How you are deceived by a subtle translation trick with very big implications. Once you realize how you were duped at Hebrews 1:7, then you will immediately see how the Trinitarian claim at verse 1:10 completely disintegrates.
What’s interesting is I believe even most self identified Unitarians don’t have a clear understanding of Hebrews 1. For instance, many still believe the quote of Psalm 2 pertains to the virgin birth
Great, insightful video brother Kel. Trinitarian Academia have some explaining to do. Did those of the 3rd, 4th and 5th century not realise that one day, an Information Age will dawn upon this planet, when information which was hidden will be shouted from the rooftops. That even though they ruled that it was illegal by capital offence, for the common populace to have scriptures in their possession, to read and interpret. What were they thinking???
+ShaRene Walsh The "powers that be" didn't brother to think! They were power hungry . Not much has changed. I was called to the Pastor's office and told I could no longer attend classes if I continued to bring-up the Trinity. He further told me He would not ALLOW another theology in "His" church. My stability was also questioned. Really a low blow! I tell about many of my experiences and "others", also the loss of childhood friendships and a 50 year friendship because of my non-Trinitarian position. If you are interested in a "See Spot Run" down to earth, easy read and "telling it like it is", you might consider my book: The Tyranny of the Trinity, The Orthodox Cover-up.
@ 58:45 "God is not the speaker of the two Psalms quoted at Hebrews 1:6 and 1:7." Couple of comments: Hebrews 1:6 quotes an LXX version from Deuteronomy, NOT a Psalm. Who cares? Well I thought it might be encouraging to see I am checking! Secondly, I still feel more care is required in creating the dichotomy between legei and eipon. Firstly, these are NOT two verbs, but one verb, as I think Kel knows, see Strongs 3004, to say: Eipen in v5 is Aorist, Indicative, Active, 3rd Person, Singular. Legei in v6 and v7 is Present, Indicative, Active, 3rd Person, Singular eirēken in v13 is Perfect, Indicative, Active, 3rd Person, Singular Kel's argument I think should say something more like: by SWITCHING TENSE FROM AORIST TO PRESENT TO PERFECT the author also gives a clue to the directness with which God is speaking. The Aorist and the perfect tenses seem to allow God doing the direct talking, while the present tense can be God speaking through an intermediary (who can thus speak of God in the third tense). Secondly, please see what I think should be the key verse in this discussion from the same author, Hebrews 4:7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later HE SPOKE THROUGH DAVID, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” This is the distinction that needs to be made. That God is always seen as the One inspiring the writers of the Scriptures, which is why he is not placing too much thought into his use of legei, and Hebrews 4:7 is a wonderful glimpse of how God can be seen as a speaker through someone he has inspired. This therefore means that whatever David says of God will still be in the third person. I am still mainly with Kel on his argument but I try to draw this middle-road option here: faithandscripture.blogspot.fr/2016/02/explicit-statements-continued-hebrews-18.html Thanks again to Kel for such a thought-provoking video post.
+John B Whether he is quoting Deuteronomy or the Psalmist is a somewhat tenuous argument. For the intents and purposes of this video, it doesn't matter either way.
+The Trinity Delusion , I know, I'm not trying to criticise, it's just that I now think you raise a really good point in this video and wouldn't want your main points undermined by an apparent disregard for detail. Back to the main point: I think I have just found a useful bit of evidence in your favour, which helps us understand the two TENSES (not two verbs) involved (that is a more serious detail than Psalm/Deuteronomy LXX). Check out Matt 28:13: telling them, “You are to say". Those six words in English are two words in Greek: legontes Eipate. Please tell me what you think? Again, my apologies for the wasting time comment, it was a bit rude. I just felt frustrated or worried that because not quite all of the video was perfect (especially as I could not find any other examples quite like the legei you were arguing for within Hebrews) that I'd messed up in analysing it so much. Blessings.
This is just painful to listen to - the amount of words to say the simplest matter is unbelievable (it makes CS Lewis look like the master of brevity) and thus makes his argument seem phony.
He makes his PROPHETS winds/spirits, his PROPHETS flames of fire? v.7 Are the PROPHETS not all ministering winds? v.14 What kind of argument would this be? For to which of the PROPHETS did God ever say, "Sit at My right hand..." When God brings His firstborn into the oikoumene to come, it says, "Let all the PROPHETS of God worship him?" What kind of argument would this be? God did not subject to PROPHETS the world to come... but what is MAN that you are mindful of him? Jesus was made a little lower than the PROPHETS?
TheTrinityDelusion "5 For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come" - the prophets up until this point never spoke or prophesied of the world to come.
I have come across the following translations of Psalm 45:6/Hebrews 1:8; New International Reader's Version (1998) - Your throne is the very throne of God. Your kingdom will last for ever and ever. You will rule by treating everyone fairly. Revised Standard Version (1952,1971) - Your divine throne endures for ever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity; Good News Translation (1992) - The kingdom that God has given you will last forever and ever. You rule over your people with justice; The Message Bible (2002) - Your throne is God's throne, ever and always; The scepter of your royal rule measures right living. These translations seems to be a more accurate rendering of what the Psalmiist wants to say. To translate otherwise ends up with the situation as you have pointed out that, "God has a God who anoints God".....This is a ridiculous option!
In order for Jesus to fulfil his mission he had to hide his true identity or he could have never have been crucified, Isaiah 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
John 14:11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me…And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever, So the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son. The Son (with the Father in Him) is in us and the Spirit is also in us. So how many are in us? Three? One? We can humbly say that the Three-One is in us.
Christ said in chapter 17 that the Father is in US (we believers) in the same way that the Father is in him and vice versa. By your interpretation this makes us all members of the Godhead.
JESUS himself said before Abraham was , I am --- i AM is the title given to GOD yet jesus said i am are we calling Jesus a lair Jesus also said I am the light of the world yet the bible says GOD is light. If Jesus is just a man then he can't be GOD he can't be the light of the world, only GOD. Jesus himself calls himself the ALMIGHTY that is the title for GOD the bible says GOD is the ALMIGHTY
+Esteves Francisco A blind man identifies himself by saying "I AM" in the next chapter. Is he God too? Jesus said to his disciples, "YOU are the light of the world." Are they God too? And Jesus never called himself "the Almighty." Rather, his God is the Almighty.
Esteves Francisco Jesus is THE FOUNDATION LAID BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. HE is the Son who came in the flesh. 👉Simple. Jesus' God (Father) is our God (Father) through Jesus - the Son.
The biggest lie is when people say God name is I am!! He said tell them the God of your Father sent you but Moses didn't fully understand because he kept saying but who should I say and God said I'm am who I am!! And that means what he already told him that he is God that's who he is!! I am God!! Yall need to Wake up
In context Christ was answering the question "are you greater than Abraham" to which he responded "I am" but he added "before Abraham was I am (greater than Abraham). Because he was prophesied to come before Abraham was even born. Christ did not say "I am that I am." If he had called himself the Great God Almighty who spoke to Moses, then the author of Philippians would have been either lying or in grave error for he said that Christ "did not cling to equality with God" and he said "made himself of no reputation" and he said Christ "humbled himself as a servant." A servant doesn't declare himself "the Great God I Am," and neither does someone who "makes of himself no reputation" and neither does one who "empties himself" of divine status and who lets go of his "equality with God." Christ could NOT have been calling himself the Great God I Am without Philippians being utterly wrong.
@@TheTrinityDelusion I love your videos so much. They are very detailed and have explanatory power. You present your points with very clear facts that will make it difficult for any honest person to dismiss. Anyway on this matter and regarding Scott's question, I believe the Revised English Bible (REV) Captures your points very well. I too do not prefer any one translation but I believe the REV best translates Heb 1 in line with your argument and better than the others. The Epistle to the Hebrews Hebrews Chapter 1 1God, having spoken from old time to the fathersa through the prophets in many parts and in many ways,
2has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he has given form to the Ages,
3who is the reflection of his glory, and the exact representation of his nature, and is upholding all things by his powerful word. After he had accomplished the cleansing for sins, he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4having become as much better than the angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
5For to which of the angels did he say at any time, You are my Son; today I have become your Father?b And again, I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?c
6And when he again brings the firstborn into the inhabited world, he says, And let all the angels of God pay him homage.d
7And of the angels it says, who makes his angels as winds, and his ministers as a flaming fire,e
8but of the Son it says, Your throne is God forever and ever, and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.f
9You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness rather than your companions.g
10And, You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.
11They will perish, but you continue on, and they will all grow old as does a garment,
12and you will roll them up like a cloak, and they will be changed like a garment. But you are the same, and your years will not fail.h
13But to which of the angels has he said at any time, Sit on my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?i
14Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are about to inherit salvation?
Okay so in hebrews 1:10-12 where it quotes Psalm 102 you do not have the Son as the one who laid out the foundations of the earth? The original socinians thought it applied to the Son and removed it from their biblical canon. If I were a socinian I would throw it out as well. Why do you or why does any protestant keep the same New Testament as the Church? Pick out any new testament book that you view as divinely inspired. Why and on what grounds do you think that?
thats why we are lead by the spirit of god , and have discernments of spirits and words, because any one can add too , change , take away ,etc.... to the bible , false churches, false christ / false christians . etc.... and deceive many .... even kjv is not correct / been changed / added to . and twisted .and false christians ,sinners are deceived and mislead .into deception/ apostate/apostasy, worshipping the bible as god words , instead of following and obeying , the sound doctrine truth and be lead by the spirit of god , thats why satan can deceive many into a lie and to be damned .amen
Brother Kel Trinitarian's will never listen to the Lords Words because they listen to the viewpoints of their own past theologian's teachings of the doctrines and traditions of Men? They can't deviate from this because their positions and Churchmenship status depend on it and they will justify what they say (to their gullible sheep) in this terminology it's been proven throughout Church History and that's supposed to set the argument straight. But the irony is that Church History is the not Biblical History but the history of Pagan Rome or Christendom which is the head of Babylonian Mystery Religion.
Please explain genesis 1 : 26 kjv and GOD said let us make man in our image . Who is GOD talking to. Us is plural if GOD was talking to him self he would use singurly me please explain
This comment isn't about this video in particular but your videos as a whole: There is not one doctrine of the Trinity. In all versions of the Trinity the Father Son and Holy Spirit share the same nature or essence theos. But they count the one God differently. In western christianity the "one God" is often the Trinity itself Father Son and Holy Spirit together. Sometimes it is the divine essence. In Orthodox Christianity The Father is the one God ie the only uncaused cause. He causes the Son and Holy Spirit. Neither the Son nor Holy Spirit are the one uncaused cause. The Holy Trinity is not the uncaused cause. When you talk about a three person God that only applies to a subset of trinitarianism. It does not address Eastern Orthodox Trinitarianism. However when you argue that the Son doesn't intrinsically share in the divine nature or when you argue against preexistance it does. This video does touch on something Eastern Orthodox would disagree with.
Question the bible says GOD is the ALMIGHTY GOD then why in revelation 1 : 7 kjv Jesus himself calls him the ALMIGHTY and says I am the alpha and omega , the beginning and ending. And else Jesus also is call the first and last . Only GOD as that title
+Esteves Francisco Jesus isn't called the Almighty. That's your error. And according to your belief, the First and the Last is the Triune Being. But according to your belief, Jesus is not the Triune God. You have a big problem on your hands with this claim of yours before you even get started. Jesus is the Beginning of the new creation of God because he is the Firstborn out of the dead.
+Esteves Francisco You need to do a little research via the net regarding the purpose and origin of the Trinity doctrine. With information as close as your finger tips, it is no excuse to be ignorant. What you, personally, believe don't really matter, nor myself, but what God says about himself, and what Jesus Christ says about himself. Spend some time in the book of Isiah and count the times God references Himself! Does a three-in-one God really make sense to you, and can you find it clearly stated in the Scriptures?
Am showing u what the bible says I believe the bible over man. Is the bible our final authority or man . Let GOD be true and every man a lair, I will stick to my bible many out the deny the deity of Jesus Christ. And attack the GODHEAD .
You misunderstood what he was saying. He is not saying he is the father. He is saying he displays the actions of GOD. Jesus said he does nothing of himself. Notice he told his disciples I go to my GOD and your GOD, my father and your father. This is what it means to be the word of GOD. Uttering only what the Most High tells him to say. Also remember, my father is greater than I. One cant be greater than themself.
1. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God 2. Jesus Himself claimed to be the Son of God 3. Jesus comes from God /of God 4. Jesus Himself denied making himself God 5. Jesus was killed for claiming to be the Son of God 6. Jesus belongs to God 7. Jesus was given the title of a God on the throne 8. Jesus(the God) on the throne, has a God above Him 9. Jesus' God is His own God and Father 10. Jesus is obedient to His own God and Father 11. Jesus said His Father was greater than all 12. Jesus is identified as God's word in the Bible 13. The word of God is identified as coming out God's mouth 14. The word is identified as the fulfillment of God's will 15. The heavens and the earth were made through God's word 16. God spoke, and His word carried out His commandments 17. Jesus was sent to earth save us by His Father 18. Jesus came to earth in His Father's name 19. The Father gave Jesus His own name 20. Jesus' Father's name is YHWH 21. The Father issued a commandment for Jesus to raise Himself from the dead 22. Jesus has no will of His own on matters of divine direction 23. Jesus can of himself do nothing without His Father 24. No one has ever seen God 25. No one has ever heard God's voice 26. Jesus is fully dependent on His own God and Father 27. Everything that is, is due to the Father and Him alone 28. There is only one true God, and that Jesus' God and Father(YHWH) 29. YHWH saved us by means of His Son Christ Jesus 30. Jesus is the truth, of the Father 31. Jesus is the way, to the Father 32. Jesus is the life, of the Father 33. Jesus was at His Father's side in heaven prior-to the beginning spoken of in Genesis 34. All things that were made, were made through Jesus, and for Jesus 35. We must believe that Jesus is the Son of God in order to be saved 36. There is no other name in which we must be saved other than Jesus 37. We must publicly declare Jesus Lord and put faith in His resurrection to be saved 38. There is only one savior alone, and that is the Father 39. There is but one who is good, and that is the Father alone 40. The Father gives Jesus His sheep 41. The Father gave Jesus life 42. There is no other God beside YHWH 43. YHWH alone is God 44. There is no other God before and beside YHWH 45. Jesus is the image of the Father 46. Jesus though being the form of God, did not seek equality with Him 47. Jesus stood and spoke for His Father on earth 48. Jesus was given a name above all names by His Father 49. The angels worship Jesus as King in heaven 50. Jesus was given all authority over the heavens and the earth by His Father 51. Jesus will return all authority given to Him upon the fulfillment of His Fathers will heaven and on earth
U are the problem u don't believe the bible u will stand before GOD ALMIGHTY -- am sorry that many have fallen under your spell , u attack the bible and u don't even bible what us says even if I show u scripture u will stick not expect it . The bible says Jesus created all things if he is not GOD he can't be the Creator of all things Colossians 1 : 14 - 17 kjv John 1 : 1 - 3 job
+Esteves Francisco No, sorry but the Bible doesn't say Jesus is the Creator. You are just perpetuating common lies. ruclips.net/video/5SGzbjvLji8/видео.html
👩⚖Son...listen now. Threatening that he is going to stand before judgement is ridiculous. We all will have to; and Jesus is our Lord and Master to whom we will stand. Did you know that each one will stand or fall to his own master but Jesus CAN MAKE US TO STAND!?. We are putting on his yoke of learning; and he is gentle and humble at heart. Hopefully we are all learning and baring and remaining with his fruit's of His Spirit. My point is 👉with the measure you judge it will be pressed down and running over you. Let's put on the image of Christ and lift up! No one understand's all the thing's of God! But we are working to put on the Mind of Christ. Jesus is the FOUNDATION laid before the beginning of the world---but he is still the Son. His 👉God (Father) is our God (Father) through him - the Son!
U don't believe the bible 1 John 5: 7 kjv says for there are three that bear record in heaven , Father , the Word , and the HOLY Ghost: and these three are one . Who is the Word and in John 1 : 1 - 14 kjv I believe my bible .
+Esteves Francisco One testimony doesn't amount to one God does it? Do you believe the Spirit, the water and the blood are a Triune being too? Besides, it is common knowledge that this was not written by John but was inserted into the Scriptures. The proof is overwhelming.
How you are deceived by a subtle translation trick with very big implications. Once you realize how you were duped at Hebrews 1:7, then you will immediately see how the Trinitarian claim at verse 1:10 completely disintegrates.
What’s interesting is I believe even most self identified Unitarians don’t have a clear understanding of Hebrews 1. For instance, many still believe the quote of Psalm 2 pertains to the virgin birth
Hebrews 1:6 debunks them anyway it say about the son LET THE ANGELS OF GOD worship him as if they didnt before/..
@@StandOnScripture Absolutely! including all the other times in Hebrews where Jesus BECAME supreme over the angels
It’s amazing how what starts out unclear becomes clear, then becomes crystal clear, only to eventually become ridiculously crystal clear...thx Kel
Anyone who has ever been confronted with the first chapter of Hebrews will really appreciate this excellent explanation.
It's great you took our discussion on this subject from 6 years ago to a whole other level.
Not sure what you mean.
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME LESSON. THANK YOU TRUSTED SERVANT OF GOD🙏❤️🙏
Great, insightful video brother Kel. Trinitarian Academia have some explaining to do. Did those of the 3rd, 4th and 5th century not realise that one day, an Information Age will dawn upon this planet, when information which was hidden will be shouted from the rooftops. That even though they ruled that it was illegal by capital offence, for the common populace to have scriptures in their possession, to read and interpret. What were they thinking???
+ShaRene Walsh The "powers that be" didn't brother to think! They were power hungry . Not much has changed. I was called to the Pastor's office and told I could no longer attend classes if I continued to bring-up the Trinity. He further told me He would not ALLOW another theology in "His" church. My stability was also questioned. Really a low blow! I tell about many of my experiences and "others", also the loss of childhood friendships and a 50 year friendship because of my non-Trinitarian position. If you are interested in a "See Spot Run" down to earth, easy read and "telling it like it is", you might consider my book: The Tyranny of the Trinity, The Orthodox Cover-up.
You gave me the deepest explanation , thanks again 🙏🙏🙏👍
@ 58:45 "God is not the speaker of the two Psalms quoted at Hebrews 1:6 and 1:7." Couple of comments: Hebrews 1:6 quotes an LXX version from Deuteronomy, NOT a Psalm. Who cares? Well I thought it might be encouraging to see I am checking!
Secondly, I still feel more care is required in creating the dichotomy between legei and eipon. Firstly, these are NOT two verbs, but one verb, as I think Kel knows, see Strongs 3004, to say:
Eipen in v5 is Aorist, Indicative, Active, 3rd Person, Singular.
Legei in v6 and v7 is Present, Indicative, Active, 3rd Person, Singular
eirēken in v13 is Perfect, Indicative, Active, 3rd Person, Singular
Kel's argument I think should say something more like: by SWITCHING TENSE FROM AORIST TO PRESENT TO PERFECT the author also gives a clue to the directness with which God is speaking. The Aorist and the perfect tenses seem to allow God doing the direct talking, while the present tense can be God speaking through an intermediary (who can thus speak of God in the third tense).
Secondly, please see what I think should be the key verse in this discussion from the same author, Hebrews 4:7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later HE SPOKE THROUGH DAVID, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”
This is the distinction that needs to be made. That God is always seen as the One inspiring the writers of the Scriptures, which is why he is not placing too much thought into his use of legei, and Hebrews 4:7 is a wonderful glimpse of how God can be seen as a speaker through someone he has inspired. This therefore means that whatever David says of God will still be in the third person.
I am still mainly with Kel on his argument but I try to draw this middle-road option here:
faithandscripture.blogspot.fr/2016/02/explicit-statements-continued-hebrews-18.html
Thanks again to Kel for such a thought-provoking video post.
+John B Whether he is quoting Deuteronomy or the Psalmist is a somewhat tenuous argument. For the intents and purposes of this video, it doesn't matter either way.
+The Trinity Delusion , I know, I'm not trying to criticise, it's just that I now think you raise a really good point in this video and wouldn't want your main points undermined by an apparent disregard for detail. Back to the main point: I think I have just found a useful bit of evidence in your favour, which helps us understand the two TENSES (not two verbs) involved (that is a more serious detail than Psalm/Deuteronomy LXX).
Check out Matt 28:13: telling them, “You are to say". Those six words in English are two words in Greek: legontes Eipate. Please tell me what you think?
Again, my apologies for the wasting time comment, it was a bit rude. I just felt frustrated or worried that because not quite all of the video was perfect (especially as I could not find any other examples quite like the legei you were arguing for within Hebrews) that I'd messed up in analysing it so much. Blessings.
This is just painful to listen to - the amount of words to say the simplest matter is unbelievable (it makes CS Lewis look like the master of brevity) and thus makes his argument seem phony.
Good work brother !!
Hebrew emphasis:-
"Who makes his messengers wind & his prophets a flaming fire"
Saying the same thing two ways.
2 Kings 2:11.
He makes his PROPHETS winds/spirits, his PROPHETS flames of fire? v.7
Are the PROPHETS not all ministering winds? v.14
What kind of argument would this be?
For to which of the PROPHETS did God ever say, "Sit at My right hand..."
When God brings His firstborn into the oikoumene to come, it says, "Let all the PROPHETS of God worship him?"
What kind of argument would this be?
God did not subject to PROPHETS the world to come... but what is MAN that you are mindful of him?
Jesus was made a little lower than the PROPHETS?
TheTrinityDelusion "For to which of the PROPHETS did God ever say, "Sit at My right hand..." - correct not his prophets but spoken to his kings.
TheTrinityDelusion "5 For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come" - the prophets up until this point never spoke or prophesied of the world to come.
dunklaw Psalm 8:5 You make him a little less than elohim - JUDGES.
" Let all the PROPHETS of God worship him?" - Ephesians 4:11 - the prophets to follow.
Great work! God bless!
Can you do a video on John chapter 16?
I have come across the following translations of Psalm 45:6/Hebrews 1:8;
New International Reader's Version (1998) - Your throne is the very throne of God. Your kingdom will last for ever and ever. You will rule by treating everyone fairly.
Revised Standard Version (1952,1971) - Your divine throne endures for ever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
Good News Translation (1992) - The kingdom that God has given you will last forever and ever. You rule over your people with justice;
The Message Bible (2002) - Your throne is God's throne, ever and always; The scepter of your royal rule measures right living.
These translations seems to be a more accurate rendering of what the Psalmiist wants to say. To translate otherwise ends up with the situation as you have pointed out that, "God has a God who anoints God".....This is a ridiculous option!
Yes, at least these translations attempt to convey what is intended by the Psalmist.
explain the difference between unitarians and muslims
@@ezassegai4793Unitarians believe Jesus is God’s Son, Muslims believe Jesus is just a man.
great video--LEGIT
In order for Jesus to fulfil his mission he had to hide his true identity or he could have never have been crucified, Isaiah 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
So he was lying the whole time then.
Sounds legit
John 14:11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me…And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever,
So the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son. The Son (with the Father in Him) is in us and the Spirit is also in us. So how many are in us? Three? One? We can humbly say that the Three-One is in us.
Christ said in chapter 17 that the Father is in US (we believers) in the same way that the Father is in him and vice versa. By your interpretation this makes us all members of the Godhead.
Heb 1:7 'it says' (Gk. legei - third person singular) referring to the Psalm, not 'he says' (God) - most translations.
JESUS himself said before Abraham was , I am --- i AM is the title given to GOD yet jesus said i am are we calling Jesus a lair Jesus also said I am the light of the world yet the bible says GOD is light. If Jesus is just a man then he can't be GOD he can't be the light of the world, only GOD. Jesus himself calls himself the ALMIGHTY that is the title for GOD the bible says GOD is the ALMIGHTY
+Esteves Francisco A blind man identifies himself by saying "I AM" in the next chapter. Is he God too? Jesus said to his disciples, "YOU are the light of the world." Are they God too? And Jesus never called himself "the Almighty." Rather, his God is the Almighty.
Esteves Francisco Jesus is THE FOUNDATION LAID BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. HE is the Son who came in the flesh.
👉Simple.
Jesus' God (Father) is our God (Father) through Jesus - the Son.
The biggest lie is when people say God name is I am!! He said tell them the God of your Father sent you but Moses didn't fully understand because he kept saying but who should I say and God said I'm am who I am!! And that means what he already told him that he is God that's who he is!! I am God!! Yall need to Wake up
why dont you guys just bow the knee to allah? you guys sound just like muslims
In context Christ was answering the question "are you greater than Abraham" to which he responded "I am" but he added "before Abraham was I am (greater than Abraham). Because he was prophesied to come before Abraham was even born.
Christ did not say "I am that I am."
If he had called himself the Great God Almighty who spoke to Moses, then the author of Philippians would have been either lying or in grave error for he said that Christ "did not cling to equality with God" and he said "made himself of no reputation" and he said Christ "humbled himself as a servant."
A servant doesn't declare himself "the Great God I Am," and neither does someone who "makes of himself no reputation" and neither does one who "empties himself" of divine status and who lets go of his "equality with God."
Christ could NOT have been calling himself the Great God I Am without Philippians being utterly wrong.
What bible translation do you prefer?
None of them really. I don't rely on translations for study. Too much corruption.
@@TheTrinityDelusion I love your videos so much. They are very detailed and have explanatory power. You present your points with very clear facts that will make it difficult for any honest person to dismiss. Anyway on this matter and regarding Scott's question, I believe the Revised English Bible (REV) Captures your points very well. I too do not prefer any one translation but I believe the REV best translates Heb 1 in line with your argument and better than the others.
The Epistle to the Hebrews
Hebrews Chapter 1
1God, having spoken from old time to the fathersa through the prophets in many parts and in many ways,
2has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he has given form to the Ages,
3who is the reflection of his glory, and the exact representation of his nature, and is upholding all things by his powerful word.
After he had accomplished the cleansing for sins, he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4having become as much better than the angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
5For to which of the angels did he say at any time, You are my Son; today I have become your Father?b And again, I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?c
6And when he again brings the firstborn into the inhabited world, he says, And let all the angels of God pay him homage.d
7And of the angels it says, who makes his angels as winds, and his ministers as a flaming fire,e
8but of the Son it says, Your throne is God forever and ever, and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.f
9You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness rather than your companions.g
10And, You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.
11They will perish, but you continue on, and they will all grow old as does a garment,
12and you will roll them up like a cloak, and they will be changed like a garment. But you are the same, and your years will not fail.h
13But to which of the angels has he said at any time, Sit on my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?i
14Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are about to inherit salvation?
@@TheTrinityDelusion - What about the NASB
@@BBFaith-Channel - I pray that Yahweh through his holy spirit brings rise to biblical unitarianism and make it flourish till the day of resurrection
Thank you!
Can legei possibly also be used to say, the psalmist says, where he says refers to the psalmist or writer of the quoted original text?
Grammatically it can mean that.
Trinitarians are a bit like horses. You can lead them to water. . .
Okay so in hebrews 1:10-12 where it quotes Psalm 102 you do not have the Son as the one who laid out the foundations of the earth?
The original socinians thought it applied to the Son and removed it from their biblical canon. If I were a socinian I would throw it out as well. Why do you or why does any protestant keep the same New Testament as the Church? Pick out any new testament book that you view as divinely inspired. Why and on what grounds do you think that?
thats why we are lead by the spirit of god , and have discernments of spirits and words, because any one can add too , change , take away ,etc.... to the bible , false churches, false christ / false christians . etc.... and deceive many .... even kjv is not correct / been changed / added to . and twisted .and false christians ,sinners are deceived and mislead .into deception/ apostate/apostasy, worshipping the bible as god words , instead of following and obeying , the sound doctrine truth and be lead by the spirit of god , thats why satan can deceive many into a lie and to be damned .amen
Brother Kel Trinitarian's will never listen to the Lords Words because they listen to the viewpoints of their own past theologian's teachings of the doctrines and traditions of Men?
They can't deviate from this because their positions and Churchmenship status depend on it and they will justify what they say (to their gullible sheep) in this terminology it's been proven throughout Church History and that's supposed to set the argument straight.
But the irony is that Church History is the not Biblical History but the history of Pagan Rome or Christendom which is the head of Babylonian Mystery Religion.
Please explain genesis 1 : 26 kjv and GOD said let us make man in our image . Who is GOD talking to. Us is plural if GOD was talking to him self he would use singurly me please explain
+Esteves Francisco www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/verses/genesis1_26.html
See Job 38 in the LXX
This comment isn't about this video in particular but your videos as a whole:
There is not one doctrine of the Trinity. In all versions of the Trinity the Father Son and Holy Spirit share the same nature or essence theos.
But they count the one God differently. In western christianity the "one God" is often the Trinity itself Father Son and Holy Spirit together. Sometimes it is the divine essence.
In Orthodox Christianity The Father is the one God ie the only uncaused cause. He causes the Son and Holy Spirit. Neither the Son nor Holy Spirit are the one uncaused cause. The Holy Trinity is not the uncaused cause.
When you talk about a three person God that only applies to a subset of trinitarianism. It does not address Eastern Orthodox Trinitarianism.
However when you argue that the Son doesn't intrinsically share in the divine nature or when you argue against preexistance it does.
This video does touch on something Eastern Orthodox would disagree with.
Question the bible says GOD is the ALMIGHTY GOD then why in revelation 1 : 7 kjv Jesus himself calls him the ALMIGHTY and says I am the alpha and omega , the beginning and ending. And else Jesus also is call the first and last . Only GOD as that title
+Esteves Francisco Jesus isn't called the Almighty. That's your error. And according to your belief, the First and the Last is the Triune Being. But according to your belief, Jesus is not the Triune God. You have a big problem on your hands with this claim of yours before you even get started. Jesus is the Beginning of the new creation of God because he is the Firstborn out of the dead.
The IT is the WORD speaking = the word is the Torah/Tanakh.
The one sharper than a double edged sword.
Why can't you see it?
The IT is what Scripture says.
The one sharper than a doubled edged sword at Hebrews 4:12 is Jesus. Why can't you see it?
TheTrinityDelusion Jesus comes afterward in this chapter as the priest who handles the word.
The order of Melchizedek - the first of the THEM in bereshit 3:15 - the first of the new king priests.
Im sorry but do you speak fluent greek?
Spoken and written
children build imaginary houses from lego bricks--lol
That's what I was thinkin.
wow.
I believe in 3 in 1 - GOD the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT ...
+Esteves Francisco Why would you want to serve a man-made god? The only God is the Lord's God. There is no God but Jesus Christ's God.
+Esteves Francisco You need to do a little research via the net regarding the purpose and origin of the Trinity doctrine. With information as close as your finger tips, it is no excuse to be ignorant. What you, personally, believe don't really matter, nor myself, but what God says about himself, and what Jesus Christ says about himself. Spend some time in the book of Isiah and count the times God references Himself! Does a three-in-one God really make sense to you, and can you find it clearly stated in the Scriptures?
But yet 👉JESUS SAID HE HAD A GOD AND EVEN HE WAS HIS HEAD ABOVE HIM.
Your problem is the NIV. Joker
Pay attention to what you are watching next time.
Am showing u what the bible says I believe the bible over man. Is the bible our final authority or man . Let GOD be true and every man a lair, I will stick to my bible many out the deny the deity of Jesus Christ. And attack the GODHEAD .
+Esteves Francisco I doubt very much that you will "stick to your Bible." Rather, you will espouse your man-made traditions.
ho theos is not vocative--Christs throne is his Fathers--his God
nice--legitimate
try spelling correctly Carlos
why arent you a muslim?
God's son was/is God's final word.
@@TheTrinityDelusion that is true but you sound almost like muslims when you say that Jesus is just a man.
The Bible was inspired by The Holy Spirit to English, not you. John 14:9 Jesus is the father
You misunderstood what he was saying. He is not saying he is the father. He is saying he displays the actions of GOD. Jesus said he does nothing of himself. Notice he told his disciples I go to my GOD and your GOD, my father and your father. This is what it means to be the word of GOD. Uttering only what the Most High tells him to say. Also remember, my father is greater than I. One cant be greater than themself.
1. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God
2. Jesus Himself claimed to be the Son of God
3. Jesus comes from God /of God
4. Jesus Himself denied making himself God
5. Jesus was killed for claiming to be the Son of God
6. Jesus belongs to God
7. Jesus was given the title of a God on the throne
8. Jesus(the God) on the throne, has a God above Him
9. Jesus' God is His own God and Father
10. Jesus is obedient to His own God and Father
11. Jesus said His Father was greater than all
12. Jesus is identified as God's word in the Bible
13. The word of God is identified as coming out God's mouth
14. The word is identified as the fulfillment of God's will
15. The heavens and the earth were made through God's word
16. God spoke, and His word carried out His commandments
17. Jesus was sent to earth save us by His Father
18. Jesus came to earth in His Father's name
19. The Father gave Jesus His own name
20. Jesus' Father's name is YHWH
21. The Father issued a commandment for Jesus to raise Himself from the dead
22. Jesus has no will of His own on matters of divine direction
23. Jesus can of himself do nothing without His Father
24. No one has ever seen God
25. No one has ever heard God's voice
26. Jesus is fully dependent on His own God and Father
27. Everything that is, is due to the Father and Him alone
28. There is only one true God, and that Jesus' God and Father(YHWH)
29. YHWH saved us by means of His Son Christ Jesus
30. Jesus is the truth, of the Father
31. Jesus is the way, to the Father
32. Jesus is the life, of the Father
33. Jesus was at His Father's side in heaven prior-to the beginning spoken of in Genesis
34. All things that were made, were made through Jesus, and for Jesus
35. We must believe that Jesus is the Son of God in order to be saved
36. There is no other name in which we must be saved other than Jesus
37. We must publicly declare Jesus Lord and put faith in His resurrection to be saved
38. There is only one savior alone, and that is the Father
39. There is but one who is good, and that is the Father alone
40. The Father gives Jesus His sheep
41. The Father gave Jesus life
42. There is no other God beside YHWH
43. YHWH alone is God
44. There is no other God before and beside YHWH
45. Jesus is the image of the Father
46. Jesus though being the form of God, did not seek equality with Him
47. Jesus stood and spoke for His Father on earth
48. Jesus was given a name above all names by His Father
49. The angels worship Jesus as King in heaven
50. Jesus was given all authority over the heavens and the earth by His Father
51. Jesus will return all authority given to Him upon the fulfillment of His Fathers will heaven and on earth
JohnBee Nicely said. I’ll have to cut and paste that
U are the problem u don't believe the bible u will stand before GOD ALMIGHTY -- am sorry that many have fallen under your spell , u attack the bible and u don't even bible what us says even if I show u scripture u will stick not expect it . The bible says Jesus created all things if he is not GOD he can't be the Creator of all things Colossians 1 : 14 - 17 kjv John 1 : 1 - 3 job
+Esteves Francisco No, sorry but the Bible doesn't say Jesus is the Creator. You are just perpetuating common lies. ruclips.net/video/5SGzbjvLji8/видео.html
👩⚖Son...listen now. Threatening that he is going to stand before judgement is ridiculous. We all will have to; and Jesus is our Lord and Master to whom we will stand. Did you know that each one will stand or fall to his own master but Jesus CAN MAKE US TO STAND!?.
We are putting on his yoke of learning; and he is gentle and humble at heart. Hopefully we are all learning and baring and remaining with his fruit's of His Spirit.
My point is 👉with the measure you judge it will be pressed down and running over you. Let's put on the image of Christ and lift up! No one understand's all the thing's of God! But we are working to put on the Mind of Christ.
Jesus is the FOUNDATION laid before the beginning of the world---but he is still the Son.
His 👉God (Father) is our God (Father) through him - the Son!
Am done with y good bye
+Esteves Francisco Okay.
U don't believe the bible 1 John 5: 7 kjv says for there are three that bear record in heaven , Father , the Word , and the HOLY Ghost: and these three are one . Who is the Word and in John 1 : 1 - 14 kjv I believe my bible .
+Esteves Francisco One testimony doesn't amount to one God does it? Do you believe the Spirit, the water and the blood are a Triune being too? Besides, it is common knowledge that this was not written by John but was inserted into the Scriptures. The proof is overwhelming.