A fantastic version of death in media would be Death in the Diskworld series, an anthropomorphic personification who seeks to understand humans better and has some genuinely deep and meaningful moments whilst also being very funny. --- “Is it?” He insisted. “Is this it? This time I die?” COULD BE. “Could be? What sort of answer is that?” Said Vimes. A VERY ACCURATE ONE. YOU SEE, YOU ARE HAVING A NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE, WHICH INESCAPABLY MEANS THAT I MUST UNDERGO A NEAR-VIMES EXPERIENCE. DON’T MIND ME. CARRY ON WITH WHATEVER YOU WERE DOING. I HAVE A BOOK.
One thing I remember distinctively from a Film Theory video was their point about how, if you look purely at statistics, the movie with the highest chances to win an Oscar would be a biopic about a world war 2 film maker on the allies side staring a white man with a much younger female love interest. It made me realize that the Oscar judges are a bunch of old white dudes with film careers who love movies about themselves featuring a hunk they can self insert in that bangs the hot chick that’s their granddaughter’s age.
There's definitely a general snobbery in film criticism against genres like horror, action, superhero movies etc, albeit with honourable exceptions (Mark Kermode springs to mind), and I do think recent generational shifts are changing that. But just as not all films have to be 'art', not all films have to be 'entertainment' either. If you go and see Final Destination, it'll be for completely different (and perhaps equally valid) reasons than those for which you'll go and see something like The Seventh Seal. Having said that, I do think the Oscars have a very warped idea of what constitutes great cinema. The voters tend to nominate films that make them feel good about themselves one way or another, and that leaves little room either for genre movies that lots of people actually enjoy, AND for films that genuinely challenge audiences or stretch the art form itself. That's why the Oscars aren't much use as a barometer of quality (and seldom have been in the past).
yea and the same critics who always give bad reviews to horror movies are the same kind of people who'll do anything to argue that silence of the lambs is not a horror movie.
Roger Ebert is my favorite critic, because I cal just watch what he hates and avoid his favs. He’s so bad that he was heavily critical that An American Tail for not being obvious that the mice are Jewish and they were fleeing antisemitism. Every aspect of that film is clearly, obviously representative of early 20th century Jewish immigrants in. NYC. I can only think that his criticism was projecting his lack of knowledge of our (and his) history. Feivel (Yiddish name that people just have. Means little mouse) Mousekewitz (Moskewitz is a common Jewish name). Kossacks burn a clearly Jewish village in an obvious pogrom. The women working in a textile sweatshop. Many of the mice have Eastern European Yiddish accents. I saw that film in the cinema and despite being ostensibly raised Lutheran (an a sect that was very, if quietlyantisemitic), it made me know “I think I need to be Jewish.” I mean DURING THE FILM. During the opening scene I felt attacked! Now I’m very Jewish. Fscking Roger fscking Ebert.
I always wondered why the people would get premonitions of their deaths... Like, why would Death allow that to happen? So I theorized that the premonitions are actually outside of Death's control, which left me with an idea for an alternative way the story could have gone; It would be interesting to see a film where one of the characters gets these premonitions regularly, and they eventually just learn how to perfectly predict their own death and avoid it. So they become a Death defying badass, dancing between the raindrops, as everyone else around them dies.
Funnily enough, I watched the original Final Destination last week! Much like Lucas I'm not a big fan of the gorier horror films, but thought the first one was ok
I always wondered what actually gave these people the premonitions. Did they actually see the future or was it just one person have a sudden panic attack or even a hunch. If it was another entity besides death showing them it all, why did they do it and not protect them. The mythology isn't touched on a ton but I think its more about the kills and the complexity over it all instead of the lore
Criticising it for being aimed at teenagers sounds like the critics engaging in cinematic snobbery; you know, the sort that considers cinema High Art and looks down on anything for the hoi palloi as being worthless and refuses to engage with it or evaluate it on its own merits. Edit: you go on to touch on this, never mind.
They had a TV series awhile back that had a somewhat similar concept where a girl dies and became a Reaper and they went around marking people for death and then they'd die in interesting ways. I think it was called Dead Like Me, not sure. :D
I would love to see a Final Destination where there is a character that was a minimalist with wild OCD that unknowingly just notices & fixes all of Death’s little pitfalls & setups before they can take effect, & Death is super pissed off because they just won’t fall for its shit. So it just terrorizes & kills folks around them constantly, causing people to believe that the character is Bad Luck or somehow guilty or responsible due to always being at/around the scene of the crime.
I think that one of my favourite things that they do in the series is at the very end of the last one the two survivors are on a plane and they you see the fight from the first film kicking off, I thought that was a very clever way to end the series and why I don’t think they need anymore they capped the series perfectly but before they got bad
I may have gotten introduced to final Destination in either the worst or best way possible, depending on who you ask. Basically in middle school on the last day before Summer vacation we got to pick a movie to watch in class. Someone had brought along an entire collection of copied dvds with the names of the movies marked on them, and since the teacher hasn't had heard of final destination before (and neither did I, i just assumed it was somehow linked to final fantasy there), we ended up watching the second one there. I was pretty squeamish with more gorey Stuff back then (still am cause it just is sensory like... nope to me) and also I fucking shared a Name with one of the Main characters, so that added something to it. The teacher did Not stop while the movie was going, kinda too shook to do so, they said though, that they should've afterwards. Needless to say, i was scared shitless for the next few days and didn't Visit that series for quite some Time before stumbling over it again from a distance 😅
I just thought a final destination edit where we add in post insert shots of a spirit halloween grim reaper rubbing his hands in exciment before an accident, looking dissapointed when a trap fails and fist bumping gleefuly when he finally gets a victim. Would that ruin the film or make it better?
Reminds me of the godfather a bit movie was decently made with decent acting but after 4 watches it feels dull. I would take final destination over it any day of the week.
My favourite "I never killed anyone" Jigsaw moment is when he put a chain smoking janitor in a breathing contest against a healthy middle class man.
The cigarettes killed him. Jigsaw just showed what smoking does and how it can get you killed in certain situations.
@@BURDYMAN777I didn't kill that man your honor, I was just showing him how bullets kill people.
@@BURDYMAN777 And what was he supposed to do with that lesson? He died.
I always joked that death shopped at acme
A fantastic version of death in media would be Death in the Diskworld series, an anthropomorphic personification who seeks to understand humans better and has some genuinely deep and meaningful moments whilst also being very funny.
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“Is it?” He insisted. “Is this it? This time I die?”
COULD BE.
“Could be? What sort of answer is that?” Said Vimes.
A VERY ACCURATE ONE. YOU SEE, YOU ARE HAVING A NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCE, WHICH INESCAPABLY MEANS THAT I MUST UNDERGO A NEAR-VIMES EXPERIENCE. DON’T MIND ME. CARRY ON WITH WHATEVER YOU WERE DOING. I HAVE A BOOK.
I'd like to think that Death was previously working for efficiency, but now that it's personal, they're gonna do some crazy shit, for the lolz.
After the first movie, I always paid attention to the background of the sequels trying to guess how someone was going to die.
One thing I remember distinctively from a Film Theory video was their point about how, if you look purely at statistics, the movie with the highest chances to win an Oscar would be a biopic about a world war 2 film maker on the allies side staring a white man with a much younger female love interest.
It made me realize that the Oscar judges are a bunch of old white dudes with film careers who love movies about themselves featuring a hunk they can self insert in that bangs the hot chick that’s their granddaughter’s age.
There's definitely a general snobbery in film criticism against genres like horror, action, superhero movies etc, albeit with honourable exceptions (Mark Kermode springs to mind), and I do think recent generational shifts are changing that. But just as not all films have to be 'art', not all films have to be 'entertainment' either. If you go and see Final Destination, it'll be for completely different (and perhaps equally valid) reasons than those for which you'll go and see something like The Seventh Seal.
Having said that, I do think the Oscars have a very warped idea of what constitutes great cinema. The voters tend to nominate films that make them feel good about themselves one way or another, and that leaves little room either for genre movies that lots of people actually enjoy, AND for films that genuinely challenge audiences or stretch the art form itself. That's why the Oscars aren't much use as a barometer of quality (and seldom have been in the past).
Naming a horror franchise after a level in Super Smash Bros was an interesting choice.
yea and the same critics who always give bad reviews to horror movies are the same kind of people who'll do anything to argue that silence of the lambs is not a horror movie.
@4:51 people are obviously rewatching that part of the video because of how tense it is, no other reasons.
Roger Ebert is my favorite critic, because I cal just watch what he hates and avoid his favs.
He’s so bad that he was heavily critical that An American Tail for not being obvious that the mice are Jewish and they were fleeing antisemitism.
Every aspect of that film is clearly, obviously representative of early 20th century Jewish immigrants in. NYC.
I can only think that his criticism was projecting his lack of knowledge of our (and his) history.
Feivel (Yiddish name that people just have. Means little mouse) Mousekewitz (Moskewitz is a common Jewish name).
Kossacks burn a clearly Jewish village in an obvious pogrom.
The women working in a textile sweatshop.
Many of the mice have Eastern European Yiddish accents.
I saw that film in the cinema and despite being ostensibly raised Lutheran (an a sect that was very, if quietlyantisemitic), it made me know “I think I need to be Jewish.” I mean DURING THE FILM. During the opening scene I felt attacked!
Now I’m very Jewish.
Fscking Roger fscking Ebert.
I always wondered why the people would get premonitions of their deaths... Like, why would Death allow that to happen? So I theorized that the premonitions are actually outside of Death's control, which left me with an idea for an alternative way the story could have gone; It would be interesting to see a film where one of the characters gets these premonitions regularly, and they eventually just learn how to perfectly predict their own death and avoid it. So they become a Death defying badass, dancing between the raindrops, as everyone else around them dies.
Oh... wait... lmao
Final Destination in Ancient Greece. Let it be so, and have allusions to Thanatos being the instigator.
Another banger of a video lads!
This movie franchise has always given me anxiety thinking ’how would death fuck me up In this normal room’
Horror, where literally anything can be the villain. Even a tyre 😂
Final Destination 2 definitely had that Jaws effect going for it. Lmao it's wild to even think about
Funnily enough, I watched the original Final Destination last week! Much like Lucas I'm not a big fan of the gorier horror films, but thought the first one was ok
Im kinda opposite, I don't mind loads of gore in conventional ways but I cannot handle Final Destination or Saw type shit
Me and dad caught the first, we howled at the bus.
Man, i love it when y'all get into the weeds on stuff (the sets) and get to explain why it makes it better.
Hell yeah! One of my favorite movie series.
I like to think that it was death that gave the premonitions because they were bored and wanted to do something spicy.
I always wondered what actually gave these people the premonitions. Did they actually see the future or was it just one person have a sudden panic attack or even a hunch. If it was another entity besides death showing them it all, why did they do it and not protect them. The mythology isn't touched on a ton but I think its more about the kills and the complexity over it all instead of the lore
I remembered it being the case... But I've only seen the second one
Criticising it for being aimed at teenagers sounds like the critics engaging in cinematic snobbery; you know, the sort that considers cinema High Art and looks down on anything for the hoi palloi as being worthless and refuses to engage with it or evaluate it on its own merits.
Edit: you go on to touch on this, never mind.
I like to think that death in final destination is the same death in horrible histories
They had a TV series awhile back that had a somewhat similar concept where a girl dies and became a Reaper and they went around marking people for death and then they'd die in interesting ways. I think it was called Dead Like Me, not sure. :D
Loved this movie series. Really makes me overthink everything is going to unalive me in a spectacular and gruesome way
The 5th one is the bridge collapse, when guy gets melted but the liquid tar
I would love to see a Final Destination where there is a character that was a minimalist with wild OCD that unknowingly just notices & fixes all of Death’s little pitfalls & setups before they can take effect, & Death is super pissed off because they just won’t fall for its shit. So it just terrorizes & kills folks around them constantly, causing people to believe that the character is Bad Luck or somehow guilty or responsible due to always being at/around the scene of the crime.
I think that one of my favourite things that they do in the series is at the very end of the last one the two survivors are on a plane and they you see the fight from the first film kicking off, I thought that was a very clever way to end the series and why I don’t think they need anymore they capped the series perfectly but before they got bad
Wait until Karl finds out about Slotherhouse
I don't hate horror per se; I just hate jump scares.
I saw 3 as like a 8 year old kid, won't EVER get on a rollercoaster couldn't pay me
I may have gotten introduced to final Destination in either the worst or best way possible, depending on who you ask.
Basically in middle school on the last day before Summer vacation we got to pick a movie to watch in class. Someone had brought along an entire collection of copied dvds with the names of the movies marked on them, and since the teacher hasn't had heard of final destination before (and neither did I, i just assumed it was somehow linked to final fantasy there), we ended up watching the second one there.
I was pretty squeamish with more gorey Stuff back then (still am cause it just is sensory like... nope to me) and also I fucking shared a Name with one of the Main characters, so that added something to it.
The teacher did Not stop while the movie was going, kinda too shook to do so, they said though, that they should've afterwards.
Needless to say, i was scared shitless for the next few days and didn't Visit that series for quite some Time before stumbling over it again from a distance 😅
Dead Like Me is a good show that has a similar premise
Would have been funny if also on the plane was the cast from lost haha
Lion king 3d is the best 3d film iv seen in a cinema
I just thought a final destination edit where we add in post insert shots of a spirit halloween grim reaper rubbing his hands in exciment before an accident, looking dissapointed when a trap fails and fist bumping gleefuly when he finally gets a victim.
Would that ruin the film or make it better?
or the grim reaper from horrible histories
Reminds me of the godfather a bit movie was decently made with decent acting but after 4 watches it feels dull. I would take final destination over it any day of the week.
Theyre describing 1000 ways to die XD
i'd highly recommend checking out the recent horror movie "Talk To Me" it's actually really good
I think Lucas would love SAW X if he really liked Saw 1 & 2
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i wanted to watch this so bad, but carl need to be the focus lol, I just couldn't.
Inagine criticising toy story for aiming at children lmao.