Its nice while its new, but the torque converter will required replaced by 50k-70k miles or the 10speed transmission is ruined. high-mileage eco-boast is a nightmare to repair. Today I drive a tesla, and trusted 12v 5.9L desiel cummins ford f800. I walked away from new ford anything after my last 2022 f150 nightmare coming from a 2017 f150 ruined transmission.
I also owned a 2020 f600 with the godzilla7.3l. complete junk, the thing stopped turning off after the key was removed... brand new. I ended up giving it back and buy an older trusted 1998 ford f800 with the cummin diesel stock.
Thanks! I'm doing all the homework now because I'll be buying an F150 in the next 1 to 1.5 years to pull a 22' travel trailer in retirement. This was the most useful video I've seen to date!
Can help with the trailer towing experience. Some thought I was crazy but I researched the specs and did the math. I have a 2023 XTR (upgraded the seats with after market leather). I am pulling a 2017 Cougar 28' 5th wheel that is about 9,500 lbs loaded. The problem is the stock tires are not really rated for the payload on the vehicle with the 5th wheel - should be ok with a hitch towed trailer as the load on the rear axle is not near as much. The trick is I installed AirLift suspension airbags at the dealer and I put 10-ply, or category E tires on. Yup, this cost about an extra CAN $4K but it works. Pulled the trailer through the torture test from the middle of BC, through Montana, Utah, New Mexico, and onto Florida in the late summer. No problems. Towed just fine and has enough power to accelerate on hills. I got a few looks pulling into RV parks towing a 5th wheel with a half-ton. "Impossible! It can't be done!". Well ya, I've got 5,000 miles to prove it. (Averaged 8.8 mpg btw). Using the truck for work, I much prefer the softer and smoother ride of the half-ton over the one-ton (F350 6.7 Powerstroke) I had purchased to tow the trailer. That was a lumber wagon. The trick is to get the truck and trailer level and stable, and set up the electric brakes properly. I have mine on 6.0 gain and used the manual controller from time to time on steep descents (continential divide a couple of times, etc). Kept the speed to a maximum of 65 mph as it really impacted the fuel use above that. The truck can pull at 70+ mph but not recommended for fuel and the rating on the trailer tires. I also installed the Tire Minder TPS system which has been very useful. Keep in an eye on trailer pressure and temperature - especially in heat - helped a lot.
@@deanschiedermayer704 I ended up getting a 2024 F-250 with the gas 6.8 "Minizilla" instead of an F-150. The 150 was a bit marginal and believe it or not, $20K MORE than the F-250 I bought. The 250 has everything I need, including the fancy camera/towing package, supercrew and 7' bed. I'm getting 16.5 mpg driving it to work and back. We also bought a new 2024 Jayco 23RK pull-behind and love them both. Excellent combo.
So very nice to watch an intelligent review, minus all the drama and misinformation provided by some. I ordered my 2022 F150 Powerboost Lariat 502A on November 10, 2021 and it arrived on the dealer lot on May 10, 2022. I now have 29,000 trouble free kms. I agree with all of your points in the video. This has been a fantastic truck in all ways. I'm so glad that I ordered this truck rather than the Toyota Tundra I was considering ordering.
I have a solution for your handling that really improved my XLT. I replaced the OEM shocks on the back with Bilsteins and i added the hellwig rear sway bar. Its made a world of difference in comfort and handling.
Thanks for this review. I'm in the process of switching from a compact car to a truck for practicality reasons. I ultimately landed on the F150 with the powerboost and this has reinforced my decision. Hearing a review from somebody else coming from smaller vehicles is great. I also really appreciate your offer videos on taking the order process, as it's a pain to navigate.
Charles, I just drove my son's 2018 Accord and I felt like I was scraping my rear on the ground. I have come from years of Honda Accords which were great but I can't go back after driving this big jungle gym around for a year. cheers
Thank for sharing this video, I have the exactly same truck with the 5.5 bed. I LOVE it , expensive but good value, I got six years extended warranty and service packages just for peace of mind.
@FixOrRepairDIY I really enjoy your video about using the 7.2 kw inverter to power your home. I use it twice here in Victoria BC. When we lost power, I just run two heavy-duty extension cord and was able to run some lights, internet, TV and my natural gas heater (electrical part of it) my neighbors were wondering what happened since the truck is so quiet.
My 2016 with 2.7 got around 20 mpg in everyday driving, I'm getting around 22.5 with the 2023 PB in the same driving area. If I stayed around 65 on the highway I could get around 21- 23 with the 2.7, with the PB I get about 25 - 26. So you are correct if you are just upgrading for the MPG it would be a long time to recoup the cost. And I do think that the 2.7 is the best engine for these trucks, I had no problem towing a 29 ft RV with the 2.7.
The published mpg numbers for the 3.5 ECO (not hybrid) vs 2.7 for 2023 are almost identical. What would make the 2.7L better than the 3.5 ECO? It seems with 4WD and some options the payload rating could become an issue.
Own '22 F150 XLT 3.5L sport 302a FX4 5.5 bed with Power Adjustable Pedals. Great video, well done! Dealers are the issue. Two reasons to avoid Powerboost hybrid: 1 complexity 2 payload reduction, latter important if you will tow >6,000#. The PB reduces payload (look for rating on the yellow sticker on driver door frame) about 300#, that reduces overall tow capacity about 2500#. The 6.5 bed 157 inch WB best for towing - longer WB important PAP is best option if multiple drivers, available now with XLT 303a option. Snows here in the great white north, no need for AWD. Save $, all that is needed is the XLT regular selectable 4WD. FX4 only if you do go off-road or have extreme gravel road travel. Also owned 18 F150 2.7L 302a sport. Both Great Trucks no issues. Best combo if you dont tow or light tow (
I am an owner 1:10 2012 F150 Ecoboost. It has 242,000 miles. It is a pulling son of a gun. However when you go to replacing the timing chain (twice), cam phaser (twice), and turbos (one so far), you will be shocked at cost. If I were to do it over again, I would sell it @ 100,000 miles.
@dieseldawg7132 Using all Ford parts the cost of changing timing chain and cam phasers was $900 each time and I did the job myself. Shop estimate was $2600. I had a shop change out a turbo (Ford part) for over $3,000. If I change out the other one, I will do it myself.
@ so no having to remove the cab to do most of that work? And I did a vw Passat turbo the other day wasn’t horrible but it being a car everything was crammed up…. I’m thinking about getting one of these fords!
@dieseldawg7132 no need to take off cab for timing chain/phasers or turbo. You do have remove alot on front of engine and on topside for timing chain. Turbos you just need to remove tire but access is very tight.
Thanks for the update. I have a similar F150. Note, if you want the hybrid, you must get the super-crew. Hybrid is not available with super-cab or regular style. I have a 302a XLT 2.4kw Powerboost and my one regret is that I didn't order the 6.5 instead of the 5.5 bed. With respect to the 2.4kw generator, I have it and I've been happy. I haven't needed the 7.2kw and I don't know if I ever will. It's worth calculating how much power you really need for your use case. For some it may be worth considering the cost savings afforded by the smaller generator.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 what rear seat cover are you using, ie, a URL perhaps as I have pets and that looks like a good adder to keep the back seats clean. thx!
@@jameszeiger8533 My wife found it at LIDL for $12 a couple of years ago. Nothing fancy. I think WeatherTech or any of these other companies would sell something better, for more $$$.
Your truck is very similar to mine (2021 XLT 302 mid) in features and lack of issues. The 7.2 kw generator works faultlessly with my camper and the hot spot adds entertainment. The 7.2 kw also provided power for lights, multiple refrigerators and freezers, and fans for at least two houses for several days after a storm. Based on my truck you’re review and comments are spot on. Great Review!
Love your honesty/ frankness. Bought almost same 2022 F150 5.5 bed in blue November 2022, dealer had only 5 unsold in stock, one i bought was a customer canceled order that dealer retained the factory order. Had an opportunity to buy , same price , a grey power boost, decided against due to complexity but also due to reduced payload. Power boost 302a sport FX4 payload is 1535#, ICE 3.5L same options plus FX4, payload 1822#, GVWR 7050#.Payload critical if you tow. My towable is a 23 foot 5726# GVWR travel trailer 850# tongue weight loaded. Traded a 2018 F150 2.7L 302a sport with 1375# payload. Yeah that much difference. Beware the small V6 F150, they have a light duty frame, All V8 & 3.5 L F150 have medium duty frames, including bigger rear differential. Loved the 2.7L got 28 Can MPG highway, handled the TT nicely, but at / slightly over payload rating. The ICE 3.5L gets 1mpg less on highway. Replace today? Get the 2.7L with the 2.7L payload pkg, that will include the medium duty frame & beefier rear axle and a 1600 + payload with a 6900# GVWR. AWD Lariat is unnecessary, 4wd with locking rear axle is more than adequate. Remember the tires are the most important component, in Ontario the drivers that care about 4 season all weather traction own 2 full sets tyres, summer, winter rated.
I have a 12 F-150 SCab with the 6.5’ bed and I love the space. Helped someone move along with a Tundra 5.5’ and time and time again my truck just kept getting it done. The extra foot really matters if you really work your truck like a truck. Camping or hauling it is great.
I installed hight adjustable eibachs on my powerboost. Great ride, not spongy and no body roll, plus a few inches of lift when I head north on logging roads. The only thing I dislike on my truck is the fiber board cover which soaks with water and falls off. I replaced it with an aftermarket skid plate cover.
I live your videos! I had a 2021 F150 Power Boost 2.4Kw and absolutely loved it! I owned it for 2-1/2 years before I found your Hypermiling video, and agree with everything you stated. Very well done. It became an absolute game I played Hypermiling, and didn’t even know it. I just traded it in and bought a 2023 F150 Power Boost 7.2KW Lariet package. The fun continues!
Great video and I would say a very honest review. I have now had my PB (same exact truck, only mine is a short bed) the same amount of time that you have. If I were to make an annual review, it would be basically exactly the same as yours. I had to laugh about the parking dislike. I couldn’t agree more …. I came from driving a Tacoma which was way easier to park. Thank goodness for the 360 cameras. I also do my own oil changes and have not found the easy way to get that oil filter off. A few of the other things I really love on my PB is the Zone lighting - even though I don’t use it very often, I still like it and find it useful when needed and I really like the flat floor in the back. My dog just hangs out there and is able to lay down if he wants to. I just took my PB on a family trip and could not be more happy. The truck is very comfortable, has the power when you need it, in addition to overall pretty impressive fuel mileage. Overall the truck does everything that we need it to do and I am very happy with it. Thanks for the great review and keep up the awesome PB content.
Thanks! I already gushed about the zone lighting last year but MAN do I love the ability to light up the block at night. Even the "welcome" lighting is super-useful. Nice of you to comment. Cheers
great, thanks for your videos. Love 'em, keep 'em comin'. I drive '23 Powerboost 150 Azure Blue Platinum + 2.5" lift (puck) in front to accommodate 34" Nitto Ridge Grapplers all around, now with 7k miles. Every option except the Heated steering wheel because of the chip shortage (and that's definitely missed).
Great video. Another confidence vote for the Powerboost. I’m thinking about ordering a 2024 Powerboost. I had a loaded out 2012 Ecoboost for seven year, towed a small Winnebago with it, put 120,000 miles on it. Never had a problem with it, outside of expected wear items. I was careful about maintenance and only used premium synthetic oil in it. Thanks.
Thanks Vic...she's a keeper. My plan is to go for 300k on it. Good luck with your truck purchase, there is so much more inventory now than when I was doing this 18 months ago. Special ordering gives you what you want, it was worth the delay.
Let me tell you about my Powerboost… I bought a 2022 with a 7.2 kW generator in the first time I went to use it Ford doesn’t tell you that you have to have a different set up on your house to differentiate the negatives and the grounds so I had to have Electrician come out and redo my box in order for the generator to work, then when I plugged in the generator to actually use it, it blew code in the truck and I have to now take it in to Ford to have them fix whatever was wrong with it in the first place before I could even use the thing and of course they want to keep it for a week while we have no power and it’s the only thing I got that can power my refrigerator right now, so don’t waste your time and your time and money on a power boost or at least one with the generator because you’ll end up having to buy a separate gas one anyways
@@MichaelsandAssociates I disagree, the actual implementation of the generator is great, but the customer communication on how to use it is zero/zip/zilch. I did a whole video on how to make the generator system work for home backup.
I own a 2013 f150 3.5L ecoboost xlt. Currently have 185,000 miles on it. So yes I’ve had to replace BOTH my turbos - first one right before 100k miles (so this was under warranty). The 2nd turbo went out 22k miles later - cost me 5,000 to repair. Since I’m sitting at 185,000 miles going to replace the truck soon. Get another ecoboost - I’m not entirely sure, I do know my co workers who keep their trucks long term like I do ALL have replaced their twin turbos right around the 100k - 125k mark. So most reviews don’t keep their trucks this long - just real world experience I’m giving you. Did I pull with my truck - minimal maybe 3x in its lifetime. 20mpg avg with highway speed of 70 mph
Thanks EP! What kind of maintenance schedule did you keep? Not implying anything, just curious to see if there is anything we can learn from your numbers. cheers
regular 5k oil changes, used full synthetic. otherwise just regular maintenance with transmission, brakes etc. etc.. other issue i had was oil leak due from the turbo. otherwise just regular repairs, issues with a 185k mile truck (o2 sensor going out). like i said though I'm not sure if i'd get twin turbo's again since i know they will fail eventually.@@fixorrepairdiy4609
Nice video. I am in the market for a first truck and this video of yours hits the right notes with great information without overwhelming tech and spec..
Solid review, thank you. Something to keep in mind is the payload would drop with the 2.7PB. The GVWR is a few hundred pounds lower with the 2.7 unless you add the 2.7 payload package, which puts you nearer the 3.5PB price range. Smaller engine also lowers towing number, which puts it closer to mid-size truck range. Not sure on mpg if you run the 2.7 & 3.5 PB gently for best mileage. Another thing to note, is since 21 release of gen14, ford has been cutting back on features each model year (plus mid year job 1/2 cycle), so a 2023 truck would not be a featured as your 22. I have a '22 XLT(301) with 5.0l. A key feature drop there is auto-start/stop, which drops city mileage noticeably.
Thanks Chris. Yeah, I don't tow a lot and what I would tow/carry would easily be handled by the 2.7 (EB). Good point about feature dissolve. Seems like most of what I have on the 22 would be available on the 23, but at a premium. cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Sadly, the kind of stuff ford started cutting after job1-2021 was smaller things like in-dial temp numbers for duel zone heating/cooling, for xl(maybe xlt)-21/22. They cut the upper glove box door/latch-22/23. In 23 they cut the spare tire lock. Someone on forums mentioned interior floor/cup holder lighting in 21s but gone in 22 (not sure on this one). Also in 21s, but not 22s where air vent dampener dials for each vent. auto-start/stop in some models(my 22xlt 5.0) and for 23 center rear bed camera on some lower trim models. Bigger features was deletes for park assist and some other tech features(don't remember details). Huge hit for me was dropping HDPP for 23XLT, but I got lucky and found a 22xlt with HDPP. I'm sure I missed things too. A few of these were silently cut without notifying dealers until trucks showed up. Oh on my truck they dropped Sirius XM from the radio headunit upgrade, but I hate subscription radio so was fine. I'll stop rambling now :)
Be careful with the stop / start function. Every time the engine starts it uses the starter. When the starter goes out it’s around $1,500-$2K to have it replaced. The stop / start function is a Government mandate. I personally disengage it whenever I start my car. If I’m approaching a stop light which takes about 5 minutes before the light turns green, I’ll engage the system so my car will stop the engine during that long stop light. Otherwise I just allow my car to keep running. I’m glad you’re enjoying your F150. I LOVED both my 82 and my 96. Both of them had the 4.9L In-line (300) 6cyl. I could have bought the 5.0L (302) V8 but I needed the low end torque of the 6cyl. I changed the oil every 3K miles (conventional oil) and when I switched to full synthetic oil I started changing the oil every 4K miles. I put 3/4 ton suspension on the rear of those F150s as I hauled a Lot of equipment to our oil wells. I worked those pickups hard, but I didn’t abuse them. I changed the front and rear differential, transfer case and transmission flush every 30K miles. My 82 was a XL trim and my 96 was an XLT. The 82 was a regular cab with an 8’ bed and the 96 was a super cab with the 8’ bed as well. It took them awhile to get up to freeway speeds, but once I got to 70mph, they ran as smooth as silk. I put just over 350K miles on my 82 and almost 450K miles on my 96. I had a pwr brake booster go out on my 82. The weak spot on the 4.9L was the water pumps. They would last for around 50K-75K miles and had to be replaced. I bought my 82 in 83 as a high school gift to myself. I paid for 1/2 of it and my parents paid the other 1/2. The man I bought it from wanted a F150 with a 351 V8 to tow a large boat which he had just purchased. My dad was a mechanical engineer and told me that an In-line 6cyl would last longer than a V6 or a V8. An In-line 6cyl has 40% less moving parts than a V6. I had an old 63 F350, In-line 6cyl, 3spd standard transmission that was absolutely worn out and I let it get too low on oil and threw a rod out of the block. I needed another pickup when I bought my 82. After buying my first new vehicle in 96 , my dad kept my 82 for work around our family’s farm for grunt work. For smaller pickups we always had Ford Ranger’s. I drove my 96 until 2019 when I bought our 2011 Ford Ranger 4WD XLT, super cab. Our Ranger had only 20K miles on it in 19. It’s a very durable pickup (between my wife and I it’s our 4th Ranger). We just use it for work around our property and it has only 35K miles on it currently.
@@Doc1855 Those inline six 300's were really something. I drove one of these in a panel van in the early 80's for a TV repair shop, and it never quit. cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 It would be AWESOME if Ford brought them back ! The reason why Ford stopped building them was because they said that the In-line 6cyl wouldn’t pass federal emissions, which was a Lie. BMW still makes the In-line 6cyl engines for their vehicles and now Mazda is bringing them back in the new CX-90. Ford realized that they were bulletproof and lasted forever ! Enjoy your day !
I ordered a 22' Platinum PowerBoost "unicorn" 157" and I love it.. The truck does everything I need it to do, it's my daily and it pulls the boat and my RV just fine. I'm a little skinny on the payload as it's a loaded truck but that's the trade off. Wouldn't change a thing!
Great review! I was actually considering purchasing an F150 w/ power boost, but your comment about the 2.7 changed my mind. I have done a lot of research and the 2.7 seems extremely reliable.
Semper Fi Steven. The 2.7L is a great option if you don't need or find value in the 7.2Kw PPO. Watch the tear-down video on the 2.7L engine by the youtube channel "I Do Cars" and you'll learn some new things. cheers
I orderd a new 2022 Powerboost. Zero negative Issues. Has not been back to the dealer. I tow a 6k Travel Trailer. I use the 7.2 all the time to power the Trailer. If you have a trailer any other choice doesn't make sense.
Question: how does towing/power get affected in cold weather? I've heard that hybrids suffer in cold weather, generally. I've never owned one and am worried that the truck will struggle if it's exposed to a lot of cold weather, has to tow a trailer in cold weather, or is stored outside in cold weather consistently. Any thoughts?
@@Hyrodeniamandibulata Nice, that's great to hear! I'm probably going to get one. Sadly, the only ones at my local dealers have the 2.4kW inverter, not the 7.2kW option. But I guess it's still decent enough.
I have almost the same truck except I have the 5.0 L motor 4wd and i live in south east Florida. Now you might ask why a 4wd however I have a 25ft center console boat and its a major plus on the slippery boat ramps. I found the 5.0 to be perfect for me and i do average 22.0 MPG.considering my driving is mostly highway when I'm not towing the boat. I do have the 302A Trailing package 331 gears with the locking rear end and of coarse the 360 camera system. I gained alot from your videos especially while i waited the 6 months to get my truck and watching your videos on tracking. Everything you have done has been spot on. Maintenance for my oil has been easy. If asked I would do it again exactly how I ordered it. Also at the time i ordered mine there were no 5.0 4wd to be had in Florida unless it was ordered. Dealers mostly had 2.7 and a rare few 3.5L motors and even less with 4wd. My suggestion if you don't want to settle is to order it, get what you want and at the time i ordered mine they gave a $1000 incentive to order it and not get one off a lot.
Thanks Richard! I agree with your comments, I would not have gotten the 6.5' bed without special order. Besides, when I was shopping for a truck there was ZERO inventory. And I would never insult someone from FL for getting 4WD; I've gotten stuck in the strangest places in 2WD. You just never know when you'll need it. Cheers and let me know what else I can create of value to you.
Same reason I have 4x4, in the Keys at low tide, my ramp is slimy... 4x4.... no issue!!! But I do have to say, I have had 5.0 and my current is 2.7. I prefer the 2.7 because 99% of the time, I'm not towing my Cobia. Great fuel economy and off the line, the 2.7 is quicker. It is also a cast block and not aluminum. As far as reliability, 220000 miles says it is quite reliable.
I did the same truck search this year with no experience in trucks and came up with a very similar decision to yourself. I didn’t need the power boost so we took the 2.7. The sweet spot seems to be in the upper level of the XLT.
@@danielmoeller8457 I'm going to shoot for 300k on this engine. Nice to hear that you've done so well. The 2.7L might be the best engine Ford has made since the inline 6 300. cheers
I Have a 22 powerboost platinum with a 6.5' bed BUT ALSO with tow mirrors. The real unicorn! LOL I drove a 2017 King Ranch 250 for 5 years and really liked the truck but hated the ride , turning radius and fuel millage. So that lead to what I have now. But loved the 6 1/2' bed and tow mirrors so I made sure to ordered them with the truck. I will say that this is the best vehicle I have ever owned and it's not even close. I'm at 46K so far and I;m 55 y/o. so I've had a lot of rides over the years. You said it best when you sated " it's a Swiss Army Knife" 100% RIGHT!!
Thanks Bobby I'm coming up on three years and 34k and this might be the best vehicle purchase I've ever made over 40 years. Sure, I've owned some great Hondas but nothing so damned useful (and comfortable!) as this truck.
The 6.5 bed is the bomb. With that said I don't think an 8' bed with supercrew would work in town very well. 20' long with the 6.5' bed as it is! cheers
I have the exact same truck. Except for no sliding window and I opted out of the console shift. Same color and package. A little cheaper out the door. My only problem was I had to clear the transmission learning tables and drive a specific relearning test loop. My transmission shifted like crap when I got it. Re-setting the adaptive learning tables with FORSCAN and driving the mandated initial re-learn pattern for a few miles was the fix.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Google is my co-pilot! Found the fix on a Ford F-150 forum. BTW (if you have not already) Replace your license plate light bulbs with LEDS before the cheap halogens (2021 they used LEDS) start to burn and discolor the bulb sockets. I also added Husky rear wheel well liners to protect the inner rear wells and a PCV oil catch can. I love the Truck, reminds me of the ride and quiet of my 1994 Buick Roadmaster! Our trucks really could be twins. I was lucky the dealer honored the original quoted price (I waited 9 months for the Truck) and interest rates were 2.9% at the time (AUG 2022). You are right, had I waited the price increases would have been a deal killer.
@@wilsonle61 Absolutely, that was one of the first videos that I did on this channel. (license plate light r/r) Yes, the ride reminds me of those Lincoln Town Cars or Cadillac Fleetwood land yachts. I really still look for reasons to drive it, and the longer the trip, the better. cheers
DC Ford; I found the video very helpful. I am going to be in the Market for a new truck next year 2024. Helpful in explaining the pros and cons as well as the ability to go and not take care of business when ordering this type of vehicle the cost. With the cost of vehicles going up yearly, it seems the longer you wait the more you will pay a ribbon, expecting the cost of the vehicle to go down as a ramp up. I hate seeing this happening because it’s getting to the point where it’s going to price me out of the market and I really don’t want to go and continue to go in downgrade what I want. I was looking at the lariat and it may be cheaper to go buy a used truck
And step down to an XLT model. Instead, this would be a huge blow for me. It’s been my heart set to get a Ford Lariat model because of the additional options within this model. Now ! I just don’t know.
and step down to a lesser model. That’s a let down and possibly a deal breaker for me. I normally look at Ford products only because I have great luck with their products over the years.
My 2021 Powerboost Lariat 2wd loaded was the same MSRP $63K. I bought it new in 2021. No issues at all since new. I just completed a 270 mile trip with the average speed at 76 mph all Interstate I averaged 25.1 MPG. Love 7.2 onboard generator. I have pulled 7000+ loads and get 11-12 mpg. I have the maxtow and it tows like a dream. On short trips I get above 25 mpg, 28 mpg.
Watch out for your rear axle bolts, Chad! The max tow likes to break them. I don't know if they have corrected that yet but you might want to mention it to your service department and see if they can swap them out. Although....Ford likes you to break things first before they replace. Glad you like your truck, I honestly look for reasons to drive it even a year later after initial purchase. Just a great vehicle.
I’m looking at a king ranch 2021 with about 25k miles on it. I almost pulled the trigger on it but needed to know more about this power boost thing that I’m not very aware of. Use to driving 6.7 Cummins in a 2500 but I want a smoother ride. Not getting any younger and want car like feel without loosing to much of my towing ability
@@carternelson410 None of us getting any younger. I can attest to smooth ride in late-model F-150, to me it feels like driving one of those old land yachts like the Fleetwood or Town Car. Smooth, tons of torque, and quiet. Just be aware the PowerBoost is not the most efficient under tow. Find the channel called "army property" who does 100% towing on his fleet of trucks and put on 50k miles towing with his 21 powerboost. You'll know a lot more about the characteristics of towing on a 21PB after listening to him. Cheers.
Been test driving a 2023 xlt powerboost, looking at trading in a 2022 tundra off road. Compared to the toyota the toyota is smoother. Gas pedal is super stiff on the xlt but i do like that you can lock the diff in 2 high. Not sure how well it will do on the beach my tundra is excellent. Was looking at one for the generator not sure if the trade off in quality and reliability is worth it. Had just driving the Ford of the lot 49 miles on the odometer and an engine light came on. Took it right back. Left in my toyota.
How do I access the bow thruster? I have a 23 and am quite happy after 3 days of ownership. Replacing a 2000 Ranger and wow, they have come a long way.
Came from a Mitsubishi lancer to the powerboost in 2022. 2is years later and I have over 50k miles on it. Love it. Light towing a few times a year. All around a great truck. One thing I'm having issues with is the cats and vapor blocking valve are intermittent with the engine light. Also I have to replace the left backdoor speaker lol
Have to say, pretty spot on. I'm not new to trucks, between Toyota, Nissan, Chevy etc, I keep going back to Fords. My dear, loved gray ghost 2016 F150 2.7 ecoboost has over 220000 miles and finally my local dealer is selling 3k under MSRP. So just did a build for my new one. I don't need the generator, I live in the Keys and having a generator already is mandatory. I also prefer the super cab (not super crew) as my pups are bostons and prefer smaller spaces. I love the suicide doors on the super cab as they make loading groceries etc easy in tight parking spaces, especially after ford made them open all the way back. I haul my boat, +/- 5000lbs, don't need the 5L or 3.5. I absolutely love that my 2.7 takes all of about 10 min to do an oil change, like you... religiously, why after 220000 miles, it still brings a grin when I hit the gas. So, with the 302A package, FX4 package, trailer tow and basically every option on an XLT, my build through my local dealer came in at under $60K. On top, any build was $3k off MSRP. After returning customer rebates and Ford credit 3.9%, will be paying around $600/mo for less time than my faithful gray ghost. I got carbonized gray so new one is gray ghost II. You are right, a slight load makes a hell of a difference, I have a topper and it is set up like a teardrop trailer so I have about 600lbs in the bed all the time. That and bilstein shocks (I'm hoping the FX4 package covers that without me compressing the springs and putting my life at risk) covers the minor roll and suspension issues I had. Overall, I love the F150's I've had. Most reliable by far and a pleasure to drive. As I said, my current one has over 220000 miles and I will miss her, just can't wait for new adventures on my just ordered 2023.
A video I'm working on is how I plan to get my F150 to 300k miles. Anything besides normal oil changes led to your 220k? And I hope you got a 6.5' bed with that SCAB! cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 yes, 6.5' bed. Long enough for me to sleep and long enough for most of my fishing rods. I have actually never done anything but normal oil changes on the engine, I use Castrol synthetic at factory recommend intervals. I have not even changed the plugs but I do drive it quite hard. The early turbo issues were attributed to people never using them (slow, 10 min drives to work, etc) the dump valves never being opened would freeze up due to condensation. This engine likes to be run hard and fortunately, I like to oblige it.
I get about 19 overall in my ‘21 2.7 just for comparisons sake, and man I agree with you both about getting the crew cab and 4wd. I got the supercab 2wd and regret it on a daily basis haha
David I had everyone in my circle telling me to go 2WD. That *one time* I got stuck it was worth it to have 4WD. I also put the truck into 4WD when I work on the truck under ramps. Your 2.7L is a great motor, enjoy what you have. cheers
Very Honest review. Not some fan boy talking it up or a real pissed off customer who has had the miss fortune of getting a lemon. I had a 2019 Ford Raptor but at 11,000 miles started to have cam phaser issues. I did not want to go threw that level of engine tear down and then hope the issue did not return. So i dumped it and picked up a 2021 Toyota Tundra 5.7. I'm Not crazy about the old school styling But I did get the 1794 TRD Off road so it rides pretty nice. I'm not a Toyota fan boy I actually love the styling of the GMC but after doing all my research I had to go with the most reliable 1/2 ton pick up on the plant. So far just a few oil changes no issues. Drove it from florida and up threw the Smoky's a few times the truck did just fine on those mountain roads 6 speed transmission was actually really nice to drive very smooth never hunted for gears. I'm pretty happy for a truck I'm not very fond of the looks. But I know I t will take care of me 300,000 miles down the road. Life is all about knowing what to give and what not to take.
During all the inventory and supply chain issues of 2021, I came very close to doing exactly what you did, going for a last-model Tundra. Then checked on getting the new gen Tundra and was completely turned off by dealer attitude and markup. Was all-in for a Tundra and expected reliability up to that point. Glad it turned out well for you. thanks....
Sir that was probably the most in-depth car review video I've seen. Thank you for taking the time to do everything you did that was great! But sad that you have to put 32k down, the cost of what a new truck use to be less 10 years ago. Just to still be in 600 a month payment range, Just crazy. But the video was great!
Thanks David! Had to keep the payment below $400 to keep happy wife. 🙂Yes, it stinks that something like this costs so much but damn if it hasn't brought a ton of value and utility to me. Hope it lasts forever. Cheers
Good review. Hit the right hi-lites and points of interest for me. Think I'll wait for the '24 models to actually rollout to the local dealerships, though.
Have the regular 3.5, non power boost. Taking the skid plate off allows easier access to oil filter, but we shouldn’t have to go through that just to change oil. I run Shaeffer’s full synthetic and change when 5% life left and let dealership do it. That’s around 10,000 miles, and I could go longer without worry with shaeffers if I wanted . Paying the dealership once a year, is better then making a mess on the floor, or wrestling skid plate off. You say people think you’re crazy buying without driving first? That’s ridiculous. The largest Dodge ram dealer in the country sells 90% of their trucks site, unseen.. I’ve did it twice there and had another custom truck ordered and built with a sleeper (Ram 4500) sight unseen. Absolutely no regrets.
Thanks for posting your very thorough review. One thing I would add about mpg figures on the Powerboost is that they are a bit misleading, in that they are based on distance only. For example, when you stop at a red light, stop sign, or sit in traffic and you are only using battery none of this gets factored into your mpg figure since you aren't moving any distance. But, at the same time, you are not using any gas - as would be the case with the 2.7 or any non-hybrid engine. So, there is a definite saving when running on battery while idling that doesn't get factored into the mpg.
Hi David - I do not think that the numbers are misleading. After all, all you care about is the number of miles that you were able to traverse on one gallon of gas. The EV portion of the hybrid does a great job converting what is normally lost energy via braking...into stored energy. Normal ICE-only vehicles just shed that lost energy as heat. In addition, many ICE-powered vehicles use start/stop technology to arrest the engine during stops...is that misleading? The fact that the EV portion of the hybrid does a more efficient job of employing "waste" power is progress, it's not misleading. The marginal energy that you're adding is still the gas in the tank, yes? Power expended in the electric motor is essentially (but not totally) free. I understand the point that you're trying to make but I'm saying that it's OK to compare apples and oranges when the marginal cost is the same - the cost per gallon in fuel. Cheers.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Thanks very much for your reply. I understand your thoughts. I guess I am looking at this purely as an out-of-pocket cost for gas purchase analysis. An (exaggerated) example would be 2 trucks idling in traffic for 12 hours straight - one a Powerboost, the other a regular 3.5 engine (all other things on the trucks being equal). Over the course of those 12 hours the Powerboost, by means of switching over to battery every so often, will have used less gasoline over that time span than the regular 3.5, thereby giving a savings to the wallet. In miniature, this happens every time a PB stops at a red light, stop sign, traffic, etc.
Also, I wanted to thank you for posting the video about replacing the fuel door pin. I just took care of mine. It works fine and it's good to know that a broken plastic pin will no longer be a potential issue. Please keep up the good work!
Very impressive video! Very helpful. Looking forward to investing in a truck. But probably will assist wife in getting a sports utility and wait on my dream vehicle (truck)
I have almost the same build as you on my 2022 power boost. Love it but it is quirky. Nothing major but it’s like driving a computer. Sometimes you have to turn it off and restart like rebooting a computer. Mostly CarPlay not connecting. Mileage is good in the summer, 22-23 mpg. In a cold Minnesota winter with the high ethanol winter fuel it drops to 16-17 mpg though. In summer it runs electric around 20% of the time, winter it drops to around 10%. I’ve never had a vehicle that had such a huge swing in mpg winter vs summer. I drive it easy most of the time but once in a while I’ll kick it down to have some fun 😁 Great review on the 2022 power boost!
Andy I have very similar experiences with performance variance summer/winter. There is some drop-off in performance of winter blend fuel, but I think most of what we're seeing is a cold HV battery that takes a while to warm up and put out the amps. Yeah, nothing like exercising the waste gates and letting the turbos do their thing on highway onramps! cheers
I ordered a 2023 Atlas Blue Lariat 3.5 ecoboost w/a short box, 360 camera, max tow/payload package, and tow mirrors, I opted out of the powerboost as it bought the tow rating down more than I was comfortable with. I saw today on the tracking app that my dealer got it Monday the 7th so should get a call soon to pick it up....can't wait
lol I think I was camped out the next day waiting for them to turn it over to me. Surprising how much prep work they have to do to release the truck. Congrats and I hope you love it!
Thanks for the video, made me realise that the PowerBoost truck I'm looking at doesn't have the ProPower onboard, I thought this came standard. I would also miss the 360˚ cameras which I really enjoy in our 2022 F150.
I just edited the info on the video to include this. The monitor next to my Sync4 screen at 8:30 in the video is an app called OBDLink which interfaces with the OBDLink MX + Bluetooth Scanner. This is the very best OBD2 dongle for the F-150 as it includes a whole package of Ford-specific PIDs for monitoring your truck. The OBDLink MX_+ is available on Amazon at this link: amzn.to/3pHMkPB
Thanks Alfredo! Even after two years I really don't want anything else. Some items would be "nice to have" on the Lariat like 4A, leather, driver screen, etc but honestly of very little utility to me where I live. cheers.
Stumbled on your video 12 hours before picking up my unicorn. It’s a new 23’ specked the same as yours minus moonroof and with tow mirrors. Surprising found sitting on a lot. Msrp is 66,190…the dealer dropped the price by 13,500 due to it being in their fleet program it only has 200 miles. Also 2.9% right now. I think it’s a good deal and can’t wait to power my of grid hunting cabin with it.
Nice find, Jeff. You don't find many 6.5' PowerBoost beds out running in the wild. Sounds like you got a great deal as well. Hope you love it. Cheers..
This is a very good and realistic video, with excellent advice (which many people who just "have to have" the new $66,000 truck (good luck with getting it for that) will ignore. And then regret. One piece of advice to be a bit wary about is asking the dealer sales person to help you decide which truck you need. That's like asking the devil which fire pit to jump into. The devil will always say jump into the hottest one.
Better sales people today are more consulation-driven and will ask all the questions to help you solve a problem, instead of ramming their solution down your throat like the old days. Of course, there are still the old dinosaurs out there.
I have a 2022 hybrid 6.5 bed very much the same but I was going basic XL for price didn't get 7.2kw although the resale might be better later. Now Ford to fill my order last summer took a XLT and stripped out to make it. So dash XL, front lights XL LED rear. Vin XLT to insurance XLT dash small upper glove door. Didn't get 360 camera but should have. The bench 3 seat didn't have the arm rest clove box it was suppose to. Got tow package. I find the same as you, oil filter a pain, have a quick oil drain plug, CAT plate underside. There is no transmission dipstick but put aftermarket cable one on. Don't like the shifting and hybrid to gas change it can bog down on dead stop start to jump into traffic. As it rarely hit second goes 1 to 3. Love the 20-24 mpg. 28 plus on local below 60. I would do it again as my first choice was '22 Tundra has more problems that a friend got. I ordered April '22 got it August, didn't pay MSRP but 4k less than, plus extras like bed sprayed rear end sprayed too by line X. Thanks for the info.
If you're sitting in park with the truck on, and the aircon running, would the engine spend most of its time off, only occasionally starting up for a few minutes every so often to charge the battery? I'm wondering about the possibility of pulling over to take a good nap in a nice cool cabin (or warm, as the weather may require), and not have the engine run at idle for entire time-not to mention a potential CO issue. Thanks so much for your many informative videos.
Hi DR...yes, everything is run electrically from the powerboost system. So in this case, the AC is run electrically and the engine will come on every so often to recharge the HV battery. I know this as I was waiting for the better half outside the grocery store last night without turning off the truck. Spent 95% of the time with engine off, occasionally would start up and run for 30-45 secs. cheers
I have a '21 Powerboost w/ 6.5 ft bed in Lariat trim that I ordered in May '21 and picked up in October '21. For those times, I got a decent deal by paying $1,000 over invoice, which was still about $3,000 below MSRP. Most dealers were charging at least MSRP, if not $1,000 or more over. Just rolled over 40,000 miles and the only mechanical problem I've had were misfires at the first of July '22. Bad ignition coil replaced in about an hour at the dealer. My only other complaints have been a slightly disappointing MPG and dust. I usually run about 20.5 MPG, but most of my driving is on highways at >60 MPH. Still much better than my 2005 F-150 which was only getting about 14 MPG. I also live on very dusty gravel roads and can't keep the interior clean. I don't think the weatherstripping is done well, as i can see areas where dust makes it through. Dirt also builds up on the inside of the door between the weatherstipping and the door edge, particularly at the bottom. A huge cloud of dust billows into the cab every time a door is opened. The dark interior makes it look terrible.
Great review ! I own a 2016 F150 with the 5.0 V8 and soo far it's been fairly reliable with noo issues so far . Idk what I would replace it with when the time comes , maybe I might get a Toyota 4Runner .
My '22 Powerboost Lariat 502A is 1 year old and has 20,000 miles. It has averaged 20.5 mpg over those miles. I made the mistake of going with the Max Tow option so I'm just waiting for my rear axles to break. So far I've had the rear pinion seal replaced and the door keyless entry keypad replaced twice. I have to say my transmission has been flawless which is really appreciated after the nightmare of my 2019 502A Lariat transmission; I do not experience the downhill shift issue you mentioned.
Thanks Ross...yeah I'm really happy with the tranny now after patiently waiting for it to "learn" my driving. I think a software update done in the middle of the night corrected it. I have not ever once used my keypad entry...now where is that code?
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 I don't use the keypad often, but I didn't like it flopping against my door driving down the highway. On the second replacement, dealer said Ford reverted back to the metal retaining clip they used to use rather than the plastic clip they implemented in 2021 model.
@@joelbabin4365 Hi Joel, the axles themselves are not breaking, but rather the Rear Axle Half Retaining Bolt. Known problem for 9.75" HD axles. See Customer Satisfaction Program 22B34. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch of bolts installed in 2022 or if they're still seeing them now.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Very interesting. Thanks for the quick response. I'm going to look into this a bit more. With the hybrid set up, having the max tow doesn't seem as critical vs non-hybrid.
It would be interesting if you did a vid on truck vs van. I have a Honda Ridgeline with a shell and I'm considering going to a van for more volume. The Honda has a 5' 4" bed and my old first gen Tundra had the 6.5' bed. It doesn't sound like a lot, but that extra foot makes a difference when hauling longer items. Your vids make a compelling argument to go back to a truck, specifically the truck you have.
I used an 07 Odyssey for the longest time to transport materials for projects and while you can park an amazing amount of stuff in those vans, the hassle is in removing the seats which are/were not light. I guess it's the compromise that you have when you try to get one vehicle to do everything. I carry fewer passengers now vs. when the kids were young and had friends, so the truck with a decent bed length is a no-brainer for us now.
I own the 2021 version everything except no sunroof or sliding rear window i paid 54k used i did trade for a nice Diesel when prices for fuel were going crazy. The Ford has been great. Way more features than i'll ever use. I have 5 1/2' bed wish i had 6.5' bed. But no complaints. On highway im at 21.1-6. On electric its like a tesla.
Looks nice. My neighbor has the same truck. His intention was to utilize it a home power backup. We did in fact have a multi-day outage this past winter. Couple things of note: He had some kind of (software?) problem where it kept kicking off during the outage. He resolved that with Ford, I believe. Also, the daytime running lights remain on, which looked kind of silly in his driveway all night with the neighborhood power out. Additionally, I saw that he had to go get more fuel in gas cans with his other car to refill the truck to keep it running the house. Looked like a big hassle over all. I'll stick with my quiet, efficient portable generator.
It can be kind of tricky to use as a home backup due to the bonded nature of the generator and the need for the panel that you're attaching to...to be isolated between ground and neutral, like a subpanel. No one is buying a $60K truck to primarily use as a home backup, but man is it convenient if you are camping or boondocking or just need tool power on a jobsite. Thanks for your comment! cheers
I have a non power boost 3.5tt. Last wknd on my way home from a trip that was 300kms, about 180 miles. I averaged 10.7L / 100k Just over 26 mpg Driving pretty much the whole way home at 120km/hr. Pretty happy with it
Thank you for the comprehensive presentation. You addressed so many points that are critical in making a sound purchasing decision. I have been a Ford person and in the mid 70s went with the Toyota Tacoma. Since there has been 6 trucks. My recent being a 2017 double cab 4x4. The quality is significantly different than past trucks. I’m not empresses with the build and the dealership service is horrible. Back in 2012 I special ordered a 2013 Ford Expedition EL with the 5.4 V8. It has 140,000 miles and gets 14mph consistently. We use it to haul our travel trailer. It’s my wife’s daily driver and she loves it. Frustration with my Tacoma is at my wits end. I was looking at a new Toyota, however my research clearly shows there are much better options. Several friends drive both the 2.7 and the 3.5 F150s with four wheel drive. I would prefer the 5.0 in a crew cab 4x4. Looking at a used 2020-2023. Any thoughts would be appreciated. By the way I am 77yrs old and a 100% combat disabled Marine Infantryman Vietnam. Appreciate you post!
Thanks Robert and you Marines had a rough tour in the Nam. Don't forget that lots of things changed from 2020 to 2021, mostly for the better. Should be lots of 5.0 gen14 crew cabs available these days. Good luck whatever you decide sir. cheers
Great advice! Had a 2015 2.7 4x4. Had 0 issues with truck at 111000. Sad news was lost truck in Jan 2024 due to a person pulling out in front of me causing me to t bone them. Everyone ok! Truck wasn’t due to Brent frame and rear axle that hit curb from spinning around. Insurance totaled truck. Guess what I had to do! Yes buy a new truck! So beware and take this man’s advice. Great job on letting us know!👍
I feel really lucky. Went to the dealer lolking at f350. Walked out with a 23' with the exact options you have excpet i have max trailer ans doesnt have the B and O stereo. Only 500 miles in but i love it. Disnt know i could get a f150 that basically replaced my 2011 F350 with the 6.2 ans i get double the milage!! Very happy :) Great video!!!
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Noah! Still very happy with mine about two years and 22k in. Why the hell did I wait so long to get one of these big swiss army knives that can do everything?! cheers
I really love the Powerboost but unfortunately new trucks were (are) so expensive that I went with a used, late model 13th gen instead. Btw I live in snow climate and 4A is not a must in my opinion. However, I would highly recommend having 4x4 for the same reasons you stated.
People that have it and live in the snow seem to love it. I wish I had something like that growing up in the snow belt. We just spun and hoped for traction. cheers
Excellent video, Im in the process of turning in or buying my leased 2021 hi end ford truck, Your video hit on most all of my questions. It is late in the 2023 model year so it looks like Im going to have to find or order a 2024. Thanks
So what do you think about the Honda Ridgeline ? midsize truck, about $20 grand cheaper, good engine etc .. For one that doesn't do alot of towing or off roading etc .. doesn't the Ridgeline make alot of sense for most truck buyers ??
Hi Jimmy, I've been buying Honda products for 40 years, and they have treated me well. With that said, the Ridgeline doesn't have the bed size, load capacity, and towing capacity that I was looking for. Honda builds a truck based on an SUV chassis for people that aren't sure that they need/want a full-sized truck. That's just my opinion; I'd point you to any number of excellent segment reviews on how the Ridgeline stacks up in the mid-size category, that's not my intent with this video. cheers
I have a 2021 Powerboost XLT 4x4.. Had no idea about this Idea.. The HYBRID. And at 16.000 miles, it suprized me for the gas mileage it gets.. High 25,26 miles per gallon and higher in the city, perfect for all the things I do, 24 mph pulling my trailer with my rider on it!
Thanks for the thoughtful collation of info - really appreciate the effort. I have a 2020 Lariat 3.5 Ecoboost model, and I am looking for an update. There seems to be a fair amount of inventory, so perhaps I'll find a deal on the Powerboost. I would really like the onboard power, and slightly better fuel economy.
Thank you for a comprehensive and very balanced review. I have narrowed it down between a new Tundra and a 2.7L F150. I am leaning towards the Ford as they have better deals now.
Thanks...I was all-in for the new Tundra until the dealers started playing games with "market adjustments." Decided to go for the Ford and have not looked back. cheers...
If you worry about the 2.7, at least from my prospective, dont... if you are not towing huge loads, it is more than enough and as far as reliability goes, I have over 220000 miles on mine and never a problem, love it so much I just ordered a new one with a 2.7.
@@danielmoeller8457what kinds of loads have you towed with your 2.7? Have you driven it at higher altitudes at all? I'm thinking about driving this in Colorado, so I'm wondering how that goes.
@markovchainz8314 have been as high as Mt Evans, not towing a load but packed to the gills. My boat is about 6k lbs and it does great at sea level, I don't tow it to the mountains. I did just purchase a new one with the 2nd gen 2.7, and while I loved the 2016, this one is much improved so far. Smoother idle with A/C on, good 3 to 4 gpm better with a 3.73 locking rear end and 10 speed. Old one had 3.55
Very nice review. Love the honest and simple approach in critiquing your truck. Other so-called RUclips reviewers can take a lesson from you. Btw me personally would go with the 5.0 litre V8 compared to the turbo models. There are several surveys out there asking Ford mechanics what they personally would get. A majority say the V-8. Again nicely done!
Yeah I've seen those videos by the Alabama dealer where the sales guy interviews the mechanics. PowerBoost 3.5L was a no-brainer for me based on the capabilities. Would wager that most of those mechanics have little training on the hybrid thus recommending stuff that they prefer to work on vs. the capabilities that the hybrid powertrain adds. No doubt I wouldn't mind a V8 rumble though! cheers
Just bought 24 F-150 King Ranch with the powerboost and love it. Actually bought out of state for 11K off truck. Now they come with 7.2 kw when get power boost. Do you put 87 octane or 91? The manual says 87 ok but full engine performance says 91; that's a good difference in price at pump. Great job with video!!
Great video, thank you for a very detailed review video. I'm driving a 2009 F150 Supercrew FX4 6'5" bed, right now my average is 14.5 mpg, with a Gas price (California Costco) of $5.40 it does kinda hurt my pocket. Now I'm in the market for a new truck (don't guess it wrong my 2009 is 320k miles and still running strong) this power boost seems very promising and pretty fits in with my needs.
I’m watching your review with interest. Thanks for sharing real world feedback. I have a 2015 F150 Lariat FX4 Super Cab with the 6.5 foot bed. All custom ordered like I do all my vehicles. It was a leap of faith for me: first year for the 2.7. First year for the aluminum body. And yep: I had never driven a 2015 F150. But the F150 is the Ford franchise. They aren’t going to screw it up. 152,000 miles later; the truck has only asked for regular maintenance. It sees a lot of road trip use, where the 36 gallon tank can knock down 720-800 miles with ease. Like you I do my own oil changes: Mobil 1 EP every 5000 miles. It’s cheap insurance. Finally, the 2.7 proved itself so well that 6 months after ordering, I just took delivery of a 2023 Bronco Outer Banks Lux Package two door. The 2.7 was a no brainer especially with the gen2 getting port plus DI. Oh yeah: Another vehicle that I bought without driving first. Verdict: I freaking love it! Like driving a Hot Wheels car in real life.
Just to make you feel even better, I have a 21 Tundra. Last year, my wife drove the truck 18,215 miles. The total cost was $7,182.85 or 0.39 dollars per mile. Insurance for 12 months was $1,330.95. Here gas price in WA is quite elevated. The average cost per gallon last year was $4.28/gallon. Our registration cost is way lower though. I paid like 115insh dollars, plus minus $2 or $3.
Your Tundra has the last-gen V8, correct? That would make sense that the operating costs are a little higher. That's a great truck, however, and I was SOOO tempted to grab one instead of waiting. cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Yes, it is the last model year with the V8 and I love this truck. My wife likes the F150 but this one was with leather and cheaper than the Lariat she chose back then. For us the higher operating costs is not an issue since we have only one vehicle. Plus, my wife is the only driver (I do not drive due to my eye issues). She has a lead foot so even if we had bought the F150, the gas mileage would have been not that different with her style of driving.
Nice video-had a 2015 3.5 & currently 2019 V8. Love them both. Both Lariat crew cabs with 6.5 boxes & NO SUNROOFS by choice. If anyone truck hunting knows what they want tell the dealer to hunt for it in their system & eventually they will find one at another dealer. Worked for us.
I haven't done any towing, but...if I'm heading uphill with a load, I'll start to lock out the top gears to keep the revs a little higher and the boost a little lower. Also make sure you don't have the dreaded heat exchanger leak...is your coolant reservoir to the right level? cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 all levels were find. the engine temp on the gauge also didnt go up, which points to a sensor problem. regardless it doesn't make me feel good. First error came up during the winter a month after purchase. they said it was a sensor then with no explanation. the overheating happened 1 hour into the trip, with a 5 hour trip the week prior having no problems. the constant errors without concrete problems is where my frustration is coming from. gonna have to take it in again to hear some bs excuse.
@@PaperCut2UGaming I agree that the level of sophistication and technology with these vehicles is beyond the average tech's ability to diagnose. I'm sure I'll have my turn in the barrel. cheers
@@PaperCut2UGaming Seems as though the technology in the trucks has risen above the ability of the average tech to diagnose it. I've had no issues but my time in the barrel will come soon enough. Hang in there....
Lots of good info here, at this time 2024, I think the durability of 2.7 and 3.5 is about the same. The latest 3.5 has resolved cam phaser problems and 10R80 transmission has some upgrades. The 3.5 without the hybrid is still amazingly powerful. If you don’t really offroad, ford offers (or used to) a lowering kit to return vehicle to the 2wd ride height improving cornering and handling.
Hi Bruce, lots of other folks have added a rear sway bar and they swear it feels like a completely different truck. At about $600, I'll add it if I get bored. 🙂
Great video man. Couldn't be any clearer. I think the PB is the way to go. I went with a 22 Tundra because, for the price, it came with a boatload more features. Unfortunately the MPG is horrendous in comparison. Hope you keep enjoying your truck!
I was all-in on getting a new Tundra back in late 21 until I found that the dealer could not be less interested in selling me a truck. $5k "market adjustment" as well while Ford was selling flat MSRP. I'm sure that things have changed since then, the Tundra is a gorgeous truck. Cheers Kristofer
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Yeah there was a lot of that going around. Thankfully I was able to pay MSRP. I came from a 21 F150 STX, so I can share my thoughts on the differences, if you are interested. 1) Limited Tundra has a lot more features standard for 55k than you get with an XLT even with the 302a package. Sliding rear window, vented seats, adaptive cruise control, 360-degree cameras, straight backup assist for trailers, rear view camera. 2) The main differences: a. Better on the Tundra: Smoother ride because of the coil springs, a lot more features for the money, infotainment/ 14” screen is flawless, much smoother transmission and power delivery, towing feels more confident - likely because of the additional weight (1000lbs heavier!), love the button in the taillight to drop the tailgate, tiedown system is awesome. b. Negatives: The seats are rock hard! MPG is considerably worse than the equivalent 3.5L EcoBoost, definitely smaller inside, narrower sight lines, turning radius is poor, and a lower payload. And boviously, no Pro Power On Board! I solved this by going to 100% battery powered tools. All in all I like it better than the F150 STX simply from a value and feature standpoint. I gained a lot of features for about 10k. If I spent the money on similarly equipped Ford I have no doubt it would be better, but would have cost about 10k more. I do miss how the EcoBoost put you back in the seat though! It was an animal. Hopefully you found this interesting. 🤣
@@kristoferbrown8007 I think the only feature that you mentioned that my XLT does not have is vented seats. I do have a sliding rear window but it's not the awesome full window of the Tundra. Both sound like excellent trucks and I'll be interested to see if the Tundra offers the same long-term reliability as previous models. thanks...
@@fixorrepairdiy4609Boy, I'm looking at a PowerBoost right now but the reliability concerns pop up everywhere! The last thing I want to do is trade reliability for bells and whistles. Man, your video has me torn. 🤣
@@kristoferbrown8007 What, the "Consumer Reports" article? Pbbbbt. With a more complex platform you're going to invite more things to get sideways. Like everything, it's a tradeoff. Don't need all the economy and features of the PowerBoost? The 2.7L is a great choice as long as you're not towing a house. I see a huge endorsement ratio on reddit and the forums from current owners. Want even more reliability? Ditch the turbskis and go with the 5.0L NA engine. Check the reddit subs, there are tons of very happy powerboost owners, though. cheers
Any fear of the Battery failing at some point and having to replace it? That’s the only thing that deterred me away when looking at one. It actually has more hp and tq than both the 3.5 and 2.7 Ecoboost. That’s why I was interested in it
You have to understand how small this battery actually is and the replacement cost is not going to be like those nightmare Leaf or Volt cases...probably a lot less than $1000 if it ever dies. Ford's software really babies this battery so it should hold its value for a long time.
I had the 7.2kw Lariat with just about every option. Had the blue cruise after a a yr and several recalls along the way. 36k miles when I sold it and would not purchase again. I hated the rough shifting, the ride was great but shifting, sometimes it felt like something was going to drop out. The generator saw use 2x while camping, my towing experience wasn’t that great. I had a 2,700lb trailer and averaged about 11-13 mpg. I loved the stereo and blue cruise was fun and worked well. The local dealer service experience was the deciding factor in my selling, and refusal to buy another Ford. As I said in the 2 yrs I owned it there were at least 5 recalls, a major one required the windshield to be removed and they put the same windshield back in with the flaws they introduced. I had glass separating in 2 places that they refused to replace. They ground and painted the Pilar’s with no coverage on the dash or interior so dust and over spray was everywhere. Anyway as I said service sucked.
Good, comprehensive video. As a 4 time F150 owner I’ll share my perspective. My first was a 2011 base XLT 5.0 145” wheelbase. 2nd was a brand new 2014 XLT 3.5 EB 157” wheelbase. 3rd was a 2013 FX4 3.5 EB 157” wheelbase. My latest is a new 2023 Lariat 5.0 145” wheelbase. All Supercrews. My takeaways: although I loved the low end power and ease of towing with the 3.5 Ecoboost, I always regretted not going with the 5.0. It just feels right in my opinion and I REALLY missed that rumble … especially over 3k rpm. And ironically, both 5.0s got better gas mileage than either of the 3.5s. Once those turbos are spinning, they use a lot more fuel than people think. You get either Eco or boost, but not both. Regarding the 6.5 157” wheelbase, after owning 2, I wanted a 3rd. As you mentioned, they are very hard to find these days. Once I went back to the 5.5 145” wheelbase on the Lariat Sport, I noticed how nimble the truck felt. Plus slightly easier to park (I back into spots regardless of WB length). So no regrets there. In the end, I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the trims (particularly XLT and Lariat) or any of the engine options. I put nearly 300k total on my 3 trucks (only 2k so far on the ‘23), and except for having to replace one turbo at 75k, some minor cam phaser rattle, they were all problem free. None ever left me stranded. Ford makes a great truck!
Bought the same truck January of 2022. Now have 36k and zero problems. Best truck I have ever owned.
Its nice while its new, but the torque converter will required replaced by 50k-70k miles or the 10speed transmission is ruined.
high-mileage eco-boast is a nightmare to repair. Today I drive a tesla, and trusted 12v 5.9L desiel cummins ford f800.
I walked away from new ford anything after my last 2022 f150 nightmare coming from a 2017 f150 ruined transmission.
I also owned a 2020 f600 with the godzilla7.3l.
complete junk, the thing stopped turning off after the key was removed... brand new. I ended up giving it back and buy an older trusted 1998 ford f800 with the cummin diesel stock.
Thanks! I'm doing all the homework now because I'll be buying an F150 in the next 1 to 1.5 years to pull a 22' travel trailer in retirement. This was the most useful video I've seen to date!
My next major purchase will be a Nucamp teardrop. Good luck with your truck!
Can help with the trailer towing experience. Some thought I was crazy but I researched the specs and did the math. I have a 2023 XTR (upgraded the seats with after market leather). I am pulling a 2017 Cougar 28' 5th wheel that is about 9,500 lbs loaded. The problem is the stock tires are not really rated for the payload on the vehicle with the 5th wheel - should be ok with a hitch towed trailer as the load on the rear axle is not near as much.
The trick is I installed AirLift suspension airbags at the dealer and I put 10-ply, or category E tires on. Yup, this cost about an extra CAN $4K but it works. Pulled the trailer through the torture test from the middle of BC, through Montana, Utah, New Mexico, and onto Florida in the late summer. No problems. Towed just fine and has enough power to accelerate on hills. I got a few looks pulling into RV parks towing a 5th wheel with a half-ton. "Impossible! It can't be done!". Well ya, I've got 5,000 miles to prove it. (Averaged 8.8 mpg btw).
Using the truck for work, I much prefer the softer and smoother ride of the half-ton over the one-ton (F350 6.7 Powerstroke) I had purchased to tow the trailer. That was a lumber wagon. The trick is to get the truck and trailer level and stable, and set up the electric brakes properly. I have mine on 6.0 gain and used the manual controller from time to time on steep descents (continential divide a couple of times, etc). Kept the speed to a maximum of 65 mph as it really impacted the fuel use above that. The truck can pull at 70+ mph but not recommended for fuel and the rating on the trailer tires.
I also installed the Tire Minder TPS system which has been very useful. Keep in an eye on trailer pressure and temperature - especially in heat - helped a lot.
@@bigskygeneration4474 thanks for the post...what is your engine?
Let me know if you find out anything. My wife and I are doing the same thing. Canper and retirement. Thanks
@@deanschiedermayer704 I ended up getting a 2024 F-250 with the gas 6.8 "Minizilla" instead of an F-150. The 150 was a bit marginal and believe it or not, $20K MORE than the F-250 I bought. The 250 has everything I need, including the fancy camera/towing package, supercrew and 7' bed. I'm getting 16.5 mpg driving it to work and back. We also bought a new 2024 Jayco 23RK pull-behind and love them both. Excellent combo.
So very nice to watch an intelligent review, minus all the drama and misinformation provided by some.
I ordered my 2022 F150 Powerboost Lariat 502A on November 10, 2021 and it arrived on the dealer lot on May 10, 2022. I now have 29,000 trouble free kms. I agree with all of your points in the video. This has been a fantastic truck in all ways. I'm so glad that I ordered this truck rather than the Toyota Tundra I was considering ordering.
exactly what I thought I was going to buy as well. (Tundra) cheers...
I have 2022 Powerboost King Ranch with 15k on it. Zero problems with it. A pleasure to drive.
I have a solution for your handling that really improved my XLT. I replaced the OEM shocks on the back with Bilsteins and i added the hellwig rear sway bar. Its made a world of difference in comfort and handling.
Also bought the same truck, and it is hands down the best vehicle I have ever owned ever.
Thanks for this review. I'm in the process of switching from a compact car to a truck for practicality reasons. I ultimately landed on the F150 with the powerboost and this has reinforced my decision. Hearing a review from somebody else coming from smaller vehicles is great.
I also really appreciate your offer videos on taking the order process, as it's a pain to navigate.
Charles, I just drove my son's 2018 Accord and I felt like I was scraping my rear on the ground. I have come from years of Honda Accords which were great but I can't go back after driving this big jungle gym around for a year. cheers
The amount of thought and data that you included in your analysis is fantastic and earned an instant sub. Very happy to have found this channel!!
Thank for sharing this video, I have the exactly same truck with the 5.5 bed. I LOVE it , expensive but good value, I got six years extended warranty and service packages just for peace of mind.
Yeah, I did the same with the warranty. Just too many things to potentially break down the road.
@FixOrRepairDIY I really enjoy your video about using the 7.2 kw inverter to power your home. I use it twice here in Victoria BC. When we lost power, I just run two heavy-duty extension cord and was able to run some lights, internet, TV and my natural gas heater (electrical part of it) my neighbors were wondering what happened since the truck is so quiet.
@@TheCapitaocaverna2 Nice! That's my plan as well next time it happens here. cheers...
One of the best owner reviews I’ve seen on RUclips. Well organized and insightful. Well done and thanks!
Thanks!
Great review and insights from an actual owner. Very helpful. Thank you.
My 2016 with 2.7 got around 20 mpg in everyday driving, I'm getting around 22.5 with the 2023 PB in the same driving area.
If I stayed around 65 on the highway I could get around 21- 23 with the 2.7, with the PB I get about 25 - 26.
So you are correct if you are just upgrading for the MPG it would be a long time to recoup the cost. And I do think that the 2.7 is the best engine for these trucks, I had no problem towing a 29 ft RV with the 2.7.
Thanks Ron! Great feedback.
The published mpg numbers for the 3.5 ECO (not hybrid) vs 2.7 for 2023 are almost identical. What would make the 2.7L better than the 3.5 ECO? It seems with 4WD and some options the payload rating could become an issue.
Own '22 F150 XLT 3.5L sport 302a FX4 5.5 bed with Power Adjustable Pedals. Great video, well done! Dealers are the issue. Two reasons to avoid Powerboost hybrid: 1 complexity 2 payload reduction, latter important if you will tow >6,000#. The PB reduces payload (look for rating on the yellow sticker on driver door frame) about 300#, that reduces overall tow capacity about 2500#. The 6.5 bed 157 inch WB best for towing - longer WB important PAP is best option if multiple drivers, available now with XLT 303a option. Snows here in the great white north, no need for AWD. Save $, all that is needed is the XLT regular selectable 4WD. FX4 only if you do go off-road or have extreme gravel road travel. Also owned 18 F150 2.7L 302a sport. Both Great Trucks no issues. Best combo if you dont tow or light tow (
I am an owner 1:10 2012 F150 Ecoboost. It has 242,000 miles. It is a pulling son of a gun. However when you go to replacing the timing chain (twice), cam phaser (twice), and turbos (one so far), you will be shocked at cost. If I were to do it over again, I would sell it @ 100,000 miles.
Good to know how expensive was it?
@dieseldawg7132 Using all Ford parts the cost of changing timing chain and cam phasers was $900 each time and I did the job myself. Shop estimate was $2600. I had a shop change out a turbo (Ford part) for over $3,000. If I change out the other one, I will do it myself.
@ so no having to remove the cab to do most of that work? And I did a vw Passat turbo the other day wasn’t horrible but it being a car everything was crammed up…. I’m thinking about getting one of these fords!
@dieseldawg7132 no need to take off cab for timing chain/phasers or turbo. You do have remove alot on front of engine and on topside for timing chain. Turbos you just need to remove tire but access is very tight.
Thanks for the update. I have a similar F150.
Note, if you want the hybrid, you must get the super-crew. Hybrid is not available with super-cab or regular style.
I have a 302a XLT 2.4kw Powerboost and my one regret is that I didn't order the 6.5 instead of the 5.5 bed.
With respect to the 2.4kw generator, I have it and I've been happy. I haven't needed the 7.2kw and I don't know if I ever will. It's worth calculating how much power you really need for your use case. For some it may be worth considering the cost savings afforded by the smaller generator.
Thanks DW, great comment on the SCREW & Hybrid.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 what rear seat cover are you using, ie, a URL perhaps as I have pets and that looks like a good adder to keep the back seats clean. thx!
@@jameszeiger8533 My wife found it at LIDL for $12 a couple of years ago. Nothing fancy. I think WeatherTech or any of these other companies would sell something better, for more $$$.
“Like driving a big Swiss Army knife” that was awesome
Your truck is very similar to mine (2021 XLT 302 mid) in features and lack of issues. The 7.2 kw generator works faultlessly with my camper and the hot spot adds entertainment. The 7.2 kw also provided power for lights, multiple refrigerators and freezers, and fans for at least two houses for several days after a storm. Based on my truck you’re review and comments are spot on. Great Review!
Thanks, glad you're enjoying your truck!
Love your honesty/ frankness. Bought almost same 2022 F150 5.5 bed in blue November 2022, dealer had only 5 unsold in stock, one i bought was a customer canceled order that dealer retained the factory order. Had an opportunity to buy , same price , a grey power boost, decided against due to complexity but also due to reduced payload. Power boost 302a sport FX4 payload is 1535#, ICE 3.5L same options plus FX4, payload 1822#, GVWR 7050#.Payload critical if you tow. My towable is a 23 foot 5726# GVWR travel trailer 850# tongue weight loaded. Traded a 2018 F150 2.7L 302a sport with 1375# payload. Yeah that much difference. Beware the small V6 F150, they have a light duty frame, All V8 & 3.5 L F150 have medium duty frames, including bigger rear differential. Loved the 2.7L got 28 Can MPG highway, handled the TT nicely, but at / slightly over payload rating. The ICE 3.5L gets 1mpg less on highway. Replace today? Get the 2.7L with the 2.7L payload pkg, that will include the medium duty frame & beefier rear axle and a 1600 + payload with a 6900# GVWR. AWD Lariat is unnecessary, 4wd with locking rear axle is more than adequate. Remember the tires are the most important component, in Ontario the drivers that care about 4 season all weather traction own 2 full sets tyres, summer, winter rated.
thanks for the comment!
Do you recommend any tires for summer and winter?
I have a 12 F-150 SCab with the 6.5’ bed and I love the space. Helped someone move along with a Tundra 5.5’ and time and time again my truck just kept getting it done. The extra foot really matters if you really work your truck like a truck. Camping or hauling it is great.
This is really thorough and informative. Really appreciate your insight!!
I increased my ride quality with bilstein shocks
Which ones? And just the rear?
@@Ali_ON3 i believe 5100 and rear only
I installed hight adjustable eibachs on my powerboost. Great ride, not spongy and no body roll, plus a few inches of lift when I head north on logging roads. The only thing I dislike on my truck is the fiber board cover which soaks with water and falls off. I replaced it with an aftermarket skid plate cover.
I replaced my factory Platinum Powerboost shocks with the Ford Performance/Bilstein. Absolutely night and day, no spongy suspension no more!
Great video. Thank you!
"Paralysis by analysis" love that axiom
i just bought a 2024... god i hope they changed the oil filter access...i love changing my own oil
I live your videos! I had a 2021 F150 Power Boost 2.4Kw and absolutely loved it! I owned it for 2-1/2 years before I found your Hypermiling video, and agree with everything you stated. Very well done. It became an absolute game I played Hypermiling, and didn’t even know it. I just traded it in and bought a 2023 F150 Power Boost 7.2KW Lariet package. The fun continues!
Thanks Jon, hope you love the Lariat as well! cheers
Great video and I would say a very honest review. I have now had my PB (same exact truck, only mine is a short bed) the same amount of time that you have. If I were to make an annual review, it would be basically exactly the same as yours. I had to laugh about the parking dislike. I couldn’t agree more …. I came from driving a Tacoma which was way easier to park. Thank goodness for the 360 cameras. I also do my own oil changes and have not found the easy way to get that oil filter off. A few of the other things I really love on my PB is the Zone lighting - even though I don’t use it very often, I still like it and find it useful when needed and I really like the flat floor in the back. My dog just hangs out there and is able to lay down if he wants to.
I just took my PB on a family trip and could not be more happy. The truck is very comfortable, has the power when you need it, in addition to overall pretty impressive fuel mileage. Overall the truck does everything that we need it to do and I am very happy with it. Thanks for the great review and keep up the awesome PB content.
Thanks! I already gushed about the zone lighting last year but MAN do I love the ability to light up the block at night. Even the "welcome" lighting is super-useful. Nice of you to comment. Cheers
great, thanks for your videos. Love 'em, keep 'em comin'. I drive '23 Powerboost 150 Azure Blue Platinum + 2.5" lift (puck) in front to accommodate 34" Nitto Ridge Grapplers all around, now with 7k miles. Every option except the Heated steering wheel because of the chip shortage (and that's definitely missed).
I hope this chip shortage is just a bad memory some day. Your truck sounds gorgeous.
Great video. Another confidence vote for the Powerboost. I’m thinking about ordering a 2024 Powerboost. I had a loaded out 2012 Ecoboost for seven year, towed a small Winnebago with it, put 120,000 miles on it. Never had a problem with it, outside of expected wear items. I was careful about maintenance and only used premium synthetic oil in it. Thanks.
Thanks Vic...she's a keeper. My plan is to go for 300k on it. Good luck with your truck purchase, there is so much more inventory now than when I was doing this 18 months ago. Special ordering gives you what you want, it was worth the delay.
Let me tell you about my Powerboost… I bought a 2022 with a 7.2 kW generator in the first time I went to use it Ford doesn’t tell you that you have to have a different set up on your house to differentiate the negatives and the grounds so I had to have Electrician come out and redo my box in order for the generator to work, then when I plugged in the generator to actually use it, it blew code in the truck and I have to now take it in to Ford to have them fix whatever was wrong with it in the first place before I could even use the thing and of course they want to keep it for a week while we have no power and it’s the only thing I got that can power my refrigerator right now, so don’t waste your time and your time and money on a power boost or at least one with the generator because you’ll end up having to buy a separate gas one anyways
@@MichaelsandAssociates I disagree, the actual implementation of the generator is great, but the customer communication on how to use it is zero/zip/zilch. I did a whole video on how to make the generator system work for home backup.
I own a 2013 f150 3.5L ecoboost xlt. Currently have 185,000 miles on it. So yes I’ve had to replace BOTH my turbos - first one right before 100k miles (so this was under warranty). The 2nd turbo went out 22k miles later - cost me 5,000 to repair. Since I’m sitting at 185,000 miles going to replace the truck soon. Get another ecoboost - I’m not entirely sure, I do know my co workers who keep their trucks long term like I do ALL have replaced their twin turbos right around the 100k - 125k mark. So most reviews don’t keep their trucks this long - just real world experience I’m giving you. Did I pull with my truck - minimal maybe 3x in its lifetime. 20mpg avg with highway speed of 70 mph
Thanks EP! What kind of maintenance schedule did you keep? Not implying anything, just curious to see if there is anything we can learn from your numbers. cheers
regular 5k oil changes, used full synthetic. otherwise just regular maintenance with transmission, brakes etc. etc.. other issue i had was oil leak due from the turbo. otherwise just regular repairs, issues with a 185k mile truck (o2 sensor going out). like i said though I'm not sure if i'd get twin turbo's again since i know they will fail eventually.@@fixorrepairdiy4609
Nice video. I am in the market for a first truck and this video of yours hits the right notes with great information without overwhelming tech and spec..
Thanks Jasen! cheers
Solid review, thank you. Something to keep in mind is the payload would drop with the 2.7PB. The GVWR is a few hundred pounds lower with the 2.7 unless you add the 2.7 payload package, which puts you nearer the 3.5PB price range. Smaller engine also lowers towing number, which puts it closer to mid-size truck range. Not sure on mpg if you run the 2.7 & 3.5 PB gently for best mileage.
Another thing to note, is since 21 release of gen14, ford has been cutting back on features each model year (plus mid year job 1/2 cycle), so a 2023 truck would not be a featured as your 22. I have a '22 XLT(301) with 5.0l. A key feature drop there is auto-start/stop, which drops city mileage noticeably.
Thanks Chris. Yeah, I don't tow a lot and what I would tow/carry would easily be handled by the 2.7 (EB). Good point about feature dissolve. Seems like most of what I have on the 22 would be available on the 23, but at a premium. cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Sadly, the kind of stuff ford started cutting after job1-2021 was smaller things like in-dial temp numbers for duel zone heating/cooling, for xl(maybe xlt)-21/22. They cut the upper glove box door/latch-22/23. In 23 they cut the spare tire lock. Someone on forums mentioned interior floor/cup holder lighting in 21s but gone in 22 (not sure on this one). Also in 21s, but not 22s where air vent dampener dials for each vent. auto-start/stop in some models(my 22xlt 5.0) and for 23 center rear bed camera on some lower trim models. Bigger features was deletes for park assist and some other tech features(don't remember details). Huge hit for me was dropping HDPP for 23XLT, but I got lucky and found a 22xlt with HDPP. I'm sure I missed things too. A few of these were silently cut without notifying dealers until trucks showed up. Oh on my truck they dropped Sirius XM from the radio headunit upgrade, but I hate subscription radio so was fine. I'll stop rambling now :)
Be careful with the stop / start function. Every time the engine starts it uses the starter. When the starter goes out it’s around $1,500-$2K to have it replaced.
The stop / start function is a Government mandate.
I personally disengage it whenever I start my car. If I’m approaching a stop light which takes about 5 minutes before the light turns green, I’ll engage the system so my car will stop the engine during that long stop light. Otherwise I just allow my car to keep running.
I’m glad you’re enjoying your F150.
I LOVED both my 82 and my 96. Both of them had the 4.9L In-line (300) 6cyl. I could have bought the 5.0L (302) V8 but I needed the low end torque of the 6cyl.
I changed the oil every 3K miles (conventional oil) and when I switched to full synthetic oil I started changing the oil every 4K miles.
I put 3/4 ton suspension on the rear of those F150s as I hauled a Lot of equipment to our oil wells. I worked those pickups hard, but I didn’t abuse them.
I changed the front and rear differential, transfer case and transmission flush every 30K miles.
My 82 was a XL trim and my 96 was an XLT.
The 82 was a regular cab with an 8’ bed and the 96 was a super cab with the 8’ bed as well.
It took them awhile to get up to freeway speeds, but once I got to 70mph, they ran as smooth as silk.
I put just over 350K miles on my 82 and almost 450K miles on my 96.
I had a pwr brake booster go out on my 82.
The weak spot on the 4.9L was the water pumps. They would last for around 50K-75K miles and had to be replaced.
I bought my 82 in 83 as a high school gift to myself. I paid for 1/2 of it and my parents paid the other 1/2.
The man I bought it from wanted a F150 with a 351 V8 to tow a large boat which he had just purchased.
My dad was a mechanical engineer and told me that an In-line 6cyl would last longer than a V6 or a V8. An In-line 6cyl has 40% less moving parts than a V6.
I had an old 63 F350, In-line 6cyl, 3spd standard transmission that was absolutely worn out and I let it get too low on oil and threw a rod out of the block.
I needed another pickup when I bought my 82.
After buying my first new vehicle in 96 , my dad kept my 82 for work around our family’s farm for grunt work.
For smaller pickups we always had Ford Ranger’s.
I drove my 96 until 2019 when I bought our 2011 Ford Ranger 4WD XLT, super cab. Our Ranger had only 20K miles on it in 19.
It’s a very durable pickup (between my wife and I it’s our 4th Ranger). We just use it for work around our property and it has only 35K miles on it currently.
@@Doc1855 Those inline six 300's were really something. I drove one of these in a panel van in the early 80's for a TV repair shop, and it never quit. cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 It would be AWESOME if Ford brought them back !
The reason why Ford stopped building them was because they said that the In-line 6cyl wouldn’t pass federal emissions, which was a Lie.
BMW still makes the In-line 6cyl engines for their vehicles and now Mazda is bringing them back in the new CX-90.
Ford realized that they were bulletproof and lasted forever !
Enjoy your day !
I ordered a 22' Platinum PowerBoost "unicorn" 157" and I love it.. The truck does everything I need it to do, it's my daily and it pulls the boat and my RV just fine. I'm a little skinny on the payload as it's a loaded truck but that's the trade off. Wouldn't change a thing!
Nice, Ted! I still have a big silly grin on my face 21k miles later. I hope to be pulling a teardrop before too long. cheers
You can pull much more than a teardrop. We have a Grand Design 23LDE, and it's a 25 ft box, ~ 30ft overall.
Great review! I was actually considering purchasing an F150 w/ power boost, but your comment about the 2.7 changed my mind. I have done a lot of research and the 2.7 seems extremely reliable.
Semper Fi Steven. The 2.7L is a great option if you don't need or find value in the 7.2Kw PPO. Watch the tear-down video on the 2.7L engine by the youtube channel "I Do Cars" and you'll learn some new things. cheers
I orderd a new 2022 Powerboost. Zero negative Issues. Has not been back to the dealer. I tow a 6k Travel Trailer. I use the 7.2 all the time to power the Trailer. If you have a trailer any other choice doesn't make sense.
Great comments...Looking to get a trailer down the road myself.
I love I can run my capers ac with the truck thats the option that made me switch from ram
Question: how does towing/power get affected in cold weather? I've heard that hybrids suffer in cold weather, generally. I've never owned one and am worried that the truck will struggle if it's exposed to a lot of cold weather, has to tow a trailer in cold weather, or is stored outside in cold weather consistently. Any thoughts?
@@markovchainz8314 doesn’t use the battery when towing. Uses the 3.5 ecoboost engine just the same. Cold makes no difference
@@Hyrodeniamandibulata Nice, that's great to hear! I'm probably going to get one. Sadly, the only ones at my local dealers have the 2.4kW inverter, not the 7.2kW option. But I guess it's still decent enough.
I have almost the same truck except I have the 5.0 L motor 4wd and i live in south east Florida. Now you might ask why a 4wd however I have a 25ft center console boat and its a major plus on the slippery boat ramps. I found the 5.0 to be perfect for me and i do average 22.0 MPG.considering my driving is mostly highway when I'm not towing the boat. I do have the 302A Trailing package 331 gears with the locking rear end and of coarse the 360 camera system. I gained alot from your videos especially while i waited the 6 months to get my truck and watching your videos on tracking. Everything you have done has been spot on. Maintenance for my oil has been easy. If asked I would do it again exactly how I ordered it. Also at the time i ordered mine there were no 5.0 4wd to be had in Florida unless it was ordered. Dealers mostly had 2.7 and a rare few 3.5L motors and even less with 4wd. My suggestion if you don't want to settle is to order it, get what you want and at the time i ordered mine they gave a $1000 incentive to order it and not get one off a lot.
Thanks Richard! I agree with your comments, I would not have gotten the 6.5' bed without special order. Besides, when I was shopping for a truck there was ZERO inventory. And I would never insult someone from FL for getting 4WD; I've gotten stuck in the strangest places in 2WD. You just never know when you'll need it. Cheers and let me know what else I can create of value to you.
Same reason I have 4x4, in the Keys at low tide, my ramp is slimy... 4x4.... no issue!!! But I do have to say, I have had 5.0 and my current is 2.7. I prefer the 2.7 because 99% of the time, I'm not towing my Cobia. Great fuel economy and off the line, the 2.7 is quicker. It is also a cast block and not aluminum. As far as reliability, 220000 miles says it is quite reliable.
I did the same truck search this year with no experience in trucks and came up with a very similar decision to yourself. I didn’t need the power boost so we took the 2.7. The sweet spot seems to be in the upper level of the XLT.
I think you made the right choice. The XLT high package is really very nice, and I think your 2.7L is an excellent powerplant.
I am a 2.7 convert, mine has 220000+ miles on it and the best engine I have ever had. The 2nd generation is even better.
@@danielmoeller8457 I'm going to shoot for 300k on this engine. Nice to hear that you've done so well. The 2.7L might be the best engine Ford has made since the inline 6 300. cheers
I Have a 22 powerboost platinum with a 6.5' bed BUT ALSO with tow mirrors. The real unicorn! LOL I drove a 2017 King Ranch 250 for 5 years and really liked the truck but hated the ride , turning radius and fuel millage. So that lead to what I have now. But loved the 6 1/2' bed and tow mirrors so I made sure to ordered them with the truck. I will say that this is the best vehicle I have ever owned and it's not even close. I'm at 46K so far and I;m 55 y/o. so I've had a lot of rides over the years. You said it best when you sated " it's a Swiss Army Knife" 100% RIGHT!!
Thanks Bobby I'm coming up on three years and 34k and this might be the best vehicle purchase I've ever made over 40 years. Sure, I've owned some great Hondas but nothing so damned useful (and comfortable!) as this truck.
Excellent video as was your video on pro power. The material was comprehensive and interesting, which is an elusive combination
thank you kindly good sir! cheers
I got the 2023 same wheel base I agree its a hassle to park but I love the space
The 6.5 bed is the bomb. With that said I don't think an 8' bed with supercrew would work in town very well. 20' long with the 6.5' bed as it is! cheers
I have the exact same truck. Except for no sliding window and I opted out of the console shift. Same color and package. A little cheaper out the door. My only problem was I had to clear the transmission learning tables and drive a specific relearning test loop. My transmission shifted like crap when I got it. Re-setting the adaptive learning tables with FORSCAN and driving the mandated initial re-learn pattern for a few miles was the fix.
Interesting. Did you figure that out, or was that the dealer-prescribed fix?
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Google is my co-pilot! Found the fix on a Ford F-150 forum. BTW (if you have not already) Replace your license plate light bulbs with LEDS before the cheap halogens (2021 they used LEDS) start to burn and discolor the bulb sockets. I also added Husky rear wheel well liners to protect the inner rear wells and a PCV oil catch can. I love the Truck, reminds me of the ride and quiet of my 1994 Buick Roadmaster! Our trucks really could be twins. I was lucky the dealer honored the original quoted price (I waited 9 months for the Truck) and interest rates were 2.9% at the time (AUG 2022). You are right, had I waited the price increases would have been a deal killer.
@@wilsonle61 Absolutely, that was one of the first videos that I did on this channel. (license plate light r/r) Yes, the ride reminds me of those Lincoln Town Cars or Cadillac Fleetwood land yachts. I really still look for reasons to drive it, and the longer the trip, the better. cheers
DC Ford;
I found the video very helpful. I am going to be in the Market for a new truck next year 2024. Helpful in explaining the pros and cons as well as the ability to go and not take care of business when ordering this type of vehicle the cost. With the cost of vehicles going up yearly, it seems the longer you wait the more you will pay a ribbon, expecting the cost of the vehicle to go down as a ramp up. I hate seeing this happening because it’s getting to the point where it’s going to price me out of the market and I really don’t want to go and continue to go in downgrade what I want. I was looking at the lariat and it may be cheaper to go buy a used truck
And step down to an XLT model. Instead, this would be a huge blow for me. It’s been my heart set to get a Ford Lariat model because of the additional options within this model. Now ! I just don’t know.
and step down to a lesser model. That’s a let down and possibly a deal breaker for me.
I normally look at Ford products only because I have great luck with their products over the years.
I wanted a lariat for the interior but I found that a 302a high package gave me everything I needed. cheers
First time viewing your content, what a great job mister!
Thanks brother!
My 2021 Powerboost Lariat 2wd loaded was the same MSRP $63K. I bought it new in 2021. No issues at all since new. I just completed a 270 mile trip with the average speed at 76 mph all Interstate I averaged 25.1 MPG. Love 7.2 onboard generator. I have pulled 7000+ loads and get 11-12 mpg. I have the maxtow and it tows like a dream. On short trips I get above 25 mpg, 28 mpg.
Watch out for your rear axle bolts, Chad! The max tow likes to break them. I don't know if they have corrected that yet but you might want to mention it to your service department and see if they can swap them out. Although....Ford likes you to break things first before they replace. Glad you like your truck, I honestly look for reasons to drive it even a year later after initial purchase. Just a great vehicle.
I’m looking at a king ranch 2021 with about 25k miles on it. I almost pulled the trigger on it but needed to know more about this power boost thing that I’m not very aware of. Use to driving 6.7 Cummins in a 2500 but I want a smoother ride. Not getting any younger and want car like feel without loosing to much of my towing ability
@@carternelson410 None of us getting any younger. I can attest to smooth ride in late-model F-150, to me it feels like driving one of those old land yachts like the Fleetwood or Town Car. Smooth, tons of torque, and quiet. Just be aware the PowerBoost is not the most efficient under tow. Find the channel called "army property" who does 100% towing on his fleet of trucks and put on 50k miles towing with his 21 powerboost. You'll know a lot more about the characteristics of towing on a 21PB after listening to him. Cheers.
Been test driving a 2023 xlt powerboost, looking at trading in a 2022 tundra off road. Compared to the toyota the toyota is smoother. Gas pedal is super stiff on the xlt but i do like that you can lock the diff in 2 high. Not sure how well it will do on the beach my tundra is excellent. Was looking at one for the generator not sure if the trade off in quality and reliability is worth it. Had just driving the Ford of the lot 49 miles on the odometer and an engine light came on. Took it right back. Left in my toyota.
How do I access the bow thruster? I have a 23 and am quite happy after 3 days of ownership. Replacing a 2000 Ranger and wow, they have come a long way.
you're not kidding, it's like doing a Williamson turn in an aircraft carrier to achieve a change of direction.
Came from a Mitsubishi lancer to the powerboost in 2022. 2is years later and I have over 50k miles on it. Love it. Light towing a few times a year. All around a great truck.
One thing I'm having issues with is the cats and vapor blocking valve are intermittent with the engine light. Also I have to replace the left backdoor speaker lol
Have to say, pretty spot on. I'm not new to trucks, between Toyota, Nissan, Chevy etc, I keep going back to Fords. My dear, loved gray ghost 2016 F150 2.7 ecoboost has over 220000 miles and finally my local dealer is selling 3k under MSRP. So just did a build for my new one. I don't need the generator, I live in the Keys and having a generator already is mandatory. I also prefer the super cab (not super crew) as my pups are bostons and prefer smaller spaces. I love the suicide doors on the super cab as they make loading groceries etc easy in tight parking spaces, especially after ford made them open all the way back.
I haul my boat, +/- 5000lbs, don't need the 5L or 3.5. I absolutely love that my 2.7 takes all of about 10 min to do an oil change, like you... religiously, why after 220000 miles, it still brings a grin when I hit the gas.
So, with the 302A package, FX4 package, trailer tow and basically every option on an XLT, my build through my local dealer came in at under $60K. On top, any build was $3k off MSRP. After returning customer rebates and Ford credit 3.9%, will be paying around $600/mo for less time than my faithful gray ghost. I got carbonized gray so new one is gray ghost II. You are right, a slight load makes a hell of a difference, I have a topper and it is set up like a teardrop trailer so I have about 600lbs in the bed all the time. That and bilstein shocks (I'm hoping the FX4 package covers that without me compressing the springs and putting my life at risk) covers the minor roll and suspension issues I had.
Overall, I love the F150's I've had. Most reliable by far and a pleasure to drive. As I said, my current one has over 220000 miles and I will miss her, just can't wait for new adventures on my just ordered 2023.
A video I'm working on is how I plan to get my F150 to 300k miles. Anything besides normal oil changes led to your 220k? And I hope you got a 6.5' bed with that SCAB! cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 yes, 6.5' bed. Long enough for me to sleep and long enough for most of my fishing rods.
I have actually never done anything but normal oil changes on the engine, I use Castrol synthetic at factory recommend intervals. I have not even changed the plugs but I do drive it quite hard. The early turbo issues were attributed to people never using them (slow, 10 min drives to work, etc) the dump valves never being opened would freeze up due to condensation. This engine likes to be run hard and fortunately, I like to oblige it.
I get about 19 overall in my ‘21 2.7 just for comparisons sake, and man I agree with you both about getting the crew cab and 4wd. I got the supercab 2wd and regret it on a daily basis haha
David I had everyone in my circle telling me to go 2WD. That *one time* I got stuck it was worth it to have 4WD. I also put the truck into 4WD when I work on the truck under ramps. Your 2.7L is a great motor, enjoy what you have. cheers
Thank you for sharing this information with us. You answered questions for me that I wouldn't have thought to ask the dealer.
Outstanding....glad I could help.
Very Honest review. Not some fan boy talking it up or a real pissed off customer who has had the miss fortune of getting a lemon. I had a 2019 Ford Raptor but at 11,000 miles started to have cam phaser issues. I did not want to go threw that level of engine tear down and then hope the issue did not return. So i dumped it and picked up a 2021 Toyota Tundra 5.7. I'm Not crazy about the old school styling But I did get the 1794 TRD Off road so it rides pretty nice. I'm not a Toyota fan boy I actually love the styling of the GMC but after doing all my research I had to go with the most reliable 1/2 ton pick up on the plant. So far just a few oil changes no issues. Drove it from florida and up threw the Smoky's a few times the truck did just fine on those mountain roads 6 speed transmission was actually really nice to drive very smooth never hunted for gears. I'm pretty happy for a truck I'm not very fond of the looks. But I know I t will take care of me 300,000 miles down the road. Life is all about knowing what to give and what not to take.
During all the inventory and supply chain issues of 2021, I came very close to doing exactly what you did, going for a last-model Tundra. Then checked on getting the new gen Tundra and was completely turned off by dealer attitude and markup. Was all-in for a Tundra and expected reliability up to that point. Glad it turned out well for you. thanks....
Sir that was probably the most in-depth car review video I've seen. Thank you for taking the time to do everything you did that was great! But sad that you have to put 32k down, the cost of what a new truck use to be less 10 years ago. Just to still be in 600 a month payment range, Just crazy. But the video was great!
Thanks David! Had to keep the payment below $400 to keep happy wife. 🙂Yes, it stinks that something like this costs so much but damn if it hasn't brought a ton of value and utility to me. Hope it lasts forever. Cheers
Good review. Hit the right hi-lites and points of interest for me. Think I'll wait for the '24 models to actually rollout to the local dealerships, though.
Have the regular 3.5, non power boost. Taking the skid plate off allows easier access to oil filter, but we shouldn’t have to go through that just to change oil. I run Shaeffer’s full synthetic and change when 5% life left and let dealership do it. That’s around 10,000 miles, and I could go longer without worry with shaeffers if I wanted . Paying the dealership once a year, is better then making a mess on the floor, or wrestling skid plate off. You say people think you’re crazy buying without driving first? That’s ridiculous. The largest Dodge ram dealer in the country sells 90% of their trucks site, unseen.. I’ve did it twice there and had another custom truck ordered and built with a sleeper (Ram 4500) sight unseen. Absolutely no regrets.
Thanks for posting your very thorough review. One thing I would add about mpg figures on the Powerboost is that they are a bit misleading, in that they are based on distance only. For example, when you stop at a red light, stop sign, or sit in traffic and you are only using battery none of this gets factored into your mpg figure since you aren't moving any distance. But, at the same time, you are not using any gas - as would be the case with the 2.7 or any non-hybrid engine. So, there is a definite saving when running on battery while idling that doesn't get factored into the mpg.
Hi David - I do not think that the numbers are misleading. After all, all you care about is the number of miles that you were able to traverse on one gallon of gas. The EV portion of the hybrid does a great job converting what is normally lost energy via braking...into stored energy. Normal ICE-only vehicles just shed that lost energy as heat. In addition, many ICE-powered vehicles use start/stop technology to arrest the engine during stops...is that misleading? The fact that the EV portion of the hybrid does a more efficient job of employing "waste" power is progress, it's not misleading. The marginal energy that you're adding is still the gas in the tank, yes? Power expended in the electric motor is essentially (but not totally) free. I understand the point that you're trying to make but I'm saying that it's OK to compare apples and oranges when the marginal cost is the same - the cost per gallon in fuel. Cheers.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Thanks very much for your reply. I understand your thoughts. I guess I am looking at this purely as an out-of-pocket cost for gas purchase analysis. An (exaggerated) example would be 2 trucks idling in traffic for 12 hours straight - one a Powerboost, the other a regular 3.5 engine (all other things on the trucks being equal). Over the course of those 12 hours the Powerboost, by means of switching over to battery every so often, will have used less gasoline over that time span than the regular 3.5, thereby giving a savings to the wallet. In miniature, this happens every time a PB stops at a red light, stop sign, traffic, etc.
Also, I wanted to thank you for posting the video about replacing the fuel door pin. I just took care of mine. It works fine and it's good to know that a broken plastic pin will no longer be a potential issue. Please keep up the good work!
Very impressive video! Very helpful. Looking forward to investing in a truck. But probably will assist wife in getting a sports utility and wait on my dream vehicle (truck)
Good luck with both projects, Craig! Cheers...
I have almost the same build as you on my 2022 power boost. Love it but it is quirky. Nothing major but it’s like driving a computer. Sometimes you have to turn it off and restart like rebooting a computer. Mostly CarPlay not connecting. Mileage is good in the summer, 22-23 mpg. In a cold Minnesota winter with the high ethanol winter fuel it drops to 16-17 mpg though. In summer it runs electric around 20% of the time, winter it drops to around 10%. I’ve never had a vehicle that had such a huge swing in mpg winter vs summer. I drive it easy most of the time but once in a while I’ll kick it down to have some fun 😁
Great review on the 2022 power boost!
Andy I have very similar experiences with performance variance summer/winter. There is some drop-off in performance of winter blend fuel, but I think most of what we're seeing is a cold HV battery that takes a while to warm up and put out the amps. Yeah, nothing like exercising the waste gates and letting the turbos do their thing on highway onramps! cheers
What about towing in the cold? I'm not really worried about losing mpg, but how is the towing capacity affected?
I ordered a 2023 Atlas Blue Lariat 3.5 ecoboost w/a short box, 360 camera, max tow/payload package, and tow mirrors, I opted out of the powerboost as it bought the tow rating down more than I was comfortable with. I saw today on the tracking app that my dealer got it Monday the 7th so should get a call soon to pick it up....can't wait
lol I think I was camped out the next day waiting for them to turn it over to me. Surprising how much prep work they have to do to release the truck. Congrats and I hope you love it!
Thanks for the video, made me realise that the PowerBoost truck I'm looking at doesn't have the ProPower onboard, I thought this came standard. I would also miss the 360˚ cameras which I really enjoy in our 2022 F150.
Video show 8:26, Your I phone show many gauges, What is app? Let me know Thanks
I just edited the info on the video to include this.
The monitor next to my Sync4 screen at 8:30 in the video is an app called OBDLink which interfaces with the OBDLink MX + Bluetooth Scanner. This is the very best OBD2 dongle for the F-150 as it includes a whole package of Ford-specific PIDs for monitoring your truck.
The OBDLink MX_+ is available on Amazon at this link: amzn.to/3pHMkPB
Great vid! You hit everything I wanted to know on powerboost 3.5L. With all the options I would order.
Thanks Alfredo! Even after two years I really don't want anything else. Some items would be "nice to have" on the Lariat like 4A, leather, driver screen, etc but honestly of very little utility to me where I live. cheers.
Thanks I’m buying a f150 Friday. I took off and found the one. Yay🎉
Stumbled on your video 12 hours before picking up my unicorn. It’s a new 23’ specked the same as yours minus moonroof and with tow mirrors. Surprising found sitting on a lot. Msrp is 66,190…the dealer dropped the price by 13,500 due to it being in their fleet program it only has 200 miles. Also 2.9% right now. I think it’s a good deal and can’t wait to power my of grid hunting cabin with it.
Nice find, Jeff. You don't find many 6.5' PowerBoost beds out running in the wild. Sounds like you got a great deal as well. Hope you love it. Cheers..
This is a very good and realistic video, with excellent advice (which many people who just "have to have" the new $66,000 truck (good luck with getting it for that) will ignore. And then regret. One piece of advice to be a bit wary about is asking the dealer sales person to help you decide which truck you need. That's like asking the devil which fire pit to jump into. The devil will always say jump into the hottest one.
Better sales people today are more consulation-driven and will ask all the questions to help you solve a problem, instead of ramming their solution down your throat like the old days. Of course, there are still the old dinosaurs out there.
Thank you for making such a detailed video for us!
I have a 2022 hybrid 6.5 bed very much the same but I was going basic XL for price didn't get 7.2kw although the resale might be better later. Now Ford to fill my order last summer took a XLT and stripped out to make it. So dash XL, front lights XL LED rear. Vin XLT to insurance XLT dash small upper glove door. Didn't get 360 camera but should have. The bench 3 seat didn't have the arm rest clove box it was suppose to. Got tow package. I find the same as you, oil filter a pain, have a quick oil drain plug, CAT plate underside. There is no transmission dipstick but put aftermarket cable one on. Don't like the shifting and hybrid to gas change it can bog down on dead stop start to jump into traffic. As it rarely hit second goes 1 to 3. Love the 20-24 mpg. 28 plus on local below 60. I would do it again as my first choice was '22 Tundra has more problems that a friend got. I ordered April '22 got it August, didn't pay MSRP but 4k less than, plus extras like bed sprayed rear end sprayed too by line X. Thanks for the info.
If you're sitting in park with the truck on, and the aircon running, would the engine spend most of its time off, only occasionally starting up for a few minutes every so often to charge the battery? I'm wondering about the possibility of pulling over to take a good nap in a nice cool cabin (or warm, as the weather may require), and not have the engine run at idle for entire time-not to mention a potential CO issue. Thanks so much for your many informative videos.
Hi DR...yes, everything is run electrically from the powerboost system. So in this case, the AC is run electrically and the engine will come on every so often to recharge the HV battery. I know this as I was waiting for the better half outside the grocery store last night without turning off the truck. Spent 95% of the time with engine off, occasionally would start up and run for 30-45 secs. cheers
I have a '21 Powerboost w/ 6.5 ft bed in Lariat trim that I ordered in May '21 and picked up in October '21. For those times, I got a decent deal by paying $1,000 over invoice, which was still about $3,000 below MSRP. Most dealers were charging at least MSRP, if not $1,000 or more over. Just rolled over 40,000 miles and the only mechanical problem I've had were misfires at the first of July '22. Bad ignition coil replaced in about an hour at the dealer. My only other complaints have been a slightly disappointing MPG and dust. I usually run about 20.5 MPG, but most of my driving is on highways at >60 MPH. Still much better than my 2005 F-150 which was only getting about 14 MPG. I also live on very dusty gravel roads and can't keep the interior clean. I don't think the weatherstripping is done well, as i can see areas where dust makes it through. Dirt also builds up on the inside of the door between the weatherstipping and the door edge, particularly at the bottom. A huge cloud of dust billows into the cab every time a door is opened. The dark interior makes it look terrible.
Interesting challenge. Wonder if you can create a positive pressure environment such that the dirt blows AWAY when you open the door? cheers Jason
Great review ! I own a 2016 F150 with the 5.0 V8 and soo far it's been fairly reliable with noo issues so far . Idk what I would replace it with when the time comes , maybe I might get a Toyota 4Runner .
Good info. I own a 2021 STX and love it. Thanks
My '22 Powerboost Lariat 502A is 1 year old and has 20,000 miles. It has averaged 20.5 mpg over those miles. I made the mistake of going with the Max Tow option so I'm just waiting for my rear axles to break. So far I've had the rear pinion seal replaced and the door keyless entry keypad replaced twice. I have to say my transmission has been flawless which is really appreciated after the nightmare of my 2019 502A Lariat transmission; I do not experience the downhill shift issue you mentioned.
Thanks Ross...yeah I'm really happy with the tranny now after patiently waiting for it to "learn" my driving. I think a software update done in the middle of the night corrected it. I have not ever once used my keypad entry...now where is that code?
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 I don't use the keypad often, but I didn't like it flopping against my door driving down the highway. On the second replacement, dealer said Ford reverted back to the metal retaining clip they used to use rather than the plastic clip they implemented in 2021 model.
Can you expand on the max tow option and rear axles breaking? I don't understand that at all and looking at these trucks.
@@joelbabin4365 Hi Joel, the axles themselves are not breaking, but rather the Rear Axle Half Retaining Bolt. Known problem for 9.75" HD axles. See Customer Satisfaction Program 22B34. I'm not sure if this was just a bad batch of bolts installed in 2022 or if they're still seeing them now.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Very interesting. Thanks for the quick response. I'm going to look into this a bit more. With the hybrid set up, having the max tow doesn't seem as critical vs non-hybrid.
It would be interesting if you did a vid on truck vs van. I have a Honda Ridgeline with a shell and I'm considering going to a van for more volume. The Honda has a 5' 4" bed and my old first gen Tundra had the 6.5' bed. It doesn't sound like a lot, but that extra foot makes a difference when hauling longer items.
Your vids make a compelling argument to go back to a truck, specifically the truck you have.
I used an 07 Odyssey for the longest time to transport materials for projects and while you can park an amazing amount of stuff in those vans, the hassle is in removing the seats which are/were not light. I guess it's the compromise that you have when you try to get one vehicle to do everything. I carry fewer passengers now vs. when the kids were young and had friends, so the truck with a decent bed length is a no-brainer for us now.
Good review especially on fuel usage and insurance calculating
I own the 2021 version everything except no sunroof or sliding rear window i paid 54k used i did trade for a nice Diesel when prices for fuel were going crazy. The Ford has been great. Way more features than i'll ever use. I have 5 1/2' bed wish i had 6.5' bed. But no complaints. On highway im at 21.1-6. On electric its like a tesla.
Looks nice. My neighbor has the same truck. His intention was to utilize it a home power backup. We did in fact have a multi-day outage this past winter. Couple things of note: He had some kind of (software?) problem where it kept kicking off during the outage. He resolved that with Ford, I believe. Also, the daytime running lights remain on, which looked kind of silly in his driveway all night with the neighborhood power out. Additionally, I saw that he had to go get more fuel in gas cans with his other car to refill the truck to keep it running the house. Looked like a big hassle over all. I'll stick with my quiet, efficient portable generator.
It can be kind of tricky to use as a home backup due to the bonded nature of the generator and the need for the panel that you're attaching to...to be isolated between ground and neutral, like a subpanel. No one is buying a $60K truck to primarily use as a home backup, but man is it convenient if you are camping or boondocking or just need tool power on a jobsite. Thanks for your comment! cheers
I have a non power boost 3.5tt.
Last wknd on my way home from a trip that was 300kms, about 180 miles.
I averaged 10.7L / 100k
Just over 26 mpg
Driving pretty much the whole way home at 120km/hr.
Pretty happy with it
Thank you for the comprehensive presentation. You addressed so many points that are critical in making a sound purchasing decision. I have been a Ford person and in the mid 70s went with the Toyota Tacoma. Since there has been 6 trucks. My recent being a 2017 double cab 4x4. The quality is significantly different than past trucks. I’m not empresses with the build and the dealership service is horrible. Back in 2012 I special ordered a 2013 Ford Expedition EL with the 5.4 V8. It has 140,000 miles and gets 14mph consistently. We use it to haul our travel trailer. It’s my wife’s daily driver and she loves it. Frustration with my Tacoma is at my wits end. I was looking at a new Toyota, however my research clearly shows there are much better options. Several friends drive both the 2.7 and the 3.5 F150s with four wheel drive. I would prefer the 5.0 in a crew cab 4x4. Looking at a used 2020-2023. Any thoughts would be appreciated. By the way I am 77yrs old and a 100% combat disabled Marine Infantryman Vietnam. Appreciate you post!
Thanks Robert and you Marines had a rough tour in the Nam. Don't forget that lots of things changed from 2020 to 2021, mostly for the better. Should be lots of 5.0 gen14 crew cabs available these days. Good luck whatever you decide sir. cheers
Great advice! Had a 2015 2.7 4x4. Had 0 issues with truck at 111000. Sad news was lost truck in Jan 2024 due to a person pulling out in front of me causing me to t bone them. Everyone ok! Truck wasn’t due to Brent frame and rear axle that hit curb from spinning around. Insurance totaled truck. Guess what I had to do! Yes buy a new truck! So beware and take this man’s advice. Great job on letting us know!👍
Great 👍🏽 video. I recently bought the 2023 Ford F-150 XLT 3.5L (New).
Thanks! Hope you love yours as much as I do mine.
I need tow capacity and power on board for a trailer…love this truck!
I feel really lucky. Went to the dealer lolking at f350. Walked out with a 23' with the exact options you have excpet i have max trailer ans doesnt have the B and O stereo. Only 500 miles in but i love it. Disnt know i could get a f150 that basically replaced my 2011 F350 with the 6.2 ans i get double the milage!! Very happy :) Great video!!!
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Noah! Still very happy with mine about two years and 22k in. Why the hell did I wait so long to get one of these big swiss army knives that can do everything?! cheers
I really love the Powerboost but unfortunately new trucks were (are) so expensive that I went with a used, late model 13th gen instead.
Btw I live in snow climate and 4A is not a must in my opinion. However, I would highly recommend having 4x4 for the same reasons you stated.
People that have it and live in the snow seem to love it. I wish I had something like that growing up in the snow belt. We just spun and hoped for traction. cheers
Excellent video, Im in the process of turning in or buying my leased 2021 hi end ford truck, Your video hit on most all of my questions. It is late in the 2023 model year so it looks like Im going to have to find or order a 2024. Thanks
Thanks. Every time I drive by a Ford lot there are a lot of 23 models still there. Best of luck finding something that works for you.
So what do you think about the Honda Ridgeline ? midsize truck, about $20 grand cheaper, good engine etc .. For one that doesn't do alot of towing or off roading etc .. doesn't the Ridgeline make alot of sense for most truck buyers ??
Hi Jimmy, I've been buying Honda products for 40 years, and they have treated me well. With that said, the Ridgeline doesn't have the bed size, load capacity, and towing capacity that I was looking for. Honda builds a truck based on an SUV chassis for people that aren't sure that they need/want a full-sized truck. That's just my opinion; I'd point you to any number of excellent segment reviews on how the Ridgeline stacks up in the mid-size category, that's not my intent with this video. cheers
I have a 2021 Powerboost XLT 4x4.. Had no idea about this Idea.. The HYBRID. And at 16.000 miles, it suprized me for the gas mileage it gets.. High 25,26 miles per gallon and higher in the city, perfect for all the things I do, 24 mph pulling my trailer with my rider on it!
Loved the video Sir.
Well spoken and well done
Thanks for the thoughtful collation of info - really appreciate the effort. I have a 2020 Lariat 3.5 Ecoboost model, and I am looking for an update. There seems to be a fair amount of inventory, so perhaps I'll find a deal on the Powerboost. I would really like the onboard power, and slightly better fuel economy.
At least worth a test drive to see if you like the Gen 14. I don't think that I've ever found a vehicle that checked more boxes. cheers...
Thank you for a comprehensive and very balanced review. I have narrowed it down between a new Tundra and a 2.7L F150. I am leaning towards the Ford as they have better deals now.
Thanks...I was all-in for the new Tundra until the dealers started playing games with "market adjustments." Decided to go for the Ford and have not looked back. cheers...
If you worry about the 2.7, at least from my prospective, dont... if you are not towing huge loads, it is more than enough and as far as reliability goes, I have over 220000 miles on mine and never a problem, love it so much I just ordered a new one with a 2.7.
@@danielmoeller8457 Thanks for sharing.
@@danielmoeller8457what kinds of loads have you towed with your 2.7? Have you driven it at higher altitudes at all? I'm thinking about driving this in Colorado, so I'm wondering how that goes.
@markovchainz8314 have been as high as Mt Evans, not towing a load but packed to the gills. My boat is about 6k lbs and it does great at sea level, I don't tow it to the mountains. I did just purchase a new one with the 2nd gen 2.7, and while I loved the 2016, this one is much improved so far. Smoother idle with A/C on, good 3 to 4 gpm better with a 3.73 locking rear end and 10 speed. Old one had 3.55
Very nice review. Love the honest and simple approach in critiquing your truck. Other so-called RUclips reviewers can take a lesson from you.
Btw me personally would go with the 5.0 litre V8 compared to the turbo models. There are several surveys out there asking Ford mechanics what they personally would get. A majority say the V-8.
Again nicely done!
Yeah I've seen those videos by the Alabama dealer where the sales guy interviews the mechanics. PowerBoost 3.5L was a no-brainer for me based on the capabilities. Would wager that most of those mechanics have little training on the hybrid thus recommending stuff that they prefer to work on vs. the capabilities that the hybrid powertrain adds. No doubt I wouldn't mind a V8 rumble though! cheers
I agree with getting the 2.7 over the PowerBoast, however I'm not sure it is offered with the Lariat trim.
Just bought 24 F-150 King Ranch with the powerboost and love it. Actually bought out of state for 11K off truck. Now they come with 7.2 kw when get power boost. Do you put 87 octane or 91? The manual says 87 ok but full engine performance says 91; that's a good difference in price at pump. Great job with video!!
Hi David, I just use 87 but if I were towing anything I'd probably go with 89 or 91.
Great video, thank you for a very detailed review video. I'm driving a 2009 F150 Supercrew FX4 6'5" bed, right now my average is 14.5 mpg, with a Gas price (California Costco) of $5.40 it does kinda hurt my pocket. Now I'm in the market for a new truck (don't guess it wrong my 2009 is 320k miles and still running strong) this power boost seems very promising and pretty fits in with my needs.
My goal is to get this truck over 300K! Nice work Jay. cheers
I’m watching your review with interest. Thanks for sharing real world feedback. I have a 2015 F150 Lariat FX4 Super Cab with the 6.5 foot bed. All custom ordered like I do all my vehicles. It was a leap of faith for me: first year for the 2.7. First year for the aluminum body. And yep: I had never driven a 2015 F150. But the F150 is the Ford franchise. They aren’t going to screw it up. 152,000 miles later; the truck has only asked for regular maintenance. It sees a lot of road trip use, where the 36 gallon tank can knock down 720-800 miles with ease. Like you I do my own oil changes: Mobil 1 EP every 5000 miles. It’s cheap insurance. Finally, the 2.7 proved itself so well that 6 months after ordering, I just took delivery of a 2023 Bronco Outer Banks Lux Package two door. The 2.7 was a no brainer especially with the gen2 getting port plus DI. Oh yeah: Another vehicle that I bought without driving first. Verdict: I freaking love it! Like driving a Hot Wheels car in real life.
Color me jealous. I'd like to trade in my wife's Kia and get her a Bronco, 2.7 of course. thanks for the comments.
Just to make you feel even better, I have a 21 Tundra. Last year, my wife drove the truck 18,215 miles. The total cost was $7,182.85 or 0.39 dollars per mile. Insurance for 12 months was $1,330.95. Here gas price in WA is quite elevated. The average cost per gallon last year was $4.28/gallon. Our registration cost is way lower though. I paid like 115insh dollars, plus minus $2 or $3.
Your Tundra has the last-gen V8, correct? That would make sense that the operating costs are a little higher. That's a great truck, however, and I was SOOO tempted to grab one instead of waiting. cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Yes, it is the last model year with the V8 and I love this truck. My wife likes the F150 but this one was with leather and cheaper than the Lariat she chose back then.
For us the higher operating costs is not an issue since we have only one vehicle. Plus, my wife is the only driver (I do not drive due to my eye issues). She has a lead foot so even if we had bought the F150, the gas mileage would have been not that different with her style of driving.
@@GoodSamLegend I know the feeling, my wife treats the accelerator as a binary on-off switch. cheers
Nice video-had a 2015 3.5 & currently 2019 V8. Love them both. Both Lariat crew cabs with 6.5 boxes & NO SUNROOFS by choice. If anyone truck hunting knows what they want tell the dealer to hunt for it in their system & eventually they will find one at another dealer. Worked for us.
Mine overheated the other day while towing. Engine light on twice within a year. They say it’s just a sensor. Not a fan right now
I haven't done any towing, but...if I'm heading uphill with a load, I'll start to lock out the top gears to keep the revs a little higher and the boost a little lower. Also make sure you don't have the dreaded heat exchanger leak...is your coolant reservoir to the right level? cheers
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 all levels were find. the engine temp on the gauge also didnt go up, which points to a sensor problem. regardless it doesn't make me feel good. First error came up during the winter a month after purchase. they said it was a sensor then with no explanation. the overheating happened 1 hour into the trip, with a 5 hour trip the week prior having no problems. the constant errors without concrete problems is where my frustration is coming from. gonna have to take it in again to hear some bs excuse.
@@PaperCut2UGaming I agree that the level of sophistication and technology with these vehicles is beyond the average tech's ability to diagnose. I'm sure I'll have my turn in the barrel. cheers
@@PaperCut2UGaming Seems as though the technology in the trucks has risen above the ability of the average tech to diagnose it. I've had no issues but my time in the barrel will come soon enough. Hang in there....
Lots of good info here, at this time 2024, I think the durability of 2.7 and 3.5 is about the same. The latest 3.5 has resolved cam phaser problems and 10R80 transmission has some upgrades. The 3.5 without the hybrid is still amazingly powerful. If you don’t really offroad, ford offers (or used to) a lowering kit to return vehicle to the 2wd ride height improving cornering and handling.
Hi Bruce, lots of other folks have added a rear sway bar and they swear it feels like a completely different truck. At about $600, I'll add it if I get bored. 🙂
Absolutely love the video subscribing rn please do A 100,000 mile review
Thanks....only at 26k now after two years. Might take a few more years...cheers
Great video man. Couldn't be any clearer. I think the PB is the way to go. I went with a 22 Tundra because, for the price, it came with a boatload more features. Unfortunately the MPG is horrendous in comparison. Hope you keep enjoying your truck!
I was all-in on getting a new Tundra back in late 21 until I found that the dealer could not be less interested in selling me a truck. $5k "market adjustment" as well while Ford was selling flat MSRP. I'm sure that things have changed since then, the Tundra is a gorgeous truck. Cheers Kristofer
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 Yeah there was a lot of that going around. Thankfully I was able to pay MSRP. I came from a 21 F150 STX, so I can share my thoughts on the differences, if you are interested.
1) Limited Tundra has a lot more features standard for 55k than you get with an XLT even with the 302a package. Sliding rear window, vented seats, adaptive cruise control, 360-degree cameras, straight backup assist for trailers, rear view camera.
2) The main differences:
a. Better on the Tundra: Smoother ride because of the coil springs, a lot more features for the money, infotainment/ 14” screen is flawless, much smoother transmission and power delivery, towing feels more confident - likely because of the additional weight (1000lbs heavier!), love the button in the taillight to drop the tailgate, tiedown system is awesome.
b. Negatives: The seats are rock hard! MPG is considerably worse than the equivalent 3.5L EcoBoost, definitely smaller inside, narrower sight lines, turning radius is poor, and a lower payload. And boviously, no Pro Power On Board! I solved this by going to 100% battery powered tools.
All in all I like it better than the F150 STX simply from a value and feature standpoint. I gained a lot of features for about 10k. If I spent the money on similarly equipped Ford I have no doubt it would be better, but would have cost about 10k more.
I do miss how the EcoBoost put you back in the seat though! It was an animal. Hopefully you found this interesting. 🤣
@@kristoferbrown8007 I think the only feature that you mentioned that my XLT does not have is vented seats. I do have a sliding rear window but it's not the awesome full window of the Tundra. Both sound like excellent trucks and I'll be interested to see if the Tundra offers the same long-term reliability as previous models. thanks...
@@fixorrepairdiy4609Boy, I'm looking at a PowerBoost right now but the reliability concerns pop up everywhere! The last thing I want to do is trade reliability for bells and whistles. Man, your video has me torn. 🤣
@@kristoferbrown8007 What, the "Consumer Reports" article? Pbbbbt. With a more complex platform you're going to invite more things to get sideways. Like everything, it's a tradeoff. Don't need all the economy and features of the PowerBoost? The 2.7L is a great choice as long as you're not towing a house. I see a huge endorsement ratio on reddit and the forums from current owners. Want even more reliability? Ditch the turbskis and go with the 5.0L NA engine. Check the reddit subs, there are tons of very happy powerboost owners, though. cheers
Great analysis. Very thorough as well.
Any fear of the Battery failing at some point and having to replace it? That’s the only thing that deterred me away when looking at one. It actually has more hp and tq than both the 3.5 and 2.7 Ecoboost. That’s why I was interested in it
You have to understand how small this battery actually is and the replacement cost is not going to be like those nightmare Leaf or Volt cases...probably a lot less than $1000 if it ever dies. Ford's software really babies this battery so it should hold its value for a long time.
@@fixorrepairdiy4609 I looked it up. Replacement cost of that ford hybrid battery is between 2k and 8k depending on which one u have.
I had the 7.2kw Lariat with just about every option. Had the blue cruise after a a yr and several recalls along the way. 36k miles when I sold it and would not purchase again. I hated the rough shifting, the ride was great but shifting, sometimes it felt like something was going to drop out. The generator saw use 2x while camping, my towing experience wasn’t that great. I had a 2,700lb trailer and averaged about 11-13 mpg. I loved the stereo and blue cruise was fun and worked well. The local dealer service experience was the deciding factor in my selling, and refusal to buy another Ford. As I said in the 2 yrs I owned it there were at least 5 recalls, a major one required the windshield to be removed and they put the same windshield back in with the flaws they introduced. I had glass separating in 2 places that they refused to replace. They ground and painted the Pilar’s with no coverage on the dash or interior so dust and over spray was everywhere. Anyway as I said service sucked.
I think it's very difficult to find decent, effective service these days. I have been lucky with mine thus far. cheers
Good, comprehensive video. As a 4 time F150 owner I’ll share my perspective. My first was a 2011 base XLT 5.0 145” wheelbase. 2nd was a brand new 2014 XLT 3.5 EB 157” wheelbase. 3rd was a 2013 FX4 3.5 EB 157” wheelbase. My latest is a new 2023 Lariat 5.0 145” wheelbase. All Supercrews. My takeaways: although I loved the low end power and ease of towing with the 3.5 Ecoboost, I always regretted not going with the 5.0. It just feels right in my opinion and I REALLY missed that rumble … especially over 3k rpm. And ironically, both 5.0s got better gas mileage than either of the 3.5s. Once those turbos are spinning, they use a lot more fuel than people think. You get either Eco or boost, but not both. Regarding the 6.5 157” wheelbase, after owning 2, I wanted a 3rd. As you mentioned, they are very hard to find these days. Once I went back to the 5.5 145” wheelbase on the Lariat Sport, I noticed how nimble the truck felt. Plus slightly easier to park (I back into spots regardless of WB length). So no regrets there.
In the end, I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the trims (particularly XLT and Lariat) or any of the engine options. I put nearly 300k total on my 3 trucks (only 2k so far on the ‘23), and except for having to replace one turbo at 75k, some minor cam phaser rattle, they were all problem free. None ever left me stranded. Ford makes a great truck!
I am currently driving a 2011 F150 3.5L v6 ecoboost Lariat 4WD. Any advice for me?