or at the very least FA24 turbo TRD/STi model. So they are legal in Europe and Asia where turbocharging is not permitted.
Gee I'm glad you played that shitty drum and bass over the top of him giving his explanation! Would have been a real shame to hear what he was saying while gesturing to the graph!
I thought RON98 was better than e85 🤷🏻♂️
nope
E85 will give it another 20whp
More like 10. Kevin Vo did e85 tune and only got 6-7 hp vs a 91 tune with catback.
@@Treaxvour tune with a header will give big results.
If this car had 300 whp from factory I'd buy in the hard beat
Could you afford it then?
@@BarrySlisk lmao yeah. I can afford K5gt and Sonata Nline, those have way more power. This car is overpriced for performance it gives. I'd take miata oflver this
@@i.d.6492
But the miata design is so ugly and has even less power??? Cheaper though, true.
@@BarrySlisk I looked up the vehicle you were talking about and it has what 220 hp if I'm not mistaking. Miata weight less and not necessarily cheaper. It's like $40K for manual with sport appearance brembos and recaro seats. It's better because it's much light and has 50/50 weight distribution and has strong aftermarket support
Still more of a sound choice
What needs to be done to get a BRZ running on flex fuel and is there any down sides? Reliability problems?
No real downsides. There isn’t a flex kit available on the market for the new 2.4L cars yet. It was very popular on the 2L cars!
Kevin Vo did e85 tune with the ecutek beta. The new model has multi-injection - direct injection with port injection. So it should clean the valves from the sticky build up that is common on high ethanol gas. However, the power gains are not much. Kevin made 6 hp on e85 compared to regular gas, with an exhaust and tune. For a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder, I don't think the power gain is worth the fuel economy. And I live in the state with the most abundant ethanol in the country.
@@Treaxvour so what is the best option for performance gains? forced induction or just swap it atp?
So 2000 dollars roughly for 10hp? Nah I'll stay stock.
lol
As far as I can see, it still has the torque dip
nah it doesn't really
That torque dip will go great with your chips!!!
It needs a 1j
I like my warranty too much
Does all4 cylinder have a nasty torque curve
no, just BRZ/86 engines
Boxer engines
HP?
*Stabs people that say 'zed' instead of z*
So the brz still isn't coming with a factory turbo????
@lw1878 kinda sucks. Not that i ever would have bought one
@@chrisg4rr377 I mean, its more of a pure experience sports car.
A turbo with turbo lag, a muted engine note and (usually) a non linear powerband would just make it worse.
@@zaarkeru3391 a power band thats not actually powerful. And modern turbos don't suffer from lag. Just it would make it slightly more fun than a boring slow car
@@chrisg4rr377 Boring slow car? Lol, that's why car reviewers are raving about it eh?
Making this more powerful would make the 2.0 Supra useless, and cannibalize Toyota’s sales. Mind you more expensive too 😅
First or second gen.... I still want to see a Subaru 6 cylinder swap!
There is an old one on RUclips from hot version, guy swapped in the EZ30R 3.0 liter into a FT86 and the hot version crew drove it on gunsai. It had good torque but they didn’t seem to think very highly of the car itself
yes I was expecting a 3.0 flat 6. Then they put a 300hp 1.6 in a yaris????
best ones I've seen run EJ's, like the GT300 BRZ. There is also this crazy BRZ you can see on youtube, where the guy has it converted to AWD and is running an EJ. Search it up.
@@Jez4prez1 ive seen that awd BRZ as well. I think its just that the EJ's are better race motors honestly, bigger bore, more work into cylinder head porting, etc
@@inaNis_ for sure, plus decades of motorsport R&D behind the EJ platform, with aftermarket parts for basically every component in the engine.
Just need sun roof to be perfect
Tf is a kw? Gimme hp
*Pro Tip. Divide kw by 0.74. And you'll get a pretty close hp estimate. Times Nm by 0.74 and you'll get a close ft-lb tq estimate.*
"What the Hell is a Gigawatt!!??"
Still underpowered
No it's not for the price
Yes it is a good gain in power for $$$ but it’s a shame they have no excitement stock like an s chassis turbo of 15 years ago.
TURBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You know it's coming eventually lol
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it’s up for sale
@@WHYxSOxSERiiOUS no real point when they have already developed the gr yaris
ecutek is just copy & paste tuning.
Chewwnn
It’s still slow, so I would say no
If you think it’s slow, you don’t know how to drive around a circuit well enough 😁
Turbo takes the fun out of every car. Cars are suppose to be fun. Why would you turbo any car i will never understand
Taking the turbo off a car makes it so boring. We could never understand why someone would want a naturally aspirated car.
You have no idea what your talking about
Tunes will grenade your engine otherwise why wouldn't car manufactures just make the engine have more horsepower from the factory?
🤦♂️ You must be fun at car shows
You must be new here
@@MotiveVideo
interesting question though. But I am also a total idiot when it comes to cars and tuning.
Still gutless
Increase rev limit ?
Why? if power is no longer increasing?
@@MotiveVideo u tested that ? Els for gear advantage like 8 would make it more fun also
Why would we add power to the engine that is very, VERY UNRELIABLE ?
I know right! we should just shit down the entire aftermarket and racing industry and never modify our cars.
@@MotiveVideo Sorry, didn't mean to offend you and your great work... I live in North America... and just after a few thousand miles I tuned up my new cars not worrying about warranty - Acura RSX ~ 300 WHP, Scion tC ~ 400 WHP and now Corolla Hatch ~ 215 HP (non-turbo). Simply, I have had NO issues with these engines ... while my friends experience issues with non tuned Subaru Boxers. Keep up a great work.
This is a newer engine than the first gen FA20D in the BRZ/GT86. The FA24 is only 4-5 years old, and that's the F variant which has a turbo while this is the D which is NA is only about 3 years old. It has reportedly "fixed" the issues with the older engine so reliability is a bit unknown at this point but said to be better. Toyota also upped its stake in Subaru to 20% and made it part of Toyota Group around 2020 so I'm sure that's put more pressure on them for better reliability.
Dont waste your money on the heaps of shit to begin with!