2023 Ford F150 Showdown: Lightning vs PowerBoost - Your Ultimate Guide
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2022
- Which F150 is right for you? The ALL-ELECTRIC Lightning, or the Hybrid PowerBoost. In this video, I hope to help answer that question and give you some insight into which truck might best fit your needs.
0:00: The Ford F150 Lightning is here. But which one should you buy?
1:01: What do I drive right now?
1:51: How do I use my truck every day?
2:30: Let’s talk about the F150 Lightning. What’s great?
3:23: The biggest difference between the Lightning and the PowerBoost
3:46: Price comparison. Electric vs Gas. How much does it cost to fill up the F150 Lightning?
6:40: The #1 reason you should choose the PowerBoost over the Lightning
7:14: One thing to consider if towing with the Lightning
8:27: One thing to note about electric estimated range
9:14: An auto technicians thought on the lightning
13:17: First impressions driving the Lightning
13:58: The biggest driving difference between electric and gas
17:19: Inside Screen size difference
22:38: Cargo space comparison
23:22: Built in Generator for Power
27:30: Which truck is best for me?
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I agreed with you that an F150 should look like an F150
This is the best articulation of hybrid v. electric. I do believe the F150 is also the ONLY vehicle to offer the same truck with an all electric, a hybrid, a regular ICE, and a diesel. You can really appreciate the pros and cons of each while keeping the essence of having the same vehicle.
I also had 2 Teslas (3 & Y) and now drive a powerboost and a Maverick hybrid.
For all the reasons you mentioned, hybrids and especially PHEVs are the way to go if you do any extended driving or towing. Your points of spending $ on snacks etc. while waiting are legit and accurate. If you’re not charging at home off peak hours, you probably aren’t saving money. Especially calculating the higher cost of an electric car to begin with. That reality stings but it IS the truth.
I’m allllll for full electric but we aren’t there with battery technology and infrastructure for the type of lifestyle and culture majority of us live. After the fun weans off, the headaches of route and itinerary planning get real.
Lastly- I hated Tesla’s one pedal driving and hated more they removed and had no option to adjust or turn it off!
I love videos like this.
The bottom line:
Cons: Our infrastructure isn't ready for EV's yet. If you want a truck for long distance travel and you are in a hurry to get somewhere the lightning isn't a truck for you.
Pros: Other than the above, the lightning outperforms all fuel driven 1/2 ton 5.5 ft bed trucks with zero maintenance. Performs like any F150, rides like a luxury car.
Great points for sure.
Lightning was my dream truck back in 2000. It’s come a long way!
Now its a joke
I love the title: Which should you buy? Ha. Had a Tremor on order for 7 months with no firm production date as it keeps changing. Good luck getting a Lightning if that's what you want. Just frustrating.
I (like you) am someone who regularly tows an 8,000 lb RV across North America...I would love a full EV but the towing capability is a dealbreaker for me....That said, I love my Ford F150 Powerboost not only for its extended range/lower emissions in regular commuting but also its 7.2kw inverter/generator on the tailgate that allows me to boondock the trailer, run all my powertools or tailgating accessories and (if necessary) power my house when there is a power failure. Ford has missed the brass ring however in not being first past the post on offering a plug-in hybrid which would transform pick up truck ownership by allowing owners to drive electric-only during the week yet travel without range anxiety or reliance on dodgy charging infrastructure. Given that the Ford F150 has been the best-selling vehicle in North America for the past 50 years, they have missed the chance to completely dominate the pick up/ electric vehicle evolution marketplace.
I agree. I love the EV life but if you tow, it’s just not ready. Towing range is comical right now and when you factor in the inability to charge while you have something hitched makes it not usable
Scott! Nice to see you back!
Good points you made there
Great vid a 1st time watching. We tow a RV travel trailer, so I see a Hybrid F150 with the 7.2KW e-generator. I so much wanted the F150 lighting; but we tow our camper distance and we like to go North from Miami, FLA and camp in cold weather. We would have even less rang in cold weather towing our RV. So when my lease is up on my current GMC 1500. Will hopefully land a F150Hybrid. The Powerboost will be a great plus for us when drydocking and getting some shut-eye on the road. Will also come in handy when we're boondocking for couple of days off the grid. Having the ability to connect and power your camper and even use the A/C if needed. Although the Hybrid doesn't work while in tow; regardless most of my daily driving is city, seeing clients etc. So the Hybrid would be great fit.
The hybrid sounds perfect to you just like it is for me. I do similar things. It’d be a fantastic option.
I feel the regenerative braking at the very moment I even slightly let up on the accelerator. when it says 100% regenerative braking was achieved you can't do any better than that.
Good understanding of the differences.
Glad it was informative for you.
Having just bought a truck, this has a lot of great insight and perspective. I think with the price comparison of filling up, you have to add in your hourly rate to the charge and the opportunity cost of just filling up with gas. My spontaneous scheduling booking shoots at a moment's notice is not ideal with the charging life because a shoot could be easily 20-30 miles away. Oh, and I live in Alabama and there aren't many quick charging stations.
Yep. Great things to think about for sure. Every situation is different.
Are you able to charge at home overnight? With a 300+ mile range on the Lightening, how could a shoot 20-30 miles away cause any concern unless you had let your battery get very low? I don't own an EV and readily admit they are not good for many applications/lifestyles with the current state of technology, but I'm just not following your scenario. Being always dependent on public charging could definitely put substantial crimp in things, I suppose.
it doesn't sound like an EV truck is for you, certainly not for everyone. Perfect vehicle for some of us. I always got 50+ miles with my prius during my trips to town. But when I needed to haul something or pull my trailers, I was lucky to get 5-8 mpg. I'll be trading both off for a lightning. This will be a win, win for me. I'll be able to tow and haul whenever I want to without costing me a fortune.
2021 Powerboost Lariat 501a
Best vehicle we have owned to date.
Highly responsive !
Extremely powerful !
Drives like a luxury vehicle with a bit of attitude …
Very universal in multiple uses
Great and safe to pull 10K to 12K but (not very economical in tow mode). Sorry bout that.
7.2 kw on board generator can power a house and I’ve done it while building my sons home.
Love to work out of this truck.
Best of all it feels like I’m in control of the road and so fun to drive.
Makes road trips a joy.
As far as hybrids go we have two and so far and as they continue to make needed improvements to the EV market and can offer the needed infrastructure for traveling, hybrids are the near term answer for us.
Inspite of the negative reviews from Consumer Reports these are our vehicles of choice today.
My personal opinion is to take CR with a grain of salt.
Stick to real world and owner reviews.
We have four years of experience with Hybrids and 75k plus on the road and no worries thus far.
Because of the very nature of hybrids being so high tech one may consider a corporate/manufacture extended warranty, we did.
NOT A DEALER Warranty!
*Unless you really trust that your dealer is not selling you something with unfair limitations…
To all our fellow motorists out there,
Safe & Happy motoring.
Jerry & Deb 😉
I agree. I love mine.
Great review… one of best I have seen… very helpful
Hi Scott! You hit the nail on the spot, great video! Today I'm waiting for my dealer to call me to pick up my Lariat ER. I can see it arrived on my FordPass app. My father surprised me the other day. He also could have a Lightning now but extended his 2022 order in hopes of a 2023 Pro availability. He told me that he would order a Lightning (pro or xlt) and won't pass it up, but on second thought might keep it for a year and sell it for a PowerBoost F-150, so he can have the range and for hauling a slide-in camper. For us it's a win, win if he does that because we would trade F-150s when needed.
Both trucks are definitely holding their value for sure.
Isn't the Pro limited to only fleet owners?
@@anthonyc1883 No, and they disappeared after Wave 1 ordering in standard range battery. Fleet ordering can get extended range. I was Wave 3 and ordered a Lariat and my fathers reservation (Wave 3) was extended for a Pro model standard range, for 2023. In 2 days it’s said they will open Wave 1 for 2023 ordering only to the Pro models that were extended in 2022. So keeping fingers crossed he gets one.
@@mariomarez2223 Good luck, man. Thanks for the info.
Great review and good points. I’m not on board with electric yet. The initial cost of the price doesn’t offset the savings enough for me. I think we will all have to have solar panel roofs to help with our grid systems so they can handle the extra loads. It seemed cheap to charge at home until you get on the road and have to pay 3 times more for a charge. Once more and more people buy electric vehicles, I bet those prices will screw us even more. Time will tell.
Lightning / EVs are a neat idea, but for someone who drives for a living, over multiple days on the road, visits clients, has specific timelines to stick to, goes to very rural areas, airports… they are not practical right now, hopefully in the future, but not now.
Agreed. That's why I got rid of them. They are great for 90% of people, but if you drive a ton, they aren't ideal quite yet.
Lots of good information here and thank you for the video. I know they take time to produce to the quality you gave us here. One thing you didn't mention was the cost for the charger and the upgrades to your home's electric power. This could run a few thousand or more deepening on the size of you home. This should also go into your calculations for cost per mile. Again good job.
Oh, and I have to say depending on the politics the gas prices differ greatly and would greatly change the cost average for gas/ desal vehicles.
Lots of factors to consider for sure. Including the fact that like you said Gas prices can go up and down drastically, and at times, gas can actually be cheaper than electric, so lots of factors.
Agree for long distance towing, the Lightning is not a good choice. Realize this is the first generation electric truck for ford. They hit it out of the park! By g2 or g3, it could be the answer for those that tow and travel distances. And try charging with a trailer behind your truck! I'd love to see plug in option for the hybrid, with perhaps a 50 to 75 mile range. So when you use the truck around town, you could go all electric. Agree, 5 to 10 years from now, battery and charging technology will be to the point that a fully electric truck WILL be the answer. When spec'ing out a long distance tow rig, payload capacity, range, and tow rating are all important. The Powerboost with the on board power is great. No more taking a generator with me on long trips.
I agree. The first generation is super impressive, and I can’t wait to see what comes next and how range and technology continues to improve.
If they truly wanted to compare these two trucks accurately we need to compare them to an average commute that I achieve roughly 2.4 miles per kwh. So a 50 mile trip will cost me around $3.00. The power boost would have to average 50 mpg if gas cost $3.00/gal just to break even with that. Now one of the best about the lightning, zero maintenance, zero emissions. I'm so sick of oil/ filter changes, air cleaners, transmission fluid & filter change, spark plugs, lube jobs. Maintenance goes on & on.
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Thanks.
Nice video Scott, but where have you been the last three months. An update would be interesting.
I average 20-21mpg at 66mph on my 2015 f150 5.0 and i have a 36 gallon tank, so yeah its great for traveling, lots of room, and does just about everything. And i didnt pay 80 or 90k
I'll make this comment before I watch this video. I want to get away from gas hog vehicles. If there was a truck that could do everything that the lightning can do and get 50-60 mpg I might consider one, but I doubt it because I'd still have all the maintenance that's required on an internal combustion engine.
One pedal driving is the most efficient way to drive any EV. 100% of any available power from braking.
Even though I don't use my truck this way but try doing 0 to 60 in a little over 4 seconds. I don't believe the power boost could do the 1/4 mile in 12.8 seconds either. Can a power boost power a home that averages 30 kwh per day for 3 days without using any gas. At best the power boost can supply 7200 watts and for a very short time without running the engine.
You do know it's not ment to do that constantly only for times of emergency lol or camping trips
That’s not true Vinichi. It’s a generator. It can do it as often as you want. It’s just using gas that’s all. It’s not for emergencies, it’s for using it.
The Lightning Lariat is going to cost you about $88,000. You can get a Powerboast for about $68,000. Just one factor to weigh.
With markups, yes for sure. Plus you can’t even get one.
@@scottmckenna Have you priced a Lightning through the Ford website? A Lariat with the 320 mile range battery STARTS at $85,000. Add max towing package plus delivery fees, and you are over $89,000 before sales tax. The Platinum Lightning starts at $96,000. Plus fees, delivery, taxes. THAT IS WITHOUT any markups.
They also raised prices big time since I made this video.
Here in Canada I’m paying 88000 for the PowerBoost. It’s over 100000 for the same trim Lightening.
My dealer has an Ext R Lariat lightning for 76,000. I currently have a 2021 Powerboost and live in DC. Trying to determine if I should get a lightning due to the fact that I do not tow anything anymore and there are chargers everywhere. I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I seldom drive more than 40 miles a day. so temperature isn't a factor for me because I'll always be able to drive my 40 miles.
For people like me that already have solar that powers my home will be driving my lightning at zero costs for electricity. Try that with your power boost.
Yes, if you have solar, obviously that plays a big factor. Not many people do yet.
I would still invest in the powerboost for long distance driving if the Lighting had distance 550 or more different story
Acquisition cost comparison?
They are both about the same price MSRP. Right now with markups, the lightning is very overpriced, but I don't think that'll last forever.
How long can a power boost supply 7200 watts without using any gas. Because when I'm done supplying power I'll drive my truck home and plug into my home solar system again zero costs.
There are never zero costs. Ever. Only amortized costs that go down over time
No EV truck is for everyone. But if you drive mostly close to home and charge at home or off solar there's no fuel vehicle that can even come close to the lightning.
Northern California, paying 42 cents a kilowatt, so 4 times what you pay. Assume 2 miles a kilowatt, or 350 kilowatts for 700 miles, or $147, seems like it is equal in fuel cost to the PowerBoost. Just saying.
The PowerBoost goes a hundred miles at least on a tank verse’s charge and takes 7 minutes to refill! The whole dollar amount for a fill-up will be over once the cost of electricity in our homes quadruples! Yes, that has always been the plan or fix whichever you prefer!
Scott, are you okay?
YEP. Doing great. Just busy. Thanks for checking.
Nice video! … Ford has truly hit the mark for 2 amazing F-150 platforms. The PowerBoost sets the bar for utility, and the Lightning sets the bar for torque and EV tolerance. The hybrid got my attention for 700 miles and the 7.2kW. The Lightning is just an alternative to gas prices. And I’m still deciding. The Lightning can’t do Baja! 😎🍷🛻
I'm not going to buy any truck today and do Baja with it. That's for kids that gave rich parents.
I guess if you like all the maintenance required on an internal combustion engine. Like waiting in line at the the gas stations, and long trips then the power boost is for you. I'll enjoy no more maintenance which will include brake work as long as I use one pedal driving, plugging in at home & ready to go in the morning, no stopping at gas stations.
@@pstoneking3418 … There are pros and cons for both EVs and ICE vehicles. I love long distance driving, and will do a 21 hour drive for fun. My last driving bucket is to do Baja, and I don’t know of any DC Fast chargers in Baja Sur. … However, for the Ford Lightning, I’d add Mickey Thompson tires with the ditch lights. And that’s it, because I would’ve already compromised the range. 🙃
300 miles my A S S.
Wait 5 years before getting an EV. Things will change and improve.
Spokeperson for Gm when asked where does the power come from to charge the EV...she said "the wall"..when the person asked again she said "the outlet". when the real person stood in from the local powerplant he had to say the power comes from 95% coal. So the electric car is being charged from 95%coal. the battery in the car doesnt produce power, it only stores it. So when you factor in where all the minerals and elements come from including China and all the diesel fuel to mine the earth and child slave labor how exactly is this better for the environment? (and where will all the batteries end up once useless??)
95% by coal? Perhaps is some very focused, particular markets but nationwide, only 22% of electricity generation comes from coal and that figure goes downward each year. In fact, all of fossil fuels (natural gas, coal, etc.) account for 61% of electricity generation, which again is declining every year.
Finding where batteries end up once useless is very easily researched. They don't get randomly discarded, that's for sure. The YT channels Engineering Explained and Two Bit daVinci have produced very well-researched pieces on the full view/impact of EVs from mining, manufacturing, lifetime of usage and final disposal of all components.
And finally, all the pains you point out are what's required to get from the here-and-now to much better products/technologies in the future. Only so much R&D can be done on paper and in labs. A very large amount of innovation and advancement of virtually everything comes from real-world use in the marketplace. In 10 quick years, battery capacities, charging speeds, manufacturing and recycling will be at levels we can only imagine today.
@@anthonyc1883 good points... But at some point we should admit that the minerals that make up the battery are finite... And will eventually run out. Whether it's the child slave labor Democratic Republic of Congo where the lil kids are getting serious lung diseases from extracting the cobalt which China owns nearly 100%.Volvo recently released a study comparing same model for ev VS gas model and the co2 resulting from each after 125k miles. The gas edition produced 58 metric tons while the ev vehicle produced 45 metric tons (all resources added up) so again.. Not much of a difference. Another new study shows the additional weight of batteries (1,000lbs up to 1.5klbs) produce tons of rubber debris from the tires which ultimately pollutes the environment. So you really have to acknowledge the whole picture.
Where have you been Scott? No more video business really? Or just weddings?
There is no way you can get 700 miles to a tank of gas in the city. And you haven't even touched on all the maintenance required for your power boost. I can get 3 3 miles per kwh in the city so $10 to drive 432 miles. And oh yes zero emissions zero maintenance.
Neither, you should buy the 5.0 N.A
I have 2 kids under two. Im not waiting for my car to charge . Hybrids are the future . EV is not
Your wrong unfortunately but I understand what you’re trying to say.
@@scottmckenna EVs are getting hyped up because of politics and everyone thinks they’re zero emmisions. Once people get educated on the amount of emmisions these things create in the manufacturing process things will die down. The combustion engine hasn’t even come close to reaching its full potential especially paired as a hybrid . People need to have a transition for this to work. jumping right tO EVs for the majority of Americans isn’t realistic
I own a Tesla. I don’t own one because it’s zero emissions or because i think it’s better for the environment. I own it because electric is cheaper, the car is super fast and fun to drive, and I love the electric car model.
@@scottmckenna Cheaper to drive for
now …. until electric companies start gouging ….maybe …. and maybe cheaper for you overall . But you have to look at the rest of the country. Making payments on a more expensive vehicle is difficult . Charging at home overnight isn’t an option for everyone , charging for families with small children . All things the EV world hasn’t solved yet, and won’t until at least another 10 years or longer …. it’s just not sustainable. Every person on this planet has owned something battery operated and over time the battery loses is effiecency. Most people would rather pay the $500 a year in maintenance on a combustion vehicle rather than the massive one time bill for a new battery or car ….
The conventional F-150 is the ugliest truck. The F-150 Lightning is the best-looking EV truck because it's just the same model and it's not trying to redesign the wheel.
Love my 2021 power boost lariat. I'll stick with a hybrid not as many limitations unless Biden bans fuel.
I enjoy my powerboost as well.