WHY are SO many mix engineers moving away from AVID PROTOOLS??
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Why I FINALLY left AVID PROTOOLS for Studio One
In this video we discuss why pro tools is the industry standard in the audio community and why I've finally dove into the pro tools vs studio oe debate after 15 years.
My name is Paul Third and I am a Scottish youtuber / audio engineer / mixing engineer / audio geek. I mostly cover audio engineering related content ranging from audio plugin shootouts / plugin comparisons (acustica audio plugins, universal audio etc etc) to actual analog vs digital / gear vs plugins plugin tests via access analog and mix analog. I even include ddmf plugindoctor tutorials in my plugin reviews so you can be your very own plugin tester and experiment and understand whats actually going on under the hood. I also discuss digital music distribution from time to time and like to give my viewpoint on online music distributors such as onerpm and distrokid.
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0:00 intro
0:35 why is protools the industry standard daw for audio?
2:10 drag and drop and added functionality in studio one
3:14 is pro tools the most stable daw out there?
4:17 why i hate ilok
5:29 studio one plugin features incl plugin macros & splitter
7:07 does studio one have better cpu than protools?
8:11 is protools worse for the creative?
9:19 why studio one is better for gain staging in the daw
10:05 why is pro tools so expensive?????
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Few extra things id like to mention as I edited this into oblivion and took out things which are perhaps a bit too harsh.
1. Protools doesn't accurately commit or record . It's pretty pedantic as the nulls are about -80/85 RMS but studio one bounces with plugins perfectly. Full nulls.
2. I use doctor a lot for analysis which is vst only which means I needed to install AAX and vst of plugins which annoyed me as I had 2 completely seperate locations when I needed to move plugins and tbh id just rather work with one format which doesnt rely on metaplugin to use some plugins.
3. I wanted the hardware integration but didn't want to spend half a mortgage so studio one was a no brainer as now I've got the revelator io24 for real-time dsp and I'm still trying to persuade presonus to send me the fader port 🤣 there's a lot of integration but nowhere near the price of avid.
4. I actually prefer the stock studio one plugins to protools, especially the fat channel.. And the console stuff is really good as well.
5. Protools tutorials are like scraping teeth off a pavement where Gregor with studio one is the best hands down for daw tutorials in my opinion. He makes me want to learn more due to his approach and personality.
And for anybody asking why not reaper... I just can't be arsed. Worral, Wytse, hop pole already do the reaper stuff and for whatever reason I just can't stand the look of it... I know.. I know but I'm a fickle little shit at times 🤣 plus I now have a relationship with presonus which is a big thing for me as it makes me feel like I can get shit sorted if need be. I think it's very important to have a good relationship with your daw developers.
And yeah that's what isn't in the video 🤓
Come say Hi in the Sphere community if you're in there.
I’m interested in point 1. It’s something I’ve never tested myself (and there’s an element of if the record sounds fine who cares), but worth being aware of
Just admit my brother pro tools was just reaching deeper in your pocket until you had enough, i am just waiting for you to join reaper even though i don't know why you're scared because the only problem with reaper is beat making.
Gregor and joe gilder is the best out there. Great videos. I still learn small nifty features and i have been a user since v2!
I cant seem to get anything done in reaper. Tried so many times. It’s just too ugly to look at to be able to concentrate on work! Haha.
Fat channel is nothing but a digital strip with skins. Sorry. Total snake oil. It used to have harmonics and such, at least in the daw version. Never tried the console dsp version. They removed them in v4 sometime and pretended it was never there to begin with. That ”state space modelling down to component level” or what ever they (used to?) write is on par with KIT. But other than that studio one is fantastic. I love their analog delay. :)
It's not scared, I just don't like it really haha nobody knows me well enough to know that when I start to feel pushed or somethings expected of me I normally do the opposite haha
Theres a few things I disagree with when it comes to reaper and I tried it and it just wasn't for me. Just didn't feel right and studio one was always the better option for me on many levels.
Hardware integration, less politics online to deal with, better tutorials (in my opinion) and I wanted to have a relationship with my daw developer as well. I reached out to them, had a meeting and I knew I had direct contacts that were on the same page which is a big deal for me.
Plus, the engineers I work with closely use studio one and I always felt a bit out the loop as they could do things I couldn't. Theres just many personal factors that work for me with studio one.
I never liked Pro Tools, not because of the software itself but because they have always been abusive with their business practices. I only used it because it was forced upon engineers by the industry to share sessions with artists. First that blue Digidesign interface, then ilok. Studio One 5 is amazing. All they're missing is spatial audio routing which is probably on the way.
I hated using avid mboxes back in the day but had to cause the college was avid run haha
I feel for some studios forced to do protools cause when shit goes wrong it's pretty hard to get a quick fix as they are so heavily integrated
A studio close to me are moving away from avid as the digi converters and drivers are playing up and avid are apparently as much use as a chocolate teapot. Said its been issues for at least 2 years and they were just waiting for the m1's to finally move
What is spatial audio routing?
@@ELLIOT8209 I'm guessing things like Dolby 5.1 and Atmos (more than a 2-audio-signals per master bus) support.
Tried a bunch of different dawd until i stumbled upon studio one. Loved it immediately and never looked back since.
@@TakeHit0 everything just makes sense in studio one.
I was never going to switch from Pro Tools. And then, one day I did. It was an accident. I decided to mix a song in Reaper, just to see what it would be like. Earlier brief Reaper experiences were too short for me to notice the strengths of the software, plus low price and the looks were deceiving. But one week turned out to be enough for me to surprise myself that I would be much more efficient mixing in Reaper. I've been mixing for a living for around 20 years now. Last 3 years and a half I did it in Reaper, after many years of owning Pro Tools HD rigs. I tried Studio One and I saw great potential in it, so I totally understand the switch you made.
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Welcome Paul, Been on studio one for a good 10 years roughly.. everytime I go back to try another another DAW a try to see how they have progressed, it always feels like a step back compared to studio one. feels like it gets out of the way of creativity and has some nice management features.
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@@PaulThird A little tip I figured out over time to organise your plugins.. in the browser use the "folder for organisation, then custom create folders for example A1 - ACUSTICA, A2 - ARTURIA up to A9.. then B1 to B9 etc etc... great way to keep your most used plugs near the top.
Another thing I started doing is any and all presets for plugins I save at the studio one level. never save presets with the instrument itself. That way when restoring your system, any and everything you ever made comes right back as soon as you point studio one to the master folder.
The one thing that keeps me in Logic (and maybe this is dumb), is purely aesthetic. Studio One just looks and feels cluttered to me. There's too much "stuff" on screen. Unintuitive icons all over (to me, admittedly not practiced with it). If they could update the UI to be a little cleaner, I'd be in.
@@confectionarysound Each to their own of course, but I think that could mostly come down to just getting acquainted with the software and making it your own. For me I have some of the panels closed since I have setup my macros and special key bindings to be bound to my stream decks. But honestly even without that, I find that studio one has useful tools and features up front that you will use for the most part. Its hard to specify exactly what it is, but the way studio one all comes together when it all “clicks” really helps processes flow with the creativity rather than hinder it. I also have to admit that I do run and ultra wide monitor with a 65” 4k tv above which helps me have less clutter on one screen but everything I need out in front nicely organised.
If you ever do feel the need to hop to something else for any given reason, Id definitely recommend giving S1 a good dedicated test run.
@@confectionarysound No you're just not inclined bro... Studio One is the easiest DAW to use.. PERIOD
Great to have you join the team Paul, I love the mix engine FX's in studio one to add coloration to tracks or buses(you can even use softube tape with it) specially with the crosstalk section. They've also got a lot of very interesting instructional videos posted regularly on RUclips
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Studio one is definitely a very solid program, it’s very quick, responsive, customizable, very good cpu usage and system optimized.
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Like everyone else in this thread, I’ve been using Studio One for years. I started on version 3. Not many people have mentioned, but there is also Studio One Prime and Artist which are super accessible price-wise. It was awesome to learn mixing on a free DAW. While there are other free ones, I appreciate having the tiered options. I really hope S1 becomes industry standard, I feel like we’re only a few versions away from that reality.
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That can't happen until post houses start using it. Avid has specific servers over which both ProTools and Media Composer function in large production houses. Also, the latest PT update now lets Media Composer export directly to PT sessions, so that type of integration is getting tighter and tighter. I'm sure Studio One is fine, but the individual user is not the defining factor behind this, it's a byproduct. If, for some reason, PT "stops" being the standard, there won't be a new standard, DAW's will just become even more of a free-for-all. Just a somewhat-educated guess.
Another cool feature is the "MixFX engine". You can buy for really cheap MixFx engines to change the sonic characteristics "summing" all of that of a mixing console. CTC you can have a classic Neve or EMI, Retro Mix Classics gives you the "Brit console" for any kind of SSL flavor you want from the 4000s to the 9000s and the Duality, The Alpine Desk which is an API console, and the Portastudio so you can have that old cheap tape multitrack recorder sound in the whole session. They replicate the harmonics, the Desk curves in terms if you push things hard if that curves off a bit of high or low like the actual consoles did, and the "crosstalk". Sounds legit to me. I made mixes with Brainworx plugins, and the Lindell ones, then used them in conjunction with the Studio One mixfx engines corresponding to the console I was wanting to emulate, and its audio gold. Dead ringer for the actual console in my opinion. You are going to love that! I guarantee it. Would love to see a video from you about that, it is one of the best features Studio One has in my opinion. :)
I like it on drum bus 🤓
So basically they ripped off Slate Digital VCC? Sounds like a better/faster implementation, regardless.
Back in January I switched from PT to S1 after 17 years. Never looked back and I'm happy as a clam with S1. With that said, I still do all of my production in FL, but I record and mix in S1.
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It seems Studio One and Reaper are miles ahead in value/cost, constant updates, improvements, install size and general usability. automate everything, control everything in midi cc, whatever
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Studio one isn't even M1 native.... so not so updated ....
@@JamesWilliam70 S1 is since version 5.something M1 Native, you were probably not updated to version 5
Welcome to the family Paul! I switched from Pro Tools (after 20 years) to Studio One two years ago after trialling everything. I have Presonus Sphere which means for about £4 a week you get Studio One Pro, Fat Channel, all the software including Notation, all the instruments, sample packs, a superb built-in Console emulation and of course free updates. It has to be one of the biggest no-brainers in music production. The ONLY thing I miss from Studio One is a scrub tool, I have requested this from Presonus so I live in hope. 😎 P.S. Why don't you do some videos showing your experience of changing to Studio One showing some of the features you've just spoken about, I think it would be cool and popular.
Thinking about it but I just need more time. I have a list on my phone with stuff I want to try haha
By a scrub tool you mean you want it to granularize and play back as you scrub (move) around the timeline using a controller wheel?
I don't know about all that, but I do want to know why my RUclips apps keep getting closed captioning turned on.
I keep turning it off and the app keeps turning them back on!
As for the video, Pro tools is still the standard for the same reason Facebook is still used by people who have been censored by them. People do not like change.
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Great video as always Paul but I have a pro tools template where I have master faders as safety net going into my final auxes but I have not been able to recreate this in studio one. Master fader in studio one do not work like pro tools'. Any thoughts?
In studio one you just highlight the tracks right click and select "create bus for tracks". You can have as much routing as you want.
I prefer studio ones master channel cause its split into insert (pre fader) and post fader which is great for when I automate the whole track and it goes to the limiter on the post fader which reacts to the mix automation
Glad you joined the studio one community it’s the best! GREGOR IS AWESOME !
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I went over to Studio one just as Version 3 was released. Used it once - just one session - and was instantly converted. It just works, easily, intuitively, musically. I've had maybe 3 technical issues with integrating peripherals and each issue was sorted out quickly and effectively. Presonus customer service is superb. I appreciate elegance in design and functionality and Presonus is, in my experience, brilliantly successful. I have two Presonus interfaces, some studio monitors and the Atom SQ controller and along with Studio One and the ever improving community it's a fantastic example of intelligent and effective integration. Using any of these things always gives me great joy. I hope you get the opportunity to enjoy this for yourself.
I really like the revelator io24 🤓
Welcome to the club !! I started using studio one 7 years ago and haven’t looked back
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Do NoiseAsh plugins work on your Studio One? They always cause crashes on mine. Presonus and NoiseAsh couldn't figure it out.
Cubase is the one for me. Integrated vocalign + Melodyne. Also the export options (job cue) is so useful. Not to mention the control room feature where you can have inserts to monitor through that stay in every session
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ARA is there in Studio One for Melodyne.
@@foljs5858 same with cubase
@@foljs5858 incorrect, you can use the actual melodyne within cubase! You are right in saying Cubase has its own version but you can in fact use the official licensed version as an extension in cubase
Studio One was the first to implement ARA with melodyne. Melodyne and Vocalign are integrated into Studio One. Also Studio one has a Listen bus feature, which is the same as Cubases control room function.
I was a long-time Logic user, and decided to look around because of a couple of issues. I auditioned about ten DAWs, and , yep, went with Studio One. Especially because I'm not doing EDM or whatever with lots of loops, I just needed a simple straightforward studio in a box. Studio One fits that bill perfectly. Don't need the store stuff or the cloud, but they have their act together and seem to be very dedicated people.
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Thanks so much! So helpful!
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I am just starting out doing my own production in a home studio. The Scarlett Interface came with a 3 month trial to PT artist. Since I am just starting I'm considering going all in and learning pro tools. I do like it a d it makes sense of course I don't have anything to compare it to. Do you think it would be wise in the long run to learn pt since it it used by most pro studios?
If it was that crucial to success I wouldn't have moved
You'll enjoy S1 mate. I used most DAW's and S1 seemed to have the best of all worlds. They all do the job but how it supports you in the creative process is totally different ball game. S1 speeded my workflow and I don't get frustrated as much when inspiration strikes and you need to get it down. Hope you enjoy it!
I know I will enjoy it. I have a very set way I want to work and it just does it for me. A week after using protools I was like nah...i can't be arsed even loading protools 🤣
ProTools was always exclusive and expensive beginning decades ago....I began with Cool Edit Pro while on Pc I think......then switched to Mac and Logic...very happy with Logic. Thanks for the video....will check out Sound One at some point. Chord finder sounds useful.
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Love your new song: Waiting
I'm already looking forward to you're next tune.
All the best Paul
Appreciate it 🤜🤛
I've been trying to make the switch to Studio One from Protools but I'm fighting crashes with Studio One. They've been great with support but I have yet to find exactly what the issue is so I have to stay in Protools. Have you seen this problem or have any idea what would cause it to constantly crash?
Only crash I get if its due to a specific plugin. Metaplugin is the only plugin I get issues with
Yes, Studio One is a good choice. I also like the workflow in Live and Bitwig for some tasks. FL has some great stuff like Patcher, Sytrus and Harmor. As a retired software developer of 35 years, I love Reaper. There are so many options and different languages for automation and plugin creation, I can spend all day improving the workflow and producing nothing!
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haha yeah being a software developer it's a trap sometimes! you can end up making max4live devices instead of music haha. RIP Pro Tools
@@henriquematias1986 Ha, I had a career of C/C++ so I want to be left alone with the wonderful rust compiler and not be tempted in struggling with juce or creating VCV Rack modules.
There you have it. Reaper = a DAW construction kit. If you want to make DAWs work how you want, choose it. Me I want a DAW that is like a pickup truck. Everything is already on it, and it's loaded with fuel and clean oil and is all ready to make songs.
@@WarrenPostma Exactly. I'm still a reaper fanboy 😄 Another big timewaster is sound design in UVI Falcon. So many options and tweaks! Or Pure Data or VCV Rack. I don't care though, it's just a fun hobby.
A great video. I switched from Digital Performer, after 18 years, to Studio One, 2 years ago and not looked back yet. I just really like how Studio One helps me be creative. As someone who works in the software development industry, I get upset at scruffy and clunky UX; software is meant to assist the user, not frustrate them.
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I can't make S1 crossfade smoothly no matter what. With Reaper it just works. Idk...any suggestions
Cubase or S1 for mixing?
I'm on Reaper myself, but if I weren't I'd be on Studio One for sure! I see why you made the choice, especially considering the pretty factor, although Reaper also has delicious themes to choose from, it doesn't take the place of overall design of the entire UI/UX. Congrats on your changeover, I hope it yields you many happy sessions!
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I don't know about Studio One but Reaper is mind blowing interns of versatility and customization. Further more, if you are working to picture it totally blows everything else out of the water, Heck you could edit video in there!, Do post production sound design and mixing, and produce videogame sound.. it's crazy
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Check out Marcus Huyskens video playlist on coming from ProTools to StudioOne: ruclips.net/p/PL-FHRjnU1YxTEtJawQy34XIiEB95UrH-M
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Glad to have you aboard! ♥
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I used protools for 17 years. I just switched to studio one 5 and I’m loving it I don’t regret it! Pro Tools was a headache 🤕 understanding my new workflow was easy and fast. I’m breezing through sessions now. The only thing I miss about pro tools is “Verifi” plugin that slows down things… other than that I’m great
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I've tried nearly every DAW and why I chose Studio One is because of the workflow and its stability. The only areas I hope they improve is getting similar CPU efficiency to Reaper and getting more video integration for seamless editing. Besides that, I am delighted with Studio One. I tried Reaper and as you said,it feels a little DIY. Once I feel like I'm focusing on the technology more than actually just creating and editing music then I don't think I'm being efficient. Lovely CPU management, but there is a serious learning curve
Yeah totally. Nobody can say reaper is a bad daw, it just has a certain mindset that goes with it and it's whether that's for you or it isn't
@@PaulThird yup, tried it a few times, it's too menu driven to the point of being overwhelming
@@stupidusername38 No it's not really. Have you heard of Reapers custom toolbars? Of creating your own scripts or macro commands that can all be connected to one single button? The thing is, Reaper can be the easiest, quickest and most personalised DAW in the world. You just have to set it up the way you need it.
@@Mansardian Reaper has a steeper learning curve but when you know what you're doing it will work in pretty much whatever way you want it to. Plus it can look however you want it to as well for all the people saying it's ugly. I get why you may not want to put in all that work to learn your DAW though, especially if you're already busy
@@wannenburgwannenburg3695 Concerning the learning curve you are right, I've been using Reaper since v3 and yet I'm surprised by features I haven't discovered before, not to mention all the new, added features. I LOVE the rather new normalize-function with selectable measurements. (LUFS, RMS, PEAK and to which level)...gain staging your whole session made easy.
The themes are a strange thing, I tried so many but always came back to the default one. It's got something calm, clear about it.
What about the analog emulations inside Studio One? Are they any god? (FetComp, VintageEq)
Not realistic from a saturation point of view, mostly low order harmonics or none at all but the compression envelopes seem close. I'm tracking using some via the revelator io24 dsp and it's definitely doing the job
Welcome aboard, Paul. I love Studio One. (From a Dunoon ExPat now living in America :)
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I've just recently returned from making all my music on iPad using Cubasis, which I loved. But returning to PC "the big box" I took up again with Cakewalk, as I used to be a Sonar user. I like it because it's free! And it didn't take me too long to get used to the non-touch interface. But after watching this video I'm going to give Studio One a look. Cakewalk has a very busy interface, and although everything is easy enough, I think it's important to try new things.
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Congratulations. Studio One was the runner up for me when I switched to a new DAW after a decade using Mixcraft. I ended up choosing Reaper.
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I used ProTools for a long time (2004-2020). From LE to HD, from version 7 to 2020.11. After it went subscription only I went to Studio One and it has been working really well for me. I still have ProTools installed if I ever need it - but only used it to play some old sessions.
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You have to check the Fat Channel Collection bundle that comes with Sphere membership. A review will be very well recieved.
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I went from Samplitude to Studio One to Reaper. We'll meet there in a couple of years, because that's just the logical evolution: Reaper is Studio One on steroids, without the limitations of Studio One :)
Nope. This will be me. Tried reaper, didn't like it and there are various reasons why it's not right for me 🤓
Agree. Once you put in the hours, reaper reveals itself to be the best. If you don’t take the time to learn it, you’ll never know.
REAPER all the way.
I've started doing trailer music and thought about mixing in Protools so I could share my sessions. Took me a half hour to go back to Reaper. PT feels like Im going backwards and the short keys don't make sense where in Reaper I didn't even have to learn them, they were just so logically assigned.
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Well done Paul, very exciting! Although I would have preferred you joining us on the dark side (Reaper). All the best!
Haha.. I knew I dissatisfied a lot of people with that decision 🤣
Reason is my DAW, when I choose a track in the sequencer I see all plugins I have on the channel with all controls instant. No clicking the EQ plugin to bring it up, no clicking the compressor to bring the controls up and I do not have to close the plugins either. This saves me lots of time and gives a huge advantage when you do complex connections in Reason as you can connect audio and control singals (CV). Sound design is a pure joy to make in Reason.
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Avid is the main problem. Pro tools came from the need to improve workflow from tape and let studios adapt to advancing workflows at a ‘Pro’ level. I have worked on sessions using pro tools 7.4 and it’s actually an amazing bit of kit with the full card system installed when it’s used AS INTENDED.
HOWEVER Avid have fucked it so badly over the last 10-15 years however and have never bothered to respond to the advancements from competitors! Pro tools without the cards simply does not work!
S1 on the other hand is an incredible piece of kit. Does everything I want and NEVER crashes and hardly ever complains. Constant new features and abilities to buy more time back through better workflows etc AMAZING!
Fuck avid and ther pro tools I spent 10 years working with it and regret every second. WELCOME TO THE FAMILY
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Workflow and crashing are huge. I don't think avid understand this.
And then their minimum requirements kept going up and up well d a w's like reaper stayed around the same.
I think I can still use a laptop computer from the year 2007 and the newest version of reaper will still work on it. Now we'll all plugins function well? No. But the ones that use very little CPU will!
And sometimes all I need reaper for is as a recording device. I don't need all of the flashy stuff to record multi track. So avid is really missing the plot.
I've heard good things about studio one. Inwould have looked into it but I got lost in Reaper and realized its capabilities and now I'm using Reaper. Whatever works for the workflow is best for you
Absolutely. 100% 👌
Reaper is fire too that’s my #2
Reaper thus far has dusted S1, Harrison MB32, PT, Logic and the others for my use.
It really is incredible to see how long an anti-consumer DAW has maintained market share.
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I've been using FL since version 3. I just finally bought it a couple years ago. So, when I got a Pre-Sonus interface, and it came with a Studio One (lite?) I didn't want to take the time to learn something new. But, I have heard that it can do things that are useful; and harder to get done in FL. So, can you recommend a good place to learn the DAW's features? It didn't seem as easy to use as people were saying to me. But these people might have already been used to Pro Tools, or some other DAW that had more similarities? Just a thought, but have you seen anybody explaining the Studio One DAW that switched from FL Studio? Thanks for the info, man!
Go to presonus YT page and check out all of Gregors tutorials. He's the best
Good decision, BUT: There are some downsides in S1 too. E.g. me I want the mixer window not too big, because I want to see at least two or three tracks of the arrangement above the mixer, so I do almost everything in the inspector view. Now if you create a bus, S1 does not show it in the inspector view, you first have to right click the bus, volume automation. Totally unnecessary! Sometimes you forget that, you drag and drop plugins into the inspector window and ask yourself after ten minutes of processing why it still sounds the same, well its because you did process the last channel that you had open in the inspector view. I would really like to have been at that team meeting where they decided that!
If you record loopwise you will have problems with the automatic crossfades. You will have a little offset into the next event, you have to get rid of that manually, the automatic crossfades cant be deactivated. this causes terrible mess all the time. I asked the support, there aint no solution for it. To me, recording a lot of instruments into loops, this is a permanent disaster.
The splitter-tool is very nice, but: after two years in S1 I hardly use it anymore, because it takes a little time and there are almost always shorter ways to get to the goal.
But still I have to say, your arguments are absolutely right, workflow-wise S1 is probably the best DAW out there.
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You can reduce the size of the channels in the mixer.
The splitter needs a bypass button for parallel processing AB
Studio One was my best music software decision ever. I love it.
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Do whatevers best for you my dude 🤘
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What do you think about the fat channel xt and the analog emulations native of studio one??
Pretty good. I can see they purposely made the choice to only add low order harmonics in the compressors (or none at all) and I'm OK with that as it means I can track real time with them and not worry about aliasing
@@PaulThird totally true. Try the farchild and the neve 33609 emulTions. They are really good. Despitr i own several great plugind like PA or Overloud, I end using the fat channel just because it's very practical
Paul...how can I analyse them through doctor plugin????
I ran a physical sweep in the daw to test the harmonics. You've got the native version of the fat channel too you can use in doctor
@@PaulThird i couldnt find out how the plugin doctor can detect the native fat channel
I've often been tempted by S1, it sort of seems like a clean-slate version of Cubase in some ways (I'm still a Cubase user). I believe S1 was actually built by ex-Steinberg engineers who used to work on Cubase (but that's just what I read on the internet so I could be wrong), so that would make sense.
But I'm still a Cubase user. S1 seems really great, but I've used Cubase since it was a MIDI sequencer on the Atari ST so it's just like using a knife-and-fork to me and it keeps improving. But gosh the licensing stuff of Cubase is still really annoyingly confusing. If not Cubase, it would be a toss-up between S1 and Reaper to me.
Yeah I've heard a lot of mention about cubase 🤓
@@PaulThird ditched it years ago. Damn dongle. Very unstable as well. Spent more time trying to fix it than enjoying it. Bit like a BMW. You notice it's always BMWs that are broken down on the hard shoulder.
Studio One is basically Cubase with a better looking user interface and a bit more features.
Same here... Cubase since Atari version 1. Switched to studio one around 5 years ago and never went back I have cubase 11 to open old sessions and when I do, cubase just bugs the hell out of me. So overcomplicated and bloated in its appearance. Looks like a toy in comparison to S1. And don't get me started on logic. I use that to open vocal sessions I get sent. Makes me want to chuck my computer out the window
You're definately right about the two engineers who used to work for Steinberg.
Hey, whatever happened to Barbara? The one from the Christmas party? What does she think about Studio One?
She's been around the block.. There's no favourites with Babs 🤣
Heard she'd been promising Reaper a go for years but Reaper always got the, "my head says yes but my heart says no". Then there was Cubase, the first love, thrown by the wayside for the abusive relationship that is ProTools. Maybe Studio One will set things straight..... time will tell....
I switched away from Pro Tools because of the Core Audio channel count limit it had back in the days. I actually wanted to switch to Logic, but, a lot of people recommended REAPER. I created a whole custom workflow (always W.I.P.) and I’m super satisfied with the possibilties.
If Pro Tools wouldn’t have that channel limit back then, I would’ve never discovered the possibilities of other DAW’s. Thanks AVID 🙏🏻
I think everybody thought I was going to jump to reaper but the transition just wasn't as quick as studio one for me as I gelled with it instantly where when I tried reaper first I knew I was going to need time to really learn how to get it the way I wanted to work. I just didn't have the transition time
Being John Opposite here; I think I’m gonna buy a PT sub this month where the price i down 33%. I dont think it’s too much, as you get the entire Avid plugin suite included. Though many of them are old, there’s also good stuff. I used Pro Tools like 10 years ago, and I gotta admit there’s been improvements, especially when it comes to performance and stability, and that freeze thing is finally there, and it’s the best implementation I’ve seen. Yes it’s very manual, and yes it’s not in the frontseat featurewise, and yes Avid are f&)@ers, treating customers bad through years. And yes it’s not the cheapesr solution. But with this August offer, I don’t think it’s worse than a yearly Adobe sub for graphic designers. And it is the IS, which is the reason I need to use it, having certain projects coming up. I’ll give it a shot, see how it goes. 😉
I was all for the freeze and commit until I realised that avids rendering wasn't right. It's pedantic as the nulls are still like between -85/80 RMS but it still really bothered me enough where I was recording chains to tracks instead and then I found out recording to a track isn't bang on either haha 🙈
Wow. That’s bad. Gotta be a serious bug. Haven’t gone into such detail yet, while demoing, but will do so one if these days. The old-fashioned recording way back in PT10 never had issues with not nulling. That’s really weird. But you always had a good eye/ear for detail, Paul. 😉👂
Not sure PT and S1 are in the same category of DAWs. S1 has a lot more creativity and clever mastering section but I feel like it's trying to do too much. I found it totally overwhelming, and it hurt my eyes. So I sold my copy and went back to my Ableton (For creation), then PT for stem mixing and mastering. There are a few features of PT I love (The mixer, the real-time export, the workflow forces me to do better mixes). I realise you can do all these with Reaper and other DAWs now, but if it ain't broke, why fix it.
For what Paul does, S1 makes a lot of sense.
So I'm glad you've escaped the recent development hell Avid are in putting them 2 years behind everyone else (The pandemic hit them hard is what I was told). For example, I found a bug that made the MIDI window unusable on MBP 16" i9. So I gave up using PT for creative work. No choice. I told them 5 times. Finally, they found it and fixed it, 9 months from when it emerged. Too late. I stopped learning to use PT for creation, recording or editing. But I'm happy with my work flow even if it's a massive waste of money, too late now as my copy is NFR! Didn't tell us that when buying the Edu version.😕
They didn't even reply to me when I asked why I'd went from £10 to £34 haha 😥
I went from scratching out basic demos on FL studio up until about 3 years ago when I got Studio One. I found it so intuitive I actually got more confident in taking on production of my own music. On your advice I bought the mixing engineers handbook. I'm just about to start and HND in sound production at Edinburgh college and they run... Pro Tools 😱 I decided to take the student subscription out on it to get a bit of a head start but instead I got a headache. I'll probably only use it to bounce out stems for studio one to mix at home to be honest. Studio One's routing options are so good and easy, it all just works as you expect it too. Not having to figure out little workarounds to save some CPU means you are just able to see a composition through start to finish.
Probs still good to learn protools though incase you need to use it for whatever reason
Okay, quick engagement question: Why do you pay for Presonus Sphere? Can't you just buy studio one and be done with it? Personally I don't do subsciptions (well yes, for internet access, insurances etc.).
Also I wondered why you didn't choose reaper, but you answered that in your pinned post..
Tbh i have the "Paul Third" privilege so no subscription haha knew what I wanted, asked the question and got the result I wanted BUT I was just gonna pay the yearly subscription when I got a sponsored video but thankfully I didn't need to. Really cool guys. Had a great meeting with their product manager and were on the same page
AHAAAAAAAA ma man Third! you did yourself a solid one, mate! i have been using Stuio One for about 5 years now.
i used pro tools for 11 years straight and I promise you now....studio one killed it!
i hope you enjoy it! its going to be an easy one mate.
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Welcome to the club!
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Literally Left Pro Tools officially a few days ago. I already had Studio One 4 installed and honestly my client loved the mix he got a few months ago but it wasn't really being used. Well, My license ran out and I figured let me give this another try... safe to say I'm not going back. I'm moving all my current projects over and that's that. Thanks for the video, Paul. Hope the switch just becomes smoother.
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It always scares me how much people are willing to put up with to count as "professional", based on what you described a 200$ FL-Studio version with free lifetime updates beats the industry standart Pro-Tools. I guess they invested all that subscription money into marketing instead of features. I hope a lot more professionals wander off to other DAWs, they certainly dont deserve to be industry leader with their current featureset.
When you deep dive further into the industry you start to see exactly why avid are still everywhere in the industry. Not my situations to share but you'd be very surprised at how much money avid shell out to still be relevant
This could have easily been titled *why I switched to Ableton* 😂
And, agreed. Studio One is incredible!
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I enjoyed that. Great list of reasons and fun presentation. I look forward to seeing more of your videos. My DAW of choice is mostly Tracktion Waveform. It’s got very similar feature-set to studio one by the sounds of it. I love the chord track too, such a handy thing.
I also adore Bitwig, and if I ever want a DAW specifically geared to audio recording then Harrison Mixbus is awesome. I have no desire to pay for the sub-par privilege of Pro Tools!
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S1 fanboy here, I don’t miss pt one bit🤘
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reaper here 'cos it's the best.
Such a reaper user response 😜
@@PaulThird :D- yes true. I'd try to justify my position further but there's so many reasons I can't be arsed :D
Hahaha well least your honest 🤣
REAPER PAUL REAPER GOD DAMN YOU.
🤣🤣 I've disappointed many but.. I just couldnt do it man haha
@@PaulThird NOOOOOOO WHO HAVE YOU UPSET NOW. ha ha ha.
Enjoy.
great video!!!!
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I'd really love to hear you do some breakdowns about 'the sound of waves' plugins. I only have a few that I still use anymore, but I feel like this is an often talked about phenomenon that I've yet to see any data justifying or explaining what is going on. They tend to flatten the sound, particularly their analog emulations, and their more recent ones have gotten better about it. I'm just curious what make them sound that way.
It's mostly aliasing in waves plugs. Anything that involves heavyish saturation they fall apart. As well as the fact that they just aren't that great at coding compression envelopes. Cla3a is the only decent emulation compressor I believe waves has
Never liked pro tools I have studio one pro which I use for certain things but my main daw is nuendo /Cubase . The midi is just the best .I just love the layout and functionality .wave lab of course is a first class mastering daw I’d be lost without it . I know a few engineers that use Harrison mix bus for certain things but in reality just stick to what they’re adept at . I’ve nulled out daw tests in the past and not found a difference except work flow . Times money so I stick to what I know . I’ve never even opened reaper so can’t comment.
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Now, Cubase and Nuendo are the greatest, they got rid of the USB-ELICENSER this year... Biggest game changer ever made by Steinberg!
pro tools is made for engineers. it's workflow is made for editing and recording mostly. mixing is good too. but their main issue is focusing too much on the needs of large commercial post production workflows over music studios' needs. as such other companies have made better options. logic, cubase, reaper, studio one are all incredible in their own ways. that chord feature in studio one looks super handy! I am gonna try and start making more templates in other DAWs. i really can't afford the price of pro tools anymore. i have a perpetual license so i know my old sessions will load (well until it no longer works with the OS version i upgrade to 😂).
That's why I'm glad I don't need to worry about older sessions. I'm not really tied to anything and that's why I decided to switch now as I'm really starting to think about my career and where I want to lay the foundations. I don't want to move again
@@PaulThird love it! Part of me has been feeling that burn the past vibes. I want to get a good creation station if you will. Looking into ableton too (one of the only daws I’ve never used).
Agree 100% on all points. I switched to S1 four years ago and never looked back.
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Yes!!!!!!!! Super stoked about this! Hopefully you stick with S1
I'm not going back to protools any time soon put it that way haha
@@PaulThird haven’t got to watch the vid yet, but I’m curious how big of a set-back not being able to link plugins is for you. Specifically regarding your routing. Also not being able to edit sources with izotope internally
How do you mean by link?
@@PaulThird say you have your stereo hard panned guitars with slightly different inserts, but most plugins are identical, and you didn’t want to send them to an extra bus before a sub-group. In many DAW’s, you can link plugins to avoid routing to a buss, and you adjust the setting on one which globally adjusts all linked plugins to identical settings at all times. Make sense? Or say you wanted to run a compressor that doesn’t unlink, you can run it dual mono and link it so the left doesn’t affect compression on the right
The fact I had to ask probably is your answer 🤣
Pro Tools belongs to the 90's (early 2000 s) 'big' analog studios' environments ... Those setups must to sync a lot of analog gear with their digital environment ... that's where protools becomes a 'reliable' professional tool ... but today, for the 'musician's independent producers' , there are plenty of DAW setups that do what they need a lot better than with a Pro Tools configuration ... Plus, I will not recommend Pro Tools for a PC user ... If you are going to work with Pro tools users, then, send to them well consolidated stems ... sometimes, well consolidated stems can make their work more easy, than, importing a session from another Pro tools environment ...
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I'm still using Reaper. Love the ability to oversample. Other capabilities too.
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Addendum: I am also going through a DAW switch. It’s come down to a choice for me between Reaper and Studio One.
I’m keen to see how things work out for you.
Unrelated but kinda cool.
My parents are both from Ayre.
I was born a Canadian but my dad use to say I was “a Canadian boy but all Scottish parts” 😀
If you really bother about cpu and are happy to take time customise it to get the workflow and look you are after then reapers a good choice as it can do mostly anything but requires more of a learning curve.
If you want hardware integration & real time dsp, integrated mix engine fx with different console styles, and quicker daw transition out the box then studio one is a good choice.
Welcome, brother! I've been using Studio One for almost ten years now. It's got all I need, it's great and easy to work with. I'm not a pro, though.
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Been with P-Tools for over 20 years, I started messing with other DAW's cos Avid are not a good company and development has stalled badly... Any way I agree, over the last six months I have been playing with Studio one, and hay I really like it. I honestly believe it's now to late for P-Tools to come back, horse has bolted etc.
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Why not Reaper, the most stable and it can all do you want it to do. Best CPU performace with plugins I´ve ever saw! You should try your mentioned Plugin and I swear it be half of Studio One again.
Tbh I just don't care for it haha i have this wierd personal thing with reaper where its community mentality has got under my skin over the years. It's a youtuber thing. I tried it and it wasn't for me and I didn't want to be brought into the whole daw wars thing that reaper seems to get constantly brought up in.
When it comes to DAW's I just want an easy life and somewhere to lay my hat where I can just chill and do my thing.
Reaper comes with an incredibly passionate community and it kind of puts me off a lot being the audio youtuber I am.
Its very hard for people to understand and I don't really expect people to haha
@@PaulThird wow , why make these video's then? You never mentioned, the community of s1 and pro tools,? Come on, its about the daw, or is it? You might be to biased. I really thought your channel was a different story...
I use reaper and S1 on a daily bases, I love then both, learned both at the same time. Reaper is more stable and far more CPU friendly as a fact. S1 is not the best in the regard. Reaper is zo damn fast, double click, drag and drop ,drag n drop for routing in the mixer panel, no matter what the content is, Reaper recongnizes it and makes a track.
Bulk stem saving rendering etc etc, with a Mouse alone, or keyboard shirtcuts, its up to you. Midi editing needs an upgrade, and support for some midi daw controllers .
Reaper can do what s1 can do.
S1 is better for eyecandy in my opinion, I like the soundcloud integration, and some included software. Melodyne, and some synths are great.
Right think about what you've just commented. Basically your justification of why I should be using reaper. I don't want to use reaper and don't need to be convinced other wise.
There's this constant need online for reaper to constantly be the best. This is what I'm talking about with reaper over the years. After the 3000th "this is why YOU should reaper, and this is why it's the best" comment you start to get a bit bored of it.
My video isn't about what the best daw is. It's about why I left protools and why I moved to Studio one instead.
Honestly I never get comments about studio one but I get a shit ton about reaper and it's always why I should be using it.
After a while it gets under your skin. I thought about it, tried it, didn't like it, moved on. That's should be it and I shouldn't need convinced why my decision is "wrong". Not saying that's exactly what you've said but it seems to me anyway taking generally that it's either reaper or nothing else for a lot of guys and it's this stupid daw politics thing and I honestly despise it.
If there's one thing I don't worry about it's what daw somebody else is using. I'm interested and I'll ask but it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
That's why I'm saying I don't expect others to understand as not many have my situation.
As I said, tried it, didn't get a good vibe, didn't like the tutorials online, didn't like the gui or wanted any of the customisation stuff. Just wasn't for me and that should be it.
Its a very good daw, just not for me.. And that should be the book closed. Happy to hear why others like it but can't be arsed to get into debates about DAW's and why they are "better" as it bores me to tears
@@PaulThird You hit the nail on the head. A couple of years ago when I was first starting to think of leaving PT behind, I got sucked into the "reaper is AMAZING" hype and just had to try it out. I did so, and it wasn't for me. I don't like the look, (yea that matters if you're going to be staring at it for hours on end) and it just didn't flow for me. I watched tutorials, and I did like Kenny's videos on it, but I just could NOT get a rhythm going with it. There was just something about it.
I'll also echo some of what you said, the constant over the top praise and reasons why you SHOULD be using reaper got old to me as well. It reminds me of bible thumpers. "Oh, you're into religion? Well, you're following the WRONG religion, here....let me explain all the reasons why you're WRONG!" That's what it feels like. It's as if they see an opportunity to sway you and bring you to their "side." It's a bit cultish, and if you even remotely seem like you're not interested, they come off as if they're offended, which was just illustrated in the comment above you. I don't get it. I couldn't care less what the next man or woman uses for their daw. I just want to see people having fun making and mixing music.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Reaper does a fantastic job for many, but it just wasn't for me. Not to mention, I can't tell you how many times I've seen Reaper users say "trust me! Reaper is the best, you just have to take the time to customize it to how you want it."
That's the thing, I don't WANT to do that. It's enough of learning curve when exploring a new DAW, and the last thing I want to do, is spend EXTRA time just trying to figure out what I want to customize on TOP of learning the DAW itself. I'm not interested in doing all of that. That's what drew me in with S1. It's flexible, has great workflow, plenty of great ideas were put into it, the tutorials are great, and after a day with it, you're good to go. I'm looking for simplicity with a little modern vibe, and that's what S1 delivers for ME.
As they say, different strokes for different folks.
"after a day with it your good to go".. That was how I felt and a big thing as change is super hard for me but straight off the bat I just knew it was for me. But I understand why many would see it as cluttered and I get why reaper gets so highly recommended but there's many factors when choosing a daw. It's a very personal thing to me as your working on it every day and that initial change over has to be smooth for me or I end up reverting back.
Very interesting in the comments though. A TON of people left pro tools and it's mostly either studio one or reaper.. Well hard to say as this is a studio one video so if it was cubase, logic etc probs see tons of comments for them but crazy how many were on protools and ditched.
Avid used to have a HUGE chunk of the pie
Welcome to the club
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Hey Paul, I've mainly only ever used SO (although I have tried several other DAWS). Reaper is great but far to "nerdy" for me. SO is the happy medium: loads of functionality but easy to navigate and use.
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I'm using Reaper for 8+ years now and it never let me down in any situation but I get that StudioOne is kind of the more commercial appealing DAW with comparable modern DAW features - so well done for leaving the ProTools ship and finding new DAW happiness :)
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Reaper is the way to go. S1 and logic are great for creating songs. Reaper is the way to go for mixing and more technical mixes.
How about giving a reason, when you're effectively just any random person on the internet?
I use Nuendo and I can't say reaper has much to tempt me aside from linked plugin parameters.
Reaper is great if you don't mind Windows 95 interfaces, "customizability" in lieu of actually finishing the design, and a general lack of full compatibility with hardware. Unfortunately, I do mind those things. Studio One is not perfect, but everytime I get it in my mind to switch, Reaper sends me right back to it.
@@ReeseWitherknife he can’t cause he’s a fan boy not an actual engineer.. reaper is like any other daw
Oh wow! I've been dabbling with Studio One myself.
I've been through the wars with DAWs man (hey that rhymed). I used Logic for 8-9 years on Mac, then switched to Windows in 2019 (cos fuck the planned obsolescence of Mac), and ever since then i've been trying to find my perfect replacement DAW.
Here's what i've spent good amount of time with: Reaper, Studio One, and Cubase
I've also dabbled a little with Ableton but not really.
Here's what i've discovered (in chronological order)...
1. REAPER:
--Pros: Best CPU performance and slickest coding. I can the load the most plugin instances with this one. You can load the software in like 2 seconds, click BAM it's open. The exe file is like 16mb. Also has unique features that other DAWS don't have. Active devs + Awesome company philosophy. Best community, very helpful and engaged. TONS of options. You can do anything your imagination allows. It's deeeeeeeep.
--Cons: TONS of options. So many that it's overwhelming. It feels clunky to use with all the options, it's hard to develop "visual muscle memory" because so much functionality is contained within lists within lists of options, which doesn't suit my brain style. I also don't like the way the interface looks or feels to use. Feels too "windowsy" or something. I know you can get custom themes but it still doesn't change the "windowsy" feel. Also researching themes is a whole rabbit hole in itself. These cons are unfortunately deal breakers for me personally because it gets in the way of my inspiration levels. It's too "heady". Which is a shame cos i really wanted to commit to it cos of the pros i mentioned.
So then i moved onto...
2. STUDIO ONE
--Pros: Great all-rounder. Great CPU performance (Reaper #1 tho). To me S1 is some kind of happy medium between Cubase and Ableton. It has half of the intuitive/streamlined feel of Ableton, and half the "digital console" power/quality of Cubase. Which is probably the place that feels right to me. Good amount of powerful/useful features without being so much that it drains your CPU, or your head. Nice (but not amazing) interface, better than Reaper and Cubase anyway (for me). Doesn't feel windowsy. Most of the features are little things that incrementally add up. Maybe the biggest pro is that it doesn't have any "deal breaker" weaknesses.
--Cons: No major weaknesses. The main weakness is probably that it's kind of a jack of all trades, master of none. The v6 upgrade was underwhelming and makes me wonder whether the company has plateaued, have they run out of ideas/innovation? I wish the plugin manager was the same as Cubase's, in that you can set the ORDER that plugins are in the folders (not just alphabetical), and i wish i could create multiple themes/templates of your plugin folder layouts, like in Cubase. And i wish you could add the same plugin to multiple folders rather than just 1.
But then a gun mixing engineer aquaintance raved on about Cubase and listed all these compelling reasons why it's amazing and it motivated me to try it out....
3. CUBASE (what i'm using recently):
--Pros: Super powerful features. Probably the best DAW as far as feature quality that are built in, and how useful and smart they are. That's the main pro, and it's a HUGE one. Too many world-class features to list. This one's a small one, but the VST manager is the best i've found, it's so easy to oder your plugin folders and pull up the right plugins easily when the situation calls for it without having to think. MIDI Remote options and the macro stuff is also the best i've used. (There's definitely more pros than this but i got sick of typing lol.) Edit: Oh yeah, the "control room" feature is awesome, you can put all your metering plugins on that and it sits outside of the song.
--Cons: The foundational code that they're building on top of is old and outdated, and so it has its limitations. E.g. it is super CPU resource hungry. This unfortunately is starting to become a deal breaker for me because my projects grind to a halt once i get to like 12-15 plugins (i7-8700 CPU), dropouts etc. It's maddening. No idea whether the problem is with Cubase or with the way my computer in particular interacts with Cubase, but it is what it is, and it sucks. The other 2 DAWS don't do it. It's like a Ferrari engine in a horse and cart, or something. For MY computer anyway. It's a shame cos i was reeeeally ready to commit to Cubase. It's also a bit buggy. The most buggy out of the other 2, not in a way that is a deal breaker, just in a way that makes you raise an eyebrow. I don't hate the interface, but i don't love it. It has a bit of Reaper about it as far as there being lists within lists of options, lots of windows. It's laid out in a way where you gotta switch between windows to access things you need. E.g. if you have your arrange window + mixer window visible at the same time, you can't see your inserts, sends & routing AT THE SAME TIME on a channel, you gotta switch between 3 separate mixer views. OR alternatively you can load the mixer window as a full screen thing, then you can see it all laid out, but then you can't see your arrange window anymore so you gotta switch back. So there's a lot of clicking around to view the things you want. It's probably something you get used to after a while, but so far i'm finding it to be a bit clunky (better than Reaper though). And obviously if you're using 2 screens then it wouldn't be a problem.
So even though i think Cubase is great, and i bet if i really knuckled down and learned the ins and outs, it would really allow for some really amazing audio wizard possibilities, BUT i can't fucking stand it when it starts glitching and dropping out riiiiight when i'm in the ZONE with a song. Flow breakers are deal breakeres. So now i'm thinking i'll switch back to S1 and commit to that, since i already know it doesn't have any of the major deal breakers
QUESTION -- did you try out any other DAWS other than Studio 1? What were your impressions? Particularly interested to know if you tried Cubase or Reaper, and how you compare them to S1
Tried reaper and cubase and wasn't for me
Paul is F%$^ED UP FUNNY!!! Great Video My Boy! Hey, What would you recommend for filmmakers? I use Logic and Fairlight ti mix down dialogue but I didn't"t know if you've heard of any others...?
I do all my videos using filmora. Record through revelator io24's dsp & process in studio one. Export audio and import that into filmora and align audio to video
ProTools is the most unstable and buggy software I´ve used for television broadcast.
But why is it still so overly used haha nearly everybody I spoke to in the industry was saying that as much as they don't really like to use it they practically have to cause its so deeply integrated in the industry
Somebody said to me that by leaving protools I'd essentially just cut off potential future opportunities cause some places absolutely demand it.
But I jumped ship anyway 🤣
I wonder how many industries have the absolute worst, feature lacking backwards software option as their industry standard. And the fact that it's in all the big studios is how AVID are able to get away with the worst DAW and slowest to innovate being the most expensive.
It doesn't really good on paper does it 😅
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I started sequencing music on a C64 using Dr. T's KCS. Then I graduated to Voyetra SP Gold, running on a 286 with hardware that gave me 4 ports of 16 midi channels, with SMPTE in and audio trigger in. Those were heady days. 😂 So when Steinberg came out with Cubase VST (v3 I think), I was hooked. Been on Cubase ever since. I have tried Reaper, and Studio One, but my workflow, shortcuts, etc on Cubase, I can use it with my eyes closed. So new DAW software slooows me down, and I don't have enough patience + time = $$$
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Thats the key to it all... Use whatever DAW works best for you. I also got S1 2 with a Presonus interface, and I upgraded it and used it quite a bit, but each time I needed to do some midi editing I had to go back to Cubase cause none of the other DAWs existed 30+ years ago when we started on the Atari ST with midi recording, so they are all missing some key things cause not many uses it today. Today the playing field is evened out cause its all about direct Audio editing, but the fact was ... I missed my logical editor from Cubase and Cubase just works better for me. I have nothing against the other software, and frankly Presonus is a good reason Steinberg stays on their toes in development. And once they get all the small problems solved the move away from the dongle protection is one of the best things that has happened to Cubase in many years. Along with Logic those are seriously the 3 top contenders for serious work. And yes. Protools might still be the industry standard for big studio's and post production environments, but they lost the ball many years ago when the rest of the world moved away from dedicated hardware made specific for Protools that was way out of the avg home producers reach costwise.Today people can just download a Free DAW, buy a cheap interface and the sky is the only limit, well apart from your skills as a producer / composer 😄
I dropped them all. They ALL suck compared to Reaper.
Tbh that's kind of why I was very put off by reaper. Im not a fan of the daw politics thing and it's absolutely rife with reaper. Dunno exactly why but it's summin I really don't want brought into
@@PaulThird I'm not sure I understand you correctly but I'm not talking daw politics. I literally worked in all of them 20 years in Cubase and PT, a few years in FL Studio, Studio One and Ableton.
Studio One is great with the drag and drop thing for sure. Reaper is dirt cheap and have so many more features. Love it..
If you can rave about studio One, I'm sure you're democratic sense of mind will let others rave about other Daws in the comment section 😊
Look at the comment section so far. It's what I expected. People telling why I should be using reaper. Im all for people sharing why they like it but they way it's done on youtube has always felt a bit "Mob mentality" and "your an idiot for not using reaper"
I dunno if it's cause reaper was ridiculed on youtube early days and there's still backlash from the industry guys a bit but I can't be arsed being told why my decision is wrong.
Its been that way with many reaper guys since I started youtube and its reminds me a lot of the audio forums and I want well away from all that.
Its just the way it is on youtube and I have nothing against anybody that uses reaper but I just don't like the way the reaper community do stuff online, the same as I don't like how many plugin fan boys do stuff either.
I can't really expect yourself and others to understand unless your dealing with the RUclips stuff on a daily basis
@@PaulThird but Paul I can't speak for anyone but myself and I explained why I use it. I don't see myself as a part of any reaper community and as such, I don't see a joined community against other daw users.
I completely understand why you love studio one. And to be frank I still do a lot of comping in PT.
But all in all I'm amazed, of the feature set of reaper.
I would have stayed in Studio One if the got a stationary curse which is basic in all other Daws. Might seem like a small thing but it's actually not. Also the computer hyperthreating thing is not very well optimized in most Daws incl studio one. I can actually run more plug-ins in reaper than any other daw..
I'm happy fo you that you found a daw that fits your work flow, and I'm happy that I found mine. We all have to live with limitations of any daw, I guess it's all about what limitations we can live with and which we can't.. 😊
Tbh im just aimlessly ranting. I do that to whoever is the comment I lay on haha
Id just read 5 reaper comments before yours and I think the "they ALL suck compared to reaper" comment twigged me as my head was like...such a reaper user thing to say 😂
Honestly, I genuinely have no bad feelings towards reaper users, its just gets under your skin after the 3000th comment after 2 years 😂
Because Reaper is infinitely better
I finally jumped ship from PT to S1 about 4 years ago because Avid really doesn't give a flying f about the home-studio user. Condescending PAID support tickets closed as resolved before even getting feedback (that the proposed solution is not applicable, they didn't read the problem) and then contacting SWEETWATER tech support to fix those issues (by contacting Avid) multiple times. Enter Studio One... Installed. It just WORKS! "Update available" click and it just WORKS! PT required uninstall/reinstall and then pray your sessions will open unaltered. S1 has never frozen or crashed, never choked on a plugin or MIDI device, never interferes with another program's drivers/DLLs. Learning curve was ZERO, and after recording producing a complete album in S1 (including CD mastering and meta) in just a week, the only thing I have done since with PT is export a few unfinished projects. I don't even mention PT to prospective clients anymore (and only one has asked if I am a PT studio). The ONLY thing I miss is being able to draw a waveform, which I rarely used (but it was cool).
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I use Reason 12 because It Rack devices set up is inspiring looks great and does what I want.
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hilarious and informative ... thanks Paul.
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I effing love studio one, i’ve been using it since V2… The only thing keeping me from deleting all my other DAWS and only using it is the lack of a pre-fader Freeze track option for tracks and busses. The track transform feature is cool but needs some improvements and it doesn’t fully replace a traditional freeze option in my opinion. Freezing up tracks and busses at the end of a session is a good way to archive a session for years. I have cubase sessions from almost 20 years ago I could open up tomorrow because I have all the tracks frozen and they’ll sound pretty much exactly the same. Obviously it’s better to export all the tracks for archiving but for keeping a session future proof, it’s the best option i’ve found.. and Pro Tools, even though they were so late to add the feature, has implemented it the best of any of them, allowing you to freeze aux tracks as well as regular tracks. If studio one adds this one feature, it’s game over imo. Hear me nowww Presonus!!!
YOU WILL BE BACK!!
Nah haha
Don't forget that Studio One also has "plugin nap" which idles plugins within the song if they are not presently needed, which really cuts down on cpu usage!
I've got that enabled 👍
I've got that enabled 👍
I used Cubase for a long time but they seemed to get stagnant in a way. I decided to try out studio one and instantly was getting better mixes. I still havent used the project or show pages yet. Just so many features to spend time with!
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