300mm vs 200mm of suspension, Does more travel = more speed?
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- What do you think makes for a faster bike? More travel? Or will 200mm do just fine as long as it has modern geometry? In this video I compare the 300mm Boostmonster against my 200mm Rocky Mountain Maiden at the Sunpeaks bike park!
Are you surprised by the results? What were your expectations?
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300mm vs 200mm of suspension, Does more travel = more speed?
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The consistency of the 300mm beating the 200mm, is clear. It might be due to increased confidence, but not bouncing around as much might be key as well. Seeing what you are doing makes me want to brush off by mullet BigHit and give it a go once more.
Back in the olden days, we called this monster trucking down a trail. Just blasting through everything, not across everything lol. A friend had a Karpiel Disco Volante with a Shiver that would give us this feeling. Never got to try the Super Monster. Wish I could have.
I just “retired” my 2003 big hit for a demo 8 😂
my main bike is a 2008 BigHit 3 S works with a 2011 boXXer and all modern parts
That's a cool comparison. It would be interesting for you to include your friends in this also and let them experience the 300 on film and see which one they feel more comfortable with etc
that's a good idea!
@@JordanBoostmaster Then a friend crashes on an unknown bike and the Monster T smashes on rocks. 😮
The coolest thing ever would be a custom frame designed around the super monster
there is , Josh Benders Karpiel is 12'' rear sus , he ran 12'' Risse champ big foot's upside down forks .
There are a lot of frames designed for it
Or better yet, that WTF (Without Telescopic Fork) front suspension design, but set up for 250mm+ of travel.
I love pre 07 marzocchi. Anytime I see then in good condition for sale I scoop them up. Glad to see that monster in good hands. I'm also not surprised to see the Boost monster out performe the Maiden
yeah man, old school rules! Love this series. I`ve built 2002 Specialized Enduro with same decade components and smashing it the whole season in different bikeparks. It still alive and so far is my favorite bike (I have 7 of them)
The footage comparison literally looks like a comparison between HyperSmooth off vs on. Suspension working some real magic.
it would be interesting how a really modern bike with like full 29 inch wheels and high pivot would compare tbh
Really love the work on this video. So stoked to see that the boostmonster works so good ❤
Speaks to the work you put in to the bikes, JB. Not surprised that the Monster can more than hold its on with upgrades.
Such an awesome video! We need to do one of these together at somepoint haha! I think the boostmonster may have a friend coming soon!
ya I agree! That would be so fun, I am very curious what kind of bike you have!
Jordy ma man, you realy got your hand around this 3K suspensions prototip.. It is wild to watch when the fork goes all the way down.. Keep it RAD man 🤠
This guy inspires me to continue riding
Awesome! The line choices that 300mm opened up must be considered on timing too!
Also, high center of gravity means more stability, since it's harder to tip you out. Imagine trying to balance a broom with the palm of your hand, instead of a pencil. It also makes it harder to turn in, since you need to start the movement sooner. You really should put some money on a custom steel bike with modern geometry and 300mm of travel. Even if someone just made the Bosstmonster longer and slacker on the likes of Mondrake's.
Cheers!
I love the reaction @4:06😀 That bike is a Monster
I wondered if the smaller wheel size would translate into poorer traction in corners? There oughta be more tread on the ground with the bigger wheel size. Awesome video - love to see old bikes being kept alive!! I wonder if your experience might warrant brands building "super DH" bikes with 300mm travel? That extra travel preserves rims, frames... riders lol. With the huge features out there I think it makes sense.
I don’t think the amount of tread matters as much since it’s about the same but I think the difference would be because the smaller wheel gets bumped around by stuff more
compound matters most
Jordan, the brake you really need on the boostmonster is grimeca system 17!!!
Yesssss.
Such a cool and unique bike (the boostmonster).
Would be great to see the boost monster in some rocky/roots tech and the maiden in more flow jump trails !
I wonder if just 50mm extra travel would've sufficed. 12 inches of travel is quite a bit, it would be interesting to test 1-inch at a time between 8 and 12 inches of travel to figure out what's truly optimal. Also, frame sizes of 120, 135, and 150 are referencing wheelbase in CM, right? If so, do you think getting a long 150cm wheelbase on the boostmonster would make it feel "less tall" and more like the Maiden but with more travel? Another thing I wonder is if different amounts of travel front and rear would have benefits similar to the staggered wheel diameter "mullet" bikes.
I think this comparison shows the Boostmonster's edge. Just a sweet Old Skool rig, shredding it. Excellent looking trails as well. You BC lads are spoiled for choice!! Cheers, mate!
We need a bike sponsor to come onboard for a modern geometry 300mm build 🤞🏻
It probaby wouldn't be possible to make the geometry modern without making the bike very, very weird but it'd be possible to make something close to what'd be considered modern
Ya dude, that was great to see.
A cloud and a monster truck had a kid while marzocchi watched and Jordan is like "let's put it on a bike"
Use this comment as a vote for him to put it on a hardtail
I need one of those evil imperial hardtail frames that actually work with this!
You really should build a huck bike
@@JordanBoostmaster You could get a custom frame done pretty cheaply by Marino (few hundred bucks I think?), so it could be designed specifically for that fork
@@JordanBoostmaster Holy heck yeah!!!! Insanely rare frames. I really want one too. I'd pay money to see you on one! 😂😂😂
@@JordanBoostmaster could u put the 300mm boostmonster on a 29er morden DH bike next time?
Cool vid, I have a modern 29 enduro off of a 06 Giant DH as my last bike so I love these vids. I havnt ridden the DH in 3 years now I want to after watching this. On strictly rough DH there is something about a heavier bike that I kinda like, it smooths out stuff you would deflect off on a light bike, you basically just smash it 😂😂
It's good to see you don't need anything like new to have a fun effective bike (if you know what you're doing) and there's the satisfaction that you made this rather than an off the shelf bike.
yes true!
I'd be interested to see this comparison with a factory dh bike as the modern on and with a pro dh racer doing the comparison
My man Jordan’s running 300mm while I’m over here rocking the 100mm hardtail special
Cool video!
I also love those brakes. I have been riding the Hope Tech3 V4 on my Hardtail since 2019 and equipped my trailbike with some Magura MT Trails having had great experiences with the MT5.
I was so disapointed with the Magura ones that i recently boughr a pair of the new Hope Tech4 E4 and i will never buy from another brake-brand again
id love to see you compare it to your maiden with a 29" set up, or at least a mullet with a 29" up front. I think that would change the results a lot. really cool video
Awesome comparison, can't deny the flow of older bikes with high centers, weight matters, my legend is slower than my scream almost 10lb difference
I feel like this shows it's not about having the "fastest bike/geo" but having a bike you feel comfortable on will let you ride faster
Old school fr/dh bikes rocks! The Boostmonster is Sick! 😎
Time doesn't matter.
It's all fun factor!! That's what matters.. Cool build!!
I'd love to see a modern huck monster. A lighter more modern geo boostmonster or something like the evil imperial which is essentially a hardtail dirt jumper with downhill forks. They probably wouldn't be any good for competition but for freeride and park fun, they'd be sick.
Maybe I should put my dh forks on my honzo ESD?
Love the work Jordan.
Would have never thought that
Each video of yours makes me want to ride my bike more and more, even if I have 130mm less travel. Video Content 100%. Commentary 100%. Stoke level 500%. Keep up the good work! 👊
Might have to change your yt channel name to boostmonster!
wow thanks so much!
Jordan should make the next Grimm doughnut as a dh bike and the 300mm
Would be so sick if you could build a bike with more modern Geo and this suspension setup.
I agree!
@@JordanBoostmaster yeah, it would be so interesting to see some custom frame with modern geo and supermonster. I've never seen any in youtube and I guess it would be a blast!
It's possible to do, but it'd be hard designing a frame like that
Brooooo, I love love love this bike and your content, esprcially with this bike
Gotta wonder how much is psychological too. Knowing you have endless travel is a confidence booster. You should do a comparison to show how many times you surpassed 200mm of travel on that fork!
I saw this video in live for the first time on the Jordan boostmaster channel
The fit goes sooo hard with the boostmonster maaannnnn
I kinda wanna know like. yeah it can go faster. But does it feel "Or is it" safer? Cause going faster and crashing doesn't really result in "faster" overall. I guess technically I don't think a few seconds here and there is gonna matter when just going out to ride for fun. But if we are talking about DH racing. Does bigger mean faster WITH less chances of falling over. I really wish you could get a nice slack bike with those on it. Just to see. Maybe find a shocks sponsor and have them make a custom 300+mm fork on a newer bike xD
it does take getting used to this bike, I still have to be careful at times when the trail gets tighter!
Need to see this thing at wind rock
Hey I really love these videos can I ask I just got my gopro hero 11 do I use your gopro hero 10 settings for the best result?
Love me some Sun Peaks content. Also, did you see there’s a doppelgänger of you on the new Pink Bike Academy?
whos my doppleganger?!
@@JordanBoostmaster Finnish rider called Tarmo Ryynanen.
Love the Boostmonster footage!!
I'll keep waiting for boostmasters bungalo but i still think your the best rider right now dude 🤙
Get a 2 degrees head tube slacker kit I put it on my 68.5 stumpy to make it 66.5 it makes a worlds different
@@dezzydiamond7121 could be but head tube angle does give more confidence on berms and is more planted
If he started selling Boostmonsters, they would sell out in an instant 😂
I definitely love my DH bike over my Enduro bike in the bike park .
More travel does add a lot to things
Dream outcome would be to have custom, modern geo frame made for the fork and rear suspension. I mean, keep the linkages and shock, but in a longer, slacker package.
I think it's time that you enter the Boostmonster in a DH Race!
I think so too!
It would be sick to partner with a frame builder and get a custom Ti or steel frame made to adapt the 300mm fork to modern geo to drop the CoG and and lose some weight. Then you could have more coil shock options if you can define the clearance. Then while you're at it, throw a Pinion gearbox in there :D
Boostmaster rules!
LOVE Sun Peaks. Not as good as Whistler, but the no lift lines part almost makes Sun Peaks better.
I wish someone would build a frame just for these forks! Modern geometry but with 300mm on the back and corrected angles to suit those forks. That would be quite some bike!
I would love to see a custom made frame designed to use this fork. It would be amazing.
yes I agree :)
@@JordanBoostmaster do it!!!
3rd person footage is the BEST
ya thanks!
You need to do a race with that for sure!
I agree!
I think you should compare on other frames of this time period like giant faith2 I have seen people with 300mm
Gotta compare your times on Strava!
I think a full 29er dh bike may well negate the extra 100mm travel on the boostmonster due to better role over and not getting hung up on square edge hits as easily. Would be a cool comparison
Imagine this type of bike being made with 2022 technology. Sounds super fun
you should get a custom frame built with modern geo that has 300mm of travel and slap those forks in it 👀
What do you suppose it would require to reduce the weight on the Norco? Do you think there could be anyone out there to machine thinner lighter forks which could accept the Marzochi inserts for example? Maybe a custom air shock for the rear, probably you could save a small amount of weight with the cranks those cranks kinda looked middle of the road at a glance...?
Put the boostmonster in the maiden please! Yes, the rear doesn't have 300mm, but getting a custom frame will be a lot more expensive and will take a lot longer. That being said, it still would be awesome!
Did you ever think about contacting Pinkbike (Grimmdonut like project) or Alutech (german bike maufacturer that build their own grimm donut version because pinkebikes took so damm long) to get a modern low and long frame manufactured for a 300mm fork?
Not sure you can, would need a tapered steerer for the old Super Monster and not sure if that can even be done.
i really wish bikes went in the boostmaster direction and not the all mountain FR direction back in the early 2000s
You should design a frame around that suspension
The high speed rebound issue could actually help you. Like say it’s you do a big huck into a rock garden. The suspension will decompress quite fast, which bends you arms more, and then the suspension can take big hits; While still in a big compression.
well it causes instability which affects my confidence of course!
i think this depends on the trail and riding level. eg for a WC DH racer it wont make much sense to go with a 300mm bike it doesnt respond fast enough
that could be!
Pls do review of Freeride/Slopestyle saddle you have tried
If i remember correctly, you got cushcore for this bike.
I think that there is a possibility that it will not work great on the boost monster, cushcore (with the knowledge I have) is not so good at dampening those big hits.
It's great for stabilizing the tire, so I would recommend vittoria airliner the big boi pool noddle.
don't bully me if other insert
yes I got a cushcore for the front, tannus armour for the rear. I also bought the vittoria airliner so I could try that too
I'm blown away how much faster the Boostmonster was in some of those sections! Damn that bike is sick :D
Sun Peaks always looks like a great time too! Cheers buddy, YEEWWW!!!! 😃👊🤘
Put that fork on the Grim donut from pinkbike (channel) that would be more balanced and longer
To slacken the geometry, The Thing clearly needs a larger front wheel. Is that feasible?
The Monster looks just so epic.
Anyone has been counting sick word here? :D Nice video!
Cool stuff!
As Barelli tested the grim donut, make him test your bike plz
I'd say see if you could get a DH Pro or priveteer to do a comparison, sure your an amazing rider, but I feel thst your riding style is better for sending it big rather than consistent speed.
How it doesn’t snap?!
Hey good vieo.But can you come in Slovenia in the bike park Kočevje.If you can.Just a suggestion.
A 150% more travel would mean 500mm of absolute travel. (200mm + 150%)
In fact it's a 50% more travel. (200mm x 150%)
Check your calculator.
But nice video anyway. 😄
alright haha
Was gonna say the same lol but we forgive you Jordan lol no worries bro.
9:50 "MAGGOTS, I'LL SHOW YOU HOW ITS DONE!"
Funny. I am a fan of little suspension, I'm riding enduro trails on my 120mm downcountry bike (it has really progressive geometry though at 66deg HA and very long reach). I might not be the fastest, but I hardly ever get dropped by enduro bike riders
Also. Jumping on that thing must feel like wrangling a cow. xD
Nice video 👍
i hope you will get to 400k by the end of the year
What about a 200mm 29er bike? Wouldn't it be faster as its the defacto race bike in UCI DH?
I know there is a lot of talk of superior geometry in contemporary DH and freeride bikes but honestly... not so sure. Not saying there hasn't been improvements but not sure it is quite as clear cut as some think.
Obviously has been some big strides in many areas though, some of these older linkage designs aren't up to modern standards and of course modern bikes are significantly lighter.
old school send it!! now all you need is some 3" gozzaloddi's
Alguien sabe qué rodilleras trae puestas en el vídeo? , gracias
What’s that coming down the hill is it a monster is it a monster yeah Jordan thank you for putting the time an effort to make these comparisons because I would love to see these two bikes at the World Cup. track in Fort William as you live in Canada Mount Saint Anne We’ll have to do lol as these two are the most naughtiest World. Cup tracks on the planet be a good test for both bikes
Heck, MSA also has super gnarly tech double blacks for even more fun !
@@WilliamLevesqueineX yes true trying to tame MSA is even more fun specially on the Boost monster No offense to Jordan but I think he needs to let the bike do the work a bit more I always say you the best way to ride a DH bike is Just hang on and let the bike do the work providing you have the skills And let the bike do its job and not fight it too much
really cool! SuperMonster the best!
I think the Maiden would smoke the Boostmonster once you feel more comfortable on it. You definitely seem more confident on the BM. We can hear it in this video just by the commenting while riding and by seeing you ride from a 3rd person perspective. :P
what mudguard do you use on the marzocchi i’m looking at mud gaurds for my z1 coil
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I honestly think that all this depends on what u wanna ride. Coz if u wanna huck big jumps u would probs want 300mm but if u wanna do dh 200mm would be better
that is true