Shameful Trinitarian John
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Declaring yourself to be God would be to glorify yourself as God. Jesus stated he did not seek his own glory. So when the Jews asked him WHO he was, Jesus stated that if he glorified himself his glory is nothing. But Trinitarians claim he did indeed glorify himself as their God and shamefully contradict the words of our Lord Jesus.
"I do not seek my glory..... The Jews said... "WHO do you make yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. IT IS MY FATHER WHO GLORIFIES ME, of whom you say, ‘He is our God."" John 8:50-54
Was Jesus testifying about himself at John 8:58?
“If I testify about myself, my testimony is NOT true. There is ANOTHER WHO TESTIFIES ABOUT ME, and I know that the testimony which He gives about me IS true." John 5:31-32
Was Jesus glorifying himself at John 8:58?
The Jews said... "WHO do you make yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing."
"My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me. If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is out of God or whether I speak from myself. He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory but he who is seeking THE GLORY OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM, he is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him." John 7:16-18
Jesus told us plainly that he did not come in his own name and he did not seek his own will nor did he seek his own glory. He came in the name of the Father not to do his own will but the Father's will and not to glorify himself but to glorify his Father by finishing His work. Jesus only testified about himself insofar as he obeyed what the Father willed to say through him and what the Father willed to do through him. Jesus tells us that he did not speak from himself but the Father spoke through him and he did not do mighty signs and wonders from himself but the Father did his mighty works through him (see also Acts 2:22). Because he obeyed what the Father wanted to do through him, the Father testified to who Jesus was by making Himself known through this man of flesh - two witnesses, the Father and the Son. (John 8:14-18).
The swaggering Jesus of Trinity world is a fake Jesus.
"He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory but he who is seeking the glory of the One who sent him, he is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him."
John 7:16-18
"I do not receive glory from men but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the only God?"
John 5:41-44
"He who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me." John 12:44
Hi, wondering what happened to your trinity delusion channel. Was going thru the videos and all of a sudden gone?
@@natewipf5064 This is it.
@@TheTrinityDelusion oh ok, I see now, Confused me cause you changed your title and pic and for some reason I couldnt scroll to the older videos yesterday. Thanks for the incredible work with debunking the trinity lie!
Shalom brother Kel..
Please may i have a (link) to all your teaching i can say that they are gold. To me! Please ??
@@johnspartan98
I don't think trinitarians fall prey as much as they willingly seek out something other than the truth - as this has been my experience over the years
This is one of your best videos. Super to the point and very clear, just like the scripture you are talking about.
Excellent content. I have been trying to understand the fundamentals of the trinity doctrine and your videos are of great assistance..
This content helps me to contrast the trinitarian beliefs with scripture..
Thankyou!!! 🙏🏾
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
God is triune
Brother Kel is a heretic. He has no joy and always seems miserable
@Christian Man I wasn't duped. I can find it in the early church writings. Have you ever read the Didache?
@Christian Man the trinity is our 1st century belief nothing was changed but you.
They are not interested in the truth it seems to me. Or/and they are blind to It.
"This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’" (Matthew 13:12-15)
The only thing that can make people go to hell is their pride. Most people refuse reproof of their beliefs because they think they are geniuses. They never humble themself to hear what they don't like.
God does not reveal things to the wise, but to little children
@@juanthefreak331 lots of things make people go to hell. Nudie pictures on the internet is damning millions of Christian men to hell. Fornication
@@juanthefreak331 wisdom was a gift to Solomon what bible do you cherry pick from?
@@rickhuntling7338 god gave solomon wisdom because he was wise enough to ask for it
Jesus is exactly who God says he is. The son of God. And Jesus states exactly who God is. His father. but no no no., we theologians can care less what God and Jesus proclaim.
From Genesis to to Malachi HE doesn't make that claim yet the scriptures are all about HIM.
If you want to know the truth, make the Tanakh your foundation for truth. "To the Torah and Witness! And if they speak not according to this word they have no daybreak."
It's truly astonishing that the words are right there for everyone to read, yet so many refuse to acknowledge them. If scripture had been corrupted to the point where they could claim ignorance, that would be one thing, but it's another thing altogether to deny the undeniable. It is, however, an excellent way to separate the sheep from the goats.
John 10:27(AMP): _"The sheep that are My own hear My voice and listen to Me; I know them, and they follow Me."_
@@johnspartan98 My point was that scripture as a whole is not corrupted enough to obfuscate the truth. It's still there for anyone to find, assuming they care enough to look into it.
@@northoftoofar3772 true.. if someone is honest with himself and God, he will start seeing things. Especially if you don't look at so called known men..
God is doing whats right as he always does. God has hidden the word of truth from them because they are not worthy of hearing it. Even if they do hear it, they will reject it
@@juanthefreak331 I always struggled with the idea of YHWH hardening hearts, hiding truths and sending strong delusions, but the closer I get to understanding him, the more his motives start to make sense.
You have to want him enough to wade through all of the BS and lies to get to him.
There's no room for slackers and bandwagoners.
@@northoftoofar3772 You must humble yourself like a little child to enter the kingdom of heaven. This is a requirement. Jesus said it
Those who have pride will never enter the kingdom. Jesus said that rich people will barely enter it because they value themselves so much
Thank you for this video. I have listened to many many videos that you have made. Very good teaching
Another Gem of truth.
Traditions of men overruling the clear word of God.
Absolutely!
They nullify the word of God by their traditions that they have been taught. And they do many things like that. (Mark 7:13) Loving their man-made doctrines and traditions more than the simple truth of God. It is amazing to see how they behave when truth comes their way. Raising up a standard against It in a heartbeat, without thinking about it for a second. And how defensive they get. And many times very aggressive, yes to the point of being hateful and vile. Seen it so many times through the years.
@@bosse641I fully agree John.
@@Justas399 do you really think you are going to convince us with all those verses explained from a trinitarian bias. The trinity blinds you from fully understanding those passages because they do not mean what you say they mean.
@@bosse641 Matthew 16 18 “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. “ the interesting part about this passage is that Christ says the gates of hell will not prevail against his church this means that the church that Christ established will exist throughout all of time meaning in order for your belief system to be correct you must find it all the way through history our else then you are not apart of the church which Christ established. Meaning that if the trinity is wrong and your view of God is correct then you must find it all throughout history in order for it to be right. Our else you are not apart of the church which Christ established. This means you must find groups all throughout history that agree with you because if you are apart of the church that Christ established and his church will never disappear then your belief system must be all throughout history. Now this is an uncomfortable truth but it is true what you believe did not exist between 1000ad till 1500 meaning your church didn’t exist so it can’t be true
Thank you brother Kel for your rigorous and informative work, GOD bless you.
"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
So?
What a clear teaching! Thank you brother kel, i share your videos on facebook so my family can see it and know the truth💛
no you don't "thus sateth the LORD" Philip. 2:6,7,Jn. 1:1-14.
SHALOM BROTHER KEL 🙏
ANOTHER GREAT, AWESOME, AND FULFILLING TEACHING!
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Shalom friend
@@LuxuryLenoxLuditoryLuthorLob SHABBAT SHALOM MY BROTHER 🙏❤️🙏
Revelations (19:10) So I fell at his feet to worship him, but he told me do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who rely on the testimony of Jesus.. worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy!!. John 15:23 to 24) "whoever hates me hates my father as well. If I had not done among them The Works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, as it is they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my father.. I have not spoken on my own but the father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it!. John 12:49
amen
in the Gospel according to John, (speaking of
eternal life) Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life.
He who believes in me will live, even though he dies."
(John 11:25). He makes the offer of eternal life conditional on
faith in his own person. This would be blasphemous for anybody
other than God. This is an incredible claim. Does he give any
evidence for his authority to make such claims? The record
gives many details of what happened at this particular day, but
at the end we read, "When he had said this, Jesus called in a
loud voice, `Lazarus, come out!' The dead mean came out, his
hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around
his face. Jesus said to them, `Take off the grave clothes and
let him go.'" (John 11:43-44).
When you read the Gospels carefully you will find that
consistently
* Jesus talks like he is God,
* Jesus acts like he is God,
* Jesus gives evidence for claiming this authority rightfully
by performing miraculous signs.
After 3 years with his disciples we read how one of them
asks Jesus and wants to be "shown the Father (God)".
Jesus answered, "Don't you know me, Philip, even after
I have been among you such a long time?
Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. ...
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the
miracles themselves." (John 14:10-11).
Jesus expected the disciples and the people around him to
recognise his true nature and identity from his words which
are only appropriate for God to speak and from his deeds.
Jesus does give enough proof and then lets you draw your own
conclusions. Everybody could make the claim to be God. And
many have made claims to be (a) god throughout history. Only
the true God can give true evidence for it and if you have
the evidence there is no need for the explicit command to
worship anymore. The statement "I am God" adds nothing of
substance to the question regarding his identity. His real
identity is established by the proof he gives, not by claims
each and everybody can make. After he has given the evidence,
there is no more need for the statement. Those who are open
for the truth will recognise the evidence, those who ignore
the evidence won't be convinced either if he adds this
specific statement you seem to demand from him. And if you
have recognized his true identity, worshiping him is only
proper and will nearly be an "automatic" response.
I know this is an incredible thought, it is unbelievable.
That is why it took even the disciples themselves such a
long time to really understand it. They have really only
started to comprehended the meaning of it all after Jesus'
own death and resurrection, after they meet the risen Lord.
In the Gospel according to John, end of chapter 20, and
the Gospel according to Matthew, end of chapter 28, we read
how Jesus receives worship and affims this. Even though he
never demands the worship, he accepts it and confirms it as
proper.
You claim:
N O W H E R E Jesus says "I am God, worship me."
and understand this as
NOwhere Jesus says "I am God, worship me."
and you are right when taking it the literalistic way. He never
says these very words. But he makes his claims very clear in
many other ways. Open your eyes and you will see that the right
way to read this statement is
Now HERE Jesus says "I am God
@@jacobsenh7383 amen
Like you say, over and over - Basic reading comprehension. It's all right there...
Satan has created division in the people to prevent them from looking at the most important part of the bible: repentence from sin
Created division? sorry but there is a reason Christians who believe JESUS is God has been preaching this since the Apostles.
They have been preaching JESUS is God...every single Apostlolic Father wrote JESUS is God...
This is the essence of Salvation....Unitarians are not Christians, they departed from what the classic church has been teaching since JESUS...
@@redpill-eroftruth7443 So who is Jesus?
Is he God, Son of God, man, angel, our brother and Highpriest Patriarch in Heavens?
Who is Jesus, who is he?
Joy Ram you ask me a question? I gave you an answer and then you erase it? you realize God sees and knows all right?
You realize you had been given an answer? and if you dont fact check to seek truth, your blood will be in your hands, instead you engaging you do what? erase? is this honest behavior? as if engaging in such deceptive tactics doesnt prove you are not of God, instead it proves you are of the total opposite? prove to us that by you erasing my messages instead of answering them, prove to us this action is of God instead of the devil?
@@redpill-eroftruth7443 What are you talking about? How can I erase your comment?
Well explained. This is why reading the context of whole passages instead of single verses is so important.
False teachings arise from single verse manipulation
Great information a clear understanding. Of the man messiah . The true light is the father and the bulb was the messiah .
Lost one✝
I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? John 5: 43-44
Any new videos soon, really enjoyed them. I’m always able to refer back to your videos/website when discussing errors of the trinity.
The LORD said you like your ears tickled, I prefer the truth not private interpretations.
I hope and pray that you’re well Kel. Keep up with the videos brother. I miss them
This is prophecy as in the book of Revelation tight and cramped leads to everlasting life wide and spacious leading to destruction,only the meek will inherit the earth, come on Jesus is what all true believers of Christ&his Father Jehovah (YHWH)are truly awaiting, HALLELUJAH.
thanks brother kel . i became born again christian long time ago but i couldnot digest triniterian translation of bible .i didnot know where to turn and where to find people in christ who could underestand what i mean . they are very judgemental about unitarian . i never was in such lonely place in my whole life .i prayed a lot to God to help me . then i found you. i love jesus and his loving God so much . God bless you for your work .
If they are judgmental about us then they are also judgmental about the apostles and disciples and even Jesus.. so let them fall and stumble.. you are inline with the true gospel
Remember Jesus' promise - the Spirit will lead you into all the truth.
@@TheTrinityDelusion The Helper will guides us into all truth for he will not speak on his own authority.
@@TheTrinityDelusion You cannot just expect some thing to lead you to the truth. You must seek the truth with all your heart and not to despise reproof
@@juanthefreak331 So you don't believe Jesus then.
I often come across this argument, I just show them where the apostle Paul said " I AM what I AM" and used the same words as Jesus "Ego-eimi" so does that make Paul God too, as his words are closer to their Ex 3:14 argument than Jesus words at John 8
Thanks a gain for the good work and study and ability Yah has given you in expounding.
God the father calls Jesus God he was talking to him. psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Your reading comprehension level is terrible. Who is speaking in the Psalm and who is he speaking about?
Spoiler: It's the anointed king of Israel on earth, not the God in the temple that no man can approach without going through that king anointed by God.
Everything was clear to me till the minute 25' where you said " God is Jesus Christ God ". I'm lost again.
you misses the sibilance of the "s" sound. He said "God is Jesus christ's God" the God OF Jesus christ. And now that I understand what is being said in scripture I will put a capital on a name or on God, but not on "christ" because it is not a name nor is it a title, but in Greek it means "anointed" so it is a descriptive word showing that Jesus is anointed, or "the anointed one" which also fits with this teaching, and to Deut18:18. Jesus is anointed by God, as the great preophet in Deut18:18, the seed of the woman promised in Gen3:15, and is the man that Peter tells us has been "made Lord and christ (anointed), in Acts2:36. All very clear and biblical. The son of God via Mary. the lamb of God killed on a passover. Who's blood is the covering we are invited to come under by our free will act.
I hope it is again clear to you.
@@ken440 yes it is clear again
Dear Kel. I have 2 questions please:
How do I have to understand John 10:30? "I and my Father are one"
And John 1:1-2 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. The Word is Jesus?
_My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand. _*_30I and the Father are one"_* - John 10.29-30
And now let's consider Jesus' words on the meaning of the oneness He shared with His own God and Father;
_Not for these only do I pray, but for those also who believe in me through their word, _*_21that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us;_*_ that the world may believe that you sent me._
*_22The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one;_*_ 23I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me. 24Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, _*_that they may see my glory, which you have given me,_*_ for you loved me _*_before the foundation of the world._*
_25Righteous Father, the world hasn't known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me. 26I made known to them your name, and will make it known; _*_that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them"_* - John 17.20-26~
How do you understand John 10:30?
Read John 17. We, Jesus, and the Father are all one in each other, tabernacled in each other according to John 17. In koine greek "εν" can mean numeric 1 as well as unity one, John 17 makes it clear the oneness Jesus speaks of is unity not sameness. Oneness is 1 and 1 and 1 = 1 and 1 and 1. Not 1+1+1=1(nor 3)
When I was thinking as 3 in 1 it wasn't comprehensive and my brain always had to do gymnastics. Now that I see Jesus only as the Son of God, but not God also... it makes way more sense to read.
Also, I feel the Holy spirit working in me. Thank you for pounding it over and over. Im a knuckle head...
many of us have been nuckleheads, I was for 38 years, now 4 years of understanding, just because I began reading for myself and asking God to show me what scripture was really saying. Amazing how the scales fell off, I stopped reading other peoples study guides which I had been doing all those years.
@@ken440 I think I may have lost a friend (who was raised Catholic, she left it for churchianity christiandom years ago) but believes she has truth in the triune three person way and reads a Bible that is mixed English with Hebrew. We have been friends for 3 years, we met on a then "Christian" site, now that site, they have gone the way of Hebrew movement and we did not. I have recently in early June, said no more to the Independent Baptist Church my husband I were going to. The friend had told me that I need to keep going because he is the head of the house but she thinks in the way of Triune.
I am not going to a church with those who believe in the wrong God and wrong Jesus, no way! He will need to do his own seeking just as we all must do. I did some hard time praying, that if it is the will of the Father, for my husband to hear the voice of his Son in truth, please prick his heart. Recently, my husband is asking questions, and I have shown him tons of verses. He has always been strong in saying there is only one God, he wasn't believing in a triune 3 in 1 all along, yet he didn't understand triune, nor understood that is what they believed. How many Christians are in these churches just following along with the narrative because they believe they are to have fellowship with the "brethren"? I think probably TONS!!! I did, and my husband too...he has now been home with me the last couple Sundays, the "pastor" has called, but friends we thought we had...they have not even tried to reach out. This is another part he is realizing, it was all lip service. A few people that we would get together with outside of church, they had told him, few months back, they thought we were being a little "legalistic" in areas (because we didn't do Christmas and other holiday church events). We both recognized they are pagan holidays for sometime. The setting apart has been more and more evident these days. Brother Kel has been great to do these videos, he repeats things often in the best places.
@@honeyspoonbeewrangler4550 sounds like you are finding truth.
Fellowship can be achieved with a few like minded folk and its not about simulating "temple worship" which is what a lot of churchianity is.
In 1st century they met in homes to pray, encourage each other and seek the Lords (Jesus, our head) guidance through the spirit (which you are sealed in as a believer), and keep each other on track, which all is what fellowship is.
If you want to get a good overview of scripture do a youtube search on "Administrations in scripture. tltf." and have a laugh at John Lynn's presentation style.
You could complement it with the bible back story (the bad news) by searching "supernatural, mike heiser" and listen to his lectures, but skip the parts later where he talks trinity.
Theres a lot of good teaching out there but i dont think anyone has the complete picture perfectly, so dont look for perfect teachers or "best versions". Seek and you will find, I did for last 4 years when i was finnally ready to stop letting preachers tell me what verses meant. Anything sounds weird, check it out in the Greek.
@@ken440 Agree about Michael Heiser. And I dont want to claim any denomination label, nor any mans creeds either. Even Unitarian has been corrupted with Unitarian Universalism.
Thank you for the reference, and for your time. Appreciated.
@@honeyspoonbeewrangler4550 yes its hard to tell folk who you are, and to say "im not trinitarian" straight away seems like i am a nay sayer. agree re the unitarian brand.
thanks. blessings.
Hello Brother Kel. You're awesome in presenting God's word. Do you have an email or some other format that we can converse personally? I'm hoping for your response. Peace and blessings
Great explanation thanks for upload
I prey that Yahweh helps get rid of the false pagan trinity from this world as fast as possible and Christendom will flourish
@@theguyver4934 I couldn't have said it better myself!!
@@elimason7954 - Amen
“Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is valid, because I know where I came from and where I am going." John 8.14
Thank you for the reasoning in John's gospel both before and after 8:⁵⁸. Particularly enjoyed the point that, later the same antagonistic Jews demanded he spell out plainly whether or not he was the Anointed of God. If they had earlier understood him to be claiming to be their God (8:⁵⁸) why would they later press him on Messiahship? (10:²⁴).
Just an observation. While the reasoning is enlightening, the laborious repetition of the same expression over and over (as if the more times a thing is repeated the more persuasive it becomes....is a "propaganda tool") can be quite off-putting. In any case the meaning of John 8:⁵⁸ is well paraphrased by the Living Bible (despite K.Taylor being a trinitarian): "The...truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born "
This claim to seniority over their revered Abraham and a claim to his prehuman existence (John 17:⁵) is what provoked their violent response.
It looks not only that trinitarians falsely claim they know what the Jews in John 8 thought Jesus was, but what is probably worse, they claim it's authority to them what these Jews Jesus called children of devil, didn't hear his word, claim.
Thank you so much. I finally reject the trinity (although it hurted me because sometimes it it not easy to admit that that I was wrong). You should debate Sam Shamoun.
what was wrong?
@@rickhuntling7338 Oh, hi there. I am currently not sure what to think about that topic. After becoming a Unitarian, I am Atheist now.
@@caesarius2004 too bad for you. You look smart enough to know that someone eternal need to make all that is made. your unitarian experience might be the blame. People that join cults with false doctrines fall away every time.
Me personally have had supernatural experiences with my GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. I no longer need to believe because I know HE is GOD as a matter of fact.
This Brother Kel looks miserable, pissed off at believers who don't accept his words but instead listen to CHRIST. He shames us for believing what the bible says. . If he is Unitarian fruit I see why you ran away. Perhaps you'll reach for HIM once again. Peace be with you brother.
PS, the test for the true GOD is the Spirit of Prophecy. HE's batting 1000. Get in the game on a winning team. ✝❤
@@caesarius2004 ruclips.net/video/CIB3IiUx7oI/видео.html the good news for you is this the true gospel❤️ God’s Love
SOME PEOPLE STUMBLE ON THE TRUTH AT LEAST ONCE IN THEIR LIVES,...MOST JUST DUST THEMSELVES OFF AND GO ALONG AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED.
They change the real God for a Lie and serve their own invented Jesus from the Councils of Men and that's whom they Worship another Gospel another Jesus and another Spirit.
And the Redeemer shall come unto Zion, and unto them that turn from iniquity in Jacob, saith the Lord. And I will make this my Covenant with them, saith the Lord, My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words, which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of the seed of thy seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth even forever.
🐟Isaiah 59:20-21 - GNV
🐟For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord❗🐟For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts❗
Surely as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither but watereth the earth, and maketh it to bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread unto him that eateth,
🐟So shall my word be, that goeth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I will, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it❗
🐟Isaiah 55:8-11 - GNV
You ever wonder why non trinitarians never talk about anything other than Jesus isn’t God? Try it out search for a born again non trinitarian and let them tell you about the process in which their Lord and Savior saved them. The non trinitarians seem to only speak about how Jesus isn’t part of the godhead.
Hope Brother Kel is ok! His teaching reached a friend of mine in Utah!! Brought him out of the harlot trinity teachings.
You better hope that he is ok, he isn’t far from Hell. You need to repent as well or you will be in Hell, the place that was designed for Satan and his angels
Be encouraged. Awesome . The reawakening guy I have met before, lets hope he can wake up too.
@@ken440 Here is the deal, Jesus Christ is God as he is involved in Paul's prayers. 1 Corinthians 1 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
So they are calling on the name of the Lord to be saved. So that means Jesus is God. Check and Mate. Jesus is not the Father, you have done nothing but disprove modalism which is another form of Biblical Unitarianism. Repent or Perish. Kel is getting older and descending to Hell don't go with him. The Unitarian Occult is real and nothing to be screwed with. ruclips.net/video/bl0J6d3YXv4/видео.html
Repent or you will be in Hell
@@thereawakening9475 Hell? You mean that place that the ancient Jews correctly understood as being beneath the earth’s surface where dead bodies go? Satan and his angels are not in hell, because they’re alive. They will be burned in the lake of fire on judgment day when Christ returns, along with every idolater and trinity believer. I suggest you repent.
@@lovethyneighbor6886 I will never stab my God in the back and turn my back on Jesus Christ. I will follow him into heaven. Here is the deal. I follow the author of life who died on the cross.
Acts 3:14-15
But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, and you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.
Jesus is the founder of our faith. He is the author of salvation
Hebrews 12
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
You call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to save you, therefore making him God.
Jesus is a creator.
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Colossians 1
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church.
Revelation 19
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
Jesus Christ is that word of God and everything was created through him and for him.
So therefore Jesus Christ is God, checkmate and repent or you will perish and be in Hell. Period end of story.
The Trinitarian apologists who preach to Muslims are some of the worst with this trinity business. There are many Muslims leaving Islam and either converting to this Trinitarianism or just becoming secular or atheistic.
Justas399 You obviously seek the approval of men rather than God. True believers do not care what earthly men might agree with them or disagree with them. They only seek to agree with God and His Son.
@@Justas399 Your own confusion does not amount to my error.
@@Justas399 " I have demonstrated with multiple passages of Scripture that shows that the Trinity is true and you nor your followers have refuted one passage"
No, you have just imagined in your deluded mind that you have.
@@Justas399 John doesn't say "Jesus is God" anywhere. Your confused imaginations did that, not John.
@@Justas399 "does John say the Word was God and was with God? "
He sure does.
"Does he not also say the Word (who is God and was with God) became flesh in John 1:14?"
No, he did not. Try again.
Amazing once again, thank you brother Kel🙏💟💯
Revelation 3:21 , applying false reasoning to scripture in defense of the Trinity Doctrine leads to this conclusion: eventually everyone who conquers in Christ will “ Be like God knowing good and evil” . Sound familiar?
if christians use the term son of god in its historical hebrew interpretation...then they would become unitarians. son of god = prophet. father = god.
I love this, because you have to say it over and over for people to get it. It's like taking a sledge thru a 4 foot thick concrete wall, it's a sledge, but the concrete is so thick it takes a minute..
It takes heaven and earth to pass away but his WORD will never pass away. The WORD was GOD and the WORD was with GOD two individuals in echad.
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
MATTHEW 7:21-23 ; Shame, (Repeat)!...(Oh Kay, HE Never `Knew` [Them] )!...ThanX, Praise & All Glory 2 Our LORD, Messiah/Immanuel, GOD Almighty!...AMEN ! Peace W/Hope, r.j.
Truth made clear.
Many thanks for truth
thanks for your insights, i enjoyed it very much! my small contribution: If Jesus had said "I AM THAT I AM" Then i would concede to them. "I AM" merely means Jesus meant that He was existing before Abraham. It's just my humble opinion, Thanks
I believe you are correct - in that the contextual evidence appears to support this conclusion
Even then, the words that he speaks are not his but the fathers who sent him.
Several times JESUS testified for Himself.
Jn. 8:14,18 Rev. 22:20, 1st Jn. 4:14
"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true." John 5:31. Okay, so you deny what Jesus said. And you don't know what to do with this because you have no idea what is going on here.
@@TheTrinityDelusion sir you have no ideal whats being testified for. JESUS said I AM believe it or not. I gave you scriptural proof being HIS testimony but you deny the truth. If JESUS didn't tell the truth HE is the I AM along with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT HE is a liar. You interpreted HIM a liar shame on you. My take on you is no different than a Muslim. JESUS was a prophet born of the virgin Mary. You are no better because your own testimony proves it.
JESUS glorified the FATHER and the FATHER glorified JESUS higher then any other. Philp. 2 puts your lies to rest. Wake up son and accept CHRIST for which HE claimed to be. You disgard the truth for lies, no truth in you. But we do still have hope you will put satan behind you.
@@TheTrinityDelusion if I tell you my name it's not my testimonial. I gave you verses that JESUS testified of Himself. What makes your cherry picked verse different than my cherry picked verses? JESUS even said the FATHER bears witness and HE bears witness for HIS testimony; Jn. 8:18. I know exactly what you got going on here and there's no truth in it.
@@rickhuntling7338
lol denial at its finest - Jesus says one thing and you claim the opposite.
Needless to say, we know full well who is believable, and no amount of crazy can change that...
@@smalltimer4370 Before Abraham I AM, so they picked up stones to kill HIM.
Jn. 1:1 The WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.
Let "US" make man in "OUR" image. So if nothing was made but through the WORD is JESUS created or the I AM that I AM?
Philp. 2:6-7 in the form of GOD, equal to GOD sounds like the "US" and "OUR" is the WORD YHWH and YHWH are "ECHAD" making Adam in the "BEGINNING" in their image.
How do you deny Rev. 1 "ALPHA and the OMEGA"?
So are you teaching in this video that because of your repetitive citation of Deut 18 I will put my words in his mouth, that when Jesus makes his mouth move at John 8:58 before Abraham was I am, and everywhere else in the New Testament that when Jesus’s mouth moves the Father is speaking? The Father was playing the role of a ventriloquist and Jesus is just the Father’s dummy? So according to your logic every time Jesus makes his mouth move the Father is the one who is speaking. So then when Jesus said in Mathew 20:28. just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”that was the Father saying he is the one to serve and to be killed for many? Or when he was on the cross and said Father why have you forsaken me it was the Father’s speaking to himself ? because you said many many times in this video “the words that I speak are not my own” “I will put MY words in his mouth “ wow what a ridiculous teaching.
Why don’t you teach John 8 through the lens of John’s prologue? Oh that’s right. You don’t understand what the prologue means.
I feel sorry for kel, as he is decaying and going to Hell. He is barely coherent
@@pwx13 come on man, regardless of the difference in our views let's not condemn one another for Christ does not condemn us
Bless u
@@markoleofirit3921 number one Kel is an unsaved little antichrist so calling him a fellow Christian is blasphemy, number two his father is the devil as he makes Jesus less than God and he worships Satan. the man is lost. You can't bless him by saying that he is saved. I honestly feel sorry for Kel but calling him a Christian is actually horrible. Paul lit up the galatians and Jesus lit up the pharisees. There is biblical grounds for lighting someone up. Using the bible to try to take away Christ's diety is such a reason.
@@pwx13 then if anything pray for him instead of doing the very thing that would only provoke further dissension
Even when Jesus was being persecuted he prayed that the people persecuting him should be forgiven. I know it's hard to care about someone u disagree with, but we aren't taught to condemn
We can never be sure of where we are headed.
"There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?" - James 4:12
our salvation is obedience in Christ, whether one teaches he was God in the flesh or he was not, our salvation is based on how we live our lives and show love to others who may or may not know Christ.
@@markoleofirit3921 we are to call out wolves in sheep's clothing though
You know, Brother Kel, another verse(s) I have heard some Trinitarians use to claim that Jesus admitted He was God is in Matthew 4:7 and Luke 4:12.
When Satan tempted Jesus and He replied, "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God", He was admitting He was God right there.
Some translations say you shall not put the Lord thy God to the test. The Israelites did that with God by doubting Him in the wilderness. What Satan is doing here is that he wanted Jesus to put his God to the test by seeing if He would send his angels and prevent Jesus from falling. We are not to play these games with God. It’s the same thing of you wanting to jump off a building to test if God is gonna save you. Also why would God need His own angels to help Him? 😂 Very basic verse, only idolatry could blind someone from understanding this.
Jesus comes in his Father's Name and Authority, this is why he can say I'm because it's not him speaking it's the Spirit of his Father Speaking through him, get the picture?
The Trinitarian Jesus is the Greek God Hercules - both Man and Divine, but we all know that the Scriptures say that Jesus is the Vine?
Excellent teaching my friend
Most unitarians interpret epi eimi as "I am He", you seem to be implying that the link to Exodus 3:14 is not invalid but that the Father Yahweh was the one speaking and doing the works and as the Father existed BEFORE Abraham and Jesus as you repeat told them it was not he Jesus but Yahweh who was speaking and performing miracles.
This had been my understanding as a Christadelphian (Ref Phanerosis by Dr J. Thomas ) but so many unitarians have said it does not point back to Exodus 3:14 that.I had started to change my view.
Bro Kel if you see this please reply
"many unitarians have said it does not point back to Exodus 3:14"
It's precisely flimsy exegesis like this that prevents people from taking Unitarian interpretations seriously.
Hey brother kel can you explain revealation 1:8 Jesus is saying he’s almighty and lord god isn’t he ?
Ill help you.. rev 1;8 is about God the father... just because its red doesn’t mean its Jesus.. bias.. read 1-8 and its clear..icant post its too much evidence.. fist line which GOD gave to him.. Father of Jesus later down.. its full of truth.
*Chris Fant* Do you say that Jesus's revelation from God is that Jesus is God?
Let's take a closer look;
𝟷𝚃𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚁𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚕𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝, ¹𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐠𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚠 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚛𝚟𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚖𝚞𝚜𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚙𝚙𝚎𝚗 𝚜𝚘𝚘𝚗, 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚕 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚜𝚎𝚛𝚟𝚊𝚗𝚝, 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗, 𝟸𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚝𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝙶𝚘𝚍'𝚜 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝, 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚊𝚠. 𝟹𝙱𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚒𝚜 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚙𝚑𝚎𝚌𝚢, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚔𝚎𝚎𝚙 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚠𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚗 𝚒𝚗 𝚒𝚝, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚍.
𝟺𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗, 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚊𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚖𝚋𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝙰𝚜𝚒𝚊: 𝙶𝚛𝚊𝚌𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚎, ²𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚂𝚙𝚒𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚛𝚘𝚗𝚎; ³𝟻𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚊𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚒𝚛𝚜𝚝𝚋𝚘𝚛𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚊𝚍, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚛𝚞𝚕𝚎𝚛 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑. 𝚃𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚖 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚞𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚊𝚜𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚞𝚜 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚜 𝚋𝚢 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚋𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚍; ⁴𝟼𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚 𝐊𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐝𝐨𝐦, 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐆𝐨𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐅𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫; 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫. 𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐧. 𝟽𝙱𝚎𝚑𝚘𝚕𝚍, 𝚑𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚌𝚕𝚘𝚞𝚍𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢 𝚎𝚢𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚑𝚒𝚖, 𝚒𝚗𝚌𝚕𝚞𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚙𝚒𝚎𝚛𝚌𝚎𝚍 𝚑𝚒𝚖. 𝙰𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚒𝚋𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚖𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚗 𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚑𝚒𝚖. 𝙴𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚜𝚘, 𝙰𝚖𝚎𝚗.
𝟾"𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙰𝚕𝚙𝚑𝚊 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙾𝚖𝚎𝚐𝚊," 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝙶𝚘𝚍, "𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙰𝚕𝚖𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚢." - 𝚁𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚕𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝟷.𝟷-𝟾
1. Who gave Jesus the Revelation in verse 1?
2. Who is the God, who is and who was and who is to come in verse 4?
3. Why is Jesus supplementary to the God who is, who was and who is to come in verse 5?
4. To whom has the God and Father of made a Kingdom of in verse 6?
5. And finally, why is the statement in verse 8 in quotations?
With that said, the claim that Jesus is identified as the Almighty is notwithstanding in this account, as the text shows that it is Jesus' God and Father who is identified as "the God who is, who was and who is to come" in verse 8 rather than Jesus Himself.
@@johnbee1069 thank you man this is such a great breakdown I finally get it now
@@ChrisFant
I would add one more detail, as the above mentioned may cause confusion in it's limited context;
And that is with the fulfilment of GOD's will through Jesus Christ - that is to say that it will be Jesus who comes in GOD's glory, and that it will be through Him that GOD will come, just as it was throughout the Old Testament with GOD's chosen one's; Prophets, anointed Kings, Judges, etc.
𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚂𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝙼𝚊𝚗 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚐𝚕𝚘𝚛𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎𝚕𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚛 𝚝𝚘 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚊𝚌𝚌𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚍𝚜 - 𝙼𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚠 𝟷𝟼.𝟸𝟽
Trying to compare with OT I am. ( i exist.. past present future. ) is an ACTIVE meaning. John 8:58 simple indicates ,, i came to be. A PASSIVE statement of time.
Two different personalities, two different times seperated by 2000 years, two different languages! King Jame translators playing with recently invented capital letters!
How are you gonna interpret
Hebrews 10:5-7
King James Version
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
If you're interested brother you should go look up his video on it
@@rock1474
I'm not really interested but just wondering how Unitarians gonna misinterpret this obvious verse of Jesus coming in his flesh.
The author of Hebrew likes to bring pieces of scripture to convey a message. The provision comes from here:
Genesis 22:8 KJV
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
then rest:
Psalm 40:6-9 KJV
Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. [7] Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, [8] I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. [9] I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest.
you can see here, no where is the writer trying to convey Jesus as being God but instead the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world...he writes like this so people will search out in scriptures truth to know that Jesus is that Messiah.
@@brothersofjesus
Care to explain why Jesus was send from heaven to do the will of God.
@@fancopy12 thats your interpretation... you assume when he comes into world means he came from heaven and entered..wrong..you also came into this world, from the womb of your mother...we know he came from the womb of Mary..
Jesus is the Eternal Word become flesh and so God in the flesh, receiving worship as God in the Spirit. It is of the devil to teach otherwise. Amen!
You are very confused. The “Word” in John 1:1 is not a person. God put His Words in Jesus mouth, therefore the Word became flesh. Jesus Is God’s Word in physical form because he spoke the Words of God, but he is not God himself. Repent and seek a relationship with Jesus.
Christ isnot impersonal Word of God but Living Word of God and is God and also the Holy Spirit of God is not impersonal force of God but is the Living Eternal God in us and interceding to the Father in, with and for us Romans 8:26-27.
They didnt clearly understand,, they clearly believed an apparent falsehood, as Jesus alludes by telling them they aren't getting it
right on
It’s amazing Kel how you can completely distort what is being said in John 8. You keep repeating the same verses (the words I say are not my own, I will put my words in his mouth) hoping it will make your case. The only thing you have done is make Jesus a dummy and God a ventriloquist. By doing this you claim it is the Father in Jesus who said Before Abraham was I am. But now you have a problem. When Jesus said “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I heard from God: this did not Abraham.”
John 8:40 is that the Father speaking inside Jesus and out of his mouth? But wait. What didn’t Abraham try to do?? The verse says “he (Abraham) didn’t try to kill me (Jesus) a man. So if those are not Jesus words but the Father’s,according to you (I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, the words I say are NOT MINE) then the Father must be a man according to your brilliant logic. What a bizarre teaching
I didn't say "My words are not my own." Jesus did. You obviously do not believe him.
@@TheTrinityDelusion I believe what he said. But you don’t.
Jesus said ““Jesus answered and said unto them, Even if I bear witness of myself, MY WITNESS IS TRUE ; for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye know not whence I come, or whither I go.”
Do you Kel -believe Jesus when he said his testimony is true? No you do not.
Jesus said “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.”
(John 8:24 ) Do you Kel-believe what Jesus said when he claimed the Old Testament title for God? No you do not.
Kel do you - believe what Jesus said when he declared he was with Abraham in John 8:40? “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I heard from God: THIS ABRAHAM DID NOT DO”. What did Abraham not try to do? Kill him. No you do not.
Do you Kel -believe Jesus when he said in John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am.”
Again this is the second time in this chapter that Jesus claims the Old Testament title for God. No you do not. Therefore you are like the Pharisees who didn’t believe him either. Shame.shame,shame.
@THE ALPHA
Please tell me what verses proves your statement
Please tell me what Jesus meant in his conversation with the religious leaders when he said in John 8:40 but now you seek to kill me.... THIS ABRAHAM DID NOT DO.
What did Abraham not try to do? If Jesus was created after Abraham how does that verse fit?
@@TheTrinityDelusion
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
It's impossible to read this verse and assume it's only the Father talking.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment-what to say and what to speak. (ESV2011)
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.” (ESV2011)
TRUTH RINGS TRUE.
Thank you
Just wondering... are there any videos here that explain your understanding of the Greek word "harpagmos" in Philippians 2:6. Many trinitarians use this to "prove" Jesus was always equal to God; Jesus didn't think it was wrong to "seize" or hold on the his equality with God? Thanks
𝚠𝚑𝚘, 𝚎𝚡𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖 𝚘𝚏 𝙶𝚘𝚍, 𝚍𝚒𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚛 𝚎𝚚𝚞𝚊𝚕𝚒𝚝𝚢 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚊 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚍, - 𝙿𝚑𝚒𝚕 𝟸.𝟼
3739 [e] Ὃς *hos* Who
1722 [e] ἐν *en* in
3444 [e] μορφῇ *morphē* form
2316 [e] Θεοῦ *Theou* of God
5225 [e] ὑπάρχων *hyparchōn* existing
3756 [e] οὐχ *ouch* not
0725 [e] ἁρπαγμὸν *harpagmon* something to be grasped
2233 [e] ἡγήσατο *hēgēsato* considered
3588 [e] τὸ *to* -
1510 [e] εἶναι *einai* to be
2470 [e] ἴσα *isa* equal
2316 [e] Θεῷ, *Theō* with God
Original Word: ἁρπαγμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: harpagmos
Definition: _the act of seizing or the thing seized_
Usage: spoil, an object of eager desire, a prize; _to seize, especially by an open display of force_
With that being said, and what's outstanding with this, is that the passage identifies Jesus as 'existing', as in 'in that moment', and who 'did not' (οὐχ) seek or consider equality with GOD a thing to be had(reached for, seized, grasped-for, etc).
ask yourself who in the bible did grasp at being equal with God?........
The devil, and the one he tempted, Adam.
Jesus the second Adam did not grasp at being equal with God, even though he was in the form (or image) of God just as the first Adam was. The first one created of the dust of the earth, the second one in the womb of the woman, thus fulfilling Gen3:15.
But this one went obediently through with Gods plan (where the first one didnt), so Phil2 is all about obedience and the comparisons between the first and the second "kings of the world."
The problem trinitarians have is caused by them inserting a pre conceived notion that Jesus pre existed into this scripture, even though it does not directly say anything about pre existence, and then saying "aha... see it proves Im right!"
@@ken440
The passage clearly states that Jesus was 'existing' in the form of GOD - and that He(Jesus) did not seek equality with GOD while 'existing' in that form.
@@SmalltimR comprehension of language my friend!
in the image of something is not the something itself. in the form of is just another way of saying the same thing.
scripture tells us Jesus had the "fullness" of the spirit (at his baptism it happened) and Jesus himself repeatedly points out he does and says only what the Father instructs him, and that of himself he can do nothing.😀
@@SmalltimR and the word"existing" is right there. Paul saying he Jesus was a living being right there in palestine, existing, alive, not pre existing. Pre existence is forced into the text.
Paul, Jude John etc all point out "in these last days false teaching will come." that was said 2000 years ago THESE last days. i.e. since then, not the modern notion of the tribulation period for last days!
we need to look over our shoulders now and then. the trinity is a lie.
Peter says it correct in Acts2:36, "..this man...was raised from the dead and MADE Lord and Christ, this Jesus you killed."
If we are to ask God for healing, what about Acts 3:6 where Peter uses Jesus name to heal? Shouldn’t we always use God’s name?
The order of operations tells us that we are to ask GOD(YHWH) in Jesus' name.
Jesus is now our High Priest - aka. intercessor, hens; _'the way to the Father'_
In John 8:58 Jesus was speaking for God, literally speaking God's word, God Himself told Jesus to speak these words to the
Pharisees. These words he spoke were not his own words from his own fleshly mind and thoughts, oh no they were God's words
God speaking through the man Jesus who was begotten from above, the first born of many brothers.
God Himself was reminding the Pharisees, through the words put in Jesus mouth that before Abraham was "I am", which is referring to God the one and only God, Yahweh, the one true God of which the Israelites knew through the Shamah, and the thousands of other scriptures that God is one and only one not three and that God is spirit.
No where in the bible does it ever mention a trinity or refer to God as three beings.
The Pharisees and the Israelites, the Jews, etc etc were awaiting the coming Christ, the anointed one, to come into the world at some point in history!
Well here is standing before them and God Himself was telling them and showing them very clearly that this man Jesus is the anointed one and God did this on many occasions, in fact if you look at all the encounters God, Jesus had with the Pharisees has showing them all the time continuously that Jesus was the Christ, the anointed, the promised Messiah.
The Pharisees knew what Jesus meant when he said before Abraham was I am, they knew beyond a shadow of doubt what it meant!
Jesus himself stated emphatically undeniably a multitude of times that he is not speaking on his own authority, the words that he speaks are not his own, but the Fathers who sent Jesus.
Kel is right this why later on like Kel pointed plain as day for anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear that the Pharisess said to Jesus just tells us plainly are you the anointed one. Are you the Christ, the messiah, the one promised, the one we know is coming at some point in history, are you him?
David was God's anointed, his Christ, so to was Jesus God's anointed, God's Christ!
Kel is exactly right, I will put my words in His Mouth and that is exactly what God did through the man Jesus, God's Christ, God's anointed one, God's first begotten son from above, who is our Christ, our Messiah, our Savior, our Davidic King, our High Priest, our Lord, our brother, and much
much more...
Thank you brother Kel for another great teaching from the one and only true God, Jesus Christs God and Father, our God and Father.
Blessings of peace, joy, and safety to you and all the brethren, in and through our Lord Jesus Christ, and our God the Father, the one and only God..
Amen...
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse! As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse!
Even an ANGEL from HEAVEN?? Wow. Such heresies. God would never send his angels to teach lies
@@juanthefreak331 But the Quran says so.
That's why it's there.
Mohammed's fake gospel came through an angel according to Quran
@@juanthefreak331 I’m pretty sure that verse does not mean good angels. There’s also the host of satan, the fallen angels who are at work. They all originated from heaven.
Hello Kel, long time no speak. I've got some more ideas on John 8:58 i'd like your thoughts on.
Could the claim in 8:58 by Jesus be referring to himself as the (future, because didn't happen until he was immortal) anti typical priest of the order of Melchizedek? Of course I don't believe Jesus pre-existed, you convinced me about that many years ago (to which I thank you).
Let's have a look at the original priest of the order of Melchizedek (I think it was Shem since he would still have been alive when Abraham was on the scene but as to the who it was it is not important for now). We know that this priest blessed Abram, and we also know that is it the greater who blesses the lesser (Hebrews 7:7). The Jews should also have known that the Messiah was to be (at some point) a priest of the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110), although Jesus wasn't this in the days of his flesh since immortality is a pre-requisite for being a priest of order Melchizedek. So when the jews ask Jesus about how he had seen Abraham despite not being 50 years old, is Jesus making some sort of reference to how the original Melchizedek priest had seen and blessed Abram and been the superior (or 'before' Abram) and Jesus is making the claim that he is (or rather will be) the true, antitypical Melchizedek priest, and therefore he is superior (or 'before Abram). We also know that Jesus spoke in parables to the jews, so we have to see what he was spiritually saying (especially in John's gospel where im starting to think nothing that Jesus spoke there was literal)
I think there is something here Kel, but it will take you to piece the full picture together. At the very least, it is another possible interpretation which doesn't result in Jesus being God or Jesus having to preexist. Making reference to Melchizedek, Jesus would have been claiming superiority over Abram which would certainly cause the Jews to pick up stones. Have a think and let me know your opinion.
The Bible gives substantial evidence to show that Jesus most likely existed in heaven prior-to coming to earth - see; Phil 2.6-7, John 1.15, John 8.23, John 8.58, John 13.3, John 16.28, John 17.5
Likewise the Bible also tells us that Jesus died and returned to heaven, which would not constitute GOD's mind, but moreso, as an identifiable person seated on GOD's throne.
@@smalltimer4370 Philippians 2:1-7 is talking about how we should look out for the interests of others, not ourselves. Paul then uses the example of Jesus, who despite being 'God manifested in the flesh' (which means he was the manifestation of the Father in the same flesh as we have) sought out the interests of others, not himself. Context.
The only thing that 'returned to heaven' was the Holy Spirit which Jesus had when he was baptised. The only thing which comes down from heaven is the Holy Spirit, which anointed Jesus at the Jordan. From that point on, he is a manifestation of the Father (up to when the spirit left him at the cross). Does he not say he who hears me, hears the Father? Does he not say if you have seen me, you have seen the Father?
You could also say that since Jesus was a direct creation of God (not born of the will of the flesh, Holy Spirit coming upon Mary) that Jesus returned to his place of origin, which was with the Father in heaven.
Men of the flesh are not going to find it easy to understand the words of the spirit. It took me a long time. I used to believe Jesus preexisted in heaven too. I was lied to, and showed verses outside of context. Almost nothing that Jesus directly says in the gospel of John is literal. The jews tried to literalise what he was saying - it got them nowhere. The disciples similarly struggled when trying to understand - it wasn't until later that the got it.
@@gustav1235
Let's consider;
*_who, existing_*_ in the form of God, _*_didn't consider equality_*_ with God a thing to be grasped_ - Phil 2.6
As can be seen here, the language used in the passage implies that a living being(or person) exercised discipline - see 'existing' AND 'didn't consider equality'. Thus attributing obedience and discipline to the son of GOD prior-to taking-on the form of servant and a man.
With that said, may I ask what motivated you to conclude that Jesus must have not existed in heaven prior-to coming to earth?
For example; is there a particular Bible passage of scripture that you would cite to conclude that it would better to conclude that Jesus did not exist in heaven prior-to coming to earth?
@@smalltimer4370 Hello
who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped...this applies to Jesus in the days of his ministry. He was God manifest in the flesh, that is he was the Father manifested in sinful flesh. He had the Holy Spirit without limitation (John 3:34) when the spirit came down from heaven at his baptism. This is my son, in whom I am pleased (to dwell).
Having all power in heaven and earth, he could have done whatever he wanted, yet he didn't. He always did his Father's will, not his own.
For example; is there a particular Bible passage of scripture that you would cite to conclude that it would better not to conclude that Jesus existed in heaven prior-to coming to earth.
Matthew, Mark and Luke make no reference to this. You have some scriptures in John, the gospel which emphasises that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, so of course there will be some allusions to the Father, who was tabernacling in the body of Jesus, existing before he came to Earth. But this does not mean Jesus existed prior to his birth. There is no specific scripture which references this, either in the NT, or in the OT. In fact Jesus isn't even mentioned by name in the OT. All you have is some verses which require to imagine that Jesus pre-existed. Take phil 2:6 for example. There is nothing there about Jesus existing in heaven, giving it all up, coming to earth. What you have is Jesus, existing in the form of God, yet humbling himself like a servant which is exactly what happened post baptism. 2 of the 4 gospels indeed start with the baptism being the beginning.
@@gustav1235
Just to be sure I'm understanding, your position is that Jesus who was in the form of GOD on earth, emptied Himself to take-on the form of a servant and the likeness of a man so that He could humble Himself onto death?
With that said being said, and as the account contrasts Jesus' initial form with that of a servant and a man, your proposed interpretation leads to question when Jesus was not a servant and a man on earth to qualify His initial form.
As for supporting evidence, and while it is true that there is no mention of Jesus by name throughout the Old Testament, the Bible indicates that Jesus' identify was suppressed in-part of the mystery of godliness and until His revelation to mankind.
In continuing and with respect to supporting evidence, I'd posit John 17.5, in-where we find Jesus citing experiences with GOD prior-to the founding of the world. Likewise, I'd also posit John 8.58, in-where Jesus claims to have preceded Abraham as as GOD's firstborn Son.
John's Jesus explicitly excludes himself from the Godhead in John 17:3, where he calls the Father "you, the ONLY TRUE God"; where he tells Mary he must ascend to her God and to HIS God (God cannot have a God); and when he says he's a man who hears and obeys God (God cannot obey God).
John's Jesus claims pre-existence, not deity. He is before Abraham and shares in God's eternal awareness, but he is not ontological God, as falsely claimed by Trinitarianism.
If Jesus is preexistant and not God, then who before His Incarnation? Oneness would say was the Father in flesh, Trinitarians, the Eternal God the Son/Word of God, JW's the preexistant Michael the Archangel, the Mormons, Lucifer's spirit brother become flesh. He receives worship so must be God incarnate.
@@brianguglielmin2873 Not the Father in any accurate biblical sense, but the Son of Man, Son of God (not "God the Son"), the Great Angel of Many Names, Yahoel, the Logos, the Pauline-preexistent Jesus who emptied himself via "the Kenosis" to take on the form of man, servant, crucified demon-deceiver and risen-victorious Son "at the Father's right hand".
He does not receive worship. He receives admiration and reverence. "Worship" in the KJV has the connotation of spiritual reverence and also of the kind of adulation proper only to God. The NT only assigns the first kind of worship to Jesus's disciples. The NT explicitly excludes Jesus from the Godhead, even in John's Gospel, where Jesus calls the Father "You, THE ONLY true God" (there's no room for the Trinitarian Son in Jesus's own christology); where Jesus tells Mary M. that he must "ascend to your God AND TO MY GOD" (God cannot have a God); and when he says of himself that he is a man who has heard and who obeys God's will and word (God cannot obey God).
If the NT Jesus is "God" then the NT would be replete with examples of prayer to Jesus AS TO GOD. There aren't any. All NT prayer is directly ONLY to God the Father-Creator. Jesus is mentioned only as a medium and intermediary to the Father, as in prayer "In Jesus's Name" and "through your Son, Jesus". The only NT prayer directed to Jesus is not directed to him AS GOD. It is only directed to him as God's agent and Messianic viceroy, as in "Maranatha"/"Come Lord" and in Stephen's death-prayer, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" ("Lord" not designating "Lord God", but rather "sovereign Lord/Messiah").
The NT Jesus is not "God", but rather Son of God, Son of Man, primordial Logos/Angel, kenotic martyr, Shepherd, Way, Bread of Life, Living Water, etc. ... but he is not "God".
Doesn't the word Elohim mean gods and El mean god? If your god is not plural, why is he referred to as Elohim rather than El? El is one. Elohim is plural.
Elohim is what is known as a naturally plural noun - whereas it's number is determined by the context in which it is used in
Brother Kel. That was an excellent video with great reasoning. I notice that you repeated the most coming rendering of this verse "before Abraham was, I am".
In a number of your videos you have exposed some of the ways trinitarian translators have construed a passage to fit their belief that Jesus is Almighty God.
Why do you seem to accept that "before Abraham was I am" is an acceptable rendering of John 8:58?
Some prominent trinitarian scholars such as Moffatt, Goodspeed, Barclay, even the Living Bible (surprisingly) do not accept the popular "I am" and prefer "I have been", or "I existed before Abraham was".
What is your opinion Kel?
He said, "I am" - ego eimi. It is basic Greek.
@@TheTrinityDelusion It is basic Greek Kel. I was thinking that one of the major issues with the "ego eimi" at John 8:58 is the context in which Jesus uses it.The tense seems to have been missed by most translators were at other places they do not miss it, for instance at John 14:9
"Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
The question I have is. Why do they not treat John 8:58 in the same way as they do other texts?
Where an action began in the past and is still current in the present the "I am" in Greek becomes "Have I been" (John 14:9) in English.
Do you feel that "I am" is a valid rendering of "ego eimi" at John 8:58 considering the tense?
If so. What was it that he was saying about himself, "I am" what?
@@TheCaledonianBoy The only reasonable translation of John 8:58 is "I am."
"I am the light of the world...... before Abraham was I am."
@@TheCaledonianBoy
I am "he" like its translated in 8:24 and 8:28
The "he" is UNDERSTOOD...
He's the same "he" as in :24 and :28... NOT God but the son of man...
@@TheTrinityDelusion You do not see a difference in the tenses of these two verses?
If we simply accept "I am" at the end of vs 58 then I am what?
What was he claiming about himself?
The Name of God -> I AM (EGO EIMI)
Four verses which show the correlation between The Name of God and 'I AM' (EGO EIMI)
(1) For many shall come in [My Name], saying, [I AM] The Christ; and shall deceive many - Matthew 24:5
(2) For many shall come in [My Name], saying, [I AM]; and shall deceive many - Mark 13:6
(3) And He said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in [My Name], saying, [I AM]; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them - Luke 21:8
We see this correlation in the Theophany in Exodus:
(4) And Moses said to God, Behold, I shall go forth to the children of Israel, and shall say to them, The God of our fathers has sent me to you; and they will ask me, What is [His Name]? What shall I say to them? 14 And God spoke to Moses, saying, [I AM] THE BEING; and He said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you. - Exodus 3:13, 14 (Greek Septuagint)
Compare Exodus 3:14 (EGO EIMI O ON) to Apocalypse 1:8.
The first ‘EGO EIMI’ (I AM) in The Gospel of John is The Lord’s dialogue with Saint Photini at Jacob’s well.
‘Jesus saith unto her, I AM that speak unto thee’ - John 4:26
Compare:
> ‘Therefore shall My people know MY NAME in that day, for I AM He that speaks’ - Isaiah 52:6
> εγω ειμι αυτος ο λαλων / ego eimi autos o lalon = I AM He that speaks - Isaiah 52:6
> εγω ειμι ο λαλων σοι / ego eimi o lalon soi = I AM that speak unto thee - John 4:26
@@silouanmathew6599 "I came in the name of my Father." - Jesus
Nowhere in Hebrew or Greek texts, is YHWH ever call-upon or identified as 'I AM'
With that said, many people today would take this even further by citing such titles as 'the Great I AM', in an effort to make the Bible say something it does not say - such is human nature - deviance and corruption being our sinful nature
Worse, we're suppose to take the words/actions of the pharisees ("liars") according to the trinitarian..
The Apostles never said such a thing but wicked men try to have it that way.
@@Justas399 Yes they did. So don't go around distorting what they said to suit yourself.
@@Justas399 You real need to stop fantasizing and get in touch with reality.
@@Justas399 Maybe you need to look in the mirror.
@@Justas399 Self reaffirmations will do you no good on that Day.
Where is Brother Kel??? Can anyone tell me?
So I have one simple question, does a non trinitarian worship Jesus, can he express himself in worship and thankfulness to Jesus, because the father has highly exalted him, so can a non trinitarian worship both the father and the son, Is there a video on this matter ?
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But sometimes they stop me from posting these teachings because it’s against their faith/belief.
Most serve their creedal doctrines rather than the Living God. And they will insist you get on the same bandwagon.
Before Abraham as an " annointed" leader...was God
So you don’t think Jesus is God but you have to admit he never gave into sin. So if God could achieve this with simply a man what the heck happened with Adam? What’s the difference between Jesus and Adam (before he sinned)? Did God figure out how to get it right, but he just couldn’t do it before? No, Jesus is God, who fulfilled his own purpose. You act like we can fully understand the being of God in this finite body. We won’t fully understand until we leave this body. When Jesus was baptized John saw the Spirit of God descend on him and heard the father’s voice. You won’t ever fully comprehend this while still in this body, in this world.
"No, Jesus is God, who fulfilled his own purpose."
You certainly aren't listening to Jesus. He stated just the opposite.
Great video, Sorry brother do you know about a biblical unitarian group called Iglesia ni cristo
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I do. Aren’t they more like Arian though?
@@Mikha335 sorry brother. I think they are like the Christadelphians. Only difference is they believe in a cosmic satan Christadelphians do not.
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It seems that they have 1 over them telling them what to think. Kinda cult like.
@@Mikha335 Absolutely it is this Manalo character who runs the show.
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Why did you ask?
Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. I rebuke u and at Antichrist spirit put some respect in the one and only God Jesus name. If it’s not then Your telling me there’s 2 Gods that God is okay with listen devil read the scriptures
God's God anointed God to be above God's peers?
I'm oneness, not Trinitarian.
Jesus didn't say they misunderstood him, he said they did not believe him.
The man/ flesh that God manifest himself in was the son, but the father was what dwelt inside.
The Trinitarians don't understand the duel nature of God, God and man.
Spirit and flesh, father and son
Here's a question for you.
If Jesus is GOD, then who is the GOD of Jesus in heaven at this time?
@@smalltimer4370 God is a spirit, the son is a man. The spirit in the son is God. So God became a man, God as spirit will always be in control of the flesh/man Jesus, who is now glorified. There are not different persons, but different manifestations.
@@benjamincrites3209
If we conclude that GOD is in all things, then the notion that GOD became a man seems rather obvious.
Having said that and quite obviously, this does not make that which is from GOD equal-to or GOD Himself, otherwise, everything would be GOD, and nothing would be distinguished.
However and as this is not how the Bible presents things, the question as to who the GOD of Jesus is in power remains - as in; who is the GOD Jesus is now calling His GOD in heaven?
Likewise, who was the GOD Jesus called His GOD on earth?
And finally who is the GOD that Jesus was with in heaven prior-to His coming to earth?
Or better yet and for the sake of transparency, who is the GOD from which Jesus came forth?
Therefore and with that being said, the Bible proves to be self-affirming when it comes to the written truth, as the answer to such questions are as obvious as they are true - in that the GOD of the word in heaven(prior-to coming to earth), as well as Jesus on earth and in power in heaven, is always the same - that is to say, YHWH GOD, who is the source and GOD of all things known and unknown - that GOD whom Jesus identified as His GOD and our GOD. The GOD of Isaac, Abraham and Jacob - the GOD who's name was revealed to mankind as YHWH for all eternity and all generations - the GOD who's face we will look upon once the curse is lifted - the GOD who will be all in all upon the restoration of His will through Jesus Christ - Amen
And that is the beauty and simplicity of the written ruth without the addition or removal of anything.
@@smalltimer4370 the man identified the spirit as God, just like God identified the man as his beloved.
Every human has body soul and spirit, the man Jesus had body soul and the spirit of God. The scripture uses holy spirit and spirit of Christ interchangeably.
That's what makes Jesus unique to others, The spirit of God was not just existing in everything including him, it is apart of who Jesus is.
As far as word, or logos, it was the "plan" and the plan was that God would be manifest in flesh.
@@benjamincrites3209
You don't believe the Spirit of GOD is a part of who we are also?
they were Judeaens who were biological Jews/Yisra'elis yes but they did not follow Judaism, they followed "the traditions of men" (pharisaism/rabbinicism) as well.
I AM (Gr. ego eimi) is the divine Name of God in the OT, first revealed to Moses at the burning bush (Ex 3:13-15). To the Jews, this was a direct, explicit, and unmistakable claim to perfect equality with God, as evidenced by their reaction (v. 59; see also Mk 14:62-64). John places special emphasis on the use of this Name to clearly reveal Christ as God. This divine claim illuminates Christ's authority even over death (v. 52), a power belonging only to God the Father.
lies - GOD's name was revealed in Exodus 3.15, as the account shows, He even stated it - 'that is my name'
Whereas the infamous 'I AM', which isn't even a good translation, was not His name at all, but a response to the children of Israel asking who sent Moses. To which GOD said, He would prove to be whatever He proved to be to Israel.
Look at all the disgusting people perverting GOD's good word to please Satan the devil.
Nowhere in scripture is YHWH GOD ever called-upon or identified as 'I am' by anyone, ever.
GOD declared His name for all eternity and all generations in verse 15 of Exodus 3, and it was not I am - or ego-eimi
Translation issues are a major concern
I am proud of Jesus, and I am proud of John 8:58. Glory to be the triune God. Thank you Jesus for rescuing me from my sins. Kel you don't need to burn in Hell forever. Repent or perish. Sin is serious.
Your self reaffirmations will do you no good on Judgment Day. And you should be ashamed of intentionally contradicting Jesus since he will be your Judge.
You should really stick to the Bible and stop spreading lies in GOD's name - the Bible gives very stern warnings on going against the Holy Spirit - and I fear the taking part of Satan's will could lead to such a sin ...
Here is the deal, you and Kel both worship the devil and you confess to worshipping the devil and you use Jesus Christ's name. The one you worship will one day devour you.
1 Peter 5 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Kel you will be unrecognizable in Hell and so will you John Bee.
Isaiah 66
“And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
I take pride in Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and my God as Thomas called him. He is my God as David called him. I worship him as the disciples worshipped him and Paul worshipped him.
Its either you worship Jesus or worship man. There is no in between. You are no different that the catholics who worship the pope. The only thing that changed is that your pope is Dale Tuggy. Catholics are Unitarian as they worship their priests and their popes, they don't worship Jesus. If they did, they wouldn't be worshipping pope francis. Pope Francis is no different than Sir Anthony Buzzard or Dr Dale Tuggy.
Repent or Perish. These warnings will not last forever at some point you will be judged to Hell if you don't repent.
@@pwx13
Since when is YHWH the devil?
Who is it that makes such accusations against others?
Who is it that calls GOD the Father the devil?
𝟷𝟽𝙽𝚘𝚠 𝙸 𝚋𝚎𝚐 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚋𝚛𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚜, 𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚔 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚒𝚟𝚒𝚜𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚘𝚌𝚌𝚊𝚜𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚜𝚝𝚞𝚖𝚋𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚊𝚛𝚢 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚌𝚝𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚗𝚎𝚍, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚞𝚛𝚗 𝚊𝚠𝚊𝚢 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖. 𝟷𝟾𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚜𝚞𝚌𝚑 𝚍𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚜𝚎𝚛𝚟𝚎 𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍, 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚘𝚠𝚗 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚢; 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚢 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚜𝚖𝚘𝚘𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚏𝚕𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚎𝚌𝚑, 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚍𝚎𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚒𝚗𝚗𝚘𝚌𝚎𝚗𝚝. - 𝚁𝚘𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚜 𝟷𝟼.𝟷𝟽-𝟷𝟾
𝟹𝙸𝚏 𝚊𝚗𝚢𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚝𝚎𝚊𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚜 𝚊 𝚍𝚒𝚏𝚏𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚍𝚘𝚌𝚝𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜𝚗'𝚝 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚜, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝙻𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝙹𝚎𝚜𝚞𝚜 𝙲𝚑𝚛𝚒𝚜𝚝, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚌𝚝𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚌𝚌𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚐𝚘𝚍𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜, 𝟺𝚑𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚌𝚎𝚒𝚝𝚎𝚍, 𝚔𝚗𝚘𝚠𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚗𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚋𝚜𝚎𝚜𝚜𝚎𝚍 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚊𝚛𝚐𝚞𝚖𝚎𝚗𝚝𝚜, 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚙𝚞𝚝𝚎𝚜, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍 𝚋𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚕𝚎𝚜, 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚎𝚗𝚟𝚢, 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚒𝚏𝚎, 𝚒𝚗𝚜𝚞𝚕𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚕 𝚜𝚞𝚜𝚙𝚒𝚌𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜, 𝟻𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚝 𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚘𝚏 𝚙𝚎𝚘𝚙𝚕𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚌𝚘𝚛𝚛𝚞𝚙𝚝 𝚖𝚒𝚗𝚍𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚝𝚞𝚝𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚝𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚞𝚙𝚙𝚘𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚐𝚘𝚍𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚒𝚜 𝚊 𝚖𝚎𝚊𝚗𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚐𝚊𝚒𝚗. 𝚆𝚒𝚝𝚑𝚍𝚛𝚊𝚠 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚜𝚞𝚌𝚑. 𝟷 𝚃𝚒𝚖𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚢 𝟼.𝟹-𝟻
By willingly spreading lies and oppressing others into false teachings, you prove to be of your father the devil rather than GOD;
𝟺𝟹𝚆𝚑𝚢 𝚍𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚞𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚖𝚢 𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚎𝚌𝚑? 𝙱𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚊𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚖𝚢 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍. 𝟺𝟺𝚈𝚘𝚞 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛, 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚟𝚒𝚕, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚠𝚊𝚗𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚍𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚛𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛. 𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚊 𝚖𝚞𝚛𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚛 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚋𝚎𝚐𝚒𝚗𝚗𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜𝚗'𝚝 𝚜𝚝𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚝𝚑, 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚗𝚘 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚝𝚑 𝚒𝚗 𝚑𝚒𝚖. 𝚆𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚔𝚜 𝚊 𝚕𝚒𝚎, 𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚊𝚔𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚘𝚠𝚗; 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚑𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚊 𝚕𝚒𝚊𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚒𝚝𝚜 𝚏𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛. 𝟺𝟻𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝙸 𝚝𝚎𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚝𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚖𝚎. 𝟺𝟼𝚆𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝚘𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚟𝚒𝚌𝚝𝚜 𝚖𝚎 𝚘𝚏 𝚜𝚒𝚗? 𝙸𝚏 𝙸 𝚝𝚎𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚛𝚞𝚝𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚢 𝚍𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚋𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚎𝚟𝚎 𝚖𝚎? 𝟺𝟽𝙷𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝙶𝚘𝚍. 𝙵𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚍𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛, 𝚋𝚎𝚌𝚊𝚞𝚜𝚎 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝙶𝚘𝚍." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟾.𝟺𝟹-𝟺𝟽
That is why you are obsessed with arguing rather than accepting GOD's teachings and commandments...
With that being said, and in accordance with Jesus' own teachings - 𝙼𝚊𝚝 𝟷0.𝟷𝟺
@@johnbee1069
2 Corinthians 11
. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted-you may well put up with it!
So right there you have been preaching another Christ who cannot save you.
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10
For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
So Paul called Jesus God. Isaiah referred to Jesus as Yahweh
Mark 1
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As it is written in the Prophets:
“Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.”
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”
Isaiah 40
The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
“Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make straight in the desert
A highway for our God.
Every valley shall be exalted
And every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight
And the rough places smooth;
The glory of the Lord shall be revealed,
And all flesh shall see it together;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
Yahweh is God right here, so Jesus is being called Yahweh.
To say that Jesus Christ is anything less than Yahweh, you are accursed.
Galatians 1
I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
To say Jesus isn't God, makes you accursed. Its either you believe that Jesus is God or you believe that you are God.
Your theology is more dangerous than Satanism as it can poison good fellowships. Look at Tuggy and Kel and Buzzard. They are antichrists who rise up out of Hell and polute the bible.
Here is the truth.
Revelation 22
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
So your salvation will be taken away if you don't repent and if anyone calls a Unitarian a Christian is welcoming Hell into their household and is very divisive.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The Bible is a two-edged sword. It's easy for false doctrines to arise by using only one edge of the sword.
*_'Let US make man in OUR image'_* - Said YHWH to His word
@@smalltimer4370 God was speaking in the plural first person. It's a plural first person pronoun.
@@glorifythyname7777
A plural first person pronoun would not challenge YHWH speaking to His word however - as that is exactly how it would read, as the creation of man encompassed the image of YHWH and His word, through whom all things were made.
@@smalltimer4370 how do you know God is speaking to Jesus? Jesus (The Word) is one with the father. Surely their thoughts are collective. It was spoken for our benefit as a record for what was said in antiquity by God.
@@smalltimer4370 John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
You believe that Jesus came from everlasting as I do too. Praise the Lord. So being that Jesus was begotten and not made, one being with the father, why do you not except that God is triune? Most Protestant denominations believe that God is triune with the exception of Jehovah witnesses, Mormons, and Oneness Pentecostals.
All of these denominations are cults. Does this strike a cord?
Thank you.
How Roman catholic the majority of christedom still is?
Can you make a video regarding the mark of the beast and the Book of Revelation in general
Bro I've studied this in-depth and could share what I've learned if you're interested. I believe you're on the right track with Revelation popping into your head as you see a video on the Trinity lie.
@@Ranger1985. sure thing bro
I believe the mark of the beast is related with the trinity idol, because a mark in a spiritual sense denotes to whom you worship.
@@lovethyneighbor6886 I do believe Trinitarians will fall hook line and sinker to the AntiChrist
@@lovethyneighbor6886 Matthew 16 18 “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. “ the interesting part about this passage is that Christ says the gates of hell will not prevail against his church this means that the church that Christ established will exist throughout all of time meaning in order for your belief system to be correct you must find it all the way through history our else then you are not apart of the church which Christ established. Meaning that if the trinity is wrong and your view of God is correct then you must find it all throughout history in order for it to be right. Our else you are not apart of the church which Christ established. This means you must find groups all throughout history that agree with you because if you are apart of the church that Christ established and his church will never disappear then your belief system must be all throughout history. Now this is an uncomfortable truth but it is true what you believe did not exist between 1000ad till 1500ad so it can not be the true church because the gates of hell prevailed against it during that time
Anen
At 9:20 of the video you put up a screen that says
“Before Abraham was I am. John 8:58
Do trinitarians say Jesus was testifying about himself?
Yes they do
“If I testify about myself my testimony is not true
How convenient that you forgot to mention John 8:13-14 “So the Pharisees said to him, “Now you’re testifying on your own behalf; your testimony is not valid.” Yeshua answered them, “Even if I do testify on my own behalf, my testimony is indeed valid; because I know where I came from and where I’m going; but you do not know where I came from or where I’m going.”
Wait, what? Did Jesus just contradict his own words at 8:54
Are you going to listen to Jesus and believe what HE says? - “MY testimony IS indeed VALID “
So now how do you harmonies these two verses in the same chapter?
Read the context of John 8:13-14.
@@TheTrinityDelusion
I did read the entire chapter for the context. The question is did you read it in context. Do you believe what Jesus said in John 8:13-14
“My words are valid “ No you do not. You completely disregard the genuine Jesus for the sake of selling your phony Jesus which you fabricated for yourself and your followers. Shame,Shame
In this whole chapter Jesus screams out that he preexisted and he comes out from the Father but you can’t bear to listen to his message because you are of your father the devil.
Why are you using John 14 :24 “ the words I speak are not my own “ which was a conversation with his disciples and inserting it into John 8 and trying to make it part it of the conversation in this chapter with the jews?
@@TheTrinityDelusion
Still waiting for your answer after 2 years. Please explain John 8:13-14. Jesus says his testimony IS TRUE.
your past response of “read the context” does not answer my question. Or is it that you have no response and that you have been caught lying to yourself, blaspheming Jesus and misleading your followers. Shame shame shame
@@randmanooooo What do you want me to comment on exactly? Were you hoping to claim Jesus was contradicting his words at John 5:31-32 or something? In the Gospel of John, Jesus does nothing from himself. He does not speak from himself nor do works from himself. He said so. Everything is the Father para the Son.
@@TheTrinityDelusion
No Jesus does not contradict himself ever. It is you who has a contradiction problem in your narrative. So let me restate my question. Please help your followers by explaining the contradiction in your proof text of John 5:31 “If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.”
and John 8:14 “Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.”
Also if you continue down to John 8:18 it also has Jesus testifying about himself along with the Father. “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.”
so again how do you reconcile your use of John 5:31 with the three verses I presented in John 8 that clearly show Jesus testifying about himself.
Ps 110........capital and regular letters...why?
have you found out why yet? check it in the hebrew wording.
Yes...YHWH is LORD.....YESHUA (jesus) is lord (lower case)
@@davidkarath6549 yep. YHWY in hebrew is Adonai, and any lord (the lower case variety, which could be a husband, a boss, a magistrate or a messiah) is Adon or Adoni.
im just spelling it out for those who read comments and believe God is speaking to God in psm110.
cheers.
My purpose was to get people to think...the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one...even the "church"...study is necessary...not just reading...shalom all...
Jesus came from everlasting. Do you believe that much?
I believe that to be true - though that would not make Him equal-to or GOD Himself however
@@smalltimer4370 what do the scripture say about Jesus Christ?
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
@@glorifythyname7777
As true as that citation actually is, this does not make the son equal-to or GOD Himself. Of which YHWH GOD establishes by His own declaration;
𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝐛𝐲 𝐦𝐲𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟; - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
Taking note that YHWH is not merely the Most High GOD by means of authority or title, but moreso, where YHWH is the one and only source of all things known and unknown - which would include, though not limited-to His word;
𝚜𝚘 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝐦𝐲 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐛𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐦𝐲 𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐡: 𝚒𝚝 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚞𝚛𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚎 𝚟𝚘𝚒𝚍, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚊𝚌𝚌𝚘𝚖𝚙𝚕𝚒𝚜𝚑 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚠𝚑𝚒𝚌𝚑 𝙸 𝚙𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚒𝚝 𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚙𝚛𝚘𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚛 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝙸 𝚜𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚍𝚘. - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟻𝟻.𝟷𝟷
And so it is from such declarations that YHWH GOD is established, and it is from such declarations that equality must contend with - as YHWH GOD is never once given anything by anyone, and where all things are due to Him alone.
@@smalltimer4370 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
God is triune. That is why in Genesis, God because to himself in the plural pronoun.
Let US make man in OUR image.
@@smalltimer4370 Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
The father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. The three are one.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The Lord our God is one Lord.

6:4 שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד׃
Tell us who you are instead of who you arent.
Well you quoted John 8:58 many times but as far as I can tell you never offered an explanation of those words. What else could Jesus be asserting here except that he came before Abraham? Since that is impossible it has to mean something else, but what?
its so simple sir. The subject they were talking about was the Messiah. Its in what this man here says. They are talking about the "anointed one" which Kel refers to here. Anointed is the Messiah, and Gods promise to Abraham was that Messiah would be from his (Abrahams) seed, offspring, children, lineage. So Jesus says the two words translated I AM (which is Greek ego eimi in the original scripture) which is an inclusive in subject. Everywhere else it is translated "I am (he) " which means he is the one they are talking about.
"What are they talking about in Jn8:58?"
They are talking here in Jn8 about their awaited messiah and Jesus said Abraham was pleased when he saw me (prophetically) and goes on after they twist his words to mock him, to say I am (that messiah).... "I am him" . "thats me folks." Its got nothing to do with saying I AM (from the burning bush fame) and capititizing the two words is a method of translators to suggest Jesus in this verse is saying I AM that I AM" from Exodus (to reinforce the concept of trinity) which is not the words of Jesus here in jn8:58, as this YT Video points out. Watch it through again.
Go back to Jn8:53, just five verses back. What does it say? "if I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you (pharisees) say "He is our God!" see, Jesus is saying God does these things and glorifies Jesus. Jesus says he can not and will not glorify himself. Its God, Jesus own God who Jesus worships and follows and is in touch with That Jesus says is their God and his, who anoints Jesus. i.e. Messiah.. Jesus is filled without measure with the spirit of God. Holy Spirit. Jesus is admitting to be the "anointed one" not the one who does the anointing. i.e. MESSIAH. We have been so brainwashed by what we have been told scripture says we dont read it as a logical whole, but expect some secret code to hide in individual verses and be put together across the bible like a Dan Brown novel, a code like a cryptic crossword. Where God intended it to be understood by simple reading comprehension of the masses.
For more clarity youtube search; Anthony Buzzard Jn8:58. Or Search; Simon Brown, jn8:58.
Why would it be impossible?
The Bible does not say this, nor should we.
With that said, I am in complete agreement that Jesus was saying that He was existing before Abraham, which works out perfectly with Jesus in heaven alongside His own GOD and Father prior-to His coming to earth. And so to that I say, why fight the natural reading of the text?
@@SmalltimR ha ha. because its not the natural reading of scripture.
why does jesus have to pre existed and come bodily from heaven? what is the logic?
remember the word to the prophets also came from heaven, every good thing comes from heaven, even our salvation.
Again why does the lamb of God have to actually be God?
@@ken440
*RE:* why does jesus have to pre existed and come bodily from heaven? what is the logic?
*A.* This is an odd question, though I'd add that it comes across as a deflection - ie, asking 'why' does not challenge the natural reading of the text.
*RE:* because its not the natural reading of scripture
*A.* Jesus referred to Himself as coming from heaven prior-to coming to earth
Likewise, the Bible identifies Jesus as 'existing' in heaven prior-to coming to earth and exercising humility and/or obedience to GOD.
And so here again, and if we are being completely honest with ourselves, then we have no good reason to conclude that Jesus did not exist in heaven prior-to coming to earth, or that John 8.58 would not appeal to such an arrangement.
*RE:* Again why does the lamb of God have to actually be God?
*A.* Here again if we are being completely honest with ourselves, the admission of Jesus existing in heaven prior-to coming to earth would not require equality with GOD - though I can appreciate why someone might argue against such a belief.
@@SmalltimR well to be fair there is no reading where Jesus pre existed in heaven.
He was born a son of God. We are born sons of God (new birth)
He was sent into the world. We are sent into the world (great commision).
He is not of this world. We are (now) not of this world.
He is a promised heir of Abraham. We are also.
He is the promised first raised from the dead. We are promised that yet to come.
The idea of jn8,58 saying he was alive before abraham existed, is fabrication within intended meaning.
To the woman at the well what did he say? (same two greek words ego eimi.) did he say I AM.??? The sacred name, or did he admit to the subject at hand, the awaited messiah?
Jesus Christ must have been acknowledgable as God. Because if we look at a man, do we acknowlage him as his body or his soul? For me, I acknowlage him as his soul, yet he is one with his body. But the soul is what lives on and therefore it is that person. The soul of Christ was the father, therefore when we see Christ we see the father. It's a simple concept that we are faced with everyday. If we separate the two it means we still dwell in our fleshly mind.
Yeshua isn’t YHWH. YHWH was “in” Yeshua. If you follow YHWH’s anointed one, YHWH will be in you too:
“15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” (John 14:15-17)
@@Mikha335 Isn't it the same thing? His flesh was not YHWH but he was YHWH in the flesh. I received the Holy Spirit after I received Christ.
@@Joseph-xg8ov Would not the fleshly mind try to separate the two? While the Spiritual mind acknowlages not the flesh but the spirit. This is why Christ can see every person and things that ordinary men could not, for he saw not the flesh, but only the spirit, for his indwelling was the father who is of spirit and absolutely devoid of flesh.
AndrewFerrer3d
No brother, it’s not the same thing. Yeshua’s own spirit was breathed into him by the same Being, who breathed Adam’s spirit into him. Yeshua as a human being - the second Adam, was anointed with YHWH’s own spirit like his father David, and as Peter later testified of him:
“Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the YHWH came upon David from that day forward.” (1 Samuel 16:13)
“YHWH anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for YHWH was with him.” (Acts 10:38)
Simply put, YHWH wasn’t Yeshua, but rather, YHWH was WITH Yeshua.
Yeshua proclaimed this himself after his reception of the Holy Spirit at his baptism. When he was in the synagogue he read from the prophet Isaiah concerning himself:
“The Spirit of the YHWH is upon me; because He hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. To proclaim the acceptable year of YHWH” (Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:18-19)
After reading this, he declared:
“Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” (Luke 4:21)
So no, Yeshua is not YHWH. Nevertheless, YHWH was revealed through the man Yeshua. To paraphrase:
Phillip says to him, “Teacher, reveal to us the Father, and
then we will be content. Yeshua answered him, “Have I been so long time with you Phillip, and your not yet convinced that the Father has sent me? He that hath seen my works hath seen the Father’s works. So how do you say, ‘Shew us the Father? Don’t you believe that the Father has sent me to do His work? I’m not doing these things on my own authority. Of my own self I can do nothing. These works that I’ve done are not my own, but the Father working through me is doing them. Believe me when I tell you that I am on my Father’s errand, or at least believe me for the very works' sake.” (My paraphrase of John 14:8-11)
Peace.
@@Joseph-xg8ov Yes!
John 10 John 1 read john not just the part of where you can explain the next video do it on John chapter 1 and John chapter 10
Does Kell believe that Jesus is from everlasting. I don't think so. Look at Messiah's spiritual lineage:
Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Without father and without mother. Sounds like God to me.
Shalom.
Let's consider;
_1For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace; 3without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God), remains a priest continually._ - Heb 7
Have you noticed the reference and context in the closing statement?
Paul references Melchizedek with regard to Jesus' own role as a High Priest, as he goes-on to say that Jesus had become a High Priest in like-manner.
In addition to this, and while we know Jesus had a Father and that His mother was Mary, that He was not born of the line of priests of the nation of Israel, and that he could not therefore have become a Priest by descent - 'just as it was with Melchizedek'
The Bible reveals that Jesus was specifically anointed by YHWH personally to His priesthood - 'just as it was with Melchizedek'
Furthermore, and as Jesus did not have any descendants or successors, He is therefore without genealogy, and will therefore carry-out his service forever - 'just like Melchizedek'
Therefore and all that being said, the contrast made between Melchizedek and Jesus Christ is both justified and explained.
@@smalltimer4370 Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
I understand rudimentally the point of the comparison. The the exposition of the priesthood
Is to highlight how certain characteristics of Melchizedek compared to the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no record of his death no cessation from his priestly office, and so a comparative is made to the Lord Jesus Christ, unlike other priests in the Bible. Hebrews 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
In reality we know that the priesthood of Melchizedek ceased upon his death, and that Melchizedek had a mother and a father. Therefore our emphasis is on the priesthood of our Lord Jesus Christ, who literally is without beginning of days or end of life.
Hebrews 7:15-16, 23 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
(Note the word 'another' )
@@glorifythyname7777
You don't believe Melchizedek was human?
@@smalltimer4370 the Melchizedek in Genesis 14:18 is used as a comparative analogy to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Although my understanding is rudimentary, I can clearly see the connection between Micah 5:2 and Hebrews 7:3
My original point was that Jesus is eternal and from eternity. Begotten and not made, which has been said repeatedly in the apostles creed (originally a baptismal creed) from the third century.
@@glorifythyname7777
Yes I get that, though you have not answered the question however, and so I'll ask again;
Do you believe the Priest known as Melchizedek in the Bible was a human being, or do you believe he was something else altogether?
I don’t understand u quote scriptures but u don’t wanna listen to the scriptures that say Jesus is God. You just have a ac spirit in u pray to Jesus and get that evil out.
Jesus used the divine name and applied it to himself and, when looking at the passage in its entirety (which you craftily did not include), made the claim that he was with Abraham and they both rejoiced in his coming.
The divine name was revealed to Moses centuries after Abraham had passed. Jesus rebuked them for their inability to comprehend the nature of what this claim meant and the many layers of significance therein, rather they just centred in on the statemen's blasphemous context in which jesus made the claim. This is then referenced by jesus as God's glorification of the Son. .....even as far back as the patriarch Abraham who only knew God as Elohim, never knew the divine name I AM, but Jesus says the patriarch knew who jesus was and the jews of jesus time did not therefore are not of abraham.
The overarching theme of the passage being that jesus doesnt glorify himself but God the Father glorified Jesus through the patriarchs and prophets..... and they understood who jesus was and who jesus is. To come away from that passage and suggest that, contrarily, it is a denial of the Son's deity is to be disingenuous at the best, and downright deliberately deceptive at worst. I pray it's not the latter.
It seems like you too have the same comprehension issue today as those jews jesus rebuked back them.
It's all very well you have your own view, but I cant help but feel that this is all deliberately misleading for purposes currently unfathomable.
It seems like you're suggesting that Jesus doesnt have a divine nature, and that the God's ontology is unitarian and exists solely in the Father, is that right? I dont wish to straw man your view, but that's what comes across.
With that said, what benefit is there to be had from Christ's crucifixion?
As sinless as Jesus of Nazareth is, the blood of a mortal Christ cannot save anyone from their sins. Only divine blood can do that.
Christ says that his blood will be shed for many, no man can atone for the sins of another never mind many.
"Brother" Kel is endangering the lives of the lost and the saved alike with this truly woeful false doctrine.
People stay well away from this guy.
"Jesus used the divine name"
There is no contextual reason to insist Jesus "used the divine name." You are simply imagining this notion into the text.
"and applied it to himself and,"
And the blind man in the next chapter "applied it to himself" too?
"when looking at the passage in its entirety (which you craftily did not include), made the claim that he was with Abraham and they both rejoiced in his coming."
No, Jesus did not claim he was with Abraham
@@TheTrinityDelusion "Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is 👉🏻my Father who glorifies me, 👈🏻of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father 👉🏻Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 👈🏻 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “👉🏻Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”👈🏻
John 8:54-58 ESV
The scripture speaks for itself. To try and make it say what you are suggesting is to commit literary fraud as well as present the fraudulent exegesis via hermeneutical somersaults
@@AquarianAgeApostle I see that you are not a mood for listening to facts.
@@TheTrinityDelusion the last resort of a man precariously clutching on to a weak and flawed argument is ad hominem attacks. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm just citing scripture and the facts speak for themselves.
You claimed that jesus never said that abraham rejoiced for jesus day.... so I showed you. Your deception exposed. You are a false teacher and a destructive heretic.
I'm done here with you. May God have mercy on your soul.
@@AquarianAgeApostle No you are not "just citing Scripture" but you insist you are. That won't make for any possibility of a rational discussion.
"You claimed that jesus never said that abraham rejoiced for jesus day"
Go back and read what was said again. Now you are changing the story.