I really enjoy your dad's involvement in your career. It looks like you two are capturing some great memories. I hope one day, that you and your son make videos like these about laser lever rifles.
IF you actually want that kind of penetration, you want Hard Cast lead bullets in the cartridges. They are designed for deep penetration, and NOT expansion, like everything you used did. Do that in that 45-70 and trust me, it will penetrate both doors.
Whenever Im out on the back 40 walking around in heavy timber, I get a warm, cozy feeling every time Im standing behind a 45-70 lever gun. Elmer Keith has been a strong influence on me.
Keith was instrumental in the development of the first magnum revolver cartridge, the .357 Magnum, as well as the later .44 Magnum and .41 Magnum cartridges
Would like to see 180 hard cast wide flat nose in .357 on the car door test. How about a tarp on the ground around your test area? Clean up time and effort would be cut by two thirds.
Great video comparing the different calibers. I decided to go with the Henry X model .44 Mag for my needs. 45-70 is in my future also, thanks for sharing!
Side intrusion beams in that door below the outside handle is going to provide far more resistance than the bottom 1/3 of the door with the window raised
You guys have had sucha gooood time father and son. You are luck at this point of life to be working together. I had the luck to work with my father until he was 81 years old and i thanks god for those moments.
Should have used a hard cast 405 grain bullet to see the results between the Levereveloution and a standard 45-70 round. I shoot up to 500 grains on my 45-70 rounds with 65 grains of Swiss 2F BP. But good shooting and a great demonstration.
I got the lever action bug and came across your videos. Appreciate the work you did with these series. Unfortunately I live in IL so now I have to look at other options so lever actions are it. Thanks brother.
I've had the Marlin 1895 for years, always fun to shoot and it is one of my home defense firearms. I'm satisfied and sleep well knowing I've got a capable round.
The rubber baby buggy bumper bullets do really well in the 30-30, but are just kind of meh in the hand gun cartridges. I was kind disappointed in the 45-70's when I tried them myself. The xtp, or the 158 grain jacketed soft point for the 357 I think works best.
One of my favorite quotes comes from an old cop about switching from .38sp to .357mag for their service revolvers - "A .38 can stop a man. A .357 can stop a man through a car door."
Has many other here have commented already, interesting video and very well filmed and presented, thank you. I, however, agree with most comments : too much was expected from the rounds fired. Jacketed rounds are not designed for penetration. It would be most interesting to see this done again, but this time using BLACK HILLS Honey Badger ammo in the various calibers used. I'm reasonably sure that the .44 Remington Magnum and the .45-70 Government will pass through both doors. Again hanks for your entertaining and informative video.
That .44 hitting on the ridge is a structurally stronger piece of steel with the bend in it, I'd be willing to bet it would have penetrated anywhere else.
1. They don't make doors like they used to. 2. What if someone have Underwood or Lehigh XP or XD rounds. But other than that great demonstration video. 👍
I'd be curious to see how a hard cast lead bullet would do on that. One article I read recently about the .45-70 black powder loads was that you could "eat right up to the hole", i.e. minimal meat destruction.
Excellent and fun video. I wonder what the last 45-70 would have done had there been a seat. I would be awesome to see this done with the 4 common rounds that might be used in an urban scenario. 9mm Gold Dot, 12 gauge slug, 5.56 FMJ, and a .308. Not sure if law enforcement would use hollow points on those last two rounds.
I mention it in the other episodes some and in the Series Recap, episode 8. Too much penetration with this particular round to use in a house. Check out The Gel test, The Wall test, and the Series Recap. Thanks for watching!
@@sharpeye6760It just basically depends on whatever I got my hands on my daily EDC gun is a Sig P320 X Compact but actually I prefer not to use a lever action rifle for self defense but I think these videos is saying if you were put in a situation that you had to use a lever action rifle for self defense which would choose....For me it would be my Marlin 30-30 336w because it's what I have the most experience with my 45-70 has a lot of recoil and throws me off target more
A full power 158 grain or 180 grain 357 mag XTP probably would've gotten through that block. If not, a Buffalo Bore Hardcast 180 grain definitely would've.
Very true. But that was kind of the point with these. For a home defense situation, you would most likely be loaded for meat and not necessarily hard barriers.
Wait, so bullet weight and muzzle velocity matter? And passing thru barriers, bullet weight might outweigh velocity? Someone needs to travel back 300 years ago and advise the flintlock rifle crowd. "Hey Future Revolutionary Militia, Big News from the Future!" ;-)
Using plastic tip expanding soft tissue hunting bullets don't cut it!. Most guys know this and better, Why in the heck would you even try or waste the time and ammo?
The series was partially sponsored by Hornady, so I had to use the supplied ammo for the shoot. Future shoots will use appropriate ammo for the given situation. Trust me, I knew it wasn't going to do much, haha.
I really enjoy your dad's involvement in your career. It looks like you two are capturing some great memories. I hope one day, that you and your son make videos like these about laser lever rifles.
It's pretty awesome. And yeah...lol that would be cool for sure.
Solid lead or solid bullets in general would probably have gone through both doors with the .30-30 and the .45-70
IF you actually want that kind of penetration, you want Hard Cast lead bullets in the cartridges. They are designed for deep penetration, and NOT expansion, like everything you used did. Do that in that 45-70 and trust me, it will penetrate both doors.
Whenever Im out on the back 40 walking around in heavy timber, I get a warm, cozy feeling every time Im standing behind a 45-70 lever gun.
Elmer Keith has been a strong influence on me.
It’s definitely a beast.
Keith was instrumental in the development of the first magnum revolver cartridge, the .357 Magnum, as well as the later .44 Magnum and .41 Magnum cartridges
Would like to see 180 hard cast wide flat nose in .357 on the car door test. How about a tarp on the ground around your test area? Clean up time and effort would be cut by two thirds.
Yeah we meant to do a tarp, but forgot it lol. We’ll definitely be doing more testing 👍 Thanks for watching!
Great video comparing the different calibers. I decided to go with the Henry X model .44 Mag for my needs. 45-70 is in my future also, thanks for sharing!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Awesome! You'll love them both.
Side intrusion beams in that door below the outside handle is going to provide far more resistance than the bottom 1/3 of the door with the window raised
Really enjoyed that. Glad you kept testing. expensive......but fun
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I'll take door # 2 Brian. :-)))) Another great demonstration with surprising results.
Lol. I was definitely surprised as well.
You guys have had sucha gooood time father and son. You are luck at this point of life to be working together. I had the luck to work with my father until he was 81 years old and i thanks god for those moments.
Should have used a hard cast 405 grain bullet to see the results between the Levereveloution and a standard 45-70 round. I shoot up to 500 grains on my 45-70 rounds with 65 grains of Swiss 2F BP. But good shooting and a great demonstration.
There will definitely be more testing! Thanks!
Loving this series!
Thank you!!
Suggest using all-copper or hard-cast bullet types for better penetration. Those expanding loads aren't going to work as well with hard barriers.
Seems like the .357 hit the metal door lever mechanism which may have deflected or splattered the bullet.
It’s very possible
I got the lever action bug and came across your videos. Appreciate the work you did with these series. Unfortunately I live in IL so now I have to look at other options so lever actions are it. Thanks brother.
I've had the Marlin 1895 for years, always fun to shoot and it is one of my home defense firearms. I'm satisfied and sleep well knowing I've got a capable round.
awesome commoner approach told my MAG o watch these
The rubber baby buggy bumper bullets do really well in the 30-30, but are just kind of meh in the hand gun cartridges. I was kind disappointed in the 45-70's when I tried them myself. The xtp, or the 158 grain jacketed soft point for the 357 I think works best.
Awesome vid!!¡
Thank you!!
One of my favorite quotes comes from an old cop about switching from .38sp to .357mag for their service revolvers - "A .38 can stop a man. A .357 can stop a man through a car door."
Has many other here have commented already, interesting video and very well filmed and presented, thank you.
I, however, agree with most comments : too much was expected from the rounds fired. Jacketed rounds are not designed for penetration.
It would be most interesting to see this done again, but this time using BLACK HILLS Honey Badger ammo in the various calibers used. I'm reasonably sure that the .44 Remington Magnum and the .45-70 Government will pass through both doors.
Again hanks for your entertaining and informative video.
That .44 hitting on the ridge is a structurally stronger piece of steel with the bend in it, I'd be willing to bet it would have penetrated anywhere else.
At 10:55 you can see that 357 slug just roll out of the inside of that first door.
I know the 44 mag 300gr hard cast will blow a large hole though whatever you shoot
I want to see you get, and test out a model 94 XTR in 375WIN???
If someone wants to send one out with some ammo, I'd happily test it!
Hard to find - just like a 30-30 on steroids! Love mine, but as I'm in Melbourne, hard to loan mine.......
Oh man I bet so
1. They don't make doors like they used to.
2. What if someone have Underwood or Lehigh XP or XD rounds. But other than that great demonstration video. 👍
How about a Puma 92 in .480 Ruger with Buffalo Bore 410 grain hard cast around 1550 fps? Can you say wallop?
🤣 Just a bit
Be great to see what would happen with Semi jacketed flat points or FMJ’s
Wow, it is almost like the 45-70 starts tumbling on impact. It just dumps a massive amount of energy on the initial hit.
Pretty wild for sure.
I'd be curious to see how a hard cast lead bullet would do on that. One article I read recently about the .45-70 black powder loads was that you could "eat right up to the hole", i.e. minimal meat destruction.
12 ga 00 buck vs. door/ blocks, please??
Excellent and fun video. I wonder what the last 45-70 would have done had there been a seat. I would be awesome to see this done with the 4 common rounds that might be used in an urban scenario. 9mm Gold Dot, 12 gauge slug, 5.56 FMJ, and a .308. Not sure if law enforcement would use hollow points on those last two rounds.
Use a Remington Core Lokt 150 or 170 grain 30-30 and your results with the 30-30 would be much more effective, I'd be willing to bet.
Let’s see a do over with some underwood extreme penetrators.
45 colt?
Isn't it weird how the 4570 made that strange siren sound when it hit?
30-30 for my self defense unless its a sasquatch then its 45/70
Awesome, you've got it all covered!
Why wouldn't you use the 45-70 for self defense?
I mention it in the other episodes some and in the Series Recap, episode 8. Too much penetration with this particular round to use in a house. Check out The Gel test, The Wall test, and the Series Recap. Thanks for watching!
@@buildhuntxplore I think you're videos are great. Happy new year to you all
@@sharpeye6760It just basically depends on whatever I got my hands on my daily EDC gun is a Sig P320 X Compact but actually I prefer not to use a lever action rifle for self defense but I think these videos is saying if you were put in a situation that you had to use a lever action rifle for self defense which would choose....For me it would be my Marlin 30-30 336w because it's what I have the most experience with my 45-70 has a lot of recoil and throws me off target more
Needed to test Hammerdown! :/
Couldn’t find any lol
A full power 158 grain or 180 grain 357 mag XTP probably would've gotten through that block. If not, a Buffalo Bore Hardcast 180 grain definitely would've.
Those are al "meat" bullets.... hard cast would have a lot more penetration.
Very true. But that was kind of the point with these. For a home defense situation, you would most likely be loaded for meat and not necessarily hard barriers.
444 and 35rem would of been interesting
Definitely. Wish I had them to test.
Next time you do a test like this spread a tarp out on the ground easier to clean up 😺
I miss my s10
Sorry
@@buildhuntxplore 🤣
The Hole Truth.
Wait, so bullet weight and muzzle velocity matter? And passing thru barriers, bullet weight might outweigh velocity? Someone needs to travel back 300 years ago and advise the flintlock rifle crowd. "Hey Future Revolutionary Militia, Big News from the Future!" ;-)
44 magnum
Using plastic tip expanding soft tissue hunting bullets don't cut it!. Most guys know this and better, Why in the heck would you even try or waste the time and ammo?
The series was partially sponsored by Hornady, so I had to use the supplied ammo for the shoot. Future shoots will use appropriate ammo for the given situation. Trust me, I knew it wasn't going to do much, haha.