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7.62X54R VS .308 Win - How Many Paper Plates???
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I found some .410 slugs 2 1/2 inch Remingtons. I think we’d all have more fun if you use them here than if they sit in my closet for another 10 years. Let me know.
6m34s so did all the pinkos
I thought that the 54r was going to go through more plates as well. I was actually surprised at its performance.
Who_Tee_Who Do you have a video on scout rifle if you don't can you do it with Mossberg MVP Scout or Ruger Gun site both in .308
I have been entertained love your vids God bless ♥️
The 7.62x54 ammo may have been sitting in a warehouse for 76 years.
That is pretty amazing
Yeah
I agree with this thought, I have yellow tip 7.64x54's (a bit hotter) for my Mosin and at times can swear there is variations in the ammo and on one occasion even had a dud. All my ammo came from the same original sealed case, so theoretically it should all be the same, but considering age and whatever other variables.....not all act the same.
My son and I were shooting his Mosin with Chinese surplus from the early 70s. We had a dud round and hang fire in 40 rds. Smells like bad fart too.
@@marcp1180 I agree, I found a 50 year old box of unopened ammo in my grandpa's shed and pretty much every round was different. Anyway old ammo sucks.
I really appreciate how Who_Tee_Who has been out here making consistent videos during the ammo shortage on a budget. Proof you can be out here making it happen with minimal resources!
Agreed glad he does do a video everyday. I look forward to it. Glad he is able to get ammo to do so.
That’s why I really appreciate WTW
@@joshp8395 me too bro., me too! Always a good day when you have a WHO-TEE-WHO video.
You should do 3 shots each, and then take the average. The powder in some of those old surplus rounds might be clumped up and not ignite all the way, leading to weaker rounds
7.62x54 the oldest cartridge still used in military service in the world.
That’s pretty cool
@Sniper Steve
French ???? Lol
@Sniper Steve
mixed Belgian- Russian i thought
What about the 30/06 or is that not used anymore?
@@reaperhunter7297 I'm not sure if maybe another military uses it. But I do know we use 7.62×51 or the .300 WinMag when more powder for longer engagements is needed. 7.62×51 typically for designated marksman rifles and. 300 WinMag is for sniper rifles. There are more powerful cartridges for sniper rifles though
For a cartridge that has served well over 100 years I’d say the 7.62x54R still does pretty good. I love my Romanian M44 Mosin. Great video!
Whatever you do don’t go for a BBQ at WHO_TEE_WHO’s place. all the barbecue sauce will be leaking through his plates with various sized holes from .17 of a inch. all the way up to half inch holes lol
The mosin round is a .311 diameter with a less powerful powder. Higher velocity likely from the .308 plus a thinner diameter-easier on the shoulder too.
@Chris Barnes the VPER shots 7.62x54r as well. 23 inch barrel hunting/battle rifle semi auto.
Loved it great vid man! Hope you are feeling better today
Such a young and froggy lookin Who-tee-who. I like revisiting some of these old videos why you get your health back to 100%. Feel better Adam. We are right there with ya.
That Mosin is a bad case of "I wish I'd known then what I know now!"
Nah, its like a dreadnaught vs an Iowa Class one is better than the other but both will murder you.
Agreed! I thought I paid too much when I bought mine for $180. Little did I know.....
This dude using surplus ammo from the 80's not a good balanced test shooting 1 round each.
2 great calibres to compare. I really thought the Mosin would have gone further! I still think it's awesome that you upload videos every day. I try to get on the premieres, but just always have something that interrupts. Hope you're starting to feel better, and getting some sort of rest!! Cheers mate.👍👍
I really enjoy the the channel! Keep it up , love the rifle comparisons.
Thanks for watching Brian!
Two good ones here, been around a long time. Still popular calibers today. Hit hard and accurate. Good shooting and gods speed to The Who Tee Who Family 👍🇺🇸
Awesome video WHO-TEE-WHO, I would have thought the 7.62•54 would have done better! I stand corrected. I’ll have to save this one for my friend. Keep them coming WHO-TEE-WHO!
Suggestion for next time...
Mark your plates when you pull them out of the packages(100, 200, 300,etc) . Helps to save time while counting
How are you feeling these days? Hopefully you are feeling better. Love all your videos. Keep up the great work. Appreciate all the hard work you put into these videos.
Nice comparison Adam!
Always enjoy your paper plate videos…shoot I enjoy all your videos 👍😎😃
Good video. Good shots considering it looks like your glasses were fogged up. Love from NC
WTW !!! GOOD STUFF, YOUR LOOKING BETTER ? HOPE YOU YOUR FEELING BETTER BROTHER!! GOD BLESS U & YOURS !!!
You got to get yourself a mosin, bud. Your videos with these old guns are my favorite.
Mosins are fun i have an m91/30 and a m44 one of my favorites for sure
2 m44's ,m38 , m91/30 & a m91/30 hex sniper
I’m very surprised with the results. Good video! Did you use different equipment? The audio sounded much better on this one.
What a fascinating video! Modern ballistics versus old.
Never would have imagined the results. Thanks fer another great and honest video. God Bless.
Thanks for watching Scott!
If both bullets tumbled in the target media, the longer bullet would slow down faster. JMO.
On paper these rounds are very very close. I think bullet, powder speed, & case pressure (charge or COL) helped make the difference here giving the mighty .308 the win. 👍Very good test! Would like to see the 7.62x54 vs 30-06 if you haven't done it yet.
Excellent video their hooty-hoo Keep On Keepin On and don't give up
I have been subscribed for many years
This is a video I can totally get behind! Love 7.62x54r and .308! I looooove Mosins!
Hey Cranky
Very surprising. Love the content bro
Who-Tee-Who only makes REALLY FUN videos! 👍
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Where did you get the idea of the stack of plates/ the solo cup snake? My guess is always wrong, with a thin plate you'd think it would go through more. But it's neat to see the comparisons, keep them up!!!!
I think it might've been down to surface area being larger, leading to more drag, causing it to stop sooner, but that's an assumption without knowing the average speed of each round from each rifle or their bullet weights + muzzle energy to say if thats really the case
Great video! I know nothing about guns but it seems like there could be some other factors beyond fire power involved in the outcome of this comparison 🙂 Still enjoyed the video a whole lot.
Sometimes results can be surprising but I am going to guess that the .308 penetrates further because the 7.62x54R hits a little harder so it will disperse more energy quicker. Just a small .22 lr or .22 short is better for shooting into water because the higher power calibers have so much power that the impact dismantles the bullet. Of course, sometimes that impact idea is not so because there is the balance of peak performance vs under performance / over performance of the round diameter/weight...
...And the fact that I have seen you make similar videos and it seemed the .308 was cutting cleaner and further than 30-06; because 30-06 hits a little harder than .308 (or 7.62x51). Just a guess,
I think you need to a video pinning these four calibers against each other into various targets (paper plates, gel, watermelon, trees and steel): .308/7.62x51 vs 7.62x54 vs 30-06 vs .300 win-mag. And if you want you can add 30-30, 7.62x39 and .223 (5.56) for comparisons because I think these are everyone's ideal rifle calibers for comparing against each other.
What the hell, make an entire video series and add .22, .270, .5 creedmoor and .243 lol. That will make for several good videos.
Being right all the time is over rated. Take it from someone who is right all the time!😄
Dude you are awesome!!
I have both. Knew the .308 would go through more. Hell of a round and why it's still used in many hunting situations.
Tumbled ..test ballistic gel instead..throw out the keyhole ones..JFYI...my Sig Sauer 22lr rifle is also a fine weapon.. for smaller jobs
Left is 7.62 x 54 Mosin round actually .311 and the right is the .308 which is Winchesters version of the 7.62 x 21 Nato round, similar ballistics with comparible projectile weights
HEY👋WTW!!! I thought I had subscribed the other day but now I am!!! AWESOME VID my friend, could ya do another maybe with a Chronograph jus to see what difference is in ballistics? Thanks brother! 👍👍
Appreciate you watching! Good idea
Great video, thanks.
HTH, who's trolling your channel!
That really surprised me I would have swore it would have been the other way round great video 👌
Surprised me
What's not to like about shooting paper plates! This is why I don't gamble. I would have bet the farm the mosin would have gone through more plates...
Good video WTW
I honestly thought it would have been more even, but I missed bullet types and weights. Sorry. Hope you are doing better. Thanks for the video, always entertaining. Godspeed
Crazy. Not what I expected
Wow I thought the 54r would win this for sure. However I think the results would be different with proper hard ball ammo in that mosin.
Thanks for the video brother. I love the paper plate tests. Who tee who! 👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻
Cool shoot !!
Glad you're felling better
Little bit better every day
Very interesting results, I would've thought the mosin would've gone further, maybe need to try using regular hunting ammo in the 308 with similar grain projectiles
Surprising results.. Wouldn't want to get hit by either even with my Dixie plate vest..!
I'm upgrading my Dixie Plate armor to 700 plates myself after watching this vid... haha
I can't get your theme song out of my head.
Sleep.
No notification.
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Think got on replay.
But not live.
Oh well.
But u tube is messing woth me bad.
Thanks for video.
Good video!
Just an observation (or two...). I do like the simplicity of the paper plates and have been somewhat surprised by the amount of resistance that they can often provide against a number of the projectiles that you have tested. In general when your results involved varying degrees of tumbling and/or deformation the results are not usually going to be very conclusive. Typically, pointed cup and core fmj's (even with steel cores, if they are also pointed... dependent upon their taper) will also tumble more often than not...and as a result will normally undergo a certain degree of destabilization with the end result being the undermining of what you are looking to achieve. Generally, the best way to arrive at a valid comparison between calibers, is to try and utilize robust round-nose fmj's from the same manufacturer with close to the same sectional densities when possible and load them to their respective MAP's. This has as a consequence... that the load development must be tailored to your rifle. There is no way that I know of, to optimize a load for your rifle without using your rifle... the only alternative being factory ammunition which pretty much doesn't exist in other than dangerous game loadings. The best source I know of for a range of calibers and bullet weights (i.e.- sectional densities) is Woodleigh bullets in Australia (check with Huntington on the west coast as they seem to be one of the best connected U.S. companies with Woodleigh). I know that this may be a bit more complicated than you may be interested in getting into... but it would probably allow for a more accurate, or apples to apples, comparison.
Two quick points. I read all the comments that had been posted to date (6/30/21) end several commentors did mention some valid points with regard to getting chronograph data that would help to rule out whether the surplus ammunition might have been adversely affected by age, storage condition...et sl.,. If you were inclined to just stick to available factory or mil-surplus sources. Sorry for the length... and if I can be of any help...or you need a place to hunt hogs, in FL, leave a comment.
Glad you are feeling better and thanks for being there!
Thanks WTW I'd like to get one of those Rugers maybe in 6.5creedmore anyway hope your feeling better and as always thanks for another fun video 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
you took the beard off lol nice video
I’m way off today better luck with the next one. Tell then be safe and have fun.
Surprised you had to borrow a Mosin. Everyone should own one
Get well soon wtw! Prayers headed your way
Great video. I inherited a Mosin a year ago. I’m yet to shoot it.
I have a Ruger American Rifle in 308 win. Love it. Thanks for sharing
RUclips community please give me your feedback comrades,This most likely happened due to the tumbling effect of the Russian 762x54 which in battlefield scenarios the effectiveness for gruesome damage to organs and body parts that the mosin nagant will cause..
Both bullets obviously tumbled as can be seen from the flattened-from-the-side look, and Mosin's seems to be flatter.
Long rifle rounds do that every time, even in 7.62x39, you really don't need SP or JHP for rifles if a target is big enough that the bullet has the time to tumble.
Short and wide pistol bullets, like in 380, 9 Mak, 40S&W etc better be expanding though as they are not much bigger from the side than from the front.
nice I wondered about that. I like the 54r round. mostly because its cheap. the gun was cheap and even though it's a plain old infantry rifle, it's one of the most accurate rifles I've ever had. when I saw your arc angel rig I was surprised how awful it was. I had considered getting one then settled on a more traditional composite stock. at the time those old guns were cheap and common mine was nothing special so if I ruin it in the process I figured no biggie.
Could the heat/friction and the compression on the stack of plates from the first round punching through the plates alter the second shot, regardless of the caliber? Or maybe different velocities?
Good question!
The bullets obviously tumbled, so the one which tumbled earlier dumped the energy earlier. Contrary to popular belief, long rifle bullets don't need to expand (be SP or HP), tumbling does the trick.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 I agree with both things you said. I still wonder if the first impact may have slightly hardened the target.
@@ryanb6895 That could be the case. But I think how early it started to tumble matters more (and slightly compressed stack might have affected it).
I also wonder, if the bullet is so flat that it is basically all jacket, where the lead from inside of it go?
@@PaulVerhoeven2 I believe you are absolutely correct. Possibly cheap or shoddy manufacturing?
Cool video hey to Paul Jr.
I think using a newer ammo like Golden Bear or Winchester who has one loading, instead of surplus would have yielded a very different result. There are also at least 4 different barrel lengths for the Mosin, I'm curious which one was used. It's still a great video as always.
There are so many different loadings for both of those cartridges... any given comparison could have completely different results. Fun to test it though!
both great rounds, i think the mosin gonna get it by a bit, damn thing has like a 28inch barrel dont it? BUT, its hard to beat a 308 for a great all around round.
i guessed wrong, also - the 7,62r uses a heavier bullet, at somewhat slower vels.. i did NOT expect their to be a meaningful difference .. thanks for the video
I love my mosin! Sure it's obviously not the best. But it's a beast! And ammo is scarce. Shoots alot better with the bayonet attached. Gets pretty hot after 40+ rounds
How would these calibers compare with 1903 Springfield with M1Ball (GI 30-06) and M14 .308 military?
Find some one to reload both calibers. Then you have one more known fact
Great test fooled me too!!
great video, i'd bet for a tie because despite higher volume of 7.62X54 ballistics are pretty similar to 7.62X51 and the civilian 308 loads should be a little stronger
Do you have a video on scout rifle in .308..if you don't can you do it with Mossberg MVP Scout rifle.
Love the 308 , that's what I shoot in my favorite deer rifle a browning x bolt hunter. Obviously I don't shoot fmjs but I do love the round for deer. Love the old Mosin though it's neat looking. 👍👍
The jacket for the 64R seems to be thinner, so it starts to turn in the plates, it got more "mashed", it looked that it was lighter after, it lost more lead, and probably was going sideways for a longer distance, disposing more energy.
For the Mosin Nagant the ammo is probably 70 years old, tray nex time new ammo and both with steel core and than see the different....
Did you already do 7mm-08 vs 308 paper plates comparison?
Love to see the 30 06 vs 308 in the same comparison.
The mosin theoretically should have went a little farther. It’s got slightly more velocity and energy than a typical 308 round. The ammo may have been old and inconsistent or it may have dumped all its energy faster due to the higher velocity.
This dudes tests suck watch him compare 7.62x54r with 303 british he looses track of each bullet hole. That's why he switched up on this video and did the plate count after each shot. he should use newer 54R Ammo. i feed my VPER with reloads and save the Surplus cause the Salt residue it leaves behind.
Love the fog on the safety glasses
The Moisin is an old Battle Rifle that I would take in a SHTF situation. Tough, easy to clean , will take down anything on 4 and 2 legs. I have a M91/59 so I don’t have that mile long barrel.
Repeat test with chrono set up at entry of plates....
Seem to remember 54r little less fps than 3006 of its time...contemporary ?
Since .308 just about matches 3006 .
Thats why I thought it would outshine the 54r...
Have you heard of a Ruger XG1 308, I guess they never made production. Somehow there are some out there. They are from mid 1980's
WOW 😮 That really surprised me too. What was the weight of the bullet in the Mosin? Another awesome video bro.
Hmm don't remember the weight
Military ammo vs Winchester. Cool vid
Quick! Serve the potato salad. Wtw is sizing up the paper plates!!😳😳👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🤣😂
I'm surprised too!!🤔🤔
Another Great and informative video WTW, THANKS!
No “This is going to be a really fun video?
If you mark the plates its easier to count them.
Nice video as always 👍
Thanks for watching Anton
Mosin 174 grains and more bering surface for friction to stop the 308 is 150 grains and slight smaller diameter. Roughly the same amount of powder.
I got your back W.T.W...
50GI vs 45ACP vs 10mm vs 9mmDillon vs 7.5 FK.
Maybe not all at once ofcourse. But these guys have the same approx OAL
Great video WTW
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My Mosin Nagant is STILL a BAD ASS gets my vote...it's FROM Big 5 in the 90's.....
I am upgrading the original stock with the Archangel...this bolt action bad ASS is my fave.........
Have you ever considers putting the 8mm Mauser against the Nagant? Good old fashion ww2 showdown
What was the grain weight on each?
The Moisin how many grains for the bullet?
First of all what was the weight of EACH bullet, and a chronograph for the velocity would be very helpful to determine the power of each.
the x54r rounds are kinda built to tumble, they are balanced weird cause they are so long. My 6.5 has these kinds of ballistics in paper and gel as well.
Basically every spitzer type bullet does this in soft media.
Both nice rifles