Great job guys. I’m thankful for you guys and your families for doing this. The Latter Day Saints are so misled it’s difficult for them to see the truth even when it’s presented to them. Only God can bring them to His truth. Satan has blinded them to the gospel. Thank you for sharing the true Gospel of Jesus Christ with our Mormon friends.
I understand that we are saved by grace thru faith and not by works I'm not a LDS or a trinitarian I AM A ONENESS APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL the thing with the teaching of Paul is that people use his teaching more then what Jesus said to do Paul was not God himself the was manifested in the flesh of Jesus Christ Jesus told the disciples to go and do the works we as chirstans we must do according to what Jesus told us to do the works will come automatically just as these guys are preaching on the streets people have to stop worshiping Paul and start worshiping God again read the book of James he said I will show my faith by my works we are modern-day disciples and it's our Job to do the works for God's glory and not our own everything we do in word or deed do it all in Jesus name
@@dafnearrieta4203 no I did not say that Jesus became God God himself manifested in jesus John 1-14 God is one God who is who was and who is to come the almighty God bless every one who believes in our lord and savior Jesus Christ he is the way the truth and the life
Please notice there are many times in this conversation when the LDS sister is challenged with scripture from the Bible about issues with the BoM, she tries to give an answer by saying “I think that….” and “I feel that…”. These are subjective answers that are not grounded in objective biblical truth. Even the introduction to the BoM asks the reader to “decide for themselves if the book is true”. Thanks Apologia Utah for you love of Jesus in witnesses to these sweet LDS neighbors.
The only problem with saying that is that they (street preachers) say that they believe their "interpretation" is true as well! Plus if they really wanted to have a good conversation - they should first study the book of mormon (compare the 2) and then ask questions - instead of presuming anything. Many of these un assuming good people get trapped in these conversations - that basically says unless you repent or unbelieve - you aren't going to make it, or that your Jesus is a false Jesus (which there is no such thing). Only one Jesus! (however many different views of the details). However with that said most christians believe universally that Christ came and died for our sins (was our savoir, and is the "son" of God - the father).
Christians believe Jesus is eternal and always existed. He wasn’t a created being. Mormons believe that God is a created being, which would include Jesus. Does that sound like I’m speaking of the same Jesus? Absolutely not. We don’t do that with people so how can we with God. Thank you for your comment. God Bless you and have a nice day.
@@nute742I am trying to better understand your position here and wanted to clarify. What do you make of Matthew 24:23-25 where Jesus was speaking? “Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.”
@@alexandermclaughlin4346 No one is "created" (although I guess it depends how you define that, as many christians have arguments even on the meanings of the words). All of us (including God and Jesus) are eternal (always have, always will be).
@@DaleEarnhardt4ever That is true, many different preachers, sects and people will have a "diversity" of opinions and doctrines: (1) some say baptize, others say you don't need to (2) Some say trinity, others say they are individual Gods who work together (3) Some have different bibles with different numbers of chapters (protestant bible vs catholic, etc). I guess you have to trust in not just the word of god (but also his nature) and his spirit. A good scripture (James 1:5) is those who lack wisdom should pray to him for answers or even how to get them, or where to find them). However I do know God is not a god of confusion (and he knows there are many seeking more of his truth) Jesus himself said one faith, one people. Okay hope that answered your question, but let me know if not. Thanks :)
Justification vs sanctification. “This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?” Have you suffered so many things in vain-if indeed it was in vain?” (Galatians 3:2-4).
All we can do is plant seeds and try to have meaningful discussion with those in the LDS faith, and ask God to give the increase, for we will never be able to reason with, convince through logic, etc, even showing them facts, historical documents of the church that contradicts themselves and Scriptures, that would cause them to declare it false. It is a process of thoughts, reasoning within themselves, as they are taught to put something they do not know the answer to on their "shelf" and many LDS members who leave the church will usually have a list of things that finally "broke" that shelf. Until our Lord God calls them to him, they will not change. I find myself wondering and asking God at times, praying that perhaps when the rapture happens the the LDS faith gets left behind (along with the vast majority of the world), I pray and hope that they might actually understand what just happened, and realize their faith, their theology, was all based on a lie and deception, and they will embrace the true Scriptures (Bible) and come to the "traditional Christ" of the Bible, and abandon their works based plan of salvation.
If she really believes a lot of what she says she wouldn’t be able to stand it in the Mormon church. In that church there is never enough Jesus and Jesus is never enough!
“What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.” James 2:14-17 NASB1995
@@justinecamille7426 1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. Rom.11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office Gal.2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me Paul, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. Rom.2:16 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. Eph.3:3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ Jesus to Paul ba the revelation of the mystery hidden in God since begining-Gospel of grace to Gentiles-Body of Christ with inheritance in Heaven-instant salvation by grace through faith no works-raptured to Heaven Jesus to 12 apostles for 12 tribes of Israel-Gospel of the Kingdom-for covenant Jews a promise to be saved at Jesus 2nd coming and inheritance on earth Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
They know that works are important. Ephesians 2:10 says that we are created for good works. The thing is, works won't save us. Only what Jesus did on the cross saves us. Our works don't supplement His work on the cross. We do works after we're saved out of gratitude and a changed heart. We do works, and we believe in them. I hope that makes sense. Maybe that's the way you understand it anyway, so if I misread you, I'm so sorry!
Fake faith not given by God will not get you anywhere. This is true. Works are the outpouring of God, so that we may follow him in truth. Us trinitarian believing, reformed Christians love that verse ❤
The passage in James is often misunderstood. James is explaining that good works are the fruit of salvation, not the means by which salvation is received. He's talking about people who profess to be believers with their lips, but their actions say otherwise. A new heart will make you want to do good works. Doing good works doesn't give you the new heart.
What a wondeorful sister, and I think she did pretty well all alone talking to you guys, she has that light in her eyes about what she considers truth..
Absolutely I think she will definitely change her ways soon enough as long as she isn’t clouded by the LDS, I pray for her to find the real truth in the only truth, the Bible and not a fake prophet under the devils will
@@brandonw4800 Which of the many truths the Bible has to offer do you mean? Right, the one you imposed upon the Bible.. The Bible is above all a book from which to learn wisdom, instead of feeling backed up in ones own view to be the only one God is willing and capable to save...
@@isaiahh1119 If right works dont matter, then wrong works dont matter also, meaning, if a Mormon repents, he or she is saved... Even if being a Mormon... All that matters is that people repent and accept Christ... And doing that never leads to people having the excact same religion...
@@SimonDaumMusic no you’re wrong. Read scripture it’s clear that if you follow a false Jesus you won’t get into heaven. They don’t even believe the basics of the gospel. I’m sorry but Mormons are not true Christians.
We do, thousands. But this isn't one. She isn't with her companion and doesn't have a tag on. That's how you can tell. This is someone videoed without consent, this channel isn't a good source of truth.
She may have been a missionary in the past, but she's not on her mission now. She wouldn't be by herself, and she would have a name tag if she was on her mission.
It’s always sad to see Calvinism get in the way of true evangelism. The following 2 verses plainly, clearly and categorically contradict what these 2 well meaning evangelists were teaching: “you were also RAISED WITH HIM THROUGH FAITH in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He MADE YOU ALIVE together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings,” Colossians 2:12-13 These verses say 4 things: 1 FAITH precedes being raised to LIFE from the dead 2 This happens while we are dead in our sins and when we are ungodly. 3 This happens before God spiritually circumcises us and frees us from our bondage to the flesh and sin. 4 Ungodly Humans who are spiritually dead in their sins and who are uncircumcised and are thus still in bondage to their flesh/sin CAN HAVE FAITH. And Calvinists like R C Sproul say the KEY thing is: Regeneration precedes faith. “At the heart of reformed theology this axiom resounds: regeneration precedes faith.” R C Sproul “ARMINIANISM REVERSES THE ORDER OF SALVATION. IT HAS FAITH PRECEDING REGENERATION. THE SINNER, WHO IS DEAD IN SIN AND IN BONDAGE TO SIN, MUST SOMEHOW SHED HIS CHAINS, REVIVE HIS SPIRITUAL VITALITY, AND EXERCISE FAITH SO THAT HE OR SHE MAY BE BORN AGAIN. IN A VERY REAL SENSE REGENERATION IS NOT SO MUCH A GIFT IN THIS SCHEMA AS IT IS A REWARD FOR RESPONDING TO THE OFFER OF GRACE.” R.C. SPROUL (What is Reformed Theckogy?) Therefore the 2 verses I quoted from Colossians prove Calvinism is false.
You didn't disprove the reformed argument. God gives faith. Nowhere in the Bible does it say man can conjure a saving faith in God. God gives faith and regeneration. Man can boast in absolutely nothing.
@@leviwilliams9601Hello friend, May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly. I’m afraid you have misunderstood what I said and also the Reformed Doctrine. First of all, nothing I said would give man anything to boast about. Saying God gives men who are dead in their sins the ability to have faith in things doesn’t mean they can boast about it. That would be like trying to boast because one can see colours or hear music - they are all faculties/abilities which are given by God by His grace. So saying that I say men can boast is incorrect. It would be like me accusing you of something you don’t believe in: for example if I said you were a Muslim that would be ridiculous and there would be no useful point in saying that. And any communication between us would be pointless if either one of us is only going to accuse us of believing things we don’t. That would be infantile. Second - You don’t appear to understand the Reformed Doctrine of Total Depravity (also called Total Inability). This doctrine says that while man is dead in his sins he CANNOT have faith in God. But the two verses I quoted from Colossians states the complete contrary of that. So you can choose to believe the Word of God, or the traditions/doctrines of men. Which is more important to you: the man-made systematic of TULIP, or the clear Word of God? If you choose to ignore the verses from Colossians you will be just like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses who refuse to believe scriptures which completely contradict their manmade beliefs. I hope you don’t do what they do.
If you claim you can conjure faith without God, then that is definitely something to boast about. Faith has a biblical context. God saves us completely without our help.
@@SpielbergMichael Also biblically salvation is a process. You are not saved at one point in time. We are saved, we are being saved, and will be saved. That idea is the same book of the bible you quoted from. I was justified when Jesus died, before any decision I could make. I would die in my sin if God did cause me to persevere and reform to his image.
Yet again Apologia are criticising Mormons for believing baptism is an essential requirement for salvation. Don’t they read the Bible? Mark 16:16, John 3:5.
Ex-Sister Missionary, not current. Whether or not "Truth" was actually vocalized by the pastor is also very debatable. Title is misleading. Mark 16:16 refutes the entire first 20min of this video. I love how Calvinists always introduce themselves as Protestants or Baptists instead of just saying what they are. Embarrassed by your faith? Come to the light brothers! Set aside Calvinism and join the true gospel of Jesus Christ!
The great thing about Calvinism is we have a much higher view of God and a lower view of self. In Calvinism, all glory goes to God and none to us. Calvinists are protestants. A Baptist can be a Calvinist, and a Presbyterian can be a Calvinist, Just like a Baptist or a Presbyterian can be Arminian..
@@How.To.Get.Saved. As far as Calvinism having a higher view of God I would have to respectfully disagree. Calvinism doesn't believe in a God that is powerful enough to allow humans to have free will and still have His plan come to fruition. Not sure how that is a higher view of God. The point of the third paragraph wasn't that Calvinists aren't Baptists and/or Protestants. The point was don't hide what you are. There's a difference between a normal Baptist and Calvinist. It would be the same as if a member of the LDS church was approaching people just saying they're Christian with no precursor that they're a specific category of Christian. My point was just don't be ashamed of what you believe in.
@@whiteknight557 Also, Calvinists do believe that humans have a will. Where in the Bible it says that we have a free will that God has no say in. Just to let you know, there isn't any part of the bible where mans nature is not controled by either God or our sinful nature. You are either a slave to sin or to God. God is sovereign .
@@leviwilliams9601 I would pose a single question to you, what is the purpose of the Bible? Your response will most certainly stand as a witness to the answer of your question. As to your second statement I would almost wholly disagree and this statement basically answers your first question. God influences, he does not dictate nor decree. Calvinistic predestination is as false a doctrine as they come.
Galatians 1:8...End of story. ONLY Jesus is the way and what he said in the Bible...Not some human named Joseph Smith in the false Book of Mormon. How cant people see this deceit ??????
Apologia are hypocrites. They believe Mormons must convert to their version of Christianity to be saved. That's a work 🙃 LDS theology of a merciful God is beautiful and true.
I thought baptism was a required work for salvation. Mark 16:16, John 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21. But based on what Apologia is saying maybe Jesus got it wrong. No-one knows better than Apologia after all.
What gives you the right to tell your sister she needs to repent? Only Christ is your judge. Brother again I exort you to ask your Father which is in heaven if these things your expounding is truth with a sincere heart. Do NOT ask for a sign or same consequences that befell Nehor in the Book of Mormon will come to you which was horrible.
God gave his church the right to judge by his word and to judge rightly and not to be a hypocrite. Not that you cannot judge at all Also, these men are being incredibly gracious and kind to her. It is not loving to let someone willfully walk into hell and not do anything about it.
“After all you can do” does not mean that we pay for grace in any way. The original meaning of that phrase means regardless of what we do. We do not teach that our works earn our way into heaven.
Ephesians 2. Please read the whole chapter bro, not just proof texting. Mattew 5: 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye alove them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is prefect.
Then you do not understand Paul, bro. he was talking about the works of the law. The Moses law such as circumcision and not the Law of faith as in James 2.
I respect what you guys are doing and saying, but you need to dumb down your material a bit more. These people, a lot of the time, don’t necessarily understand scripture the way you think they do. They likely are not going to absorb the material by you just talking to them this way. You have to physically show them in the BofM and the Bible where they are wrong. Merely splurging out information like you did around 18:20, I can tell you she has already checked out, but she is being polite by nodding her head and listening. I’ve seen this with a few of your videos now. I guess just be careful of how much talking you do and let them comprehend what you’re saying more.
I’ll never understand how some not all Christian’s don’t lol understand the scripture if ye love me keep my commandments. Also, do some Christian’s really believe you can do whatever you want and be saved? Adultery, murder etc… and it’s ok not to repent? The savior commandment repent and be baptized. I think some Christian’s pick and chose scripture
When we get saved and born-again the Bible makes it clear we will still fall we will still fall because we are we have our own filthy nature we have to fight off every day but the difference is when we do fall we get convicted by the Holy Spirit and that's a good thing and it's not based on our goodness it's based on what Christ did at the cross it's not because we're good it's because he's good he paid the price that's why he says it is finished that doesn't mean we want to go out just live however we want we still want to be able to drive to have a relationship with him and not fall if we can but what happens is we will send a lot less when we draw closer to him
@@Nicky-hr1qz; But it's still rather confusing about the exact nature of the "works" James speaks of that all real Christians are obligated to preform as a validation of their genuine faith in Jesus Christ verses the "works" Paul speaks against. As Prostestant apologetic ministries like this seem to be saying that if one has a true faith in Christ, then the good works James refers to will then follow automatically. It's a though they're saying that God essentially picks up a Christian who has a true faith in Christ like a rag doll or puppet on a string. And makes them perform good works like some kind of involuntary physical reactions or something. Like you don't actually have to put forth a conscious effort of your own to do good works. God does them for you through your body like a robot. Is that what these ministries believe? If so, then while not a Mormon myself, I nevertheless find that totally unacceptable.
I love Jesus, therefore I will keep His commandments. It’s simple. It has nothing to do with gaining salvation. The unsaved do not love Jesus, therefore they will not keep His commandments, so clearly this only applies to the already saved. But no, we do not believe we can “do whatever we want and be saved.” Romans 6 actuality addresses that. The interesting thing about it though is Paul literally addressed the very conclusion you came to about our beliefs on salvation. Why is that? Chapter 5 before it is about now having peace with God because we have been justified before God by faith. People were coming to the same conclusion 2000 years ago, so Romans 6 addresses that. Why? Because that’s the gospel. It is by grace, through faith. It is not of our own doing; it is a gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. We’re not denying the importance of works. Ephesians 2:10 says we are created in Christ Jesus for good works. But works do not save us. Adding any requirement to receive salvation is another gospel that is condemned in Galatians 1. Does someone do nice things for you because they’re your friend, or so they will become your friend? The point about repentance he was making is that under Mormonism, there isn’t even forgiveness or grace unless you have completely stopped sinning in this life. As Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual chapter 14 puts it, “When we speak of the continual need of repentance, let it not be understood that we refer to a cycle of sinning and repenting and sinning again. That is not complete repentance.” The point of Spencer W. Kimball’s soldier story is that trying is not sufficient, which he also says in his book just prior to this example. Don’t try to stop a sin, just do it. No excuses, no going back it ever. As Spencer W. Kimball also says in his book on page 170, referencing D&C 82:7, “To return to sin is most destructive to the morale of the individual and gives Satan another hand-hold on his victim. Those who feel that they can sin and be forgiven and then return to sin and be forgiven again and again must straighten out their thinking. Each previously forgiven sin is added to the new one and the whole gets to be a heavy load.” And then on page 360 he continues with, “We can hardly be too forceful in reminding people that they cannot sin and be forgiven and then sin again and again and expect repeated forgiveness. The Lord anticipated the weakness of man which would return him to his transgression, and he gave this revelation in warning: And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God." (D&C 82:7.)” This applies to all sins. As is said in “Do You Know How to Repent?” 2002 by Elder Jay E. Jensen, “Another prerequisite or condition to repentance is to know that no unclean thing can dwell with God (see 1 Ne. 10:21; 1 Ne. 15:34; Alma 7:21; Alma 40:26; Hel. 8:25). You can hide sins from your bishop; you can hide them from your parents and friends. But if you continue and die with unresolved sins, you are unclean -and no unclean thing can dwell with God. There are no exceptions.” And to the other person, no, it’s not like a doll being controlled. Genuine salvation results in works because when someone is saved, they are a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), and as new creation, there is a desire to do works. There should be a desire to help people, and if there isn’t, that’s probably a sign the person isn’t actually saved, hence why James says in chapter 2 “I will show you my faith by my works.” But this isn’t as a means to gain something, and it is not God forcing someone to do works.
@@Liberator54321 you need to understand something you didn't understand something even as a born-again Christian those of us are born again nobody and I repeat nobody can keep the Ten Commandments nobody if you were pushing that that's a false gospel that's also an arrogant false gospel that cannot save you and does not line up with what the Bible says the Bible makes it clear we will fall we fall every day when you break one commandment you broke them all and we break them everyday cuz even though we're a new creature in Christ we still have to fight off her old sinful nature everyday we will send but when were born again Christian we start sending less but nobody can ever stop sending if you think that that's arrogance and also Jesus Christ would not have had to go to the cross of what he did at the cross would have been in vain that's what Jesus Paid the price cuz you could not pay it and eat it tonight and also it's not basing our goodness it's not based on our goodness it's based on Christ and what he did at the cross we are wanting to try to use the Commandments to try to strive for to guide and just right for yes but we nobody can keep them if you believe that then that's a false gospel cuz the Bible says otherwise
@@Liberator54321 Jesus fulfilled the law he fulfilled the law if you live by the law that you are rejecting with Jesus At The Cross and you will be judged by the law which means you'll face the Great Tribulation you'll face the great white Throne judgment as well you'll end up in hell since you're rejecting what Jesus did at the cross
@@daisybee1439 True, they are children of God, but he's referencing perils before swine. Jesus Didn't talk to Hared, and I wouldn't talk to these guys. So I agree with the first. These guys are so disingenuous, and they have been caught coursing their own congregation with secrete film.
When we came to the conclusion that we could trust the Bible and accept it as the infallible Word of God, it made a huge difference. We learned from it that what Mormon doctrine says about God is not the Bible doctrine of God. Mormon doctrine teaches that God was once a man who had a father-who had a father, and so on. According to the Bible, God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); there were no other gods before Him nor will there be after Him (Isaiah 43:10); the God of the Bible says that He doesn’t even know any other gods. (Isaiah 44:8). That should make it clear to everyone that God was not first a man who had a father before him and also that men will not become gods. Jesus, whom we had accepted as Mormons, is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus of the Bible is literally God Almighty, who became a man to redeem us (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6). We learned that He created everything, including Lucifer (Colossians 1:16), He is not a brother of human spirits nor a brother of Lucifer. He is the only Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). His salvation is a gift, so no one can boast of earning it (Ephesians 2:8, 9); but one must know Him, as John 17:3 says. If we do not know that He is God, we will die in our sins, as He himself said in John 8:24. Doing good deeds in Jesus’ name without having a relationship with the true Jesus Christ, will not benefit anyone (Matthew 7:22-23). We could also see that there is no second chance (for the dead), since Jesus said in Luke 16:26, when speaking about the rich man and Lazarus, both of whom had died, “that there is a great gulf fixed; so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us….” That means no missionary work on the other side. They cannot pass across that gulf. Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” After death comes judgment, not a second chance. Psalm 49:7 says also, “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, or give to God a ransom for Him.” Nothing we can do, after someone is dead, will help him. But the Bible says that we should “…exhort one another daily, while it is called Today….Today, if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts…” Hebrews 3:13-15). Our plea to you God’s way is very simple. If you would like to receive the truth, may we suggest that you go to God in prayer and tell Him that you want to denounce all false ways and false views of Him, which you may even have promoted, and that you now accept Him and His ways, and ask His guidance in understanding His Word, the Bible. Ask God to search your heart and help you to understand that you cannot earn your salvation, but that you will accept it as a gift from God, as Ephesians 2:8, 9 says. Recognize that you are a sinner worthy only of the judgment of God and that you now want to receive the true Jesus Christ of the Bible into your heart and life, for you now believe that Jesus has paid the penalty for all your sins, past, present and future-when, hanging on the cross, He declared “It is finished” (in Greek, literally “Paid in full”)-and that you now want to solely serve only Him. Ask God to help you to grow in the grace and knowledge of the true Savior, Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18). Amen. The One True God As Mormons, we accepted the statement in the Articles of Faith that says we “believe the Bible as far as it is translated correctly.” It started to bother us, because it seemed unreasonable to say that, yet not clarify where the translation might be incorrect. If the Church knew that it was incorrect, why didn’t the Church correct it? The LDS Church as an organization employs a large number of translators covering a majority of the world’s languages. The Hebrew text for the Old Testament as well as the Greek text for the New Testament are available, and even the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament. (It was translated from the Hebrew about 270 BC. Greek was “the language of the world” at the time. This Greek version of the Old Testament was in common use at the time of Christ.) Most of the quotations from the Old Testament in the Greek New Testament are from the Septuagint. It is quite obvious that the Septuagint, and thus the Hebrew Old Testament as well, are correct, since Jesus Christ quoted from them and by doing so authenticated them. On the road to Emmaus, Jesus said to His disciples, “O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken…. And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself ” (Luke 24:25-27). Notice that He started from Moses, i.e., Genesis, and went through all the prophets (in other words, the entire Old Testament), explaining that it all was written about Him. He did not mention any mistranslation in the Septuagint, or any missing books or mistaken scriptures. The Old Testament was complete in 400 BC and, as we have already mentioned, a complete canon in Greek (the Septuagint) about 270 years before Christ was born. Jesus himself assured us (Matthew 5:18) that “…till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle shall pass” from His Word until all is fulfilled. (A “jot” and a “tittle” are the smallest parts of the letters, like dotting an “i” or crossing a “t.” ) Heaven and earth have not passed away, so we have His promise that we can trust His Word to be correct and complete. When we came to the conclusion that we could trust the Bible and accept it as the infallible Word of God, it made a huge difference. We learned from it that what Mormon doctrine says about God is not the Bible doctrine of God. Mormon doctrine teaches that God was once a man who had a father-who had a father, and so on. According to the Bible, God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); there were no other gods before Him nor will there be after Him (Isaiah 43:10); the God of the Bible says that He doesn’t even know any other gods. (Isaiah 44:8). That should make it clear to everyone that God was not first a man who had a father before him and also that men will not become gods. Jesus, whom we had accepted as Mormons, is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus of the Bible is literally God Almighty, who became a man to redeem us (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6). We learned that He created everything, including Lucifer (Colossians 1:16), He is not a brother of human spirits nor a brother of Lucifer. He is the only Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). His salvation is a gift, so no one can boast of earning it (Ephesians 2:8, 9); but one must know Him, as John 17:3 says. If we do not know that He is God, we will die in our sins, as He himself said in John 8:24. Doing good deeds in Jesus’ name without having a relationship with the true Jesus Christ, will not benefit anyone (Matthew 7:22-23). We could also see that there is no second chance (for the dead), since Jesus said in Luke 16:26, when speaking about the rich man and Lazarus, both of whom had died, “that there is a great gulf fixed; so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us….” That means no missionary work on the other side. They cannot pass across that gulf. Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” After death comes judgment, not a second chance. Psalm 49:7 says also, “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, or give to God a ransom for Him.” Nothing we can do, after someone is dead, will help him. But the Bible says that we should “…exhort one another daily, while it is called Today….Today, if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts…” Hebrews 3:13-15). Our plea to you God’s way is very simple. If you would like to receive the truth, may we suggest that you go to God in prayer and tell Him that you want to denounce all false ways and false views of Him, which you may even have promoted, and that you now accept Him and His ways, and ask His guidance in understanding His Word, the Bible. Ask God to search your heart and help you to understand that you cannot earn your salvation, but that you will accept it as a gift from God, as Ephesians 2:8, 9 says. Recognize that you are a sinner worthy only of the judgment of God and that you now want to receive the true Jesus Christ of the Bible into your heart and life, for you now believe that Jesus has paid the penalty for all your sins, past, present and future-when, hanging on the cross, He declared “It is finished” (in Greek, literally “Paid in full”)-and that you now want to solely serve only Him. Ask God to help you to grow in the grace and knowledge of the true Savior, Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18). Amen. The One True God
Great job guys. I’m thankful for you guys and your families for doing this. The Latter Day Saints are so misled it’s difficult for them to see the truth even when it’s presented to them. Only God can bring them to His truth. Satan has blinded them to the gospel. Thank you for sharing the true Gospel of Jesus Christ with our Mormon friends.
I understand that we are saved by grace thru faith and not by works I'm not a LDS or a trinitarian I AM A ONENESS APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL the thing with the teaching of Paul is that people use his teaching more then what Jesus said to do Paul was not God himself the was manifested in the flesh of Jesus Christ Jesus told the disciples to go and do the works we as chirstans we must do according to what Jesus told us to do the works will come automatically just as these guys are preaching on the streets people have to stop worshiping Paul and start worshiping God again read the book of James he said I will show my faith by my works we are modern-day disciples and it's our Job to do the works for God's glory and not our own everything we do in word or deed do it all in Jesus name
@@HarryDennis-i2b if you say jesus was made flesh you have to believe in the trinity
@@dafnearrieta4203 no I did not say that Jesus became God God himself manifested in jesus John 1-14 God is one God who is who was and who is to come the almighty God bless every one who believes in our lord and savior Jesus Christ he is the way the truth and the life
@@HarryDennis-i2b yes of course God himself manifested in Jesus the verb made flesh
I’m glad her ride allowed her to wait and listen longer.
Love this conversation, guys.
Please notice there are many times in this conversation when the LDS sister is challenged with scripture from the Bible about issues with the BoM, she tries to give an answer by saying “I think that….” and “I feel that…”. These are subjective answers that are not grounded in objective biblical truth. Even the introduction to the BoM asks the reader to “decide for themselves if the book is true”. Thanks Apologia Utah for you love of Jesus in witnesses to these sweet LDS neighbors.
The only problem with saying that is that they (street preachers) say that they believe their "interpretation" is true as well! Plus if they really wanted to have a good conversation - they should first study the book of mormon (compare the 2) and then ask questions - instead of presuming anything. Many of these un assuming good people get trapped in these conversations - that basically says unless you repent or unbelieve - you aren't going to make it, or that your Jesus is a false Jesus (which there is no such thing). Only one Jesus! (however many different views of the details). However with that said most christians believe universally that Christ came and died for our sins (was our savoir, and is the "son" of God - the father).
Christians believe Jesus is eternal and always existed. He wasn’t a created being. Mormons believe that God is a created being, which would include Jesus. Does that sound like I’m speaking of the same Jesus? Absolutely not. We don’t do that with people so how can we with God. Thank you for your comment. God Bless you and have a nice day.
@@nute742I am trying to better understand your position here and wanted to clarify. What do you make of Matthew 24:23-25 where Jesus was speaking?
“Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.”
@@alexandermclaughlin4346 No one is "created" (although I guess it depends how you define that, as many christians have arguments even on the meanings of the words). All of us (including God and Jesus) are eternal (always have, always will be).
@@DaleEarnhardt4ever That is true, many different preachers, sects and people will have a "diversity" of opinions and doctrines: (1) some say baptize, others say you don't need to (2) Some say trinity, others say they are individual Gods who work together (3) Some have different bibles with different numbers of chapters (protestant bible vs catholic, etc). I guess you have to trust in not just the word of god (but also his nature) and his spirit. A good scripture (James 1:5) is those who lack wisdom should pray to him for answers or even how to get them, or where to find them). However I do know God is not a god of confusion (and he knows there are many seeking more of his truth) Jesus himself said one faith, one people. Okay hope that answered your question, but let me know if not. Thanks :)
Great conversation! The audio keeps going in and out which is making the conversation hard to follow.😀😇
Justification vs sanctification. “This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?” Have you suffered so many things in vain-if indeed it was in vain?” (Galatians 3:2-4).
All we can do is plant seeds and try to have meaningful discussion with those in the LDS faith, and ask God to give the increase, for we will never be able to reason with, convince through logic, etc, even showing them facts, historical documents of the church that contradicts themselves and Scriptures, that would cause them to declare it false. It is a process of thoughts, reasoning within themselves, as they are taught to put something they do not know the answer to on their "shelf" and many LDS members who leave the church will usually have a list of things that finally "broke" that shelf.
Until our Lord God calls them to him, they will not change. I find myself wondering and asking God at times, praying that perhaps when the rapture happens the the LDS faith gets left behind (along with the vast majority of the world), I pray and hope that they might actually understand what just happened, and realize their faith, their theology, was all based on a lie and deception, and they will embrace the true Scriptures (Bible) and come to the "traditional Christ" of the Bible, and abandon their works based plan of salvation.
If she really believes a lot of what she says she wouldn’t be able to stand it in the Mormon church. In that church there is never enough Jesus and Jesus is never enough!
The Bible says we are saved by grace through faith which must include good works. Ephesians 2:8, James 2:14-26, Matthew 19:17.
jesus is the one and only.
“What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.”
James 2:14-17 NASB1995
Works ≠ man-made doctrines
@@justinecamille7426
1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Rom.11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office
Gal.2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me Paul, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Rom.2:16 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Eph.3:3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ
Jesus to Paul ba the revelation of the mystery hidden in God since begining-Gospel of grace to Gentiles-Body of Christ with inheritance in Heaven-instant salvation by grace through faith no works-raptured to Heaven
Jesus to 12 apostles for 12 tribes of Israel-Gospel of the Kingdom-for covenant Jews a promise to be saved at Jesus 2nd coming and inheritance on earth
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
They know that works are important. Ephesians 2:10 says that we are created for good works. The thing is, works won't save us. Only what Jesus did on the cross saves us. Our works don't supplement His work on the cross. We do works after we're saved out of gratitude and a changed heart. We do works, and we believe in them. I hope that makes sense.
Maybe that's the way you understand it anyway, so if I misread you, I'm so sorry!
Fake faith not given by God will not get you anywhere. This is true. Works are the outpouring of God, so that we may follow him in truth.
Us trinitarian believing, reformed Christians love that verse ❤
The passage in James is often misunderstood. James is explaining that good works are the fruit of salvation, not the means by which salvation is received. He's talking about people who profess to be believers with their lips, but their actions say otherwise. A new heart will make you want to do good works. Doing good works doesn't give you the new heart.
What a wondeorful sister, and I think she did pretty well all alone talking to you guys, she has that light in her eyes about what she considers truth..
Absolutely I think she will definitely change her ways soon enough as long as she isn’t clouded by the LDS, I pray for her to find the real truth in the only truth, the Bible and not a fake prophet under the devils will
@@brandonw4800 Which of the many truths the Bible has to offer do you mean? Right, the one you imposed upon the Bible..
The Bible is above all a book from which to learn wisdom, instead of feeling backed up in ones own view to be the only one God is willing and capable to save...
@@SimonDaumMusicwrong! There’s one way… repent & believe upon Christ Jesus and you will be saved, salvation doesn’t require works.
@@isaiahh1119 If right works dont matter, then wrong works dont matter also, meaning, if a Mormon repents, he or she is saved... Even if being a Mormon... All that matters is that people repent and accept Christ... And doing that never leads to people having the excact same religion...
@@SimonDaumMusic no you’re wrong. Read scripture it’s clear that if you follow a false Jesus you won’t get into heaven. They don’t even believe the basics of the gospel. I’m sorry but Mormons are not true Christians.
I didn’t know the LDS had female missionaries.
We do, thousands. But this isn't one. She isn't with her companion and doesn't have a tag on. That's how you can tell. This is someone videoed without consent, this channel isn't a good source of truth.
She may have been a missionary in the past, but she's not on her mission now. She wouldn't be by herself, and she would have a name tag if she was on her mission.
So so good man!😊
It’s always sad to see Calvinism get in the way of true evangelism.
The following 2 verses plainly, clearly and categorically contradict what these 2 well meaning evangelists were teaching:
“you were also RAISED WITH HIM THROUGH FAITH in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He MADE YOU ALIVE together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings,”
Colossians 2:12-13
These verses say 4 things:
1
FAITH precedes being raised to LIFE from the dead
2
This happens while we are dead in our sins and when we are ungodly.
3
This happens before God spiritually circumcises us and frees us from our bondage to the flesh and sin.
4
Ungodly Humans who are spiritually dead in their sins and who are uncircumcised and are thus still in bondage to their flesh/sin CAN HAVE FAITH.
And
Calvinists like R C Sproul say the KEY thing is:
Regeneration precedes faith.
“At the heart of reformed theology this axiom resounds: regeneration precedes faith.”
R C Sproul
“ARMINIANISM REVERSES THE ORDER OF SALVATION.
IT HAS FAITH PRECEDING REGENERATION.
THE SINNER, WHO IS DEAD IN SIN AND IN BONDAGE TO SIN, MUST SOMEHOW SHED HIS CHAINS, REVIVE HIS SPIRITUAL VITALITY, AND EXERCISE FAITH SO THAT HE OR SHE MAY BE BORN AGAIN. IN A VERY REAL SENSE REGENERATION IS NOT SO MUCH A GIFT IN THIS SCHEMA AS IT IS A REWARD FOR RESPONDING TO THE OFFER OF GRACE.”
R.C. SPROUL (What is Reformed Theckogy?)
Therefore the 2 verses I quoted from Colossians prove Calvinism is false.
You didn't disprove the reformed argument. God gives faith.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say man can conjure a saving faith in God. God gives faith and regeneration. Man can boast in absolutely nothing.
@@leviwilliams9601Hello friend,
May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly.
I’m afraid you have misunderstood what I said and also the Reformed Doctrine.
First of all, nothing I said would give man anything to boast about. Saying God gives men who are dead in their sins the ability to have faith in things doesn’t mean they can boast about it. That would be like trying to boast because one can see colours or hear music - they are all faculties/abilities which are given by God by His grace.
So saying that I say men can boast is incorrect. It would be like me accusing you of something you don’t believe in: for example if I said you were a Muslim that would be ridiculous and there would be no useful point in saying that. And any communication between us would be pointless if either one of us is only going to accuse us of believing things we don’t. That would be infantile.
Second -
You don’t appear to understand the Reformed Doctrine of Total Depravity (also called Total Inability).
This doctrine says that while man is dead in his sins he CANNOT have faith in God.
But the two verses I quoted from Colossians states the complete contrary of that.
So you can choose to believe the Word of God, or the traditions/doctrines of men.
Which is more important to you: the man-made systematic of TULIP, or the clear Word of God?
If you choose to ignore the verses from Colossians you will be just like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses who refuse to believe scriptures which completely contradict their manmade beliefs.
I hope you don’t do what they do.
If you claim you can conjure faith without God, then that is definitely something to boast about. Faith has a biblical context. God saves us completely without our help.
@@SpielbergMichael I believe you are misusing the verses. The verses do not support the claim you made.
@@SpielbergMichael Also biblically salvation is a process. You are not saved at one point in time. We are saved, we are being saved, and will be saved. That idea is the same book of the bible you quoted from.
I was justified when Jesus died, before any decision I could make. I would die in my sin if God did cause me to persevere and reform to his image.
Yet again Apologia are criticising Mormons for believing baptism is an essential requirement for salvation. Don’t they read the Bible? Mark 16:16, John 3:5.
Shouldn't this sister be paired with another sister missionary?
She’s a returned missionary.
Mormon scriptures contain a lot lifted straight from the Bible.
Apologia says our works do not save us, The Bible says Matthew 19:17, James 2:24.
Ex-Sister Missionary, not current. Whether or not "Truth" was actually vocalized by the pastor is also very debatable. Title is misleading.
Mark 16:16 refutes the entire first 20min of this video.
I love how Calvinists always introduce themselves as Protestants or Baptists instead of just saying what they are. Embarrassed by your faith?
Come to the light brothers! Set aside Calvinism and join the true gospel of Jesus Christ!
The great thing about Calvinism is we have a much higher view of God and a lower view of self. In Calvinism, all glory goes to God and none to us. Calvinists are protestants. A Baptist can be a Calvinist, and a Presbyterian can be a Calvinist, Just like a Baptist or a Presbyterian can be Arminian..
@@How.To.Get.Saved. As far as Calvinism having a higher view of God I would have to respectfully disagree. Calvinism doesn't believe in a God that is powerful enough to allow humans to have free will and still have His plan come to fruition. Not sure how that is a higher view of God.
The point of the third paragraph wasn't that Calvinists aren't Baptists and/or Protestants. The point was don't hide what you are. There's a difference between a normal Baptist and Calvinist. It would be the same as if a member of the LDS church was approaching people just saying they're Christian with no precursor that they're a specific category of Christian. My point was just don't be ashamed of what you believe in.
@@whiteknight557 Please explain how reformed Christians do not have the Gospel?
@@whiteknight557 Also, Calvinists do believe that humans have a will. Where in the Bible it says that we have a free will that God has no say in. Just to let you know, there isn't any part of the bible where mans nature is not controled by either God or our sinful nature.
You are either a slave to sin or to God. God is sovereign .
@@leviwilliams9601 I would pose a single question to you, what is the purpose of the Bible? Your response will most certainly stand as a witness to the answer of your question.
As to your second statement I would almost wholly disagree and this statement basically answers your first question. God influences, he does not dictate nor decree. Calvinistic predestination is as false a doctrine as they come.
Galatians 1:8...End of story. ONLY Jesus is the way and what he said in the Bible...Not some human named Joseph Smith in the false Book of Mormon. How cant people see this deceit ??????
Apologia are hypocrites. They believe Mormons must convert to their version of Christianity to be saved. That's a work 🙃
LDS theology of a merciful God is beautiful and true.
This is wrong because Christians believe that it is God who changes the heart, not man (Ezekiel 36:26).
Christian we need to share the true God and Jesus Mormon people. They believe fault God and Jesus
I thought baptism was a required work for salvation. Mark 16:16, John 3:5, 1 Peter 3:21. But based on what Apologia is saying maybe Jesus got it wrong. No-one knows better than Apologia after all.
What gives you the right to tell your sister she needs to repent? Only Christ is your judge. Brother again I exort you to ask your Father which is in heaven if these things your expounding is truth with a sincere heart. Do NOT ask for a sign or same consequences that befell Nehor in the Book of Mormon will come to you which was horrible.
God gave his church the right to judge by his word and to judge rightly and not to be a hypocrite. Not that you cannot judge at all
Also, these men are being incredibly gracious and kind to her. It is not loving to let someone willfully walk into hell and not do anything about it.
“After all you can do” does not mean that we pay for grace in any way. The original meaning of that phrase means regardless of what we do. We do not teach that our works earn our way into heaven.
Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery. "Go and sin no more". Sounds like repentance and hard work to me.
Ephesians 2. Please read the whole chapter bro, not just proof texting.
Mattew 5: 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye alove them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is prefect.
Then you do not understand Paul, bro. he was talking about the works of the law. The Moses law such as circumcision and not the Law of faith as in James 2.
I respect what you guys are doing and saying, but you need to dumb down your material a bit more. These people, a lot of the time, don’t necessarily understand scripture the way you think they do. They likely are not going to absorb the material by you just talking to them this way. You have to physically show them in the BofM and the Bible where they are wrong. Merely splurging out information like you did around 18:20, I can tell you she has already checked out, but she is being polite by nodding her head and listening. I’ve seen this with a few of your videos now. I guess just be careful of how much talking you do and let them comprehend what you’re saying more.
Romans 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
@@ZelphBones You're right, but it doesn't work this way in today's world unfortunately.
I’ll never understand how some not all Christian’s don’t lol understand the scripture if ye love me keep my commandments. Also, do some Christian’s really believe you can do whatever you want and be saved? Adultery, murder etc… and it’s ok not to repent? The savior commandment repent and be baptized. I think some Christian’s pick and chose scripture
When we get saved and born-again the Bible makes it clear we will still fall we will still fall because we are we have our own filthy nature we have to fight off every day but the difference is when we do fall we get convicted by the Holy Spirit and that's a good thing and it's not based on our goodness it's based on what Christ did at the cross it's not because we're good it's because he's good he paid the price that's why he says it is finished that doesn't mean we want to go out just live however we want we still want to be able to drive to have a relationship with him and not fall if we can but what happens is we will send a lot less when we draw closer to him
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But it's still rather confusing about the exact nature of the "works" James speaks of that all real Christians are obligated to preform as a validation of their genuine faith in Jesus Christ verses the "works" Paul speaks against.
As Prostestant apologetic ministries like this seem to be saying that if one has a true faith in Christ, then the good works James refers to will then follow automatically.
It's a though they're saying that God essentially picks up a Christian who has a true faith in Christ like a rag doll or puppet on a string. And makes them perform good works like some kind of involuntary physical reactions or something.
Like you don't actually have to put forth a conscious effort of your own to do good works. God does them for you through your body like a robot.
Is that what these ministries believe?
If so, then while not a Mormon myself, I nevertheless find that totally unacceptable.
I love Jesus, therefore I will keep His commandments. It’s simple. It has nothing to do with gaining salvation. The unsaved do not love Jesus, therefore they will not keep His commandments, so clearly this only applies to the already saved. But no, we do not believe we can “do whatever we want and be saved.” Romans 6 actuality addresses that. The interesting thing about it though is Paul literally addressed the very conclusion you came to about our beliefs on salvation. Why is that? Chapter 5 before it is about now having peace with God because we have been justified before God by faith. People were coming to the same conclusion 2000 years ago, so Romans 6 addresses that. Why? Because that’s the gospel. It is by grace, through faith. It is not of our own doing; it is a gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. We’re not denying the importance of works. Ephesians 2:10 says we are created in Christ Jesus for good works. But works do not save us. Adding any requirement to receive salvation is another gospel that is condemned in Galatians 1. Does someone do nice things for you because they’re your friend, or so they will become your friend?
The point about repentance he was making is that under Mormonism, there isn’t even forgiveness or grace unless you have completely stopped sinning in this life. As Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual chapter 14 puts it, “When we speak of the continual need of repentance, let it not be understood that we refer to a cycle of sinning and repenting and sinning again. That is not complete repentance.” The point of Spencer W. Kimball’s soldier story is that trying is not sufficient, which he also says in his book just prior to this example. Don’t try to stop a sin, just do it. No excuses, no going back it ever. As Spencer W. Kimball also says in his book on page 170, referencing D&C 82:7, “To return to sin is most destructive to the morale of the individual and gives Satan another hand-hold on his victim. Those who feel that they can sin and be forgiven and then return to sin and be forgiven again and again must straighten out their thinking. Each previously forgiven sin is added to the new one and the whole gets to be a heavy load.” And then on page 360 he continues with, “We can hardly be too forceful in reminding people that they cannot sin and be forgiven and then sin again and again and expect repeated forgiveness. The Lord anticipated the weakness of man which would return him to his transgression, and he gave this revelation in warning: And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God." (D&C 82:7.)”
This applies to all sins. As is said in “Do You Know How to Repent?” 2002 by Elder Jay E. Jensen, “Another prerequisite or condition to repentance is to know that no unclean thing can dwell with God (see 1 Ne. 10:21; 1 Ne. 15:34; Alma 7:21; Alma 40:26; Hel. 8:25). You can hide sins from your bishop; you can hide them from your parents and friends. But if you continue and die with unresolved sins, you are unclean -and no unclean thing can dwell with God. There are no exceptions.”
And to the other person, no, it’s not like a doll being controlled. Genuine salvation results in works because when someone is saved, they are a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17), and as new creation, there is a desire to do works. There should be a desire to help people, and if there isn’t, that’s probably a sign the person isn’t actually saved, hence why James says in chapter 2 “I will show you my faith by my works.” But this isn’t as a means to gain something, and it is not God forcing someone to do works.
@@Liberator54321 you need to understand something you didn't understand something even as a born-again Christian those of us are born again nobody and I repeat nobody can keep the Ten Commandments nobody if you were pushing that that's a false gospel that's also an arrogant false gospel that cannot save you and does not line up with what the Bible says the Bible makes it clear we will fall we fall every day when you break one commandment you broke them all and we break them everyday cuz even though we're a new creature in Christ we still have to fight off her old sinful nature everyday we will send but when were born again Christian we start sending less but nobody can ever stop sending if you think that that's arrogance and also Jesus Christ would not have had to go to the cross of what he did at the cross would have been in vain that's what Jesus Paid the price cuz you could not pay it and eat it tonight and also it's not basing our goodness it's not based on our goodness it's based on Christ and what he did at the cross we are wanting to try to use the Commandments to try to strive for to guide and just right for yes but we nobody can keep them if you believe that then that's a false gospel cuz the Bible says otherwise
@@Liberator54321 Jesus fulfilled the law he fulfilled the law if you live by the law that you are rejecting with Jesus At The Cross and you will be judged by the law which means you'll face the Great Tribulation you'll face the great white Throne judgment as well you'll end up in hell since you're rejecting what Jesus did at the cross
Sister don't waste your time with pigs
These men are not pigs, they are the sons of Heavenly Father. We are all beloved children of God. 😀😀😇😇
@@daisybee1439 True, they are children of God, but he's referencing perils before swine. Jesus Didn't talk to Hared, and I wouldn't talk to these guys. So I agree with the first. These guys are so disingenuous, and they have been caught coursing their own congregation with secrete film.
When we came to the conclusion that we could trust the Bible and accept it as the infallible Word of God, it made a huge difference. We learned from it that what Mormon doctrine says about God is not the Bible doctrine of God. Mormon doctrine teaches that God was once a man who had a father-who had a father, and so on. According to the Bible, God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); there were no other gods before Him nor will there be after Him (Isaiah 43:10); the God of the Bible says that He doesn’t even know any other gods. (Isaiah 44:8). That should make it clear to everyone that God was not first a man who had a father before him and also that men will not become gods.
Jesus, whom we had accepted as Mormons, is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus of the Bible is literally God Almighty, who became a man to redeem us (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6). We learned that He created everything, including Lucifer (Colossians 1:16), He is not a brother of human spirits nor a brother of Lucifer. He is the only Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). His salvation is a gift, so no one can boast of earning it (Ephesians 2:8, 9); but one must know Him, as John 17:3 says. If we do not know that He is God, we will die in our sins, as He himself said in John 8:24. Doing good deeds in Jesus’ name without having a relationship with the true Jesus Christ, will not benefit anyone (Matthew 7:22-23).
We could also see that there is no second chance (for the dead), since Jesus said in Luke 16:26, when speaking about the rich man and Lazarus, both of whom had died, “that there is a great gulf fixed; so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us….” That means no missionary work on the other side. They cannot pass across that gulf. Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” After death comes judgment, not a second chance.
Psalm 49:7 says also, “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, or give to God a ransom for Him.” Nothing we can do, after someone is dead, will help him. But the Bible says that we should “…exhort one another daily, while it is called Today….Today, if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts…” Hebrews 3:13-15).
Our plea to you
God’s way is very simple. If you would like to receive the truth, may we suggest that you go to God in prayer and tell Him that you want to denounce all false ways and false views of Him, which you may even have promoted, and that you now accept Him and His ways, and ask His guidance in understanding His Word, the Bible.
Ask God to search your heart and help you to understand that you cannot earn your salvation, but that you will accept it as a gift from God, as Ephesians 2:8, 9 says. Recognize that you are a sinner worthy only of the judgment of God and that you now want to receive the true Jesus Christ of the Bible into your heart and life, for you now believe that Jesus has paid the penalty for all your sins, past, present and future-when, hanging on the cross, He declared “It is finished” (in Greek, literally “Paid in full”)-and that you now want to solely serve only Him. Ask God to help you to grow in the grace and knowledge of the true Savior, Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18). Amen.
The One True God
As Mormons, we accepted the statement in the Articles of Faith that says we “believe the Bible as far as it is translated correctly.” It started to bother us, because it seemed unreasonable to say that, yet not clarify where the translation might be incorrect. If the Church knew that it was incorrect, why didn’t the Church correct it? The LDS Church as an organization employs a large number of translators covering a majority of the world’s languages. The Hebrew text for the Old Testament as well as the Greek text for the New Testament are available, and even the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament. (It was translated from the Hebrew about 270 BC. Greek was “the language of the world” at the time. This Greek version of the Old Testament was in common use at the time of Christ.) Most of the quotations from the Old Testament in the Greek New Testament are from the Septuagint. It is quite obvious that the Septuagint, and thus the Hebrew Old Testament as well, are correct, since Jesus Christ quoted from them and by doing so authenticated them.
On the road to Emmaus, Jesus said to His disciples, “O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken…. And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself ” (Luke 24:25-27).
Notice that He started from Moses, i.e., Genesis, and went through all the prophets (in other words, the entire Old Testament), explaining that it all was written about Him. He did not mention any mistranslation in the Septuagint, or any missing books or mistaken scriptures. The Old Testament was complete in 400 BC and, as we have already mentioned, a complete canon in Greek (the Septuagint) about 270 years before Christ was born.
Jesus himself assured us (Matthew 5:18) that “…till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle shall pass” from His Word until all is fulfilled. (A “jot” and a “tittle” are the smallest parts of the letters, like dotting an “i” or crossing a “t.” ) Heaven and earth have not passed away, so we have His promise that we can trust His Word to be correct and complete.
When we came to the conclusion that we could trust the Bible and accept it as the infallible Word of God, it made a huge difference. We learned from it that what Mormon doctrine says about God is not the Bible doctrine of God. Mormon doctrine teaches that God was once a man who had a father-who had a father, and so on. According to the Bible, God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); there were no other gods before Him nor will there be after Him (Isaiah 43:10); the God of the Bible says that He doesn’t even know any other gods. (Isaiah 44:8). That should make it clear to everyone that God was not first a man who had a father before him and also that men will not become gods.
Jesus, whom we had accepted as Mormons, is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus of the Bible is literally God Almighty, who became a man to redeem us (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6). We learned that He created everything, including Lucifer (Colossians 1:16), He is not a brother of human spirits nor a brother of Lucifer. He is the only Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). His salvation is a gift, so no one can boast of earning it (Ephesians 2:8, 9); but one must know Him, as John 17:3 says. If we do not know that He is God, we will die in our sins, as He himself said in John 8:24. Doing good deeds in Jesus’ name without having a relationship with the true Jesus Christ, will not benefit anyone (Matthew 7:22-23).
We could also see that there is no second chance (for the dead), since Jesus said in Luke 16:26, when speaking about the rich man and Lazarus, both of whom had died, “that there is a great gulf fixed; so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us….” That means no missionary work on the other side. They cannot pass across that gulf. Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” After death comes judgment, not a second chance.
Psalm 49:7 says also, “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, or give to God a ransom for Him.” Nothing we can do, after someone is dead, will help him. But the Bible says that we should “…exhort one another daily, while it is called Today….Today, if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts…” Hebrews 3:13-15).
Our plea to you
God’s way is very simple. If you would like to receive the truth, may we suggest that you go to God in prayer and tell Him that you want to denounce all false ways and false views of Him, which you may even have promoted, and that you now accept Him and His ways, and ask His guidance in understanding His Word, the Bible.
Ask God to search your heart and help you to understand that you cannot earn your salvation, but that you will accept it as a gift from God, as Ephesians 2:8, 9 says. Recognize that you are a sinner worthy only of the judgment of God and that you now want to receive the true Jesus Christ of the Bible into your heart and life, for you now believe that Jesus has paid the penalty for all your sins, past, present and future-when, hanging on the cross, He declared “It is finished” (in Greek, literally “Paid in full”)-and that you now want to solely serve only Him. Ask God to help you to grow in the grace and knowledge of the true Savior, Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18). Amen.
The One True God
@@dafnearrieta4203 "infallible Word of God" tell me you've never read the bible without telling me you've never read the bible. 🤣
@@clearstonewindows Was that supposed to be an argument to what he said? Your false arguments and pride will not save you.