EX Mormon here and I can tell you that the spirit that I felt as an LDS member is completely different than the one I fill now. I was born and raised left before my mission. I am so grateful God opened my eyes and he can open your guises too, but you need to undo what you learned.
With respect, these girls aren't dumb, they are deceived. I was a mormon my entire life and it hear their argument. God still loves them, but these guys are absolutely correct.
I love how all of the apologia guys prey on the young LDS members, who stand their ground amazingly. If these guys brought this stuff up to a seasoned LDS member, they would leave dumbfounded at their own teachings. They try to approach things from an eternal perspective that no one knows of a certainty but can't understand the Doctrine of Christ. They have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.
@michaelnicholas5587 they talk to any random LDS members that will talk to them 🤣 the seasoned ones most of the time get escorted away or just refuse to talk to them
Praying that these ladies went home and remembered this conversation and started a journey to search for the truth 🙏 I used to be just like them. Steadfast in my LDS religion and wouldn’t listen to anyone who was in opposition. In my mind I had the whole truth and was part of the only true church in this earth, but my unanswered questions ultimately led to my own journey that brought me to Jesus ✝️💝 Praise God!
Awesome job guys. I will have to watch the whole thing later but I just went somewhere in the middle a little after the 30-minute mark where he was talking about Galatians. Real good response.
If you think you can trust your feelings, ask any divorced person if they loved or how much they loved their wife or husband on their wedding day. I bet their feelings after the divorce have changed. Feelings should Never replace facts, evidence, or especially the Word of God.
@@gigiis526 all I can tell you is what you said doesn’t make any sense and you most likely misinterpreted my comment if your take away from it was anything other than the exact example I was providing lmao
Sometimes "facts" depending on who gives them can be misleading (especially if its based on interpretation - like in the scriptures). Jesus himself said "blessed are tho thomas for believing (as thou seest me) but blessed are those that haven't seen and believed. Thus there are "various" layers and faiths. We could never grow if god gave us all the answers (like a cheat sheet)! lol. That is where faith comes in (which makes us work for some things, vs just being told).
Galatians 1:9 (KJV) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
What a relief that Apologia tell us that Jesus and Lucifer weren’t actually bothers….. just that Jesus created Lucifer. I’m glad they confirm that because I was worried.
Whenever Paul spoke about grace over works he was referring to the works of the mosaic law. For a true understanding the gospel also read Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25, James 2:24.
It's not about feelings, it's about understanding doctrine. What does Jesus want from us and for us? Do you believe you need to be baptized to be saved? That is a doctrinal issue, not a feeling thing. What is our relationship with our Heavenly Father? What is his relationship with Jesus Christ? Why did Jesus claim that there is one greater than himself? The guys in this video are predators that prey on the young and unlearned. If they actually talked to seasoned members, they would get shot down so fast their heads would spin.
In my humble opinion, if you put the doctrinal issues aside, the whole thing hinges on the validity of Joseph Smith and subsequent "prophets" being true prophets. The Bible says if someone turns out to be a false prophet, don't believe their words. If these prophets say things that contradict, the rest crumbles. And there are too many of those to list. Most LDS will dispute that and refuse to believe it, even when you show them, and start doing mental gymnastics to try to explain it away, so it's usually a futile effort, but it is what it is. From the start, Joseph Smith's own words don't even agree with each other. He said NO MAN can see God without first having the priesthood. NO MAN. NO MAN. NO MAN. That's pretty self-explanatory. Yet, he claims to have had the first vision of God and Christ before he even received the priesthood. And that's just one example! Like I said, most LDS will try to explain it away, but it's pretty clear.
It's real tough to break through ideology, I have thought an insane amount how to get through subjectivity to an objective structure of truth, it sounds reasonable, the problem is we are not often rational and we learn as Mormons to put more stock on our feelings than what the scriptures say so pointing at the bible as a mic drop doesn't land like it would to a bible believer I hope you guys have a lot of success, Utah needs a church that can catch Mormons as they leave and love them as they go down the rabbit trails, I felt so isolated and kinda crazy reading the Bible and book of Mormon in light of their historys, I can see why the Mormon church would discourage that, my worldview collapsed.
Many gentiles "reject" gods current revelations (and think Gods word has ended 2k years ago). However Gods words are endless, as is he (Its shouldnt be a concept) - but people feel threatened to learn more (because if they did, it would make them feel their beliefs weren't valid anymore).
@@gigiis526 They read both (and understand 2x as much or more) because they can cross reference (vs just rely on opinion) That is why exists 100s of different denominations (thus the need for continuing revelation) Amos 3:7
@@nute742Hmmm... Well, there's over 100 different sects of mormonism, so it doesn't seem like continuing revelation solved the problem. We Christians definitely believe in continued revelation! I've had prophetic words given to me by men of God many times throughout my walk with God. The issue isn't whether there's continued revelation. The issue is, any continued revelation MUST be in agreement with what God has already spoken since God doesn't change His nature, His standard of what is righteous and holy, and His word will never pass away. You can't look at Christians and say, "They don't believe in continued revelation." That would be a misrepresentation of what we believe. We just don't believe in continued revelation that contradicts or conflicts with what God has already spoken!
How often are you guys out on Provo Center Street? And what church are you affiliated with here in Utah? It's nice to see more and more believers outside my apartment in the evening.
The Book of Mormon on the cover page says that Jesus Christ is The Eternal God. Also Mosiah 15:1-4 says God comes down in flesh and tabernacles amongst his people. Even the Book of Mormon contradicts The Lds church. When Joseph wrote it he was very trinitarian. The LDS Corp is corrupt to its core. I used to be LDS until I was saved 2 years ago.
Yes it does. The BOM teaches a triune God. And I believe there are BOM verses that like the Bible deny plurality of gods. But LDS members try to step around this by saying Jesus is I Am and Jehovah and the God of the OT, and Heavenly Father is the father of our spirits. Hugely confusing theology.
If joel smith is a prophet why he contradict the Bible? You cam't join the ligth and the darkness, can't be satan and LORD JESUS be a brother! Can't either join evil and Holiness.. i think the only problem in mormonism is they believe that the book of mormons are liable or powerful that the Bible. That's very wrong! Thats proud in the sight of God😢
Smart ladies! (and very well spoken and respectful) Hopefully the street preachers will open their hearts (vs trying to prove others wrong, with their narrative) Like the ladies said - we all have some truths. So sharing them should be welcomed (in a respectful way of course).
But you say one thing is true, the Prophets and Apostles who wrote the Bible under inspiration from God disagree. Not everyone's truth is actually truth. Jesus said "sanctify them in truth, thy word is truth.". In that inspired truth we are told how to test if someone is speaking from God, wouldn't you agree?
@@ChristisLord2023 I don't think the prophets would disagree (especially on important doctrine) However all had their own style, viewpoints. Even the "gospels" had it this way. Perhaps each told of the things they needed to report on (and other prophets focused on other things). However with common sense and the spirit - we can discern what is really right, or wrong (or what is important or not so much).
@@nute742 so, when one prophet 2700 years ago reports the very words of YHWH "is there a God besides me? No, I know not one" and "I am the first and the last, besides me there is no God" 200 years ago someone comes along claiming that YHWH became a God, there were other God's before Him and we can become God's, you don't see a contradiction?
@@ChristisLord2023 Thanks for your reply and those are good points / questions. The "One God" thing is brought up in many religions (Amongst the Jews) and even in the Christian Theology that believes in the Trinity (3 beings .. making up "one god") etc. The wording and meaning can sometimes be tricky, because in the bible God (the father) and Jesus the son are mentioned "several times" as being separate. God (the "one god") Is our Father and his son and our savior /redeemer (Jesus Christ) his also a god in his own merits (the holy Ghost is also god) True they are "all gods" but referring to the "One God" that depending on the context it may mean God (the father). With that said our Lord (Jesus Christ) mentions there are "no other gods before him (meaning he is our only savior and advocate with the father). So the argument of "monotheism vs polytheism" can be "tricky" too (because obviously there are different actors at play (and each is a "god" in the sense) The word god (as in hebrew, greek) can mean both a "designation or role" as well as actual name! (so again I understand why people can get mixed up ). The god of the old testament that visited the israelites some say it to be Jesus! However Jesus many times testified of his Father! Okay hope that answers a few questions. If you like I can send over a few bible quotes (about the separation of these 2 beings) if that helps too! Okay take care and God bless :)
@@nute742 so in other words, you make any excuse you can to get around the truth. Every argument you posed has been thoroughly refuted yet you post a bunch to make it impossible to respond to on here. Then when I respond you will argue one point and then just keep switching. Pick one and let's discuss that, then move on. I'd say we go with who God is and who Joseph says He is. The argument against only one God that speaks of others is fallacious. Those were copying YHWH,not the other way around. We know those texts were translated correctly so that argument is false too. Why do you argue against God to defend Joseph Smith?
How ironic....the song I Did It My Way playing in the background the same time the LDS lady is talking about how her feelings affirmed the truth of LDS faith.
Why would he be resurrected already? Are you saying if a scan showed his remains were still there that would mean he didn’t really do more than anyone except Jesus?
Faith come by hearing and hearing(rhema) the word of God. Romans 10:17 We dont make decisions based on feelings but facts ie truth. The word of God is the Living Word inspired by God. It is our bread of life! "Having an experience " is exactly what the gnostics do and what the pentecostals and charismatics do. Signs and wonders is in many false faiths including hinduism with the kundalini spirit. Man perishes for lack of knowledge. In case you were wondering what it is like explaining to a blind man what the color white looks like ; try attempting to convince a spiritually blind person to rely on scripture alone and not experiences. It is more difficult convincing a false convert in a false religion than it is an agnostic who has not been indoctrinated. The book of mormon is not the bible. These people have literally been brain washed which is so sad and terrifying because they are going to hell unless God gives them the eyes to see and the ears to hear. . These young women arent really hearing the guys but they are remaining quiet while they talk and waiting to jump in and defend their false faith. I guess it is really scary when your truth is found out to be lies unless you actually really have a firm foundation in Christ and nothing else.
That God wants us to be like him is completely biblical; Matthew 5:48, Luke 12:32, John 10:34, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, 2 Corinthians 3:18, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 2:5,6, 1 John 3:2, Revelation 3:21.
Apologia says that Hebrews 1 says that Jesus was the last prophet. The Bible says Acts 13:1, Acts 15:32, Acts 21:10, 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 2:20, Ephesians 3:5, Ephesians 4:11. Apologia don’t know the Bible, The Lord’s church or the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Hmmmm? Galatians 1:8.
It just kind of annoys be when sceipturebis in your face straight and there same reply is that's your interpretation.. No read ut yourself how else wouldbyou interrupt that?
Apologia is quoting John 16:13 which says the Spirit will guide you into all truth. How can we rely on that when Apologia say we can only rely on the written word of God? Which is it guys? Galatians 1:8.
@@hopeinHim5160 I’ve done both. If you’ve ever felt the Holy Ghost bear witness that something is true you would recognise that it most certainly is the “more sure word of prophecy.” 2 Peter 1:19. Apologia could certainly never rely on that witness because it never would endorse their church. It’s just not there for them.
(1) LDS is rooted in gnosticism and it is still very gnostic . (2) Joseph Smith was proven to be a false prophet (failed prophecies) (3) John 1:1 contradicts the demonic lds jesus. The definition of the lds jesus and God is not according to the bible. (4) lds faith is works righteous. It is grace plus works.
Apologia are spouting such false nonsense saying that Peter, James and John would have lost their priesthood when they died because of what it says in Hebrews. They also say that Hebrews says Jesus was the last prophet but Acts 13:1, Acts 15:32, Acts 21:10, 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 2:20, Ephesians 3:5, Ephesians 4:11.
You guys are amazing and have such patience. These girls have very little understanding of their own doctrine it seems, and just go by I think …,and I feel… It’s always interesting to me that LDS people even bother to call The Bible, The Word of God. How can God’s word be corrupted? If something has been corrupted then it’s not from God and no longer is The actual Word of God. Why then do they even pretend to follow something if it’s so corrupted? So that they can just twist it into something it’s not, in order to validate all the points that suit them? She pretty much said the Book of Mormon plus her subjective feelings trump The Bible, so this makes it easy for them to ignore the fact that The Bible is totally different to Their false Gospel. I will pray for them…. if they do read The Bible as a child hope that they make it the ESV or something else not King James… I don’t want to sound mean but they sound like they need something simple. One of them said she can’t read the OT cause she doesn’t understand it 😳 And made a comment about how surprised she was at how similar Christianity is to Judaism??? 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Praying for them.
It's not about feelings, it's about reason. These guys attack the ladies over the LDS gospel changing as with blacks and the priesthood, but what about in the Bible how at one time the gospel was only for the Jews, but then became for the Gentiles also. The one gentleman refers to Genesis 3 and the serpent deceiving Eve and telling her that they could know good from evil and that that was a lie. But in verse 22 we read this: And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever. First off, who is God talking to? Who else was like him that he was talking to and said "the man is become as one of us..." Why are the accounts in Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 5:3 virtually the same verbiage? Can we see a correlation there? I could go on about the several things I have heard these guys teach in other videos that contradict the Doctrine of Christ, but I will leave that open to anyone who would like to converse on that.
The serpent told then they would be like gods knowing good and evil, he lied to them and told them they would not die. The mormon church tells them the same thing they will be like God, they will be gods! The Muslims says God did not tell them they would die, same as the serpent. We believe the Holy Bible and no other book or gospel. Over 5,000 manuscripts that agree with each other 99.98% of the time. NT. Adam and Eve died spiritually and several hundred years later they died physically. All people after that die, we must be born again so we can be born again spiritually so when this body of flesh dies we will go to be with the Lord. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternally life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6.23
Daniel 9:24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place." Danial prophesied that in 490 years to bring an end to prophecy. so, there are no modern day prophets because when Christ brought in the new covenant (everlasting righteousness) vision and prophecy were sealed up or put to an end. therefore ANY man who claims to be a prophet after the holy city was was destroyed, is a liar. the holy city was destroyed in AD 70.
Lds members have the gift of the holy ghost . So how can it be about trusting their feelings ? Nothing to do with their feelings. Everything to do with the holy ghost
I guess the other "title" could be if the street preachers could "trust" their own interpretations of the scriptures? (As we have hundreds of different sects with different opinions on lots of doctrine ranging from baptism - to the nature of god) Okay food for thought :)
So the young lady says that it is more beneficial to talk about feelings and experiences than discussing direct straight forward scripture is a waste of time.
This guys false teachings totally rebukes the fact that when the two disciples were on the road to Damascus and they talked with a man, and they knew not who he was. They said "did not our heart within a burn?" This "pastor" Is empty flesh. He knows not the mind nor will of God that he proclaims to profess. Pride cometh before the fall. And it will surely come. I feel sorry for the loss souls that are duped by this guy.
"Can the LDS trust their feelings" what a ridiculous question! These modern Pharisees should read "Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?" These men felt something in hearts before they knew it was Jesus who walked with them. "Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God." I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEIR VIDEO THEY'RE DELUSIONAL "2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." ENOUGH SAID.
Every false religion has rejected Jesus Christ as God Almighty. After you reject Jesus as God you have rejected the Holy Spirit of truth and you will be led by feelings and lies into all false worship. Hebrews 1 The Holy Bible is the word of God and in John 1 it tells us that the Word was made flesh and was God.
But 1 Corinthians 12:3 doesn’t say we can know Jesus is Lord by the written word of God but by the Holy Ghost. How would that present itself to us other than by our feeling something. Apologia deny the Holy Ghost.
Paul is never comparing good works with grace but the works of the mosaic law. There is no grace without faith. Ephesians 2:8. And there is no faith without works. James 2:17. Apologia stop preaching your false gospel. Galatians 1:8.
easily rebuking apologia utah. apologia utah does not understand basic christian doctrine. here's the big problem for you, and all so-called christian churches, that you refuse to acknowledge ... jesus founded his church on prophets and apostles. the scriptures clearly tell us that, many times. and there is only one church today that has prophets and apostles. the restored church of jesus christ. "the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints" which you refer to as mormons. not any of yours. consider yourself schooled. the church of god in the time of the prophets, was built on the foundation of the prophets, i. e. upon those doctrines and doctrinal truths deliver'd by them. the church of god under the new testament, is built not only on the foundation of the prophets, but of the apostles, Rev. 21:14. this is precisely what paul affirms in ephesians 2:20 where he says that the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, christ jesus himself being the cornerstone” (cf. rev. 21:14; also 1cor. 3:10-11 in context). the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints is the ONLY church today built on a foundation of apostles and prophets. apologia utah is teaching a false gospel (just like all protestants). for that matter, catholics as well.
@@prayerwarrior7778 that’s disrespectful?? Lol you got to be a liberal right? That’s called making an observation and stating a fact when I didn’t know the names of any of the men speaking.
Joseph Smith was an absolute heretic! He was a sorcerer, an occultist who practiced magic rituals in which he killed animals for visions and power. He is exactly what the Bible warned about! His fruit was false!!!🚨⚠️📢⚔️🛡️He was a liar and a conman who redefined GOD because he wanted to become god. Prove all things hold fast to that which is good Thess 5.21. You have been deceived.
EX Mormon here and I can tell you that the spirit that I felt as an LDS member is completely different than the one I fill now. I was born and raised left before my mission. I am so grateful God opened my eyes and he can open your guises too, but you need to undo what you learned.
I love how eager these guys are to listen and not just tell these ladies how dumb and wrong they are. I love their gentleness and humility.
With respect, these girls aren't dumb, they are deceived. I was a mormon my entire life and it hear their argument. God still loves them, but these guys are absolutely correct.
@@kregprice5075 ?
I love how all of the apologia guys prey on the young LDS members, who stand their ground amazingly. If these guys brought this stuff up to a seasoned LDS member, they would leave dumbfounded at their own teachings. They try to approach things from an eternal perspective that no one knows of a certainty but can't understand the Doctrine of Christ. They have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.
@kregprice5075 that's what I said. They didn't just call them names or be overly aggressive
@michaelnicholas5587 they talk to any random LDS members that will talk to them 🤣 the seasoned ones most of the time get escorted away or just refuse to talk to them
I just love how honest these ladies with their beliefs that it’s literally based on feelings… i pray that they seek for truth ❤
Praying that these ladies went home and remembered this conversation and started a journey to search for the truth 🙏 I used to be just like them. Steadfast in my LDS religion and wouldn’t listen to anyone who was in opposition. In my mind I had the whole truth and was part of the only true church in this earth, but my unanswered questions ultimately led to my own journey that brought me to Jesus ✝️💝 Praise God!
that's awesome God bless
Thank you guys for posting these videos, they are definitely a blessing to me so I can learn from them 🙏
God bless you guys for the work that you’re doing.
Awesome job guys. I will have to watch the whole thing later but I just went somewhere in the middle a little after the 30-minute mark where he was talking about Galatians. Real good response.
Hear = here.
Great chat all of you praying for these ladies a seed was planted.
Really really great conversation. Praying for these sweet, beautiful girls.
Great work guys but I’d like to mention that I believe you were mistaken on Occam’s razor. I believe what you meant to say was Pascal’s wager.
I was hoping someone would mention this! The way I did a double take when he explained it, haha
If you think you can trust your feelings, ask any divorced person if they loved or how much they loved their wife or husband on their wedding day. I bet their feelings after the divorce have changed. Feelings should Never replace facts, evidence, or especially the Word of God.
People have strong feelings about becoming a rapper, and selling away their life to nothing but luxury and items. We can’t live by our feelings lmao.
@@ryz8 Tell me you are a young unwise smart elek w/o telling me you are a young unwise smart elek
@@gigiis526 all I can tell you is what you said doesn’t make any sense and you most likely misinterpreted my comment if your take away from it was anything other than the exact example I was providing lmao
Sometimes "facts" depending on who gives them can be misleading (especially if its based on interpretation - like in the scriptures). Jesus himself said "blessed are tho thomas for believing (as thou seest me) but blessed are those that haven't seen and believed. Thus there are "various" layers and faiths. We could never grow if god gave us all the answers (like a cheat sheet)! lol. That is where faith comes in (which makes us work for some things, vs just being told).
You ask how Mormons can trust your own feelings I'm right because I trust my feelings. What makes evangelicals right
Mormons never stop talking they have an answer for everything
Galatians 1:9 (KJV) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The word of God is the truth.
Awesome convo
What a relief that Apologia tell us that Jesus and Lucifer weren’t actually bothers….. just that Jesus created Lucifer. I’m glad they confirm that because I was worried.
All beings are beneath God; none can be his peers.
God bless you Pastor. I have learned a lot from this video.
Pastor Wade did such a wonderful job!!
That was amazing. I want to move to Utah.
My wife and I are bummed by the housing prices. 😭😭😭😭😭
At about the 31 minute mark, I think you meant Pascal's Wager, not Occam's razor.
Whenever Paul spoke about grace over works he was referring to the works of the mosaic law. For a true understanding the gospel also read Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25, James 2:24.
I am curious about the materials you have in this video? Can you provide some information on those documents? Thanks!
Feelings are subjective and can lead a person astray.
It's not about feelings, it's about understanding doctrine. What does Jesus want from us and for us? Do you believe you need to be baptized to be saved? That is a doctrinal issue, not a feeling thing. What is our relationship with our Heavenly Father? What is his relationship with Jesus Christ? Why did Jesus claim that there is one greater than himself? The guys in this video are predators that prey on the young and unlearned. If they actually talked to seasoned members, they would get shot down so fast their heads would spin.
In my humble opinion, if you put the doctrinal issues aside, the whole thing hinges on the validity of Joseph Smith and subsequent "prophets" being true prophets. The Bible says if someone turns out to be a false prophet, don't believe their words. If these prophets say things that contradict, the rest crumbles. And there are too many of those to list. Most LDS will dispute that and refuse to believe it, even when you show them, and start doing mental gymnastics to try to explain it away, so it's usually a futile effort, but it is what it is. From the start, Joseph Smith's own words don't even agree with each other. He said NO MAN can see God without first having the priesthood. NO MAN. NO MAN. NO MAN. That's pretty self-explanatory. Yet, he claims to have had the first vision of God and Christ before he even received the priesthood. And that's just one example! Like I said, most LDS will try to explain it away, but it's pretty clear.
It's real tough to break through ideology, I have thought an insane amount how to get through subjectivity to an objective structure of truth, it sounds reasonable, the problem is we are not often rational and we learn as Mormons to put more stock on our feelings than what the scriptures say so pointing at the bible as a mic drop doesn't land like it would to a bible believer
I hope you guys have a lot of success, Utah needs a church that can catch Mormons as they leave and love them as they go down the rabbit trails, I felt so isolated and kinda crazy reading the Bible and book of Mormon in light of their historys, I can see why the Mormon church would discourage that, my worldview collapsed.
You mistake Occam's Razor for Pascal's wager--a minor critique for an otherwise significant interaction. Love your videos.
It's frightening how subjectivity is so prevalent. She can't tell someone who thinks that a power pole is Jesus is wrong.
The Mormon faith is centered on family and feeling good as the woman said she reads her scripture not for doctrine or to know God but to feel good.
She reads the book of Mormon. She doesnt read the bible.
Many gentiles "reject" gods current revelations (and think Gods word has ended 2k years ago). However Gods words are endless, as is he (Its shouldnt be a concept) - but people feel threatened to learn more (because if they did, it would make them feel their beliefs weren't valid anymore).
@@gigiis526The Bible gives us a test for new prophets. Joseph Smith, Muhammad, etc… didn’t pass the test.
@@gigiis526 They read both (and understand 2x as much or more) because they can cross reference (vs just rely on opinion) That is why exists 100s of different denominations (thus the need for continuing revelation) Amos 3:7
@@nute742Hmmm... Well, there's over 100 different sects of mormonism, so it doesn't seem like continuing revelation solved the problem. We Christians definitely believe in continued revelation! I've had prophetic words given to me by men of God many times throughout my walk with God. The issue isn't whether there's continued revelation. The issue is, any continued revelation MUST be in agreement with what God has already spoken since God doesn't change His nature, His standard of what is righteous and holy, and His word will never pass away. You can't look at Christians and say, "They don't believe in continued revelation." That would be a misrepresentation of what we believe. We just don't believe in continued revelation that contradicts or conflicts with what God has already spoken!
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How often are you guys out on Provo Center Street? And what church are you affiliated with here in Utah? It's nice to see more and more believers outside my apartment in the evening.
I live in utah and i would love to go evangelize with you guys. How can i know when you guys are out there?
…what even? 😂
The Book of Mormon on the cover page says that Jesus Christ is The Eternal God. Also Mosiah 15:1-4 says God comes down in flesh and tabernacles amongst his people. Even the Book of Mormon contradicts The Lds church. When Joseph wrote it he was very trinitarian. The LDS Corp is corrupt to its core. I used to be LDS until I was saved 2 years ago.
Yes it does. The BOM teaches a triune God. And I believe there are BOM verses that like the Bible deny plurality of gods. But LDS members try to step around this by saying Jesus is I Am and Jehovah and the God of the OT, and Heavenly Father is the father of our spirits. Hugely confusing theology.
Oh sorry, you already know my rebuttal. Lol. But that’s what they’ve told me when I ask. Lol. As you already know:)
“There’s a power that comes into your life [when you start studying the Book of Mormon]”……. Whatever power that is, it’s not from God.
It makes me really sad. Both of these young ladies are trusting their feelings over truth.
Apologia have taught me that these two disciples should have dismissed these feelings that they had; Luke 24:32.
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Do you all sell tracts for Mormons?
If joel smith is a prophet why he contradict the Bible? You cam't join the ligth and the darkness, can't be satan and LORD JESUS be a brother! Can't either join evil and Holiness.. i think the only problem in mormonism is they believe that the book of mormons are liable or powerful that the Bible. That's very wrong! Thats proud in the sight of God😢
Smart ladies! (and very well spoken and respectful) Hopefully the street preachers will open their hearts (vs trying to prove others wrong, with their narrative) Like the ladies said - we all have some truths. So sharing them should be welcomed (in a respectful way of course).
But you say one thing is true, the Prophets and Apostles who wrote the Bible under inspiration from God disagree. Not everyone's truth is actually truth. Jesus said "sanctify them in truth, thy word is truth.". In that inspired truth we are told how to test if someone is speaking from God, wouldn't you agree?
@@ChristisLord2023 I don't think the prophets would disagree (especially on important doctrine) However all had their own style, viewpoints. Even the "gospels" had it this way. Perhaps each told of the things they needed to report on (and other prophets focused on other things). However with common sense and the spirit - we can discern what is really right, or wrong (or what is important or not so much).
@@nute742 so, when one prophet 2700 years ago reports the very words of YHWH "is there a God besides me? No, I know not one" and "I am the first and the last, besides me there is no God" 200 years ago someone comes along claiming that YHWH became a God, there were other God's before Him and we can become God's, you don't see a contradiction?
@@ChristisLord2023 Thanks for your reply and those are good points / questions. The "One God" thing is brought up in many religions (Amongst the Jews) and even in the Christian Theology that believes in the Trinity (3 beings .. making up "one god") etc. The wording and meaning can sometimes be tricky, because in the bible God (the father) and Jesus the son are mentioned "several times" as being separate. God (the "one god") Is our Father and his son and our savior /redeemer (Jesus Christ) his also a god in his own merits (the holy Ghost is also god) True they are "all gods" but referring to the "One God" that depending on the context it may mean God (the father). With that said our Lord (Jesus Christ) mentions there are "no other gods before him (meaning he is our only savior and advocate with the father). So the argument of "monotheism vs polytheism" can be "tricky" too (because obviously there are different actors at play (and each is a "god" in the sense) The word god (as in hebrew, greek) can mean both a "designation or role" as well as actual name! (so again I understand why people can get mixed up ). The god of the old testament that visited the israelites some say it to be Jesus! However Jesus many times testified of his Father! Okay hope that answers a few questions. If you like I can send over a few bible quotes (about the separation of these 2 beings) if that helps too! Okay take care and God bless :)
@@nute742 so in other words, you make any excuse you can to get around the truth. Every argument you posed has been thoroughly refuted yet you post a bunch to make it impossible to respond to on here. Then when I respond you will argue one point and then just keep switching. Pick one and let's discuss that, then move on.
I'd say we go with who God is and who Joseph says He is.
The argument against only one God that speaks of others is fallacious. Those were copying YHWH,not the other way around.
We know those texts were translated correctly so that argument is false too.
Why do you argue against God to defend Joseph Smith?
Pascal’s wager not Occam’s razor
How ironic....the song I Did It My Way playing in the background the same time the LDS lady is talking about how her feelings affirmed the truth of LDS faith.
Great song is it Frank Sinatra?
If Joseph did more "save Jesus only" for the salvation of mankind....one would assume he is already resurrected...let us take a scan of his tomb.
He may be coming soon! (many will be surprised)!
Why would he be resurrected already? Are you saying if a scan showed his remains were still there that would mean he didn’t really do more than anyone except Jesus?
Faith come by hearing and hearing(rhema) the word of God. Romans 10:17 We dont make decisions based on feelings but facts ie truth. The word of God is the Living Word inspired by God. It is our bread of life!
"Having an experience " is exactly what the gnostics do and what the pentecostals and charismatics do. Signs and wonders is in many false faiths including hinduism with the kundalini spirit.
Man perishes for lack of knowledge.
In case you were wondering what it is like explaining to a blind man what the color white looks like ; try attempting to convince a spiritually blind person to rely on scripture alone and not experiences. It is more difficult convincing a false convert in a false religion than it is an agnostic who has not been indoctrinated.
The book of mormon is not the bible. These people have literally been brain washed which is so sad and terrifying because they are going to hell unless God gives them the eyes to see and the ears to hear. .
These young women arent really hearing the guys but they are remaining quiet while they talk and waiting to jump in and defend their false faith. I guess it is really scary when your truth is found out to be lies unless you actually really have a firm foundation in Christ and nothing else.
That God wants us to be like him is completely biblical; Matthew 5:48, Luke 12:32, John 10:34, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, 2 Corinthians 3:18, Galatians 4:7, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 2:5,6, 1 John 3:2, Revelation 3:21.
Blind 100% 😢
People that seek how to do things in a corporation like Google, a company that is under investigation for being a monopoly is not good.
I hope that sister owns that vehicle shes resting on 🙄
She probably doesn't she kinda of is "entitled".
Solo Deo Gloria
The heart is deceitful above all things, beyond cure, who can understand it? Jeremiah 17.9
💔No we cannot trust our feelings.
Apologia says that Hebrews 1 says that Jesus was the last prophet. The Bible says Acts 13:1, Acts 15:32, Acts 21:10, 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 2:20, Ephesians 3:5, Ephesians 4:11. Apologia don’t know the Bible, The Lord’s church or the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Hmmmm? Galatians 1:8.
It just kind of annoys be when sceipturebis in your face straight and there same reply is that's your interpretation.. No read ut yourself how else wouldbyou interrupt that?
They don’t know Jesus because they don’t know they are lost lambs.
I think you mean goats.
Apologia is quoting John 16:13 which says the Spirit will guide you into all truth. How can we rely on that when Apologia say we can only rely on the written word of God? Which is it guys? Galatians 1:8.
Read the Bible. Do your due diligence on Mormon history.
@@hopeinHim5160 I’ve done both. If you’ve ever felt the Holy Ghost bear witness that something is true you would recognise that it most certainly is the “more sure word of prophecy.” 2 Peter 1:19. Apologia could certainly never rely on that witness because it never would endorse their church. It’s just not there for them.
@@AdamEyers I respectfully disagree.
jeff is the beast

(1) LDS is rooted in gnosticism and it is still very gnostic . (2) Joseph Smith was proven to be a false prophet (failed prophecies) (3) John 1:1 contradicts the demonic lds jesus. The definition of the lds jesus and God is not according to the bible. (4) lds faith is works righteous. It is grace plus works.
Apologia are spouting such false nonsense saying that Peter, James and John would have lost their priesthood when they died because of what it says in Hebrews. They also say that Hebrews says Jesus was the last prophet but Acts 13:1, Acts 15:32, Acts 21:10, 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 2:20, Ephesians 3:5, Ephesians 4:11.
You guys are amazing and have such patience. These girls have very little understanding of their own doctrine it seems, and just go by I think …,and I feel…
It’s always interesting to me that LDS people even bother to call The Bible, The Word of God. How can God’s word be corrupted? If something has been corrupted then it’s not from God and no longer is The actual Word of God. Why then do they even pretend to follow something if it’s so corrupted?
So that they can just twist it into something it’s not, in order to validate all the points that suit them?
She pretty much said the Book of Mormon plus her subjective feelings trump The Bible, so this makes it easy for them to ignore the fact that The Bible is totally different to Their false Gospel.
I will pray for them…. if they do read The Bible as a child hope that they make it the ESV or something else not King James… I don’t want to sound mean but they sound like they need something simple.
One of them said she can’t read the OT cause she doesn’t understand it 😳
And made a comment about how surprised she was at how similar Christianity is to Judaism???
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Praying for them.
It's not about feelings, it's about reason.
These guys attack the ladies over the LDS gospel changing as with blacks and the priesthood, but what about in the Bible how at one time the gospel was only for the Jews, but then became for the Gentiles also.
The one gentleman refers to Genesis 3 and the serpent deceiving Eve and telling her that they could know good from evil and that that was a lie. But in verse 22 we read this: And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever. First off, who is God talking to? Who else was like him that he was talking to and said "the man is become as one of us..." Why are the accounts in Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 5:3 virtually the same verbiage? Can we see a correlation there?
I could go on about the several things I have heard these guys teach in other videos that contradict the Doctrine of Christ, but I will leave that open to anyone who would like to converse on that.
The serpent told then they would be like gods knowing good and evil, he lied to them and told them they would not die.
The mormon church tells them the same thing they will be like God, they will be gods!
The Muslims says God did not tell them they would die, same as the serpent.
We believe the Holy Bible and no other book or gospel. Over 5,000 manuscripts that agree with each other 99.98% of the time. NT. Adam and Eve died spiritually and several hundred years later they died physically. All people after that die, we must be born again so we can be born again spiritually so when this body of flesh dies we will go to be with the Lord.
The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternally life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6.23
Daniel 9:24
“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place."
Danial prophesied that in 490 years to bring an end to prophecy. so, there are no modern day prophets because when Christ brought in the new covenant (everlasting righteousness) vision and prophecy were sealed up or put to an end.
therefore ANY man who claims to be a prophet after the holy city was was destroyed, is a liar. the holy city was destroyed in AD 70.
Lds members have the gift of the holy ghost . So how can it be about trusting their feelings ? Nothing to do with their feelings. Everything to do with the holy ghost
The Apologia interpretation of Isaiah 43:10 has been proven to be false here many times.
The difference between this sister and a Muslim or Apologia is that she has the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3 Moroni 10:5.
The brunette young lady must be getting over a cold because she is coughing quite often
I guess the other "title" could be if the street preachers could "trust" their own interpretations of the scriptures? (As we have hundreds of different sects with different opinions on lots of doctrine ranging from baptism - to the nature of god) Okay food for thought :)
Not fully correct is still wrong
Problem is you can't say the Bible is objectively true.
So the young lady says that it is more beneficial to talk about feelings and experiences than discussing direct straight forward scripture is a waste of time.
This guys false teachings totally rebukes the fact that when the two disciples were on the road to Damascus and they talked with a man, and they knew not who he was. They said "did not our heart within a burn?"
This "pastor" Is empty flesh. He knows not the mind nor will of God that he proclaims to profess. Pride cometh before the fall. And it will surely come. I feel sorry for the loss souls that are duped by this guy.
"Can the LDS trust their feelings" what a ridiculous question! These modern Pharisees should read "Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?" These men felt something in hearts before they knew it was Jesus who walked with them. "Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God." I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THEIR VIDEO THEY'RE DELUSIONAL "2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." ENOUGH SAID.
Every false religion has rejected Jesus Christ as God Almighty. After you reject Jesus as God you have rejected the Holy Spirit of truth and you will be led by feelings and lies into all false worship.
Hebrews 1
The Holy Bible is the word of God and in John 1 it tells us that the Word was made flesh and was God.
Apologia “we’re not trying to tear you down”. Yeah right!
But 1 Corinthians 12:3 doesn’t say we can know Jesus is Lord by the written word of God but by the Holy Ghost. How would that present itself to us other than by our feeling something. Apologia deny the Holy Ghost.
Apologia are arrogant and lost. When did Jesus personally preach to the gentiles?
Paul is never comparing good works with grace but the works of the mosaic law. There is no grace without faith. Ephesians 2:8. And there is no faith without works. James 2:17. Apologia stop preaching your false gospel. Galatians 1:8.
easily rebuking apologia utah.
apologia utah does not understand basic christian doctrine. here's the big problem for you, and all so-called christian churches, that you refuse to acknowledge ... jesus founded his church on prophets and apostles. the scriptures clearly tell us that, many times. and there is only one church today that has prophets and apostles. the restored church of jesus christ. "the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints" which you refer to as mormons. not any of yours. consider yourself schooled. the church of god in the time of the prophets, was built on the foundation of the prophets, i. e. upon those doctrines and doctrinal truths deliver'd by them. the church of god under the new testament, is built not only on the foundation of the prophets, but of the apostles, Rev. 21:14. this is precisely what paul affirms in ephesians 2:20 where he says that the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, christ jesus himself being the cornerstone” (cf. rev. 21:14; also 1cor. 3:10-11 in context). the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints is the ONLY church today built on a foundation of apostles and prophets. apologia utah is teaching a false gospel (just like all protestants). for that matter, catholics as well.
You follow a madman from the 19 century. After Jesus, there is no need for prophets. What does the Bible say about false prophets?
Galatians 1:8. Islam and Mormonism are abhorrently false and have failed the test of scriptures you claim have been changed.
Joseph Smith tell you that?😂😂
@@ivabuttitch
actually the bible did.
perhaps you should read it.
@@grayman7208 you mean the Bible that you believe has been corrupted? 😂😂
Did the pole die for our sins? What a lame argument Apologia is making.
I’m Mormon and want to speak with the bald gentleman
You mean the pastor? A little respect might get you some interaction.
@@prayerwarrior7778 how was I not showing respect?
@@Leo.KillerOfBaseballs ‘bald gentleman’
@@prayerwarrior7778 that’s disrespectful?? Lol you got to be a liberal right? That’s called making an observation and stating a fact when I didn’t know the names of any of the men speaking.
@@Leo.KillerOfBaseballs what do you want to speak about?
Joseph Smith would certainly say Apologia is corrupt and I would agree with him.
Joseph Smith was an absolute heretic! He was a sorcerer, an occultist who practiced magic rituals in which he killed animals for visions and power. He is exactly what the Bible warned about! His fruit was false!!!🚨⚠️📢⚔️🛡️He was a liar and a conman who redefined GOD because he wanted to become god.
Prove all things hold fast to that which is good Thess 5.21.
You have been deceived.
That lds lady who has blonde hair looks like a woman who I know
Her name is Sarah Magill
Was that Sarah Magill who yall were talking too
"I've been taught" aka deceived. Hopefully they repent of their idolatress view of God and receive the one true Christ
Another Apologia teacher with his John Calvin beard.
Apologia don’t speak truth.
As proven here the Christ that Apologia are teaching is not the Christ of the bible. Galatians 1:8.
Ladies they’re not you’re friends, they’re hear to bash you and tell you what you believe is false. They don’t preach the true Jesus at all
Jesus Christ is God.
Apologia know little. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints would certainly say that Jesus is God.
There is no way good people would support Apologia Utah.
Why is that?
Richard Holmes is a huge Joseph "The Con Man / Pedophile" Smith Fanboy!
@@Formerlyknownas7435 Richard must be LDS; he's using his "feelings"
@@nightshade99 I can see part of your comment on my notifications but I can't see it in the comment section.
@@Formerlyknownas7435 Huh
They’re not wrong… “just not fully correct”. I see what you did there 🥸
I love the background music too.