Enduro MTB: Is more travel worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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Will my first Enduro ride live up to the long travel mountain bike hype?
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For everyone saying that bike isn’t for bentonvile be quiet the best bike is the one that puts the biggest smile on you face and he is having a great time
@@knoturbusns1248 You can ride anything at coler on a 120 rear (including Drop the Hammer, super smooth landing), but honestly buy and ride what you like, I had to pedal a slash around Bentonville and I felt way over-biked.
@@vashusan1984 i think a lot of people haven’t ridden new school enduro bikes, and don’t have any idea just how well they pedal.
The days of enduro bikes being completely terrible to pedal are over. And when you get to the downhills it more than makes up for a little bit of extra weight. Say no to spandex and strava times, and hello to monster trucking.
That bike is made for the Pyrenees! And you need all the travel you can get here because it’s steep as hell. That being said there’s no harm riding it in mellow terrain
I saw tons of Commencals in Bentonville when visiting- I had fun on my 150/160 and my friend had just as much fun on his 110/120- we both hit drop the hammer- that drop is so smooth you could hit it in anything.
Hey Evan, I’m sure you may have heard this. But the only thing with the shock is that it doesn’t have a piggy back, the piggy back is idea for enduro bikes because it is able to hold more oil and therefore stays cooler and working better longer on big DH days. So if you notice on any longer DH days that your shock is having some issues that could be the reason. Thanks for the content and keep it up!
I took it to a shuttle park the next day with 7-10 minute runs and didn't notice any fade. So I'm pretty impressed with the little guy shock. I've had a couple of higher tier shocks in my online cart and man it's just hard to pull the trigger on spending $400+ 😬
@@EvansMTBSaga just don't buy a fox x2, they are full of technical issues
@@EvansMTBSaga you can find lightly used super deluxes on pink bike for $100! A lot of them are pull offs and basically brand new
@@michaelmulligan5808 I've been looking for sure. It's a not so common size 230x62.5 and almost every cheap super deluxe is off a Santa Cruz which has bearings instead of a traditional eyelet and this bike can't use it 😐 the canyon is the same way, super uncommon shock size. I almost bought a super deluxe for $250. Maybe that'd make a good video
@@EvansMTBSaga as long as the eye to eye is the same length most shocks can be adjusted in 2.5mm steps stroke wise by a suspension centre🤘 gives you more range in options to buy
When replacing your shock, keep in mind that new and pre-owned shocks come with a bike manufacturer specific pre-tune. Commencal uses a soft rebound and soft dampening pre-tune. While for example Yeti uses a medium rebound and dampening pre-tune. Just because the shock fits eye to eye, does not mean it will work how it's suppose to.
Happy for you and your success as well. One of my favorite growing RUclips channels!
Thank you man!
Wow that cinematography in the beginning was amazing! An MTB short film from you would be crazyyyyy
That was fun to shoot, probably gonna tank the video because of it 🤣😬 a short film sounds intriguing
Enduro bikes are the best for gravity focused riders! And they're great for downhill parks like Leatherwood 😎 Trail bikes get outgunned quickly on chunky DH trails. Great video Evan!
I find it nicer to watch ride videos without any extra music, just the actual sound of the wheels running through tough terrain. I suggest you do that, too, sometimes.
Looks great! Try a coil next. It’s a game changer.
Can't wait for this. This bike looks brutal 🔥
Can't wait!
Hey man ! Watching you from Romania, i’m so glad you enjoy this Commencal bike - i have a Meta myself, and it is really awesome. So stoked for you 😊 !!!
Glad you're enjoying your commencal dude!
I have a specialized enduro with a push coil. It pedals up better than my previous sworks stumpjumper evo.
I have a trail bike and an Enduro bike. I never ride the trail bike anymore. They climb the same honestly but the descents are so much more fun.
Glad you're enjoying the new bike. Can't wait to come back to NW OZ. Maybe see ya on the trails.
I'm stoked for the commencal! I would love to see how it stacks up against the spectral 125 I'm so torn between a short trial bike for fun or a long travel big for just monster trucking stuff lol
I agree the SX is a bit overbiked for the trails you're generally riding on, but hey, it's a sick bike and handles amazingly, the FC/RC balance is so good, Commencal nailed it. I also built one up as a bike that I can just beat on that can handle anything and it is definitely that. You should definitely take it on a trip to a bike park or somewhere with some serious steep rocky tech, you'll be blown away at how much of a beating that thing can take. I have tried to overwhelm mine and its able to handle pretty much anything you throw at it. The SX loves steep sketchy trails.
Haha I get pretty uncomfortable on steep stuff! But now I have the bike for it so going to keep trying and get comfortable with it. I shuttled the bike the following day and it's such a good feeling to dance right over chunk
Theyre saying its an xc shock because it doesn’t have an oil reservoir.
However, you should definitely look into the meg neg for the rockshox platform. Its truly worth it.
I think that's the next move with it. Pretty cheap little upgrade
Love the “new bike day” joy coming through!
If there's one thing my enduro bike taught me, it's that I have to trust the shitload of money I spent on it. 🤣
My previous Marin Attack Trail had the whole 9 yards; a piggyback, 170mm fork, 203mm rotors front and rear, everything. It felt so slow and cumbersome on flat ground, but when I let go of the brakes and pump it downhill, it just floats over boulders and monster trucks everything while tracking straight.
The frame has since cracked since it's an 8yo bike that's been with many hard-charging owners throughout its life and I miss it dearly. So I wish nothing for you but the best with your Meta SX!
Nice to see you sending the bike Evan!
Love the look of your shiny Commencal, I have a Commencal Meta AM that rips the bikepark :D
Another great video Evan! The bike that makes you smile is a great bike! Have fun and keep sending it. Nice Jared cameo by the way!! 😁
Great video mate, I just bought a Meta Sx and am so keen to hit the trails this weekend 🤙
hey Evan I'm a big fan of the Chanel and I think you suit the longer travel bike perfectly and you look so steezie loving the content and keep it coming
Thanks Darcy. I have another new bike coming next week
I think a good test for this bike would be the chunder over on Rock Solid @ Coler. Also you could take it over to Lake Leatherwood, the black diamonds there are so money. Plus Nick one of the shuttle owners is so rad.
LOL, never mind, looks like you hit Leatherwood with that shot I saw of the trailer! How'd you dig those trails?
Mountain bikes don't have to be fragile at all, you just have to use the right components. Not too long ago we were all climbing hills on freeride bikes that weighed a light 42 pounds and nothing would break or pop when hucking ourselves off stair gaps or retaining walls at the local mall. I would suggest finding a true downhill bike to sample. If you have access to the right trails, something with a dual-crown fork and 200mm travel front and rear will change your world. Cheers!
That would be a fun ride! I rode a DH bike about 10 years ago and I kept hucking to flat and smashing my toes into the ground 🤣
@@EvansMTBSaga 160mm cranks help with that. Good luck on the climbs though. Haha.
Agree, proper components, also always have a spare rear derailleur hanger with you.
I've owned an enduro bike, a 2017 trek slash 9.8 (150/160) I brought it because a local lift access bike park opened up and I thought I needed it, but now I own a 2019 norco fluid (120/130) personally I have much more fun on the short travel norco, its fun, agile, and poppy, where the enduro bike just steam rolled over all the small trail features making many tracks a bit boring, but the norco makes those small trail features actual features again, plus it can still handle everything the slash did.
You can get for shocks with 230x57.5/60/65 and ujust the stroke to 62.5
I just got a new commencal clash and I'm coming from using a trail bike, do not regret it at all! would definitely recommend commencal as a bike brand!
Me being primarily a bike park rider and living in a very Rocky area but also wanting to ride other trails sometimes and can only afford one bike my 180/180mm travel Rocky Mountain slayer is the perfect bike for me
That shock is perfectly fine. In Bentonville you certainly don’t need a piggyback since the descents aren’t too long. Rockshox even says on their website that the Deluxe is no different than the enduro-rated Superdeluxe in terms of performance
Agreed. If an upgrade is absolutely needed for Bentonville trails, Evan will see more improvement with a MegNeg added to his existing shock vs a remote reservoir style unit.
Increasing negative air volume on a frame with geometry designed around a progressive shock will NOT make it worse. Adding a MegNeg allows more tunability, increasing small bump sensitivity and resistance to bottoming out. If Evan decides to upgrade to the piggyback reservoir Super Deluxe Ultimate he can also use the MegNeg with that shock as well.
The SX is a great bike, good choice. If you watch Commencals website, historically in the component section, they in the past would fire sale the left over production inventory after models discontinue. The SX uses the 62.5 shock while the newer bikes from other mfgs seem to use the 65 shock, so likely Commencal will go to 65 on the next design (I'm speculating). New design is out in 2023 according to rumor. Thats a place to watch / track to save money, but honestly with your channel viewership you could probably get a free shock from somewhere. This is all assuming you actually want a shock upgrade, what you have will be fine in Bentonville but once you start putting in 8-10 hour days with 30-40 miles of actual descending (no including the lifts) at the bike parks, that shock is not going to live long. My only real advice here is, Double Down rear tire, or equivalent from other mfg. The cushcore won't save the Exo tread or sidewalls once you start to carry speed through the rocks in DH parks.
Thanks for the comment man! I have a shuttle trail system real close by and I want to try out the long days you mention. Would help a ton on skills, comfortability with chunk/steep. Plus shuttling feels like cheating and is a whole other kind of work outs 🤣 I was going to use the rear tire until it gets mangled and then do DD. Definitely exciting to try another cycling discipline. Sounds like you have some experience, so thanks again!
@@EvansMTBSaga the DH parks will progress ability very quickly. They will not stress your legs but your neck, shoulders, traps, arms, chest, etc, all will be sore after long days descending. Its a different workout from just pedaling, and also a lot of fun. I don't really know what is available in Arkansas but out there you are driveable to the big mountain bike parks in CO and NM. Good luck, have fun!
Don´t let people talk to much. These Deluxe Shocks are absolutely fine. Have ridden mine hard day in day out. Never any problems. Piggy backs are a lot of marketing, and maybe good for racers. But for normal hobby usage these Deluxe´s are plenty good.
4:40 turn down your high speed compression HSC on your fork a click to make it smoother through that rock garden
I came for the enduro bike but honestly the picture frame intrigued me more it's pretty damn cool 😆
It's def a good gift for the holidays!
Damn...I've been waiting over 3 months for my Meta SX frame from Commencal. Holidays ruining my delivery ETA.
I’m looking at getting one of these so this is some good content as a review
The video editing on this was seriously awesome
Hot bike
Thanks Tim!
You absolutely smashed that rock garden on schroen train.
love the page Evan,cant wait to watch the LIVE tonight,Mike and I are gonna talk about you on the show tonight.Keep it up homie
Congratulations on the new bike it’s a dream bike for sure. It would be a blast at SOMO.
Oh I know right. Maybe for shuttle runs, that climb up national & Mormon would be no fun!
subbed when he had 20k subs now hes almost at 100k keep up the good work hopefully in like a year you will have 1mill subs.
I have been loving your videos lately they are so inspiaring
5:46 Evan finally took off his hat!
I recently got my first enduro bike and I love it! so happy for you. keep tearing it up!
Cool, you should test out trek slash
I’ve got the second top model and that thing is a tank
the 2023 ones are considerably better with the new suspension and they finnnaaaallly got rid of the trouble double trunnion shock
Try this enduro trick from motorcycles. Instead of hanging your goggles on the bar. Spin them around backwards. The strap right under the visor and the lenses on the back. Way less chance of scratching or finding crap inside.👍
Glad to see you stoked on the new enduro!
I have the Deluxe came stock with my Meta AM, performs OK on my local trails. Performance does fades only on FULL day of bike park riding
Love my long travel specialized enduro 180/180mm travel full send on everything.
Dude, you have both the bikes that I would like to have. Meta SX or the Spectral. Can not decide. Guess both would be amazing
you should put a more enduro or DH oriented shock on as even though that shock came off a meta sx it was likely the lowest model, I would recommend something like fox float X2 or a rockshox super deluxe.
Yes, I knew you will eventually buy an Enduro bike. It is climbable DH bike....That is all I need from MTB. Love your channel from Thailand
If you like that bike, you should really try an enduro hardtail! I ride a Kona Honzo ESD, and I've loved everything about it. You should really consider either borrowing, or just straight up purchasing one. You don't have to go all the way like I did, but something like that Mongoose Ardor you built up a while back would be really cool to see in Bentonville! Seems like it would be perfect for the smoother downhill trails, seems like it would do super well there.
How do you feel about the Marin San Quentin compared to the ESD? I have some Marin connections and wanted to go that route. Before I could buy a bike for a project cuz I knew I could resell it. Now the used market is ruined and buying a bike now means losing hundreds 😬
I had a San Quentin and absolutely loved it before upgrading to a full suspension it really is great on all levels of riding
Man! I had no clue Bentonville was this gnarly!!! I would probably want my dh full 29er bike for those steep rock chutes. I don't know how you aren't scared to hit them
Ahh what do we have here. Looking back on your comment history, you started out nice, then evolved to a hater. Any last words?
@@EvansMTBSaga Get a specialized demo maybe, it gives traction on the climbs
also hypersensitivity is a sign of dangerously high estrogen levels!!!
@@EvansMTBSaga his first comment on this vid? first he says it's gnarly, and then that he prefers 29ers, then that he does not know how you could not be scared of the jumps, cus you clearly hit them. to me they look scary, for now. I don't see how any of that was hating. but you don't need an DH bike to ride like this, but an DH bike by most brands is purely for DH, so that would suck, it's fine if you only do DH. Unless it's an Geometron / Nicolai G1, then you can build it up as an enduro machine or DH bike, or the Nicolai G19 dh bike. cus they have an proper seat tube, so you can have a dropper post. My G1 is built up with stock 29eer setup, but it can be run as mulled, 27.5 too.
@@lukeisbadlol traction on the climbs? that's trolling. climbing with low saddle, no dropper post, will suck, and tyres give traction but suspension too, but it won't give you more traction n the climbs, that's nonsense.
What's the benefit of an Enduro vs a regular mountain bike? I got a stumpjumper evo comp alloy now.
Come ride the bike park(s) with us in Minnesota this Summer, it’s a day’s drive…I’m reasonably certain we have the closest lift operated parks to you!
Id love to come visit!
first look: very nice
second: i would change the blue grips to grey.
I was going for a little mix up on color, but I think they are too blue. Plus they're the cheaper version of Ergon factory grips and don't have the nice tear drop shape. But after riding these blue ones, the grips are really dang good 😬 so idk I might keep them lol
Id love to see you shred some dh trails! I hope you will visit bike parks next year id love to see your vids on them!
Hey Evan! what did you do to get your brake levers modded
Wow, great riding! So glad you like the SX I love my Tr, plushest rear ever (DVO Topaz) and the staff at Commencal is outstanding, at least speaking of Europe and their hq Andorra.
I need to try DVO. The rear shock I have may not match the plushness of the Zeb Ultimate, so I will check into DVO for the future
I got about a year out of the standard inline shock on my meta before I hit a 4' drop and exploded the internals. Plus it used to get so hot on the 5+ minute downhills. By the time you got to the bottom it would be so soft from the heat that the smallest bumps bottomed it out
A year is pretty good! What shock did you upgrade to?
Let’s get this man to 100k before summer 2023!!
i have that same shock should i get a new better one or just add some bottemless tokens
Depends on what problems you are having with it
I agree with Ctrl952
Awesome man, ok so now whats the final geo on that sweet build ?!!!
Looks like you’re having some good fun on the bruiser 🤙🏻
Just got my meta sx 2 weeks ago, such a good bike!
Love the rig!
The mullet life is the dream, you need to make a trip to windrock!!!!!!!!!
I'm definitely going to! My friend is moving that way soon
That bikes dream. Congratulations on it!
It has no piggy back thats why whats rear travel and once u ride the newest enduro bikes u won't go back if u upgrade too a better shock you'll feel difference I still haven't bottom out my shock and I ride big park is it sx or tr
that frame is too sick!! definitely going to be my next one
That shock is perfect for Bentonville. It's not like it's gonna handle any Enduro trails there anyway
At 50 mumble I got into DH and got an ol Giant Faith 0 2010 26" x 7"er. Me and my videos may be a little Mediocre, but I know it will never be the bike that let me down. in a word... Bulletproof
Just bought the same wheels and taking them for their first spin today I cant wait
Solid wheelset!
I’ve ridden all those trails on my 120mm bike and while it was a lot of fun and nothing broke- it definitely wasn’t smooth at times 😅
Haha it's cool when I hear from people that have rode the same trails. Definitely gets spicy at times in Bentonville haha
Yep, I've ridden much worse on my 120mm norco fluid fs1, its actually surprised me a lot, I used to think more travel equals better, but now I realize its quality of travel that matters more, not quantity, I have a revelation fork with the motion control damper (which isn't supposed to be very good) yet I've changed to 2.5w damper oil and now its great, its at least as good and even slightly more plush than the lyrik with the charger damper that was on my old 2017 trek slash 9.8
@@benjy288 There's definitely some truth to that! I have SID Select+ suspension and it does pretty well considering the low travel.
@@EvansMTBSaga For sure! I really do want to invest in a higher travel bike someday, but it's hard to justify when moat of my local trails in KY are XC oriented.
@@CinimodMG My personal experience owning a 150/160 trek slash, the long travel soaks up all the small trail features making tracks that aren't super steep and rough a bit boring, its just like a monster truck steam rolling over everything, so I sold the slash and brought the norco fluid, and it was so much more fun, its super easy to get a rebound pop just by compressing the suspension a bit, it made all the more xc/trail tracks fun again, plus it still handles the steep double blacks just fine too.
i really love long travel bikes, especially my DH rig cz it gives more fun and forgives more mistakes (and looks soo siiiick)
You really should try a coil on this bike though! unlock its full enduro potential!
I run a 28T on all my bikes. I'm 200 lbs and the 28 gives me the ability to turn over the cranks nicely on nasty climbs.
That's cool! And no issues with clearance of the chainring and chain stay. I might have to get a few more
@@EvansMTBSaga my Stumpjumper EVO chain is close to the stay but the Shimano clutch keeps it pretty tight. No noise.
@@EvansMTBSaga not on my bikes. I have a 21 Stumpjumper and a 22 Stumpjumper EVO
I haven’t even watched the video, but I can categorically say YES.
Good stuff man! those are two of my favorite trails to ride when I visit Bentonville. The First time I rode that one was during the enduro race. I was not in the race but they still let me go down it, I didn't know about those rocks at the bottom and sent it way to fast. I made it with out crashing but I now go through them vs over them.🤣🤣
Haha the end of Schroen looks like nothing in videos. I remember my first time down it I fully expected to be able to go no brakes. I'm still timid on that section 😬😂
@@EvansMTBSaga Next time I'm in Bentonville I will hit you up, last year I visited around 6 times, I have been building connections there. I am looking at adding a location for our business and Buying a house to use as rental when I'm at my home base.
I love my Clash!
When ext stories rebuild? It may be good shock for your meta
Always loved the lines on the Commencal bikes and they generally have solid build kit for the $$. Have been tempted to try one out a few times, but always end up going a different route.
Highly recommend them just ordered a meta tr on sale. If you’re looking to buy one get it now cus they are amazing bikes and on sale for a great price
@@aussiesends I actually just recently picked up a new Propain Tyee for 20% off and have been blown away how good it is.
@@superawesomefuntimego looks like a great bike
I heard a rumor about some Commencal frames. They broke rear shocks due some kind of frame linkage failure.
My beater bike is an early 2000s downhill bike
I have also commencal meta (tr), one of the first things i had to change is the shock (fox dps). Just not as capable as the front fork. Typical Commencal. greetings from Belgium.
Now that is a beautiful bike!
As far as the (non-piggyback) shock, I think it's just different from what we're used to seeing, especially in combination with a super burly fork like the Zeb. I think most riders don't need a piggyback shock, unless they're descending thousands of feet on the regular, or racing Enduro at a high level. But we're all at least a little susceptible to marketing...
Haha we've all had those marketing deception moments
Wonder when you'll get an ebike as well
the bike looks good🔥 keep it up evan
That’s a sweet bike, should def be your main ride now. You should try going coil on the rear, and really get rowdy with the chunky terrain
Oh man I almost pulled the trigger on EXT coils front and rear. They were like 20-30% off! But I have a new bike not yet on the channel that has me super excited
I feel like its a USA thing to say a bike is too much for a trail. All the people I know in europe I know have an enduro bike or a solid trail bike just because it so versatile. U could ride park, trail, flow or tech on it. Doesn't matter if u could do it on an xc bike or dh bike. Enduro goes for everything here.
Nice alu finish 🤘
The music is a little bit overpowering but overall great content.
This enduro bike build was definitely worth the wait after all, but I am sticking to Trail bike build.
I have another trail bike coming to the channel soon!
Damn that is probably the nicest bike I ever show😮❤
Hey Evan, whats was your rear travel?
230 eye to eye isn't that uncommon on Enduro bikes I've found. Typically you can destroke in 2.5mm increments from 65 down to 57.5. Standard mount I also find easier to get then trunnion mount.
I too, am amazed at how good a heavy enduro bike can climb. 12 speed, 52 tooth can climb almost anything a lighter trail bike does.
Add in a front sprocket at 28t and it's like a snails pace but super easy to climb haha
@@EvansMTBSaga Right. The senior citizen who's walking up the trail will probably pass you, but hey, you're pedaling up that hill instead of hike-a-biking! I have a 32t-52t which seems plenty easy enough, but maybe next time I'll try a 30 or 28.
Would you buy the meta ht tho?
Its not because its a cross-country shock its because its a bit crap, with only rebound and pressure adjustment. since you're a certified baller get your hands on a cane creek coil - and if you can afford it a manitou mezzer or intend edge for some quality suspension.
Oh man I've been drooling over the Intend shocks for quite some time 😍