Canceled NES Games - Mike Matei Live

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  • Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024

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  • @JohnnyBurnes
    @JohnnyBurnes Год назад +29

    00:00:00 Star Trek V
    00:40:00 Robocop Vs Terminator
    00:57:00 Dino Hockey
    01:00:00 Drac's Night Out
    01:10:00 Super Pitfall 2
    01:14:00 Squashed
    01:17:00 Wonderland Dizzy
    01:21:00 Bowling
    01:23:00 Kitty's Catch
    01:25:00 Sunman
    01:32:00 Hard Drivin'-Dreamworld Pogie
    01:42:00 California Raisins
    01:50:00 Crackout
    01:52:00 Dragon Wars
    02:00:00 Earthbound
    02:01:00 Exploding Fist
    02:03:00 Makai Island
    02:08:00 Time Diver Eon Man
    03:23:00 Free Fall
    03:25:00 Pescatore
    03:26:00 Secret Ties
    03:29:00 Titan Warriors
    03:33:00 Tower of Radia
    03:35:00 Uforce Power Games
    03:36:00 War on Wheels/Xybots
    03:38:00 Adventures of Dr. Franken
    03:40:00 Airball
    03:42:00 Arcadia VI
    03:44:00 Bashi Bazook

  • @societyofsin
    @societyofsin Год назад +98

    Great video. Not enough red arrows in the thumbnail though

    • @h3corptempbutevadinganass
      @h3corptempbutevadinganass Год назад +1

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT😂

    • @uriituw
      @uriituw Год назад

      @@h3corptempbutevadinganassCalm down.

    • @FlyingPineappleFish
      @FlyingPineappleFish 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@h3corptempbutevadinganass/SsaS😮😮😮a😮😮😮😮😮😮saa😮😮2a

  • @cthulhupthagn5771
    @cthulhupthagn5771 Год назад +14

    The problem with Star Trek 5 was twofold. First, Shatner had NEVER directed before and he got taken for a ride for the SFX. Some dude working out of his garage conned him into thinking it was a full, experienced company.
    The other reason was it wasnt until around Star Trek 6 that he got how seriously the cast took the series. To him the series was a silly low budget effort that saved him from poverty. But to most of the cast, it was a career high point and they treasured working it since it was almost the only job they ever had. Around 6 Shatner interviewed the cast to see why most of them hated him (Sulu, Chekov, Scotty, Uhura) and they opened his eyes. They were brutal but honest and he apologized to them all.
    So 5 was more comedic and played them all goofy because it was how Shatner saw the franchise.
    Ad for his acting, prior to Trek he did a lot of plays, and back then that was "serious" acting so he was so desperate to keep the job he emoted like you would in a play. Which looks goofy in TV but since the show worked....the directors encouraged him.
    Sources: Shatners first two nonfiction books: Star Trek Memories and Star Trek Movie Memories.
    Also, the novelization of 5 is based on the original script and is pretty good.

    • @TheZaius
      @TheZaius Год назад +1

      He interviewed cast members to see why they hated him?
      Wow.

    • @blaketindle4703
      @blaketindle4703 6 месяцев назад +1

      Star Trek V had some good ideas. I liked Spock’s brother as a character. But man the execution was terrible lol. Shatner did such an awful job as director. And there was way too much silly stupid crap that just wasted time. Look no further than them sitting at the camp fire singing row row row your boat and trying to explain it to Spock!😂

  • @MortalGuy247
    @MortalGuy247 Год назад +20

    Thumbnail is pure gold 🙂

  • @JyoAnime
    @JyoAnime Год назад +6

    "Super Pitfall II" is really a Famicom game called "Atlantis no Nazo" / The Mystery of Atlantis. It also has a lot of cryptic stuff, like "suicide warps", or seemingly random warps when you expect to just fall into a pit. The overall "Super Pitfall" vibe is extremely similar with that game.

  • @MateMagyar88
    @MateMagyar88 Год назад +11

    2:06:52 That damn Pause sound effect! 😂😂😂

    • @StylixDS
      @StylixDS Год назад

      The best part of the stream

    • @TheRetroGamerEnthusiast
      @TheRetroGamerEnthusiast 8 месяцев назад

      *Seizure Warning! Also, How you doing @MateMagyar88? I hope youtube notifications dont excite you excessively because yeah, this is it.

  • @susanfit47
    @susanfit47 Год назад +2

    There was also unreleased Beach Volley, Card Games, Gargoyles Quest II, Home Alone 2: Lost in New York - Kevin's Dream, Monster Max, Popeye, StarHawk, Super James Pond, The Lawnmower Man games for the Nintendo Game Boy.

  • @LuccianoNova
    @LuccianoNova Год назад +10

    Dam man use to watch your contra and castlevania videos years ago. So happy I found you again. I remember you were nasty at legend of Zelda also. Been through hell and back within the last 4 years but I made it out on the other side and I’m so happy I can watch you again.

  • @kbottrill1
    @kbottrill1 Год назад +12

    I always look forward to the old NES/SNES streams. Also cancelled or unreleased games are so fascinating to learn about, even though I don't have an NES

    • @artursjoblom5142
      @artursjoblom5142 Год назад +2

      Get a NES and SNES. Or emulate. So many great games

    • @kbottrill1
      @kbottrill1 Год назад +2

      @@artursjoblom5142 I still have my SNES from when I was a kid, definitely one of my favorite consoles

  • @Ashkihyena
    @Ashkihyena Год назад +8

    Didn’t know there was a canceled Star Trek V NES game.
    Knew about the California Raisins one though (mainly cause there was an article for it in Nintendo Power a long ass time ago).

  • @mattthemagnificent3648
    @mattthemagnificent3648 Год назад +1

    If on the odd chance you ever decide to play Dracs Night Out again, you can actually jump on and kill enemies when you have the reebok shoe. Its actually a really cool game and other levels have different styles of gameplay.

  • @SquishyBoogie
    @SquishyBoogie 10 месяцев назад +2

    Bro, I love when your hair is all popped up in some of these videos. You got that, “I haven’t slept in fucking days, kill me now” look. It really adds to the entertainment while you struggle and yell at the game. 😂 You know how much we love watching you struggle. Also, your wizard of oz video got me attempting it now and wanting to drown myself in my own piss. I blame this on you.

  • @rancherogt8037
    @rancherogt8037 Год назад +3

    The game with the awesome pause music, is actually a Famicom Capcom game called Higemaru Makaijima, the music was done by the same guy who did Duck Tales, Mega Man 1&2, Final Fight and 1943. It was Capcom's attempt at a Legend of Zelda style game play.

  • @sumlin16
    @sumlin16 Год назад +7

    Matei Island was the best one of the stream 😂

  • @asteroidchan
    @asteroidchan 7 месяцев назад +2

    I swear, the first 10 seconds I was sure I was looking at a tea cup

  • @Karmicx83
    @Karmicx83 Год назад +2

    Super Pitfall was a game I had when I was younger. It was all I had. A very flawed game. Then I tried the Super Pitfall 30th Anniversary Edition, they fixed the game, overhauled the graphics, the music. Highly recommend the 30th Anniversary version. Love seeing someone fix a bad game nowadays.

  • @TheWehzy
    @TheWehzy Год назад +15

    I really enjoy watching your streams and videos at night! such cozy and nostalgic vibes, i love it!

  • @darkangelceresita2768
    @darkangelceresita2768 Год назад +15

    Perfect thumbnail. You're getting better at this huh

  • @caminoaroma6857
    @caminoaroma6857 Год назад +10

    Its the first time I put a comment in one of your videos but I watch them all every time you upload a new one, thanks for put a smile in me with your great streamings and funny edits.

  • @egeeziss
    @egeeziss Год назад +4

    Time Diver/Eon Man was shockingly good. Better than half the NES library like you said.

    • @egeeziss
      @egeeziss Год назад +1

      @@Andronicus87 I never played games to watch a daytime soap opera on cable TV. Just give me decent gameplay, graphics and consistency regarding level design and bosses & I’m good to go. Like I said, there were far worse turds that didn’t get cancelled on the NES that tormented my childhood.

  • @bigmike8511
    @bigmike8511 Год назад +1

    Not sure what is happening but when I'm watching the video on my phone it's fine but when I'm watching it on my fire TV RUclips app the break music plays in its entirety over the stream @1:30 or so and the audio is disjointed for the rest of the video.

  • @blaketindle4703
    @blaketindle4703 5 месяцев назад +1

    I was hoping Super Pitfall II would have a ladder you can go down right at the beginning that makes you drop into a pit of not just spikes, but lava, and sharks, all the stuff from the AVGN episode!😂
    Cool to know you wrote that episode Mike. It’s one of my favorites!

  • @johnnyfatsacks5209
    @johnnyfatsacks5209 Год назад +6

    That looks like you in the thumbnail after playing Pesterminator 😂

  • @bonehead5463
    @bonehead5463 Год назад +1

    Exploding fist reminds me A LOT of the little arcade game they play in Bloodsport

  • @sageparra4956
    @sageparra4956 Год назад

    @2:52:00, music kinda sounds like Action 52 at the beginning of the stage.

  • @ramzen89
    @ramzen89 Год назад +8

    Damn, some of those looked legit good or at least decent. Surprised that they didn't make it, considering all the trash that DID make it on NES. Cruel world indeed.

    • @professorpenne9962
      @professorpenne9962 Год назад +2

      makes me think that some were made so late the companies just decided to not release them and put out snes stuff instead. shame since some of the games seem pretty solid.

  • @goodall1bay
    @goodall1bay Год назад +1

    Strange . Alot of these games made it to Master System

  • @relaxandcalmstation
    @relaxandcalmstation Год назад +9

    Huge fan Mike! Loved you as the Joker….seriously, you could of played him in a movie for sure 👍🏼👏🏼

  • @deathofkings5633
    @deathofkings5633 Год назад +1

    It’s actually funny that Chekov and Sulu, navigator and helmsmen, can fly to the other side of the galaxy but when they touch grass in the woods they got lost.

  • @BravesATL2021
    @BravesATL2021 Год назад +1

    I know this was months ago but are these canceled games on the nes everdrive?

  • @Xearrik
    @Xearrik Год назад

    2:38:22 I love the look on Mike's face. I was like, why are you looking at us like this, you're the one who is doing it, and then I knew. Mike was looking at us like that because he was doing it for us. LMFAO

  • @silenceofthetrafficjams
    @silenceofthetrafficjams 10 месяцев назад +1

    The Robocop Vs Terminator game looks like it had real potential!

  • @UtushoReiuji
    @UtushoReiuji Год назад +3

    My papa always told me you can never have too many red arrows.

  • @blaketindle4703
    @blaketindle4703 6 месяцев назад +1

    Robocop vs Terminator on NES actually looks decent, good even. It’s a shame it wasn’t officially released.

  • @TheZaius
    @TheZaius Год назад +3

    Great use of arrows in the thumbnail but you're missing circles. Ya gotta have plenty of circles.

  • @jamespero6803
    @jamespero6803 Год назад +2

    I remember going to the drive in to see the wrath of Khan. It was the 2nd feature and 7yr old me fought like hell to stay awake for the whole film. Unfortunately I didn't make it, I missed the enterprise blowing up

  • @howitusedtobe
    @howitusedtobe Год назад +3

    Dude I kinda like Star Trek IV on the NES I think it’s on my super console X Cube there is several original series games on it across several platforms

  • @MaliciDWildman
    @MaliciDWildman Год назад +1

    I know that Wraith of the Black Manta was one of Mike's favorites(wink). Did he beat it? Time Diver: Eon Man was suppose to be a sequel...how? It was a completed finished game that was not released. Any dive channels doing a video on this?

  • @Epsilonsama
    @Epsilonsama Год назад

    Shatner on Star Trek TOS was so perfect. Never understood people dogging on his acting. He was serious when he needed, aloof and funny when needed. He was the perfect captain for that show. He played well off Leonard Nemoy and DeForest Kelley.

  • @Denjired
    @Denjired Год назад +3

    Definitely an interesting video. I actually now want to do a search to see which one of these are actual unreleased, unfinished NES games and which ones are unfinished localizations of Famicom games for NES that never saw the light of day.
    I can say that that Earthbound game Mike put on briefly actually got a release via the Nintendo Switch Online service for the first time officially in North America and Europe last year.
    Other Famicom games I can see are Atlantis No Nazo (named Super Pitfall II for some reason; that's a game you should give a second chance to, Mike since the Famicom game had nothing to do with Super Pitfall whatsoever), Higemaru: Makaijima (the Matei Island game...just for shits and giggles, I checked out the original Famicom game and yes, the original game has that Pause sound effect as well XD) and that last game you played (Bio Senshi Dan or Bash Bazook).
    Gonna put Mike's reaction to that Pause sound effect in my Top 10 Mike Matei moments of 2023 list 🤣

  • @UberNeuman
    @UberNeuman Год назад +3

    WORP SPEED NOW, MR. SCOTTO!

  • @pbabiesinspace6112
    @pbabiesinspace6112 Год назад +2

    Thexder for Amiga500 was actually pretty decent. It was pretty weak on NES. Give it a try on Amiga.

  • @hogwasher6436
    @hogwasher6436 Год назад +3

    Hey, Mike, unrealated question; but, I just watched you play a Super Mario Kart hack and I noticed how creaky the controller is. My Super Nintendo controllers are the same. As someone with experience with them when they were new, were they that creaky out of the box; or, would you say its due to age?

    • @cthulhupthagn5771
      @cthulhupthagn5771 Год назад +3

      To my memory, they always had that creakiness.

    • @mikematei
      @mikematei  Год назад +5

      i think they were always that way

  • @TheRetroGamerEnthusiast
    @TheRetroGamerEnthusiast 8 месяцев назад

    @01:45:36 ~ a reminder that we are just following the leader. Also, California Raisins was looking like a decent game.
    @01:52:40 it kinda just keeps going but a really good example comes up when trying to name the character for the next game, Dragon Wars. (Warning: Graphic Language)
    @01:57:10 STOP HERE!
    @02:08:18 'Time Diver Eon Man' needs to be fucking released on a cart right now! I can't tell if this game was made by recycling a few other games or if this game was too BA and it was split up into a few other games. Like hello all the TMNT mechanics/graphics and some Metriod+Megaman/Zelda.

  • @tommj4365
    @tommj4365 Год назад +2

    Would love to see a series of 1 second videos Mike beating pretty much any game.

  • @GFkilla17
    @GFkilla17 Год назад +1

    18k views? so all those red arrrows in the screenshot worked!

  • @deusvult4920
    @deusvult4920 Год назад +2

    1:19:01 you have a substance abuse problem, Mike. Seek help my friend.

  • @rolljack4779
    @rolljack4779 Год назад +2

    Hey mike do you take requests?

  • @Dylan_thebrand_slayer_Mulveiny
    @Dylan_thebrand_slayer_Mulveiny Год назад +1

    1:45:55 this is exactly why I watch.
    22:30

  • @dreckken
    @dreckken Год назад +1

    Best reaction to a spooky ghost ever!

  • @jankmedia1985
    @jankmedia1985 Год назад +1

    2:12, hell yea.

  • @chrisr024
    @chrisr024 Год назад +4

    Mike you should check out Wardner any of the 3 versions ( Arcade ,Famicom disk system and Genesis ) all are good .

  • @StylixDS
    @StylixDS Год назад

    The music at 3:27:28 is like a great value Castlevania theme

  • @daniboi271
    @daniboi271 Год назад +1

    Great idea for a stream, glad you've uploaded this here!

  • @sxhbk
    @sxhbk Год назад +4

    What does Mike.. Need with a Starship????!!!!

  • @Kaos1989
    @Kaos1989 Год назад

    48:19 Robocop vs The Terminator password BBC...someone was having fun with the 3 letter passwords...

  • @StevenQBeatz
    @StevenQBeatz Год назад +1

    There's a Super Pitfall 30th Anniversary romhack that makes the game playable! They add some better graphics, music and it's less cryptic

  • @kevo8137
    @kevo8137 Год назад +2

    Did you say I need my pain. Lol

    • @mikematei
      @mikematei  Год назад +2

      I like to interject Star Trek quotes

  • @soundandfurymusic
    @soundandfurymusic Год назад +1

    01:45:56 I just laughed my ass off

  • @fusionspace175
    @fusionspace175 Год назад

    I'm pretty sure that Time Rider Warrior Eon game was meant to be a ripoff of Captain Power. It's about the future, it's post apoc, you fight robots, he dresses exactly like Captain Power with the blue bodysuit and giant gold armor, all they did was take off the helmet. I wonder if they hoped to get the license and it fell through or if it was just a knockoff, but if it wasn't, that's an insane level of coincidence.

  • @classicmikecade
    @classicmikecade Год назад +2

    Scotto was the real MVP of the stream. "Hmmm well actshully Super Pitfa....FUCK YOU!" -Mike Matei...best line of the stream.

    • @phaolo6
      @phaolo6 Год назад +1

      35:24 timestamp for the Scotto reaction hehe

  • @TheTogoRojo
    @TheTogoRojo 5 дней назад

    1310 3:02:36 It's a shame this wasn't finished, the music is awesome.

  • @StevenQBeatz
    @StevenQBeatz Год назад +2

    Did mike post that 1 second video yet? 😂😂

  • @CarmeloPiccione
    @CarmeloPiccione Год назад

    Re: heavy robocop- when I introduced my best friend to zelda 1 he said the same thing about the magic boomerang vs the regular boomerang. "I don't know how this is possible, but this boomerang somehow feels heavier..."

  • @incognitro1420
    @incognitro1420 Год назад +1

    Judging by the arrows...William Shatner climbed a rock with an NES, California Raisin and an NES Controller. But what's he going to play it on?

  • @ramoncgtc
    @ramoncgtc Год назад +7

    Great stream Mike, The thumbnail for the video looks awesome.

    • @fusionspace175
      @fusionspace175 Год назад +3

      I only clicked because there's like 6 red arrows.

    • @ramoncgtc
      @ramoncgtc Год назад +1

      ​@@fusionspace175 me too

  • @grunge6909
    @grunge6909 Год назад +1

    That music when you get the M powerup on the star trek game sounds like the avgn song lol "he's the angriest gamer you ever heard..."

  • @adriangonzalez3600
    @adriangonzalez3600 Год назад +1

    That Eon game had some fire boss music

  • @michaelmorgan9009
    @michaelmorgan9009 Год назад +2

    Very nice, looking forward to the next Roger Rabbit on Nes playthrough.. always a good time!

  • @DazAlienGeek
    @DazAlienGeek Год назад +4

    Hey Mike! Did you play on a NIN TEN DOUGH? 😆

  • @jamesc8259
    @jamesc8259 Год назад +2

    You should have more and more red arrows each thumbnail and when you can’t fit anymore just put one giant red arrow for the entire thumbnail

  • @mikepenney3311
    @mikepenney3311 Год назад

    What are the Arrow's pointing theres nothing circled in red

  • @SecretSeashell
    @SecretSeashell Год назад +4

    I would pay to see a one-man show of Mike arguing to himself as Chekov vs Kirk. I would purchase good tickets at a premium, wear a nice suit, and give a standing ovation for Mike saying like "captain, captain, you are so fucking stupid" for an hour.
    Fuck AI-generated Seinfeld forever, give me Mike Matei Star Trek impressions fotever.

  • @rolljack4779
    @rolljack4779 Год назад +5

    Ah yes more nes trash by mike this is gonna be fun🤠

  • @clugzo
    @clugzo Год назад +1

    Yesterday on the twitch stream mike mentioned the ps4 controllers and the battery life, at walmart they have usb charging cables that are 10 foot usually made by onn for 5$ .
    That you plug into the front side of your ps4 and the back side of the ps4 controller then you don't have two worry about the battery..
    I used that until I got a second controller and a charging stand now I don't worry about charging the ps4 controller and use the wire to charge usb-a phones

    • @mikematei
      @mikematei  Год назад +2

      I bought a ps4 controller charger station. I’ll see if that helps at all.
      I also ordered a PS2 controller to PS4 adapter thing. So maybe one of these will work.

  • @igodreamer7096
    @igodreamer7096 Год назад +1

    "There are so much arrows in the thumbnail that it reminds me of an Indian raid or something"

  • @FusionDeveloper
    @FusionDeveloper 5 месяцев назад

    2:07:02 (not spoiling. It's worth watching) How about using this as a phone text notification sound or ringtone, hahaha.

  • @lordcolinb
    @lordcolinb Год назад +1

    1:46:00 😅😅

  • @davidJones-mx7yw
    @davidJones-mx7yw Год назад +1

    The end boss that laughs & jumps and is purple look like Vigo the carpathian off ghostbusters 2

  • @Yikith
    @Yikith Год назад +2

    There is a good Star Trek 25th Anniversary game on PC. Completely different from the NES one

    • @Knight79334
      @Knight79334 Год назад

      And a great sequel, "Judgement rights"

    • @Yikith
      @Yikith Год назад

      @@Knight79334 Really? Never heard of that one

  • @justinjc79
    @justinjc79 Год назад

    Could be Scotto. Uhura was named Uhuru in the credits of Start Trek V....

  • @spartacus36526
    @spartacus36526 Год назад

    As a kid, I had a VHS of ST5 and a TNG VHS tape of Encounter at Farpoint. Watched the shit out of both of them before seeing ST6 in the theatre in 1991. Been a hardcore Star Trek fan ever since.

  • @camelspiderattack4161
    @camelspiderattack4161 Год назад +6

    lmao mike was on one with the banter this stream, top-tier content

  • @realgoose5471
    @realgoose5471 Год назад

    dude that Eon Man game is great i can't believe they didn't finish it! I wonder why? Even the music is outstanding. The music soundtrack is on par with the most of what we perceive to be the best music on the NES.

  • @freddymentos8378
    @freddymentos8378 Год назад

    Every single one of those games looked better than X-men on the NES. It's weird to see a cancelled Stra Trek V game. It looks like a rolling thunder, run and gun with Scotty. from Star Trek V era. I think the only original cast game was 25th Anniversary on the NES. The rest seem to be TGN games.

  • @MichaelJesmer
    @MichaelJesmer Год назад

    Time Diver Eon Man looks like a quality NES game. I wonder why it was unreleased

  • @flightofdaws8275
    @flightofdaws8275 Год назад

    That Earth Bound Music sounds exactly like the Metroid 2 Title Screen Music on Gameboy

  • @endgovernmentextremism
    @endgovernmentextremism Год назад

    Time Diver looks to have great controls and decent gameplay.

  • @sanjano1
    @sanjano1 Год назад +1

    Makai Island is a great game. If you like zelda, you should give it a try.

  • @benjamincrew1949
    @benjamincrew1949 Год назад

    Gotta say, Time Diver has got some kickass music.

  • @doomedhuh
    @doomedhuh Год назад

    Star Trek V was the first star trek movie I saw in the theater. I'd seen 1 through 4 on TV or vhs. But I was just a kid and didn't really process that star trek V was bad. We had the mail away marshmallow dispenser

  • @rezterralico4369
    @rezterralico4369 Год назад +2

    Hmm? Like NES sim city on this list?

  • @soundandfurymusic
    @soundandfurymusic Год назад +1

    Love the thumbnail hahahha

    • @mikematei
      @mikematei  Год назад +2

      ⬇️⬆️➡️↙️↖️↩️⤵️

  • @lmmckeancps-1409
    @lmmckeancps-1409 Год назад

    I didn't even know such Star Trek games existed 😅 I needed these games back in the day I have Nearly beaten Segas Star Trek on the Vic 20 surprisingly good and playable game for such a graphically challenged system

  • @WillMunny22
    @WillMunny22 Год назад +3

    Can't believe i stuck it out the whole 3 hours 49 mins. lol. Pretty diehard huh Mike?? :P

    • @mikematei
      @mikematei  Год назад +2

      any best part?

    • @Desire-Drive
      @Desire-Drive Год назад +2

      @@mikematei Dino ، Hockey for sure C:

  • @TheGamerFru
    @TheGamerFru Год назад

    that Eon man game looks pretty nice, kinda like street fighter 2010. I think it didn't came out because it was in 1993, Super Nintendo was already out I guess

  • @conswizzy710
    @conswizzy710 Год назад +1

    tbh Mike, I've always liked you more than James. I started watching your streams around 2015-2016 (cant remember which year you started). James don't know shit about video games but you actually do, so your content is worth watching. I remember a certain James and Mike Monday when you guys played super mario bros. 3 and James couldn't even figure out how to enter a level for awhile, it completely turned me away from James' content.

  • @tommj4365
    @tommj4365 Год назад

    3:28:00 music way too similar to castlevania

  • @LouigiVerona
    @LouigiVerona Год назад +1

    I thought I'd just watch for 5 minutes, but here I am 1 hour and 6 mins in

  • @panicfarm9874
    @panicfarm9874 Год назад +2

    Hey Mike do you remember Garfield….