I own a 23' GR86 MT and love it. I worked for Porsche and drove about 200k miles with all 911 derivates of the 997 and 991 series. My GR86 gives me 90% of the fun for reasonable money
Well said -- while I haven't owned 911s, I still reached the same conclusion. I cross shopped used 718 Caymans. Cost, warranty, and backseats steered me to the BRZ. You track your 86 at all?
Im coming from an 04 TL almost 300 HP I’ve heard that there isn’t continuous build up in the gears. Like acura/honda you build up all the way until 7.5k and then next just no clunking or grinding in the shift. Just not what I would think
As a 2023 BRZ limited owner, love your channel so far. Hope you get more subscribers! Your content is just about perfect for what I am interested in. I live in the mountains of southern NM with awesome roads and very few people. Lots of tight turns. Even with altitude from 8-9500ft with the attendant loss of power, the BRZ is simply perfect.....after you pull the plug on the sound synthesizer. And, because I hardly ever have to stop, I routinely average well over 30mpg, even while hammering the car around corners. I even don't think it is that loud, except for really rough gravelly pavement. Love the Edmunds U-turn video where the BRZ beat the new turbo WRX in acceleration. As the co owner (now with my son) of a Cobb Stage 2 2004 WRX wagon, I can say that the old WRX is faster, but does not handle near as well. We have lots of bumps mid corner here, and I am amazed how the BRZ just ignores the bumps even when pulling serious G's. I wonder how well the GR86 would handle them with the stiffer setup? Maybe something to review for you? BTW, just replaced my initial set of Michelin PS4's with the new PS5's instead of the PS4S or other options. Seriously impressed with this new tire that just became available in the US. And have to like the 30000mi warranty. Can you tell me where you got the 8:27 number for the BRZ? Was it stock? Is there a video? Another BTW, I am always amazed at all the people who say Subaru should have added a turbo to the BRZ. With Subaru's current design, this is basically impossible which people should be made aware of. The pre 2015 cars had the turbo plumbed to the right rear of the engine towards the top. My 2004 wagon is like this. However, starting in 2015, they plumbed the turbo at the bottom right rear of the engine to shorten the exhaust runner length and reduce turbo lag. The turbo is basically under the engine. My 2017 Forester XT is like this. With the extremely low ride height of the BRZ, the turbo design that Subaru uses for the 2.4 simply would not fit without raising the engine significantly. Something you obviously don't want to do with the low Center of Gravity vehicle. Anyhoo, love your channel. Keep it up!
Hey thanks for the support -- it looks like we're cut from the same cloth 🤙. 100% agreed on how the BRZ soaks up bumps; comparing to a GR86 is a great idea! Also agreed with how a turbo, routed in an OEM style, would jeopardize the COG. A roots blower on an STi model though...I'd love to see it! Here's the link for the 08:27 run: www.motor1.com/news/619839/toyota-gr86-nurburgring-lap-onboard/amp/ How do you like the PS5s? Any quieter? If you have a favorite road in your area too I'd love to get its name and check it out. Thanks for posting up your thoughts 🤙
@@KonkrRoads I think the PS5's might be just a tad quieter. But the PS4's were not bad. But like all summer tires I have had, they get a bit louder as they wear (but then they handle more like slicks!). I live by Cloudcroft New Mexico. Our house is at 7500ft and Cloudcroft is around 9000. The roads aren't particularly long and one you cannot ride in a loop. But The Sunspot highway (130 out of Cloudcroft, turn right on the Sunspot Observatory (hwy 6563 [which is the spectral wavelength of Hydrogen as an omage to the solar observatory!]) is 32 miles of wonderfullness......Rides along the ridge for most of it and then drops down to the town of Timberon. Tons of up and down and tight turns. This is better to ride on the weekdays or shoulder seasons as weekends have lots of tourists in the summer. My go to quick ride loop is to go down to Mayhill and drive hwy 130 up to Cloudcroft which is around 30 miles for me. Good reason to run errands in Cloudcroft. 130 is usually pretty empty. Then I also take hwy 82 east to hwy 24 and do the loop back to hwy130 through Pinon. This road is always empty. You can also drive 244 to Ruidoso from Cloudcroft which is really pretty, but not as great a driving road as the others. Do you ever get out this way? Aren't you in Hawaii?
@@Dirtman150 great data! I just Google-mapped Cloudcroft -- I can see why you drive there! You're not too far from the Coronado Trail in AZ too...ever go out that way? I drove through NM on US40 a few years ago on a cross-country drive (in my wife's Outback 😎) -- beautiful area. Wish I had stopped to see the wavelength road and snapped a photo; that's about as unique as it gets!
@@KonkrRoads Been on the Coronado Trail (191) several times. Talk about awesome. A bit of a haul from here. I also do a long loop from our house through Silver City to hwy 15, then 35, then 152 over Emory Pass in the Gila Wilderness of NM. Worth doing at some time.
@@KonkrRoads My wife has an Outback too. Ha! We are quite the Subaru family. I also have a 2017 Forester XT with the WRX engine. And I gave my son my 2004 WRX wagon with the Cobb stage 2 package which he still has. We kind of co own it and I get to drive it anytime we go visit.....I still love that car. That 2L engine with the 7000 rpm redline is so much better than the poor excuse they have in the WRX today (with the 6000 redline). I had planned on getting the new STI when it came out.....until it didn't. Hence my vector to the BRZ. And so glad I went that way. Completely different experience. May keep it forever.
@@illiterate-ei8dp here I thought I knew most of the great roads! Thanks for sharing -- google maps view is pretty epic with curves and elevation. I'll have to check those two out in the Santa Cruz mountains for sure 🤙
Love this car. Its basically the 240 of modern times. I saw the GR86 in Gran Turismo 7 and bought one a couple of months later in May 2022. Learned to drive manual on it. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
I think it speaks volumes if a lot of people realize many of us gr86/brz owners came from much faster straight line cars and dont regret it. 18 tuned s3 into a 23 brz limited here. I think a big factor that will change people's minds is taking the car to the track. The balance and feel of a dedicated light weight sports car is just better than cars that have to compromise more for comfort and convenience.
It's decent for its power to weight ratio. A blast to drive when alone. If carrying a passenger and some cargo you can feel it significantly different.
I own a BR86 and love it, but i think why people say it's too slow is for two main reasons. hp per dollar and it "looks" like it's fast. A lot of straight line driving in the states and there are a lot of cars with faster 0-60's in the same price range. I've owned plenty faster cars but they were not nearly as fun to drive as the new BR86, which I think is the most important factor to a sports car.
If you want straight line brainless no skill driving experience, get a heavy turbo/supercharged boat aka mustang hellcat whatever. The japanese twins were made for tuners with modularity in mind. Hence the NA motor. I'm glad they went with the NA route, keeps costs down and boosts reliability, while keeping options open in the future
I have had my 2025 BRZ tS for a little over a week now. Nobody that has been for a ride in it thought it was slow, and that is with me keeping it under 4000 RPM since it is brand new. And the cornering is divine.
@@KonkrRoads I plan to put an AWE Touring catback exhaust on it and maybe a splitter on the front. I am also considering getting a different set of wheels with more of an all weather tire installed. None of that really requires making it past break-in though. I guess the only plans I have for after break-in is to drive it a little harder than I do during break-in.
I drove a Cobalt SS/SC with some mods as a daily driver for years. The GR86 drives and handles noticeably better and I don't have to worry about extra maintenance with forced induction. The whole reason I bought a GR86 2023 was because it was one of the few new affordable sports cars that still offered all the perks small tuner cars from the 2000s used to offer. If you loved the small tuner cars from the late 90s and early 2000s then this is one of the cars you want to try out. People do not realize getting 228 HP out of a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder is nothing to laugh about AND it is RWD. You can easily get near 250HP with a good header, exhaust, intake, and a E85 tune. If you want to go the turbo or supercharger route then 300HP + is easily accomplished. I do not think it is needed, but the platform is there to build on. These types of cars are a dying breed and I doubt we will see many more in the future.
All very well said, especially on the nostalgic factor. The BRZ brings back Z31 300ZX memories for me (I had three: 87, 88 Shiro, 89 all manual) and the interior even has Isuzu Impulse vibes (learned stick in this). You own any other older cars aside from the Cobalt?
Totally agree with you that our perpective on speed has gotten insane. I own a 2nd gen BRZ and its plenty fast enough for me 90% of the time. I owned a C7 Z51, which would blow the doors clean off my BRZ, and yet this car puts a much bigger smile on my face. Only thing I'll point out is that tire tech has big one of the biggest 21st century evolutions in car performance. I'd bet, if you could put some of those classics on the same set of shoes that come on the top trim twins, those numbers might change quite a bit.
The C7, nannies off, will kill you quickly and think nothing of it. It was an absolutely phenomenal car but, turn everything off, and you learned real fast that computers were doing a lions share of the work to make it so good.
Super good point on tire tech. To the same point, it's still quite impressive the 86/BRZ laps so quickly on 215 street tires. I also came from a higher HP American car and agree 100%-- I had a 2016 Mustang GT performance package with a 6spd...450hp or so -- BRZ is much, much more fulfilling and fun to drive. You do any mods to your BRZ?
No performance mods. New taillights, a Borla S Type exhaust, a mini amp and factory sub for the stereo. I also adjusted the clutch pedal slightly closer to the floor to find a more natural engagement point. Besides a winter wheel and tire set up soon to come, that's probably about all I'll do. Feels about perfect for my use case as a daily urban runabout. To your point about fun being about far more than spec sheet numbers, the twins were not even on my radar when I initially started shopping. I had my sights set on a Mach 1. I test drove a GR86 on a whim, mostly out of boredom, as I was waiting for a Mach 1 in the spec I wanted to pop up on the market, and IMMEDIATELY fell in love. Compared to the Mach 1, it just felt special and engaging all the time, even at pedestrian speeds. Only thing I'll truly miss from the Mustang is the Tremec. That shifter is perfection.
This is it exactly. So many cars are so freaking fast. But that power is not really usable on the street if you want to stay out of trouble. It then just becomes bragging rights. Which is cool, but doesn't really do that much for you in the end.
After Electric cars/Tesla speed is not the priority! Handling is ...... This is a car with a perfect build and Handling right off the lot. This is a daily legal race car. Once you drive a GR 86 end experience the balance handling and the feel of the steering wheel. Everything is just so tuned in. For the first time i feel like adding to the build is a choice off the lot. Bought my GR 86 23 with 8 miles .....I am now at 21000 miles and it has been great as a daily. Winter >>> snow mode and snow tires this car handled great for a rear wheel drive. Better then my super girls Veloster N turbo. Great video
if you put good modern tires on any of those older cars, you'll see they're much faster than on paper. I still believe you're correct though. I own a 2013 FRS with a widebody (don't recommend widebody btw) and an HKS Supercharger.
@@KonkrRoads Yup! I grew up on rear wheel drive in the snow, really looking forward to the handling and grip ill have with my blizzak tires. Its my daily drive for now, might get a winter beater though if the winters are too rough.
It is worth noting that if you DO want laptimes, it's not difficult to do so. Stick a turbo on it, half a bar of boost, making 300 horsepower easy... it is genuinely a rocket ship. Check out Misha's video to see it keep up with a modern Cayman GT4!
@@KonkrRoads Honestly I'm probably not going to do either. Not for a while, anyway. If I did decide to do one or the other it's between a turbo's lag vs a supercharger's parasitic loss
I haven’t driven a BRZ but I figure it’s similar enough to my S2000. These cars have a “fun” amount of power and great handling. I’ve driven more powerful car but if you live in or near the mountain twisties, the BRZ, Miata, S2000 type cars are where it’s at.
Dude - great video. We have a GR86 and LOVE it; I'll be posting some more autocross videos, which is where I think this car really shines. Small youtubers and GR86/BRZ lovers unite!!!
@@ANormalName. tire compound certainly is a factor when comparing to the older cars. BRZ vs the Ferrari Testarossa though -- I'm not sure the BRZ's Michelin 215/40 street tires alone give a 50 second win on the Nurburgring. The Ferrari's tire compound may have been antiquated, but it had some meats backed with big power. Would be an epic comparison to see: Testarossa on modern Michelins vs the BRZ
switching from a V8 RS5 to 2022GR86, the 86 is absolutely amazing. The driving fun is more about hitting the G-force/handling in corners than going fast in a straight line. A straightline car is just not that exciting, 3rd gear hitting jail speed on the highway, and that's it.
2024 GR86 MT owner here. It's the best car I've ever had. And I'm 42 years old. It's just as fast in a straight line as a 2001 Mustang GT. Around a track, it can beat a hell of a lot more cars than you would think. It's like a poor man's Porsche.
It’s just as fast as my “stock” 350z from 2005. Z had linear power throughout powerband and gr86 comes alive after 4krpm. Both were/are manual transmission
I like it as a naturally aspirated car but it just lacks the get-up-and-go that a turbo or supercharger would add. Thanks for the well done and thought-out video.
@@charlesxchaves I have a 2022 BRZ with about 55,000 miles on it. I supercharged it this spring. I'm at around 300 wheel hp. It's just so much fun to drive as a daily. Not that it was bad in any way stock. I just wanted more giddy-up.
@@johnmayer2140 5,4 is from Car & Driver magazine. They hit that time in the GR86 and BRZ when testing new, then again later on their long term BRZ. Hagerty just recently recorded a 5,6 in a GR86 with a self-diagnosed poor launch.
I guarantee if you took a seasoned muscle car guy or hp fanatic…have them a brz/gr86 and let them run a deserted curvy technical mountain road with elevation change and they would not complain about hp and would enjoy the constant engagement it brings in the feels department. I had an 05 350z manual /Chrysler crossfire manual and test drove a 370z. My 23 limited brz manual is twice as fun easily. The heavier the vehicle no matter the hp takes the feels out of the driving experience. The less the weight no matter the hp put more feels into the driving experience and this car does it extremely well.
You say mostly Subaru for the design , I’m not so sure. Refer to Pumphreys Up To Speed on the GT86, is he mistaken? Any way I think it was the same design team on the GR86.
I admit fault here -- "design" was a poor choice of words on my parts. Yes, Toyota did the bulk of the design, as well as conceptualizing and fighting for the 86 in the first place. Subaru had the bulk of development though, and this is why I credit Subaru for how the car drives and feels more so than Toyota.
I agree with the sentiments of this video but there is no way in hell the GR86 or BRZ stock is doing a 5.4 second 0 to 60 from a dig. For reference here is a video of the BRZ from Australia (where the car has 233 hp instead of the US's 228 hp) and the best time they could get is 6.54 to 100kph (which is 0 to 62 mph) and he has tested many cars on that exact strip of road. Does anyone have footage of this supposed 5.4 second 0 to 60? ruclips.net/video/S_TCFurnSlE/видео.html&ab_channel=DrivingEnthusiast
I don't have a C&D video, and don't know their secrets to the fast time, but what's also interesting is they achieved the 5.4 0-60 in both the GR86 and BRZ independently. The BRZ in their test finished 0.1sec faster in the quarter mile at 13.9 as opposed to the GR86's 14.0: BRZ: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37419688/2022-subaru-brz-drive/ GR86: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37322814/2022-toyota-gr86-drive/
@@KonkrRoads the "secret" to an absolute best 0-60 time is to give your clutch and transmission absolute death. Launch a car like you literally stole it and do not have any concern for its longevity and it can return the absolute shortest 0-60 time. Which is why 0-60 is pointless despite being ballyhooed all the time. In the real world, no owner is going to do that unless they're sitting on a mountain of cash to fix/replace the transmission.
I can resolve this difference for you. The 5.4 figure comes from C&D and they omit 1ft of roll-out. That equates to .3 sec reduction in 0-60 time, meaning a real time of 5.7 sec. On the other side you are quoting some random outlet from Australia that tested to 62mph and they did it on a public road which likely does not have the grip of C&D's test track. In reality this is a high fives car with a capable driver at the helm. With an average driver, more like low 6's.
Yep, saw that for sure (7:59.1 to be exact). 17x9 wheels, some racing tires, and an oil cooler was all it took (of course, the driver was a huge part). That's F87 M2 speed and beats a 996.1 GT3
Found this video. ruclips.net/video/5m9uw-Sdem4/видео.html 7:59 with GR86. All stock including brakes, pads, and fluids except wheels and tires, an oil cooler, and a oil pan baffle. The guy says that RTV was not an issue with this vehicle. Perhaps the newer GR86's and BRZ's have fixed the excessive RTV issue. I could only find 1st Gen BRZ videos.
My 2022 Camaro LT1 6-speed was 35K MSRP. 6.2l V8, 455hp and torque, tremec 6 speed, front brembos, 20in wheels, LSD, etc all standard. New BRZ are like 30-35K which to me seems absurd. They are plenty fun but i sometimes find it hard to justify paying so much. Especially since theyve been having engine issues and its not like they get 30mpg combined and insurance is cheap.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 I'm still unsure on how Chevrolet offered the LT1 at such a bargain price -- even removing the 2.5% tariff on the BRZ doesn't price it out to an advantage. Bottom line: I think the BRZ and 86 are perfectly priced...the LT1 was just a deal of the decade if a musclecar floats the boat. 🤙
power to weight is overrated. Its about weight/chassis/suspension and how it relates to grip Once an object is in motion, power to weight isn't a factor as much as people think. In fact you want more weight as you go faster. Thats why you stick aero bits on proper places to add grip and adjust balance. Its laughable when someone says a car wins because they are 200lbs lighter when for 0-60 application its is more likely gearing.
I'm not sure about 231rwhp, but I've seen the videos (Hagerty's I believe?) where the BRZ overtakes an STi on their "there and back" course. Not slow for sure 🤙
I don't own one. But I gotta say, the biggest problem with the BRZ/GR86 isn't it's speed. It's the owners who feel the need to defend the car for some weird insecurity reasons. You don't see Miata owners (closest comparison) doing this nonsense. They bought the car they liked, because they like the car, end of story.
@@charlesxchaves To be fair, the Miata weighs significantly less than the BRZ/GR86, so of course it less space as a consequence. That's kind of the whole point of the car. Either way, nobody buys sports car with any real expectations for storage space. That's what a daily is for.
I mean it's the most hated on car in the whole community lmao. Most of the time unwarranted as well. I can't tell you how many times I've had my car called slow, and then gave people a ride and they totally changed their mind. So really the worst part about the car is the people who constantly shit on it.
I ran over a turtle yesterday in my 22 brz I just had a LITERAL CALLBACK to YESTERDAY over your thumbnail. I could hear the insides of that turtle hitting the other side of the road. The poor thing didn't stand a chance against my 18 inch wheels going around a turn at 60mph. I need a dash cam. I've hit raccoons and all sorts of stuff in this car and I've only owned it a year.
Confirmed: the BRZ is faster than a turtle. Truly sad though. While squirrels have a special place reserved in hell, turtles are chill and deserve a fruitful life. 🤙
@@69ers15 I don't have a C&D video, but what's also interesting is they achieved the 5.4 0-60 in both the GR86 and BRZ independently according to the below articles. The BRZ in their test finished 0.1sec faster in the quarter mile at 13.9 as opposed to the GR86's 14.0: BRZ: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37419688/2022-subaru-brz-drive/ GR86: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37322814/2022-toyota-gr86-drive/
@@69ers15 they could be playing BMW games, in that I mean hiding real numbers to avoid competitors aiming at a precise target to beat. The twin's HP numbers seem a bit low too -- most dynos are seeing a decent amount higher. It's this, or C&D just has that good of a driver
Still sad they don't offer STI turbo variet for those people that are willing pay for more power. I have several great N/A 4 cylinders icons. Yet hate driving them daily because they have no nuts until almost redline even then... Even if they put a camry V6 in I love that engine so much low end torque
The current design of the Subaru Turbo is underneath the engine to make the exhaust runners as short as possible and reduce turbo lag. Forester XT, current Outback and Ascent and Legacy GT all have this design. With the engine so low to the ground with the BRZ, there is no way they could use their current turbo design without raising the engine a significant amount which would negatively affect the Center of Gravity and of course really mess with the handling. There are probably other turbo options from the aftermarket and I know there will be superchargers. But the Subaru design they currently use for the WRX and other vehicles like the Ascent and Outback will not work with the BRZ. I think that is why Subaru does not do it as it would be a massive expenditure for a completely different engine design that would not be used in other models. My thoughts anyway.....
why do people keep saying that mostly subaru designed it? I know they manufacture it but Tetsuya Tada from toyota originally developed the platform, the FT86. We know that the engine has toyota's d4s system in it, the transmission and the diff are both toyota parts. Subaru doesn't make a single other rear wheel drive vehicle they would have never designed the car on their own. Not to mention toyota owns like 15 to 20 percent of subaru.
"Design" was a poor choice of words on my parts. Yes, Toyota did the bulk of the design, as well as conceptualizing and fighting for the 86 in the first place. Subaru had the bulk of development though, and this is why I credit Subaru for how the car drives and feels more so than Toyota.
honestly the car community on platforms like tiktok are horrible, and it sucks tjat their voices are so loud because in person the car community (in my area) is for the most part way better. When i hear people hate on the gr86 i just ignore them because i know there’s know way to change their minds.
Some of the drag races with other cars have been surprising. ruclips.net/video/52lxhZgFrG8/видео.htmlsi=kuanmI5jIghFnrht This one with the Turbo Supra especially. Although the wet pavement helped the GR86. ruclips.net/video/sGW3LyTtqHk/видео.htmlsi=uAPE6l6VxB34Vx6e This one against the current WRX was surprising to me as well. And very satisfying! Ha!
@@Dirtman150 Great videos -- the U-track win against the WRX is so good. Seeing a GR86 take down a Stig-driven 2JZ Supra is amazing! Thanks for sharing 😎🤙
@@shamster7182i feel like it is, the 86 beats the new wrx from a dig and roll. My tuned 1st gen BRZ ran a 0-60 5.7 so I imagine the gr86 is a tad bit faster
modern era of cars is actually pretty wack. the 4-cylinder mustang has a 4.5 second 0-60 and 315hp. 300+hp is basically normal now. 5 second 0-60 is family car fast. What's even going on? I feel like the average driver is now getting way more horsepower than they can competently or safely use, but that's what sells right now, but they really aren't designed to be able to use anywhere near all that power without doing the 'mustang at cars&coffee' photo op. GRZ compares well to 90s-oughts performance cars in straightline speed, but so does a Toyoya Sequoia.
@@entropy11 interesting you brought up the 90s -- part of 86/BRZ's charm, for me, is that its driving characteristics and interior design bring me back to those late 80s and 90s coupes I grew up driving. Nostalgia with a modern skin and MUCH better chassis. Anyway, you're right vehicles these days have so much speed and power -- you have to wonder if and when there's a culmination point
Dude, the average driver doesn't even notice the light went green! People are not exploiting there cars at all. And sports cars sell like shit these days so I don't think HP has the attraction it used to. In car tech seems more important to people now.
@@bearclaw5115 big numbers go brrrrr, and clearly they sell or Ford would have axed the Mustang by now. Sports cars aren't selling because 1: every other car on the road is a behemoth that can't see you over its hood and 2: HP inflation and 600hp ponycars and GTs make people think they're slow.
As a owner of the new BRZ. The car is only fast comparing to family cars. Any modern entry level fun car will gap you. IMO the twins are just okay overall
The BRZ should definitly have come with a turbo. Its anemic in power and my grandmother's minivan can beat it. While we're at it, the trunk should have been a hatchback instead and it should have came with 4 doors with usable rear seats and AWD as standard. They should have also raised it higher off the ground and called it a crossover for $30k.
@@KonkrRoads modified NB2 mazda miata but I just sold it and im actually going to get the 2nd gen BRZ, used, in a few days. Lol. Sorry my original comment was supposed to be satire 😂 the amount of people complaining about power is great because it keeps the prices of used models down. But its crazy that people want ot to have "usable back seats" 😂 its a 2door guys. Comon. We all know that that back seats are just for a legal loophole and insurance reasons in various countries. Plus its a great spot for some groceries or a dog.
Update: picked up a 2023 BRZ Limited in WR Blue. Got it as a certified used model with only 5k miles on it for $26k USD and im loving it. Coming from an NB2 miata to this is a huge upgrade all around. Sure, I lose the convertible top, but I gain a lot more torque and power, a much more planted feel around corners yet still has a comfortable ride even over potholes, more comfortable seats(but still needs lumbar support), more interior space, a much quieter interior on freeways(miatas are horrible above 40mph, this one is MUCH more generous on the ears with the electronic engine noises disabled) and I can put more than 4 grocery bags in the trunk now! 😂
Agreed. Dissing the 86 follows the Nickelback phenomenon. 86/BRZ is the most fun car I've had...if I put some cheap tires on I doubt there'd be any car more fun regardless of price 🤙
Car & Driver just posted another 5.4sec 0-60 with their 40,000 mile BRZ. No videos of the run, but the claim is repeated 🤙 www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41979904/2023-subaru-brz-manual-reliability-maintenance/
@KonkrRoads i had a 2013 FRs with some modds. I traded it in for a honda pilot because I moved to Florida and had another child on the way 4 in total and we share 1 car 😞. But I'm definitely saving so the wife and I have a weekend car and have dates nights with. My wife loves the car too.We have really good memories of just driving and getting lost for hours.
Saying an 86 is slow is a self report. Its not the car's fault you cant hit an apex.
Truth 🤙
fine i’ll buy a gr86
I own a 23' GR86 MT and love it. I worked for Porsche and drove about 200k miles with all 911 derivates of the 997 and 991 series. My GR86 gives me 90% of the fun for reasonable money
Well said -- while I haven't owned 911s, I still reached the same conclusion. I cross shopped used 718 Caymans. Cost, warranty, and backseats steered me to the BRZ. You track your 86 at all?
I’ve gotten plenty of speeding tickets on my GR86. The cops confirm it is fast. Lol
@@alexrain1188 😂😂🍻
‘24 GR here. It does not lack any get up and go.
Perfect daily driver
Absolutely
Im coming from an 04 TL almost 300 HP I’ve heard that there isn’t continuous build up in the gears. Like acura/honda you build up all the way until 7.5k and then next just no clunking or grinding in the shift. Just not what I would think
As a 2023 BRZ limited owner, love your channel so far. Hope you get more subscribers! Your content is just about perfect for what I am interested in.
I live in the mountains of southern NM with awesome roads and very few people. Lots of tight turns. Even with altitude from 8-9500ft with the attendant loss of power, the BRZ is simply perfect.....after you pull the plug on the sound synthesizer. And, because I hardly ever have to stop, I routinely average well over 30mpg, even while hammering the car around corners. I even don't think it is that loud, except for really rough gravelly pavement.
Love the Edmunds U-turn video where the BRZ beat the new turbo WRX in acceleration. As the co owner (now with my son) of a Cobb Stage 2 2004 WRX wagon, I can say that the old WRX is faster, but does not handle near as well.
We have lots of bumps mid corner here, and I am amazed how the BRZ just ignores the bumps even when pulling serious G's. I wonder how well the GR86 would handle them with the stiffer setup? Maybe something to review for you?
BTW, just replaced my initial set of Michelin PS4's with the new PS5's instead of the PS4S or other options. Seriously impressed with this new tire that just became available in the US. And have to like the 30000mi warranty.
Can you tell me where you got the 8:27 number for the BRZ? Was it stock? Is there a video?
Another BTW, I am always amazed at all the people who say Subaru should have added a turbo to the BRZ. With Subaru's current design, this is basically impossible which people should be made aware of. The pre 2015 cars had the turbo plumbed to the right rear of the engine towards the top. My 2004 wagon is like this. However, starting in 2015, they plumbed the turbo at the bottom right rear of the engine to shorten the exhaust runner length and reduce turbo lag. The turbo is basically under the engine. My 2017 Forester XT is like this. With the extremely low ride height of the BRZ, the turbo design that Subaru uses for the 2.4 simply would not fit without raising the engine significantly. Something you obviously don't want to do with the low Center of Gravity vehicle.
Anyhoo, love your channel. Keep it up!
Hey thanks for the support -- it looks like we're cut from the same cloth 🤙.
100% agreed on how the BRZ soaks up bumps; comparing to a GR86 is a great idea! Also agreed with how a turbo, routed in an OEM style, would jeopardize the COG. A roots blower on an STi model though...I'd love to see it!
Here's the link for the 08:27 run: www.motor1.com/news/619839/toyota-gr86-nurburgring-lap-onboard/amp/
How do you like the PS5s? Any quieter? If you have a favorite road in your area too I'd love to get its name and check it out.
Thanks for posting up your thoughts 🤙
@@KonkrRoads I think the PS5's might be just a tad quieter. But the PS4's were not bad. But like all summer tires I have had, they get a bit louder as they wear (but then they handle more like slicks!).
I live by Cloudcroft New Mexico. Our house is at 7500ft and Cloudcroft is around 9000. The roads aren't particularly long and one you cannot ride in a loop. But The Sunspot highway (130 out of Cloudcroft, turn right on the Sunspot Observatory (hwy 6563 [which is the spectral wavelength of Hydrogen as an omage to the solar observatory!]) is 32 miles of wonderfullness......Rides along the ridge for most of it and then drops down to the town of Timberon. Tons of up and down and tight turns. This is better to ride on the weekdays or shoulder seasons as weekends have lots of tourists in the summer.
My go to quick ride loop is to go down to Mayhill and drive hwy 130 up to Cloudcroft which is around 30 miles for me. Good reason to run errands in Cloudcroft. 130 is usually pretty empty.
Then I also take hwy 82 east to hwy 24 and do the loop back to hwy130 through Pinon. This road is always empty.
You can also drive 244 to Ruidoso from Cloudcroft which is really pretty, but not as great a driving road as the others.
Do you ever get out this way? Aren't you in Hawaii?
@@Dirtman150 great data! I just Google-mapped Cloudcroft -- I can see why you drive there! You're not too far from the Coronado Trail in AZ too...ever go out that way?
I drove through NM on US40 a few years ago on a cross-country drive (in my wife's Outback 😎) -- beautiful area. Wish I had stopped to see the wavelength road and snapped a photo; that's about as unique as it gets!
@@KonkrRoads Been on the Coronado Trail (191) several times. Talk about awesome. A bit of a haul from here.
I also do a long loop from our house through Silver City to hwy 15, then 35, then 152 over Emory Pass in the Gila Wilderness of NM. Worth doing at some time.
@@KonkrRoads My wife has an Outback too. Ha! We are quite the Subaru family. I also have a 2017 Forester XT with the WRX engine. And I gave my son my 2004 WRX wagon with the Cobb stage 2 package which he still has. We kind of co own it and I get to drive it anytime we go visit.....I still love that car. That 2L engine with the 7000 rpm redline is so much better than the poor excuse they have in the WRX today (with the 6000 redline). I had planned on getting the new STI when it came out.....until it didn't. Hence my vector to the BRZ. And so glad I went that way. Completely different experience. May keep it forever.
can't help but smile when ripping my GR86 through twisties 🙂
@@illiterate-ei8dp 100%!! Any good roads in your area??
@@KonkrRoads yes! hwy 35 and hwy 9 or what the folks around here call "the 9burgring" 😂
@@illiterate-ei8dp here I thought I knew most of the great roads! Thanks for sharing -- google maps view is pretty epic with curves and elevation. I'll have to check those two out in the Santa Cruz mountains for sure 🤙
Love this car. Its basically the 240 of modern times. I saw the GR86 in Gran Turismo 7 and bought one a couple of months later in May 2022. Learned to drive manual on it. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
its more like a 1st gen M3
I think it speaks volumes if a lot of people realize many of us gr86/brz owners came from much faster straight line cars and dont regret it. 18 tuned s3 into a 23 brz limited here. I think a big factor that will change people's minds is taking the car to the track. The balance and feel of a dedicated light weight sports car is just better than cars that have to compromise more for comfort and convenience.
Absolutely well said. Swapping from a tuned S3 certainly says a lot. I came from 6 years driving a S550 Mustang GT...BRZ has me smiling larger 🤙
Alfa Romeo Guilia Ti modded traded in for BRZ. Great car but fun cars are lightweight well balanced & manual
@@TrojanRabbit521 very well said 🤙
It's decent for its power to weight ratio. A blast to drive when alone. If carrying a passenger and some cargo you can feel it significantly different.
Well said 🤙
2024 BRZ Limited here 😎. I love the car and I have zero regrets buying it ❕
I'm with you 100% 🤙
An Absolute keeper for sure.
I own a BR86 and love it, but i think why people say it's too slow is for two main reasons. hp per dollar and it "looks" like it's fast. A lot of straight line driving in the states and there are a lot of cars with faster 0-60's in the same price range. I've owned plenty faster cars but they were not nearly as fun to drive as the new BR86, which I think is the most important factor to a sports car.
Absolutely well said. What other cars did you have in the past? My most recent prior to the BRZ was a S550 Mustang GT
If you want straight line brainless no skill driving experience, get a heavy turbo/supercharged boat aka mustang hellcat whatever.
The japanese twins were made for tuners with modularity in mind. Hence the NA motor. I'm glad they went with the NA route, keeps costs down and boosts reliability, while keeping options open in the future
Some good points but what cheaper car goes faster?
I can't think of one.
@@bearclaw5115 you can buy a clean low mile c5 corvettes for like 15-20k.
@@KonkrRoads i've had a couple bmw 335i before my gr86. i have a lexus is350 fsport as the daily. currently working on a awd crx with a turbo b18.
I have had my 2025 BRZ tS for a little over a week now. Nobody that has been for a ride in it thought it was slow, and that is with me keeping it under 4000 RPM since it is brand new. And the cornering is divine.
@@BIGBROTHERiswatchinU hey congrats on the new tS! Any plans for it once you hit 1000 miles?
@@KonkrRoads I plan to put an AWE Touring catback exhaust on it and maybe a splitter on the front. I am also considering getting a different set of wheels with more of an all weather tire installed. None of that really requires making it past break-in though.
I guess the only plans I have for after break-in is to drive it a little harder than I do during break-in.
I drove a Cobalt SS/SC with some mods as a daily driver for years. The GR86 drives and handles noticeably better and I don't have to worry about extra maintenance with forced induction. The whole reason I bought a GR86 2023 was because it was one of the few new affordable sports cars that still offered all the perks small tuner cars from the 2000s used to offer. If you loved the small tuner cars from the late 90s and early 2000s then this is one of the cars you want to try out. People do not realize getting 228 HP out of a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder is nothing to laugh about AND it is RWD. You can easily get near 250HP with a good header, exhaust, intake, and a E85 tune. If you want to go the turbo or supercharger route then 300HP + is easily accomplished. I do not think it is needed, but the platform is there to build on. These types of cars are a dying breed and I doubt we will see many more in the future.
All very well said, especially on the nostalgic factor. The BRZ brings back Z31 300ZX memories for me (I had three: 87, 88 Shiro, 89 all manual) and the interior even has Isuzu Impulse vibes (learned stick in this). You own any other older cars aside from the Cobalt?
Totally agree with you that our perpective on speed has gotten insane. I own a 2nd gen BRZ and its plenty fast enough for me 90% of the time. I owned a C7 Z51, which would blow the doors clean off my BRZ, and yet this car puts a much bigger smile on my face.
Only thing I'll point out is that tire tech has big one of the biggest 21st century evolutions in car performance. I'd bet, if you could put some of those classics on the same set of shoes that come on the top trim twins, those numbers might change quite a bit.
That C7 will get you to jail quickly, the BRZ will get to 60mph and feels plenty fast, safe fun.
The C7, nannies off, will kill you quickly and think nothing of it. It was an absolutely phenomenal car but, turn everything off, and you learned real fast that computers were doing a lions share of the work to make it so good.
Super good point on tire tech. To the same point, it's still quite impressive the 86/BRZ laps so quickly on 215 street tires.
I also came from a higher HP American car and agree 100%-- I had a 2016 Mustang GT performance package with a 6spd...450hp or so -- BRZ is much, much more fulfilling and fun to drive.
You do any mods to your BRZ?
No performance mods. New taillights, a Borla S Type exhaust, a mini amp and factory sub for the stereo. I also adjusted the clutch pedal slightly closer to the floor to find a more natural engagement point. Besides a winter wheel and tire set up soon to come, that's probably about all I'll do. Feels about perfect for my use case as a daily urban runabout.
To your point about fun being about far more than spec sheet numbers, the twins were not even on my radar when I initially started shopping. I had my sights set on a Mach 1. I test drove a GR86 on a whim, mostly out of boredom, as I was waiting for a Mach 1 in the spec I wanted to pop up on the market, and IMMEDIATELY fell in love. Compared to the Mach 1, it just felt special and engaging all the time, even at pedestrian speeds. Only thing I'll truly miss from the Mustang is the Tremec. That shifter is perfection.
This is it exactly. So many cars are so freaking fast. But that power is not really usable on the street if you want to stay out of trouble. It then just becomes bragging rights. Which is cool, but doesn't really do that much for you in the end.
I had one it was fun on the streets and okay on the highway.
Faster than a '96 SVT Cobra! Did not expect that.
Surprised me too when I pulled the data 🤙
After Electric cars/Tesla speed is not the priority! Handling is ......
This is a car with a perfect build and Handling right off the lot.
This is a daily legal race car.
Once you drive a GR 86 end experience the balance handling and the feel of the steering wheel.
Everything is just so tuned in.
For the first time i feel like adding to the build is a choice off the lot.
Bought my GR 86 23 with 8 miles .....I am now at 21000 miles and it has been great as a daily.
Winter >>> snow mode and snow tires this car handled great for a rear wheel drive. Better then my super girls Veloster N turbo.
Great video
Thanks, and very very well said. "Everything is just so tuned in," -- I couldn't have said it better 🤙. Any mods on the car or any plans to mod?
you deserve more subs
Hey thanks Bones 🤙. Subs are certainly hard to come by, but at least making the videos are good times! Cheers 🍻
if you put good modern tires on any of those older cars, you'll see they're much faster than on paper.
I still believe you're correct though.
I own a 2013 FRS with a widebody (don't recommend widebody btw) and an HKS Supercharger.
Have owned my 22 Brz for 3 months in Ottawa, Canada and goddam its so fun!
Hey congrats on the new ride! You going to take the BRZ in the snow?? I hear BRZ + snow is great fun 🤙
@@KonkrRoads Yup! I grew up on rear wheel drive in the snow, really looking forward to the handling and grip ill have with my blizzak tires. Its my daily drive for now, might get a winter beater though if the winters are too rough.
It is worth noting that if you DO want laptimes, it's not difficult to do so. Stick a turbo on it, half a bar of boost, making 300 horsepower easy... it is genuinely a rocket ship. Check out Misha's video to see it keep up with a modern Cayman GT4!
Super good point there. Are you considering a turbo or blower? If so, curious as to which system, thanks 🤙
@@KonkrRoads Honestly I'm probably not going to do either. Not for a while, anyway. If I did decide to do one or the other it's between a turbo's lag vs a supercharger's parasitic loss
I haven’t driven a BRZ but I figure it’s similar enough to my S2000. These cars have a “fun” amount of power and great handling. I’ve driven more powerful car but if you live in or near the mountain twisties, the BRZ, Miata, S2000 type cars are where it’s at.
100% agreed 🤙
Dude - great video. We have a GR86 and LOVE it; I'll be posting some more autocross videos, which is where I think this car really shines. Small youtubers and GR86/BRZ lovers unite!!!
@@DrivenbyOwen you have yourself a new subscriber 😎🤙. Nice AutoX info vid. Keep up the good work!
@KonkrRoads oh man you rock! Thx so much!
Its my dream car, when I get that dough I would definitely buy 86 or brz 🔥
@@Wavykatana I hope you get it soon...it says something good that your dream car is a humble twin 🍻🤙
This is all without mentioning that the cars start brand new at ~$30k, far cheaper than most of the cars listed used.
The 86/BRZ is the value buy of the decade, for sure 🤙
All of this can be summed up to tire compound no?
@@ANormalName. tire compound certainly is a factor when comparing to the older cars. BRZ vs the Ferrari Testarossa though -- I'm not sure the BRZ's Michelin 215/40 street tires alone give a 50 second win on the Nurburgring. The Ferrari's tire compound may have been antiquated, but it had some meats backed with big power. Would be an epic comparison to see: Testarossa on modern Michelins vs the BRZ
It doesn't have to be fast to be fun
All too true 🤙
switching from a V8 RS5 to 2022GR86, the 86 is absolutely amazing. The driving fun is more about hitting the G-force/handling in corners than going fast in a straight line. A straightline car is just not that exciting, 3rd gear hitting jail speed on the highway, and that's it.
That's a big delta between your former car and the 86. Awesome to hear you love the little Toyobaru! as a former 450hp Mustang guy I 100% understand 🤙
2024 GR86 MT owner here. It's the best car I've ever had. And I'm 42 years old.
It's just as fast in a straight line as a 2001 Mustang GT. Around a track, it can beat a hell of a lot more cars than you would think. It's like a poor man's Porsche.
@@d.b.s.6381 I regularly get waves from porsche owners in my red gr86 , I think they mistake me for one of them.
Nice. I, for the first time, saw another '24 GR86 in the same exact color as mine. I honked, and they saw me, and we waved. I bet that made her day.😁
Glad to hear to "wave" isn't just a Hawaii thing for 86s and BRZs. Of course, we shaka here, but same effect 🤙
@@KonkrRoads Got Shaka?
It’s just as fast as my “stock” 350z from 2005. Z had linear power throughout powerband and gr86 comes alive after 4krpm. Both were/are manual transmission
That's good data, and the Z is no slouch. You own both cars??
@@KonkrRoads I owned the z for 10 years. From 2005-2015
I like it as a naturally aspirated car but it just lacks the get-up-and-go that a turbo or supercharger would add. Thanks for the well done and thought-out video.
Do you own or have driven one?
@@charlesxchaves I have a 2022 BRZ with about 55,000 miles on it. I supercharged it this spring. I'm at around 300 wheel hp. It's just so much fun to drive as a daily. Not that it was bad in any way stock. I just wanted more giddy-up.
I can't remember if I've asked before -- did you go Harrop? Sprintex? Other?
PLEASE WHAT SUPER DID U USE PLEASE PLEASE LMAO RESPOND
@@boastfultoast It's amazing how obnoxious you low IQ FF's can be.
It's all about perspective
Very true
all the information says its 6,1 and 6,4 automatic..So where did u get 5,4? Is it your personal record?
@@johnmayer2140 5,4 is from Car & Driver magazine. They hit that time in the GR86 and BRZ when testing new, then again later on their long term BRZ. Hagerty just recently recorded a 5,6 in a GR86 with a self-diagnosed poor launch.
I have a 22 and having been checking stats on some of the muscle cars I grew up with for laughs
Nice! Any highlights??
I guarantee if you took a seasoned muscle car guy or hp fanatic…have them a brz/gr86 and let them run a deserted curvy technical mountain road with elevation change and they would not complain about hp and would enjoy the constant engagement it brings in the feels department.
I had an 05 350z manual /Chrysler crossfire manual and test drove a 370z. My 23 limited brz manual is twice as fun easily. The heavier the vehicle no matter the hp takes the feels out of the driving experience. The less the weight no matter the hp put more feels into the driving experience and this car does it extremely well.
You're right on the money. -- do anything to your Z?
@@KonkrRoads it had catback, intake spacer, intake and dyno tuned at dynasty in Kentucky. Put down 250hp and 250trq for a de engine.
You say mostly Subaru for the design , I’m not so sure. Refer to Pumphreys Up To Speed on the GT86, is he mistaken? Any way I think it was the same design team on the GR86.
I admit fault here -- "design" was a poor choice of words on my parts. Yes, Toyota did the bulk of the design, as well as conceptualizing and fighting for the 86 in the first place. Subaru had the bulk of development though, and this is why I credit Subaru for how the car drives and feels more so than Toyota.
I’ve seen lap times in GR86/BRZ reaching A90 Supra lap times during local time attacks
I believe it -- the twin is quick! 🤙
if peeps say its slow, say see me on the twisties
🍻🤙
I agree with the sentiments of this video but there is no way in hell the GR86 or BRZ stock is doing a 5.4 second 0 to 60 from a dig. For reference here is a video of the BRZ from Australia (where the car has 233 hp instead of the US's 228 hp) and the best time they could get is 6.54 to 100kph (which is 0 to 62 mph) and he has tested many cars on that exact strip of road. Does anyone have footage of this supposed 5.4 second 0 to 60? ruclips.net/video/S_TCFurnSlE/видео.html&ab_channel=DrivingEnthusiast
I don't have a C&D video, and don't know their secrets to the fast time, but what's also interesting is they achieved the 5.4 0-60 in both the GR86 and BRZ independently. The BRZ in their test finished 0.1sec faster in the quarter mile at 13.9 as opposed to the GR86's 14.0:
BRZ: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37419688/2022-subaru-brz-drive/
GR86: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37322814/2022-toyota-gr86-drive/
62 means additional shift (2nd to 3rd gear). For 60, it's only one shift and hitting redline at 60mph.
@@KonkrRoads the "secret" to an absolute best 0-60 time is to give your clutch and transmission absolute death. Launch a car like you literally stole it and do not have any concern for its longevity and it can return the absolute shortest 0-60 time.
Which is why 0-60 is pointless despite being ballyhooed all the time. In the real world, no owner is going to do that unless they're sitting on a mountain of cash to fix/replace the transmission.
I can resolve this difference for you. The 5.4 figure comes from C&D and they omit 1ft of roll-out. That equates to .3 sec reduction in 0-60 time, meaning a real time of 5.7 sec.
On the other side you are quoting some random outlet from Australia that tested to 62mph and they did it on a public road which likely does not have the grip of C&D's test track.
In reality this is a high fives car with a capable driver at the helm. With an average driver, more like low 6's.
@@bearclaw5115 also for 0-62mph, one additional shift is needed from 2nd to 3rd. For 0-60 it's not.
Bahaha that cyber truck pic is accurate
Once seen can't unsee it either...I feel like I see a dozen cyber trucks every time I drive behind a Walmart
Look up the gr86 did in the ring 7:58
Yep, saw that for sure (7:59.1 to be exact). 17x9 wheels, some racing tires, and an oil cooler was all it took (of course, the driver was a huge part). That's F87 M2 speed and beats a 996.1 GT3
Only cheeseburger people say these cars are slow
I like cheeseburgers and the BRZ.
K swapped turbo brz is way better than stock
Found this video. ruclips.net/video/5m9uw-Sdem4/видео.html 7:59 with GR86. All stock including brakes, pads, and fluids except wheels and tires, an oil cooler, and a oil pan baffle. The guy says that RTV was not an issue with this vehicle. Perhaps the newer GR86's and BRZ's have fixed the excessive RTV issue.
I could only find 1st Gen BRZ videos.
@@Dirtman150 that video is great -- a 07:59 puts the 86 with wheels, tires, and an oil cooler ahead of a F87 M2.
My 2022 Camaro LT1 6-speed was 35K MSRP. 6.2l V8, 455hp and torque, tremec 6 speed, front brembos, 20in wheels, LSD, etc all standard. New BRZ are like 30-35K which to me seems absurd. They are plenty fun but i sometimes find it hard to justify paying so much. Especially since theyve been having engine issues and its not like they get 30mpg combined and insurance is cheap.
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 I'm still unsure on how Chevrolet offered the LT1 at such a bargain price -- even removing the 2.5% tariff on the BRZ doesn't price it out to an advantage. Bottom line: I think the BRZ and 86 are perfectly priced...the LT1 was just a deal of the decade if a musclecar floats the boat. 🤙
Well Camaro is dead and lets face it, the way an enthusiast would spec it out would significantly raise the price.
How did you get that car for 35k? Used at a dealer auction?
When people ask.
I just have a car the looks fast 😏
I like that angle 🤙
It's not slow at all, I saw a GR86 almost keep pace with a stock STi.
Power to weight is a real thing, it dynos at like 231 whp.
power to weight is overrated. Its about weight/chassis/suspension and how it relates to grip Once an object is in motion, power to weight isn't a factor as much as people think. In fact you want more weight as you go faster. Thats why you stick aero bits on proper places to add grip and adjust balance. Its laughable when someone says a car wins because they are 200lbs lighter when for 0-60 application its is more likely gearing.
@@LoveLikeaHurricane That's very true too, it is a combination of factors.
I'm not sure about 231rwhp, but I've seen the videos (Hagerty's I believe?) where the BRZ overtakes an STi on their "there and back" course. Not slow for sure 🤙
I don't own one. But I gotta say, the biggest problem with the BRZ/GR86 isn't it's speed. It's the owners who feel the need to defend the car for some weird insecurity reasons. You don't see Miata owners (closest comparison) doing this nonsense. They bought the car they liked, because they like the car, end of story.
@@ghrtt7😂 Let's see the Miata carry my camera gear, Rifle etc.
"...but my car is lighter"
Oh no my man, the Miata also takes a lot of flack too. "It's a hairdresser's car" being the top criticism and "it's a toy".
@@charlesxchaves To be fair, the Miata weighs significantly less than the BRZ/GR86, so of course it less space as a consequence. That's kind of the whole point of the car. Either way, nobody buys sports car with any real expectations for storage space. That's what a daily is for.
I mean it's the most hated on car in the whole community lmao. Most of the time unwarranted as well. I can't tell you how many times I've had my car called slow, and then gave people a ride and they totally changed their mind. So really the worst part about the car is the people who constantly shit on it.
5.4 seconds 0 to 60 is not slow at all! thats pretty zippy for the pricepoint
100% 🤙
People who say it's slow must have never driven a actually slow car. Plus who actually does 0 to 60 runs regularly
Agreed on both accounts 🤙
I ran over a turtle yesterday in my 22 brz
I just had a LITERAL CALLBACK to YESTERDAY over your thumbnail.
I could hear the insides of that turtle hitting the other side of the road.
The poor thing didn't stand a chance against my 18 inch wheels going around a turn at 60mph.
I need a dash cam. I've hit raccoons and all sorts of stuff in this car and I've only owned it a year.
Confirmed: the BRZ is faster than a turtle.
Truly sad though. While squirrels have a special place reserved in hell, turtles are chill and deserve a fruitful life. 🤙
Isn't the 0-60 6.3 secs? Not 5.4?
Car & Driver cut a 5.4 second 0-60 in both the 86 and BRZ. Motortrend pulled a 5.9. Subaru and Toyota claim 6.1 for the manual transmission 🤙
@@KonkrRoads may I know the link of the Car & Driver video?
@@69ers15 I don't have a C&D video, but what's also interesting is they achieved the 5.4 0-60 in both the GR86 and BRZ independently according to the below articles. The BRZ in their test finished 0.1sec faster in the quarter mile at 13.9 as opposed to the GR86's 14.0:
BRZ: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37419688/2022-subaru-brz-drive/
GR86: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a37322814/2022-toyota-gr86-drive/
@@KonkrRoads Thank you! I wonder why Toyobaru are claiming that their car goes a sec slower in 0-60?
@@69ers15 they could be playing BMW games, in that I mean hiding real numbers to avoid competitors aiming at a precise target to beat. The twin's HP numbers seem a bit low too -- most dynos are seeing a decent amount higher. It's this, or C&D just has that good of a driver
Still sad they don't offer STI turbo variet for those people that are willing pay for more power. I have several great N/A 4 cylinders icons. Yet hate driving them daily because they have no nuts until almost redline even then... Even if they put a camry V6 in I love that engine so much low end torque
I think that if they did that, people would realize that a GR86 is better than a Supra. And Toyota won't let that happen.
Same with Subaru and the WRX. Although those two cars are very different.
@@d.b.s.6381 agree with both. Then we have the GR Corolla engine rumor
Agreed, though I'd prefer an STi with a roots style blower...perfection 🤙
The current design of the Subaru Turbo is underneath the engine to make the exhaust runners as short as possible and reduce turbo lag. Forester XT, current Outback and Ascent and Legacy GT all have this design. With the engine so low to the ground with the BRZ, there is no way they could use their current turbo design without raising the engine a significant amount which would negatively affect the Center of Gravity and of course really mess with the handling.
There are probably other turbo options from the aftermarket and I know there will be superchargers. But the Subaru design they currently use for the WRX and other vehicles like the Ascent and Outback will not work with the BRZ. I think that is why Subaru does not do it as it would be a massive expenditure for a completely different engine design that would not be used in other models.
My thoughts anyway.....
why do people keep saying that mostly subaru designed it? I know they manufacture it but Tetsuya Tada from toyota originally developed the platform, the FT86. We know that the engine has toyota's d4s system in it, the transmission and the diff are both toyota parts. Subaru doesn't make a single other rear wheel drive vehicle they would have never designed the car on their own. Not to mention toyota owns like 15 to 20 percent of subaru.
"Design" was a poor choice of words on my parts. Yes, Toyota did the bulk of the design, as well as conceptualizing and fighting for the 86 in the first place. Subaru had the bulk of development though, and this is why I credit Subaru for how the car drives and feels more so than Toyota.
7 : 59.1 at the ring very mostly stock with wheels + tyres GR86 was done by OneLapHeroes . Sub 8 baby .
An awesome lap -- shows the potential of the twin with little invested and a solid driver 🤙
2025 civic si, 0-60 : 6.6 seconds
And the Kia Forte turbo, 0-60 : 6.7 seconds
Good data 🤙
honestly the car community on platforms like tiktok are horrible, and it sucks tjat their voices are so loud because in person the car community (in my area) is for the most part way better. When i hear people hate on the gr86 i just ignore them because i know there’s know way to change their minds.
Well said 🤙
My 24' BRZ is fast enough for me and much more fun to drive than my 93' Corvette.
That says a lot -- C4 vettes are good fun. I had a targa '94 6spd at one point...gotta say I still agree with you 100% 🤙
Only people who have never driven an 86, RX8, S2k will say they are slow. Btw Kalanianaole Hwy Views. Hawaiiian!
Well said, and great eye! I love driving that area of the island. You on Oahu??
@@KonkrRoads I just a haole who likes to visit often :)
Just add boost baby!
i wanna brz so bad!😢
Do it, you won't regret it! -- unless you have a family of four and this is your only car 😉 🍻🤙
Some of the drag races with other cars have been surprising.
ruclips.net/video/52lxhZgFrG8/видео.htmlsi=kuanmI5jIghFnrht This one with the Turbo Supra especially. Although the wet pavement helped the GR86.
ruclips.net/video/sGW3LyTtqHk/видео.htmlsi=uAPE6l6VxB34Vx6e This one against the current WRX was surprising to me as well. And very satisfying! Ha!
@@Dirtman150 Great videos -- the U-track win against the WRX is so good. Seeing a GR86 take down a Stig-driven 2JZ Supra is amazing! Thanks for sharing 😎🤙
Its not 5.4 zero to sixty though?
Everything I've seen says 6.1 seconds. Still, that's as fast as a 2001 Mustang GT. (Which is a V8 muscle car).
@@d.b.s.6381 it's sort of 10 years out of date fast , for its size/weight if you know what i mean.
@@shamster7182i feel like it is, the 86 beats the new wrx from a dig and roll. My tuned 1st gen BRZ ran a 0-60 5.7 so I imagine the gr86 is a tad bit faster
6.1 according to Subaru for the manual BRZ. Car & Driver pulled the 5.4 in initial testing of the BRZ and later with their 40,000 mile long term test.
modern era of cars is actually pretty wack. the 4-cylinder mustang has a 4.5 second 0-60 and 315hp.
300+hp is basically normal now. 5 second 0-60 is family car fast. What's even going on? I feel like the average driver is now getting way more horsepower than they can competently or safely use, but that's what sells right now, but they really aren't designed to be able to use anywhere near all that power without doing the 'mustang at cars&coffee' photo op.
GRZ compares well to 90s-oughts performance cars in straightline speed, but so does a Toyoya Sequoia.
@@entropy11 interesting you brought up the 90s -- part of 86/BRZ's charm, for me, is that its driving characteristics and interior design bring me back to those late 80s and 90s coupes I grew up driving. Nostalgia with a modern skin and MUCH better chassis. Anyway, you're right vehicles these days have so much speed and power -- you have to wonder if and when there's a culmination point
Dude, the average driver doesn't even notice the light went green! People are not exploiting there cars at all.
And sports cars sell like shit these days so I don't think HP has the attraction it used to. In car tech seems more important to people now.
@@KonkrRoads It's a very 90s car and for sure it's intentional.
@@bearclaw5115 big numbers go brrrrr, and clearly they sell or Ford would have axed the Mustang by now.
Sports cars aren't selling because 1: every other car on the road is a behemoth that can't see you over its hood and 2: HP inflation and 600hp ponycars and GTs make people think they're slow.
Anyone that says is slow is absolutely insane and doesn’t know shit lol
Well said 😎🤙
As a owner of the new BRZ. The car is only fast comparing to family cars. Any modern entry level fun car will gap you. IMO the twins are just okay overall
The BRZ should definitly have come with a turbo. Its anemic in power and my grandmother's minivan can beat it.
While we're at it, the trunk should have been a hatchback instead and it should have came with 4 doors with usable rear seats and AWD as standard. They should have also raised it higher off the ground and called it a crossover for $30k.
Okay now after reading that, take a deep breath, relax, and know that I was kidding 😂
So...it should have been a WRX hatch? Seems illogical for Subaru. Out of curiosity, what do you drive??
@@JupiterxBlues got me in the first half not gonna lie XD
@@KonkrRoads modified NB2 mazda miata but I just sold it and im actually going to get the 2nd gen BRZ, used, in a few days. Lol. Sorry my original comment was supposed to be satire 😂 the amount of people complaining about power is great because it keeps the prices of used models down. But its crazy that people want ot to have "usable back seats" 😂 its a 2door guys. Comon. We all know that that back seats are just for a legal loophole and insurance reasons in various countries. Plus its a great spot for some groceries or a dog.
Update: picked up a 2023 BRZ Limited in WR Blue. Got it as a certified used model with only 5k miles on it for $26k USD and im loving it. Coming from an NB2 miata to this is a huge upgrade all around. Sure, I lose the convertible top, but I gain a lot more torque and power, a much more planted feel around corners yet still has a comfortable ride even over potholes, more comfortable seats(but still needs lumbar support), more interior space, a much quieter interior on freeways(miatas are horrible above 40mph, this one is MUCH more generous on the ears with the electronic engine noises disabled) and I can put more than 4 grocery bags in the trunk now! 😂
people just won’t stop complaining.. the gt86 was fine . people r droids. it’s driver dependent too 😂
Agreed. Dissing the 86 follows the Nickelback phenomenon. 86/BRZ is the most fun car I've had...if I put some cheap tires on I doubt there'd be any car more fun regardless of price 🤙
@ yess. it’s definitely a very underrated car, probably one of the most.
I gapped the hell out of a modded S2000 in a straight line so no it's not slow lol
Well done 🤙
gr86 fast cus i got hella tickets from the cops
LOL!! I'll play along...how many tickets so far??
I own one and it doesn’t do 0-60 in 5.4s, it’s more like 6.3 manual or 6.8 auto
Are you at higher elevation? Your numbers are higher than Toyobaru's published stats.
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5.4 to 60 is not a realistic number. Add a second to that for a real life scenario. Still not slow
Car & Driver just posted another 5.4sec 0-60 with their 40,000 mile BRZ. No videos of the run, but the claim is repeated 🤙
www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41979904/2023-subaru-brz-manual-reliability-maintenance/
300hp na is better
I don't disagree. A boxer 6 with 300hp in the BRZ would be chef's kiss. 🤙
Yes it's to slow and unreliable.
Blasphemy 🤙
Cope....
@@norevlimitr1602 if I had a sloppy-handling, dead-steering, awkward-looking modern Z I might hate on the BRZ/86 too 🤙
@@KonkrRoads I rest my case🤣
It's a driver's car, and I love them
100% -- do you have one now?
@KonkrRoads i had a 2013 FRs with some modds. I traded it in for a honda pilot because I moved to Florida and had another child on the way 4 in total and we share 1 car 😞. But I'm definitely saving so the wife and I have a weekend car and have dates nights with. My wife loves the car too.We have really good memories of just driving and getting lost for hours.