Saemin Kang Tarkin demanded the Empire support two increasingly huge money pits in the Death Stars because he was convinced that just having a mobile giant gun would be enough to dominate the galaxy. He also used said big gun to incinerate an Imperial base just because one of his rivals was there. Vader is a husk of a man who seems to feel nothing but self loathing and rage. He made executing subordinates into a hobby and had no interest in anything except his personal projects unless the Emperor himself ordered it. That’s when he’s in his “good” moods. When he’s in his bad moods, he’s a devastating monster. Yet somehow, the First Order is even worse than that. I fully expect them to just start randomly blowing themselves up with Kylo in charge.
@@Mgauge Yes. A Star Destroyer arrives 5 minutes late to the fleet. Kylo Ren: "Target that destroyer that just arrived & vaporize it." A Lacky Admiral: But sir that's......" Kylo Ren: DO AS I SAY!
@Geostomp The Death Stars are money pits? The First Order seem to be able to shit them out with ease, which in exile no less, so I don’t see how that’s accurate.
@@yami122 Vader's failure isn't even his fault, it's the writers' fault. Vader is the bad guy, the "good guys" have to win, so Vader has to fail and ultimately lose, i.e. die. Now the authors just have to explain the victory, the success of the “good guys” and the defeat, the failure of the “bad guys”. This becomes difficult when the "bad guys" have to be dangerous and therefore superior and the "good guys" have to be virtuous and weak, because defeating the "bad guys" is supposed to be exciting and therefore a challenge for the "good guys". Unless the writers are highly intelligent and/or trained in military strategy/tactics, this will be difficult to tell in a believable way for thinking viewers. *GL* has made it clear that he doesn't care about realism as long as it's exciting and many viewers share his opinion. The authors' solution is to let the villains act as arrogant, stupid and negligent as possible, so that the thinking viewer wonders how the evil ones came to power and were able to stay there and even the stupidest, most inexperienced virtuous hero can defeat them. Oh yes, just to be on the safe side, the hero also gets a plot armor that is 100,000 light years thick when needed. So that this is not too noticeable, the fellow combatants who are irrelevant to the plot are killed so that the fight appears dangerous.
The reason that the Imperial military had such a toxic work culture was that the *HR DEPARTMENT* had been neutered by the Sith. When even an Admiral gets choked without a citation being written up, it discourages you from reporting workplace bullying.
Both sides of the Clone Wars were really not prepared to fight an effective campaign. A thousand years of peace meant that everyone was out of practice. Of course, since droids don't need to eat, don't feel pity, remorse or fear and can be programmed with historical military data more extensive than the kind of training the Kaminoans could offer the clone troopers... not to mention manufacturing platoon of battle droids is much faster than getting a batch of clones ready for battle, the Separatists had the clear advantage... if Count Dooku was even bothering to fight to win.
It has a Discipline problem because: They keep executing their top officers after the general has a hissy fit. The top general and leader both worship a dark force that celebrates non-discipline and greed. The vast majority of the Navys operations are entirely pointless and needlessly sadistic, with most top officers being mad and most grunts being stupid/ ignorant as sin.
If they are taught to sabotage each other in the academy then what do you think they where doing on the ships, and people wonder why the imperial ships never seem to preform up to expectations.
@@grandace2 Rebels, clearly show that they start to give the Stormtroopers a 'mission come first and for second everybody look to number one' mentality almost from the start. There is 'esprit de corp', no team building...it's like the first day on the marine or any other armed forces the instructor told you that you must only look for your wellbeing while getting result
I've been from one side of the galaxy to the other, seen a lot of strange stuff. But never have I ever seen someone compare Darth Vader to the Little Mermaid...lol
Now I want see an all original Disney character version of Star Wars. The little mermaid (vadar) and Ursula (emperor) would be awesome. I'd have to think about the rest of the cast though.
Well, yeah. Palpatine deliberately instilled a Sith-like philosophy in them. The same philosophy that lead nearly every large Sith organization to practically devour themselves. It was only a matter of time before the Empire collapsed on its own.
Yeah, but while the Rule of Two works well for The Sith, it doesn't work well for a military. *"Hi, we're the Imperial Army, I'm Dave and this is Mike. We'll be conquering you today."*
Yeah, while a meritocracy is good, you also need a sense of loyalty and camaraderie among your men. After all, if a particularly ambitious gunnery officer just happens to accidentally miss a shot straight into his own ship's bridge isn't something conducive to actually winning in battle.
@@lordfrostwind3151What you're actually condemning is envy and ambition, neither of which really have anything to do with the concept of meritocracy. A rather poisonous mix, and something at the core of sith philosophy. What Sith philosophy seeks is a non-bloodline based Aristocracy. The best translation of the word literally means rule of the best, but it never really lived up to the name (anywhere).
They would have been fine as long as the head of the snake held power. That was the issue in the past but never an issue here because the imperials were no match for sidious.
The risk of being choked by a superior with other worldly powers does effect discipline... being a standard officer in the Sith Empire must have been hell.
The normal officers didn't have it too bad, and were often left to their own devices as long as the didn't screw w the emperor's chi (or draw Vader's attention) the early hell was being assigned to Vader's personal army
Yeah, in the old Sith Empire, it was common knowledge that you could never hope to command the authority of a Sith Lord, no matter how many victories you achieved. Even a Sith Apprentice could push you around as much as he pleased, and he would suffer no real consequences for murdering you in a fit of rage.
Though there were very rare examples of smart and competent officers who had the luck of being paired with semi reasonable sith who saw the value in their non force using counterpart, leading to working relationship that left the officer just as feared as the sith beside them because the sith would force choke a disobedient or incompetent underling on behalf of the officer. These were usually outliers early on since most sith who took military command often were just looking for excuses to go on a murder spree without much thought spared to more pressing matters in favor of serving their own egos. This often bit them in the ass hard, and unlike Vader some were far less calculated in their executions by comparison , where as Vader would often execute an officer with a proven record of incompetence or who failed a clearly vital task old sith would sometimes do so for small slights or mistakes and at times would execute veteran experienced officers robbing them of a valuable asset.
It's quite possible Admiral Ozzel was actually a secret Rebel agent. He tried to convince Vader the base belonged to smugglers, and then he alerts the Rebels that they're coming. He's a hero not an idiot.
loosing a big chunk of your high command at the death star, definately has a huge impact on the military performance. I imagine a lot of commanders were just promoted beyond their experience to fill the vacuum.
Hmm, the Empire seems to have the same problems that my work does. Rampant incompetence, people in charge who don't deserve the position, a large group of lazy grunt workers, etc.
I could see Vader going all in on a musical number with the entire crew of his Star Destroyer. Anyone who doesn’t keep the beat gets cut in half while those who can’t hit their high notes get force choked until they do.
Regarding *Hoth,* _Vader's plan to drop in on the outer edge of the system was also flawed_ - the Rebels knew the jig was up, and the Imperials knew that they knew _(yes they also knew that they knew that the other side did know about that …)_ The Imperial probe droid had been discovered and sent back telemetry that it was in a fight with a Wookie, so it's safe to say that a knowledgeable officer would realise that's Chewie and the human must be Solo, two smart operators. So the Rebels would identity the droid and begin evacuation immediately. By the time Vader's plan had been implemented half the Rebel transports would have already jumped to hyperspace. The best option was to jump in straight over the base and begin orbital bombardment targeting the base, just to keep them bottled up behind their shields. Rain continuous fire _at the ion cannon location,_ the only real threat, and when the Rebels drop their shields for the first transports _the ion cannon takes hits and is knocked out._ From there you can just park a ISD directly over the base (imagine if the ion cannon fired at that, a ISD falling on you would squish everything, that could also be a option before the cannon was disabled - one ISD for one Rebel base?). Have Ties swarm around the shield ready to take out anything that gets through, and maybe able to sneak in when the shield is temporarily dropped. They aren't at risk from ion shots even before the cannon is disabled. As well as the ion cannon the other main target should be the hangers. The shield should not be taken out till later, it's actually useful for the Imperial forces as it's prevents a mass Rebel breakout. Rebel ships only launch a few at a time, and without the ion cannon taking out picket ships they can be picked off easily. Once the shield is down the Rebels can just scatter, and if your own forces are in the base you can't bombard it either. Just have your Walkers target the hanger and the ships ready to launch, and no one is getting off that iceball. As for the Walkers … talk about bad tactics on both sides. The Empire should have at least dragged some Ties Strikers through the shield (park them on the ATAT's roof and then launch once through) to provide air support and maybe suppress defences and blast the hangers and ships. Only take out the shield once all the Rebel ships on the ground have been knocked out, by then it's advantage to the Empire in keeping the Rebels contained is moot. Then you can land your ground forces in mass and search the facility for prisoners and Intel. And Vader can have a family reunion. *Trooper:* Lord Vader, we've run DNA scans on all the prisoners to confirm identity, and … *Vader:* A sister? … his sister, that means she's my… You've done well soldier, bring them both to my ship.
@@martinhanke1670 casbott is not talking about bombarding the shield to take it down, but to make the rebels keep it fully on, trapping them into making desperate bids for escape that the Imperial fleet can pick off at their leisure.
@@mattd2026 considering where we are you clearly like star wars and also disney (at least Little Mermaid),maybe you like close the sea and always fantasized about an under-sea adventure ala Star wars like in Mon Kala. Or maybe you just liked them both and see that similarity before and no one else with who you speak seen the similarities of the scene in the movies.
Im currently rewatching Rebels and omg they show that soooo much. Thrawn tells them what to do and what not to do and theyre so determined to catch the rebels they always fuck up and thrawn is basically face palming all the time lol
Another similarity between Vader and the Little Mermaid, besides no legs, is _no penis…_ And for Vader it was in the same circumstances as for his legs.
He kind of is already. His role in the Imperial military is closer to that of a commissar, responsible for ensuring loyalty and discipline, than an officer.
Yes but he's only man in a galaxy spanning fleet, maybe a hand selected band of political officers within the Stormtrooper Corps that would “ensure" loyalty among the fleet officers.
In a context in where the Admiral Ozzel wasn't a rebel spy, and instead a veteran imperial from the Clone Wars, I think that looking to his past can explain some things: According to the Wookiepedia article of him in Canon: *"Early Service"* "A male human born into a wealthy family from Carida, Kendal Ozzel attended multiple Core World institutes in his youth. Eventually, he graduated and became a Captain of the Line. However, his superiors did not see him fit to serve as an effective field commander, and he was relegated to teaching positions for a while." "Ozzel served for a time in the Republic Navy during the Clone Wars. Eventually, he ended up serving in the navy of the Galactic Empire. In 14 BBY, he held the rank of Rear Admiral, and was a member of the Joint Chiefs." Now, let's going to apply the "Peter Principle". Here is the definition according to Investopedia: "The Peter Principle is an observation that the tendency in most organizational hierarchies, such as that of a corporation, is for every employee to rise in the hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence. In other words, a front-office secretary who is quite good at her job may thus be promoted to executive assistant to the CEO for which she is not trained or prepared for-meaning that she would be more productive for the company (and likely herself) if she had not been promoted. " "The Peter Principle is thus based on the logical idea that competent employees will continue to be promoted, but at some point will be promoted into positions for which they are incompetent, and they will then remain in those positions because of the fact that they do not demonstrate any further competence that would get them recognized for additional promotion. According to the Peter Principle, every position in a given hierarchy will eventually be filled by employees who are incompetent to fulfill the job duties of their respective positions." *"IMPORTANT: Most people will not turn down a promotion, especially if it comes with greater pay and prestige-even if they know they are unqualified for the position."* Ozzel may had not be the best field commander at first, but after some time, he was promoted, we don't know how exactly, but the was promoted. My hypothesis is that Ozzel served well in a teaching position, and when promoted to field commandancy, he wasn't that competent as with his early situation. Even with the arrogance that Ozzel could have displayed, even in those high-caliber levels you can deny that you have issues in some things. He surely knew that he wasn't very competent in field commandancy, but he tried to ignore it with the help of his ambitions and arrogance. And most people don't refuse a promotion, because it's so much tentative for most of us, that we take that decision with emotions, not with reason. Sure, in the immediate short term it may be a victory for one, but at the long-term will be a completely contrary case. Other more simple example but somewhat unprobable (considering how Sidious's regime manages this topic) was that the archived what we know thanks to corruption and family historial and contacts, rather than true skill.
Rank and file did not compete as much. They had less ego and more Jobs to do on regular basis. The higher ups were less day-to-day thinking. That help keep the "rank and file" in line.
actually I'd say it's the Admiralty and the High Command, and the political figures (governors, Moffs, directors, etc). these are the positions that require high ambition to achieve, and everyone in Star Wars who held such a high post (Piett, Ozzel, Tarkin, Krennic, etc) had a lot of assholery going on for them. in short to reach the top echelon, you must desire for power, and glory and have a willingness to either kill or outmaneuver your rivals. or be patient and wait for your superior to die. though i suspect there are a small few that rose through the ranks out of need since authority rose as well it's quite the contrast to the lower-ranking officers like Ciena Ree, Thane Kyrell, Iden Versio, Nash Windrider, and many others I can't name. they lack ambition for the most part and take the brunt of the consequences of the decisions of the higher ups (Nash, Thane, and Ciena all are horrified by Alderaan's destruction and the destruction of the Death Star)
How would the Militia and IMC from Titanfall fair in a war with the Post-Covenant war UNSC since they lost over half their population and their space fleet is right now pretty small and on the ground thanks to Titans and drones the IMC and the Militia would be able to dominate the ground against any Spartan or Scorpion tank?
The Offer : The Sith serve The Emperor. The Emperor is the Empire. The Empire is the Sith. Join " US." ( heard within your mind, as dozens of Sith Acolytes telepathic send their dark thoughts to you./ force skill: telepathy .) Accept the out stretch open hand of fellowship,(force skill: friendship/calm ) or feel the closing fist.(force skill: force grip.) ( The droning six sentence Offer chant fill your head and thoughts as you feel the affects of the force skill: Affect Minds giving you the "suggestion" of embrace your Fears and gain strength from them. Feeling the waves of the force skill: Fear wash on your mind.) The Guidance : Fear lends to Anger. Anger leads to the Power of the Darkside . Embrace your Fears, turn you Pain to Anger, Feel the Power of the Darkside Strengthen "You !" (game RPG system, when you are effected by the force skill: Fear, that PC or npc suffers a penalty in all saving rolls and skill checks, unless they accept the Fear. Then they gain a Darkside Point. If the number of DP equals to their wisdom score , they shift to being darkside characters.) Note: Hearing two to four dozen Sith Acolytes chanting the Offer/ Guidance to you for an hour, they will Turn you to the Darkside. Even if you do not join " Them," you will kill with out mercy or hesitation., no Regrets .
Admiral Ozzel was a Rebel. He dropped out of Hyperspace so close to warn the Rebels. You can clearly see the panic on his face when Darth Vader gives the order to atack Hot. He willingy gave his life for the Rebels.
I never thought I'd see the day that Vader would be compared to 'The little mermaid' Well that day has come and the comparison fits so well. Perhaps his past life as a mermaid is why he hates sand so much.
:All aliens are degenerates and shouldn't be given weapons." Alan? There's a call for you from a Grand Admiral Thrawn. on hold Oh and the local HR rep is the other line.
I think it's also that Palpatine was just that paranoid. He wanted to ensure his absolute rule over the whole galaxy but he couldn't micromanage the whole thing so he needed to delegate to others. But that meant giving up direct access to information and resources, meaning that if the right people got together they could mount a coup against him. To guard against this he fostered intense competition among the branches and officers to ensure that they would be too busy fighting each other and not pose a threat to him. We saw the same thing with other totalitarian rulers.
The Empire reminds me of the Soviet Union in before and during the early years of ww2 with it's near complete lack of competent commanders due to Stalin and his purges, and how poorly it performed against absolutely inferior opponents like Finland. They had a massive industrialized military machine much like the empire although if you know anything about how barbarossa went for the Soviet side, the Empire definetly did better with keeping it's military equipment up to date, but the point still stands, they were a massive military power that somehow managed to get it's ass kicked by a much smaller foe that should never have been able to go toe to toe with them.
Oh no, the dolphins side with the traitorous rebel scum. The ISB freed him from their control, and Alan has been able to return to his -propoganda- news reporting duties for the glorious Empire! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
they explained about ozzel in the book allegiance by Timothy zhan in the expanded universe "legends" about how he couldn't be trusted and was placed on Vader's flagship
Might also explain stormtroopers' lack of tactics until they come against Boba, Mando and Fennec. They become easily distracted, "looks rebels, after them" without so much as a thought if it's a ruse or who knows what. It's not until the Boba Fett scene in the Mandalorian that they're ordered to perform a flanking maneuver, although to no avail. Modern militaries look to enhance teamwork which is critical for tactics and strategy. Thrawn understands this and Eli Vanto noticed his command was run differently than that of a typical Imperial command. I assume the First Order still carried that Sith-like philosophy in their training which would also explain why Finn had no trouble blasting his former buddies, they never had any real connection with one another and would sabotage each other if they'd benefit from it.
Other military leaders should have understood that if Palpatine wanted Thrawn to be a grand admiral he is therefore an honorary human and should be respected as both.
Unclean blood will taint all and that's why evem 0.002% of black blood makes you black. Invite aliens into your rank and you no longer are clean or deserving to rule. This is why the Empire fell. It lost its vision for expediency. Duhh!! (All said sarcastically of course.)
Considering how huge (and as Allen points out, completely new) the Imperial Navy was on every level, it's kind of amazing that they had as *few* problems as they did. Their enlisted ranks and noncommissioned officers were solid, as were most of the junior and mid-rank officer corps - and for all that the Admiralty was infested with a substantial number of over-promoted, career-minded officers who care about the wrong things like Ozzel and Konstantine, most Imperial officers were more like Piett and Veers: efficient, competent, and professional. All that, built completely from scratch in the space of a couple decades. Prior to the Grand Army of the Republic, which came with its own officer corps of clones already in place, the galaxy had not had a unified standing army or navy of any kind for centuries - and then practically overnight, bam: an organization capable of fielding fleets of mile-long space battleships filled with motivated crews and well-trained officers is on the scene, hunting pirates, criminals, and rebels. Don't get it go to their heads, but that's damn fine work.
really no, the competent one were a dwilling resources even thanks to the Vader approach at command; the Empire fleet was lucky that had to fight only a rag tag insurgency and even in that case it have his ass kicked in so many time that's not even funny. The only one that seem to have some succeess was Vader but honestly his method do more damage in the long term than any rebellion.
@@lukedalton Actually, the Empire lasted longer than that in Legends. Fuck, in Legends, they RULE the Legacy-Era world, whereas in Disney canon, they have warships that can delete worlds with one shot.
I like the idea of there being an Imperial TV game show called "You Lack Discipline!" Where officers get quizzed and if they answer wrong, Vader chokes them to death.
It's easy to criticize Palpatine's paranoia for causing so many problems, it certainly did at every level. But part of it is justified, anyone who's played the Bioware games knows that “Sith goes rogue and takes a chunk of the military with them" is pretty much any day that ends in Y for the Sith, even the rule of two doesn't diminish the fact that at any moment your apprentice can decide to take part of your fleet without any questions and there's not much you can do. There needs to be a greater encouragement of cooperation and teamwork between your officers, but we also need to have a force that can ensure discipline and loyalty among the ranks, theoretically the stormtroopers fulfill this duty but they need to have a greater presence among the officer corps of the fleet and army. I would also say that there needs to be a restructuring of the entire model the Empire operates on.
Imperial officer: fucks up. Vader: You have disappointed me for the last time. (Force chokes officer) Imperial officer: Harder daddy! Vader: what? Officer: what?
Are EVE Online ships more powerful then Star Wars Expanded Universe ships since they are much much larger in size and they have several unique kinds of weapons like the Titans even have their own kinds of glauss guns and now there's a new ship that's about the size of Snoke's ship that can be used as a moble base and create portals to summon reinforcements. I bet the Imperium of Man would love to get their hands on those ships for sure.
Depends. Can they withstand 200 gigaton turbolasers that rapid-fire? Covenant ships can laugh off 50 gigaton MAC rounds from Halo, hence why they have some chance at fighting Imperial warships. Also, the 200 gigaton calc came from an astrophysics professor who wrote that calc on EPII's movie tech manual, making that canon as all hell.
@@thorshammer7883 I dunno. That's why I put up the tech specs for SW ships. I'm waiting to see someone bring in the EVE Online ships and their tech specs to compare. And yes, SW ship ranges can get ridiculous. For a series where ships usually broadside each other, ship laser cannons can hit really far. In the old Battlefront canon to Legends, they can hit a baseball-sized remote probe with a laser cannon from orbit, showing that they can pinpoint a target that is 100,000-300,000 KM away. I suppose it's similar to 40K where Macrocannons are made for close-range broadsides, but they can still hit you for thousands of kilometers away.
@@HolyknightVader999 I recognize the Expanded Universe as canon so I agree with what you are saying is Star Wars canon but how about Warhammer 40k weapons how powerful are they?
@Thor's Hammer that's a bit of a complicated subject unfortunately, we really don't have much data except from the old Battlefleet tabletop, BFG Armada and the occasional bits of lore. I do know that a standard anti orbital ground laser battery which is probably comparable to standard starship armaments was able to vaporize a Reaver class titan on Vraks in one shot, and Nova Cannons have a gigantic area of effect considering space. Just as a rough estimate I'd say a light macro cannon is probably comparable to a turbolaser and a standard macro would probably be around the same as a heavy turbolaser. No idea in the bigger ordinance.
Whoever plays World of Warships knows very well that type of player Konstantine was... the type that goes for another kill when game hangs in the balance nad snatches defeat from the jaws of victory... Also, I have to put your Xenophobia to the test, dear author: Thrawn not only is best Imperial commander despite being alien himself, but for example Ackbar has become such good Rebel leader because he managed to learn so much of Imperial military while personal slave to Tarkin. Imagine an Empire where Ackbar is not enslaved but welcome as capable commander for the cause of restoring peace to Galaxy? True leader acknowledges talent and performance regardless of race!
Not to mention Vader constantly killing his men for failing even if it wasn’t their fault. Inspiring loyalty through fear doesn’t work because eventually people will mess up more because of the fear they’ll be killed for one mistake. It’s one thing to kill if officers are totally incompetent and shouldn’t be leading or they purposely sabotage a mission and it’s another if they fail but try to make up for it but get killed anyways
The empire is the way to go. They had some of the best fighters and pilots in the galaxy the rebels should have never won the war. But due to lack of good leadership and bad use of resources sad to say they lost and my uncle also lost his job on the second death star.
The worst aspects of Imperial discipline is the tendency to kill off top ranking officers for tactical mistakes. This is how commanders live and learn to adapt their strategy, without commanders who have had some experience they Empire would no be able to adapt their military strategy. The other problem is the complete lack of the leadership (Palpatine and Vader) to take criticism and be open to opposing ideas and strategies, this style of discipline would create a military full of incompetent yes-men.
Wow, that Little Mermaid comparison came out of nowhere, LOL. The fact that the First Order was commanded by a 20-something year old ginger means that no experience is necessary when being in a command position within the Galactic Navy.
@@Viguier89 And his daughter ordered the attack and even "accidentally" led the Death Star to that location. They are rumours that the Death Star even had a fatal flaw deliberately built into it, but the evidence for that was destroyed by, you guessed it, the Death Star.
I remember when my CO used three sugars in his coffee instead of two and Lord Vader cut his into three. Not even a verbal or written warning was issued. The policy was implemented on third shift and my CO had already knocked out for the night
The admiral took them out of hyper space to soon. In other words to far from the planet giving the rebels time to mount a defense and evacuate the planet. Vader wanted the fleet to leave hyper space extremely close to the planet. Which would be risking ships from the fleet to possibly collide with Hoth.
Imperial Officers in the Galactic Empire: Oh No! I failed my assignment! Lord Vader's gonna force choke me! Imperial Officers in the Sith Empire: Oh No! I failed my assignment! I hope Lord Nox is merciful enough to use force choke on me!
Honestly, the Empire wouldn't have been all that bad if Palpatine hadn't been evil for the sake of being evil. His one-dimensional character archetype led to some serious strategic, logistical and tactical errors. His shortsightedness led him to start nationalizing industry after industry thus eliminating competition within an open market thus largely dis incentivizing innovation.this led to economic stagnation which left billions without work or basic necessities. The Empire's assenine governance method of needless cruelty is what created the Rebel Alliance in the first place.
Alan, How does your opinion that "All aliens are degenerates and not to be trusted with weapons." Square with your channel's opinion that "...Thrawn was the BEST Imperial Officer."? Are you suggesting that the Chiss are human? I'm under the impression that most Chiss might find that suggestion insulting.
the third problem you forgot to mention was a political one palpatine operate from a sith prespective that fear and hate were good so they did everything that had bad optics and did not allow for amiable departures which created a situation where you had imperials in name rebel sympathisers in realitiy
Sadly this training and stuff moved on to the first order with their training of troopers and officers. Hux pretty much killed people to get on top and phasma does a Everyman for themselves type training.
Ozzel became admiral because he was from a rich family, I think I heard somewhere they put him under Vader because they knew he was stupid and would be killed.
Well my perspective comes from George Lucas, where it all started in 77 and there are Good Guys and Bad guys; Lucas did say many times a story for kids and I doubt anybody was really fooled when Palpetine's talks with Anakin turned out to have an ulterior motive (Bad guy stuff). As for the Imperial leadership the simplest term is "Narcissist". Military's throughout history suffer with this. Hitler's own was rife with this as Field Marshals, Generals, and more working their own agenda's and many well known times actually disregarding Hitler's main effort in favor of their own.
Lol, I love how you try to tell us you don't side with the Empire. We know you do, and we love you anyway. Btw, how cool is it that Mr. Zahn is a member of the 501st (according to the patch on his shirt) and that the artist's rendition of Pellaeon looks rather like Zahn? [Too bad...Zahn claims he identifies the most with Talon Kaarde]
It would be interesting if the Emperor, seeing all the failures his own philosophy causes the Empire, ended up using a more Jedi-like philosophy just to keep his officers in line.
Empire:
Vader: Tarkin.
Tarkin: Vader.
First Order:
Hux: (Screams at Kylo)
Kylo Ren: (Screams at Hux louder)
Saemin Kang Tarkin demanded the Empire support two increasingly huge money pits in the Death Stars because he was convinced that just having a mobile giant gun would be enough to dominate the galaxy. He also used said big gun to incinerate an Imperial base just because one of his rivals was there.
Vader is a husk of a man who seems to feel nothing but self loathing and rage. He made executing subordinates into a hobby and had no interest in anything except his personal projects unless the Emperor himself ordered it. That’s when he’s in his “good” moods. When he’s in his bad moods, he’s a devastating monster.
Yet somehow, the First Order is even worse than that. I fully expect them to just start randomly blowing themselves up with Kylo in charge.
@@Mgauge Yes. A Star Destroyer arrives 5 minutes late to the fleet.
Kylo Ren: "Target that destroyer that just arrived & vaporize it."
A Lacky Admiral: But sir that's......"
Kylo Ren: DO AS I SAY!
@Geostomp The Death Stars are money pits?
The First Order seem to be able to shit them out with ease, which in exile no less, so I don’t see how that’s accurate.
If you've ever seen an orange tabby fight a black cat, that is essentially what happens.
Kylo Ren: (Throws Hux into a wall again.)
Your opinion of Ozzle is right on the nose. Vader's quote "He's as arrogant as he is stupid" is also spot-on.
and ironically vader was just as bad if not worse
@@yami122
Vader's failure isn't even his fault, it's the writers' fault.
Vader is the bad guy, the "good guys" have to win, so Vader has to fail and ultimately lose, i.e. die.
Now the authors just have to explain the victory, the success of the “good guys” and the defeat, the failure of the “bad guys”.
This becomes difficult when the "bad guys" have to be dangerous and therefore superior and the "good guys" have to be virtuous and weak, because defeating the "bad guys" is supposed to be exciting and therefore a challenge for the "good guys".
Unless the writers are highly intelligent and/or trained in military strategy/tactics, this will be difficult to tell in a believable way for thinking viewers.
*GL* has made it clear that he doesn't care about realism as long as it's exciting and many viewers share his opinion.
The authors' solution is to let the villains act as arrogant, stupid and negligent as possible, so that the thinking viewer wonders how the evil ones came to power and were able to stay there and even the stupidest, most inexperienced virtuous hero can defeat them.
Oh yes, just to be on the safe side, the hero also gets a plot armor that is 100,000 light years thick when needed.
So that this is not too noticeable, the fellow combatants who are irrelevant to the plot are killed so that the fight appears dangerous.
i've always thought they lack faith, rather than discipline.
Their only 'Passion' is the assimulation of influence and power, a meaningless cycle.
Resistance is futile, prepare to be aSSimilated
Indeed their lack of faith is disturbing
I find your lack of faith disturbing
Agreed, I always found it disturbing
The reason that the Imperial military had such a toxic work culture was that the *HR DEPARTMENT* had been neutered by the Sith.
When even an Admiral gets choked without a citation being written up, it discourages you from reporting workplace bullying.
One of the only good points from the SIth Code has been dismissed. There is no Passion.
I remember you from another video, you made the "We cannot match the strength of wolves" thing, nice to see you
"Show us on the doll where Lord Vader touched you with the force" -imperial HR
Actually the Sith code says “Peace is a lie There is only Passion.
@@wert1234576 ki
Galactic Republic:
Jedi: Does a lecture on the force
Clones:???
Separatists:
Tactical Droid: Do this
Droid: Roger Roger
01110010 01101111 01100111 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110010 01101111 01100111 01100101 01110010
Both sides of the Clone Wars were really not prepared to fight an effective campaign. A thousand years of peace meant that everyone was out of practice.
Of course, since droids don't need to eat, don't feel pity, remorse or fear and can be programmed with historical military data more extensive than the kind of training the Kaminoans could offer the clone troopers... not to mention manufacturing platoon of battle droids is much faster than getting a batch of clones ready for battle, the Separatists had the clear advantage... if Count Dooku was even bothering to fight to win.
It has a Discipline problem because:
They keep executing their top officers after the general has a hissy fit.
The top general and leader both worship a dark force that celebrates non-discipline and greed.
The vast majority of the Navys operations are entirely pointless and needlessly sadistic, with most top officers being mad and most grunts being stupid/ ignorant as sin.
Sounds like the Soviet army under Stalin.
I do not have hissy fits.. I just get a little mad sometimes and when I get mad things break
If they are taught to sabotage each other in the academy then what do you think they where doing on the ships, and people wonder why the imperial ships never seem to preform up to expectations.
wheres the source on this? so I can read it
@@grandace2 rebels illiterates the problems with the academys. The rest is just the empire constantly under performing in fights it should win.
At the Academy tbey are trained to put the mission first ( at least stormtroopers are)
@@TenguTie Ah, I see I see, oh wait, I blame Palpatine for ushering in this mindset
@@grandace2 Rebels, clearly show that they start to give the Stormtroopers a 'mission come first and for second everybody look to number one' mentality almost from the start. There is 'esprit de corp', no team building...it's like the first day on the marine or any other armed forces the instructor told you that you must only look for your wellbeing while getting result
I've been from one side of the galaxy to the other, seen a lot of strange stuff. But never have I ever seen someone compare Darth Vader to the Little Mermaid...lol
Now I want see an all original Disney character version of Star Wars. The little mermaid (vadar) and Ursula (emperor) would be awesome. I'd have to think about the rest of the cast though.
Shawn Allen I vote for Solo to be played by the Robin Hood fox.
I agree! It's a perfect fit!
We should all volunteer our children to serve the Empire. I heard they have a super weapon that is very safe to be stationed on.
Add some insurance on that station though
Seems legit
Not just one! They've got a second one set to open in just three years!
@@patrickstewart3446 Good to know just in case I dont sign up in time for the 1st stations crew
I don't know guys. A technological terror like that one can't be safe enough to sustain life, can it?
Well, yeah. Palpatine deliberately instilled a Sith-like philosophy in them. The same philosophy that lead nearly every large Sith organization to practically devour themselves. It was only a matter of time before the Empire collapsed on its own.
Exactly. And whomever was left. Was most cunning and deserving
Yeah, but while the Rule of Two works well for The Sith, it doesn't work well for a military.
*"Hi, we're the Imperial Army, I'm Dave and this is Mike. We'll be conquering you today."*
Yeah, while a meritocracy is good, you also need a sense of loyalty and camaraderie among your men. After all, if a particularly ambitious gunnery officer just happens to accidentally miss a shot straight into his own ship's bridge isn't something conducive to actually winning in battle.
@@lordfrostwind3151What you're actually condemning is envy and ambition, neither of which really have anything to do with the concept of meritocracy. A rather poisonous mix, and something at the core of sith philosophy. What Sith philosophy seeks is a non-bloodline based Aristocracy. The best translation of the word literally means rule of the best, but it never really lived up to the name (anywhere).
They would have been fine as long as the head of the snake held power. That was the issue in the past but never an issue here because the imperials were no match for sidious.
I love how on this show, Star Wars is turned into a biased historical analysis
Come again?
@@seriousnesstv7902 give him a couple minutes
Im Better does he mean that Alan acts as if We exist in the Star Wars universe cuz I like how he does that :)
Long live the Empire!
SW duos seem kind of like a propaganda movie searis from the rebel side.
@@seriousnesstv7902 he came
The risk of being choked by a superior with other worldly powers does effect discipline... being a standard officer in the Sith Empire must have been hell.
The normal officers didn't have it too bad, and were often left to their own devices as long as the didn't screw w the emperor's chi (or draw Vader's attention) the early hell was being assigned to Vader's personal army
Yeah, in the old Sith Empire, it was common knowledge that you could never hope to command the authority of a Sith Lord, no matter how many victories you achieved. Even a Sith Apprentice could push you around as much as he pleased, and he would suffer no real consequences for murdering you in a fit of rage.
@@dragonslair951167 yeah, they could even die from just doing their job due to Sith infighting.
Hahahahahahahahaha NO! Hell... was where they went for fucking _shore leave..._ rest of the time, shit was _so_ godsdamn much fucking worse.
Though there were very rare examples of smart and competent officers who had the luck of being paired with semi reasonable sith who saw the value in their non force using counterpart, leading to working relationship that left the officer just as feared as the sith beside them because the sith would force choke a disobedient or incompetent underling on behalf of the officer.
These were usually outliers early on since most sith who took military command often were just looking for excuses to go on a murder spree without much thought spared to more pressing matters in favor of serving their own egos. This often bit them in the ass hard, and unlike Vader some were far less calculated in their executions by comparison , where as Vader would often execute an officer with a proven record of incompetence or who failed a clearly vital task old sith would sometimes do so for small slights or mistakes and at times would execute veteran experienced officers robbing them of a valuable asset.
It's quite possible Admiral Ozzel was actually a secret Rebel agent. He tried to convince Vader the base belonged to smugglers, and then he alerts the Rebels that they're coming. He's a hero not an idiot.
When I thought no Star Wars analysis could surprise me anymore...
Darth Vader is just like the Little Mermaid.
Mind blown.
loosing a big chunk of your high command at the death star, definately has a huge impact on the military performance. I imagine a lot of commanders were just promoted beyond their experience to fill the vacuum.
Hmm, the Empire seems to have the same problems that my work does. Rampant incompetence, people in charge who don't deserve the position, a large group of lazy grunt workers, etc.
Sounds like Walmart
Last time i was this early mainland China loved the NBA!
The main problem in keeping order was the imperials didn't have enough Vaders 2 keep order.
If only they could clone him...Hmmmm....
Oh shit, as bad as Vader was, can you imagine what even 1 crazy ass sparti Vaader would be like?
MrGoesBoom if only the Imperial royal guard, Inquisition were competent official commanders aswell
@@nicholashodges201 on the brightside, his Spaarti origins would make him far less potent/capable than Vader classic.
Which is why the Rule of Two needed to die. Multiple Sith Lords could have kept the Imperial officers on their toes.
Vader: "I want to be where the people are!" *exasperated breathing*
I could see Vader going all in on a musical number with the entire crew of his Star Destroyer. Anyone who doesn’t keep the beat gets cut in half while those who can’t hit their high notes get force choked until they do.
Too many Admirals in the kitchen
Daniel Pucher Too many Admirals on the bridge ruin the Fleet.
It spoils the firepower
What's the saying? Too many Admirals, not enough crew members? 🙂
😆 good one
If the Admirals are too busy plotting against each other they can't plot against the emperor
Regarding *Hoth,* _Vader's plan to drop in on the outer edge of the system was also flawed_ - the Rebels knew the jig was up, and the Imperials knew that they knew _(yes they also knew that they knew that the other side did know about that …)_
The Imperial probe droid had been discovered and sent back telemetry that it was in a fight with a Wookie, so it's safe to say that a knowledgeable officer would realise that's Chewie and the human must be Solo, two smart operators.
So the Rebels would identity the droid and begin evacuation immediately. By the time Vader's plan had been implemented half the Rebel transports would have already jumped to hyperspace.
The best option was to jump in straight over the base and begin orbital bombardment targeting the base, just to keep them bottled up behind their shields.
Rain continuous fire _at the ion cannon location,_ the only real threat, and when the Rebels drop their shields for the first transports _the ion cannon takes hits and is knocked out._
From there you can just park a ISD directly over the base (imagine if the ion cannon fired at that, a ISD falling on you would squish everything, that could also be a option before the cannon was disabled - one ISD for one Rebel base?).
Have Ties swarm around the shield ready to take out anything that gets through, and maybe able to sneak in when the shield is temporarily dropped. They aren't at risk from ion shots even before the cannon is disabled.
As well as the ion cannon the other main target should be the hangers.
The shield should not be taken out till later, it's actually useful for the Imperial forces as it's prevents a mass Rebel breakout. Rebel ships only launch a few at a time, and without the ion cannon taking out picket ships they can be picked off easily.
Once the shield is down the Rebels can just scatter, and if your own forces are in the base you can't bombard it either.
Just have your Walkers target the hanger and the ships ready to launch, and no one is getting off that iceball. As for the Walkers … talk about bad tactics on both sides. The Empire should have at least dragged some Ties Strikers through the shield (park them on the ATAT's roof and then launch once through) to provide air support and maybe suppress defences and blast the hangers and ships.
Only take out the shield once all the Rebel ships on the ground have been knocked out, by then it's advantage to the Empire in keeping the Rebels contained is moot.
Then you can land your ground forces in mass and search the facility for prisoners and Intel.
And Vader can have a family reunion.
*Trooper:* Lord Vader, we've run DNA scans on all the prisoners to confirm identity, and …
*Vader:* A sister? … his sister, that means she's my…
You've done well soldier, bring them both to my ship.
casbott Well call you Thrawn!
Time to dawn blue face
The problem, is that the shield was too strong to bombard from orbit. That's why the needed ground assault.
@@martinhanke1670 casbott is not talking about bombarding the shield to take it down, but to make the rebels keep it fully on, trapping them into making desperate bids for escape that the Imperial fleet can pick off at their leisure.
Ytram The Grey Basically put their “Castle” under siege.
Love the Vader-Little Mermaid comparison. That really hit home for me.
How? A big fan of the movie? Danish?
@@alexandrub8786 does it really need an explanation? I think a comparison like that should touch everyone's heart. Wouldn't you agree?
I am just curious how did that comparation "really hit home for me"?
@@alexandrub8786 I will tell you how, but I want you to take a guess on why I said that first
@@mattd2026 considering where we are you clearly like star wars and also disney (at least Little Mermaid),maybe you like close the sea and always fantasized about an under-sea adventure ala Star wars like in Mon Kala. Or maybe you just liked them both and see that similarity before and no one else with who you speak seen the similarities of the scene in the movies.
Im currently rewatching Rebels and omg they show that soooo much. Thrawn tells them what to do and what not to do and theyre so determined to catch the rebels they always fuck up and thrawn is basically face palming all the time lol
Ooh c'mon Allen we all know you are an Imperial sympathiser, why do you think we subbed?.
I subbed to support the Ewok meat industry
@@Kakarot64. Try Gungan burgers, they're tasty as well.
casbott expected gungan & chips though
@casbott are they as good as a Mon Cala roll? I'm always looking for new and intelligent life to dine on.
Yeap.
Another similarity between Vader and the Little Mermaid, besides no legs, is _no penis…_
And for Vader it was in the same circumstances as for his legs.
Dont give Disney any ideas about adding a penis and calling it The little Mer mame
@@scottmurphy4946 Agreed, giving them ideas... never ends well.
He might still have it, burned up a bit.
@@HolyknightVader999 Like a Jack Links sausage you microwaved for 20 minutes instead of 2 minutes?
@@MonkeyJedi99 Yep.
Darth Vader should be head of discipline
Then there'd be no military
He kind of is already. His role in the Imperial military is closer to that of a commissar, responsible for ensuring loyalty and discipline, than an officer.
Yes but he's only man in a galaxy spanning fleet, maybe a hand selected band of political officers within the Stormtrooper Corps that would “ensure" loyalty among the fleet officers.
He is a part of problem.
@@tba113 who are you to define my role?
“Vader is very similar to the Little Mermaid” just blew my mind 😂😂😂😂😂😂
In a context in where the Admiral Ozzel wasn't a rebel spy, and instead a veteran imperial from the Clone Wars, I think that looking to his past can explain some things:
According to the Wookiepedia article of him in Canon:
*"Early Service"*
"A male human born into a wealthy family from Carida, Kendal Ozzel attended multiple Core World institutes in his youth. Eventually, he graduated and became a Captain of the Line. However, his superiors did not see him fit to serve as an effective field commander, and he was relegated to teaching positions for a while."
"Ozzel served for a time in the Republic Navy during the Clone Wars. Eventually, he ended up serving in the navy of the Galactic Empire. In 14 BBY, he held the rank of Rear Admiral, and was a member of the Joint Chiefs."
Now, let's going to apply the "Peter Principle". Here is the definition according to Investopedia:
"The Peter Principle is an observation that the tendency in most organizational hierarchies, such as that of a corporation, is for every employee to rise in the hierarchy through promotion until they reach a level of respective incompetence. In other words, a front-office secretary who is quite good at her job may thus be promoted to executive assistant to the CEO for which she is not trained or prepared for-meaning that she would be more productive for the company (and likely herself) if she had not been promoted.
"
"The Peter Principle is thus based on the logical idea that competent employees will continue to be promoted, but at some point will be promoted into positions for which they are incompetent, and they will then remain in those positions because of the fact that they do not demonstrate any further competence that would get them recognized for additional promotion. According to the Peter Principle, every position in a given hierarchy will eventually be filled by employees who are incompetent to fulfill the job duties of their respective positions."
*"IMPORTANT: Most people will not turn down a promotion, especially if it comes with greater pay and prestige-even if they know they are unqualified for the position."*
Ozzel may had not be the best field commander at first, but after some time, he was promoted, we don't know how exactly, but the was promoted. My hypothesis is that Ozzel served well in a teaching position, and when promoted to field commandancy, he wasn't that competent as with his early situation. Even with the arrogance that Ozzel could have displayed, even in those high-caliber levels you can deny that you have issues in some things. He surely knew that he wasn't very competent in field commandancy, but he tried to ignore it with the help of his ambitions and arrogance.
And most people don't refuse a promotion, because it's so much tentative for most of us, that we take that decision with emotions, not with reason. Sure, in the immediate short term it may be a victory for one, but at the long-term will be a completely contrary case.
Other more simple example but somewhat unprobable (considering how Sidious's regime manages this topic) was that the archived what we know thanks to corruption and family historial and contacts, rather than true skill.
The officer corps lacks discipline, every rank-and-file doesn’t have that issue.
Rank and file did not compete as much. They had less ego and more Jobs to do on regular basis. The higher ups were less day-to-day thinking. That help keep the "rank and file" in line.
Long live the empire
Cryptosporidium 137 the empire had a pretty good NCO corps, and tank and file, but by god the High command is just awful
@@stuglife5514 and the alliance and other rebellions took advantage of this time and time again.
actually I'd say it's the Admiralty and the High Command, and the political figures (governors, Moffs, directors, etc). these are the positions that require high ambition to achieve, and everyone in Star Wars who held such a high post (Piett, Ozzel, Tarkin, Krennic, etc) had a lot of assholery going on for them.
in short to reach the top echelon, you must desire for power, and glory and have a willingness to either kill or outmaneuver your rivals. or be patient and wait for your superior to die. though i suspect there are a small few that rose through the ranks out of need since authority rose as well
it's quite the contrast to the lower-ranking officers like Ciena Ree, Thane Kyrell, Iden Versio, Nash Windrider, and many others I can't name. they lack ambition for the most part and take the brunt of the consequences of the decisions of the higher ups (Nash, Thane, and Ciena all are horrified by Alderaan's destruction and the destruction of the Death Star)
I find your lack of faith in the Empire disturbing
I find your lack of Passion disturbing
How would the Militia and IMC from Titanfall fair in a war with the Post-Covenant war UNSC since they lost over half their population and their space fleet is right now pretty small and on the ground thanks to Titans and drones the IMC and the Militia would be able to dominate the ground against any Spartan or Scorpion tank?
good question
Never apologize for being an Imperial supporter. Empire now, Empire tomorrow, Empire forever.
The Offer :
The Sith serve The Emperor.
The Emperor is the Empire.
The Empire is the Sith.
Join " US." ( heard within your mind, as dozens of Sith Acolytes telepathic send their dark thoughts to you./ force skill: telepathy .)
Accept the out stretch open hand of fellowship,(force skill: friendship/calm )
or feel the closing fist.(force skill: force grip.)
( The droning six sentence Offer chant fill your head and thoughts as you feel the affects of the force skill: Affect Minds giving you the "suggestion" of embrace your Fears and gain strength from them. Feeling the waves of the force skill: Fear wash on your mind.)
The Guidance :
Fear lends to Anger.
Anger leads to the Power of the Darkside .
Embrace your Fears, turn you Pain to Anger, Feel the Power of the Darkside
Strengthen "You !"
(game RPG system, when you are effected by the force skill: Fear, that PC or npc suffers a penalty in all saving rolls and skill checks, unless they accept the Fear. Then they gain a Darkside Point. If the number of DP equals to their wisdom score , they shift to being darkside characters.)
Note: Hearing two to four dozen Sith Acolytes chanting the Offer/ Guidance to you for an hour, they will Turn you to the Darkside. Even if you do not join
" Them," you will kill with out mercy or hesitation., no Regrets .
"The ways of the sith are the way of the ways of the empire and so shall it always be"
Darth Jadus
To be fair, it lasted all of, what, 20 years???
Jaela I see what you did there... [whistles 4 notes in reply]
Comparing Vader to Ariel left me wheezing with laughter.
This isn’t funny. I have a real disability and this is a hate crime!
@@jakestark2483 Sith are all about hate and you know it!
Admiral Ozzel was a Rebel. He dropped out of Hyperspace so close to warn the Rebels. You can clearly see the panic on his face when Darth Vader gives the order to atack Hot. He willingy gave his life for the Rebels.
I never thought I'd see the day that Vader would be compared to 'The little mermaid'
Well that day has come and the comparison fits so well.
Perhaps his past life as a mermaid is why he hates sand so much.
I love Allen's approach to SW! And that little mermaid analogy cracked me up.
Keep up the good work
"I'm not an Imperial apologist" few minutes later: "Vader and the Little Mermaid have a lot in common" :D
:All aliens are degenerates and shouldn't be given weapons."
Alan? There's a call for you from a Grand Admiral Thrawn. on hold
Oh and the local HR rep is the other line.
I think it's also that Palpatine was just that paranoid. He wanted to ensure his absolute rule over the whole galaxy but he couldn't micromanage the whole thing so he needed to delegate to others. But that meant giving up direct access to information and resources, meaning that if the right people got together they could mount a coup against him. To guard against this he fostered intense competition among the branches and officers to ensure that they would be too busy fighting each other and not pose a threat to him.
We saw the same thing with other totalitarian rulers.
He certainly doesn't have a hidden love for the empire.
They really do choke a lot and die a lot. Great video love your star wars content
The Empire reminds me of the Soviet Union in before and during the early years of ww2 with it's near complete lack of competent commanders due to Stalin and his purges, and how poorly it performed against absolutely inferior opponents like Finland. They had a massive industrialized military machine much like the empire although if you know anything about how barbarossa went for the Soviet side, the Empire definetly did better with keeping it's military equipment up to date, but the point still stands, they were a massive military power that somehow managed to get it's ass kicked by a much smaller foe that should never have been able to go toe to toe with them.
Still true with modern Russia
Empire apologist!
Clearly, the dolphins have messed with his mind!
Oh no, the dolphins side with the traitorous rebel scum. The ISB freed him from their control, and Alan has been able to return to his -propoganda- news reporting duties for the glorious Empire!
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
they explained about ozzel in the book allegiance by Timothy zhan in the expanded universe "legends" about how he couldn't be trusted and was placed on Vader's flagship
"Nu-uh I don't rack-a-disaprine!"
Never thought I'd see the little mermaid compared to Vader
Might also explain stormtroopers' lack of tactics until they come against Boba, Mando and Fennec. They become easily distracted, "looks rebels, after them" without so much as a thought if it's a ruse or who knows what. It's not until the Boba Fett scene in the Mandalorian that they're ordered to perform a flanking maneuver, although to no avail. Modern militaries look to enhance teamwork which is critical for tactics and strategy. Thrawn understands this and Eli Vanto noticed his command was run differently than that of a typical Imperial command. I assume the First Order still carried that Sith-like philosophy in their training which would also explain why Finn had no trouble blasting his former buddies, they never had any real connection with one another and would sabotage each other if they'd benefit from it.
Other military leaders should have understood that if Palpatine wanted Thrawn to be a grand admiral he is therefore an honorary human and should be respected as both.
Unclean blood will taint all and that's why evem 0.002% of black blood makes you black. Invite aliens into your rank and you no longer are clean or deserving to rule. This is why the Empire fell. It lost its vision for expediency. Duhh!! (All said sarcastically of course.)
I don't know if anyone has ever warned you about this, but the C in your "Generation TeCh" logo is backwards. It reads "Generation TeDh"...
Great, thanks. Now I will ONLY notice that from now on.
I can't believe i am just discovering this page, you guys are the best!
6:54 I think yularen survived
Considering how huge (and as Allen points out, completely new) the Imperial Navy was on every level, it's kind of amazing that they had as *few* problems as they did. Their enlisted ranks and noncommissioned officers were solid, as were most of the junior and mid-rank officer corps - and for all that the Admiralty was infested with a substantial number of over-promoted, career-minded officers who care about the wrong things like Ozzel and Konstantine, most Imperial officers were more like Piett and Veers: efficient, competent, and professional.
All that, built completely from scratch in the space of a couple decades. Prior to the Grand Army of the Republic, which came with its own officer corps of clones already in place, the galaxy had not had a unified standing army or navy of any kind for centuries - and then practically overnight, bam: an organization capable of fielding fleets of mile-long space battleships filled with motivated crews and well-trained officers is on the scene, hunting pirates, criminals, and rebels. Don't get it go to their heads, but that's damn fine work.
Which means the Empire is more of a success than a failure.
@@HolyknightVader999 Well, yeah. They get more right than they do wrong.
really no, the competent one were a dwilling resources even thanks to the Vader approach at command; the Empire fleet was lucky that had to fight only a rag tag insurgency and even in that case it have his ass kicked in so many time that's not even funny. The only one that seem to have some succeess was Vader but honestly his method do more damage in the long term than any rebellion.
@@HolyknightVader999 the Empire lasted 20 years the Republic 1000 years while the Empire less than 30...so hardly a success
@@lukedalton Actually, the Empire lasted longer than that in Legends. Fuck, in Legends, they RULE the Legacy-Era world, whereas in Disney canon, they have warships that can delete worlds with one shot.
I like the idea of there being an Imperial TV game show called "You Lack Discipline!" Where officers get quizzed and if they answer wrong, Vader chokes them to death.
It's easy to criticize Palpatine's paranoia for causing so many problems, it certainly did at every level. But part of it is justified, anyone who's played the Bioware games knows that “Sith goes rogue and takes a chunk of the military with them" is pretty much any day that ends in Y for the Sith, even the rule of two doesn't diminish the fact that at any moment your apprentice can decide to take part of your fleet without any questions and there's not much you can do. There needs to be a greater encouragement of cooperation and teamwork between your officers, but we also need to have a force that can ensure discipline and loyalty among the ranks, theoretically the stormtroopers fulfill this duty but they need to have a greater presence among the officer corps of the fleet and army. I would also say that there needs to be a restructuring of the entire model the Empire operates on.
Imperial officer: fucks up.
Vader: You have disappointed me for the last time. (Force chokes officer)
Imperial officer: Harder daddy!
Vader: what?
Officer: what?
Are EVE Online ships more powerful then Star Wars Expanded Universe ships since they are much much larger in size and they have several unique kinds of weapons like the Titans even have their own kinds of glauss guns and now there's a new ship that's about the size of Snoke's ship that can be used as a moble base and create portals to summon reinforcements.
I bet the Imperium of Man would love to get their hands on those ships for sure.
Depends. Can they withstand 200 gigaton turbolasers that rapid-fire? Covenant ships can laugh off 50 gigaton MAC rounds from Halo, hence why they have some chance at fighting Imperial warships. Also, the 200 gigaton calc came from an astrophysics professor who wrote that calc on EPII's movie tech manual, making that canon as all hell.
@@HolyknightVader999
So how powerful are the glauss guns the Titan class ships have? And what kind of projectiles do Eve Online ships use anyway?
@@thorshammer7883 I dunno. That's why I put up the tech specs for SW ships. I'm waiting to see someone bring in the EVE Online ships and their tech specs to compare.
And yes, SW ship ranges can get ridiculous. For a series where ships usually broadside each other, ship laser cannons can hit really far. In the old Battlefront canon to Legends, they can hit a baseball-sized remote probe with a laser cannon from orbit, showing that they can pinpoint a target that is 100,000-300,000 KM away. I suppose it's similar to 40K where Macrocannons are made for close-range broadsides, but they can still hit you for thousands of kilometers away.
@@HolyknightVader999
I recognize the Expanded Universe as canon so I agree with what you are saying is Star Wars canon but how about Warhammer 40k weapons how powerful are they?
@Thor's Hammer that's a bit of a complicated subject unfortunately, we really don't have much data except from the old Battlefleet tabletop, BFG Armada and the occasional bits of lore. I do know that a standard anti orbital ground laser battery which is probably comparable to standard starship armaments was able to vaporize a Reaver class titan on Vraks in one shot, and Nova Cannons have a gigantic area of effect considering space. Just as a rough estimate I'd say a light macro cannon is probably comparable to a turbolaser and a standard macro would probably be around the same as a heavy turbolaser. No idea in the bigger ordinance.
Never imagined I'd see a comparison between characters like Ariel and Darth Vader. Great job! ^^
im glad to hear that someone else thought Ozzel was on the rebels side. I have thought this for decades but haven't heard anyone voice it.
Tim Zahn for Emperor!
Whoever plays World of Warships knows very well that type of player Konstantine was... the type that goes for another kill when game hangs in the balance nad snatches defeat from the jaws of victory... Also, I have to put your Xenophobia to the test, dear author: Thrawn not only is best Imperial commander despite being alien himself, but for example Ackbar has become such good Rebel leader because he managed to learn so much of Imperial military while personal slave to Tarkin. Imagine an Empire where Ackbar is not enslaved but welcome as capable commander for the cause of restoring peace to Galaxy? True leader acknowledges talent and performance regardless of race!
Ah good times “WHY THE HELL IS THE CARRIER RUSHING THE BATTLESHIP?!"
Never apologize for supporting our great empire
Not to mention Vader constantly killing his men for failing even if it wasn’t their fault. Inspiring loyalty through fear doesn’t work because eventually people will mess up more because of the fear they’ll be killed for one mistake. It’s one thing to kill if officers are totally incompetent and shouldn’t be leading or they purposely sabotage a mission and it’s another if they fail but try to make up for it but get killed anyways
Lol, I'll never be able to unsee Vader singing "Part of your world"
The empire is the way to go. They had some of the best fighters and pilots in the galaxy the rebels should have never won the war. But due to lack of good leadership and bad use of resources sad to say they lost and my uncle also lost his job on the second death star.
Well that and every gunner on a Star Destroyer took there coffee break at the same time.
The worst aspects of Imperial discipline is the tendency to kill off top ranking officers for tactical mistakes. This is how commanders live and learn to adapt their strategy, without commanders who have had some experience they Empire would no be able to adapt their military strategy.
The other problem is the complete lack of the leadership (Palpatine and Vader) to take criticism and be open to opposing ideas and strategies, this style of discipline would create a military full of incompetent yes-men.
Thus, why Thrawn is the perfect rebuke/remedy for such an appalling organizational discipline! :)
Wow, that Little Mermaid comparison came out of nowhere, LOL. The fact that the First Order was commanded by a 20-something year old ginger means that no experience is necessary when being in a command position within the Galactic Navy.
Another glorious video good sir
Love the legends reason for Ozel’s promotion....basically so Vader can kill him (for trying to kill Mara jade). The book allegiance is awesome!
The Death Star was a inside job. My brother was there that day....
The only survivor of the attack was the father of the terrorist, coincidence? I think not.
Your brother was behind it?
Storytime626 I always suspected it to be an elaborately insurance scam..
@@Viguier89 And his daughter ordered the attack and even "accidentally" led the Death Star to that location.
They are rumours that the Death Star even had a fatal flaw deliberately built into it, but the evidence for that was destroyed by, you guessed it, the Death Star.
@@casbot71 And the guy who adopted the sole survivor daughter was a colleague of the emperor in the Galactic Senate.
I remember when my CO used three sugars in his coffee instead of two and Lord Vader cut his into three. Not even a verbal or written warning was issued. The policy was implemented on third shift and my CO had already knocked out for the night
Oh, that is rich. Love the Little Mermaid comparison. Pure beauty. Bravo!
Ozell was a spy? Hmmm, well if so he did a bang up job and gave his life for the New Republic. Yeah, I'd like to see that video.
"DO IT!" :D
ok, not fair... now i want a comparison ep of vader and the disney lead rolls, purly for lols
Everyone knows that Vader couldn't really choke anyone, they just faked being choked so Vader wouldn't kill them with his lightsaber.
Jesus. Now I'm going to have "Part of your World" running around in my head every time Vader is on screen.
If I were Thrawn at Attolon I would've kept Constantine on Bridge with me where I could keep an eye on him
I love how u make aspects of sw so real bro
I love when generationtek plays devil’s advocate.
Another great video and another happy landing
0:32 yeah but they write the scripts Lucas himself wrote A New Hope back when it was called Triumph of the Whills
The admiral took them out of hyper space to soon. In other words to far from the planet giving the rebels time to mount a defense and evacuate the planet. Vader wanted the fleet to leave hyper space extremely close to the planet. Which would be risking ships from the fleet to possibly collide with Hoth.
John Christopher Robert I think you got that reversed
Imperial Officers in the Galactic Empire: Oh No! I failed my assignment! Lord Vader's gonna force choke me!
Imperial Officers in the Sith Empire: Oh No! I failed my assignment! I hope Lord Nox is merciful enough to use force choke on me!
Darth Vader and The Little Mermaid: “Both don’t have Real Legs." (ROFL)
1:08 Lorgar Allaien
The whole skit about Vader and freakin Aeriel, the little mermaid... hilarious. Just, legit hilarious.
The little mermaid connection is just brilliant!
😀😀😀
Vader is now a Disney Princess :P
Honestly, the Empire wouldn't have been all that bad if Palpatine hadn't been evil for the sake of being evil. His one-dimensional character archetype led to some serious strategic, logistical and tactical errors. His shortsightedness led him to start nationalizing industry after industry thus eliminating competition within an open market thus largely dis incentivizing innovation.this led to economic stagnation which left billions without work or basic necessities. The Empire's assenine governance method of needless cruelty is what created the Rebel Alliance in the first place.
Uncle Palpy it's a sith, cruelty for cruelty sake it's a feature not a bug
@@lukedalton True, but my boy Sheev took it too far even for a Sith.
damn bro the way you broke it down is so dope
Alan,
How does your opinion that "All aliens are degenerates and not to be trusted with weapons." Square with your channel's opinion that "...Thrawn was the BEST Imperial Officer."? Are you suggesting that the Chiss are human? I'm under the impression that most Chiss might find that suggestion insulting.
That Little Mermaid comparison was painful
youre not imperial biased, you are simply right. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE
the third problem you forgot to mention was a political one palpatine operate from a sith prespective that fear and hate were good so they did everything that had bad optics and did not allow for amiable departures which created a situation where you had imperials in name rebel sympathisers in realitiy
Vader would have the third scariest Disney villain musical number. Right after Frollo and Doctor Facilier.
Sadly this training and stuff moved on to the first order with their training of troopers and officers.
Hux pretty much killed people to get on top and phasma does a Everyman for themselves type training.
Yea phasma was ruthless
Imperial officer sees Darth Vader
Imperial officer: my time has come
As a real life navy veteran I agree with you.
I hadnt thought about that before. I suppose its like having an officer corps that acts like domino squad pre 99 pep talk
Ozzel became admiral because he was from a rich family, I think I heard somewhere they put him under Vader because they knew he was stupid and would be killed.
Well my perspective comes from George Lucas, where it all started in 77 and there are Good Guys and Bad guys; Lucas did say many times a story for kids and I doubt anybody was really fooled when Palpetine's talks with Anakin turned out to have an ulterior motive (Bad guy stuff). As for the Imperial leadership the simplest term is "Narcissist". Military's throughout history suffer with this. Hitler's own was rife with this as Field Marshals, Generals, and more working their own agenda's and many well known times actually disregarding Hitler's main effort in favor of their own.
Timothy Zahn is the Howard Zinn
of Star Wars. Ready to dismantle your romantic notions of Republic exceptionalism
Lol, I love how you try to tell us you don't side with the Empire. We know you do, and we love you anyway.
Btw, how cool is it that Mr. Zahn is a member of the 501st (according to the patch on his shirt) and that the artist's rendition of Pellaeon looks rather like Zahn? [Too bad...Zahn claims he identifies the most with Talon Kaarde]
It would be interesting if the Emperor, seeing all the failures his own philosophy causes the Empire, ended up using a more Jedi-like philosophy just to keep his officers in line.