Causality = Miura He's actually gearing up to shatter the 4th wall so utterly that he ushers in an era of fantasia upon the real world. Get ready for it, the hiatuses are simply for gaining power.
Ricardo Santos The one fantasy world I could do without. That and Game of Thrones. No one wants die an early death. Though now that I think about Game Of Thrones I really want to see Guts fighting the whitewalker army in his Berserker armour. That would be quite the site.
Demon Child =/= Femto's new vessel Egg Apostle = Femto's new vessel ... The Demon Child was merely a jumping fish in that moment in Causality's flow, and just happen to land back in the water fused with Femto's new vessel, not the vessel itself. This fusion will surely be Femto's downfall in the future, as he may be having to fight an inward battle along with his outward ones.
The demon child is his new vessel. It literally shows it transforming into Femto's new body. The Egg of the Perfect World is acting as its womb, so to speak.
I took it has how twins in a womb sometimes merge into one fetus. And the Demon Child was the consumed twin, as Femto was already going to be birthed into his new form from just the Egg Apostle. Though, looking at it again, I could see that the Egg Apostle may have had just the yoke. Needing fertilization, that could be the Demon Child's role as you said.
Sorry to continue the argument, though the reason why I see it this way is a scene from The Hill Of Swords when, and I quote, Femto says " My blood... ...Should have been frozen. These feelings... ...Must belong to that infant... That fused into my vessel." (Chapter 179). Femto says it as if the Demon Child wasn't the vessel at all, but as I said before, just something that Causality didn't really plan for.
Fused into his vessel. His body obviously isn't *just* the demon child. If it was, he'd look like the mutated child still. The "fusion" simply means his "self" and its "self" that came into being because of the Egg of the Perfect World.
I will miss potato Casca, she was so cute. But it's been really to long. I want to see Caska come to her senses and finally face her demons. '' Remember, I can at least watch your back''. I hope she does.
skull knight is the true ultimate badass. he raised a kingdom so strong that it took angels to destroy it. he fought until his body bled out and all his bones were broken. and afterwards became a giant metal skeleton that knows tge future and fight gods. he even made a sword out of eggs so powerful it can cut through space time.q
Yo I showed my friend who's way into Berserk your channel and he loves it. Thanks for giving our friendship a whole batch of new inside-memes from your videos to circlejerk about.
Caspianm2 Tbh, there's not a lot else to say in regards to the I.O.E. I'd still be down if Ze made a video on it, but he'd probably have to talk about the lost episode and it's significance in whole.
I think causality in Berserk is everything that is outside the individual's control. Griffith caused the eclipse, and it only happened because of Griffith. Griffith shaped causality, because he was acting on his own will - the hand of god stated that what happened happened 'in accordance with causality', because this instance of causality was shaped by Griffith - they even waited for Griffith to say the words 'I sacrifice' - what would happen if he refused? If Guts had asserted his own destiny, he would not have come back to rescue Griffith. If that didn't happen, then the eclipse wouldn't happen, because the Band of the Hawk would not be able to rescue Griffith. So basically, Guts surrendered to causality, by not continuing to assert his own free path. I think Guts admitted that part of what happened was his fault, during the conviction arc.
When you talk about the goal of Casuality in Berserk, it reminds me of the plan of a similar Eldrich Deity in the Legacy of Kain series. Wherein It isn't about an end goal, it's about keeping the cycle, the wheel of fate, moving endlessly. If you are the being at the centre of that wheel, sustained by it somehow, why would you want it to end?
I think the main difference is that an Eldritch being exists before humanity and is far above human comprehension, with an eternal goal we can't quite understand, but the IOE was born FROM humanity's collective evil and desire for a single evil entity to blame, so i would say it probably does have a (very bad) end goal, at least for its stupid creators.
+ShangyW That said, IOE in that respect only exists due to humanity. Without them it wouldn't, so I don't see it having an end goal other than maintaining the status quo which guarantees it's continued existence. If anything you could infer Fantasia only made IOE stronger, as the collective subconscious belief it was created from, would be greatly re-enforced by the sudden rise of "monsters" in the world.
Well from what I gathered in reading the lost chapter. The Idea of Evil actually came into existence from the desires and sins of Man. Thus... whatever Man TRULY desires... is what the Idea of Evil is ultimately working towards. So with that in mind... what is it that all humans desire?... *bum bum BUM*
A good story. Ganeishka's cruelty and Griffith apocalyptically defeating him are part of a grand messianic tale for humans. Geneishka and Griffith were both following the same will.
The point of IoE is to give "meaning" to man's suffering. War, disease, sickness, etc. Rather than having them just be inevitable to being alive as a human, it's from the will of a higher force.
I think that youtubers like this must be more appreciated, i mean, how much time and hard work they put into this smart kind of content, not gameplays, challenges etc. So good job op. ;) As Berserk fan absolutely loved this vid
I think evil wants to leave the astral plane and Femto is the one that will create the bridge for it. A great example is how other creatures from the astral plane came into existence once Femto gained a physical body. Evil just probably needs more things to happen in the physical world (things Femto will accomplish) for it to manifest itself into the physical plane.
This was yet another very insightful video. :) Ever since I saw the IOE and the concept of "Causality" the world of Berserk felt MORE than just a story...
The purpose of Berserk is crying out into the darkness and rejecting the fate the lies in weight for you Griffith should have led his life as a poor beggar Guts should haves died as a baby and countless other times on the battle field Casca should have led her life as a street girl But they all rejected their fate
Someone please correct me if I am explicitly wrong about this. But isn't the "Idea of Evil" a manifestation created by humans to give meaning to their suffering? And in that sense, does not have ANY will of its own. When Griffith asked what he should do the "Idea of Evil" told him to essentially just do whatever he wanted, because they share a will, and the "Idea of Evil" shares a will with everyone because it IS everyone... in a sense... I think... Feedback would be appreciated.
Sure, but what's the difference? As far as I can tell it is an ethereal non-being which exists to make things "the way they are supposed to be". Whatever that means.
Well he's using the dragonslayer because it has enough mass and sturdyness to go through any demon armor in the first place. And now it's even imbued with otherworld aura that lets it kill anything. If he would be using a katana it would have to be sharp as fuck, otherworldly sharp.
Skull Knight: ''I'm gonna kill that fucker Femto with my OP new sword'' **swings** **Hits space-time instead** **ends up merging the astral and physical worlds** Griffith: **smiling** Skull Knight: ... ''Shit.''
This explains that even if we get a hiatus every now and then, causality will ensure that we will get a completed Berserk. Keep jumping little fish but we're patiently waiting for you to come back down and finish writing the manga.
The idea of evil = the collective unconscious of humanity throughout time and space. The god hand = the archetypes of consciousness If you want to know what these terms mean, read Carl Jung
Thanks a lot zegodhand! that actually cleared berserk up a lot for me. didn't read 83 until now, so I never really took into account fates and causality and all that stuff.
The Idea of Evil's existence mirrors Gut's own. As a child, Gut's was blamed as a cursed child for bringing horrible calamities to the people around him. Where as The Idea of Evil was born out from the need to blame all of mankind's problems on something. Guts has been fighting "fate" all his life. The Idea of Evil however simply accepted its role in the wheel of fate and never tried o deviate.
I'm on the side that what makes Guts a special individual after the eclipse is his ability to act independent of his proposed Fate. Skull Knight references it even (even referencing the quote you mentioned regarding the fish), and it is such a hinted at story element (and one befitting the character when you consider their unlikely origins) that considering the opening quote is in the form of an interrogative, it'd be silly not to consider it a very real possibility. Plus, it further makes him the appropriate foil for Griffith: One being an absolute instrument of fate and causality, the other being the one who Struggles against it and very well might be able to bend it by the force of will. After all, if you are taking the IoE as canon, then you MUST accept it's self explained origin as the manifestation of mankind's will. Your theory leaves out who control's the puppet master... The will of Man. And if nothing else, Guts has shown to be an absolute force of nature when it comes to his strength of will.
guts is outside of the flow of causality. he was born of the dead, and he constantly evades certain death. he's the anti-griffith, who's the poster child for causality and destiny
The way I understood the idea is that it's the manifestation of what all people really want deep inside of themselves. Because they hate the world and it's hardships the idea is that of evil. I felt like the chapter was cut because it's too much of a spoiler. The new brighter world that Berserk is currently in might be an attempt of the idea to create a better world for everybody, but if it won't find a solution it might as well just end it to get rid of the issue.
"fate" is quite something guts wouldn't be called the struggler if he weren't always operating in spite of fate that coupled with, whatever is gearing this "causality", assuming it knows many of the things in the universe i'd imagine guts would have to be something new that "the thing controlling causality" hasn't experienced yet. that could be one way that guts is allowed to be a struggler, maybe
As I conceive the causality in berserk is caused by the "Idea of evil" but is not like fate, is like a calculation to achieve a purpose, but the real world is a chaos so the causality has flaws and just something unexpected like a baby born from a corpse can change the results of the causality.
Your either stuck on the straight path like Griffith, with your journey meticulously controlled by 'fate' or your stuck on the zigzag path like Guts, which lays over the straight path and allows you freedom when your at the furthest points left or right in the zigzag- 'free will'- but the paths will always intersect at places when fate needs to pull back for certain events where these paths meet, like the pseudo eclipse in conviction. Theres no free will, and you can't change anything ultimately, but you may find that the end of the path hasn't been made yet- leaving you free to go wherever you want once you reach the end... if the path even does end...
Gut's is like a metaphor for the struggle of man against causality. Mankind thinks it has freewill and we are more productive when we are convinced of it. But even our will is driven by causality. Every decision we make had a cause. Everytime we encounter a stimuli neurons fire and neurochemicals are released and there is a domino effect that goes through your brain and nervous system and the decision you make is ultimately preset. Everything that happens in the universe is just a chain reaction, but humans resist that concept.
I always saw it like in the world of Berserk every human is trapped in the wheel of causality but Gutz exists outside of it because he was born from a corpse.
Fate/Causality: You've already made the choice, now you seek to understand the choice. If our vision was not limited to the three dimensions of space, time would lose meaning and we would be able to perceive the paths of all things in our physical universe at once. Past, present, and future would be all one thing. Sort of like a point moving from position A to position B really being just a stationary line segment as viewed in 2 dimensions.
If Guts and Caska were jumping fish by surviving like SK stated(Though, not really seeming like the most reliable source of information now) and the demon child having been born seemingly in the astral planes(Over which we are not sure how much influence the IOE has, except in the deeper ones), i wonder if the demon child could be the one entity completely outside causality, it would be a very awesome concept.
Anytime I hear this song or any of the anime's songs, I get all teary eyed. Idk the music in the old anime is so moving that I was on the verge of crying when watching this XD
new to the show and lore and that's why I'm here. but if I may use my studies to help simplify this concept... free will: the idea that you can choose what kind of sandwich or meal you want to eat today. casualty: the inevitability of the fact that no matter what you choose to have right now, you ARE hungry(or you DO have to eat) and you will need to eat again. one is an option based on circumstances available the other is an inevitable fact of nature that must be dealt with somehow
Who knows what the future holds for the characters of Berserk. but that said its best to think of Causality as Miura's own mind and what super dimensional Force or Forces may lay in the far reaches of the Berserk World.
So causality is the purpose to why it happened and fate is a final destination. Causality has no free will but there is in fate. Say I killed someone, you could say I’m fated to kill him, how it was done doesn’t matter but in causality u wouldn’t argue he was fated to kill him, you would say something like his rationality was always meant to collapse. Your anger would give root to your rage which in turn forms ur wrath and is the reason why you killed him. Idk if I’m right or wrong so if I’m wrong someone correct me. I’m still tryna understand this😭
Well if that clipse didnt have any power like in our world and Griffith didnt have the "red egg thing", I'm pretty sure what would have happened was Griffith kills himself as you see him trying to impale himself on the branch. Then Casca would remain the as leader of the Hawks then Guts and Casca would bary him in a grave. Then Guts would go on his journey that he said he was doing then leave the Hawks again. Then the Hawks would probably invade the castle out of vengeance for Griffith or they would do something else.
I think that Guts and SK will kill the existing Godhead, and Guts will be instated as the new 'first' Godhead. There were 'four angels' who visited the wizard dude that is assumed to be Void, and now they no longer exist as far as we know. I think the endgame of the Idea of Evil is to just perpetuate itself as humanity will never collectively forgo the Idea of Evil from their consciousness. Having everything be a huge cycle that is entirely out of the control of any person would make the ending a real gut-punch to the readers. :^)
I believe that free will exists BECAUSE of causality. If something can change down the road like nothing is set in stone them casualty manipulates someone's free will through predicament to eventually makes its own will play out in the end. Which would explain why The God Hand still needed to convince Griffith to join them through illustrations to persuade him instead of him just saying yes right away. They still needed to seal the deal.
I think Griffith will renounce the sacrifice and sacrifice himself instead. Because technically the ritual was never completed fully. Another possibility is guts will die but he will get brought back to life bigger and badder, thus technically completing the sacrifice.
causality is when we give in to the whims of our emotional desires and give up our ability to choose or exercise "free will" (i.e. should I do chores, or play this game?). to go against it is to struggle... guts is the struggler.
i agree with you free will exist and causality works hand in hand with it, its just human beings are drown to do something because of the preassures they have been put through be it pain, jealousy and last but not least' curiosity' . For bersek manga readers lets not forget the incident at the start of the manga of the noble man who became an apostol becoz he caught his wife having an oggy with a goat thing rage got the best of him and he could only see the worst choice he had 2 free will is like a 2 way fork in the road apparently in this situation I'm stating its raining heavly the 1st road has rocky spikey terrain that you know yourself its the only way home/shelter a safe zone but becoz you are ignorent donot want to break a sweat you end up chosing the 2nd road which looks flat and simple can lead you to fall over a cliff in the proscess you start loosing your vision becoz for some reason the rain turned into a storm becoz like we know here on earth weather is very unpredictable you are not in a safe zone well just like how we say life is unfair and unpredictable. The thing with bersek it shows life is not that black and white there are different shades of small grey areas that make a great difference.Also that vision that griffith saw it was'nt a vission but a choice to live a normal life but he hesitated for too long his weakness used against him and as we know here we are today.
All we know is Miura’s interview where his only hint was “Void” which could mean the answer is somewhere in the book Destination: Void by Frank Herbert (the guy who did Dune). It is the first of the Pandora Sequence series.
I thought the IoE said it was the culmination of all the negative emotions people experience, whose purpose is to provide context for those emotions by putting villains in the world. Thus, Its will is the will of humanity itself, and thus when It tells Femto to "Do as thou will" It does so confidant that Femto's will is consistent with the general will of humanity and therefore with Itself. It also said that it completely controlled the literal moment-to-moment destinies of Griffith and his entire world though, so... yeah. It's a circular argument. And that's why he "removed" ep. 82.
My interpretation is free will doesn't exist in Berserk and Miura Kentaro doesn't believe in free will. Free will would mean causality doesn't exist and instead Chaos exists. Berserk clearly shows how choices aren't chosen, but are predetermined. The Count didn't choose to not sacrifice his daughter, Guts didn't choose to leave the hawks, Griffith didn't choose to sacrifice the band of the hawk. All these choices are predetermined and formulated by the interactions between nature and experiences. The Idea of Evils plan is the same plan as all these characters have... The idea of evil only needs to say do as you wish to anyone and his will shall be done. Given the nature of man, expect a lot of love, hate, pleasure, pain, life and the final destination of death. Free will isn't doing what you want, it's being able to "change what you want" at will, that is impossible.
So it's more like causality will happen if no one does anything, so it's like a constant threat that if left unchecked absolutely will succeed but as long as there are people who will oppose it it can be put off but only as long as it's opposed
The berserk armor might be the trunk blocking the river(if positioned properly)and cause it to stop flowing further.Whenever Guts doned it,he destroyed some pretty serious manpower,that would otherwise have a serious impact on the overall story.That and the fact that Guts seems like an alien being,coming from nowhere and going nowhere,gaining only a purpose as a sacrifice along the way.
I still think Guts and Caska were meant to die at the eclipse. Would Griffith have had a vessel if not for Guts and Caska? I say yes for the exact same reasoning you mentioned: that if some small details aren't there for the intended event, then other small details will just take their place, or that that certain vessel was never meant to be that vessel. I think Guts and Caska surviving was a change in detail from causality's overall plan, even though they're still used in it. Perhaps causality is just more opportunistic that way. Because think about it, of Skull Knight didn't choose to save them (if free will does indeed exist), how else could causality have ensured their survival? The only way I could see that is if the god hand just chose to let them go, even though they were already branded for sacrifice, which I don't see them doing. Skull Knight struggles against causality, but knows that important events will still happen regardless. Maybe he hoped to find one small overlooked detail that could eventually overturn causality in some way, because he sees Guts' struggle the same as his own. And if we take to heart the story's theme that Guts came from nothing, we could also see Guts' come from nothing in causality. Of course, I could be wrong, but that's my takeaway.
He is , but he is a big meanie. Showing is Kamasutra skill to Casket before Beserk eyes. At least he Should propose him to participate. Sharing is Caring. U-u But now he ate cake and drink tea in birbonia. Tsk.
Anyone remember how often people say guts should have died? He should have died at birth, he should have died during his battle with bosuzo, he should have died after fighting those wolves but he was miraculously found by a mercenary company that also needed new members. he just so happens to walk near where the Hawks were camped, and that's how he joined them. During his battle with the purple rhinos Zodd saved him by throwing him his sword. Otherwise he would have died there. everything that has happened to guts has driven him down this very path. Causality obviously has plans for him greater than death.
A part of me thinks the final goal of the IOE is its own destruction by the hands of mortals, or just and endless cycle of seeming defeat and renewal. As it’s humanity’s desire to conquer and defeat evil, yet evil will always exist, and thus mankind will always wish for something to blame, meaning the IOE will exist even after a seeming defeat.
4:02. Let's talk about what you are suggesting that is clearly incorrect. Guts and Casca having a kid that would end up being corrupted by Femto and consumed by Nobody and unwillingly and inadvertently caught up in Griffith's reincarnation ceremony at the Tower of Conviction was wholly unplanned by the Godhand. Not even Godhand / Idea of Evil / or anyone knew Casca was with child, nor would the forces of darkness bother to become aware of it as they were coming off the victory of attaining a new godhand member and feasting on the band of the hawk - whilst Guts, Casca had escaped due to SK's unforeseeable rescue operation(Even Slan remarked they could not predict his arrival) - in short they couldn't be bothered to give a damn about them after they had did to them what they did. Reading the latest chapter as well as Guts vs Zodd on the hill of swords proves that this situation of the child existing with Griffith in the same physical embodiment is an unforeseen circumstance that clearly inconveniences Griffith. If any entity had foreseen the child becoming an object that would hinder Griffith like this, then it's influence exists in a realm that not even the Idea of Evil and Godhand can reach or comprehend, and perhaps that might be what is actually "God". As Tolkien once wrote "Even the smallest creature can change the course of the future".
so what you're saying is, nothing Guts did mattered, Donovan would still enter his tent on that fateful night.
Matt Fletcher
Holy shit
Amen Berserkos
What a gay comment
You deserve a Donovan. 😤
Mgtowhumpsfeminism Longdickstyle did I offend you and your fetish of Donovan by pointing out how homosexual it is?
Causality = Miura
He's actually gearing up to shatter the 4th wall so utterly that he ushers in an era of fantasia upon the real world. Get ready for it, the hiatuses are simply for gaining power.
Pavement Ahahahahaha pls no
Ricardo Santos The one fantasy world I could do without. That and Game of Thrones. No one wants die an early death. Though now that I think about Game Of Thrones I really want to see Guts fighting the whitewalker army in his Berserker armour. That would be quite the site.
Pavement mfw this could actually happen
Bort that would be amazing
Fantasia's gonna come after KEKiro is released.
Everything is Donovan's plan confrimed
Donovan is...
...Wait for it...
...DONOVAN!
It makes sense, after all Donglevan created the god hand to plan his resurrection...
DrTheKay zegodhand is Donovan
Donguven will reveal all
All according to plan
It all makes sense now
The Cause of Causality is to cause Casualty
Its Stains;Gate's choice ofc.
Shadow Priest el psy congroo
Kyouma the purpose is the stein gate
EL PSY CONGROO My friend from another timeli....i mean causality line
J.J. ah yes i see. I totally get it now.
It will happen because the writer wants it to, no matter what or who tries to stop it from happening. *CAUSALITY INTENSIFIES*
Deus Vult lol
Miura is Donovan confirmed
If the author is ultimately the will of the will of evil, and guts is fighting that will, guts is causing hiatus? Damn, guts OP
You just blew my potato
+Brandon Jensen damm
I hope that "Guts brutally kills Griffith/Femto" is in causality's plans.
If anything, I hope that's part of its plan........
tailedgates9 is it possible the idea wants man to overcome it?
No femto would know the god hand members can predict causality
Not entirely only human cause. Puck is out of the understanding of the god hand for example
#pucktruehero
But guts don't notice him as a senpai...
Mr. President rapes him*
Zegodhand: Causality isnt "fate"
Later zegodhand: **Gives you defenition of "fate"**
you are my idea of evil
Zegodhand is my idea of quality.
❤
Gusen Kadiev oh man im glad I wasn't the only one
All lies within the flow of hiatus. A mere chapter may jump out of surface of the hiatus, but in the end, it will fall back in it.
Demon Child =/= Femto's new vessel
Egg Apostle = Femto's new vessel
... The Demon Child was merely a jumping fish in that moment in Causality's flow, and just happen to land back in the water fused with Femto's new vessel, not the vessel itself. This fusion will surely be Femto's downfall in the future, as he may be having to fight an inward battle along with his outward ones.
The demon child is his new vessel. It literally shows it transforming into Femto's new body. The Egg of the Perfect World is acting as its womb, so to speak.
I took it has how twins in a womb sometimes merge into one fetus. And the Demon Child was the consumed twin, as Femto was already going to be birthed into his new form from just the Egg Apostle.
Though, looking at it again, I could see that the Egg Apostle may have had just the yoke. Needing fertilization, that could be the Demon Child's role as you said.
saithvenomdrone great theory/analysis never thought about it like that
Sorry to continue the argument, though the reason why I see it this way is a scene from The Hill Of Swords when, and I quote, Femto says " My blood... ...Should have been frozen. These feelings... ...Must belong to that infant... That fused into my vessel." (Chapter 179). Femto says it as if the Demon Child wasn't the vessel at all, but as I said before, just something that Causality didn't really plan for.
Fused into his vessel. His body obviously isn't *just* the demon child. If it was, he'd look like the mutated child still. The "fusion" simply means his "self" and its "self" that came into being because of the Egg of the Perfect World.
How dare u cut off Tell Me Why
So put your grasses on, nothing will be wong
aint nothing but a heart break
will the dragon Slayer ever slay a dragon ?
Remember that dragon on top of the castle? I think Guts is gonna fight that later.
Ash oh I hope he does
But Apostle form Grunbeld? Is he not a dragon. Surely Guts will kill atleast
Dorian Beil When the worlds collided we saw some dragons. Don’t know if they are stronger than an apostle or not. I hope he kills one.
It already has
That's the deepest way of saying "'It really do be like that sometimes"
"Get that potato outta here!"
We can only hope... you can do it Casca :)
I will miss potato Casca, she was so cute. But it's been really to long. I want to see Caska come to her senses and finally face her demons. '' Remember, I can at least watch your back''. I hope she does.
dont talk about my Bechi like that
brandonprows She did it boys
I think that Femto is planning on ressurecting Donovan
skull knight is the true ultimate badass. he raised a kingdom so strong that it took angels to destroy it. he fought until his body bled out and all his bones were broken. and afterwards became a giant metal skeleton that knows tge future and fight gods. he even made a sword out of eggs so powerful it can cut through space time.q
Yo I showed my friend who's way into Berserk your channel and he loves it. Thanks for giving our friendship a whole batch of new inside-memes from your videos to circlejerk about.
Always happy to hear that I've perpetuated circlejerking. You are very welcome.
Please talk about the idea of evil, zegodhando.
I'd rather not, until Miura actually shows it in a public chapter.
He could completely rewrite that scene, since he took it out pretty early.
He took it out because it was a spoiler of sorts
Caspianm2 Tbh, there's not a lot else to say in regards to the I.O.E. I'd still be down if Ze made a video on it, but he'd probably have to talk about the lost episode and it's significance in whole.
I think causality in Berserk is everything that is outside the individual's control. Griffith caused the eclipse, and it only happened because of Griffith. Griffith shaped causality, because he was acting on his own will - the hand of god stated that what happened happened 'in accordance with causality', because this instance of causality was shaped by Griffith - they even waited for Griffith to say the words 'I sacrifice' - what would happen if he refused?
If Guts had asserted his own destiny, he would not have come back to rescue Griffith. If that didn't happen, then the eclipse wouldn't happen, because the Band of the Hawk would not be able to rescue Griffith. So basically, Guts surrendered to causality, by not continuing to assert his own free path. I think Guts admitted that part of what happened was his fault, during the conviction arc.
In a world of tiny red objects...
One man held one.
For a long, long time.
''what is that thing? seriously, what's that? I've never seen the show''
And by the laws of causality, he bled and shed blood on it.
But he never gave up
When you talk about the goal of Casuality in Berserk, it reminds me of the plan of a similar Eldrich Deity in the Legacy of Kain series. Wherein It isn't about an end goal, it's about keeping the cycle, the wheel of fate, moving endlessly. If you are the being at the centre of that wheel, sustained by it somehow, why would you want it to end?
Oh man you're right. o.o The Elder God always wanted the cycle to continue...
I think the main difference is that an Eldritch being exists before humanity and is far above human comprehension, with an eternal goal we can't quite understand, but the IOE was born FROM humanity's collective evil and desire for a single evil entity to blame, so i would say it probably does have a (very bad) end goal, at least for its stupid creators.
+ShangyW That said, IOE in that respect only exists due to humanity. Without them it wouldn't, so I don't see it having an end goal other than maintaining the status quo which guarantees it's continued existence.
If anything you could infer Fantasia only made IOE stronger, as the collective subconscious belief it was created from, would be greatly re-enforced by the sudden rise of "monsters" in the world.
I'm starting to think "Berserk" doesn't just describes the world or Guts himself.....It describes the disorder the IOE causes, due to desire....
Well, it would depend on whether the IOE does want its continued existence or seeks only to fulfill its goal, and we really don't know yet.
Well from what I gathered in reading the lost chapter. The Idea of Evil actually came into existence from the desires and sins of Man. Thus... whatever Man TRULY desires... is what the Idea of Evil is ultimately working towards. So with that in mind... what is it that all humans desire?... *bum bum BUM*
A good story. Ganeishka's cruelty and Griffith apocalyptically defeating him are part of a grand messianic tale for humans. Geneishka and Griffith were both following the same will.
Whatever Man TRULY desires...?
Comfort?
The point of IoE is to give "meaning" to man's suffering. War, disease, sickness, etc. Rather than having them just be inevitable to being alive as a human, it's from the will of a higher force.
I think that youtubers like this must be more appreciated, i mean, how much time and hard work they put into this smart kind of content, not gameplays, challenges etc.
So good job op. ;) As Berserk fan absolutely loved this vid
YT searched "Law of causality." 3rd vid is on Berserk. Truly a masterful work.
THIS VIDEO WAS SO PERFECT IT GAVE ME CHILLS
Man, your voice+ different tones + Guts' theme + the scans you chose.... A freacking gem.
I think evil wants to leave the astral plane and Femto is the one that will create the bridge for it. A great example is how other creatures from the astral plane came into existence once Femto gained a physical body. Evil just probably needs more things to happen in the physical world (things Femto will accomplish) for it to manifest itself into the physical plane.
This was yet another very insightful video. :) Ever since I saw the IOE and the concept of "Causality" the world of Berserk felt MORE than just a story...
The purpose of Berserk is crying out into the darkness and rejecting the fate the lies in weight for you
Griffith should have led his life as a poor beggar
Guts should haves died as a baby and countless other times on the battle field
Casca should have led her life as a street girl
But they all rejected their fate
when he said " and femto is its big piece " and here i thought he is about to say " he is a big piece of shit " XD
Someone please correct me if I am explicitly wrong about this. But isn't the "Idea of Evil" a manifestation created by humans to give meaning to their suffering? And in that sense, does not have ANY will of its own. When Griffith asked what he should do the "Idea of Evil" told him to essentially just do whatever he wanted, because they share a will, and the "Idea of Evil" shares a will with everyone because it IS everyone... in a sense... I think... Feedback would be appreciated.
SFPCanada I think it's human nihilism personified (rather demonified)
Sure, but what's the difference? As far as I can tell it is an ethereal non-being which exists to make things "the way they are supposed to be". Whatever that means.
I love the quote that plays at the beginning of every episode as well as the one that play's at the end to give a preview of the next episode~
These videos are filling the void that is waiting for the next chapter. Must know what's going through that potatoes head.
Keep them coming
Music gave me chills
The end goal is to make Gatsu use a goddamn katana as his weapon of choice. Dex all day baby.
Well he's using the dragonslayer because it has enough mass and sturdyness to go through any demon armor in the first place. And now it's even imbued with otherworld aura that lets it kill anything. If he would be using a katana it would have to be sharp as fuck, otherworldly sharp.
I isn't Guts' style. Let Isidoro use the katana when he's older
strength build best build
I forgot, is magic viable in Berserk?
Luciano Bradley Considering Schierke is the only reason Guts is still alive I'd say magic is pretty viable in Berserk
Skull Knight: ''I'm gonna kill that fucker Femto with my OP new sword''
**swings** **Hits space-time instead** **ends up merging the astral and physical worlds**
Griffith: **smiling**
Skull Knight: ... ''Shit.''
Disliked cos u played the opening for a split second THEN SKIPPED IT WHYY!!! BLUE BALLZ AF!!!!😖
He didn't put his grasses on. :3
and so something will be wrong (is this causality's will too?)
Because the music sucks
Every speech with the guts song in the background sounds so philosophical.
This explains that even if we get a hiatus every now and then, causality will ensure that we will get a completed Berserk. Keep jumping little fish but we're patiently waiting for you to come back down and finish writing the manga.
The idea of evil = the collective unconscious of humanity throughout time and space.
The god hand = the archetypes of consciousness
If you want to know what these terms mean, read Carl Jung
Except there are 12 archetypes, it's hard to imagine the 5 are all 12
Thanks a lot zegodhand!
that actually cleared berserk up a lot for me. didn't read 83 until now, so I never really took into account fates and causality and all that stuff.
i read this as berserk explained casually. which is a video you should definitely make
Is the destiny of mankind controlled by boats then?
That intro was GODlike. Keep up the good work.
The Idea of Evil's existence mirrors Gut's own. As a child, Gut's was blamed as a cursed child for bringing horrible calamities to the people around him. Where as The Idea of Evil was born out from the need to blame all of mankind's problems on something. Guts has been fighting "fate" all his life. The Idea of Evil however simply accepted its role in the wheel of fate and never tried o deviate.
I'm on the side that what makes Guts a special individual after the eclipse is his ability to act independent of his proposed Fate. Skull Knight references it even (even referencing the quote you mentioned regarding the fish), and it is such a hinted at story element (and one befitting the character when you consider their unlikely origins) that considering the opening quote is in the form of an interrogative, it'd be silly not to consider it a very real possibility. Plus, it further makes him the appropriate foil for Griffith: One being an absolute instrument of fate and causality, the other being the one who Struggles against it and very well might be able to bend it by the force of will. After all, if you are taking the IoE as canon, then you MUST accept it's self explained origin as the manifestation of mankind's will.
Your theory leaves out who control's the puppet master... The will of Man. And if nothing else, Guts has shown to be an absolute force of nature when it comes to his strength of will.
I love your videos man. Just make sure you don't burn out! You've been posting a lot lately.
if y’all are confused about what causality means look up determinism
Seriousness through out, but still putting in jokes, great video
guts is outside of the flow of causality. he was born of the dead, and he constantly evades certain death. he's the anti-griffith, who's the poster child for causality and destiny
every 216 year?? w8 but season two came out in 2016 CONSPIRACY
The way I understood the idea is that it's the manifestation of what all people really want deep inside of themselves. Because they hate the world and it's hardships the idea is that of evil. I felt like the chapter was cut because it's too much of a spoiler. The new brighter world that Berserk is currently in might be an attempt of the idea to create a better world for everybody, but if it won't find a solution it might as well just end it to get rid of the issue.
I feel like you are the only berserk deicated channel and I just gotta say this no homo I love you man
"fate" is quite something
guts wouldn't be called the struggler if he weren't always operating in spite of fate
that coupled with, whatever is gearing this "causality", assuming it knows many of the things in the universe
i'd imagine guts would have to be something new that "the thing controlling causality" hasn't experienced yet.
that could be one way that guts is allowed to be a struggler, maybe
As I conceive the causality in berserk is caused by the "Idea of evil" but is not like fate, is like a calculation to achieve a purpose, but the real world is a chaos so the causality has flaws and just something unexpected like a baby born from a corpse can change the results of the causality.
Your either stuck on the straight path like Griffith, with your journey meticulously controlled by 'fate' or your stuck on the zigzag path like Guts, which lays over the straight path and allows you freedom when your at the furthest points left or right in the zigzag- 'free will'- but the paths will always intersect at places when fate needs to pull back for certain events where these paths meet, like the pseudo eclipse in conviction. Theres no free will, and you can't change anything ultimately, but you may find that the end of the path hasn't been made yet- leaving you free to go wherever you want once you reach the end... if the path even does end...
Gut's is like a metaphor for the struggle of man against causality. Mankind thinks it has freewill and we are more productive when we are convinced of it. But even our will is driven by causality. Every decision we make had a cause. Everytime we encounter a stimuli neurons fire and neurochemicals are released and there is a domino effect that goes through your brain and nervous system and the decision you make is ultimately preset. Everything that happens in the universe is just a chain reaction, but humans resist that concept.
I always saw it like in the world of Berserk every human is trapped in the wheel of causality but Gutz exists outside of it because he was born from a corpse.
Fate/Causality: You've already made the choice, now you seek to understand the choice. If our vision was not limited to the three dimensions of space, time would lose meaning and we would be able to perceive the paths of all things in our physical universe at once. Past, present, and future would be all one thing. Sort of like a point moving from position A to position B really being just a stationary line segment as viewed in 2 dimensions.
Dude please keep this shit up my nigga. This is lit.
I don’t think guts and casca surviving were part of causalitys plan because the godhand didn’t foresee it happening
If Guts and Caska were jumping fish by surviving like SK stated(Though, not really seeming like the most reliable source of information now) and the demon child having been born seemingly in the astral planes(Over which we are not sure how much influence the IOE has, except in the deeper ones), i wonder if the demon child could be the one entity completely outside causality, it would be a very awesome concept.
Anytime I hear this song or any of the anime's songs, I get all teary eyed. Idk the music in the old anime is so moving that I was on the verge of crying when watching this XD
The idea of evil wants what every human wants: which is a reason for existence, a reason for pain and suffering.
In other words, humans have free will but the choices they are going to make are already known and part of the divine plan.
new to the show and lore and that's why I'm here. but if I may use my studies to help simplify this concept...
free will: the idea that you can choose what kind of sandwich or meal you want to eat today.
casualty: the inevitability of the fact that no matter what you choose to have right now, you ARE hungry(or you DO have to eat) and you will need to eat again.
one is an option based on circumstances available the other is an inevitable fact of nature that must be dealt with somehow
I was reading about causality, and for far too long did I misread it as casualality. Griffith sacrifices his humanity to stop being casual.
Causality: Femto and demon child shares the same body.
Also Causality: Donavan’s resurrection.
Berserk’s true end game.
Who knows what the future holds for the characters of Berserk. but that said its best to think of Causality as Miura's own mind and what super dimensional Force or Forces may lay in the far reaches of the Berserk World.
So causality is the purpose to why it happened and fate is a final destination. Causality has no free will but there is in fate. Say I killed someone, you could say I’m fated to kill him, how it was done doesn’t matter but in causality u wouldn’t argue he was fated to kill him, you would say something like his rationality was always meant to collapse. Your anger would give root to your rage which in turn forms ur wrath and is the reason why you killed him. Idk if I’m right or wrong so if I’m wrong someone correct me. I’m still tryna understand this😭
This video is a perfect explanation.
Well if that clipse didnt have any power like in our world and Griffith didnt have the "red egg thing", I'm pretty sure what would have happened was Griffith kills himself as you see him trying to impale himself on the branch. Then Casca would remain the as leader of the Hawks then Guts and Casca would bary him in a grave. Then Guts would go on his journey that he said he was doing then leave the Hawks again. Then the Hawks would probably invade the castle out of vengeance for Griffith or they would do something else.
The skull knight was the original king who sacrificed all those corpses you see down in the dungeon.
The Phantom of the Paradise
Nah, that doesn't make any sense. It would have to be someone from the God hand, probably Void.
Damn I love that background music
Jabbe Jab I prefer the background face.
where is it form, it seems so familiar
It's Gut's theme from the original anime ost.
I think that Guts and SK will kill the existing Godhead, and Guts will be instated as the new 'first' Godhead. There were 'four angels' who visited the wizard dude that is assumed to be Void, and now they no longer exist as far as we know. I think the endgame of the Idea of Evil is to just perpetuate itself as humanity will never collectively forgo the Idea of Evil from their consciousness. Having everything be a huge cycle that is entirely out of the control of any person would make the ending a real gut-punch to the readers. :^)
I believe that free will exists BECAUSE of causality. If something can change down the road like nothing is set in stone them casualty manipulates someone's free will through predicament to eventually makes its own will play out in the end. Which would explain why The God Hand still needed to convince Griffith to join them through illustrations to persuade him instead of him just saying yes right away. They still needed to seal the deal.
Causality does not have to be "something more" than cause and effect for it to make sense, it actually fits beautifully to let it be what it is.
I think Griffith will renounce the sacrifice and sacrifice himself instead. Because technically the ritual was never completed fully. Another possibility is guts will die but he will get brought back to life bigger and badder, thus technically completing the sacrifice.
causality is when we give in to the whims of our emotional desires and give up our ability to choose or exercise "free will" (i.e. should I do chores, or play this game?). to go against it is to struggle... guts is the struggler.
Tnx for the great explanation! the music was a nice touch to the video.
i agree with you free will exist and causality works hand in hand with it, its just human beings are drown to do something because of the preassures they have been put through be it pain, jealousy and last but not least' curiosity' . For bersek manga readers lets not forget the incident at the start of the manga of the noble man who became an apostol becoz he caught his wife having an oggy with a goat thing rage got the best of him and he could only see the worst choice he had 2 free will is like a 2 way fork in the road apparently in this situation I'm stating its raining heavly the 1st road has rocky spikey terrain that you know yourself its the only way home/shelter a safe zone but becoz you are ignorent donot want to break a sweat you end up chosing the 2nd road which looks flat and simple can lead you to fall over a cliff in the proscess you start loosing your vision becoz for some reason the rain turned into a storm becoz like we know here on earth weather is very unpredictable you are not in a safe zone well just like how we say life is unfair and unpredictable. The thing with bersek it shows life is not that black and white there are different shades of small grey areas that make a great difference.Also that vision that griffith saw it was'nt a vission but a choice to live a normal life but he hesitated for too long his weakness used against him and as we know here we are today.
Guts, the one man so badass as to be able to defy fate/causality.
All we know is Miura’s interview where his only hint was “Void” which could mean the answer is somewhere in the book Destination: Void by Frank Herbert (the guy who did Dune). It is the first of the Pandora Sequence series.
I thought the IoE said it was the culmination of all the negative emotions people experience, whose purpose is to provide context for those emotions by putting villains in the world. Thus, Its will is the will of humanity itself, and thus when It tells Femto to "Do as thou will" It does so confidant that Femto's will is consistent with the general will of humanity and therefore with Itself.
It also said that it completely controlled the literal moment-to-moment destinies of Griffith and his entire world though, so... yeah. It's a circular argument.
And that's why he "removed" ep. 82.
This was a great vid dude
It was all me... donovan!!
I'd like to think that Guts will ultimately oppose Causality and fuck it in the face, but maybe I'm being too optimistic...
It was by causality that I love you.
My interpretation is free will doesn't exist in Berserk and Miura Kentaro doesn't believe in free will. Free will would mean causality doesn't exist and instead Chaos exists. Berserk clearly shows how choices aren't chosen, but are predetermined. The Count didn't choose to not sacrifice his daughter, Guts didn't choose to leave the hawks, Griffith didn't choose to sacrifice the band of the hawk. All these choices are predetermined and formulated by the interactions between nature and experiences. The Idea of Evils plan is the same plan as all these characters have... The idea of evil only needs to say do as you wish to anyone and his will shall be done. Given the nature of man, expect a lot of love, hate, pleasure, pain, life and the final destination of death. Free will isn't doing what you want, it's being able to "change what you want" at will, that is impossible.
So it's more like causality will happen if no one does anything, so it's like a constant threat that if left unchecked absolutely will succeed but as long as there are people who will oppose it it can be put off but only as long as it's opposed
Great video dude.
The berserk armor might be the trunk blocking the river(if positioned properly)and cause it to stop flowing further.Whenever Guts doned it,he destroyed some pretty serious manpower,that would otherwise have a serious impact on the overall story.That and the fact that Guts seems like an alien being,coming from nowhere and going nowhere,gaining only a purpose as a sacrifice along the way.
I still think Guts and Caska were meant to die at the eclipse. Would Griffith have had a vessel if not for Guts and Caska? I say yes for the exact same reasoning you mentioned: that if some small details aren't there for the intended event, then other small details will just take their place, or that that certain vessel was never meant to be that vessel. I think Guts and Caska surviving was a change in detail from causality's overall plan, even though they're still used in it. Perhaps causality is just more opportunistic that way. Because think about it, of Skull Knight didn't choose to save them (if free will does indeed exist), how else could causality have ensured their survival? The only way I could see that is if the god hand just chose to let them go, even though they were already branded for sacrifice, which I don't see them doing.
Skull Knight struggles against causality, but knows that important events will still happen regardless. Maybe he hoped to find one small overlooked detail that could eventually overturn causality in some way, because he sees Guts' struggle the same as his own. And if we take to heart the story's theme that Guts came from nothing, we could also see Guts' come from nothing in causality.
Of course, I could be wrong, but that's my takeaway.
Thank you for cutting it right at the theme song, the anime's shitty music killed the whole show's mood
Griffith is hot
He's the most beautiful human I've ever seen...
mephistopheles the silent chief indeed he is
F U C K Y O U!
He is , but he is a big meanie.
Showing is Kamasutra skill to Casket before Beserk eyes.
At least he Should propose him to participate. Sharing is Caring. U-u
But now he ate cake and drink tea in birbonia. Tsk.
Anyone remember how often people say guts should have died? He should have died at birth, he should have died during his battle with bosuzo, he should have died after fighting those wolves but he was miraculously found by a mercenary company that also needed new members. he just so happens to walk near where the Hawks were camped, and that's how he joined them. During his battle with the purple rhinos Zodd saved him by throwing him his sword. Otherwise he would have died there.
everything that has happened to guts has driven him down this very path. Causality obviously has plans for him greater than death.
Whew boy, looks like Guts has another basket of pain fries.
A part of me thinks the final goal of the IOE is its own destruction by the hands of mortals, or just and endless cycle of seeming defeat and renewal. As it’s humanity’s desire to conquer and defeat evil, yet evil will always exist, and thus mankind will always wish for something to blame, meaning the IOE will exist even after a seeming defeat.
Rest in Peace Kentaro Miura.
You have a new loyal follower.
4:02. Let's talk about what you are suggesting that is clearly incorrect.
Guts and Casca having a kid that would end up being corrupted by Femto and consumed by Nobody and unwillingly and inadvertently caught up in Griffith's reincarnation ceremony at the Tower of Conviction was wholly unplanned by the Godhand. Not even Godhand / Idea of Evil / or anyone knew Casca was with child, nor would the forces of darkness bother to become aware of it as they were coming off the victory of attaining a new godhand member and feasting on the band of the hawk - whilst Guts, Casca had escaped due to SK's unforeseeable rescue operation(Even Slan remarked they could not predict his arrival) - in short they couldn't be bothered to give a damn about them after they had did to them what they did. Reading the latest chapter as well as Guts vs Zodd on the hill of swords proves that this situation of the child existing with Griffith in the same physical embodiment is an unforeseen circumstance that clearly inconveniences Griffith.
If any entity had foreseen the child becoming an object that would hinder Griffith like this, then it's influence exists in a realm that not even the Idea of Evil and Godhand can reach or comprehend, and perhaps that might be what is actually "God".
As Tolkien once wrote "Even the smallest creature can change the course of the future".
good job man, keep up the good work! plz, more Donovan next time.