Hebrews 1:8 - Your throne ho theos
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- Greek "ho theos" is how the Bible refers to God the Father. Jesus sat down on his God and Father's throne, "Your throne ho theos..." "I sat down on my Father's throne." Revelation 3:21. The Greek text is actually quite basic Greek. The second nominative modifies the first, ho thronos, not the genitive sou as Trinitarians are trying to pull off.
God exalted the man Jesus and subjected all things to this man by seating him upon His, the Father's, throne. This man was given the right to execute God's authority, the authority of the Father's throne. This man became superior to the angels (Heb 1:4) when God subjected all things in heaven and on earth to him by seating him at His right hand. He executes his God and Father's authority in his Father's name and he does this by the Spirit of his God just as his father David had ruled Israel by the Spirit of his God.
What is MAN that You remember him? Or the son of MAN, that You are concerned about him?
You have made him a little lower than the angels. You have crowned him with glory and honor and You have appointed him over all the works of Your hands. You have put all things in subjection under his feet. For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him. Hebrews 2:5-8 quoting Psalm 8 concerning the creation of man.
Jesus was exalted to his Father's throne meaning he now executes his Father's authority over His Father's Kingdom. He sat down on his God's throne just as David and Solomon sat down on their God's throne meaning that they executed God's authority over Israel in His name. They did this by the Spirit of God in which they were anointed. The risen Jesus does it the same way.
1 Corinthians 15:24, 25, 26, 27, 28 KJV
Interesting analysis. I don't like your throne is the throne of God either, since other passages say that Jesus is on the **right** of the throne of God.
If we are doing dynamic equivalences then I would propose, "you shall rule by God's authority," or "your rulling authority comes from God", or "your authority to rule will be God himself."
@@austin3789 The Father is referring to himself unto the Son quoting Psalm 45 it is what the Father has done for the Son
@@austin3789 it's God in you . all thinks are of the one Spirit , Free will justsaying
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John 14:9
“Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 10:30
“I and my Father are one.”
Amen.
Spot on…
The Throne of you THE God/Father… Correct Kel..
I am Greek & that is it.. Not Oh !
Thank you for your wonderful teaching of truth… A great teacher..
Greek language is complex & lots have been twisted to suit the 3 headed monster…
Blessings Kel
John
Australia
Then maybe you should take a look at Deuteronomy 6:4.. the Hebrew word for one used is echad. Which means unified one. Its the same word (echad) used for the union between a man and his wife, (they shall become one... echad) The Hebrew word yachid which means singular one, is not used for Hear Oh Israel the Lord is one!.. instead echad is used. Why?
Update: Oh and by the way, the Hebrew word used for God in Exodus 3, is Elohim.. which is plural. So.... echad which means unified one, and Elohim (God) which is plural.. do you get it? The weight of scripture and exegesis declares the truth.
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Who is your mediator Falcon ?
About the word echad: what you said is completely false. Because the word "echad" works like the word "one" the word "one" does not refer to a complex unity UNLESS there is a context that points towards such a complex unity. For example: "there is only one team left" this does not mean the team is a one person, this refers to a one set of group that includes many persons. But this same one can also be used as "there is only one eyewitness" does this mean the eyewitness includes many other persons or refers to a complex unity? No. The context in which the word "one" is used dictates what it means. And the context in which "echad" is used for God's oneness does not lean towards God being many persons, just leans towards God being ONE like how the eyewitness is ONE without having complex divinity because there is no such context in the verse that points towards God being multiple persons, so God being "echad" still means he is one without a trinity.
Elohim: Elohim does not mean you are literally 2 or 3 people, it is used to show respect to one's self or to honor one's self. Like how kings and queens say "We need to rest" or just use "we" to refer to themselves. The language urdu also works like this. So this is a language thing and does not mean more than one persons consisting of one God or anything.
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@@jaybfalcon2So then why is the trinity so blasphemous and inconceivable to the Jews? Why did God give us sound logic and reason, only to reveal Himself outside of our comprehension and expect us to follow Him as a god-man?
Your meaning for echad being a unit may be true, however to imply that the first command is 'Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is a unit'.
I have just echad question; where is Lady Wisdom and Prudence in the trinity? Why don't we have a 5 God?
God calls the son "O God", not for his sake, but for our sakes to emphasize to mankind that we are to honor the son of God's memory as if he were the one true and living God, which Jesus is.
Hallelujah, praise be to the most high.
GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER KEL 🙏
THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER WONDERFUL AND ENLIGHTHING TEACHING.
SHALOM 🙏
When Paul was converted, he asked " Who art thou, Lord?"
Really helpful teaching Kel. Thanks.
Thank you for this video.
Thanks from Iceland, your brother,
Magnús Ragnar (Maggi Raggi), in Christ Jesus, thank you.
Thank you for showing yet another perspective to Hebrews 1:8, or a new way of understanding it to one's that still were unclear. Trinitarians and Michael Heiser lovers especially should really take your past compilations together with this one of Hebrews 1:8 and not to mention, the whole of Hebrews 1 into consideration. They may just learn something if they're sincere enough. God bless
It's scary how many people just follow "scholars" like Michael Heiser.
@@honeyspoonbeewrangler4550 do not be surprised. The situation is just like the apostasy the jews were in 2000 years ago. People follow the modern pharisees, sadducees and scribes. Heiser is a good example of a scribe. Just follow Jesus wherever He goes and leads us in the spirit.
Is Jesus the “God” referred to at Hebrews 1:8?
No. The weight of the evidence indicates that it is Jehovah. According to the New World Translation, Hebrews 1:8 says: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your [the Son’s] throne forever and ever.’” This shows that Jesus’ throne, his office or authority as a sovereign, has its source in Jehovah the Almighty God.
However, believers in the Trinity prefer the Authorized Version, or King James Version, which renders Hebrews 1:8 this way: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.” Thus, they feel that Jesus is shown to be the same as Almighty God. Why is this not correct?
First, note the context. In many translations, either in the main text or in the margin, Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse eight is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him.
Secondly, it should be noted that Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God. Commenting on this, scholar B. F. Westcott said: “It is scarcely possible that אלוהים [‘Elo·himʹ, “God”] in the original can be addressed to the king. . . . Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God.’”
With good reason, therefore, the New World Translation and a number of other translations render Hebrews 1:8 as, “God is your throne.” (See An American Translation, Moffatt; also the marginal reading in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.) This makes it clear that the “Son,” Jesus Christ, has a God who is higher than he is.
Great 👍 explanation Brother Kel..thank you ❤️ for your time and Truth. GOD bless brother.
You should have wayyy more followers. I'm commenting on all your videos from now on, so the algorithm picks you up!
EXCELLENT exegesis and explanation! Thank you sir!
Thank you for giving me a lesson about the Greek language.
Your argument is clear.
Thanks from Ethiopia
Thank you Brother Kel
Two Lords rebuked Satan Zechariah 3:1,2 KJV
@@gustavmahler1466 The following is the word that addresses you and your brainwashed, reality-denying behavior, which you pretend is thinking, as you are crazy, having been shown the truth and having rejected it. It explains why you see your satanic Trinitarian doctrine all over scripture when it isn't there, because you have a reprobate mind, having abandoned God the Father, and having turned him into a group of five false gods, called "God." Just as you bore witnesses to with your few words just now...."For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
Two LORDs to those who have eyes but can't see. Shouldn't it be five Lords? Where is your no- named third person? Where is your Triune Being group, where all four talk at once with their divine nature? He'is(they are)a Lord too according to your doctrine. You are rebuked. Stay away. Your deceptions don't work on minds that have had the veil lifted from them through the anointed Jesus by God the Father, having been strengthened in truth.
@@TheChadWork2001 two Lords is not Trinitarian I believe the Son is an angel Isaiah 63:9 KJV
Excellent explanation
excellent bro
First! Thanks, its been a while that you have uploaded a video!
Actually he uploaded teo video very very recently.
You're not that "first" after all.
@@johndevisser903 I meant the first to comment on this video. And yes you are right he did do a video a few days back lol.
@@DudeDesi07 He did aready two videos since he is back.
This is the third
@@johndevisser903 lol I realize that, been all over the place lately
@@DudeDesi07 It's good he is still there.
He's the only one of whom I can say he is spirit led and speaks more truth than the so called unitarian theologians.
He also has boldness wich is important. Boldness sadly is absent from most believers
I have a general question as I’m a new viewer. What churches teach the doctrine that is preached throughout these videos? And by that I mean the true Christian doctrine, which I align with.
Jesus isn't building church denominations. He is building one church, his body. He is the Head of his body and true believers are his body. The God of the Head of the body is the Father alone and so Jesus Christ's God is the only true God, the God of the body of Christ, our God. The church, the body of Christ, is wherever the Spirit of God dwells. It is not about a sign in front of a building on the corner.
Brother Kel; have you done a video about keeping the law and or old/new covenant, or could you do one eventually? I see more and more brethrens starting with keeping the law such feasts, sabbath etc. Not sure what I have to think about that. Some say sabbath "must" be kept as God has made it an eternal commandment etc.
The only thing which must be kept is God's Word of Truth who is Jesus Christ. Obey Christ and you will keep God's perfect and pure Word of Truth: the person Jesus
@@TheTrinityDelusion thx 🙏
Are there any unitarian bible translations?
yep. check out "Truth or Tradition" John Schoenheit. on youtube will do.
Ps 44 (Septuagint) (quoted in 1:8, 9) celebrates a royal enthronement and wedding. The groom is a king who has conquered for righteousness and is called "god" (Elohim), though the king is distinct from God, this celebration is fulfilled with messianic enthronement and wedding in the Kingdom of God. The OT gives the title "god" to Moses, Samuel, descendants of David, and angels, but is primarily the Messiah who embodies this title. Here, God the Father calls the Son "God."
You can tell when there is a misleading translation in the Bible just by understanding the themes of the entire Bible. Coercive trinitarian translations usually disrupt the message that is taught everywhere else, and that's why they will never be able to get a truly meaningful understanding of God's word.
Exactly
Hey. Why did Thomas say “my Lord and my God” to Jesus?
Praise be to God, our redeemer and our savior.
Hi there I wanted to ask what Bible do you recommend I should buy. I would like to learn about Christainity more. Would you recommend reading one with Greek alongside? Thank you 😊
Well none of them are without errors and intentional theological bias so I can't "recommend" any of those. Don't buy an NIV since that version is a total train wreck. An ESV or NASB are a couple versions that have less errors than many others.
Yes you should have an interlinear but there are two kinds. Make sure you do not get one that changes the Greek word order to match the English word order. Those are good for nothing and won't help you much. Get one that has the correct Greek word order and the English words are shifted and changed to line up with the Greek words.
That might help you know what Christianity is about.
But a Bible is not the best way to learn how to BE a Christian. The best way is to get on your knees and ask the Lord to show you, guide you, and teach you. And make sure you listen.
@@TheTrinityDelusionthank you so much I’m not Christian actually I made a comment on this post three months asking some questions. But thank you though for giving the recommendations may God bless you
@@sineadmorison6057 You are welcome.
@@TheTrinityDelusionright at the end…. People believe in the Bible, Not god. That’s the problem. Yo many people forget Christ says the only and best teacher you need is the Holy Ghost. The gift from our God. But this is why so many ppl fall for the false trinity. All they do is hear all these “scholars” say stuff. Instead of just reading for themselves and letting the spirit guide them
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Kel, I wanted to ask,is the Hebrew text in the old testament of the Mesora version (the version we use today) considered to be authentic more than the Greek manuscripts of this verse.for me it is much easier to evaluate the Hebrew rather than the Greek,and I want to explain this verse using Hebrew examples which are similar in the old testament to demonstrate the absurdity of the this verse translation,just like you demonstrated with the verse from Mathew using the Greek.
I don't have any background of scholarship.
The Hebrews writer is quoting from Psalm 45 of the GREEK Old Testament. But there isn't any reason you can't check the Hebrew. It yields the same result.
Thank you
Is Jesus the “God” referred to at Hebrews 1:8?
No. The weight of the evidence indicates that it is Jehovah. According to the New World Translation, Hebrews 1:8 says: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your [the Son’s] throne forever and ever.’” This shows that Jesus’ throne, his office or authority as a sovereign, has its source in Jehovah the Almighty God.
However, believers in the Trinity prefer the Authorized Version, or King James Version, which renders Hebrews 1:8 this way: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.” Thus, they feel that Jesus is shown to be the same as Almighty God. Why is this not correct?
First, note the context. In many translations, either in the main text or in the margin, Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse eight is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him.
Secondly, it should be noted that Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God. Commenting on this, scholar B. F. Westcott said: “It is scarcely possible that אלוהים [‘Elo·himʹ, “God”] in the original can be addressed to the king. . . . Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God.’”
With good reason, therefore, the New World Translation and a number of other translations render Hebrews 1:8 as, “God is your throne.” (See An American Translation, Moffatt; also the marginal reading in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.) This makes it clear that the “Son,” Jesus Christ, has a God who is higher than he is.
@@alexshatner3907 thank you, this is quite an old comment, but interesting answer nonetheless.
I can read the Hebrew in the origami verse in Psalm 45,so I know that the authority of God comes through the throne to the king.
God bless you and thank you for your time.
@@reshefshahar2434 Reshef Shahar I highly appreciate your compliment I just made a new friend, if at any time you need a assistance with scriptures that are at times used by Trinitarians to prove that the trinity is biblical, I will prove them wrong, and just shoot that scripture to me, I will Dissect it with the true Hebrew or Greek meaning, just log down everything I send you back, so you can use for scriptural defense when needed, As for example John 1:1 etcetera
Hi Kel, could you give any references of trinitarians who think the watchtower translation is correct, thanks.
I don't keep a list so you'll need to make your own. It isn't a matter of Trinitarians saying it is "correct" but that the grammar allows it. Some Trinitarian scholars have also agreed that the Watchtower translation would make sense whether or not they ultimately agree with it on contrast to the "O God" translation. See Robertson for one.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Ok thanks for your reply
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Brother Kel, if you will find useful with God's willing to discuss the meaning of the other subject in the bible - it's written in the gospel of Luke 1:17. This is about the God's sent angel that will prepare the fallen men's hearts for the readiness to receive the Messiah in the heart. One of the translations said that "as soon as parents start to take care of their children, they'll be ready to meet Messiah in their hearts". I was arguing with the bible college graduated person that it doesn't make sense and he had tried to convince me that it's important for the fathers to take care of their kids.
Hi there fellow Christian brothers and sisters, muslim sister here. Before you continue to read these questions, I am not here to start an arguement I just wanted to learn about Christianity a bit more. I heard that this verse declares that Prophet Jesus Peace be upon him is God. I wanted to know:
- Do Christians believe Prophet Jesus is God or is this a misunderstanding by others? Since I have heard that Christians believe Prophet Jesus is interdependent with God, but is not God. Is this just different scholarly opinions and what would be the majority opinion?
- If Prophet Jesus is interdependent with God, I also wanted to ask does that mean without Prophet Jesus God is not how can I put this able on His own? Like before Prophet Jesus, how was God independent if He is now interdependent. Apologise I do not want to offend The Almighty Creator I just want to understand this from a christians viewpoint. I of course believe that God stands alone and does not require any partners and I assume christians believe the same as People of the Book and monothiest
- As humans we are in an imperfect form or I suppose limited form. Something I don't understand is how can God be a human if a human, including the Prophets are just His creations and therefore limited to His power? I understand people may say its beyond our comprehension but would it be offensive to God to picture Him just as a creation? I also am aware some people may say but he is spreading the message of God so he must be somehow linked/related to God, but if we say that then can't we say that other Prophets are God or related and somehow higher than others? In Islam we believe no Prophet is above the other Prophets.
Thank you for taking the time to explain theses verses. It was really fascinating to learn about the languages different interpretations. Keep up with the great work 😊 And once again these are just genuine questions. I just want to learn more about the similarities to Islam there are to Christianity and understand the teachings of the Bible
Isa is the Fathers Word that was born a 100% Man and called His Son
Deu 19:21 And thine eye shall not pity; but life ( Christs ) shall go for life, ( Adam ) eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
@@E.K.2424 thank you for coming back 😊. So the word son is not to say Prophet Jesus Peace be upon him is God but just a messenger like all the other Prophets Peace be upon them. Is that why Christian’s refer to him as a son as he is guided by the Father like other Prophets as he receives revelations. Am I understanding you correctly?
@@sineadmorison6057 Jesus in not like other prophets in that He is born a Son of God , Adam was created a son and all other humans that come from Adam , but the Christ is not a created son but a birthed Son of God thru the human woman. He is the first born Son He said you must be born again or from above His Father ( Elyon ) is taking us from a created being to a birthed being by accessing the work of His first born Son and putting faith in Him.
Under His Sonship He is also The Prophet and there is not a greater Prophet than Him because of His Sonship.
Thru Him we can also become birthed sons.
Just like Adam is 100% human so must Christ be 100% human He is not God the Father nor a god but the Human birth Son of God the Son of Man.
@@E.K.2424 okay so it comes from the fact that Mary became pregnant because God can create life by any means. Okay thank you so much. Actually pretty much the same-ish beliefs we have as muslims. I think some people do take it too far by worshipping Prophet Jesus rather than God or both (obviously polytheism). But yeah thank you so much for explaining the Christian faith. May God bless you in this life and the hereafter.
@@E.K.2424 oh also I wanted to ask why would Prophet Jesus need to be sacrificed for our sins to be forgiven why doesn’t God just forgive as He is All Merciful and He has the power to forgive when we ask for forgiveness? I’m aware that in the Bible it talks about sacrifice as a form of giving up something for God like I don’t know keeping chaste until marriage or whatever and giving up lust or dressing modestly to not impress (we have the same concept in Islam). But why do you have to give up someone’s life when Prophet Jesus is already doing God’s will and continuing to sacrifice his own desires to teach people the word of God. And once again thank you for explaining things more clearly 😄
What wait Christians againt trinity Christians against the idea of jesus being god but the father alone is god ??? Really ??
Read the Bible buddy
Brother Kel the problem with Trinity World is they are stuck in Pagan understanding who God the Father is from their Church Fathers at Nicea that became Roman Catholicism.
When they read the Scriptures they don't read what it says they eisegesis their Trinity doctrine into the text to explain the text and not looking into other Scriptures to explain the text?
Like John1-4 GNV 1John1:1-2
Brother Kel - what I'm saying plainly that Christendom has four competing theologies to explain God and his Word in Scripture - Roman Catholicism, Greek Eastern Orthodoxy, Protestantism - Calvinism and Arminianism.
Like I said above the only true interpretation is from the Apostles teachings in Scripture Alone and anything after the Apostles written words is Falsehood, there is no more revelation after the Apostles Words period, like the Scripture says don't go beyond what is written!
We must be OnGard when we listen to Minister in Christendom and question them where are you getting your interpretation from when we listen to their sermons and should be like the Bereans making sure you can verify their interpretation in Scripture?
Jesus doesn't sit on top of God but seated on right hand of Father who sent Him to earth in Incarnation for our salvation. He is raised by Father, His Own Power and the Holy Spirit. The throne of Godhead is the Father,Son/Lamb and the Holy Spirit. One God in essence and Tri-Unity forever. Amen.
I see you have decided to enter into self reaffirmation chants for yourself. They do that kind of thing in all sorts of religions.
The father might be referring to himself not saying the son is god
Amen
The NWT is a good translation of de Bible. The Jehovah Witness are correct about the Heb 1:8-9.
No, sorry they aren't.
NWT has added many things into texts to conform their doctrines.
Believing that Jesus pre-existed his own existence as the very first angel God created and then Jesus creating everything else, including all other angels and is actually Michael the archangel, is a total denial of who he is and complete rejection of scripture.
Just as bad as trinitarians.
Ask yourself how is it that Jesus was given a name greater than the angels and was given authority over them only after his resurrection from the dead?
If Jesus created them then he naturally had a greater name and authority over them from eternity past..
@@TimKollat Read Isaiah 63:9 KJV
@@TimKollat Jesus was always destined to reign over creation he has always been the archangel
@@gustavmahler1466 show any scripture..any one at all that ever says an angel was re-incarnated in the womb of Mary and became a "god-man" named Jesus, then this angel/man died and was resurrected and placed back in his seat of archangel in heaven...just one verse.
EVERYWHERE in scripture Jesus is said to be a MAN, the messiah.
The anointed one/messiah can NOT be an angel but has to be a man. Jesus is also said to be a prophet. Angels are not prophets, only men/human beings.."son of man"
To call Jesus an angel or the archangel Michael is to completely deny Jesus and his Father just like trinitarians do in a slightly different way
Not chanting my friend. Just affirming truth of God's Word. You can't escape the fact that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
You certainly have quite the fantasies. Your Triune God is never mentioned even once in the entire Bible. But I'm sure you will go right ahead and imagine your fake God into the Bible wherever you think you can get away with it.
Jordan, The Father is clearly speaking to His Son in Hebrews 1:8. We can see the Divine Son with the Father in Daniel 7:13 presenting Himself before the Father and being given an Everlasting Kingdom which we see manifest now in true church assembly and continues into Everlasting Life after the Lords Second Coming into the New Heaven and Earth. Daniel 10:5-8 speaks of Son of Man (Christ seen in Heavenly Glory) very lined up to Revelation 1:13-17 Christ as God the Son is equally the First and the Last the Almighty. God the Holy Spirit is the One Personal God- see Psalm 139 and John Chapter 14-16 read with wisdom. Don't be deceived into denying the Son and Spirit are God and are most certainly Creator, Redeemer and Savior. If the Son and Spirit are denied then the Father is denied and called a liar because the Father is Witness to His Son and Spirit.
Praise God.
I think the problem of common Trinitarians is simple. Logic. If someone logically thinking hears "Son of God", it's clear to him/her that person with that title is not the God. Simply cannot be. I think trinitarianism this way ridicule Christianity and prevents Gospel to be heard, as nobody reasonable can believe a message of a person claiming that someone is own father (Son of God is the God), and that someone never sinned, is honest, and at the same time he(Jesus) prays to himself(Father) that not his(Jesus's) will but his(Father's) will happens. (Jesus is the person/being of whom he is the son at the same time). How desperate someone has to be to accept this nonsense not seeing its absurdity.
This is why they always resort to violence, as they always do, to get rational people to buy into their reprobate mind doctrine. Because they are insane and cannot see and they can no longer weild simple Godly reason and logic. The truth and the meaning of words is always the first to be twisted and thrown down with those who chose evil over truth. Just like the evil now are legally redefining the word "vaccine" to fit the evil narrative they are trying to force the world to believe.
And logically speaking if a man has a son he will be a man. So if God has a Son, what would He be?
@@iamtheteapot7405 It would be a son of God, but not God, as God is just one. "God" is not a member of a kind, race as a man.
@pozorovatellidi The only begotten Son of God would not share His nature? Remember we're not talking about the created sons of god but rather His only begotten Son. Are you sure He wouldn't be God?
@@iamtheteapot7405 Jesus clearly states... he is Son of God, God is one, his Father is the only true God... cannot it be clearer to understand there is just one God, Father is the God and Jesus not?
I don't see how Psalm 45 has anything to do with Jesus if it is read within its context. If originally this psalm was addressed to a king of that time, probably Solomon, then it has to be understood as a poetic "song" and not a prophecy.
Likewise, the quotation from Psalm 102 has nothing to do with Jesus. Why it is in Hebrews ch. 1 is anyone's guess but I think it's obvious.
Whoever wrote or edited (while rewriting) Hebrews has used the verses from those psalms out of their context. I think Hebrews ch. 1 even reads better when skipping from verse 7 (possibly 6) to verse 13. The quotations from those psalms are not needed there to express the point being made by the writer.
This is just a tip of the iceberg of the forgeries in the new testament. Do I think the new testament presents enough truth about Jesus and people of that time? Absolutely, but I know not everything that is there is the truth.
So God has not preserved His word for us?
I would be very careful. Ask yourself a couple of questions. The first being if the Bible was supposed to be logically and easily read by our human minds without the help of the Holy Spirit then why would Jesus speak in parables? The second is this we see in Rev 5 all of creation worshipping at the feet of the Father and the Son so it is not idolatry to worship Jesus as God it’s literally in the Bible.
The next thing is there are a bunch of warnings that if you deny Christ your eternal salvation is at risk. While on the flip side there are no warnings to worshiping Christ as God (see Rev 5). Yet most all of Christianity believes in Christ deity except for a very small few. This man spends all of his time and effort denying Christ he doesn’t preach the gospel or on holiness or how to be born again the majority of his content is denying Christ. We know the one who denies the Christ has come in the flesh is of the antichrist. I would be very careful letting this man appeal to your human logical reasoning.
Michaelspinner9891. That is a great comment!
Praise be to God, I hope for all of our sakes that God has mercy on us when we are wrong and that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. Shalom.
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“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
John 8:24 KJV
Scripture is very clear on what happens to those who deny Jesus.
if you would use only KJV it will be better and you don't have to go back and forth with all those senseless translations
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT HE USES THESE VARIOUS TRANSLATIONS BECAUSE ALL THE BOOKS HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED. AND WHEN YOUR ON A NEXT LEVEL SPIRITUALLY YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE HE'S WEENING OUT THE SUGAR FROM THE
SH* T.
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sir by your name it seems you are in the usa. So why do usa people get so fixated on the KJV? is it because it sounds royal or something? i am only one generation removed from british ancestry and find it just weird. the rest of the world dont do that, especially the brits, so why in the usa? Whats so great, it makes things hard to understand and religious sounding. And it is full of trinity error.
@@ken440 it is just tradition. Hard to get rid of. If only they knew the translators were biased by both calvinist and catholic doctrines.
@@ken440 King James did not want his name on the KJV it was a few years after his death it was added
@@bardowesselius4121 yeah tradition is all through church life, just like the jews were like when Jesus walked in Israel. I was just stirring because of the above.