The Cursed Platoon: Afghanistan, a Trump pardon, and the soldiers left behind
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2020
- Clint Lorance had been in charge of his platoon for only three days when he ordered his men to engage three Afghans stopped on a dirt road. A conviction and pardon followed. Today, Lorance is hailed as a hero by President Trump and conservative media. His troops are still haunted by his crimes. Read more: wapo.st/3gfAKBe. Subscribe to The Washington Post on RUclips: wapo.st/2QOdcqK
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Attacking civilians is the best way to create terrorists
Rico M you know it was Biden who wanted us to go into Iraq after 9/11? Probably not because you're brainwashed into believing Trump is just a bad guy and the Dems are shining beacons of Hope and love.
@@jaredmendiguren2936 Very true. Add Hillary to that list too.
Facts bro
It's the other way around aswell bud... if u dont have order n discipline they're just gon become terrorists anyways
@@behenny3076 wait so u telling me. he release that war crime soldiers is okay? and what if those citizens never became terrorist u cant just assume things
When your own platoon doesn’t cover for you, you’re probably a psychopath.
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Two days on the job. Platoon full of questionable characters. Look them up. Quite few with record, smoking dope and not working once they ETSd.
Edward Gallagher situation
@@haloguy628 your dumb as dirt
@@haloguy628 As someone who once commanded a platoon I can tell you that the 'questionable character' appears to be Lorance. From the moment he assumed command he proved himself tactically incompetent, with no grip on reality or common sense. He also did not seem to have the capacity to listen to his NCO's or factor their experience and knowledge into his planning. That's a dangerous trait in a junior officer and coupled with everything else was a recipe for disaster. Regardless of the life choices those platoon members made once they ETSd it's clear they were performing well and had a professional, workable understanding of what was required to counter insurgents prior to Lorance being inflicted on them. The only thing I'd say in his defense is that he should never have been placed in that role in the first place. Once he was there he should have been very closely monitored higher up the chain and this clearly didn't happen. The first time he ordered his troops to fire at civilians for no discernible reason should have seen him immediately fired from that role.
As a veteran I’m disgusted that this guy got out of jail after what he did to innocent civilians..& I’m sorry the other veterans there have to deal with this
Thank you for your service.
Same here THANKS for your service!!! It feels Like America is loosing its identity but people like u are a great example of the “American soldier”
Sadly the people supporting this dude are the same people who believe elections were rigged. Are people who have no grip on reality😂
where are the other 28s statements..? last time i checked two wasnt a platoon..
What would have happened if they refused to fire on the motorcycle?
As a US veteran I am disgusted that this lieutenant didn't remain behind bars. I would rather stand by the 30 than the one anyday!
I trust my military. If a whole platoon said that he was in the wrong, I believe them.
I agree 💯
Same situation happened with that SEAL that Trump Pardoned as well. Most of his team sided against him.
That's exactly it, very rare to get a whole platoon going against their CO for nothing.
@@MrZachgonz in that situation their stories didnt all add up, they lied.
This was on before independence day it's Clint is a douchebag crimes against humanity saw this 2 months ago
30 of his own guys didn’t back him up? That should speak volumes.
That exactly why he was convicted and sent to prison for 19 years.
His former Commander said after his release:" The tragedy of pardoning Lorance isn't that he will be released from prison - I've found room for compassion there. The tragedy is that people will hail him as a hero, and he is not a hero."
Kev Mikhail is he still out of jail?
Says someone who has never been to boot camp
I don't believe this YT video tells the whole story. I only saw a few accuse him, not 30. You wouldn't believe the politics and social dynamics within a platoon. I served and these things are rarely simple.
The military sand that brotherhood crap is all a show. It’s more like a fraternity. There are no current wars, so everyone is quick to denounce each other and knock the other down for promotions at any cost. That’s the real American military. This isn’t saving private. Yea there are a few platoons that get along usually in Afghanistan or high combat zones, but they are far and few in between. That’s the problem with having a standing army during peacetime. But it is what it is. If there is no fighting, then of course officers are going to play favorites. There’s no real repercussion to pick the best soldiers because there is no real war.
I’m Afghan and I’m so proud of you all sharing this. You are the real hero’s. Thank you
Sorry
They ruined your country and they are heroes?! Lol colonised mind spotted.
As a military man, I'm so grateful that your eyes had seen this. For a lot of us, we were ignorant to the hidden agenda our government had and just thought we were meant to help.
You aren't hymr
“The people that think American soldiers are beyond reproach, actually diminishes our service.”
Truth…as a career soldier and veteran of action on multiple continents, I agree.
His own men didn't even back him up, that should tell you something right there.
They followed his orders when they know they arent supposed to do things when it isnt right. Its the first thing you learn in the military. They didnt stand up for whats right and are blaming their CO. They all messed up.
@@Guyle11 thats human nature, to follow orders from a hierarchy. You would have done the same. Plenty of studies prove it, including the Stanford prison experiment, and the voltage experiment.
@@damiensoubassis2738 integrity first.
Both of yall are right
@AnEReCTeDMooSe oh ok
When your battle buddies aren’t protecting you that shows something downright horrible went down
The fact that there is only THREE PEOPLE out of a whole platoon talking bad about him really proves you wrong.
@@daveortwine2107 Did you miss the part where many of them died?
Battle Buddies?? The man had just arrived because the platoons shitbird attitude allowed there previous commander to be injured.
@@daveortwine2107 are you stupid people like you disgust me
@Hello Everyone Did not attack him for his political stance I am a conservative and I think what lorance did was horrible and he should be in prison
As a former US Army Infantryman who served in the Iraq war, I too was a member of a platoon which was endangered by 2 consecutive poor Lt’s. It is a very complicated situation, which must be dealt with very carefully. We were fortunate enough to have a solid CO, and most importantly, lucky enough to have time to deal with the situation before anything too bad happened. I feel very bad for all of these soldiers (aside from the Lt.) They should be proud of their service, and the actions they took to correct the situation. My 2 cents.
"The people who think American Soldiers are beyond reproach, actually diminish our service." - I thought that was the most powerful quote of the documentary.
These men are so clearly in pain. I hope they find a way to forgive themselves and begin to heal.
Yes,they are in so much pain..and Trump pardoned that freak..and he took the pardon and claimed his bullSHIT hero status..I WONDER HOW MUCH THAT COST?...
Come on, pain or guilt. They should be consumed with guilt for turning on one of their own who only had their well being in mind. War is war and it is not a Sunday outing with friends and family. Bad things happen. Learn to live with it and go on. I did and millions of Americans have before me and since. This officer was doing his job and these gutless wonders threw him under the bus to protect their own sorry hides.
@@edclay28551 shooting civilians isn’t part of war. i would love to see you say exactly that comment in front of my platoon. Little Ed wouldn’t be acting so tough:
@@edclay28551 I recognize a coward when I witness one, sitting behind a screen typing with a lot to say without ever once been in a war!!!! Would love to see you frontline, mark my words you wouldn't be able to imagine what it's like to be in real combat....my final words.....soldiers never take innocent lives, we sworn to protect! Son, you're speaking out of your ars!!!!
@@ingodwetrust8195 there are civilian casualties usually more casualties than soldiers.
You can tell they all genuinely cared about the Afghans...man just one bad apple can ruin everything
They said it took years to build relationship. All that went away in a few seconds
cops reading this comment 👁👄👁
@@CDNShuffle ok... let em
@@CDNShuffle wtf is that even implying?
@@CDNShuffle I understand, but the cop's "bad apples" is 40% of their applicants who have sociopath tendencies (according to the former Assistant FBI Director, who performs the tests world wide). It's 7% in the general public.
You can really see the pain in their eyes. I hope the rest of these guys can find peace at some point in their lives.
5:40 holy crap that made my heart drop nick was my first and best friend all through basic I never knew that this was this exact unit where all this crazy stuff happened miss that guy for sure he was a great dude can’t believe he’s in this documentary wow 😢
Carson was one of a kind
"Killing Afghans and lying about it on fox is the reputation of America"this one hit solid.
You are random AF....
What? All the outlets support the wars dude
SWAT Kats - no one is mentioning Obama dude... it’s an American problem, not a presidential one. The US is basically just a fawning cult for the military, presidents will always support military spending - to be a US President is almost part in parcel with war crimes.
@Gottenburg No they are not. But Obama’s Drone Strikes are certainly milked for all they are worth by Trumptards to smooth over Trumps endless string of failures.
@@jameslinmd Huh? Your comment makes no sense.
I worry about Lucas. His eyes says he's hurting and with the dreams his having, I hope gets help before its too late.
Agree I was a counselor USMC and saw those eyes and heard those nightmares from many that regrettably (or luckily) got in trouble.
Looks like he’s turned into an addict .. Xannys or opiates.. his pupils are small in some shots , large in others.. looks like he’s turned emo..
@@utopianfurbiscuit VA don't play that. They do px alot of ssri's and mood enhancers. When I was working , there was a Wild Crazy full bird Capt that was all about naltrexone for addiction and PTSD.
You base this off of nothing and you're a fool for such wild assumptions. Just because he served doesn't mean he has night terrors or anything. I served for 6 years in the Army, I don't but I know some that do. To sit there and generalize such a serious problem and paste it on someone you've never even seen IRL is sad. You are just another kid looking for some inner meaning that isn't there because you haven't been there or experienced everything.
@@AdamWallace-pi1bk You do you, and quit projecting and lashing out for someone who shows reasonable concern... unless..
That is you? ... And YOU are really asking for help? 🤔
Prime example of how one guy can mess things up for an entire group or even an entire country. For the men that did their job and stood up against lies, we are proud of you guys!
You guys are what's good and decent about this country! You make me so proud to be part of this country with you. That guy is a monster and karma will catch up with him. Please don't look down on yourself cause we've lost to many of you already! Thank you so much and God bless you!
Thanks for the kind words!
I’ve been in a few different platoons, and I’ve never seen an entire platoon turn their back on someone, without reason.
Also I’ve seen the same BULLSHIT of working for MONTHS to build relationships with locals only to have some hotshot come in and blow it all to hell.
This is disgraceful.
Do you think it wierd 1 by 1 the platoon is dying stateside..... 😔
@inverteddouche gone are the days when you could have different political beliefs, and still get along. I'll admit that I cannot have an intelligent conversation with trumpers, but real Republicans I still hold some respect for. People forget that we are all different, and don't have to agree on everything. I'm against abortion, but I'm also against telling someone what to do with their bodies. I own guns, and exercise my 2nd amendment right daily, but I feel like there should be checks and balances. That's my opinion. Yours may be different, and that's your right.
inverteddouche your comment makes me proud of the country I have migrated to and all the blessings that came w it. Thank you for your service.
@inverteddouche okay first of all. china wouldnt even do that. media and trump are lying to u. like we have people say virus came from china but it came from europe. the only reason why u believe it because america and trump love to keep blaming on china. china would never attack america. you know how dumb that will be? anyways I do agree with the others this soldier should stay in prison
gokar riba And he would’ve had each of them court martialed for disobeying orders. Notice how most of them didn’t shoot and only a few did? There was absolutely nothing wrong with those few, they were just following orders and didn’t happen to think that their leader could be wrong. Nothing wrong with that at all and it’s easy to say they shouldn’t have shot in retrospect.
If Clint Lawrence did commit a war crime he should be put in prison. Those men his men basically who testified against him were ignored and threatened. Those 30 men did nothing wrong but the past still haunts them. Atleast these men signed up for the military right so its really dishonorable to threaten them
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@@ferdrewflores3014 THANK YOU SIR
@The historian then we should put all the former presidents in jail, it’s because of them our people are there
@R M SIR I USED THE TERM 'IF' AS SOME PEOPLE MIGHT FIND IT OFFENSIVE IF I USED HE DID IT. I DIDN'T MEAN HE DIDN'T DO IT HE MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE. FURTHER INVESTIGATION WILL PROVE IT. PLUS THE US ARMY IS NOT FULL OF TERRORISTS. MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GOOD BUT SOME R BAD.
@R M I generally found the American soldier to be a decent person. There must hv been bad eggs too. But, I wouldn't put them in the same category as you hv done. Most Afghan I spoke to were also happy for the Americans to be there as it gave them an opportunity to earn a living.
Both groups were fighting for their countries, is heart breaking when one realizes is fighting for nothing and the best, is to look forward for that day to come back home.
But your enemy is at home, serving their country, fighting for their home.
I hope the other members of this platoon find peace and strength, you did nothing wrong. Thank you and you may not know it but many people support your decision and appreciate what you all have done.
God bless you all!!
I love how everyone here is showing support to the veterans with him but not the victim afghans. Really shows the mindset of the 'liberating' Americans
Their names are Haji Mohammed Aslam and Ghamai Abdul Haq and they are not forgotten
The victims in Iraq too. 1 million civilians were m.u.r.d.e.r.e.d. in the name of WMDs that even to this day were not found.
And this is why no one stays in the army. Just because your an officer doesn’t mean your automatically a leader.
They need to clone jocko willink and leif babin 100 times over
i was gullabull in school time after time i was mislead by trust , so after a while you stand alone, never trusted or got close to anyone claiming they friend, i would of been that guy who got disciplined i never listened i never trusted what was said these SOLDIERS CAN DO SOMETHING when you know deep down this is fucked up
USMC
The army sucks and that makes me sad. I really enjoyed being a soldier.
"you're"
If the entire platoon turned him in , I believe the platoon . You can see the pain in their eyes. 😔
Bryan Bradley stfu
Bryan Bradley Damn troll, gtf outta here
Bryan Bradley dumbass they had orders they have no say , if they don’t obey they have consequences as well with the u.s. military laws.
I only see 3 rats not the entire platoon.
It does not really matter in my opinion, but I don't have all of the facts, but I'm going to give my experience anyways. I spent multiple tours of duty in Afghanistan and I too was 82nd Airborne before becoming a Green Beret in Group 3. It is true that the Taliban and Haqqani Network (enemy) heavily use and rely on motorcycles. Of course so do innocent people, it's a poor country and cars are more expensive on average. However there were intelligence briefings that the Taliban and Haqqani Network were using motorcycles and that many if not most on motorcycles could be enemy. These intelligence reports were frequent and is was a well known and understood fact that you wanted to pay extra close attention to these motorbikes and more importantly their riders. What most Americans do not understand is that rural Afghan men carry weapons, usually rifles (AK-47, 74,... whatever!) It's not like they wear uniforms as we are required to, so identifying the enemy is extremely difficult. Just as there are many people who legally own and use firearms in the USA, many own and rightfully use firearms in Afghanistan. However due to the fact that the enemy and civilians are indistinguishable it makes for a ridiculously scary scenario. That's on top of having in the back of your mind that every step you take, every foot you drive in vehicle could your last in Afghanistan, thanks to the enemy's number one killer, IED's. Rules of engagement often require some sort of overt act of violence used upon us before we can respond with equal or greater violence of action. So all these above factors give the enemy enormous advantage, they can blend into the local populations, they can carry firearms and they usually choose the time and place of attack or ambush. Often they do all of the above at the same time, which makes for an even more dangerous situation. So I was there (In Afghanistan) in the years before this Platoon and there was a reason why these intelligence reports were so widely distributed, many US soldiers were wounded or killed because the enemy could blend in. They would use these motorbikes like they were the poor version of the Hells Angels lol, except and again, they don't wear a vest or patches, uniforms, etc. So very, very long and complicated story is this particular 1st Lt., probably shouldn't have been given the position he was, but it's war and he was asked to replace the previous Lt., who had died. He was put into a difficult situation and with little to absolutely no actual (battle) combat experience, he's thrust into a tough spot (literally and figuratively). He's now leading men he barely knows, whom he knows don't trust or really like him, are borderline insubordinate and he's scared! He's been reading these intel reports that have influenced his decision making process, etc. So taking all of that into account he see's three scary looking (Taliban looking dudes) riding a motorcycle towards his men. It's far off in the distance but close enough to see its a possible threat, take that back, definite threat in his mind. I'm not here to defend the man as I wasn't there, but I think the media has done a terrible job of properly explaining the situation or story. All they focus on is the bent out of shape soldiers who in reality told or turned in him, to protect themselves. They were trying to save their own asses and avoid punishment, dishonorable discharge, criminal charges, etc. Granted he (Lt. Lorance) gave the commands and should have waited a second longer or two, then fired warning shots, etc. The story does not add up and I agree Lt. Lorance probably acted out of unnecessary fear, lack of experience, training, etc. However I do not agree with the media's narrative or that Lt. Lorance should have been given the punishment he received. It is war and it is scary regardless, he had previously worked in an intelligence gathering capacity/FOB, where he had read about the threat of motorbike riders often being the enemy, or rather that the enemy was heavily using motorbikes to travel and transport personel and weapons, etc. So he of course wants to protect his men at all costs and war isn't pretty, you do whatever you have to so that you can go home, your brother's next to you can go home and you do whatever it takes to make that happen. For as long as war has existed, which is pretty much since the beginning of time, it's either you or them, in this case it's the same, Lt. Lorance felt at that moment that he needed to act to protect his men and he did what he thought was justifiable. Of course we all know in the end he made a terrible mistake and it cost innocent people their live's, but anyone whom has not fought on the front lines of war, don't comment or do stories on something you know nothing about. All of those commenting who've never served or fought in actual combat theater, think twice, because you really don't know what it's like. For as long as fighting has existed, people have been put in the position of me or them, us or them, etc. Not saying it's always right to do whatever or anything to stay alive and or "win," what I'm saying is you are in a position of great responsibility and the outcome is life or death. Or a leader, someone whom has to watch over and command those beneath them, this burden is twice what it is for those taking the order's and it's incredible what that can do to mentally influence your decision making.
Thank you for this documentary.
A psychopath was pardoned by a psychopath and hailed as a hero by even more psychopaths. Makes me sick.
Wow he says that he was protecting his men but his own men that he was “protecting” went against him in court something tells me he wasn’t “protecting” them at all
Well, pray tell, what is that something telling you he was not protecting his men? Were you there to have seen what happened? NO! Well did you get to see any hard evidence that he was not protecting his men? NO! Then you must be a magi with a see all know all mind. Of course that is it, that is what you are! NO! Then you must be a moron who believes everything that is said to them without checking out the facts for themselves. I suppose you also were a combat platoon leader who has been in battle. Who has had to give orders under the stress of a fire fight or a combat situation! NO!!!! Well dang it is amazing that "something" tells you he was not protecting his men! Again, what is that something? It is nothing !!! That is what it is! Just like the BS his disloyal troops spewed out to ease their own guilt. The platoon leader did what he thought was the best course of action to keep his men alive.
@@edclay28551 hey bud, stop being stupid go read the case files. The evidence and testimony is damning. His own platoon testified against him. We need to hold soldiers, especially Special Forces, to higher standards.
Do not care. Squealing is squealing!
and his job was to protect and help the people there and he shoot them for no reason
@@edclay28551 why are you getting so defensive over a war criminal? Were you there to have seen what happened? NO! Well did you get any hard evidence that he was protecting his men? NO! Then you must be a magi with a see all know all mind!
Lolol, see how dumb you sound. 🤣
This man was a murderer he shouldn't of never been released
@THE REAL L.C should be released*
ZTOX *shouldn’t be released
@@angermanagement844 should
ZTOX shouldn’t*
My bad auto correct I think you guys understood what I was trying to say lol
I’m so happy the Air Force recruiter stopped me before walking in the Marine door.
But they were in the Army
Were happy too
I'm so sorry you all have suffered so badly. God bless you all, love and hugs from Australia xx💕💕
Never heard this story before I’m speechless can’t believe the president pardoned a murderer to the remaining 1st platoon stay strong boys people believe in you
You didn’t hear about the Eddie Gallagher another war criminal who threatened his fellow seals
You'll be amazed of the thi g we have done in war. Even against our own. 😐
@Joe Gar You don't have any idea what you're talking about
@Joe Gar The helicopter didn't show up until after the murders.
@Joe Gar imagine actually thinking you know more than or better than people who were there, lol
The two men on the bike is the real victims. Rip.
They had ties to IED bombings wdym
@@abdurahmanrepole6413 Still can't make up your own ROE like this he pretty much did. Like many others have said if he was doing right by his men or following real orders all 30 would of backed him up. Even if it was true to shoot MAMs on bikes they would have backed him up.
Those homies had families just like everyone reading this. They suffer the most and nobody thinks about them because they're not American.
@@abdurahmanrepole6413
Dont know if this is true or not,
But even then, how would he be able to tell? They ride motorcycle = IED
@@abdurahmanrepole6413 ignorant fortnite player smh
Does he understand that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt?
That’s why Lieutenants without a Ranger Tab should not be Platoon Leaders
I don't agree. My first PL didn't have a tab, and he was more than competent. For what it's worth, this is a unit from my brigade being discussed here. Without a doubt, that deployment was far worse than the one Lorance was on, and we buckled down and did it. Ranger School doesn't necessarily make you a leader, and psychopaths can exist anywhere. Ranger School gives you the tools to be a leader, whether or not you use those tools is up to you.
The trauma that these human beings were put through at the hands of an unqualified sociopath is untenable! The bridges they worked so hard to build in that community were burnt to the ground and the man responsible walks free? Keep telling this story; it's powerful.
Nothing is as powerful (power fool) as your imposition of importance...To Anyone...EVER. M G.
Holocausticfumes what does that mean
Not only walks free. Is honored by the president and praised non stop on Fox news.
@@Holocausticfumes I think the paint fumes have gone to your head, Ivan. ты стоишь открытый товарищ
@Gottenburg Fake News Ivan. No previous president has openly pardoned a war criminal for a bump in the polls. ты стоишь открытый товарищ
'...he was an office dweller. He should have never been assigned a field commission.'
Air conditioned lol
Your always infantry first that's why you do arms training.
Office dweller sounds like a lot of people who have jobs don’t let them in the field they stuff everything up. They prefer to be a office dweller because they don’t like to be outside doing the hard work. They tick all the boxes for the job but reality is they ain’t cut for it.
@Apoorv Srivastava Are you serious?
@@nkosistrainbullies5806 "You're"
I really feel for these real hero’s... god please bless them and a speedy recovery for their mental health
I remember being sick when he was pardoned. We all knew. I’m so sorry you had to witness that assholes actions.
I feel disgusted at Clint Lorance for lying. Karma always has a funny way of catching up with guys like him.
I'd love karma finally do it’s thing.
toomuchtime Yup!
How karmatic (is that a word?!) would it be if Lorance took up motorcycle riding and got hit by a stray bullet or a car.. just sayin’ 🤷🏽♂️ He will get his one way or another, the universe never forgets.
People like them will be senator or director of CIA or the FBI karma will take long time to catch up with him . Till then they will lead a good life and the rest will suffer.
Irish Jester No one escapes judgment. Trump will be punished for his misdeeds in some form. His family will bear the brunt of the fallout from his choices once he passes, if Trump truly loves his family, he will suffer when he realizes this.
He is a lying , disgraceful piece of ... The rest of the platoon are honorable , decent , conscientious men. I have the highest respect for the burden. that they carry.
Honorable men dont make it home alive..
CreatureOTNight COTN You’re actually saying all vets that make it back are not honorable? Are you special in the head?
Shiro Okami Sir you misunderstand the comment . That’s certainly not what it means.
@Bryan Bradley Your first comment, asinine as it was, didn't seem half as flimsy as it does after your second, clumsily fabricated comment.
Are they?
Damn!! I am also a afghanistan veteran but this story is hard😔 we had also i high ranked major who deployed in our group for 2 days, when we where surrounded by taliban this guys hide in a quala and doing nothing. Months later when we where back in our country, with the medal presentation this guy gets one off the highest medal that you can earn 😐wtf!! those guys are the biggest losers with the biggest story. But this story is hard😓 the real veterans who are speaking the truth i salute you guys. You guys are the real heroes. Rust in peace the real heroes who died because a stupid high ranged soldier wants great stupid war storys for at home. Real soldier are silence and respect what's happened there.
13:23 that is pretty sad realization. Most of us are fail in our own lives but to make a village, community, city, country worse unintentionally has to be painful.
The fact that people actually believed Clint makes me sick, just imagine being some dude on a Motorcycle on a stroll and being killed for doing nothing, and having people support the man that ordered your death
@shadow faze Using that as a standpoint doesn't justify what Clint did, if you had any form of reasoning you would understand that. Besides, Obama didn't personally order the killing of kids, and at the time the majority of killed kids were caused by the kids committing suicide-bombings.
@shadow faze where were you when Obama killed Osama Bin laden?! Oh and by the way innocent blood is on every United States president's hands...
@@jacquelinejones622 literally everyone in the world rejoiced when obama ordered that operation
@@bruhbruh6315 that's his point...
The UCMJ suffers from command influence so as an objective matter even the court martial is suspect. I want to trust the enlisted guys - they should not be vilified. Bad karma for sure. No winners here.
Wtf how has this Lt been pardoned! 30 men testified against him 🤷♂️ so messed up
@@NightFight164 Agreed ! Something is rotten in Denmark. Moneybags got this mug out of prison. He should have just man-ned up and did 10 on good behavior. Its not right that he skates free like he did nothing wrong after obviously lying about what really occured that Day !
Here's one for you!! Here in Australia we had one of these that became Australian of the Year (nominated by govt and the Queen), became head of one of Australia's TV networks and is best friends with an Australian billionaire!!! So, go figure....happens everywhere I'm afraid!!
Don’t worry. Those racist rats in the SAS/ADF will get their serving.
The media for once is catching up
Funnily enough I served same time as BRS....No one spoke to us about a Prisoner we detained and gave to his team...I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT INDIVIDUAL DID, I SAY AGAIN DID MAKE IT BACK TO TARIN KOWT FOR PROCESSING...SO THAT SAID MY TEAM( NOT SASR) DID SEE THE PRISONER( PUC) HANDED OVER AND STILL BREATHING...THATS MY SWORN RECOLLECTION BUT WE NEVER GOT ASKED ONLY READ THAT ALLEDGED PRISONER THROWN OUT OF A US AIRFRAME...WHEN WE WITNESSED THAT INDIVIDUAL AT OTHER END OF FLIGHT HE LOOKED ALRIGHT FOR SOMEONE THAT HAD BEEN THROWN FROM AIRFRAME!
Real courage is telling the truth. Best of luck to those men who came forward to do what was right.
I respect those guys, yall continue to tell the world what he did.
yeah but so far no one is listening and doing anything
@@pokebreeder2517 that is so true, because they dont want to hear the truth.
@Hellfire Sy wdym ur winning?!?!
@Hellfire Sy "most blacks are muslim" that's not true. Refer to us as "black people."
Hellfire Sy what r u on about ? I’m so confused and most black people are not Muslims tf😂 even in Africa more people are Christian mixed with animist (traditional tribal religions) bruh tf 😂😂
This is actually incredible that these honest soldiers tell the public what’s the truth i truly respect that.
@anonymous Daniel Rivera's comment was very powerful and you fucked it up with your conspiracy theories. Our men fight pars surrounded by money, power and fucked up leadership. Not some illuminati bullshit. It's just Trump and his idiotic admin.
My respect for them for telling the truth
@@singho23 he isn't bullshit and the illuminati is real, the order of the bavarian illuminati is a real masonic order, it just changed it name and organization after the original bavarian illuminati disbanded. The Also corporations gain power and authority with our government through abusing departments and programs like ALEC to pay to get bills they want written and passed.
Apoorv Srivastava well what’s the proof of the captain being honest? If there were 100 people who saw somebody get shot but nobody recorded it, is it true? We usually have to believe them because it is majority. They say an untampered witness is the best form of evidence. It’s like 6 against 1 here and people’s lives have been taken. I’d rather believe the 6 of them vs the 1 new guy.
who invited the talking taco? The Illuminati was a branch of Christianity that went away hundreds of years ago. You people just LOVE to pump your buttholes full of conspiracy theories. The Illuminati was a real thing but not even close to what you think it is. Just because IN THE UNITED STATES there is free industry and companies HAVE THE ABILITY TO GAIN MONEY AND CONTROL A PRODUCT doesn’t mean they’re going to take over the world and all the nations. Conspiracy theorists should be classified as mentally disabled
This is both heartbreaking and sickening, but I commend these brave soldiers who had the guts to tell the truth and to do what is right.
Thank you for you honesty and your service.
The truth always comes to light.
Clint will get his day.
He should not be pardoned!
This guys are so hurt. Their eyes, their body language, and the tone of their voice says everything.
@old school honour and respect. naah.. i don't have to tell you everything. Stop being hypocrite.
@old school honour and respect. you want to use sarcasm
old school honour and respect. Oh you’re so cool
I know right. The LT looks like he doesn't care about anyone but himself. He's probably so happy he got all this fame and attention and I hate so much people who use the name of the army to glorify themselves.
U know he’s wrong when his whole platoon that was actually there is telling u he’s lying
I can't even imagine the psychological stress of dealing with situation.
Imagine going to war and getting PTSD from it and then this happens when you get home! This is one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever seen in my life.
Murd3ring innocent people is disgusting too. They are not the real victims.
One act killed a whole platoon whether physically or in spirit.
Or both
His own guys didnt even back him up he obviously is guilty
Native 92 not only did they not back him up, they are the ones who described the actions taken that day and wrote the statements that were turned in to the higher ups for the review of his behavior. So not only did they just sit there snd nit back him up, they are the ones responsible for him going to court and ultimately thrown in prison. That speaks volumes and imo is basically as good as gospel. There is no doubt in my mind that this man is guilty of war crimes and had a piss poor attitude, he went into that platoon with a sense of grandeur trying to prove something to those guys and went about it in the absolute worst way possible. I dont know how anyone in their right mind could possibly think that this one man was the one telling the truth when his entire platoon says he is lying. Smh.
punanie05 but if they complied with his orders at the time that makes them a war criminal as well, double standards?
@@acentrixes1380 nope. That’s not quite how that works, but I can see where you are coming from.
Spoken like somebody who
has obviously never served...
@@acentrixes1380 jeez don’t speak on something u have no knowledge on.... u don’t disobey ur commanding officer in the military bud
Shame for the gunner that took the responsibility for carrying out the order. I’ve heard those guys tend to be pretty desensitized as they’re always up top, the first to engage and their weaponry does pretty catastrophic damage.
Anyone that’s served in Afghanistan or knows people who have who will talk about it knows this type of thing is far more common than the government will ever admit
Civilians aren’t the enemy, these men are the true heroes.
part 3 Read before you comment.. He’s saying the troops against the killing of civilians, the ones who spoke out against it are the heroes..
Spencer Radie thank you!
part 3 🤡
Nick Kurr lmao!😂👍🏽
llewellyn evans yes, but there are many civilians that don’t have anything and don’t want anything against the US. Most times civilians are the enemy because they are forced to or are following a rebellion against the US troops walking through patrolling their villages.
I met a guy one day at a Alcoholics Anonymous meeting who told me the exact same story but didn’t mention any names or rankings. I can tell it was bad when he started off the story saying the Commanding Officer ordered to go to house to house kicking down doors and beating Innocent Afgan civilians for no reason. He said seeing the dead children hunting him every night and would drink liquor until he would pass out. Thinking back now I remember thinking to myself at the time that this guy didn’t even look like a war killer but now watching this video and seeing how young these guys were in the Platoon I feel like the Commanding officer took advantage of these young men.
There are many stories. They are simply doing to my people. What they did to Native American, Black people, then the big boogeyman were communists, Vietnam loooooooong list.
USA needs an enemy to be a union.
How do you know he was duped
Joseph Bragg
how do you know he wasnt duped?
@MRS. FAGAN with all due respect sir, no one is going to believe that. I'm also an American, but actions speak louder than words.
R.I.P to those soldiers from this platoon and others that are no longer here 💯
Oh my God the cursed platoons have won my heart what a piece the best documentary I heard in last decade
Just imagine how many times this have happened but no one came forward to speak the truth.
Probably more times than most people want to believe or think😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥
Too many to count
there's many many stories. You sign away all that you were and theres consequences if you speak up especially if you have a clearance.
Vietnam, for example.
We die at hands of these "patriots" but are still the "enemy".
Normal people going about their daily business are the "other" and the "enemy".
As a veteran sailor who served two tours in the gulf and having two sons in today’s military, I commend those who soldiers speaking out the truths. God bless and be safe.
War is ruthless. See the pain in their eyes. May there be peace in the world.
Thank you for covering this
I feel for these guys.... they are so gutted.. just look in their eyes...
I back this statement 110%
My heart goes out to these guys as well. It hurt to see the disillusionment and pain in their eyes. I wish I could let them know that they are good, honorable men. They are everything a soldier should be. They had the professionalism and courage to attempt to achieve success in their own AO. Then they had the courage and integrity, as enlisted men, to speak the truth about an officer who had committed a crime. I don't think those who have never served can understand the balls it takes for enlisted men to do this, particularly when it involves calling out the unlawful behavior of a commissioned officer. They are head and shoulders above disingenuous politicians and foolish journalists. I wish they knew how proud so many of us are of them.
5 disgruntled soldiers!!
💯💯
More sorry for the afghan people that had to accept the fact that their family die with no justice
Next year the Afghanistan War will be old enough to drink.
Jacob W Rossi that’s sickening man
@Uncle Ruckus the Military industrial Complex owns our Government. Hell, its the only thing that always has bipartisan approval.
Damn really
And your point is what, exactly?
at 20?
I can’t imagine being in a situation like that and understand that it is an impossible task to do everything correct. I was on the fence about this incident but when everyone else on your side doesn’t defend you it becomes crystal clear that you were no hero and actually the criminal...
Lucas Benjamin Gray
Definition of a real man. Thank you for your service.
Netflix should pick this story up!
This LT is trash!!
Starz did a docu-series on it called Leavenworth if you're interested
@@toddtoad I will see it. Thanks
It's on Hulu
I bet enemy activity in that particular area dropped off for a month. I only saw three sergeants complaining in this Netflix special as well. Hmmm
@@Daveed1984 what is it called please
Why is it that thay believe one man over the hole platoon
They didn't hence why he was arrested but president can pardon so he did.
Because they want to. It's called patriotism. Except their version of patriotism has nothing to do with right and wrong. The way to control Americans is to accuse those who speak up as being un-patriotic, un-American (whatever that means). To make that really powerful you first institute the myth of America's goodness, bringing freedom to oppressed peoples. Nothing could be further than the truth. The American dream is the same as American foreign policy, it's all about money and resources and unbridled avarice. It's a hollow victory, an empty philosophy, empty loveless lives. How very foolish. Not that there aren't good Americans, of course there are. Many.
@Dj d You have completely misunderstood.
Cruz of right wing media
Because of Fox news as well as a clown of a president.
That's the reputation of the United States, well said my friend.
How does a murderer get a hero’s welcome when he gets out. ONLY IN AMERICA
Bro that’s crazy, you can tell the whole squad is genuinely telling the truth. Remember folks, in every race, organization, religion & etc. there is good and there is bad.
Unless ur in America were if u got the right complexion for the protection of wrong that can be committed the same as any other group of people but yet get slaps on the wrist
@@hbsupreme1499 well said! wow
@@hbsupreme1499 exactly
BEAUTIFULLY SAID
Well Said 👌
I hate when people say "they are fighting for your rights respect the Flag and the troops". What are our rights doing in Afghanistan or Iraq? That isn't Democracy that's Imperialism. Meanwhile people in America are being teargassed and terrorized by police departments with full on military gear. Yikes
Its disgusting how the Republican party has evolved from Lincoln, Eisenhower, supporting human rights, our constitutional rights, to what is today, supporting war crimes abroad and a racist police state at home
We must leave the middle east
@@kvnd7331 yes those democrat pedovores really do it right! Right? Jeez how old or intelligent do you have to be there is no good party or politician! None! Whole thing must be rebuilt from ground up... I'm not saying anything that everyone or anyone reading this doesn't know.
And this is a very obvious hit piece which is my 1st instinct to question. When did wapo and the rest get so opinionated and judgemental? These media freaks are the worst of all! And they stir us all up and we let them and fight each other and or stay asleep! Please wake up guys.... Love ya all
@@llso-lovelightsoundoneness1606
You know telling people to "wake up" isn't exactly helping anything
@@LermaBeanI would never say or ask for anything that I haven't done or wouldn't do...
1. He killed civilians and yet people tried to justify it. They posed no immediate threat and showed no signs of hostility.
2. His whole platoon didn’t even speak up for him, they all denounced him. The very next day his own troops turned him in, 14 people testified against him. You know you fucked up when your own battle buddies doesn’t even stick up for you.
In all honesty, this is one of the tools terrorists use to recruit people, whenever civilians are killed in Afghanistan or Iraq it only fuels more hate and makes those people side with the very groups you’re there to fight. This is one reason why the War on Terror will never end. To those who agree with him don’t know anything about war crimes or rules of engagement.
You’re gonna threaten a battle hardened soldier??😂 go ahead tough guy 🤦🏽♂️
And we have the nerve to ask why these other countries hate America. I wonder how long before we hear about this same war criminal but as a cop that killed an unarmed Black man
@ Oh screw off with the Bullshit, all you can spew is your anti-abortion BLM is communist KKK. Stop pushing your stupid agenda.
@ can't even spell marxist right. Yet we're supposed to consider your opinion. Truth is, by attacking a movement that has done so much for a group that has been oppressed for centuries, you reveal to all that you indeed are the racist. The points you are making are incredibly asinine, pick up a book some time.
@SA S what BS is the BS your spewing cause I highly doubt that you have any secret memos about there agenda or if they're giving money to the Dems. So all your doing is giving an opinion or spewing some BS from something you read or heard. Or you just made it up for your own agenda.
I’m a conservative and this is just sickening god bless the locals and their families.
Are you still one knowing that conservative media pushed for his pardon?
Define conservative: Actual, understandable conservative, or Trump cultist?
@@guardianofthehill very fine people on both sides
@@muhammadal-baghdadi9660 Your friends in Afghanistan are uhh ya know.. dying
@@474yx thanks for letting me know. Think we don't worry about drones and bombs constantly
My heart goes out to these 3 men and the others
The same thing is happening to my unit people including myself are getting sick dropping dead killing etc.. I think we get cursed or something going into these forbidden places I wish I never joined.. thank you for your service makes me wanna throw up they betrayed us lied to us we will never get answers the army is too powerful too controlling
This needs to go viral so these soldiers voices can be heard.
This story is so old. It’s been dealt with.
Astro Bastro why do you think Washington post brings this story up now? It’s just to smear trump.
J бонерт. What a silly comment. Trump smears his own self on a daily basis. He doesn’t need help. He’s a stupid man child surrounded by self serving fools.
@@jfleming6656 exactly
J бонерт “smears trump” trump is the one that pardoned him in the first place smart guy
Here’s hoping this curse catches up to Lorance, so many lives lost over one mans actions and lies.
Looks like Lorence happens to be a psychopath and 1st platoon got unlucky with him assigned to them
@@GSXK4 Or, the media hand picked these 3 guys out of the 30 in his platoon who said what they wanted them to say. Maybe the truth is the other way around. Maybe the guys that were killed were known bomb makers like Lorance said many times. All I know is that nowhere in this video were these 3 guys asked if they were bomb makers. Why weren't they asked that most important question?
@@joelvoss1226 You still at it?
@@toddtoad Indeed. You?
@@joelvoss1226 yeah, well, it's personal to me so I'll still here
The truth are in those soldiers eyes!!! Thanks for doing what you deep inside feel is correct to protect humanity.
I really love WP for being UNBIASED. Thank you.
I really admire that these men were Strong enough to come together and point out some thing They knew was wrong. Although, I’m concerned about why anyone fired in the first place.
They followed orders. It's the same question people asked about the Nazis. They too were following orders. It's dangerous.
@The _Awakening WRONG!!! They must follow orders or they could be tried and convicted of not doing so.
@@kiaj.d.5855 this is a problem to argue about because the soldiers would get executed and some would happily follow the orders like these soldiers some of them do it and some do t
@The _Awakening good to know. Thanks!
The _Awakening yeah, I would say that if anything, these guys are just as guilty as the lt for shooting
I wander why millions haven't seen this video??
People will only see what they want to see. If they see something that goes against their views they will not watch it in fear of being proven wrong.
There's millions haven't seen millions of videos didn't know it was compulsory to watch all of them i better get busy.
RUclips algorithm
I am a conservative and suppoet Trump and our military but this is just wrong and how can they just ignore what the other 30 say. It's wrong and makes me sad those other 30 guys and the two that were killed
1 million has, look at the views
Thank you Washington Post, for doing this great piece of journalism.
Nothing insights resentment more than being denied the opportunity to voice your own truth amongst freely flowing lies.
To be able to expose the reality of those in control of a system based upon lies, deception, and denial of the truth to our youth.
RIP SSG Twist.
We can't even fix our own country and yet here we are, sending our troops overseas to fix someone else's.
“Fix”
"...sending our troops overseas to cause some trouble."
Horst Fritz what trouble America started it all
@R M Well,yes.That is the term used around the world,because it's accurate.
R M are you slow? Like what? If you’ve been there you can maybe have some authority to backup what you say but no, you sit behind you’re phone and say stupid remarks like this and don’t know what you’re talking about.
Clint Lorance is a soldier's worst spiritual nightmare - to be placed under the command of someone who has no soul and no honor
I don’t understand. You have pretty much a whole platoon with the same exact story but the president chose to pardon the one guy whose story differed vastly! This is the same Trump that so many adore.
I lost my respect for Seam Hannity. Never again. I feel sorry for those men. 💪🇺🇸💪❤️
Bravery Doesn't Means, Killing Someone, Sometimes Bravery Mean, Telling The Truth Inch By Inch Even It's Against You.
Why is every first letter for each word capitalized?
😂😂 no it doesn't
@Brianna Daniels Yes, in a sense it is. Don’t say it isn’t. The depth and credibility of your argument is negligible.
@@biohazard0482 lol ok bro
@lipony 123 no. It doesn't "technically" mean anything but what it is. In no way, shape or form, does what he said, mean bravery. Honesty? Integrity? Yes.. 100%. But bravery? No. Not at all lol
It's shameful that people like lorance treat Afghanistan as a playground for them to do whatever they want
ITS people like him who only see america as ITS THE ONLY WORLD OUT THERE because they dont speak english they think they are dumb , australians are like that , ive seen it first hand at my work place ,i responded with go to there country and try speaking there language IT PATHETIC
Aldridge Gonzales back in the day they would be Executed by firing squad we should bring that back
@Bryan Bradley yea but those citizens didnt. even those three soldiers just said they didnt attack their platoon
This seriously needs to be posted everywhere !!!!!!!
One of the joes in this platoon became my PL. By far the best PL that I will ever have in my career. Still to this day I call him as often as I can.
Tell him Fitzy said what's up and to call me.