Terry, the sharpening in the masking is just a addon to the sharpening in the details panel. This means it just adds amount to the sharpening which is set in the main-details panel to accentuate parts of the image. In fact, you do the sharpening as usual in the details panel, but leave the amount slider to a smaller value than usual, the start masking of the main part of the image and add amount of sharpening just to the main part of the image which is selected by the masking.
Fantastic- I find all your tutorials to be extremely useful. Especially loved your series on beginning photoshop- am willing to now give it a go for certain edits. Thank you so much for your time in producing these videos.😊
I had lost my enthusiasm for photography partly due to not understanding the post processing of my images. I stumbled across one of your videos, you explained things well and I understood. So many channels are so focused on selling their products and not really focused on teaching. I will be seeing your work and going through images I have shot before. Thanks for the help.
Not all videos are focused on adverts. Sure they are irritating …In RUclips just write a question the search box and you will get a series of videos(hopefully) on what you asked. eg." how to edit in photoshop for beginners" how to...… (just write your own question). As well as this chaps tutorial, I found this instructor quite useful www.youtube.com/@phlearn
I like your procedure Terry and it is pretty much the path that I follow. The thing I add and you did not discuss was the removal of noise. At what point in your editing do you remove the noise? I typically remove noise, if obvious, after the Basic panel adjustments and prior to sharpening.
These are nice refinements. I thought noise should be removed first so I will be interested in your video. Also, have you determined that this approach is equivalent to options available in PS, such as unsharp mask?
This was So useful. I always thought I should mask then sharpen but now I understand the opposite is better. I also learned the function of radius and masking in sharpening. Thanks so much for this really useful tutorial!
BIG THUMBS UP FOR THE SHARPENING TIPS! And I like the way you started the video by reminding us that sharp images really start in the camera and with good photography shooting techniques..sharpening cannot save a BADLY BLURRED image...Thanks for the info...
Great explanation, I wasn't aware, that the order cropping/sharpening makes such a difference. Apart from that, I came to the same conclusions as you do. I wish Adobe would give us the complete sharpening options on a mask. That's on my wish list for a while now.
Hey Terry love your videos, just learning how to use light room classic myself and I use your videos. Question.. Do you use Ai denoise before cropping and sharpening or after? Thank you Terry
Hi Joshua, there are a couple of schools of thought on this. I will do all the work, exposure, cropping etc. first, THEN I will sharpen, then I will DeNoise. In that order. Hope that helps.
Hi great tutorial is it possible to sharpen a photo as you exlained but then also sharpen an object in the photo ? I film bird shows usually i'll take a pic that looks great but the bird is out of focus the birds are always in cages
First, try using manual focus so the camera doesn't choose the cage as a focus point. The only way to improve is to mask out the bird, (not the cage) and sharpen that. Good luck!
Terry thank you for taking my skills to a next level. Can you tell me when you would use the Denoise in your workflow? I have been making minor adjustments then using the AI denoise .... Thank you again.
Thanks Terry for this very interesting subject. I never quite understood how to use sharpening before, but I constantly had issues with denoising and sharpening (APS-C!!!) wildlife photographs. I know about noise in shadows and sharpness in the subject, so it is a pity that you can't use the Alt-key to fine tune while masking. I had better results using Topaz products (Denoise AI & Sharpen AI/Photo AI) anyway, but it's so easy to oversharpen, or having denoise in the way of sharpening without artifacts. What is your opinion here? Is it important to remove default sharpening prior to do cropping and 'Basic' changes? Then a Preset might help. To crop towards the center of the image, you should use the Alt key to save time and accuracy.
I also use Topaz for both sharpening and Denoise, but I do things a bit different. I plan to create a video on how I go about that soon. Thanks for watching.
Hi Terry, Having just come out of many years using Photoshop Elements I am finding my feet---and shoes to fit (LOL!)---in LrC! Your sharpening video was a great help. I note you said the "Develop" functions are arranged in a specific order and agree one should proceed in roughly that order. I assume that you jumped over a few functions (with the exception of cropping), after "Basic" to "Detail", either because the main topic of this video is sharpening and/or because the edits in the functions omitted were unnecessary since you had already done them in "Basic"? Also is it necessary to go through the process of making virtual copies each time for the sharpening process? Am now a subscriber, and regards, Fred Jansohn
Yes, I’ve covered basic processing before. No on the VC. I am only making them for instructional purposes. But they are a great way to try new procedures and compare. Thanks for watching.
I’ve mainly been using the clarity and texture sliders to try and sharpen subject-masked birds. I had begun to realise it was causing me problems, now I understand why :-) M
Great video and some excellent comparisons. I also use the little square in the Detail panel and hover over part of the image that's important - such as the eye in your wood duck. It sometimes helps in getting the sliders set perfectly to one's liking. I also use Denoise AI before any processing so most of the noise is controlled before I start editing my images. You've got a new subscriber - from western Canada!
Hey Terry.. What if I'm using Topaz Denoise. My normal process is that I import the photo into Lightroom CC and do some basic editing and cropping (no sharpening at this time I just leave it as it came into LR withe the sharpening already preloaded at 40 (amount) 10 (Rad) 25 (detail). I then Edit in Topaz Denoise and when it comes back into LR I do extra sharpening using the detail panel as you show in the video. Is this the best way or am I doing something wrong?
No Tim, that is a good way. I also use Topaz but with a few extra steps in Photoshop. I'll put a video together to show how I do all that in the near future.
Quick question .... (being new I have lots of them) ... once you get the head and eyes sharpened, would you continue to do the body? or will that effect the eyes and head? Thanks ... Great Lesson.
HI Gordon, on this process, I would sharpen the details that are important. I start at the eyes and work my way out for the final sharpening work, but the overall sharpening is done already in the first steps. In most cases, I wouldn't do more sharpening on the rest of the body.
HA, you have hit on one of the big differences of using LRC vs PS for sharpening. You can sharpen upon export but it's done blind so you don't see the results until after the export is done.
@@rodneytopor1846 I think LRC is "available" for some sharpening, but in the long run, there are some better ways. There are a ton of people that just want to do everything in LRC without venturing out.
Excellent! This fully explains the sharpening process in easy-to-understand terms. Thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful! That is what I am shooting for, easy to understand. Thanks for watching.
Terry, the sharpening in the masking is just a addon to the sharpening in the details panel. This means it just adds amount to the sharpening which is set in the main-details panel to accentuate parts of the image. In fact, you do the sharpening as usual in the details panel, but leave the amount slider to a smaller value than usual, the start masking of the main part of the image and add amount of sharpening just to the main part of the image which is selected by the masking.
Thanks for that clarification Robert.
Fantastic- I find all your tutorials to be extremely useful. Especially loved your series on beginning photoshop- am willing to now give it a go for certain edits. Thank you so much for your time in producing these videos.😊
You're very welcome Lyn. Thanks for watching.
Well explained to make a beginner understand . Thanks for the video Terry . Keep making videos on lightroom classic
Will do, thanks for watching.
I had lost my enthusiasm for photography partly due to not understanding the post processing of my images. I stumbled across one of your videos, you explained things well and I understood. So many channels are so focused on selling their products and not really focused on teaching. I will be seeing your work and going through images I have shot before. Thanks for the help.
Awesome Byron, welcome back to photography.
Not all videos are focused on adverts. Sure they are irritating …In RUclips just write a question the search box and you will get a series of videos(hopefully) on what you asked.
eg." how to edit in photoshop for beginners" how to...… (just write your own question). As well as this chaps tutorial, I found this instructor quite useful www.youtube.com/@phlearn
this is a monster tutorial. Just awesome. thanks. I am a fan. Need to get your book on sharpening.
Awesome, thank you!
I like your procedure Terry and it is pretty much the path that I follow. The thing I add and you did not discuss was the removal of noise. At what point in your editing do you remove the noise? I typically remove noise, if obvious, after the Basic panel adjustments and prior to sharpening.
I have learned to do my noise reduction last. But if all goes well, I'll do a video on Noise Reduction soon and why I do it last.
@@tv510 Thanks Terry......
These are nice refinements. I thought noise should be removed first so I will be interested in your video. Also, have you determined that this approach is equivalent to options available in PS, such as unsharp mask?
I am planning a comparison with the PS techniques, since I do most of my sharpening in Photoshop. Stay tuned and thanks for watching.
Hi Terry, I got to your video lastnight and I must say you are the best teacher, I love they way you should the diffrense, I love the way you teach
Wow, thank you!
This was So useful. I always thought I should mask then sharpen but now I understand the opposite is better. I also learned the function of radius and masking in sharpening. Thanks so much for this really useful tutorial!
You are welcome David. Thanks for watching.
Thanks, helped me lots, was having sharpening problems now I understand why.
You are welcome, thanks for watching.
BIG THUMBS UP FOR THE SHARPENING TIPS! And I like the way you started the video by reminding us that sharp images really start in the camera and with good photography shooting techniques..sharpening cannot save a BADLY BLURRED image...Thanks for the info...
Total truth right there. Thanks for watching.
Great explanation, I wasn't aware, that the order cropping/sharpening makes such a difference. Apart from that, I came to the same conclusions as you do. I wish Adobe would give us the complete sharpening options on a mask. That's on my wish list for a while now.
It will be awhile I'm sure. I think they will add an AI sharpening tool first, but that is just a guess.
This is the best video that made me understand sharpening. Thanks so much🎉
Excellent, glad it's working for you.
Hey Terry love your videos, just learning how to use light room classic myself and I use your videos. Question.. Do you use Ai denoise before cropping and sharpening or after? Thank you Terry
Hi Joshua, there are a couple of schools of thought on this. I will do all the work, exposure, cropping etc. first, THEN I will sharpen, then I will DeNoise. In that order. Hope that helps.
@@tv510 Thank you Terry, I greatly appreciate your advice
Cheers, Terry, cracking video. Very clear and easy to understand.👍
Glad you enjoyed it
It's a great tutorial, If using this sharpening method would you denoise afterwards.
Yes, it's a back and forth thing. If you sharpen first it makes noise more prominent. If you DeNoise first, you may have to do it again.
Very good tutorial ! thanks
You are welcome!Thanks for watching.
I like your approach and the way you explain things ! Thanks
You are welcome Jim. Thanks for watching.
Easy to follow technique with great results
Thank you for watching. I appreciate it.
Excellent tutorial. Thanks so much!
You're very welcome!
Hi great tutorial is it possible to sharpen a photo as you exlained but then also sharpen an object in the photo ? I film bird shows usually i'll take a pic that looks great but the bird is out of focus the birds are always in cages
First, try using manual focus so the camera doesn't choose the cage as a focus point. The only way to improve is to mask out the bird, (not the cage) and sharpen that. Good luck!
Wow !!!! I sure have learned a lot from this video. Thank you very much.
Thanks for watching Gerhard.
Terry thank you for taking my skills to a next level. Can you tell me when you would use the Denoise in your workflow? I have been making minor adjustments then using the AI denoise .... Thank you again.
I will Keith, I have a DeNoise video coming soon.
Thanks Terry for this very interesting subject. I never quite understood how to use sharpening before, but I constantly had issues with denoising and sharpening (APS-C!!!) wildlife photographs. I know about noise in shadows and sharpness in the subject, so it is a pity that you can't use the Alt-key to fine tune while masking.
I had better results using Topaz products (Denoise AI & Sharpen AI/Photo AI) anyway, but it's so easy to oversharpen, or having denoise in the way of sharpening without artifacts. What is your opinion here?
Is it important to remove default sharpening prior to do cropping and 'Basic' changes? Then a Preset might help.
To crop towards the center of the image, you should use the Alt key to save time and accuracy.
I also use Topaz for both sharpening and Denoise, but I do things a bit different. I plan to create a video on how I go about that soon. Thanks for watching.
Hi Terry, Having just come out of many years using Photoshop Elements I am finding my feet---and shoes to fit (LOL!)---in LrC! Your sharpening video was a great help. I note you said the "Develop" functions are arranged in a specific order and agree one should proceed in roughly that order. I assume that you jumped over a few functions (with the exception of cropping), after "Basic" to "Detail", either because the main topic of this video is sharpening and/or because the edits in the functions omitted were unnecessary since you had already done them in "Basic"? Also is it necessary to go through the process of making virtual copies each time for the sharpening process? Am now a subscriber, and regards, Fred Jansohn
Yes, I’ve covered basic processing before. No on the VC. I am only making them for instructional purposes. But they are a great way to try new procedures and compare. Thanks for watching.
@@tv510 Cheers Terry and thanks again. Fred Jansohn
Excellent video, very helpful. Thank you… M
You are Very Welcome!
I’ve mainly been using the clarity and texture sliders to try and sharpen subject-masked birds. I had begun to realise it was causing me problems, now I understand why :-) M
@@mjgbirder Glad I could help!
Very good instruction
Thanks Ray!
Great video and some excellent comparisons. I also use the little square in the Detail panel and hover over part of the image that's important - such as the eye in your wood duck. It sometimes helps in getting the sliders set perfectly to one's liking. I also use Denoise AI before any processing so most of the noise is controlled before I start editing my images. You've got a new subscriber - from western Canada!
Thanks David, I appreciate you watching and subscribing.
Was worth my time at first I thought you’d talk abt and on things but well done
Thanks for watching!
Hey Terry.. What if I'm using Topaz Denoise. My normal process is that I import the photo into Lightroom CC and do some basic editing and cropping (no sharpening at this time I just leave it as it came into LR withe the sharpening already preloaded at 40 (amount) 10 (Rad) 25 (detail). I then Edit in Topaz Denoise and when it comes back into LR I do extra sharpening using the detail panel as you show in the video. Is this the best way or am I doing something wrong?
No Tim, that is a good way. I also use Topaz but with a few extra steps in Photoshop. I'll put a video together to show how I do all that in the near future.
Great thanks, I too wonder when and if you apply noise reduction?
Absolutely, I’ll talk about noise in an upcoming video. I do noise last.
Terry what denoise programme do you use? Would you also do denoise last using DXO?
@@JohanLR22I use DeNoise in Lightroom Classic but for more detail work I use Topaz AI as a photoshop plug in. I’ve never used DXO.
@@JohanLR22 it should be 1 1/2 stops light loss on a typical Circular polarizer.
Thanks for the help! 👍👍
No problem 👍
Thanks Terry. Do you see any instances where visiting PS and using, say Hi-Pass, provides any further benefits??
No, not further benefits. That was the "old school" way of sharpening. The the new processes are much easier and faster and I think better results.
Quick question .... (being new I have lots of them) ... once you get the head and eyes sharpened, would you continue to do the body? or will that effect the eyes and head?
Thanks ... Great Lesson.
HI Gordon, on this process, I would sharpen the details that are important. I start at the eyes and work my way out for the final sharpening work, but the overall sharpening is done already in the first steps. In most cases, I wouldn't do more sharpening on the rest of the body.
@@tv510 Thanks and Great Job.
superb very well explained
Thank you Ravi.
Very helpful. Thank you!
You're welcome, Noel.
Fantastic video …. Greetings from Greece
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video
My pleasure, Thanks for watching.
Muy buen consejo (tutorial) 👍
De nada!
Great lesson, thank you.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching.
Great video.... OBG
YES! Thanks for watching!
Great video very helpful and informative for me a lightroom classic idiot.
Hi Sean, thanks for watching. You'll get better at it the more you use it. We all had the same feeling when we started using LRC.
bedankt Terry
Esti binevenit, multumesc pentru vizionare.
Photoshop allows you to resize your image and then sharpen the image at the size you wish to present it.. I wish Lightroom Classic would do the same.
HA, you have hit on one of the big differences of using LRC vs PS for sharpening. You can sharpen upon export but it's done blind so you don't see the results until after the export is done.
@@tv510 Exactly! Why isn't this limitation of LRC more widely recognised?
@@tv510 And thanks, I did learn more about the four sharpness sliders in LRC. Surprised that Radius > 1 can improve the sharpness of the image.
@@rodneytopor1846 I think LRC is "available" for some sharpening, but in the long run, there are some better ways. There are a ton of people that just want to do everything in LRC without venturing out.
Are you KIDDING? 24 MINUTES to explain how to sharpen? (How to Move two slides)
Yeah I know it was fast, but I had to cut some things out to keep it at a reasonable length.
So tired of sales pitches.
Thanks for watching though. I appreciate you sitting through the ads.