I built the coolest Mountain Bike, but how does it ride?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Use code EVANSMTB50 to get 50% OFF First Box and free wellness shots for life with any active subscription at bit.ly/3HTTzdh!
Bikes seen in the video:
White/Orange - Polygon D7 SE - bikesonline-us...
Yellow D7 - Polygon - bikesonline-us...
I wrote a detailed review of Polygon Siskiu D7 & D7SE - www.sagamtb.co...
Parts in the video:
Cane Creek Coil shock - collabs.shop/6...
Cane Creek coil fork - amzn.to/4buVEtI
Orange Handguards - amzn.to/49wvuVQ
Orange Ergon grips - collabs.shop/6...
Orange Flo Motorsports Pedals - bit.ly/FloMoto...
Hope rotors orange - collabs.shop/2...
165mm cranks - collabs.shop/5... (Code SAGAMTB for 10% off)
OneUp dropper - collabs.shop/a...
Red/Black Seat Spank Oozy - collabs.shop/6...
Orange Deity seatpost clamp - collabs.shop/s...
PNW Loam dropper lever - collabs.shop/n...
Tools:
Headset cup press - amzn.to/42z7rD7
Bike Repair stand with scale in arm - amzn.to/3ioCsXR
Rubber Mallet - amzn.to/3uVP2R6
Bottom Bracket Removal tool - amzn.to/3X0JIYl
Breaker bar - amzn.to/3YuKoGB
Chain Whip - amzn.to/3vKJAAR
Cassette Lockring Tool - amzn.to/3WQZOnT
6:30 i wanna leave a warning for any amateur wanting to do something a bit jank like this: DO NOT use springs with a larger diameter than intended, if your shock has a piggyback bottle (wich most coils do) there's a chance that the wiggle room on the coil will allow it to smack it on compression. I have destroyed my Fox DHX5.0 like this using a 3.0 spring on a 2.75 shock, it was a great excuse to upgrade to a shock 10 years newer, but it wasn't convenient as i ended up needing custom mounting hardware. Safe to say my christmas plans got OBLITERATED by said problem
I cant lie, the spring part was so damn jank, this is something else man 💀💀💀
I am as jank as most, and I was 😮😮😮 No thanks bruh. My face and fingers are fine in the shape they are.
@@coachcurt7606i like the idea but it would need 3x the zip ties for me to go anywhere near it
If you went over the front its rebound speed on the shock, not the fork. You were on the right track going with checking rebound speed, but at the wrong end of the bike!
I was confused by his claim as well… I really don’t understand how a fast rebound on the fork would cause his rear end to buck … it makes no sense.
And I mean - it was full fast
Having rebound set to the fastest setting on the fork can definitely throw your motion off and then end up nose diving. I had the exact same issue as Evan with an older Fox 36 where the +/- means the opposite of what it should mean, and on a specific kicky jump, I was nose diving every time. And I ride multiple bikes, had no issues with my other bike and no issues now that I fixed this odd rebound setting with the fork. It might be counter intuitive, but fork rebound is definitely a factor and both suspensions must be set in some kind of proper balance to avoid nose diving.
Also, if you're getting bucked, it's often not the rebound but the preload that is causing it. Because air shocks are progressive (inverse curve rather than linear for the nerds) you have too much sag, the suspension can approach the steeper part of the curve and harden unpredictably off lips and in g-outs.
So, often the right thing to do is add air and leave the rebound alone. You typically will need to add a bit of damping after you add preload, but that is secondary. And if you are getting bucked on rock gardens or similar, you may even need to take some rebound damping away to avoid the suspension packing up.
You just made a whole new category of bike just watch all the big bike brands out there start making miniduro bikes keep up the great work man
Haha that'd be funny! Thanks for watching and commenting dude!
It’s called a trail bike, lol..even I ride my trail bikes with 35 or 36mm stanchons. I have an aluminum specialized stumpy with A Helm and a marzochii air piggy back shock..
The easier climbing on the basically paved climbing trails of Bentonville is 100% the 27.5 back wheel, it changed the effective gearing of the bike making it slightly easier to pedal, the trade off is it will not track as smooth up chunky tech climbs. You should try it in full 29er as well, I bet it will handle chunk even better as a full 29er. This is also not the first short travel coil I've seen, my usual LBS recently built a coil shocked Transition Spur for a customer.
I appreciate the comment about everything besides the paved climb bit. That's just ignorance. You should come ride before you cast judgment
There was no judgement.
@@EvansMTBSaga I think what he's saying is a 27.5" wheel changes the effective gearing to be easier to pedal. Which is why you felt it was easier to pedal. The part about "paved" is probably something to do with the "easier to pedal" nature of the 27.5" wheel is negated a bit when the surface is a little more chunky where a 29" might do better.
I didn't hear it as a judgement, more as a qualification for what he was saying.
But you don't need me telling you how to feel. I was just going to say something similar also with no judgement.
Evan you should totally do a dirt jump bike series or video! I think you would love a dirt jumper based off of your bmx racing background. Some railyard clips would be awesome too!
The handguards look a bit cheese, but the bike looks fantastic. You got great style. I've been subbed since you had 2K subs & it's gnarly to see how big this channel has grown!
That colour scheme looks sweet!
Thats one of the sickest trail bike builds i have seen with a more budget frame!
I recently installed a vorsprung smashpot in my 140mm fox 36 on my v4 ripley,,,, my hands used to be thrashed after a couple hours on the bike, but with the smashpot coil kit my hands still felt fresh after 100 miles of the chunky dragonslayer race... coil is KING. End of story
Reliability, comfort and ease of maintenance all in one neat package. As someone who likes to tinker with suspension tho, air is FAR more convenient for setup adjustment, would love to see someone just swapping spings mid trail XD.
Overall as long as it works well for me i don't care that much TBH, and coil really is that much smoother
@@Ferrari255GTO I did the same with a 140 Pike with the Push kit on sale and even the firmer spring (I was between sizes based on weight) I’m not feeling like I would need to adjust too much on trail. My hands thank me for it especially on the smaller repetitive hits and washboard. Way less pain and a more linear fee in the forks.
@@dimimtb for me it depends on what i wanna do, because my one bike is my all in one so i really wanna be able to do just about anything with it, that's why i went with a downhill bike (2009 Demo 8) and why i really like air suspension. I wasn't able to swap my dead DHX5.0 with a correctly sized air one so i just bought a DHX2.0 Factory Series and to be honest i didn't regret it
That really did look like a fun bike to ride. I've wanted to pick up a Polygon full suspension bike for a while now. I can just never find someone selling just the frame, kind of like Nuke Proof frames. They just don't seem to go on sale a whole lot.
mullet bikes always climb better because of the smaller wheel. I'm on a transition spire that i recently put a small back wheel on and oh man it climbs so well, even with the slacker headtube and seat tube
THAT IS SUCH A COOL BIKE!!!
The white coil is just perfect
such an underrated channel
Who says.
He's like number 2 !
i agree
@@stephenscering1776he's underrated because he doesn't get enough attention
I appreciate Evan’s effort and energy, he seems very genuine
@@Whyusadd Yes he is. He even offered me to send a dropper post because of a story i left a year or so ago as long as i was inside the US, wich i'm not (basically silly missmeasurement wich took longer than it should to realize gone wrong) wich i'm not, so i had to decline (Shipping costs too high). Do not ask him for stuff tho, i hadn't asked for anything and he has no obligation to give anyone anything.
I need your state of the art crash animation software, can I get a licence?
Let's go miniduro!
😂🤘
I did the exact same thing with the rebound when I had a suntour fork. 😂
So what you made is a trail bike not a “miniduro”
Dude complete the build with a dirt bike looking fender up front. I saw one that fits in above the fork, beneath the steerer tube
Make a buget enduro bike please
Love ur videos
Really sick bike!
wish i could ride bikes in the winter but it's snow and ice everywhere here
Berm Peak, BCPOV, and imo, Evan have the 3 best MTB channels on RUclips ... I like Phil, Brian and Alex too, but aside from the 2 listed above, nobody is making more quality and original content across the genre. Phenomenal editing, and criminally underrated. Evan would be at 500k easy right now if RUclips had their older algorithm.
I agree but i would also maybe put matty active too he makes some quality content
Thanks man! I tried real hard on this video with almost an entire week devoted to redoing the footage I had and then doing some graphics & music selection
The Rebound is + If you want it to be slower at all suspension brands
Rockshox has a turtle and rabbit instead of + -
The ghetto coil install was awesome! Love it.
Thanks man I thought it was RUclips gold lol
every time evan crashes or nearly crashes: "whats wrong with my bike?" as if he never makes mistakes
I was right too. Rebound was all the way fast. Made my bike deflect hard to the side. I've been riding and racing bikes for 30 years
Quit tour yapping @jethrolindqvst
Great video! From experience though, faster rebound on the front wouldn't normally cause you to get bucked OTB. Usually it causes the opposite effect. I know when I'm hitting big jumps for the first time I often speed up front rebound and slow down the rear just a little to stop me getting bucked and it usually works a charm
Ah I wish I would've explained it better. The bike deflected hard off the lip so I got bucked and flew off to the side
@@EvansMTBSaga ahh that makes a lot more sense!
You should try the jg bike wheels. 114 Poe hubs and super loud for only $224! (145 usd)
You are so cool Evan🤟🏻 Project Monster Bike was by far my Favorit 😎🤝🏻
Actually the best looking bike on this channel, and by far !
Contrats ! But that rear coil shocking really is thé best and most beautifull part
Slaughter pen!!! Howdy neighbor lol
Evan, I think its time to try some light dh bike?Btw such a good video❤
Hey Evans! can you give an underrated entry level bike some love ? Its the Rockrider St530s a full suspension trail bike with 120mm fork and 120mm shock its been my bike for 2 years and im curious to know what other people think about it and how it performs as stock vs fully upgraded
My mans was holding a live bomb with that spring😂
All except for those hand guards, nice upgrades! But the hand guards got to go! I mean, do you go through a lot of overgrown trails?
I don't. It's for aesthetics 😂 they are already off
The Helm MKII coil is my FAVORITE fork of all time. I’ve ridden basically every high end fork (38 factory grip2, 36 factory grip2, Zeb ultimate, lyrik ultimate, ohlins rxf36 m.2 coil and air, DVO diamond, DVO onyx SC, manitou mezzer pro, etc.) and nothing came close to the coil helm. I wish they would make it in a 29” 170mm version because I’d buy one again today.
Any advice on setting it up? It didn't feel particularly special
@@EvansMTBSaga how much do you weigh and which spring weight did it come with? Coil forks won’t feel great without the right coil weight. The cane creek springs come in 10lb/in increments, but you can order ohlins coils for the rxf36 from northwestbicycle and they come in 5lb/in increments for finer tuning. I ended up running a much lighter spring than CC recommended and adding HSC more than I normally do. I also found you can run the rebound a bit faster than air without hurting your hands. This is from the coil having much less friction than air.
If you are lighter than 185ish lbs the damping will feel a tad on the heavy side. If that’s the case, definitely go with a lighter coil weight than you would think. Aim to have the least amount of preload possible as well.
It’s got a very similar damper to Ohlins forks (CC licensed their damper tech for forks and shocks from ohlins). I know you had an ohlins fork years ago. You sort of need to set it up similarly to that, at least damper wise.
@@EvansMTBSaga you shouldn't give too much thought onto it, each one of us has their own preferences and maybe it just doesn't work for you
two minutes into the vid I ALREADY LOVE IT
Try hope tech 3 or 4 anodised orange brakes and rotors 😮
Love comparing old vs new geo numbers!
which rear mudguard did you use?
Super nice build, really like these type of videos 😍. Those hand guards gotta go dude awful
the better uphill performance could be because of the 27.5 in the rear, compared to a 29er you have increased torque
Awesome vid as always!! I love these videos, can’t wait to see what else you have going.
Always love watching you build super interesting bikes evan!!
Thanks Bob!!
I swapped to a rear coil. Have the RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate coil with their Hydraulic Bottom Out system and use a Sprindex adjustable coil. I will never go back to a rear air shock again!
Watching you compress that coil with the zip ties was way too exciting 😅
Haha that was a fun one!
That coil spring compression hack is way less sketchy than the actual coil spring tool, especially the way you loaded the shock before cutting the zip ties. Nice job! Sick bike!
Structure Works cycles seems like that would be a freak build
2:08 this always happens with hex keys.
Evan, is that a 5Dev 7075-T6 aluminum crank, with possibly a 6/4 Titanium chainring?
Trailduro SS build for a road to proline series at railyard. New playful bike with stiffer front and rear suspension than it would normally be on trails.
170/180 hardcore hard tail build 🤌
Coil is very different on a bike and has a lot of positives, people just don't like the weight and PITA to find the right springs.
Coil forks can change a lot with the oil weight you use as well as the spring. You can tune those to oh so good, but then the bike is setup only for you.
I didn't mention in the video, but I'm using a progressive coil so 500-610lbs which could help with set up and might be used for a wider range of riders 🤷 not sure though
When I bought my Rock Shox Judy XC shocks way.....back....in 2000 for
💰471.00🍁 I also had to buy slightly heavier springs. The springs that were in the shocks were only for someone that weighed 160lbs,
; I was about 200 lbs. at the time. So in total there was over 💰500.00🍁😳. I'm ok at math😄. Evan, have you ever worked on rather old suspension forks? These Judy's siezed up. I thought over the years, I thought about having them looked at. I can't now, though, ah well
Have you seen my S-Works retro build? I restored an old Sid in a video. The damper oil was perfect and I could've just left it 😂
@EvansMTBSaga I've seen quite a few of your videos👍👍. I've missed quite a few also. Congrats on your channel growing to what it has🤘🤘. I'm going to quote the Metallica Chairman here "YEAH❗️
A Titanium frame build would be cool. Perhaps one of the BIG Ti frame manufacturers could even sponsor it👍👍; say like MOOTS😏🤘🤘
That coil shock bodge is not just janky - its just a bad idea. At best it is always preloaded so it will negate small bump sensitivity benefits of the coil shock. At worst may also bind and cause damage or safety issues. The stock airshock likely wins in performance, durability and safety. While the + and - on the raidon is not intuitive, its pretty common MTB knowledge that it is referring to more or less rebound compression. Fox is similar as far as I am aware. Bikes looks cool with coil shocks though. I said it on a previous comment and I'll say it again, I think a size M would suit you better if u can handle the reduced reach. It just seems like ur chasing ur tail with your mods.
It was still too soft off the top so I had to add preload
I meant that it already is in a state of preload as it had to be squashed to fit in the shock. If you added more preload to it thats even worse for small bump sensitivity. Not too sure what you mean by "soft off the top". Coil springs are meant to have low stiction and feel supple. If the sag was too high then a higher spring rate in the form of a different spring is the technically best solution. In the words of Ben cathro " preload is the devil and should be avoided at all costs"
This was fun. I also loved the commentary on standover height. I've been feeing like my 2015 Norco Fluid 7 is putting me too forward, and I've had some OTB crashes. Now to check out my standover height and see what I can do... Probably just need a new ride though.😅
Aw man! 2015 bikes are in a weird spot where the industry couldn't decide on standards. So swapping to a new frame would mean wheels wouldn't work. Dang new standards
@@EvansMTBSagaYeah, good point. Given where prices are on bikes/frames right now, I think a new frame is my best way forward anyway.
Idea: drop bar vs flat bar short-travel trail full suspension.
Oh dang! Thats a crazy idea!. Thanks man I'll look into that
I got the double barrel coil and it is awesome for my stump jumper
Nice! I really wanna try some specialized bikes
I have the cane creek helm mk2 air version on my Giant trance X 29, the quality of travel is excellent, probably the best air fork I ever owned.
I'd like to try a coil version but I already have a RST stitch coil. Thing is RST service parts are scarcely distributed among shady online dealers... Currently looking for seals, I'm due for a change 🙈
Good luck with that! I had to order a custom mounting adapter for my new shock because the trunnion diameter was different to the original one, there's not a lot of compatibility for 2009 bikes in 2018 components...
Can you run a coil rear shock without voiding the warranty?
I'm not sure. I've searched the polygon warranty before and couldn't find a lot of info
Same. I’ve scheduled a call with Ethan tomorrow with bikesonline to ask that question. I’ll let you know Evan!
Per customer service at Bikesonline (USA).
The rear suspension can use a coil shock. It recommended to stay with same travel specifications as the original shock - E2E: 210x55mm, Hardware: M8x25mm.
Hope this helps. Still trying to figure out about adding 10mm of travel on the front fork. 😳
what about the brakes? they are still only the MT 200s
Any fitness update videos coming?
What ratchet sets do you use with the Allen keys?
Short travel bikes can be awesome. My Optic rips and I went coil in my Pike with a Push kit and love the coil fork. I have a RS Super Deluxe in the same size and always wonder what a coil would feel like. Why do you have to do this to me 😂.
Rockshox makes a coil SD in the same size, 190x45 and now the one you’re using. Seems like a fun excitement. It’s calling to me…..
Who says short travel bike can be awesome? It is awesome do a side by side trail ride on short vs long travel on trails you will find short travel more awesome than longer travel bike. But of course if we go pure downhill enduro or downhill bike is the way to go. But if you have 60% climb 20% trail features and 10% downhill which is the usual trails we have. Honestly i keep short and enduro bike. As i get old im starting to think of gettibg emtb with 150m rear travel in between enduro and trail
It's just preference, @@marklouieadame i myself prefer longer travel, i like the stability and comfort an enduro or DH brings, you can bash them and not worry even a bit. I know i would've broken stuff in another bike if i did some of the things i have done with my bike because most of the mid or low travel bikes just aren't ment to plow through stuff. No bike is invalid, but they each have their own advantages. Well, except the fancy gravel bikes, thoose tyres are a joke honestly...
I personally love the look of handgaurds!
Thank you for the video Evan 👍
Evan, a 7000 series aluminum Thomson X4 stem, a Thomson Titanium seatpost, and one of their Titanium riser bars would look Great on this bike!👍👍. Also, one of their 7000 series aluminum Glacier seatpost clamps🤘🤘 "YEAH❗️"
Getting experimental!
Minduro😅
Interesting stuff 🤔
Greetings from Croatia from Kris 😎
The left side crank arm looks like a 5Dev👍👍, but not the drivestrain side🤨
Nope that's just how the inside of a GX crank looks
@EvansMTBSaga OK, cool. Have you looked into 5Dev's gorgeous 7075-T6 aluminum, and what I believe is their 3/2.5 Titanium cranks and 6/4 Titanium chainrings?
The d series look like they have a higher stand over than the t series, could be wrong but looks like it
Oh yeah it's substantially higher. I tried a large T8 and was surprised how low the seat goes
Hopefully that fork will be more predicable
Mini dh?
Why did you put hand guards on?
Looks
Lol 😂
Lol loving the upgrade 👍
You could cut 10mm off the top of the seat tube, along with extending the slot.
That's super sketch!
@@EvansMTBSaga I trimmed an inch off my old Turner 5-Spot and rode it for 9 years without any issues.
@@ThisGuyRidesI’ve read up on this before and seems a fair amount of people have done it. Scariest part for me would be not measuring correctly and not leaving enough seat tube for the seat clamp to slide onto.
500-610 Lbs?
That rear coild is way to stiff for your weight + by using the zip ties to fit it in you just blown all the preload so that coidl should feel hard as hell.
And you feel stiffer at the end of the stroke becuase that is a cane creek progressive coil (white ones), but most of the coil suspensions have regular coils those are completely the opposite, are totally linear and there's no way to add that extra stiffness at the end of the travel.
I weigh 190 with gear on. Plus a 45mm stroke, that's what it recommended
Go back to the air fork to shed some weight
Did you just preloaded spring by 5mm?😮
Yes and preloaded even more before I rode it. It was really bouncy
@@EvansMTBSaga I see your point. Did you try increasing compression damping before preloading it that much?
Oh yeah definitely messed with every setting. It was a little difficult to set up at first
Please please please upgrade the brakes, you can’t have ti bolts on the lowest end shimano brakes.
Haha you're the only one that commented on the ti bolts! Haha 😂😂 but this bike was a proof of concept. I still have some exploring to do with what will be my go-to "fun" bike
Lol that shock looked like porky pine.
I hope i can have one of those polygon bikes coz today i cant afford to buy it
wouldn't a miniduro just be a trail bike?
Good idea splitting the screen for sponsors
Coil bind is real.
Race it!
Hi there evan, Love the vids. Quick question… do you think hope tech 3 brakes are good?
No clue! Never tried them. I've seen them in person and got to squeeze them. I'm not even sure how much they cost
As far as i know hope makes good stuff overall, but they may take more maintenance and care than others to stay at peak, so they're not as reliable. Personally i can't justify the absurd prices and there's loads of more economic options that will do the work just as good with less hussle
@@Ferrari255GTO okay, cool thanks i’ve got the tech 3’s but want to replace them with magura mt sport
@@EvansMTBSagaOk i see, thanks for the reply!
I believe you are v sauce
With all the talk about the rear spring/shock, did anyone else notice that the bike is way under braked? Those brakes are not enough to cope with this bike's intended use.
Agreed, but in Bentonville, we don't have any really steep sections
anyone reccomending me an 120mm coil? 😅
Video idea
Find the cheapest bike you can find and try to make it trail worthy
Could be fun to watch
personally i think it would be really fun for you to make a budget dirt jumper so we can get your opinion on whether or not its worth it to spend money on a separate bike rather than jumping your current one
Oh good idea!
@@EvansMTBSaga thanks lol i liked this video it reminds me of sad to rad or high vs low
Love me a good Jerry-rigging, honestly not even that cringe tho.
The more I thought about my Jerry rigging, the safer it sounded. I could pretty much compress the spring 5mm by hand. It probably was only 60-90 pounds of force. So a spring explosion wouldnt really happen
I want too see a budget xc hardtail turned into a monster agressive hardtail
is that a bmx racing trophy behind you?
Yup! From one of my Grands wins, but I condensed it down
@@EvansMTBSaga sweet dude!
@@EvansMTBSaga I've been thinking about getting into mtb and looking at getting a polygon as well
Nice man. It's a good brand to get started with!
Why do you spend so much money on crap bikes you may as well buy a decent one
Every time I watch this guy I think the same thing
He has bought multiple nice bikes but no matter how much he spent he preferred the geo of the cheap bike so he bought the next gen version of it and tuned it up
Crap Bike ?? maybe some people don’t wanna spend over 4,000 dollars on a bike nothing wrong with polygon at all, their great bikes man i’d really recommend a polygon
.
@@Landon_Andel21 they are crap
Cause it’s fun to watch
homemade hand grenade
status with xc travel
Sounds fun!
The bigger the channel gets the worse the rigs are getting, all to please the sponsors. You have had way better bikes than this before.
But hey if you’re happy, that’s all that counts 👍
Open to recommendations!
@@EvansMTBSaga I liked the stuff you put out pre Polygon, the bikes are ok but I feel you can only do so much with them and maybe it is to keep the sponsors happy, but I like when you get a random brand bike and custom the shit out of it. Like I said though dude, if you’re happy that’s all that counts 🔥🤙
PS still enjoy the content regardless 👍
I hope you saw the video before this one, RSD Middlechild made into a snow bike. I do have an alloy vs steel Hardtail video coming out in the near future. Next up is another polygon, but that's to ask the viewers about what they wanna see out of a possible High Low season 2
@@EvansMTBSaga I watch all your videos dude, always have 👍 just giving my opinion.
@@PAB_OUTDOORS No worries, I appreciate your opinion. The comments are the best part about making the videos so thanks for leaving some feedback. I'm always looking to get better!
It looks like a ktm😂🫶
30% sag isnt set in stone. And sounds like to much.😊