Lightning 2099 Surprisingly, strangers only account for about .5% of all child kidnappings. The rest are family members or acquaintances. That’s why the whole “stranger danger” phrase is misleading. But hey, that’s just a fact.
@@capncake8837 lets go over the people who know (who wernt bribed to make sure they wouldnt get caught). -Pinocchio -Jiminy Cricket -Geppetto (Pinocchio prolly told him) yeah, they got away.
@@MrMoron-qn5rx i mean who is gonna believe a boy about a age between 6 and 12, a talking cricket and an old man who looks retired and could drop dead at any moment (also why does Geppetto kinda look like Mario in the original movie)
@@jace3811 exactly my point. Pinocchio turned into a real boy at the end of the movies, so he is just a kid... who'd believe him? Jiminy cricket is a fucking cricket, no-one would even try responding to him in fear of looking crazy, and gepetto could be going senile. Oh, maybe the goldfish and cat, but they're a goldfish and cat... who'd believe them? They cant even speak!
@@MrMoron-qn5rx true, but let's be honest the worst part is there is no villain in Pinocchio who gets punished even a bit, sure you could say Monstro got a bit of a hit in the head but considering it's size that hit's damage is going away in a few days let along if it even hurt him at all
To make things worse, some of the kids like alexander, and lampwick were both calling out for their mother so basically not all of the children are even orphans😰
Here’s something interesting I noticed when rewatching the scene where the boys get to Pleasure Island: They aren’t the first to arrive. There are already a LOT of kids there. Meaning that the Coachman is probably making a lot more than theorized in this video.
if coachman was erm "smart" he'd probably go around getting as many as he could to get to the island filling the island up entirely and when the park is destroyed from so many kids then he probably does his thing
@@KarrieDreammind5 A lot of the supposed costs in this video also likely don’t apply, as the Coachman has a bunch of shadow demon creatures under his command, so he probably has them repair the rides and maybe even make the food and cigars and whatnot. I also doubt that he regularly pays people like Honest John to spread the word about the island, he probably just tells a few kids in each town and they tell their friends who tell their friends and so on.
Omg Ave you people never seen this movie, like I'm 14 and I've seen most old movies like this, also what if that island was abandoned he would have made a looootttt more
and then he makes a theory and complains that Donkey from Shrek could be that donkey from pleasure island letting them get away with it blaming it on Donkey when Pinnocou didn't do it either
@@savageratentertainment In fairness Matpat said in that theory that if the Pinocchio in Shrek is the Disney Pinocchio, he wouldn't have been to Pleasure Island yet.
Most Top 10 Most Evil Disney Villain lists never include the Coachman, when he's easily the most diabolical villain by far. Robbing children of their lives and very humanity to turn them into farm animals for slave labor. Note that his stage coach was also being pulled by donkeys, presumably the talking ones he couldn't sell. What makes him uniquely worse is that he gets away with everything in the end.
So instead of looking at this literally, figuratively might also give us some answers. Okay, so to the basics. All of the children taken are boys. They are also street kids, or lower class kids. Let's say pleasure island isn't an actual island or theme park. But more of like what the old villainous men who buy the boys would call "pleasure island". Prehaps this is like a red light district for young boys. So the kids who were normal, are turned into donkeys by their over indulgence, which could also be seen as over indulging in drugs and sex. And the creepy guys who who pick up the kids, look like pimps and they groom the kids and sell them off to higher paying pimps. Sadly, I wish this was only about child labor, but there are pimps, old rich men, drugs, and the grooming and selling of children. Its fucking ridiculous that the rich men in power make movies about their perverted lives and we think their kids movies... fuck
Yeah, even maleficent willing to forgive the king and Queen if she actually invited to the event and the evil queen only target is snow white and she doesn't give a fuck about other people. Coachman pretty much doomed thousands of kids into life of misery.
i think mat made a mistake when he said that a donkey is sold for 500-2000$ but the cost is about 500$ old times dollars for repairs, like I think a donkey back then wasn't 500-200$ but a lot less
@@faizalf119 no i do i just think he miscalculated the price of donkeys, he said that now it costs 500$-2000$ but that's nowadays money, back then probably it wasn't that much yk
@@canisterbottournament yes that's what inflation means. He gave us modern estimates converted from old price. For example $1 in 1920 will be $12 in 2019. Also at that time people still rely heavily on horse and donkey so the price actually maybe more expensive
Maybe the reason the fairy turned Pinocchio into a living puppet instead of a boy was because she KNEW he was gonna end up at the island and wanted to make sure he couldn’t turn into a donkey.... *BUT THATS JUST A THEORY! A FILM THEORY*
The worst part is not all those kids were orphans. Lampwick, the one that changes in front of Pinocchio, screams for his mom during that scene and another kid after changing can still talk and says he wants to go home to his mom. Implication their fathers may have died in one of the wars, but at least some of those kids did have homes to go to. God this movie is dark.
+O L I V I A K O S K I V A A R A how about this he had to take journey and learn the values of honer friendship responsibility just. .just lime Emperor Kuskoe prince Navin Brother Bear and the Beast. tippical Disney formula
It was more about don't follow impulses. The characters just represented Pinocchios impulses to be a celebrity (without real talent), to take unearned vacations, and to act like adults (without accepting the responsibilities)
Simple-Commentator-not-really But that is not the purpose of the film. The message of Pleasure Island and the Coachmen is that if you make enough bad choices in life (like the rampant teenage hedonism that Pleasure Island represents), you can get yourself into a situation where there's no way out and no happy ending. You lose your humanity - literally! - and you become a slave to someone else forever. The reason why the Coachman gets away with it is because the donkey slavery is the epitome of a self-imposed hell-on-earth, and there is never a time in history when that is not possible. It's an ever-present danger that people can always fall into, so they always have to be wary they don't fall into it themselves. Check out Jordan Peterson's take on the whole film, it's really amazing.
Whenever MatPat talks about Disney Classics I just think about how outdated the technology in my family was. I was born in 2005 and I watched all of the Disney Classics by using a VHS tape. By then DVD’s were a thing, and whenever my friends wanted to watch a Disney movie they would just stare at the VHS I would pull out. So many of my friends didn’t know what a VHS was. I now feel so much older than I probably should. 😂
Cinderella's slipper fell off beacause it was beginning to transform back. The slipper didn't fit anyone else as the fairy god mother made the slipper change size to ensure it wouldn't fit any other maiden. The reason she couldn't allow cinderella extended time at the ball, is she isn't that powerful. The fairy god mother could have seen cinderella leave the ball under such circumstances and she could have focus the magic on all the other items into the slipper.
I don't know what happens in the original story, but I remember a version (probably an animated, non-Disney version) where the boys go under a waterfall to get transformed into donkeys. Eventually, the Coachman himself drinks from that water, and he is transformed into Monstro. I think this is a very clever thing to do. It gives the Coachman some comeuppance, it makes Montro more plot relevant for later down the line, and it even teaches a valuable lesson: what can happen if you're not careful with dangerous substances.
It’s basically saying to stay away from strangers cos they can,you know,kill you, but in 2018 we’re getting into random people’s cars assuming they can be trusted.
I think he used it as much as he wanted, considering human trafficking, even in a fictional world, likely isn't considered "wholesome family-friendly content" and was thus already demonetized.
I do the same thing but also with video games. “Wait, why am I murdering ex-pesticide employees, reaper-themed robots, and asylum patients than can tear a hole through space and time using weapons I scavenge from conveniently placed crates scattered all around a small island that is slowly being engulfed in an orange field, all allegedly on live television?” The game is Apex Legends here.
Even by fairy tale standards, the original source material for Pinocchio is horrifically grim. Jiminy Cricket doesn't get to sing one note before Pinocchio smashes him dead with a hammer; and in the serialized version of the story, Pinocchio is HANGED at the end! Throw in some kidnapping and child slavery and oh yeah: we've got a children's story for the ages!
Aaah, that's nothing! We had so many stories back in the day, witch a boy whose thumbs were cut off by an evil man because he kept sucking them or a boy that starved to death because he was too picky and wouldn't eat his soup, or a girl who burnt herself to death because she played with matches. These "scary" stories are meant to teach children to behave well and listen to their parents, otherwise bad things'll happen. Kids nowadays are just too soft and pampered with all that pg-13 stuff. It's not about violence and showing/not showing it, it's about the lessons and morals that can be learnt from them.
Windmelodie No seriously, those stories don't teach anything. They are causing fear, but fear should not be the motivation to behave properly. I know the stories you are talking about (in my Struwwelpeter book there were several stories, probably you have it, too?) and it didn't cause anything but being afraid and uncomfortable. Especially Max and Moritz, who turn into chicken food in the end, which is just horrifying.
Yeah, I had that book as a kid as well. I also had a book with many of Grimm's fairytales (the real ones, not the disneyfied ones with all happy ends) and to me, it helped. As a kid, those stories helped me understand that my parents knew best and that I should listen to them and behave. Even nowadays, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't whore myself around, I don't smoke and I don't disrespect my elders. Sure, the stories were sometimes scary, but then my mother would assure me that those were just stories...but that bad things COULD really happen if I didn't listen and misbehaved. My parents were authoritarian, but not conservative, so I was given a lot of freedom, but at the same time, if they said no, it meant no and I respected that. I never yelled at my parents or insulted them because that is how I was raised. Sometimes, things have to be scary in order to be understood. That's just real life and you won't help your children from hiding it from them.
Quick question If Pinocchio said my nose is going to grow right now *would it grow* Because if it grew then that means he's telling the truth and it should have never grown but if it didn't grow then he technically be telling a lie and then it should grow
You logicked badly: if pinochio says that your nose is going to grow, and it doesn't, *his* nose would grow but not yours. If he says that his *own* nose is going to grow... maybe... his nose gets jammed?
Still probably one of my favorite film theory episodes of all time. The fact that not only breaking down the feasibility of turning boys into donkeys for profit, but how pleasure island in some twisted and bizzare fashion actually could be able to run and repair itself even if the whole place is torn asunder.
Eh, definitely not the biggest crime compared to a literal child slavery ring but it's still a dick move. My question is this; how many of those orphans or child donkeys wished to be saved and were ignored? Why did the blue fairy decide a better use for her power was to answer an old man's late night wish about his doll being real? Why not actually do something meaningful?
Pinocchio is literally Gepetto’s son. He has to be Gepetto’s son. In the book, he becomes Gepetto’s son. Of course Gepetto isn’t gonna adopt another kid or anything. He has to have Pinocchio because that’s very important to the plot.
🦓I never watched the whole movie myself but dang this is dark! Even if Pinocchio went to the police no one would believe him until there's physical proof-🐎
Or worse, the Coachman would have bribed the police and they would have disposed of not only Pinocchio but also Gepetto. Well unless the Blue Fairy intervenes but then again....
I barely remember any of it, true, I was piss terrified of the Donkey's, so was my mom, So I think I've watched that movie at best twice, (6-8 years old, no internet or entertainment as we know it today, the 90's was tough, so I had to watch life scarring movies to pass the time...)
Fleur Griffin Well, here's one to start you off I guess but I think you'll find out they're really about something much scarier than that. Just uh, pace yourself.
read the original Grims tales that they ripped off, they are much older and a lot darker. Most of their sucessfull early works just stole classical fairy tail. for example Cinderella doesn't have the eye pecking magic birds and toe slicing off sisters of the original.
Pleasure Island Cost Consideration: What if he took over a previously abandoned Theme Park? Instead of starting from scratch, what if he just renovated what was already there?
Cinderella's slipper fell off beacause it was beginning to transform back. The slipper didn't fit anyone else as the fairy god mother made the slipper change size to ensure it wouldn't fit any other maiden. The reason she couldn't allow cinderella extended time at the ball, is she isn't that powerful. The fairy god mother could have seen cinderella leave the ball under such circumstances and she could have focus the magic on all the other items into the slipper.
I don’t understand why millennials are constantly making jokes and references about how they’re surprised that time is a thing and that they are aging. “Oh wow, I didn’t expect to not be the youngest generation anymore, wow” what the heck
To be fair he may have just purchased a preexisting park, and if he did build it one should consider how much cheaper build costs and labor costs were at the time. The initial investment would not have been nearly so severe.
Yeah but he woulda got caught bunch of missing boys running a park. But if theyre jackasses then no evidence and they wont talk. Perfect crime. Inspirational really
Yeah matpat had not considered hat was actually in the park compared to the Harry Potter land plus he is considering the price of making a park in our time it would have been cheaper counting inflation
Another thing to consider; the time it takes to repair the park. It's no quick task to rebuild and restock the island and you can't be bringing in boys while it's in shambles. However, who says they destroy it every trip? Might not be a common occurrence in the first place.
donkeys are probably worth more than 76$ because while you adjusted for inflation, donkeys are much less usefull nowdays than they were, so demand was higher, rising up the price
Thats true, but there were also more people breeding them. Plus, the kind of people that would actually buy a donkey nowadays are rich people who can afford to take care of animals with no gain. Those people are looking for pets, and so they are more likely to spend a lot of money.
And don’t trust EquineNow. They are all scams on there. The most I’ve paid for a donkey is 200 dollars. That’s the most I’d paid for a standard or miniature. Mammoth donkeys are the expensive ones!
a pair of wood chopsticks only worth about 0.05$, if Pinocchio produce a wood stick per 10sec, 360*0.05 = 18$. you have to hire a worker to cut the wood, minimum wage in the United States is 7.25$ per hour, so you get 10.25$ in per hour, per month you get 2580$ if you hire two workers, you may not be "rich", but still a great amount a money.
Angry Italian here confronting the Disney movie with the actual italian novel by Collodi. Real pleasure island was a "paese", a village. No theme park, only a village managed by anarchist kids without schools. The kids had fun playing in the streets thanks the absence of authority figures. The problem is that in the movie it took only one night to transform children in donkeys. In the novel it took FIVE MONTHS. Less expenses, slower profits.
Not very long compared to other novels. It's a children book by the way, very very very different from the disney movie that take Pinocchio from central Italy and put him in a vague german town.
I have another one... A reason how lucio's boop can kill everyone You saw how lucio's boop can boop roadhog a pretty good distance? And then he uses sound waves which means he pushes roadhog's weight about 2 meters with sound waves... Just how loud would that have to be... and wouldnt that just deafen everyone?
Have you taken into consideration that the coachman could be the devil, and when he kinda spawned into existence he came with a theme park where kids can trash mansions and drink to their hearts content, and then it probably resets after each group of children. Cause it all seems a bit too supernatural (like how the kids turned into donkeys) to be anything natural. This also explains why the coachman has weird anthropomorphic animals under his command, this could be his demon underlings or lesser demons. This also explains why the kids kinda turn into donkeys, as like in rick and morty the devil may run a business that works on getting something you want but in return getting something you don’t want (like blindness, death etc), so he’s like “ok kids you can do all this stupid stuff like drink and smoke and do stupid stuff, but in return I’m gonna turn you into stupid jackasses” This also leads me to believe he doesn’t want money as this is what the video is about, instead I think the devil/coachman does it cause it causes suffering, a bit like his own personal hell on earth turning boys into donkeys then selling them to guys to do gruelling and painful work in a mine until they inevitably die from exhaustion or mine collapses. Edit: also that face as 11:34 also makes me think he’s the devil
According to the book, no... He's just a seriously messed up dude. Or... Well, the author actually seems to view him as a good guy, but then again he was pretty fucked up a guy as well.
He could be, but the question MatPat is trying to answer is not "How much money the coachman got?" but "If someone did it IRL, how much money would he make?"
naor volkovich what turn kidnapped children into work mules using drugged beers and tobacco, kid which were lured and swindled your way by animals which can walk and talk. If someone did it in real life you say?
Drinking game. Take a shot every time he says boy/boi/boys/bois. NOTE: i am not responsible for any harm done to any person while participating in drinking. It’s happened before.
Whoa, don’t get yourself there.... You’l get killed waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early They named it “Treasure Island”....... it’s abandoned... now.. the new thing is named “Pleasure Island”
What if the story was mixed up and the kids were drunk and drugged which made them hallucinate and when it starts to wear off they were really playing in a junk yard?
@@MrSodie wait what if he rips the cloths off because he knows that if he sells the cloths the cops will think he’s suspicious for selling children cloths after a bunch of children disappeared
Solid theory. 10 outta 10 and my husband (who loves this movie) adores this one and uses this video to show to friends. I'd only argue one thing though: the Coachman may not need to fix up Pleasure Island. Considering we don't see him eat the food on the island, but the boys do, it's probable that Pleasure Island is fae-owned. We have a fairy in this movie, what's to say there's more fairies? My personal headcanon is that the Coachman made a deal with fae, so they get kids and have fun with stealing them or turning them into donkeys, and the Coachman gets a ridiculous amount of money selling them. Makes this even more horrifying and I love it.
In the franco-prussian war there was a high utilitzation of mules in the battle field, what if a lot of the orphans ended up in the wars that killed theire perents. This adds a hole other level of twisted to this theory.
Oh, dang. You're right. It may not have been just the salt mines he was selling to. This guy would basically become Moriarty: creating wars to ensure both his supply of orphans and his demand for donkeys never stopped.
I wonder how many of those kids were eaten by their fathers who were still serving and had to eat their mules when rations ran low. There has to at least be a couple.
"But Mat", I hear myself say, "The supply may be huge, but what is the #1 rule of Economics?" "Supply *AND* Demand, he may have had the kids but who could possibly need that many donkeys?"
Thexevilxwulfy well considering they're going to be work mules chances are they're going to die after a few years of being overworked. So probably the same people who use them for all kinds of physical labor carrying coal and transporting any other kinds of large heavy loads of good.
If they survive the boat journey. Once out at sea anything could happen to the boat/the kids. The boats could sink in a storm or if some of the kids could still talk the crew could dispatch them from causing trouble.
I believe MatPat mentioned that they were being used in salt mines at least at one point in the video. But, as some are saying, they could have many other applications.
I have so what? well, it's presented as if he killed it, but dead characters never stay dead... and it's not a big deal anyway...not compared to what's on the news and on the internet...
jan harald dude.... If your above comment is anything to go by...you read the wrong book. Pinocchio is portrayed as cruel, almost to the point of absurdity. And no, jimminy cricket is straight up murdered, like...permanently, its meant to show how Pinocchio is killing his conscience so he can act as he pleases. And the book was written by a man who is quoted in saying he hates children and wanted to write a book warning them to stay in line, behave, and always do as they are told. And trust me, if you read the book, well.... That is what they do, the book has no happy endings, at all, like.... Its completely fucked.
I wonder if MatPat accounted for the amount of energy it would take to power Pleasure Island. It seems like this would have a huge impact on the overall "economic profit."
probably more than covered by clothes resale. Clothes were utterly expensive, until just recently. Seriously clothes were so expensive that they are probably the biggest factor to want to trigger the "Industrial Revolution" event.
He didn't take into account the cost of the boat and the service of it, the cost of moving the boys to be sold off like the cages they're kept in etc, and the cost of the land that the park was built on
The Coachman probably has his minions repair stuff at the island. He also probably didn’t pay Honest John and Gideon the whole bag, that was just meant to get their attention.
I hate to poke holes in this because I LOVE your content, but your estimation methods in this one seemed...off. From everything to the selling price of donkeys to the cost of repairs, you used 2018 approximations and dialed back inflation. However, this is fundamentally flawed. Donkeys would have been more plentiful (and more useful) at the time and as such most likely were worth a lot more or a lot less. In addition, Ferris wheels today are so cheap because of low cost of materials and inexpensive production, while in the early 1900s I'm sure they were less common. Just a friendly reminder than inflation is not the ONLY thing that creates price differences over decades and decades. Great video though!
I was thinking the same thing lol. He kept the relative prices of everything equal, which just doesn't make any sense. The overall result could be similar if he both over and undershot, but that's unlikely. I basically just took this as a crazy trip down wtf-lane and let the maths be.
That's a good point, but it's really hard to get good records on enough of the items to warrant doing that, so estimating based on current prices and inflation is the next best thing. I'm sure it's within an order of magnitude, regardless.
Also, he went with a RIDICULOUSLY high price for the park (and yes, I know he acknowledged this as the high-end, but even so, it's insanely high-end. We're talking beyond any reasonable expenses someone would have invested in the project) A much more reasonable comparison would have been for him to contrast the prices of something like Palace Playland at Old Orchard Beach, or hell, even their more expensive neighbor Aquaboggan, given that Palace Playland has virtually everything Pleasure Island has, short of the mansion to trash. Even Clark's Trading Post, in New Hampshire, would be a vastly saner comparison than the friggin' Diagon Alley.
The cost of gold would have been different also that bag of gold isn't a clump of cold there would be air in there. Love the content but knowing what MatPat has done before to get precise measurements this seems a little disappointing... you can't compare current examples to what things were a hundred years ago, this is the fundamental flaw in this theory. Definitely a super interesting theory though. I know MatPat is capable of doing way better!
The one thing MatPat doesn’t seem to mention, is that this isn’t necessarily just ONE boat full of children per night. From what I remember of the movie (correct me if I’m wrong) there are already children in the island when Pinocchio arrives. Also, as other people have mentioned, he used modern day pricing for things such as tobacco
Well if it wasn’t just one boat load then his estimates for damage were conservative and it made even more money. Since that would mean it would take more boatloads, not just one to do the damage he was assuming one boatload did. As an engineer, it would just mean he has a good factor of safety in his calculations. ;)
Let me tell you something: If the Disney version gave you nightmares, the original book version would’ve driven you to madness. Though it was pretty funny, too. For example, Gepetto first gets into a brawl at the beginning. And Pinoccio almost starves to death and then gets made fun of when he goes around town asking for food to the point where someone empties their bedpan onto his head. Oh, and the donkey boys? Yeah, he meets them again, and witnesses one of them dying from overexertion.
11:15 You said $5 000 000 for a small rollercoaster, but according to Wikipedia, The Mindbender, a triple loop roller coaster only cost about $6 000 000 to build. It’s just something that’s been bothering me since you brought it up, I liked the rest of the video though.
I would have assumed a cheapskate like the coachman would have bought the park off of someone else, it might even have been super cheap because of the subpar safety standards. i mean what's 5-10 boys when you literally have thousands of them.
MatPat's also overlooking the fact that if someone can cast Baleful Polymorph on the kids to turn them into donkeys, they can probably cast Mend to get the damned fairgrounds back into shape just as easily, if not moreso.
It is a good strategy but if he knew more about arcane secrets, he would use Gate or a Candle of Invocation to bind an efreeti and use its Wishes to create all the gold he could every want.
It would explain why he can talk and how he has experience being bullied in high school. In the third Shrek movies he states that he was used to swirlies and wedgies, two types of bulling acts done on humans more than animals. Then when Puss in Boots pushes it Donkey only states that some things are best not known. He could have been referencing that he used to be human and now is trapped in a donkey's body.
hesam rahmany Shrek borrows a lot from disney so it's not far fetched at all. I mean Cinderella, Sleeping beauty, and Snow White were all mentioned in the film.
Here's a list of things Pinocchio made me afraid of as a child: Foxes Whales Marionettes Lying Steamboats Smoking Drinking Amusement parks aaaaaaaand DONKEYS!
D. Laney Why..? ._. You would still be selling and making the same amount of donkeys, at around the same price, so unless yu started making MORE "donkeys" by kidnapping MORE kids. You wouldn't be making MORE money.
Nobody Important OP is pointing out the fact that the demand for donkeys would be higher, which would, in turn, raise the market price for the donkeys that the Coachman is selling.
Arbiters Kiss Well the 'darkest' Disney has ever really gotten is Gargoyles. That was, imo, thier BEST show. (Episodes are free on YT if you wanna see it)
There is one thing you aren't considering. What if the first boat was adult workers? They get paid upon completion except they get fed the stuff that makes donkeys instead. That would cut down on startup costs by quite a lot.
So in other words don’t trust strangers
Lightning 2099 YES
What if Pinocchio said my nose will grow what would happen?
Especially if they have a freakishly devil smile and have kids get drunk and smoke underage (oh yeah, and turn them into flipping donkeys)
Lightning 2099 Yup
Lightning 2099 Surprisingly, strangers only account for about .5% of all child kidnappings. The rest are family members or acquaintances. That’s why the whole “stranger danger” phrase is misleading. But hey, that’s just a fact.
To make things even worse: The bad guys getting away with it is actually the most realistic scenario.
Especially since they take steps to make sure no one finds out.
@@capncake8837 lets go over the people who know (who wernt bribed to make sure they wouldnt get caught).
-Pinocchio
-Jiminy Cricket
-Geppetto (Pinocchio prolly told him)
yeah, they got away.
@@MrMoron-qn5rx i mean who is gonna believe a boy about a age between 6 and 12, a talking cricket and an old man who looks retired and could drop dead at any moment (also why does Geppetto kinda look like Mario in the original movie)
@@jace3811 exactly my point. Pinocchio turned into a real boy at the end of the movies, so he is just a kid... who'd believe him? Jiminy cricket is a fucking cricket, no-one would even try responding to him in fear of looking crazy, and gepetto could be going senile. Oh, maybe the goldfish and cat, but they're a goldfish and cat... who'd believe them? They cant even speak!
@@MrMoron-qn5rx true, but let's be honest the worst part is there is no villain in Pinocchio who gets punished even a bit, sure you could say Monstro got a bit of a hit in the head but considering it's size that hit's damage is going away in a few days let along if it even hurt him at all
*_First, is it possible to crush a child's skull and now this... oh MatPat..._*_ I am still confused how you are not on the FBI watch list.._
he's gonna be the perfect father ;)
He is on the FBI watch list...
You have access to the FBI watch list to know he isn't on it?
But who says he isn't?
James Smith I heard from a friend that everybody on the FBI watch list have Eagle brands on their ass...
MAT PAT! PULL DOWN YOUR PANTS!
To make things worse, some of the kids like alexander, and lampwick were both calling out for their mother so basically not all of the children are even orphans😰
Yup Pinocchio is a very fucked up story
Orphans can still cry for their mothers if they don't know them, or maybe someone at the orphanege could have been nice and been called mother...
Or maybe the orphans remember their mother and wish she wasn't dead.
yeah that's so sad....
It's so dark
Here’s something interesting I noticed when rewatching the scene where the boys get to Pleasure Island: They aren’t the first to arrive. There are already a LOT of kids there.
Meaning that the Coachman is probably making a lot more than theorized in this video.
That's what I was thinking. I don't think there's only one single boat arriving to the island every night....
if coachman was erm "smart" he'd probably go around getting as many as he could to get to the island filling the island up entirely and when the park is destroyed from so many kids then he probably does his thing
What about time that it takes to rebuild island after each tour
@@KarrieDreammind5 A lot of the supposed costs in this video also likely don’t apply, as the Coachman has a bunch of shadow demon creatures under his command, so he probably has them repair the rides and maybe even make the food and cigars and whatnot.
I also doubt that he regularly pays people like Honest John to spread the word about the island, he probably just tells a few kids in each town and they tell their friends who tell their friends and so on.
@@capncake8837 Shadow demons? Does the book say that? Otherwise, Imma believe you're basing this off the horrible Disney CGI remake of Pinocchio.
Pinocchio: "am I a real boy?"
Blue fairy: well yes, but actually no
Omg Ave you people never seen this movie, like I'm 14 and I've seen most old movies like this, also what if that island was abandoned he would have made a looootttt more
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Obi-Wan Fairy: From a certain point of view.
Hey
Pinochio: "Why am I alive?"
Fairy: "Jeppeto wanted you to be a real boy"
Pinocchio: "Am I a real boy?"
Fairy: "No"
Pinoccchio:"_"
Fairy: but your a real something
Pinocchio: real what
Fair: a real disappointment
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Fairy: At least you're not a real doll
Lol
The " _ " was perfect.
In other words: so yes but no.
I love that MatPat makes a video about child slavery shortly after announcing he and Steph are having a child
This video is an excuse for when the police knocks on his for because of his "research"
Dark Pixel but hey its just a theory.
claire laws she's pregnant?? omg im so happy for them
Yoongi's Minty Hair Yep!! #dadpat is a real thing
He's already planning for the future.
And Pinocchio never tells a soul about the horrors he witnessed enabling it to continue for centuries to come.
and then he makes a theory and complains that Donkey from Shrek could be that donkey from pleasure island letting them get away with it blaming it on Donkey when Pinnocou didn't do it either
Maybe they were too traumatised
Plus who is gonna believe them. People behind these business can be too powerful and do something
@@savageratentertainment In fairness Matpat said in that theory that if the Pinocchio in Shrek is the Disney Pinocchio, he wouldn't have been to Pleasure Island yet.
@@scythe7187 .......touche lol
I suffer like that n I’m 30 now
Most Top 10 Most Evil Disney Villain lists never include the Coachman, when he's easily the most diabolical villain by far. Robbing children of their lives and very humanity to turn them into farm animals for slave labor. Note that his stage coach was also being pulled by donkeys, presumably the talking ones he couldn't sell. What makes him uniquely worse is that he gets away with everything in the end.
oh lord what a horrible addition. thanks for telling me
JPFDNPP31111ELE *Everyone* gets away with it.
OK maybe not Monstro who presumably had his brains bashed in from crashing into the cliff.
David W.
Is Monstro truly a villain? He’s just a hungry animal.
So instead of looking at this literally, figuratively might also give us some answers. Okay, so to the basics. All of the children taken are boys. They are also street kids, or lower class kids. Let's say pleasure island isn't an actual island or theme park. But more of like what the old villainous men who buy the boys would call "pleasure island". Prehaps this is like a red light district for young boys. So the kids who were normal, are turned into donkeys by their over indulgence, which could also be seen as over indulging in drugs and sex. And the creepy guys who who pick up the kids, look like pimps and they groom the kids and sell them off to higher paying pimps. Sadly, I wish this was only about child labor, but there are pimps, old rich men, drugs, and the grooming and selling of children. Its fucking ridiculous that the rich men in power make movies about their perverted lives and we think their kids movies... fuck
Yeah, even maleficent willing to forgive the king and Queen if she actually invited to the event and the evil queen only target is snow white and she doesn't give a fuck about other people. Coachman pretty much doomed thousands of kids into life of misery.
people: why does matpat only make kid friendly theories?
matpat: lets talk about child slavery!
Ntro Scorpio I am a kid no a pupy
Ntro Scorpio true so true
Ntro Scorpio the game is coll
Ntro Scorpio and the size of Luigis d*%k.
Seems legit
what if the park was built already and abandoned for some reason, so they just took advantage of it being there.
Or he bought a foreclosured bankrupt amusement Park for cheap.
i think mat made a mistake when he said that a donkey is sold for 500-2000$ but the cost is about 500$ old times dollars for repairs, like I think a donkey back then wasn't 500-200$ but a lot less
@@canisterbottournament you don't know about inflation did you
@@faizalf119 no i do i just think he miscalculated the price of donkeys, he said that now it costs 500$-2000$ but that's nowadays money, back then probably it wasn't that much yk
@@canisterbottournament yes that's what inflation means. He gave us modern estimates converted from old price. For example $1 in 1920 will be $12 in 2019. Also at that time people still rely heavily on horse and donkey so the price actually maybe more expensive
MatPat's search history: "revenue from child trafficking"
FBI: *hmmmm*
FBI OPEN UP!!!
Rich elites: bro you want a job?
"revenue from child trafficking (but chill it's just for a theory)"
FBI: Understandable, have a nice day
150b a year
224k childen
Maybe the reason the fairy turned Pinocchio into a living puppet instead of a boy was because she KNEW he was gonna end up at the island and wanted to make sure he couldn’t turn into a donkey....
*BUT THATS JUST A THEORY! A FILM THEORY*
Good theory
But he was turning into a Donkey anyway, even had the ears and tail, only didn't fully transform because he left the island.
@@kato856 I was saying how could wooden living monster turn into fleshy donkey? Wood to flesh no not true impossible unless you dat fairy
It seemed possible since he clearly had those ears and tail and they didn't appear wooden.
Doctor Whooo? Lampwick transformed *way* quick and had no time to escape.
The worst part is not all those kids were orphans.
Lampwick, the one that changes in front of Pinocchio, screams for his mom during that scene and another kid after changing can still talk and says he wants to go home to his mom.
Implication their fathers may have died in one of the wars, but at least some of those kids did have homes to go to. God this movie is dark.
VauschthePuca I did have nightmares of that movie. Awful
+O L I V I A K O S K I V A A R A how about this he had to take journey and learn the values of honer friendship responsibility just. .just lime Emperor Kuskoe prince Navin Brother Bear and the Beast. tippical Disney formula
I am going to have nightmares now
Osmosis Jones hhkj
I watched the movie when I was little and luckily, it didn't give me nightmares (I think), but it didn't scare me a bit.
There were so many child victims here that Scott Cawthon himself showed up and told them to chill out
OMG 🤣🤣🤣
XD FACTS
bravo
Pfffttttttttt aight I'ma save that
🤣 YES
In the book Pinocchio runs into his friend from pleasure Island who's a donkey and they basically been worked to death
This movie drilled the whole "Stranger danger" on my head
Dark BloodYT me too
It was more about don't follow impulses. The characters just represented Pinocchios impulses to be a celebrity (without real talent), to take unearned vacations, and to act like adults (without accepting the responsibilities)
Someone needs to make a spin-off sequel where someone DOES stop the whole operation and serves the Coachmen justice
Simple-Commentator-not-really But that is not the purpose of the film. The message of Pleasure Island and the Coachmen is that if you make enough bad choices in life (like the rampant teenage hedonism that Pleasure Island represents), you can get yourself into a situation where there's no way out and no happy ending. You lose your humanity - literally! - and you become a slave to someone else forever. The reason why the Coachman gets away with it is because the donkey slavery is the epitome of a self-imposed hell-on-earth, and there is never a time in history when that is not possible. It's an ever-present danger that people can always fall into, so they always have to be wary they don't fall into it themselves.
Check out Jordan Peterson's take on the whole film, it's really amazing.
Ikr
Matt pat you are DEFINITELY on some kind of watch list
Yeah he’s on Disney’s watchlist
NSA, FBI bad CPS
@@erikt3162 Yeah Disney.
Definitely agree!!!
The real question is How MANY he’s on...
Therapist: "Thicc Pinocchio isn't real, it can't hurt you."
Thicc Pinocchio:
Chase Mishio he so thicc, he can make his cakes clap just by walking down the street
Chase Mishio No it’s fine he just smuggling a watermelon
Chase Mishio no, he’s caring a whole bakery back there because he got them CAKES
0:24 WHY
😂😂
Whenever MatPat talks about Disney Classics I just think about how outdated the technology in my family was. I was born in 2005 and I watched all of the Disney Classics by using a VHS tape. By then DVD’s were a thing, and whenever my friends wanted to watch a Disney movie they would just stare at the VHS I would pull out. So many of my friends didn’t know what a VHS was. I now feel so much older than I probably should. 😂
I watched VHS tapes for much of the time that I was in elementary and before. And I’m Gen Z.
I did too. Watched a ton of Disney movies on VHS, with my uncle and aunt. Gen Z here.
"I wish my puppet was a REAL BOI"
"am I a REAL BOI"
"no"
I love that matpat makes theory’s like this funny and educational
It would be awesome to have him as a teacher.
Cinderella's slipper fell off beacause it was beginning to transform back.
The slipper didn't fit anyone else as the fairy god mother made the slipper change size to ensure it wouldn't fit any other maiden.
The reason she couldn't allow cinderella extended time at the ball, is she isn't that powerful. The fairy god mother could have seen cinderella leave the ball under such circumstances and she could have focus the magic on all the other items into the slipper.
Creative Cloud that actually seems like it would make a great film theory episode 👍
Learn how to structure a sentence
little animations the fact that this is right, scares me
the phrase "a boat load of young boys to PLEASURE ISLAND" does NOT sound good...... O_O
Well it's not good in context either.
absolutely not lol
TheDaringPastry1313 young me would of thought "pleasure island? So it has unlimited ice cream right?"
Very true
Ik this movie would not go over well today
Pinocchio: “Am I a real boy??”
The fairy: “no Pinocchio ❤️”
To this day as an adult, I'm still terrified of the Donkey scene.
As a kid, if I did anything wrong I was afraid I would turn into one.
Blue fairy: “He wished for a real boy!”
Pinocchio: “Am I a real boy?”
Blue Fairy: *”no❤️”*
Literally the ceo Of “no❤️”
GET REKT *kicks him into a river*
@@m83562 okayyyy things just got dark :/
@@chitras3661 ikr it's supposed to
He had to earn it, Pinocchio wasn't ready to be a real boy, but Pinocchio earned it at the end.
@@chitras3661 not dark it just feels cringey
I don't know what happens in the original story, but I remember a version (probably an animated, non-Disney version) where the boys go under a waterfall to get transformed into donkeys. Eventually, the Coachman himself drinks from that water, and he is transformed into Monstro.
I think this is a very clever thing to do. It gives the Coachman some comeuppance, it makes Montro more plot relevant for later down the line, and it even teaches a valuable lesson: what can happen if you're not careful with dangerous substances.
I think that was a live action one.
@@amoghmanuachar7015 Could be.
Parents:Dont trust strangers kids
2018 Citizens: Uber
*how are we still here?*
I don't get it
Also, lyft, cabs, buses, etc..
So true
It’s basically saying to stay away from strangers cos they can,you know,kill you, but in 2018 we’re getting into random people’s cars assuming they can be trusted.
Matpat's hobby of talking about dead children has escalated into something more... Sinister... talking about their assets.
Lazy Ninja not dead I sell them too him
I think the FBI is now probably watching him
MatPat can be kinda weird but we all love him for that, don't we?
Damn what's gonna happen with his kid
Assets and asses, even if they are just puppet asses
I think MatPat enjoyed this script more than most since he got to say "ass" a bunch of times and not get demonetized for it
Satan's Little Doll nope he got Demonetized
I think he used it as much as he wanted, considering human trafficking, even in a fictional world, likely isn't considered "wholesome family-friendly content" and was thus already demonetized.
Well, I didn't see any ads on the video, soooo....
Pinocchio: Oh- yeah my nose grows every time I tell the truth-
Everyone else: Oh- ok.
My family: * enjoying the movie *
Me:
lmao same
Why is this me tho? 😂
I do the same thing but also with video games.
“Wait, why am I murdering ex-pesticide employees, reaper-themed robots, and asylum patients than can tear a hole through space and time using weapons I scavenge from conveniently placed crates scattered all around a small island that is slowly being engulfed in an orange field, all allegedly on live television?”
The game is Apex Legends here.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Even by fairy tale standards, the original source material for Pinocchio is horrifically grim. Jiminy Cricket doesn't get to sing one note before Pinocchio smashes him dead with a hammer; and in the serialized version of the story, Pinocchio is HANGED at the end! Throw in some kidnapping and child slavery and oh yeah: we've got a children's story for the ages!
Loki Kitsune seriously original creator of this story see a thrapist or something what the fuck man!
Well the guy who write Pinocchio was drunk as fuck so that's a thing
Aaah, that's nothing! We had so many stories back in the day, witch a boy whose thumbs were cut off by an evil man because he kept sucking them or a boy that starved to death because he was too picky and wouldn't eat his soup, or a girl who burnt herself to death because she played with matches. These "scary" stories are meant to teach children to behave well and listen to their parents, otherwise bad things'll happen. Kids nowadays are just too soft and pampered with all that pg-13 stuff. It's not about violence and showing/not showing it, it's about the lessons and morals that can be learnt from them.
Windmelodie No seriously, those stories don't teach anything. They are causing fear, but fear should not be the motivation to behave properly. I know the stories you are talking about (in my Struwwelpeter book there were several stories, probably you have it, too?) and it didn't cause anything but being afraid and uncomfortable. Especially Max and Moritz, who turn into chicken food in the end, which is just horrifying.
Yeah, I had that book as a kid as well. I also had a book with many of Grimm's fairytales (the real ones, not the disneyfied ones with all happy ends) and to me, it helped. As a kid, those stories helped me understand that my parents knew best and that I should listen to them and behave. Even nowadays, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't whore myself around, I don't smoke and I don't disrespect my elders. Sure, the stories were sometimes scary, but then my mother would assure me that those were just stories...but that bad things COULD really happen if I didn't listen and misbehaved. My parents were authoritarian, but not conservative, so I was given a lot of freedom, but at the same time, if they said no, it meant no and I respected that. I never yelled at my parents or insulted them because that is how I was raised. Sometimes, things have to be scary in order to be understood. That's just real life and you won't help your children from hiding it from them.
Quick question
If Pinocchio said my nose is going to grow right now *would it grow*
Because if it grew then that means he's telling the truth and it should have never grown but if it didn't grow then he technically be telling a lie and then it should grow
You logicked badly: if pinochio says that your nose is going to grow, and it doesn't, *his* nose would grow but not yours. If he says that his *own* nose is going to grow... maybe... his nose gets jammed?
jettae schroff they meant pinocchio saying “my nose is going to grow right now” pinocchio talking abt himself.
It’s neither true nor false, just like the statement, “I am telling a lie.”
What'cha said there is MIND BLOWING
Why did you look at your screen and said that logic was good
Still probably one of my favorite film theory episodes of all time. The fact that not only breaking down the feasibility of turning boys into donkeys for profit, but how pleasure island in some twisted and bizzare fashion actually could be able to run and repair itself even if the whole place is torn asunder.
If pinocchio says "My nose will now grow", he will cause a paradox.
Flyingpiggles10 them what would happen to his nose? Would it fall off or what? XD
it would just explode
His legs will shrink.
The second type.
Flyingpiggles10 WOAH 😵😧
The blue fairy appears, smacks Pinocchio upside the head for being a smart ass, and he loses the ability to speak for a day as punishment.
I think the biggest crime is Geppetto asking to make Pinocchio a real boy when there were all those orphans running around...
to be fair there were probably no orphans in his area seeing as most of the boys do go to school.
Eh, definitely not the biggest crime compared to a literal child slavery ring but it's still a dick move. My question is this; how many of those orphans or child donkeys wished to be saved and were ignored? Why did the blue fairy decide a better use for her power was to answer an old man's late night wish about his doll being real? Why not actually do something meaningful?
Pinocchio is literally Gepetto’s son. He has to be Gepetto’s son. In the book, he becomes Gepetto’s son. Of course Gepetto isn’t gonna adopt another kid or anything. He has to have Pinocchio because that’s very important to the plot.
"Or are there animals that actually walk like living creatures." Yes.
Yes! That's why you have furries like us!
How does an animal walk like a dead creature-
@@jerntkgwuiwfbeiwbqujlbvnmn8526
:O
Crocodiles Walk like humans
@@matilde_5 yeah how does one do that ? I mean how does an animal walk like a living cretures thats
Just dumb
🦓I never watched the whole movie myself but dang this is dark! Even if Pinocchio went to the police no one would believe him until there's physical proof-🐎
Or worse, the Coachman would have bribed the police and they would have disposed of not only Pinocchio but also Gepetto. Well unless the Blue Fairy intervenes but then again....
Dang... Makes the movie even more terrifying.
I barely remember any of it, true, I was piss terrified of the Donkey's, so was my mom,
So I think I've watched that movie at best twice, (6-8 years old, no internet or entertainment as we know it today, the 90's was tough, so I had to watch life scarring movies to pass the time...)
Yes
god dam your right
Blue Fairy: I’ve given you life because tonight Geppetto wished for a real boy.
Pinocchio: Am I a real boy?
Blue Fairy: *No Pinocchio*
Pinocchio: 👁️👄👁️
@@azelfdaboi5265 LoL
In The Future:
Daddy, why do we only watch Disney?
I will NOT stop until I prove every Disney movie is actually about murder.
Fleur Griffin Well, here's one to start you off I guess but I think you'll find out they're really about something much scarier than that. Just uh, pace yourself.
read the original Grims tales that they ripped off, they are much older and a lot darker. Most of their sucessfull early works just stole classical fairy tail. for example Cinderella doesn't have the eye pecking magic birds and toe slicing off sisters of the original.
That's not that far in the future, MatPat shaving a kidpat
Pleasure Island Cost Consideration: What if he took over a previously abandoned Theme Park? Instead of starting from scratch, what if he just renovated what was already there?
I was thinking that as well--
I’ve never heard someone say “Jackass” so much in one vid
Hi I am X, and this is jackass.
Same
really?? ever watch an achievement hunter video?
Cinderella's slipper fell off beacause it was beginning to transform back.
The slipper didn't fit anyone else as the fairy god mother made the slipper change size to ensure it wouldn't fit any other maiden.
The reason she couldn't allow cinderella extended time at the ball, is she isn't that powerful. The fairy god mother could have seen cinderella leave the ball under such circumstances and she could have focus the magic on all the other items into the slipper.
I think he enjoyed being able to say it lol
I actually loved Pinocchio until the whole... you know... The slavery
You didn’t mind the whale bit?
@@jostewart3192 Half and half. Nothing just beats the donkeys.
The fact he said that tangled was a Disney classic to kids now is unsettling.
As a kid, Recent personally goes Back to toy story 2.
I saw Cinderella
I don’t understand why millennials are constantly making jokes and references about how they’re surprised that time is a thing and that they are aging.
“Oh wow, I didn’t expect to not be the youngest generation anymore, wow” what the heck
IKR
I’m gen z but I have seen all of them except for Dumbo and Pinnocio lol and then some but for the most part I have seen tons of movies.
4:36 wow, guess my school bullies are actualy worth something.
Lol
Apparently my school is pleasure island. Huh that explains a lot ( if you didn’t get the joke Pay attention to what the dialogue states at 3:42 )
Courtney Riley lol
What
Lmfao
How so?
How so?
To be fair he may have just purchased a preexisting park, and if he did build it one should consider how much cheaper build costs and labor costs were at the time. The initial investment would not have been nearly so severe.
Or he already owned and ran a park and just converted it
One other thing Matpat did not consider is the opportunity cost compared to just running a regular amusement part staffed with orphans
Yeah but he woulda got caught bunch of missing boys running a park. But if theyre jackasses then no evidence and they wont talk. Perfect crime. Inspirational really
Yeah matpat had not considered hat was actually in the park compared to the Harry Potter land plus he is considering the price of making a park in our time it would have been cheaper counting inflation
Another thing to consider; the time it takes to repair the park. It's no quick task to rebuild and restock the island and you can't be bringing in boys while it's in shambles. However, who says they destroy it every trip? Might not be a common occurrence in the first place.
donkeys are probably worth more than 76$ because while you adjusted for inflation, donkeys are much less usefull nowdays than they were, so demand was higher, rising up the price
Barnesrino Kripperino definitely
But then would supply and demand knock it down too?
Thats true, but there were also more people breeding them. Plus, the kind of people that would actually buy a donkey nowadays are rich people who can afford to take care of animals with no gain. Those people are looking for pets, and so they are more likely to spend a lot of money.
And don’t trust EquineNow. They are all scams on there. The most I’ve paid for a donkey is 200 dollars. That’s the most I’d paid for a standard or miniature. Mammoth donkeys are the expensive ones!
But, donkeys with the intelligence and language comprehension of a human boy? Comeon, I'd pay a lot more for *that* donkey!
Mat
“Child and donkey sales are surprisingly high”
Me “wait how would he know child slavery sales are high
HOW WOUlD HE KNOW”
Child slavery sales are ALWAYS high.
With the amount of child endangerment and massacre theories you've been producing, I'm actually starting to fear for your upcoming child
PAPA DADSON OOOF
PAPA DADSON Yeah.... me too.
my business plane:
step 1: make Pinocchio lie
step 2: cut off his nose
step 3: sell wood
step 4: repeat till rich
*plan
MANU ROKZ 911 No. Plane.
I'm confident it will take off.
a pair of wood chopsticks only worth about 0.05$, if Pinocchio produce a wood stick per 10sec, 360*0.05 = 18$. you have to hire a worker to cut the wood, minimum wage in the United States is 7.25$ per hour, so you get 10.25$ in per hour, per month you get 2580$ if you hire two workers, you may not be "rich", but still a great amount a money.
How much are business class nowdays?
O-hahahaha! That crosses the line twice!
That one 9yr old who’s mom saw the intro and made them unsubscribe-
“You just had to do it.didn’t ya.”
Even tho this was made 4 years ago, it’s still really good! It just shows how he has almost always made quality content
“What kind of children could bend a carousel?”
You underestimate my powa
Angry Italian here confronting the Disney movie with the actual italian novel by Collodi.
Real pleasure island was a "paese", a village. No theme park, only a village managed by anarchist kids without schools. The kids had fun playing in the streets thanks the absence of authority figures.
The problem is that in the movie it took only one night to transform children in donkeys. In the novel it took FIVE MONTHS.
Less expenses, slower profits.
Do you realize how much that would have affected the time placement in the story? I read pinocchio, and it was a very long book.
Well, it is film theory, so he's focused on what we're seeing in the film. But that would be interesting to look at the book too!
This is interesting! :) I really need to pick up this story.
Not very long compared to other novels. It's a children book by the way, very very very different from the disney movie that take Pinocchio from central Italy and put him in a vague german town.
Hello other italian.
I'm not alone!
THEORY IDEA: How many balloons will it actually take to lift the house in “Up”?
like if you agree
OMG THAT IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA
Count the ones in the movie.
ACE112ACE112 how about, a real house?
I have another one...
A reason how lucio's boop can kill everyone
You saw how lucio's boop can boop roadhog a pretty good distance?
And then he uses sound waves which means he pushes roadhog's weight about 2 meters with sound waves...
Just how loud would that have to be... and wouldnt that just deafen everyone?
I think that’s already answered
0:42 this aged well
Have you taken into consideration that the coachman could be the devil, and when he kinda spawned into existence he came with a theme park where kids can trash mansions and drink to their hearts content, and then it probably resets after each group of children. Cause it all seems a bit too supernatural (like how the kids turned into donkeys) to be anything natural. This also explains why the coachman has weird anthropomorphic animals under his command, this could be his demon underlings or lesser demons. This also explains why the kids kinda turn into donkeys, as like in rick and morty the devil may run a business that works on getting something you want but in return getting something you don’t want (like blindness, death etc), so he’s like “ok kids you can do all this stupid stuff like drink and smoke and do stupid stuff, but in return I’m gonna turn you into stupid jackasses”
This also leads me to believe he doesn’t want money as this is what the video is about, instead I think the devil/coachman does it cause it causes suffering, a bit like his own personal hell on earth turning boys into donkeys then selling them to guys to do gruelling and painful work in a mine until they inevitably die from exhaustion or mine collapses.
Edit: also that face as 11:34 also makes me think he’s the devil
Wow that's quite in depth
a very articulately presented point, well done Stalin.
According to the book, no... He's just a seriously messed up dude. Or... Well, the author actually seems to view him as a good guy, but then again he was pretty fucked up a guy as well.
He could be, but the question MatPat is trying to answer is not "How much money the coachman got?" but "If someone did it IRL, how much money would he make?"
naor volkovich what turn kidnapped children into work mules using drugged beers and tobacco, kid which were lured and swindled your way by animals which can walk and talk. If someone did it in real life you say?
Next week on my strange addiction,
Matthew Patrick is addicted to ruining children's childhoods
Yes yes he is
😂
How can you ruin a CHILD'S childhood? It's not even done yet.
Elmerturnipseed fair point
Pinocchio is probably the reason that I have a fear of whales...
No, really. I have a terrible fear of whales. I live on the coast. Pls send help
LottiePop SAME.
LottiePop press f to pay respect
LottiePop i feel you
Tem flake Cupcake F
What country
I live on the coast of England (I mean it’s not really hard to do since it is an island)
MatPat is really just that kid who put the most into his PowerPoints and just never stopped 😂
What if Pleasure Island is Disney Land
also the spoiled brat with ginger hair on Pleasure island turns into the Donkey from DreamWorks's Shrek
Angharad Wilson there is a triple 6 in both his first name & last 🤷♂️
Lampwick?
But that's just a theory a film theory
@@triggered8976 it's now a theory, a film theory
Angharad Wilson omg u have predicted his futures video
Drinking game. Take a shot every time he says boy/boi/boys/bois.
NOTE: i am not responsible for any harm done to any person while participating in drinking. It’s happened before.
The Game addict welp my liver just took a vacation to deathville
(drinks water)
I have alcohol poisoning now and currently getting my stomach pumped
He only says it 18 times
18 shots will fuck you up easy, no less 10, for me 5
Why is no one talking about the name “Pleasure Island”. Disney think they slick
Deathbatman 6615 what I’m ten yer ol
Oh my god!🤣🤣🤣
Peanut Butter gamer jeffrey epsteins pleasure island
Whoa, don’t get yourself there....
You’l get killed waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early
They named it “Treasure Island”....... it’s abandoned... now.. the new thing is named “Pleasure Island”
@@TreckStrend u really felt compelled to tell a ten year old about epstein?
when you realise that Pinocchio is an endless wood supply.
Fairy: "I've Brought You To Life Because Tonight, Geppetto Wished For A Real Boy!"
Pinocchio: "Am I A Real Boy!? :D"
Fairy: *"No, Pinocchio! :D"*
I wonder why they didn't just have him wish that Pinocchio was ALIVE rather than real?
I can't think of a good name well his is have a live
What if the story was mixed up and the kids were drunk and drugged which made them hallucinate and when it starts to wear off they were really playing in a junk yard?
maybe...
Thats a theory
Jinxanator66 a film theory
Thanks for watching
But it shows it before they were drugged so i don't know....
You didn’t even mention the fact that their probably selling the children’s cloths
No because they rip their clothes off, you can’t sell ripped up clothing
@@MrSodie wait what if he rips the cloths off because he knows that if he sells the cloths the cops will think he’s suspicious for selling children cloths after a bunch of children disappeared
It is called Pleasure Island...
@@VioletVerbosity the cops back then wouldn't care even if they did find out plus they were dealing with nances
@@piffny6666 do you wash your mind?
Solid theory. 10 outta 10 and my husband (who loves this movie) adores this one and uses this video to show to friends.
I'd only argue one thing though: the Coachman may not need to fix up Pleasure Island. Considering we don't see him eat the food on the island, but the boys do, it's probable that Pleasure Island is fae-owned. We have a fairy in this movie, what's to say there's more fairies? My personal headcanon is that the Coachman made a deal with fae, so they get kids and have fun with stealing them or turning them into donkeys, and the Coachman gets a ridiculous amount of money selling them. Makes this even more horrifying and I love it.
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I feel uncomfortable when I hear the words “little boys” and “Pleasure Island” in the same sentence
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Who needs youtube Red when matpat talks about child murder and enslavement regularly
So true
Destroying childhood since 2013
300k mules would surely tank the costs and profitability of the business
As the theories get weirder the videos get better
J2S lol ikr
This is true
J2S AGREED
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In the franco-prussian war there was a high utilitzation of mules in the battle field, what if a lot of the orphans ended up in the wars that killed theire perents. This adds a hole other level of twisted to this theory.
Oh, dang. You're right. It may not have been just the salt mines he was selling to. This guy would basically become Moriarty: creating wars to ensure both his supply of orphans and his demand for donkeys never stopped.
I wonder how many of those kids were eaten by their fathers who were still serving and had to eat their mules when rations ran low. There has to at least be a couple.
Shut up. Just shut up. Stop ruining my childhood, jackass * GET IT GET IT AHAHHAHAHA*
"But Mat", I hear myself say, "The supply may be huge, but what is the #1 rule of Economics?" "Supply *AND* Demand, he may have had the kids but who could possibly need that many donkeys?"
Thexevilxwulfy well considering they're going to be work mules chances are they're going to die after a few years of being overworked. So probably the same people who use them for all kinds of physical labor carrying coal and transporting any other kinds of large heavy loads of good.
If they survive the boat journey. Once out at sea anything could happen to the boat/the kids. The boats could sink in a storm or if some of the kids could still talk the crew could dispatch them from causing trouble.
They were being sent into coal mines?
You can butcher and eat them and brand it off as donkey meat.
I believe MatPat mentioned that they were being used in salt mines at least at one point in the video. But, as some are saying, they could have many other applications.
Matpat:but thats a theory for another day
Me: it's been 6 year and nothing
you know why pinoccio is brutal?
BECAUSE THEY WERE HONEST FOR ONCE; AND DIDN'T CHANGE THE STORY COMPLETELY
jan harald heheheh, you havent read the source have you? Trust me, the movie is far gentler, by a ridiculous margin.
jan harald Dude. Pinocchio kills the cricket.
I have
so what?
well, it's presented as if he killed it, but dead characters never stay dead...
and it's not a big deal anyway...not compared to what's on the news and on the internet...
tbh, I haven't seen the movie, but have read a translated book
jan harald dude.... If your above comment is anything to go by...you read the wrong book. Pinocchio is portrayed as cruel, almost to the point of absurdity. And no, jimminy cricket is straight up murdered, like...permanently, its meant to show how Pinocchio is killing his conscience so he can act as he pleases. And the book was written by a man who is quoted in saying he hates children and wanted to write a book warning them to stay in line, behave, and always do as they are told. And trust me, if you read the book, well.... That is what they do, the book has no happy endings, at all, like.... Its completely fucked.
i realized that this evil man in pinocchio is the only disney villain that acually have won!
dark Nada true
The lions in Lion King also won the right in the end to continue their apartheid regime keeping the undesirable races out.
Carewolf The lions are good
That is just what the lion propaganda wants you to believe ;)
Carewolf fcking liberal. I bet you were brainwashed by a school system that teaches that Scar is a modern day revolutionary hero of the minorities.
I wonder if MatPat accounted for the amount of energy it would take to power Pleasure Island. It seems like this would have a huge impact on the overall "economic profit."
probably more than covered by clothes resale. Clothes were utterly expensive, until just recently.
Seriously clothes were so expensive that they are probably the biggest factor to want to trigger the "Industrial Revolution" event.
paulscott88 Really? Interesting. Got any sources for this?
Welp! There goes climate change and global warming!
He didn't take into account the cost of the boat and the service of it, the cost of moving the boys to be sold off like the cages they're kept in etc, and the cost of the land that the park was built on
Provided he paid for the land.
The Coachman probably has his minions repair stuff at the island. He also probably didn’t pay Honest John and Gideon the whole bag, that was just meant to get their attention.
I hate to poke holes in this because I LOVE your content, but your estimation methods in this one seemed...off.
From everything to the selling price of donkeys to the cost of repairs, you used 2018 approximations and dialed back inflation. However, this is fundamentally flawed. Donkeys would have been more plentiful (and more useful) at the time and as such most likely were worth a lot more or a lot less. In addition, Ferris wheels today are so cheap because of low cost of materials and inexpensive production, while in the early 1900s I'm sure they were less common.
Just a friendly reminder than inflation is not the ONLY thing that creates price differences over decades and decades.
Great video though!
Oh yeah you're right! I didn't think of that.
I was thinking the same thing lol. He kept the relative prices of everything equal, which just doesn't make any sense. The overall result could be similar if he both over and undershot, but that's unlikely.
I basically just took this as a crazy trip down wtf-lane and let the maths be.
That's a good point, but it's really hard to get good records on enough of the items to warrant doing that, so estimating based on current prices and inflation is the next best thing. I'm sure it's within an order of magnitude, regardless.
Also, he went with a RIDICULOUSLY high price for the park (and yes, I know he acknowledged this as the high-end, but even so, it's insanely high-end. We're talking beyond any reasonable expenses someone would have invested in the project) A much more reasonable comparison would have been for him to contrast the prices of something like Palace Playland at Old Orchard Beach, or hell, even their more expensive neighbor Aquaboggan, given that Palace Playland has virtually everything Pleasure Island has, short of the mansion to trash.
Even Clark's Trading Post, in New Hampshire, would be a vastly saner comparison than the friggin' Diagon Alley.
The cost of gold would have been different also that bag of gold isn't a clump of cold there would be air in there. Love the content but knowing what MatPat has done before to get precise measurements this seems a little disappointing... you can't compare current examples to what things were a hundred years ago, this is the fundamental flaw in this theory. Definitely a super interesting theory though. I know MatPat is capable of doing way better!
The one thing MatPat doesn’t seem to mention, is that this isn’t necessarily just ONE boat full of children per night.
From what I remember of the movie (correct me if I’m wrong) there are already children in the island when Pinocchio arrives.
Also, as other people have mentioned, he used modern day pricing for things such as tobacco
he did the conversions after adding everything up.
Well if it wasn’t just one boat load then his estimates for damage were conservative and it made even more money. Since that would mean it would take more boatloads, not just one to do the damage he was assuming one boatload did.
As an engineer, it would just mean he has a good factor of safety in his calculations. ;)
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But it means donkey
0:06 Or, assuming it is a solid piece of wood, his nose just becomes hollow on the inside with the inner diameter getting bigger as it gets longer
Let me tell you something:
If the Disney version gave you nightmares, the original book version would’ve driven you to madness. Though it was pretty funny, too.
For example, Gepetto first gets into a brawl at the beginning. And Pinoccio almost starves to death and then gets made fun of when he goes around town asking for food to the point where someone empties their bedpan onto his head.
Oh, and the donkey boys? Yeah, he meets them again, and witnesses one of them dying from overexertion.
And the donkey boy that died was his friend Lampwick (though he was called Candlewick in the book)
GOD. This IS dark… ):
When I was a kid the pleasure island thing scared the living nightmares into me
Same
Yeah, but now that I'm an adult... yeah, nothing's changed, really. :/
Pleasure island?
Cyber Jackalope exactly 😂
So I wasn't the only one. 😧
Disney, proving you can be anything you want to be. Including a successful human trafficker :D
*Fun for the whole family!*
11:15 You said $5 000 000 for a small rollercoaster, but according to Wikipedia, The Mindbender, a triple loop roller coaster only cost about $6 000 000 to build. It’s just something that’s been bothering me since you brought it up, I liked the rest of the video though.
I would have assumed a cheapskate like the coachman would have bought the park off of someone else, it might even have been super cheap because of the subpar safety standards.
i mean what's 5-10 boys when you literally have thousands of them.
MatPat's also overlooking the fact that if someone can cast Baleful Polymorph on the kids to turn them into donkeys, they can probably cast Mend to get the damned fairgrounds back into shape just as easily, if not moreso.
It is a good strategy but if he knew more about arcane secrets, he would use Gate or a Candle of Invocation to bind an efreeti and use its Wishes to create all the gold he could every want.
Good point.
Side thought: what if donkey from shrek was one of these kids all grown up but somehow kept the ability to talk..
...nah, Shrek is from Dreamworks and this Pinocchio is from Disney so
Woahh
It would explain why he can talk and how he has experience being bullied in high school. In the third Shrek movies he states that he was used to swirlies and wedgies, two types of bulling acts done on humans more than animals. Then when Puss in Boots pushes it Donkey only states that some things are best not known. He could have been referencing that he used to be human and now is trapped in a donkey's body.
Miguel Maestas isnt this from super Carlin brothers
hesam rahmany Shrek borrows a lot from disney so it's not far fetched at all. I mean Cinderella, Sleeping beauty, and Snow White were all mentioned in the film.
Here's a list of things Pinocchio made me afraid of as a child:
Foxes
Whales
Marionettes
Lying
Steamboats
Smoking
Drinking
Amusement parks
aaaaaaaand
DONKEYS!
Don't forget bearded italians.
Frog Lawyer ikr freaking DONKEYS!!!
GET OUT OF MA SWAMP
Frog Lawyer don't forget pool
you forgot disney
what the pleasure island guys SHOULD'VE done is find pinnochio lying and then get infinite firewood off of pinnochios nose
0:25 911 whats your emergency
Ranger 300 I read that as, 9 11 what’s your emergency?
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You forgot to factor in the fact that a lot of people owned farms back then, so donkeys would probably be even MORE profitable.
D. Laney Why..? ._. You would still be selling and making the same amount of donkeys, at around the same price, so unless yu started making MORE "donkeys" by kidnapping MORE kids. You wouldn't be making MORE money.
Nobody Important OP is pointing out the fact that the demand for donkeys would be higher, which would, in turn, raise the market price for the donkeys that the Coachman is selling.
If you take out all the dark stuff from Pinocchio you will be left with....... nothing.
Goes with most things in Disney period.
I want to see more overtly dark Disney myself. George RR Martin should write a film for them, after he finishes Winds of Winter of course.
Arbiters Kiss Well the 'darkest' Disney has ever really gotten is Gargoyles. That was, imo, thier BEST show. (Episodes are free on YT if you wanna see it)
There is one thing you aren't considering. What if the first boat was adult workers? They get paid upon completion except they get fed the stuff that makes donkeys instead. That would cut down on startup costs by quite a lot.