PINOCCHIO | The Darkest Disney Film

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    Pinocchio was a film I watched and loved as a child, but my re-introduction to the films depth of meaning came from listening to countless lectures from Dr Jordan B Peterson. I'm endlessly fascinated by his words of wisdom and included a lot of his perspective in this video.
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    SONGS (In order):
    Camarata - Pinocchio (1963)
    Jinsang - Affection
    Plusma x emune -Float
    Giyo - Strangers
    Tides - Spices
    Joey Pecoraro - Finding Parking
    Two Feet - You’re so cold
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  • @uhohwawh6965
    @uhohwawh6965 6 лет назад +246

    The song "I have no strings" is terrifying to me because of its meaning to us, the people watching how no one controls him but he is too naive to control his own actions

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +31

      I know its quite a scare thing to think that at one point you are out on your own and its up to you to navigate the world.

    • @strawberrygardens_5350
      @strawberrygardens_5350 4 года назад +3

      I actually heard that they are going to make a live action Disney Pinocchio movie soon

    • @mystixmind
      @mystixmind 4 года назад +9

      @@strawberrygardens_5350 starring Tom Hanks smh

    • @d0gbackwards553
      @d0gbackwards553 3 года назад +4

      @@strawberrygardens_5350 OH GOD, THATS GONNA BE EVEN MORE HORRIFYING.

    • @ahmadfaizulhilmimohamed9383
      @ahmadfaizulhilmimohamed9383 2 года назад +1

      The song is terrifying because just like you disobey order.

  • @j-core2895
    @j-core2895 3 года назад +131

    as dark as the pleasure island scene was it actually tells children(mainly young boys) that
    trusting a stranger could scar you for life as the little boys were turned into donkeys which
    is a symbol of foolishness and stupidity remember kids there are no shortcuts in life
    and you should not smoke

    • @ZakWolf
      @ZakWolf 2 года назад +9

      Oh yes, those life lessons were very good. Seeing Pinocchio get sick from his cigar is also why I don't smoke!

  • @EndlessDream
    @EndlessDream 6 лет назад +302

    And you know what's sad? All of the villains got away with what they did.
    Disney villains are usually punished accordingly for their actions but the Coachman, Stromboli, the fox and the cat are still out there.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +72

      I know thats really dark, to think the that coach driver gets away at the end. haunting. especially for Disney.

    • @richardranke7878
      @richardranke7878 4 года назад +16

      -and in the book, Pinocchio and Gepetto-having just got out of the whale-saw the fox and the cat as beggars on the road. Pinocchio refused to help them at all.(So there,too!)

    • @andrewchung2940
      @andrewchung2940 4 года назад +38

      It seems that the whole point of Pinocchio is Pinocchio's character development, rather than a traditional good vs evil story. Actually, the good vs evil conflict in this film is more internal rather than external. It is Pinocchio's own choice that gets him in trouble with wicked people like the Coachmen or Stromboli. Unlike other Disney MCs, Pinocchio allows himself to be taken advantage of by the villains when he falls into temptation, and good triumphs when he manages to escape them and be given a second chance to be a better person. This in a way, is like real life. Each of us can make a right or wrong choice (Yes, there's always a grey area, but you get my point) and we don't always have the chance or ability to defeat some villain. The best we can do is to stay away from evil or toxic people or find ways to not let them be part of our lives. And a lot of times, those people may not always get their comeuppance until later in life, if at all. Pinocchio is a cautionary tale that tells us that the world can be a dangerous place and our choices determine how we will turn out, whether like Pinocchio or the other "stupid little boys".
      Interestingly, there are other Disney villains who are not punished accordingly, such as Man from Bambi, the stepfamily from Cinderella (they lose Cinderella, but they don't really get punished), or even the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland.

    • @ryanhoward3383
      @ryanhoward3383 3 года назад +9

      Cruella De Vil doesn't get punished either (except for her car landing in the ditch)

    • @FedUpPrincess09
      @FedUpPrincess09 3 года назад +8

      @@ryanhoward3383 at least she got arrested in the 1996 Disney live action lol

  • @daniel_netzel
    @daniel_netzel 6 лет назад +454

    This movie scarred me as a child, the sequence with Pleasure Island resonated with some part of my subconscious in a way that stuck with me for a long time, I think I, like many, spent years without realizing the deeper symbolical resonance of its imagery and narrative. I think that's what makes the best Disney films such classics, they're fables that aren't meant to be examined from any literal point of view, but to instead show us something deeper. I thought this video was great Darren, really wonderful stuff.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +21

      Thanks man, yeah I totally remember how visceral and crazy pleasure seemed as a child but the thing that stuck with me most was moments after when its night time and quiet and they are alone playing pool, something about that scene hit me hard as a child.

    • @OfficeSpace2909
      @OfficeSpace2909 6 лет назад +4

      Very good analysis being displayed by your succinct writing skills.
      One aspect that I have observed with today’s contemporary Disney
      films that have been made very recently is this movement, at least
      from my point of view, to completely sanitize certain amounts
      of films that cater exclusively to children. As opposed to
      Pinocchio which seems to cross generational lines to become a
      classic with a timeless message that does not appear forced or
      contrived. Instead, the film relies on good story telling
      and character development for it to thrive and possibly
      inspire audiences across the globe.

    • @mimi1girl2dempsey3
      @mimi1girl2dempsey3 6 лет назад +3

      "they're fables that aren't meant to be examined from their literal point of view but to instead show us something deeper". Applying this phrase to religion would make our world a much better place.

    • @scottbrooks2255
      @scottbrooks2255 3 года назад +4

      I had not thought about seeing Pinocchio when I was a child for a very long time. And I remember the pleasure island scene and being very frightened. I don’t think I had given it as much thought as you have. But I do remember it affecting me profoundly on a conscious level. And probably a subconscious level but I had never considered until now. Wow! Thank you for that. It’s like him seeing those memories For the first time in over 40 years in fast-forward.

    • @madisonsupple
      @madisonsupple 3 года назад +7

      I was talking with friends about movies that scared us as children. And none of them had seen Pinocchio so they didn’t understand why I said The Pleasure Island scene. It truly terrified me as a child. More than any Disney villain because it was so real. And the children never returned home.

  • @leonardosomma4196
    @leonardosomma4196 2 года назад +87

    What's really cool is:
    If the blue fairy wanted Pinnochio to learn these things, she could have birthed him with these qualities anyway, but she doesnt because she wants him to learn and grow for himself. And she knew if he were born perfect, he wouldn't be real as no one is perfect

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +12

      Thats the deep truth in the film, and made of life too!

    • @leonardosomma4196
      @leonardosomma4196 2 года назад +4

      @@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ I just, REALLY like this video ok!

    • @LazyOldFusspot_3428
      @LazyOldFusspot_3428 Год назад +5

      Pinocchio is one of the most realistic Disney films by far, in terms of how human most of its moments are.

  • @Peter_1986
    @Peter_1986 3 года назад +94

    The original story in the book was even darker than the Disney movie:
    in that version Pinocchio actually _kills_ Jiminy Cricket and turns him into a ghost, and Lampwick is sold to a farmer and dies from starvation and exhaustion.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +27

      Wow thats dark lol. Im surprised Disney thought that was family friendly material when they chose to do it.

    • @ilincabogza
      @ilincabogza 3 года назад +21

      @@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ same with the little mermaid. They have a thing for really dark "children's" tales lol

    • @sketchs_art_corner
      @sketchs_art_corner 3 года назад +14

      Pinocchio was also hung, though I believe the author was forced to change that. The author did not like children and wanted to brutally teach kids a lesson

    • @FedUpPrincess09
      @FedUpPrincess09 3 года назад +21

      Also Pinocchio does turn into a donkey and is sold to a man who wants to skin him and make a drum...the man tries to drown him in the ocean and carnivorous fish eat away the magical donkey flesh leaving him a marionette again...😳

  • @WillScarlet16
    @WillScarlet16 3 года назад +133

    It's still 100 times more uplifting than the book. The book could only have been written by someone who hated kids. In the book ANY kind of childish behavior is bad, and all the blame is placed on the kids for what they get into. Gepetto wishes he'd never made Pinocchio, nobody accepts him unless he promises to do whatever they say, and when he's hung from a tree the characters just say 'Serves him right,' and leave him. And Collodi was originally going to end the book that way! Basically, his message is "Kids are inherently evil, and if you don't repress all your childishness, nobody will love you and you'll go to hell."
    Disney knew kids enough to draw a line between good childish behavior and bad childish behavior, and even though the kids aren't angels, he places the blame for greater evil on the ADULT characters. In Disney's version Pinocchio is not bad, just inexperienced, and even when he does go wrong he's still accepted by Jiminy and his father.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +22

      I've never read the bool but that sounds terrible, I wonder why Walt Disney decided to use it for a film, I mean I love how it turned out, so not complaining, but sounds like a weird source to draw from.

    • @nouky3980
      @nouky3980 Год назад

      @William Craig Did you even read the book? I didn't read it as "kids are evil" but more as "don't be an evil kid or you will end up very bad". Pinocchio is a puppet made of wood after all. And he has to learn everything.

    • @nouky3980
      @nouky3980 Год назад +8

      @@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ he decided to use this story because it was an épisodic story with different things happening (because it was first published in a magazine).
      Pinocchio travels a lot so we can see always different regions and backgrounds, so we always see something new.
      And that was great potential for a movie as we saw.

    • @Stardust_Dynamo
      @Stardust_Dynamo Год назад +4

      I heard, pinocchio fucking ICED jiminy cricket in the book 💀

    • @gustavohorn2194
      @gustavohorn2194 Год назад +2

      Sounds like the book reflects the line of thinking of those times… children’s upbringing was probably much stricter.

  • @jannsse
    @jannsse 6 лет назад +161

    Another interpretation of them becoming donkeys is of course that the children have been reduced to creatures that are simply good for labor.
    Explosive consumerism (of tobacco, alcohol and superficial entertainment) has distracted them from and ultimately muted their values and dreams. They've lost what makes them human and have therefore only become useful in an economic sense, for their labor. Pinocchio is the only one who's able to fight against this destructive force and escape from this negative spiral before it's too late.

    • @jannsse
      @jannsse 6 лет назад +10

      Great video, by the way!

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +41

      Totally agree, whats quiet scary is even at the end when things are good for Pinocchio, the evil in the background still continues, the coach driver isn't caught at the end, the suffering goes on, we just don't see it.

    • @qbw8834
      @qbw8834 4 года назад +5

      The way the system works.... and what it really does to people....

    • @jasonzacharias2150
      @jasonzacharias2150 Год назад

      Shhhh.... They'll vax us again

  • @BangMaster96
    @BangMaster96 5 лет назад +142

    Remember men, life is suffering, chasing short term pleasure only prolongs that suffering.
    Strive for a purpose in life, strive for a meaningful life, you will fall, and maybe fall again, but he who rises after each fall is the victor. We all have limited time, the clock is ticking.

  • @martinaelyse9152
    @martinaelyse9152 2 года назад +28

    I've always loved Pinocchio as a kid, and I never truly realized how dark this really was now that I'm older. The fact that the villains don't get any punishment is what made it feel so real to me
    These things made me appreciate the movie even more

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +6

      hmmm yeah we see the end of Pinocchio's story but not for the bad guys or the other victims, in that same world, its still going on somewhere. frightening.

  • @ScottTeresi
    @ScottTeresi 2 года назад +29

    Seeing Lampwig go completely feral is one of the most chilling moments in cinema.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +6

      agreed!

    • @leeanntan9030
      @leeanntan9030 Год назад +6

      Agree. The voice acting was terrifying, captured the horrors of regrets and no turning back. Sometimes I wonder what happened to Lampwig and those kids… but do I really wanna know? 😢

    • @MarianneLily
      @MarianneLily Год назад +3

      Basically, Lampwick is not feral, he regrets when it's too late that he can't go back...

  • @bensagal-morris8072
    @bensagal-morris8072 4 года назад +100

    Extremely underrated Disney film. It’s my 2nd favorite Disney film, and is one of the best animated films of all time.

    • @SonNguyen-xp5ez
      @SonNguyen-xp5ez 4 года назад +11

      what is the 1st dear?

    • @bensagal-morris8072
      @bensagal-morris8072 4 года назад +16

      Probably Beauty and the Beast. But it fluctuates. Pinocchio may be my personal favorite though.

    • @tantris2876
      @tantris2876 2 года назад +4

      Bolt is one of the top 10 Disney movies (excluding pixar) and even better than pinoceo imo.

    • @bensagal-morris8072
      @bensagal-morris8072 2 года назад +2

      @Yeeyee Maybe it’s just me but the people I associate with (college age people) always zero in on the Disney Renaissance era and don’t really talk about the old school Disney films.

    • @bensagal-morris8072
      @bensagal-morris8072 2 года назад +1

      @Yeeyee I suppose. But it’s certainly not talked about as much as others are. Maybe it is in your circles but I rarely hear about it. Fortunately when I grew up I watched both the 30’s-50’s Disney films and the Disney Renaissance films. My gap was a lot of the 60’s and 70’s Disney stuff.

  • @1ROCKET-
    @1ROCKET- Год назад +8

    It's the darkest Disney film which also makes it my favorite Disney film

  • @catherinecao4810
    @catherinecao4810 2 года назад +8

    Lampwick keeps yelling that he’s “been framed”, like he’s the victim. He is a victim, but he’s also deflecting responsibility.

  • @ElmoTinker
    @ElmoTinker 3 года назад +35

    I was simply terrified of the Disney animated adaptation of Alice in Wonderland when I was young. I've never fully watched Pinnochio, but I can see why it was a disturbing film.

  • @fcv4616
    @fcv4616 2 года назад +22

    It's interesting too that the antagonists grow in menace as the film goes on. Honest John and Gideon are petty villains, even relatively (and deceivingly) likable. Then there's the coachman, who's unscrupulous and corrupt to the core. And then there's Monstro, which technically is not evil, just an animal predator who's got to eat. But at the same time it can represent the catastrophic power of nature by swallowing everything in its path and leaving destruction in its wake. Plus, the sea inhabitants are so afraid of him that they won't even utter his name, which suggests Monstro is sort of a Vlad Tepes of the sea, an unspeakable evil.
    But even though each villain becomes worse, Pinocchio's ability to deal with the danger improves, until he's ready to face danger head on and make willing sacrifices. I think this is a deep message. Life doesn't get easier, but we get stronger.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +4

      Well said, theres definitely a parallel crescendo of ability from our hero, matched with the ever growing evil of the villains. So awesome!

  • @KevinLeroyGrant
    @KevinLeroyGrant 4 года назад +39

    I remembered crying after watching this film for the first time after my childhood when I could actually understand it

    • @qbw8834
      @qbw8834 4 года назад +12

      Pinocchio was lucky to escape from it... But many people are not that lucky.... Even these days we live in...

    • @Sugarkyte
      @Sugarkyte 3 года назад +7

      @@qbw8834 Pinocchio got conscience to lead him out so yeah he was super lucky that he escaped from pleasure island the darkest part of the movie

    • @qbw8834
      @qbw8834 3 года назад +3

      @@Sugarkyte lol my message was about something much deeper but yes, indeed

  • @leeanntan9030
    @leeanntan9030 Год назад +8

    Whenever “The End” appear on my screen, I celebrate for Pinocchio for a second, quickly ruined by thinking “WAIT, What happens to the children/ donkeys?” I cry for those rambunctious kids. Very dark film.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  Год назад +5

      I know thats the part hat is never mentioned, very dark.

  • @MeowyMakes
    @MeowyMakes 3 года назад +45

    In first grade, there was a choice to watch either the Aristocats or Pinocchio. I voted for The Aristocats, but for some reason everyone wanted to watch Pinocchio, and that was my first time watching it. It was scary af and I had no clue why people were okay with watching it.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +11

      Yeah, the more I think about it, it would be terrifying to watch as a child!!!

    • @FedUpPrincess09
      @FedUpPrincess09 3 года назад +3

      Watching it as a kid, they were just bad guys and even tho he may not have fought them or defeated them he got away...watching it as an adult...super cringe 😬😅

    • @mamakittyluvsjesus
      @mamakittyluvsjesus 2 года назад +2

      I watched at home as a child it scared me so bad I hid behind a chair .

  • @juliaburkholder4213
    @juliaburkholder4213 2 года назад +38

    I've never actually seen this movie, but I can't be the only one who sees the connection between Pleasure Island and child trafficking here

    • @ProfessorSlump
      @ProfessorSlump Год назад +11

      tbh it made me think of jeffrey epsteins island where the kids gets drugged and sold for sex

    • @user-ff9uq8hw2x
      @user-ff9uq8hw2x Год назад +2

      @@ProfessorSlump it has nothing to do with that. many people think that pleasure island is sexual (poor italins and carlo! lol) but it isn't. we're all so confused.

    • @ld3507
      @ld3507 Год назад +1

      It screams child trafficking. As a kid when I saw this movie I was disturbed.
      This film goes way deeper than just child trafficking. All of Disney's films are reflective of such atrocities that have gone on and continue to the present. It's chilling to think we as children and generations following are still being hypnotized...oh no, some say, not Disney. Sorry folks. Yes Disney and he's just one of many.

    • @jesus_is_the_way
      @jesus_is_the_way Год назад

      You're not the only one. I believe that's exactly what they were pointing to. And someone commented that the donkey is also called "an ass" which makes it even more disturbing. In my opinion there's definitely something very dark going on there and as the saying goes, "if you don't want people to see something, put it right in front of their face". Pedophilia and child trafficking is nothing new, and there's quite some evidence of it happening in Hollywood and in high political/financial spheres. May God help us.

    • @forrestdupre87
      @forrestdupre87 Год назад +1

      You should read the book

  • @Anotherjune369
    @Anotherjune369 6 лет назад +37

    As soon as you said "To the highest good he can conceptualize..." I knew the Lobster had gotten to you.

  • @smartboi2571
    @smartboi2571 2 года назад +5

    Bambi and Pinocchio were the best movies I know, they teach me that I can be childish but being selfless, I never thought a lot of myself I enjoyed everything I got and any memory I know, I have seen the bad side but that what gives me more appreciation to the good memories

  • @Onecutetiger
    @Onecutetiger 2 года назад +7

    I never saw the dark side of this as a kid, but now being an adult, sheesh man. This film is truly dark when it arrives to pleasure Island, it still gives me goosebumps

  • @miroslavputinovic6650
    @miroslavputinovic6650 2 года назад +12

    The allegory of kids being made jackasses and enslaved through alcohol always escaped me as a child.
    The whole journey horrified me, but that part hits different now.

  • @marvincorre4783
    @marvincorre4783 2 года назад +16

    Pinocchio is one of the best Disney films I’ve ever seen because it teached me so many things that will be relevant to my future. Let me talk about the positive things and the negative things. I am impressed with Pinocchio’s character development because even though he made some bad decisions, he sacrificed himself during the battle scene to save his own family which shows his true character.
    + The morals are extremely executed and it is completely relevant for children to watch this film if they want to learn about actions, family and life. The animation is breathtaking and astonishing, the storytelling is fantastic and it conjures more nostalgia and magic than any other Disney film.
    - Despite it’s executed morals and great storytelling, some of the scenes are terrifying but also traumatizing at the same time. The children didn’t deserve to transform into donkeys because bad attitude doesn’t justify evil and the crimes that Coachman commited without showinf any remorse for his actions.
    The whole point of this film is that when we do bad actions, there are gonna be some several and actual consequences so if you don’t want to suffer consequences then you have to take responsibility for your actions and don’t repeat the same actions again. Both family and education is important in our lives so we can have a great future and life, fame is important but it’s not always important in our life and wishes may come true.

  • @pinocchiokinnie1555
    @pinocchiokinnie1555 3 года назад +19

    I love Pinocchio since I was a little girl, it's wonderful for me to watch a video that explains the movie

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +5

      It was a childhood favourite of mine, but I was blown away to hear so much more going on when I returning to dig into it.

  • @northernskow3443
    @northernskow3443 3 года назад +18

    To be fair, when they brought him to the Coachman, it is kinda hard to say no when you are picked up and dragged off against your will.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +4

      lol yeah kinda task your choice out of it.

    • @miroslavputinovic6650
      @miroslavputinovic6650 2 года назад +8

      As you grow up you learn to realize that the only way to say NO is to say it with your hands sometimes.

  • @deliriousmeatball6855
    @deliriousmeatball6855 5 лет назад +38

    I agree so much with you. As a child, Disney bright out a lot of emotions in me in ways I genuinely didn’t understand but Pinocchio was a completely different experience. Just the pallet of the film is sinister to me and as a child it scared in a way I didn’t understand. This might genuinely sound super dark but looking back, geeZ

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  5 лет назад +5

      I know its a totally different experience watching this film as an adult, also the animation is mind blowing compared to the early Disney films!

  • @ryanwilliams1800
    @ryanwilliams1800 3 года назад +30

    This movie ia a masterpiece, the animation is incredible for 1940. But there is no denying that there are some truly disturbing and creepy moments in this movie.Whenever i watch it i always enjoy it but there is that uneasy feeling i get because i know that there is some dark stuff in it. While Dumbo and Bambi were very sad and poignant (Dumbo is bullied for his big ears and his mother is separated from him and locked away just for defending him, Bambi losses his mother) this film presents us with Pinocchio being locked in a cage and told he will work as a slave and then used as firewood when he has served his purpose, young boys drinking and smoking, young boys being taken away and turned into donkeys. It always struck me that the villains never get caught or punished but the little boys suffer the cruelest punishment imaginable and nothing in the movie ever suggests that they are rescued from this. Finally, we have the Whale which is probably not ''evil'' exactly just needs to satisfy its appetite, but the underwater scenes when the whale is chasing the fish and inside its belly are pretty creepy and the chase scenes when Pinocchio and his father try to escape are pretty scary

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +6

      I agree, the film is staggeringly impressive, especially for the time, especially when you compare it to some animation these days.. Its very bizarre the themes in the film but they really have stood this test of time as a classic.

    • @ryanwilliams1800
      @ryanwilliams1800 3 года назад +5

      @@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ i think honestly Pinocchio has stood the test of time way better than almost any other movie. It doesn't feel dated. I think movies like Titanic from 1997, and even other Disney movies like Lion King, don't stand the test of time because when you watch them again you see that underneath the hype they are just a lot of style over substance. Titanic was amazing in the last hour of the movie but you have to sit through two hours of a turgid uninspiring love story to get to the iceberg. Pinocchio has great animation and a deep story as well. When it was first released it didn't do so well but the years have given it the credit it deserves, its timeless and the themes in it are relevant now as they were at the time and always will be.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +5

      @@ryanwilliams1800 Agreed. Can you imagine how mind blowing it would be to have seen this in the cinema when it came out!

  • @StalwartShinobi
    @StalwartShinobi 4 года назад +18

    Im nearly 30 and only just realised that pinocchio ends up drinking and smoking until he cant hack it lol dark stuff!

  • @ZIPPYSWHIPS
    @ZIPPYSWHIPS 6 месяцев назад +3

    "They dont come back as boys!!"
    Brrrr.
    Spine shiver.

  • @daniellejaeger6329
    @daniellejaeger6329 Год назад +3

    I think going back to his home was less about the metaphor of tradition but was more about Pinocchio needs his parent- needs his support system- someone who cares about him and will listen to him. And he saves ghepetto because he refused to live without his support system, without someone who cares about him. Because when he was around ppl who didn't care, he was taken advantage of/led astray.
    This movie was terrifying to me as a child. I think I was terrified for good reason

  • @marrane87
    @marrane87 5 лет назад +45

    I love this film. It incarnates what real life is.

  • @tylerst.francis9126
    @tylerst.francis9126 2 года назад +17

    This is my favorite video of yours, well the top 3 are hard to determine. One flew over the cuckoos nest, Pinocchio and toy story 4 were all perfectly executed and analyzed to the point where it heightened my understanding and appreciation of the film, which is the whole point of film analysis... and unfortunately the rarest to find among the film analysis community.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +2

      Thanks Tyler, Glad to hear you've been enjoying the videos. I really enjoyed the research and writing on all those videos, especially the Toy Story 4 one, I was really moved by that film and it took a while to figure out how to explain why. The Pinocchio one started out mostly from Jordan Peterson being so fascinated by it, which led me to looking into it more.

  • @alecaquino4306
    @alecaquino4306 2 года назад +8

    I am a man in my 30's and I am STILL too frightened to watch this movie again. It really traumatized me as a child.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +2

      Yeah I can imagine, the fragile nature of a Childs imagination and the power of this work of art. Crazy!

    • @alecaquino4306
      @alecaquino4306 2 года назад +3

      @@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ I WILL acknowledge that it is an incredible work of art and possibly one of the finest movies from the golden age of Walt Disney. Still scares the life out of me though lol

  • @trustyourself-ashleyching3646
    @trustyourself-ashleyching3646 2 года назад +6

    “Prove yourself to be brave, truthful, unselfish and one day you will be a real boy.”

  • @cb2327
    @cb2327 5 лет назад +29

    Oh, you know Pinocchio was a dark movie just by the fact that Walt Disney has a cigar on his hand

    • @Revelation18-4
      @Revelation18-4 3 года назад +3

      Walt Disney was a 33rd degree freemason.

    • @tantris2876
      @tantris2876 2 года назад

      it's rated g.....................

  • @strawberrygardens_5350
    @strawberrygardens_5350 4 года назад +18

    When I watched this movie as a kid, I fast fowarded on the scary parts

  • @teamgitusome
    @teamgitusome 4 года назад +9

    the scene where they load the boat and go to pleasure island, departing and landing there are probably very close representations of how it actually looks more or less

  • @snOwNHLm
    @snOwNHLm 6 лет назад +117

    Clean your room

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +12

      You should see how organised my office had to be in order to get this video done lol.

    • @gsboss
      @gsboss 6 лет назад +1

      peterson is a hack you dipshit, start with the greeks

    • @nomorelies86
      @nomorelies86 4 года назад +2

      @@gsboss Why would start a conversation with dipshit you dipshit?

  • @amtahboub
    @amtahboub 6 лет назад +37

    I really needed to listen to this. Thank you so much! Your narration is wonderful and the underlying thoughts are massively insightful, thanks for doing the research and editing this.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +4

      Thanks, Jordan Peterson's 'Maps of Meaning' lectures were a great source of listening and covered this in way more depth, but also in way more hours lol.

  • @blastermaster5039
    @blastermaster5039 2 года назад +4

    1940. Jesus no wonder Walt is able to create an empire out of animation. The life inside of him and ambition is just so off the chart.

  • @butterflynerd0078
    @butterflynerd0078 Год назад +5

    This video was really helpful! I watched this movie all the time as a child. Then, when I was really sick with a super high fever, I was watching the film, and for some reason, it scared me, even though it hadn't before. I never watched it again but recently I've been thinking about it. I thought I'd youtube it to get over my fear haha.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  Год назад

      I had the same experience with E.T, I watched it constantly as a child, then got really scared of it, and now I'm older love it for its emotion and filmmaking chops.

  • @jdgonzo1982
    @jdgonzo1982 6 лет назад +14

    this movie always stuck out to me as a kid...watched it dozens of times during the many long, summer holidays. seems i'm living this story in real life now...

    • @qbw8834
      @qbw8834 4 года назад +1

      This movie shows the reality of the system.

  • @oakenaikemeja
    @oakenaikemeja 3 года назад +24

    The fact that this is rated G kind of makes me blink twice.

    • @tantris2876
      @tantris2876 2 года назад +4

      it should be rated pg at most!!! maybe even pg-13.

  • @vinnydemarco5997
    @vinnydemarco5997 3 года назад +15

    this was always my favorite disney movie because of how dark it was

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +5

      I know, I was always scared when they went to the island as a child, but even now, the imagery is so gritty and the music at points is terrifying.

  • @Matt-rm5ir
    @Matt-rm5ir 6 лет назад +6

    I barely saw this film for the first time earlier last year, and wow, it is a truly great but unsettling film, especially in the second act. It truly captured the darkness of life, but also glorified the purity of it as well. I think it's a mature kids movie, it handles it's themes well, so well that honestly, it's kinda creepy at times. There's good lessons here for kids to learn, more so than the ultra light hearted children's films today

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +1

      Yeah its deeply truthful and when I was a child watching this film, the adventure and the animation were the things that captured me but as an adult the themes and meaning behind the artists choices make the film so much more to me now!

  • @hzafary
    @hzafary 2 года назад +12

    On a lighter note, Gideon is one of my favorite disney villains. Although he is a mute his mannerisms and dramatic gestures always make me chuckle. I think he was just a boozed up cat following the orders of Honest John.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +2

      Yeah he seems like another sheep lost following someone else orders.

  • @johnnyzero8853
    @johnnyzero8853 3 года назад +5

    Pinocchio is getting a Soulslike video game called “Lies of P” that is a dark retelling story of it

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +2

      Hmmm, interesting, this is the first I've heard of this.

  • @yomotha78
    @yomotha78 4 года назад +10

    Okay but why do sound like me when I need to use fancy synonyms for my essay

  • @michaelpower-fortnitemovie4599
    @michaelpower-fortnitemovie4599 Год назад +3

    Pinocchio scared the living lights out of my when I was younger I got scared that if a trusted a stranger I would be a donkey and that’s how I learned that you stick to your parents no matter what

  • @jakeb.6487
    @jakeb.6487 3 года назад +10

    Amazing analysis. Beautiful.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  3 года назад +3

      Thanks, Jordan Peterson got me thinking more about the film and I wanted to put it all together.

  • @speedracer2008
    @speedracer2008 Год назад +2

    I think we can definitely relate to what Pinocchio feels when confronted by the Blue Fairy over what he did. It's hard to acknowledge when we've made mistakes and it's easier to hide them to spare our egos.

  • @darkstarmoonshadow8892
    @darkstarmoonshadow8892 Год назад +3

    8:14 the most frightening image in Disney history

  • @marksinclair2592
    @marksinclair2592 3 года назад +21

    This movie is a great representation how short term pleasures leads to your death sentence or a life of a “jackass” this movie hit me at a deeper level as I got older.. It helped me changed up my act and realized that life should be cherished and we should find meaningful things to do with this one life God gives us.. and that can be a variety of things. I’m starting college back up in hopes to graduate with an environmental science degree so I can contribute in making this planet a better place. It’ll be a long ride but I’m working hard right now to pay through college.

  • @pettaspro
    @pettaspro 6 лет назад +16

    My man, he’s still here. Love ya work boss

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +2

      Thanks man, planning on being regular with the videos this year, had to do a lot of screenwriting last year!

    • @pettaspro
      @pettaspro 6 лет назад +2

      MUST SEE FILMS nice man, hoping to see some results! Would love to see some bts or notes on this new series of video essays as well hey

    • @pettaspro
      @pettaspro 6 лет назад +2

      MUST SEE FILMS on Patreon I mean hahaha

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +3

      Iv actually started doing that a little on instgram these days, but will also being doing some Q and A podcasts soon, so that will be good chance to share some info. instagram.com/_mustseefilms_/

    • @pettaspro
      @pettaspro 6 лет назад +2

      MUST SEE FILMS legend

  • @DrButteFatman
    @DrButteFatman 2 года назад +3

    can't wait to see all of this fascinating subtext ignored in their POS remake. I'm glad we'll always have this classic to come back to

  • @rgelsh1
    @rgelsh1 6 лет назад +2

    Glad to have you back, brotha! You bring a refreshing insight to films with these essays, keep up the great work.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks man, pretty excited to be making videos again, getting to work on the next one!

  • @delanagracejohnson6282
    @delanagracejohnson6282 4 года назад +11

    In some ways the story reminds me of the Parable of the Prodigal Son.

    • @dianapevtsov
      @dianapevtsov 3 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/OCdUpMbioTM/видео.html

  • @FriedEgg101
    @FriedEgg101 2 года назад +4

    I grew up in the 80s, and this was one of my favourite films as a child. That and Disney's Robin Hood, and Sword in the Stone. I had super-christian helicopter parents, and Pleasure Island fascinated me. I went on to rebel hard in my teens, so maybe that was a foreshadowing. I certainly didn't find Pinocchio to be as dark as some other stuff I consumed as a child, such as Roald Dahl. But I suppose it is pretty dark for DIsney. I feel like your channel is very underrated btw.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +2

      Thanks man, yeah I also remember watching James and the giant peach and found it quite frightening as a child. Also I loved sword in the stone, had it recorded from TV on VHS.

  • @thejoker0123
    @thejoker0123 6 лет назад +17

    wonderful analysis on of Disney's most beloved classic i love this =D and i can't wait to see you do other Disney movies =)

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +6

      Thanks, theres a reason everyone who grew up with those classic Disney films, still loves them. There was a quality and ambition with each of those film! Pinocchio was a personal favourite of mine.

    • @thejoker0123
      @thejoker0123 6 лет назад +4

      your welcome and i 100% get that all the way and it's one of my all time personal faves also

  • @kobyashimaru1353
    @kobyashimaru1353 6 лет назад +4

    What a fantastic essay on my all time favourite Disney movie. Bravo sir!

  • @nTo-vlog
    @nTo-vlog 6 лет назад +1

    So this video is just published today, glad that I watch it so soon. Great work, really love the insights which you shared with us. Keep making videos, Darren!

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +2

      Thanks man, iv got lots more videos planned this years, but really excited to finish and finally share this one!

  • @petersmith9633
    @petersmith9633 5 лет назад +49

    You think this is dark, you should see the Italian version.

    • @DK-gl3ih
      @DK-gl3ih 3 года назад +2

      What happens in it?

    • @lm64luigi85
      @lm64luigi85 3 года назад +9

      @@DK-gl3ih Pinocchio escapes Pleasure Island but the Coachman, Honest John and Gideon chase after him back to shore and recapture him and Stromboli returns at the end and they all hang Pinocchio.

    • @BoomerPhilips
      @BoomerPhilips 3 года назад

      @@lm64luigi85 Which version was that?

    • @kaloyanmanchev6613
      @kaloyanmanchev6613 3 года назад +2

      @@BoomerPhilips the original

    • @BoomerPhilips
      @BoomerPhilips 3 года назад +2

      @@kaloyanmanchev6613 But I never remembered Stromboli (Fire Eater) returning at the end to hang Pinocchio.

  • @fcv4616
    @fcv4616 2 года назад +2

    Great video, man. Pinocchio is one of my favourite films, and I loved your philosphical take on it.

  • @bimmyfrizzo3988
    @bimmyfrizzo3988 2 года назад +4

    I just revisited the pleasure island donkey scene after all these years. That scene never scared me as a little kid, But now as an adult I got to say, that was one of the most terrifying scenes in any disney movie I have ever seen. Even more terrifying than any bloody gory horror movie out there.
    Now I'm probably gonna get nightmares for a while watching this. LOL

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +2

      I know, I had the same experience with ET. I watched is all the time as a child, but then a little older, I got terrified when ET gets ill and is dying. Shocked and scared me.

  • @joevaghn457
    @joevaghn457 2 года назад +5

    Pinocchio becomes real after being fake. It seems symbolic to me of realizing yourself after you gain experience.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +1

      Yeah, you almost have to make mistakes in order to realise the correct path down the line. Theres almost no value in getting it right first time because you don't learn anything.

  • @rayc5577
    @rayc5577 4 года назад +36

    I was just thinking about this the other day. The story is very deep. And it’s symbolic to what’s going on today. People are being mislead into destruction being turned into donkeys. (Hint ...which organisation uses the donkey as their logo)

    • @darren2706
      @darren2706 3 года назад +1

      maybe donkey from shrek is a donkey from treasure island he always say he used to wear pants well a few lines in shrek 1 and 3

    • @happybirthday146
      @happybirthday146 3 года назад +10

      @Rich In Jesus The reason the donkey is the Democrat mascot is because President Andrew Jackson's election opponent publicly called Jackson a jackass, so Jackson started using a donkey on campaign posters. Like Jesus turning the other cheek.

  • @LITTLE1994
    @LITTLE1994 2 года назад +4

    This is so well said for the reason why adults understand this.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +3

      Its pretty amazing that you can enjoy this as a child but then have a secondary appreciation of it as an adult.

  • @jediknight38
    @jediknight38 2 года назад +2

    Pinocchio has got to be the closest Disney has ever come to making an animated horror movie. Especially with Lampwick’s transformation scene. And let’s not forget Monstro.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +1

      Animated horror. Thats a nice phase and very suiting here.

  • @jonathancarlson7901
    @jonathancarlson7901 Год назад +6

    Pinocchio 2022 he learns nothing.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  Год назад +1

      lol I haven't watched it all yet, but iv heard mixed things.

  • @JessicaChastainFan
    @JessicaChastainFan 4 года назад +7

    Frozen, Moana and Zootopia wish they were 1% as good as Pinocchio, which I consider a perfect film. Rare, but it happens.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  4 года назад +3

      I know its on a whole new level of genius, plus the animation is amazing!

  • @dylanvincenty-cole2714
    @dylanvincenty-cole2714 Год назад +2

    Just rewatched this after 6 years after watching it in middle school for a project and lessons but after watching it again I love this film it's probably my Disney film it's awesome and good I loved it and it's a masterpiece it's amazing:)

  • @liberprimus6874
    @liberprimus6874 6 лет назад +2

    You deserve more views Darren, keep up the good work.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks man, Got lots of videos planned for this year so hopefully I'll be able to reach more people as I do more work.

  • @kirkhugginsjr9317
    @kirkhugginsjr9317 4 года назад +5

    Excellent excellent excellent interpretation of this film phenomenal job to this narrator... Even taught me a grown man a few things that I may have missed

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  4 года назад +2

      Happy to hear it Kirk! It was a fun video to make!

    • @kirkhugginsjr9317
      @kirkhugginsjr9317 4 года назад +2

      @@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ keep it coming fam

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  4 года назад +1

      @@kirkhugginsjr9317 Im gearing up with 2 new videos at the moment!

  • @jpcinema4574
    @jpcinema4574 6 лет назад +1

    Awesome work Darren. Love these video's so much dude.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад

      Thanks man, this was a fun one to make, really happy I finally got it done!

  • @stevenjones4059
    @stevenjones4059 3 года назад +2

    I so miss these Disney movies dark & beautiful & Peter Pan is the 1 Disney movie based off the darkest fairy tale where as Pinocchio is the darkest Disney movie based off a dark fairy tale .

  • @abrasunkulus
    @abrasunkulus 4 года назад +3

    wonderful interpretation. i would also add that gepetto is the representative of the father/god .... pinocchio is his creation as christ/human....letting him go into the world is the representation of the fall/creation of ego/attempot to create real identity without god....pinocchio's return home where he finds and empty house is how he already turned so astray by darkness and corruption, and having now realised this world of "pleasures" brings only pain and suffering, he still can not just choose to reunite with father without a deep purification of the soul, although the father is looking for him as well so they reuinte but can not find eachother.....gepetto trapped in the belly of the whale represents how father/god is "trapped" in each of us by this darkness of the ego/idea of separation and this ultimate darkness we must acknowledge and face and in the end let go of and "escape" from to be reuinted with the father ...blue fairy is the holy spirit that is the essential guide to his return to the god/father and pinocchio, by sacrificing his imaginary worldly self/false identity for father, is reborn in his true identity of REAL existance and forever joined with his creator/god/father from where he originally came from.

  • @lucasromualdo7003
    @lucasromualdo7003 2 года назад +2

    Well, i actually never felt "SCARED" by this movie, and i always (even as a little child) realized that's this movie is pretty dark...However one of my greatest fears is turning into a non talking ANIMAL, so the donkey scene was ALWAYS a little agonizing for me...

  • @l.navarro6255
    @l.navarro6255 3 года назад +4

    This was my favorite movie as a kid lol & I'm an 80s kid

  • @SearchfortheMeaning
    @SearchfortheMeaning Год назад +2

    Epic... I always felt exactly like Pinocchio. To the T! Thank you for your work.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  Год назад +1

      Thank time traveler. Pinocchio is such a great film, glad others are appreciating it.

  • @lesJOJOairlines
    @lesJOJOairlines 6 лет назад +3

    Amazingly good work. Thank you.

  • @xanderfoley6641
    @xanderfoley6641 2 года назад +4

    None of the boys get to go back its so dark so so so dark

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад +1

      I know, thats never mentioned again, and no one really gives it another thought unless you really really think about it.

  • @ojar91
    @ojar91 5 лет назад +4

    My favourite disney movie

  • @SeasonalGFilms
    @SeasonalGFilms 4 года назад +3

    I saw this movie as a kid and for some reason it didn’t scare me

    • @casesoutherland4175
      @casesoutherland4175 4 года назад +1

      Back then, it was a little creepy. Now as an adult watching it again, it's dark!

    • @SeasonalGFilms
      @SeasonalGFilms 4 года назад +1

      @@casesoutherland4175 i guess my autistic self is immune to some scary things

  • @EpicGeopolitics
    @EpicGeopolitics 3 года назад +6

    An excellent video bro. I loved the references to Peterson and Joseph Campbell. I am currently working on my second project and am taking deep interest in reading works by these types of people to help me with it. Let me know if you'd ever like to do a collaboration discussing this video dude. I'd love to discuss movies with you!

  • @RetroMarkyRM
    @RetroMarkyRM 5 лет назад +5

    Great video, very enlightening. I am doing an esoteric series on Bioshock and looking into whether Pinocchio connects with Fool's card in Tarot. The similarities are striking as is the journey itself. Great job!

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks man, iv just recently been introduced to the Tarot cards and I'm actually quite blown away by them and how interesting they have been. Turns out my soul card is number 9, The Hermit.

    • @RetroMarkyRM
      @RetroMarkyRM 5 лет назад

      @@_MUSTSEEFILMS_ haha. Yeh for all us video makers..that seems the appropriate card! ;_

  • @flowerbaeday19
    @flowerbaeday19 Год назад +1

    I love Pinocchio it's my favorite Disney movie but its sad.

  • @racewiththefalcons1
    @racewiththefalcons1 6 лет назад +1

    He's back! I hope this means we might see an analysis of The OA in the future. :)

  • @callmecharlottex
    @callmecharlottex Год назад +1

    I literally can’t watch the donkey scene in the original. The bit with Lampwick screaming for his mother is just plain horrifying, even as an adult. Do you think Lampwick was regretting his bad actions once he found out it was too late?

  • @MikeyCollie1990
    @MikeyCollie1990 6 лет назад +1

    Brilliant man. Love your work.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks Mike, Iv got lots more videos planned for this year, so happy to start it off with this one!

  • @corlethia4640
    @corlethia4640 5 лет назад +3

    The story: Pinnochio was a little puppet boy that was very naughty. The cricket (I dont know his name) tells him to do somrthin very bad. Pinnochio then gets a hammer and bashes the cricket. Time spam......... pinnochio then starts getting in bad situations to the point where he gets his legs burned off, and gets hanged up on a tree with a rope around his neck. I hope this helped you with the story.

    • @richardranke7878
      @richardranke7878 4 года назад +3

      That was the story I read before I even saw Disney's softened version.

    • @jaddyd424
      @jaddyd424 3 года назад

      The cricket’s name is Jiminy Cricket.

  • @kris7877
    @kris7877 4 года назад +1

    I looked this up today because no one else thinks this Pinocchio is unsettling.

  • @starlord7900
    @starlord7900 3 года назад +4

    I think alice was dark too

  • @solidus470
    @solidus470 6 лет назад +8

    great stuff Darren.. hope ya good man :)

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +1

      Thanks man! working on something exciting for the next one!

  • @ajcongdon1772
    @ajcongdon1772 2 года назад +2

    Great video. Thanks.

  • @starlingswallow
    @starlingswallow 4 года назад +1

    FanTASTIC video!!!

  • @finntube8278
    @finntube8278 2 года назад +3

    This traumatized me when I was younger but it was actually Monstro that scarred me

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад

      Yeah Monstro and the donkey sequence was horrifying as a child!

    • @miroslavputinovic6650
      @miroslavputinovic6650 2 года назад +1

      The donkey slavery bit was always the scary bit for me. The fact that everyone was getting trapped and rounded up horrified me.
      AND IT NEVER GOT RESOLVED. These bad guys won. Pinocchio was only barely able to save himself. Everyone else got fucked!

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  2 года назад

      @@miroslavputinovic6650 Yeah I know and they make no reference to the other boys at the end of the film, they are kinda just discarded, haunting!

  • @captainmycaptain4195
    @captainmycaptain4195 Год назад +1

    Notice the ladder revealed inside the broken mirror around the 09:40-09:50 mark

  • @Ayvee1138
    @Ayvee1138 6 лет назад +1

    Great analysis! Bought the blu ray just the other day.

    • @_MUSTSEEFILMS_
      @_MUSTSEEFILMS_  6 лет назад +2

      Nice! you don't see animation quite like this anymore!