Some of my secret hopes for it: - Larger build volume but not huge (like 300-350 is good) - New AMS with dryer but with backward compatibility to old AMS - TPU compatible AMS - OR a 'single AMS' sort of one-spool modular system for abrasives or flexibles - 2-head + AMS for 2- filament no -poop, and 4+ filament 1/2 poop (it'd certainly make printing with support material more feasible!) - I honestly don't want a tool changer, just more maintenance to worry about, but AMS+the option of tool changing would be sweet. - nice to haves: better lighting, quieter fans, built in refillable AMS desiccant pods, 270 degree door hinge, OPTIONAL A1 style hot ends, ethernet
I recently bought the magnetic led upgrade from BQ. It’s cheap, easy to install and really bright. You should try it and have one point less on your list.
@@lazyman1011it's still pretty subpar. Much better off just buying an LED strip (connects to the original LED plug) and print a 45° lip to stick it to. That's what I've done, cost $0.99 for the led strip that runs 360°, and about $1.50 of filament for the 45° strips that go around the unit. 360° lighting for 2.50 total.
All I want is an A1 Max with 30cm build volume. There are no decent slingers atm with that or more volume and I'm sure that Bambu could deliver one that is as reliable as the other ones. But I'm pretty sure they will just launch the A2 series.
Agree with most but i think ditching the ams for toolchanger would be better - even in terms of maintainance. The ams itself has a lot of complicated stuff (feeders, rollback, helper motor, buffer). I hope they come up with a very clever idea to make the actual tools minimalistic. Like how they removed all the cables from the nozzle with the A1compared to the x/p series. Heating, feeding and cooling all in the actual head and only nozzle (maybe with fins/fixture) and filamenttube will be changed. Could also be very small and offer many toolslots.
This video has shown me how much additive manufacturing is still in its infancy, cant wait to see where the consumer market is at in 10 years. I just got an A1 and am blown away by the difference from my original ender 3 I got 5 years ago. Personally for me, I think we need to see moee pellet 3D printers being researched, with pellets being 5 to 10 times cheaper than filament. The main problem is inconsistent flow rate, but I think with using a sensor to detect backflow pressure and to then adjust on the fly, a pellet 3d printer could produce just as good of prints. Then you get all the benefits like price (10 times cheaper!), mixing colors, easy recycling with a shredder, and much more flexible and brittle filaments available.
@@premrockon I've looked into it a bit more, and it looks like it's really hard to find pellets sold in reasonable quantities for good prices. So it wouldn't be as cost effective as I was originally thinking. Looks like spools are the best way to go for the consumer market for now. It would be neat to see more companies buy back waste materials though, even just paying for shipping would be nice
Again, tool head weight. The ideal tool head have everything it needs fed to it from a line. Need part cooling? use a air hose Extruder cooling? run a water line These have all been done with great success in VZbot, which is the pioneer of fast printing filament works in pretty much the same way
The Company that comes out with a (at least 2 heads) printer, has all the other features we have come to "need", i.e. auto bed leveling, chamber heat, input shaping and at least a 305mm bed, etc. will be king for at least a year. It only makes sense to have print material and support material without purges or so much waste. IDEX type machine really speeds up that print when you need supports that fall off or 2nd color.
What you are describing is the rat rig vcore 4. They are still working on the chamber heater and mmu, but they just released idex. You can get it in 300, 400 and 500 bed sizes. It also has the 3 point bed bed levelling like the idex22 machine
I got an X1C on August 11th, 2024 during my state's (MA) tax free weekend, got my first clog, returned it for a new one, got ANOTHER clog, but then this time I had a friend help me learn how to relieve clogs (which is what I should have done in the first place), and since then I've been loving it. I now know to select the correct filament profiles in the silcer to prevent any clogs as much as possible, and all has been well. While all your speculations/hopes for an "X2C" or similar are cool, I'm just starting out with 3D printing (I know I dove into the deep end for my first ever 3D printer, but I wanted to go big AND go home lol) and I wanted a good seamless experience, of which with the X1C, now that I know its nuances, has done wonders for me. This was an interesting watch. Thanks for posting.
An umbilical style cooling system, while neat, would be too much. Most fans aren't going to have the pressure needed for this. I can't believe you just said a CPAP fan is quieter than what the x1c currently has. Vez is a wild man. Some features I'm hoping for on the next flagship from Bambu are: 1) Bed tramming with more than 1 stepper to drive the bed. Don't get me wrong, it works great. I just feel like it could be better* 2) More air tight seal for VOC recirculation filtration. 3) Bed leveling data visualization. We know it's there, it logs it and is capable of showing it. 4) 6 spool AMS, or a smaller 2 spool AMS addon. 5) Chamber heating. Yes, I know it's on the x1E but I mean come on. Gib pls. 6) HMS details. It seems like every week our x1c is screaming the carbon rods need cleaned. Why? Are the steppers seeing a irregular voltage requirement to do expected work? 7) A bigger bed area. Don't get me wrong, it's plenty. But sometimes it's just* not enough, especially in multicolor prints. 8) A special area for wipe/purge towers that doesn't eat into printable area. 9) AMS solid state dehumidifier. I am. SICK. of silica beads. A solid state humidity controlled AMS would be *chefs kiss.* 10) Individual doors for spools on AMS for humidity control. 11) The printer saving it's positional data on shut off option. I get why it's not a thing, as some people could be moving them when turned off, but come on. 12) This one is just picky, but toothed gears for 2 belt idlers on the gantry. Just something about a toothed belt running over a smooth surface irks me. 13) A bottle to lube the idlers, or easier access to maintenance them along with the back solid linear rod. 14) CHT, or high flow nozzle. Bambulab studio changes that would be neat: 1) Multi-cut parts. 2) Ability to delete x1c profiles completely, or override their existing settings. 3) More calibration options. (Yes, orca slicer does exist.) That's it. BBS is awesome. I'm sure there's some other things, but the x1c is a really great machine so don't get me wrong. For the most part, it's press print and walk away...but when it decides to not want to, it's a million things why it could be wonky.
I sleep with a CPAP and with the right setup, it is silent or near to it. 1. absolutely, this is implied with the 3-axis Z bed feature mentioned 2. you don't actually want a super tight seal, you want net negative pressure such that nothing leaves the printer and you can still supply fresh air to it 3. obvious, can't believe we don't already have it 4. toss up for me, with daisy chaining, I don't particularly care how much comes in each unit, I'll care more if it enables better MM 5. I've done this as a custom mod, makes a HUGE difference for engineering filaments 6. more in depth error logging overall would be great 7. no argument here 8. with my idea for SIDEX, that would be the parking spot for the toolhead 9. I agree, burning one batch of silica in the microwave is enough to make you hate it all 10. same with number 2, you do want circulation for better dehumidification because you need to put the moisture somewhere after it is extracted, so you don't want to choke off and isolate things too much 11. seems it should be able to return to last known position, but maybe I'm not understanding you here because I thought it already did that? 12. that is picky, but also unnecessary with linear motors 13. I will never say no to more repairability 14. they've been moving toward this and I'd be surprised if the next flagship did not have this 1. it already does this? I need more clarification 2. I think you could achieve the same thing by hiding them or showing only favorites which would be better from a ease of use perspective 3. a lot of Orca eventually get incorporated, so it's bound to happen
@@OddJobEntertainment My experience with CPAPS are null as I've never used one. On every video of Vez3d's VZBot(Glorious project, don't get me wrong. Man is a genius) it sounds overbearing when pushing the limits. (ruclips.net/video/E3kBau82SwU/видео.html) Touching on number 2, yeah an air tight seal wouldn't be good. But knowing where your fresh air supply is, and where your VOC contaminated air goes, would be a huge deal. Touching on number 10, solid state humidity control would exhaust the humidity by itself, leaving behind the oxygen. No need to replace the air as it doesn't create negative pressure. Just the moisture. Now touching on BBS number 1, you can multi-cut in the form of doing another cut after another. Currently there's no way to produce 2 or more cuts, producing more than 2 cut parts, per action. IE: Cutting a square into 4 corners in 1 cut, not 3.
What i would love the most would be able to print with different nozzle sizes on the same print. Larger print bed could be nice to have but not as much as a multi-nozzle.
I would totally love that. I design 3D terrain for tabletop gaming. Some part of my building are fine in draft mode, actually it’s beneficial once painted while some details within the same build needs high details. The ability to change writhing, would help a great deal.
@@Oberon4278 ideally, interior features would be printed with the larger nozzle, and exterior perimeters would be printed with the small nozzle. So the printer would need to swap every layer. Swapping by hand wouldn't be fabulous in that case.
I really enjoyed your take on what Bamboo should bring in the next release. I may have missed it but something important to me is printable area and bed size. Bamboo need at least 350 x 350 in my opinion.
When shopping around for a 3D printer I was SUPER TEMPTED to get a Creality K1 Max for its 300mm cubed print volume, but I don't really print anything stupid tall needing that Z dimension, so the X1C is great for me. Even if I print something tall it's with in the 256mm^3 the X1C has and provides.
@@ShiggitayMediaProductions It’s useful for printing helmets and other wearable items. The x1c can just barely do it. I have to print at an extreme angle.
It’s already here! 350mm^3 build volume, actively heated chamber, high speed core XY printing, filament changer that you can actually clear without taking it completely apart that is also gasketed, dual Z steppers for precision bed leveling, and it is built for easy maintenance… only $1400 right now. It’s the Creality K2 Plus!!! 🤣😂🤣
After my e5+, I'm really hesitant to get another Creality machine. It is a very feature rich printer. But it doesn't fulfill the whole dream machine I lay out here.
I'm considering buying one for the first time but I think I'd rather deep dive into CAD before I go and make a purchase, I'm between the A1 and the X1C
I think that's a good route. While you can certainly print all kinds of files from other people, i get the most enjoyment printing my own ideas. CAD is essential for that. I'd suggest onshape. I've used Solidworks, F360 and Onshape has the best of both imo.
There's also the Bambu X1E which is not available directly from Bambu themselves, nor is the specialized filament made specifically for it. Authorized 3rd party sellers require you to call for a quote if you're interested in purchasing it.
I absolutely would not buy this printer if it came with a bowden tube. It creates too many additional variables to f**k up and its 10 times harder to purge if you need to clear a clog. The added 30mms is basically next to nothing when your just generally printing day to day things. Yeah i know some people want max out their print speed but i would much rather have a more stable system in the long run than have it print a bency 30 seconds faster on something thats prone to failing more often. I transitioned to DD and im not going back. Otherwise i think the other suggestions are good.
Fair enough. I'd like to see it as an option. There's a few limited cases where it's handy. I'd want them to stick with DD by default. But if BT was an optional add-on, I'd like to put one in my bank of heads.
@OddJobEntertainment it would be interesting from a technical standpoint to see how they could make them interchangeable. Those interchangeable nozzles they make are interesting and I wouldn't have thought it possible to do that so if anyone can do it bambu lab could.
Great video, instant fan. I design 3D terrain for tabletop gaming, and this type discussions helps by pushing new ideas and hopefully listening ears will take those conversations seriously.
I'm still very happy with my X1C and I'm sure you will be too. But the world of tech is constantly changing and I'd love to see a bigger and feature updated BL printer.
Interesting ideas! Idex seems to be likely, I was also wondering if Bambu found a way to make real multicolor printing available with mixing CYMK filaments or so 😮
Have similar thought about Bambu - I'd like to really see multi-head solutions - initially I was for bigger bed, but after over a year of 3d printing - multi material printing is at top of my wishlist. PLA/PETG or TPU and others - one can get really amazing results
Interesting point about anisotropy. Extra resonances when moving multiple heads simultaneously will be a control challenge (input shaping stuff) - as seen in error rates of racks of spinning hard drives.
Makes me wonder: how much effort would it take to make a linear motor driver that senses the induced currents from the moving head to be used in a closed loop system that deduces required input shaping from the corrections?
I'd love to see Bambu Lab come out with a a tool-head changer like the Prusa. Four tool-heads with the options of running each tool-head to each filament on the AMS would be great... allowing the priming tower to be eliminated in 4 color prints or allowing a priming tower and filament 💩 for more than 4 filaments. The actively heated chamber of the X1E needs to be standard on any new printer as well or at least on the X series. Having a hotend with 500°C would be awesome as well. It's definitely time to see nozzles capable of printing at temperature that allow better layer adhesion on Nylons and other engineering grade filaments.
I think we mostly agree. But, I think I'd prefer to have the AMS relatively unchanged. I'm imagining the mess of tubes that would result from having each filament addressable like that. It's a tough one to solve. But if the internal spool holder could carry my TPU to one head, and then the AMS fed another head with a rigid filament, that would solve most of my multi-material complaints already without modifying the AMS.
The Prusa XL with all 5 tool heads costs in excess of $5k. I don't think Bambu has any interest in operating in that market. Once you get that expensive, you're not far from serious pro grade printers.
Unfortunately Bambu has now officially delayed the public release of its next major printer to take the place of the X1C as their prime offering until Q1 2025.
I saw that. Bit of a bummer. My ego would love to think my video influenced them to make some additions. But I'm way too small of a creator to have that kind of impact.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re looking at a larger floor standing machine with dual and multimaterial extrusion. Maybe with built in filament management similar to an ultimaker which also targets the prosumer and industrial customers.
@@OddJobEntertainment Might not be a floor standing machine but I've seen posts of a pair of large BBL boxes which are almost shoulder height. Might not even be the xl machine. Might be X2 and P2. Only a few people really know. Pretty exciting.
Have some mates that have been allegedly testing what is an X2. That should be the next printer out from them. I was hoping for a P2 series, but I don't know if that will be out for a while. I'll likely be picking up a Qidi Plus 4 and an A1 from bamboo later
We need an A1 "Max" with 30cm that just works for the poorer folks. Elegoos current big printers are crappy. Would pre-order an A1 Max combo instantly.
Unless we get consumer level SLS printers we unfortunally have to deal with all that jazz with FDM printers. SLA printers are too messy for a lot of people (toxic smelly resin) so we hobbyists are pretty much stuck with melted plastic... 😜 Ah right, thank you FormLabs for immediately killing the Kickstarter of the now impossible first consumer grade SLS printer (Micronics3d). 🤷♂️
I don’t mind your shave 🪒 😂Great content. Is there something like a library of useful prints? Maybe what possible customers really would like? Is there a laserscanner out there, that could produce step files in a printable quality? Thanks and kind regards from Germany 🇩🇪
Sure, there's several sources for useful print ideas. But the best will be something you come up with yourself. If you're looking for files to print, make sure to always respect the rights of the originator and their copyright.
Qidi just released the Plus4 for $799, what that printer specs, is what I am wanting the next bambu to be, if it is, I am willing to pay $1000 for it from bambu. But if bambu did it, it will probably be $1700. If they dont offer something comparable in specs, then I'll just buy the Qidi and put it right next to my Bambu.
Those build volume dimensions though... So weird. Also... "Qidi- Box" for their multi color offering? That sounds so stupid lol. AMS is better and to the point.
I am not a Bambu lab person for two reason their do not support the right to repair for me that alone is a deal breaker and the other is their closed source software I want to do the work, I do not need someone to do for me because I want to play with my printer because I have the time to do so I am only running one printer this is not my job for me it is a toy! For those two reason I cannot buy Bambu lab yes I do know the prints come out great the mechine is simply and works like a work horse for me that is a job I really don't need I want a toy to break and repair and see the inside to see why it works! Great video I did learn something from you new SUB & Like! Peace!
3D printing as a tool vs. 3D printing as a hobby. If you enjoy tinkering, that's great, I want the printer for what it enables me to do, not for what I can do to it.
@@OddJobEntertainmentthis, as someone who runs a product design company, I just need the most efficient, reliable, and easy to use printer. I love open source but in most situations, it’s cheeper to just buy a replacement while a machine is down or in warranty repair than pay someone to tinker with it instead of doing their actual job.
We're all nerds. I straddle the line of games and engineering. So, while I've mostly been an SC channel, I'm trying to expand to use more of my skills in my production.
Great video, agree with all your points, but i think they will just go for a four head machine inclosed with a quick change nozzle ,four just under £2000 .I have subscribed as i am looking forward to your next video.
I’ve been following this guy for years and as he’s developed his products they’ve got better and better. I saw the four tool version, but was quite critical, then I saw the ProForge250, and for an extrusion based low volume printer, it was competitive in the UK, with some good design elements, plus you can add to it. I have an X1C, after other printers, and I was able to good results from day 1. It’s been upgraded, but won’t do anymore to it now… need a toolchanger, as want to organise filaments grouped based on temperature within each tool head, fed from dry boxes and an AMS system.
When the X1C first came out, it basically was the perfect machine. But there's been a number of advancements since then and I hope they've been paying attention.
It really depends on your budget. I'd expect the new one to be $1500 or more. If that's too high, get the X1C on Black Friday and you'll be happy regardless.
@@OddJobEntertainment yea I got mine for like $1200 with an AMS. Worth. Unless bambulab comes out with linear motors + dual extrusion, its prolly not worth it lowkey
One question I have not seen in other videos. Do you think this new printer would come with a new AMS and if they do, would then old AMS be compatible?
Cpap tubes are heavy compared to a small fan. And the motors don’t react that quickly and being a considerable distance away needs time to build pressure
I’m considering getting a P1S as my first printer, but I don’t know if I should wait for the next Bambu printer to come out before I make a purchase. Do you have any advice or do you have a prediction of when specifically we might get more info of when the next Bambu printer is coming?
Unfortunately, I do not have any kind of inside scoop. P1S and the X1C are targeted to different kinds of consumers. Any new flagship would likely be targeting the same price point as the X1C, and so you should make your determination with that in mind. Are you an X1 consumer? Or is the P1S better suited to you?
@@OddJobEntertainment Actually, in the time since my first comment, I changed my mind and bought a Creality K1 Max, because I realized the larger print volume was more important. Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate the help.
@@liammiller.designOoh.. bad idea. Unfortunately I’ve had one of those and it’s never worked. Jams, breaks, and unhelpful support. I returned it before it caught on fire. Would not recommend.
Please do not get the X1C. They have a huge design flaw where the bearings are press fitted to the frame of the machine. If and when those bearings wear out. There is no way to replace them because they are locked into the frame of the machine. The majority of users have had these bearings breaks after 250 days of printing.
This is actually the first I'm hearing of this. Mine has been functioning flawlessly. I'd be curious to take a look at it though. What axis specifically?
@@OddJobEntertainment there is a bearing behind the machine on the bottom left side. That bearing is secured permanently to the chassis of the machine. Eventually that bearing will wear out even if you lubricate it. This is because it is held down by hard plastic. The bearing will slowly grind away the plastic and cause your belts to loosen to where you cant print anything. There is another bearing that is secured to the main frame of the machine which is located on the front side in the upper right corner of the machine. More and more people are starting to have issues with those bearings after around 6k print hours. The sad part is bambulabs doesnt seem to be doing anything about it and there are no replacement parts for it since they are stuck permanently to the frame of the machine.
Iv heard stories like this for litterally every printer out there lmfao. Im convinced that 99.99% of these goofy ahh stories are prolly from literal retards. A mf on the comment section litterally said he returned his X1C because his nozzle got a clog and bro had no idea how to unclog it ig.
Almost every point mentioned has its flaws, for example regarding the fans he said that adding tubes with larger quieter and more powerful ones will be beneficial but the reality is that running tubes requires lousy fans because of the air pressure that will built up inside the tubes; another ting is regarding the overhangs in a tilted bed: at the moment none single free slicer allow to move every 1 of the 3 independent motors for the bed, you need to write custom gcode or another slicer; another mentioned point is belts and motors for moving the toolhead comparing it with the new printer from peopoly but that machine requires another kind of maintenance, is expensive to built and is for another target of consumers. You have a lot of good points, but your missing the biggest one from BBL itself: they don't want to serve a 3D printer for print farms. They main objective is to have good, cheap almost-reliable, house appliance to enable 3D printing for the masses and convert their 3D printer in a common electronic in a house, like it was the typical 2D printers (HP, Epson, Cannon, etc.)
Well, of course, there are flaws. That's engineering in a nutshell, looking at and comparing alternatives. VZbot uses CPAP fans to have great success. Just on that point, you can end up with tube's that are inflexible and too heavy, or they're too flexible and sag as a result. In engineering, you'll always need to consider potential downsides, but that doesn't mean you ignore alternatives and potential benefits.
The downside of larger CoreXY 3D printers is lower print quality, due to the extra slack caused by the excessive length of the belts in such large CoreXY configurations. That's why I hope for a magnetic track with levitating linear motors for the next big Bambu, somehow like the MagnetoX by Peopoly.
Stratasys has an interesting machine that prints in color, - Incredibly expensive at $188, 995.00. Also incredibly complex, but perhaps a look at the video could lend some ideas?
I did say "reducing the need for purge towers". The XL uses less material in constructing the tower compared to an X1. But you are correct, the poop is definitely the largest contributor to waste.
Two things I would like to see. One, the layer lines totally disappear. Two, a two foot wide by two foot deep by infinite height build volume. Ok 6 foot height. Oh, and a place to hold my beer.
The idea sounds cool, but it's not as simple as modifying the existing sensor with the function. The LiDAR detects everything directly in front of it, err, below it. Imagine printing a mushroom, the shape has an obvious overhang, but if viewed from the top, it's just a circle. That's why 3D scanners will employ an array of sensors with different viewpoints and require you to move around. Now picture an engine bay of a car. Even if you rotate around the car, you will miss details on the other side of the engine compartment. You really want a tool in this case that you can move in all 6 axes without restriction. The mechanical structure to make a 6 DOF movement system will typically be more like a robotic arm, a gantry as seen in printers, just can't get THAT level of freedom. Maybe they could add sensors in a strip along a corner for basic scans, but they'd need to include some caveats about what it can achieve.
As far as i Know arent the pressure sensors in Bambu Printers in the tool head, rather they are in the bed. And i think probing in some way with the nozzle is the best thing to do, becaue you or the software dont has to fiddle withe the z offset😅
In most cases, I'd say you're right. Most printers using some variation of a V6 nozzle are going to have variances that can affect the z-offset. But in the case of BL, where all the hardware is controlled, they know those values exactly, and any more subtle differences can be accounted for in calibration.
@OddJobEntertainment Mhh ok for me i more like a precise slower Leveling, wich i know works with evry Build plate the same. Than a fast less reliable (wich Eddie and co is), as i don't babysit my Printer at start anymore i also really dont care about the 4min startup sequence 😅
Bamboo have made printers into tools that just work but the old guys just want to tinker with them still... I get a single / dual head to enable better multi material but the rest is just superfluous additional complication that will lead to problems and failures. The limiting factor is likely already melt speed anyways. There's a speed limit to all things including fdm
Also linear motor likely do not reduce mass they just unwind the motor along the gantry. Core xy is superior despite its maintenance requirements. Implementing the many ideas here would mean a way way way more expensive machine for little gains and make it inaccessible
Qidi Plus 4 just hit market with $800 pricetag with a good number of what I've requested. Linear motors do add a little bit of weight to the gantry compared to carbon rods on their own but they dramatically simplify construction. They also have true closed loop communication which helps a lot with error reduction and repeatability. Even without increasing melt speed, an improved motion system has intrinsic benefits.
I understand the argument. With bespoke, you can have better integration and support. I know that's not the case in most situations. But BL has been an exception in my experience.
Whil I think multi head would be good … I really doubt it’ll happen. Not at the prosumer price of $600 ish. (P1s and x1c are pretty much identical for 95% of the use cases)
I think $600 is quite restrictive for prosumer. That'sstill on the budget end. The X1C is $1450 as a bundle. I'd expect these capabilities below $2k but not by much.
SIDEX incorporates the ability to dock and offload the secondary head. An idex machine typically takes a speed penalty in some scenarios because it doubles the toolhead mass by virtue of always having 2 at once. SIDEX would be having the option of 1 or 2 heads on the gantry to begin with.
I do stand at my X1C and watch it print sometimes... I know I can watch it from the camera angle shot from within a slicer, but still... watching directly from the door is certain kind of satisfying...
Bambu Labs is good for the short term. For the long term, they will force companies to keep their innovations closed and patented and 3d printing innovation will be slow.
I'm not a fan of a lot of their patent behavior. I'm also not entirely on the side that patents have no place. Edit: I should clarify that the reason I'm not impressed with them IS because of their numerous efforts to patent open source ideas.
@@OddJobEntertainment Oh I was just wondering if you removed the motors from a direct drive nozzle and used magnes to drive the gears to advance the filament as a way to lighten the nozzle assembly even more while maintaining the advantages of a direct drive setup
@@SiliconRiot well if you consider the inside of the motor that drives the filament, you essentially get what you're describing. Motors are magnets interacting with an electromagnetic field created by the copper coils. A rotary motor makes more sense in this case because extrusion is a high torque application.
I have a Bambulabs P1S after running all K1's in a small print farm for over a year non stop i was very excited to add a very reliable accurate printer to the line up. What i have found is that although it's a great printer the carbon rods seem to be it's achilles heel when it comes to long term reliability printing ABS, ASA. They have bound up aftr 8 months creating weak under extrusions and once the chamber gets above 40 degress celsius the issues start to occur. I heard one reason is they changed the self lubricating bearing to a cheaper steel one and since then problems have been occurring. The K1's although not nearly as refined as the Bambulabs printers have proven to be more reliable due to the stainless steel rods on the gantry. A few dabs of grease every now and then keeps them sliding away without issue day after day. The Bambulabs is more of a surgical instrument and would be great long term with cooler less less tacky filaments like PLA and PETG but for high temp long prints it does fall over.
Yea... Beacon might be faster than Opto / Mechanical solutions but who cares? With a properly setup Start Routine that speed gain will do NOTHING since most likely you'll be waiting for either the Chamber or at least the Heat Bed to have come to Printing Temperature giving any Opto / Mechanical Solution all the time it needs for it to finish its Probing Cycle. It's like that guy overcompensating with his Muscle Car angrily overtaking you when 20sec later you come to a halt next to him at the red Street Light in your paltry Smart. A Probing Scheme with a sensibly sized Grid and / or Adaptive Meshing should also hardly take any more time to begin with. And then there's the benefit of Tool Head Compliance with Solutions like Voron TAP ( in the DIY Space ) that allow the Tool Head to be pushed upwards and away from a Print whose Corners have started to curl up potentially getting the Tool Head caught on - A Compliant Tool Head will just get shoved up and come smacking down again with a Thunk Noise warning you before disaster strikes. A non-Compliant one might have its Hotend ripped off at the Heat Break ( unless you have one built like a Tank like the Slice Engineering ones )
I can see your point. I think there are other benefits as well. Magnetic sensors have higher resolution than many mechanical systems. But they also don't suffer from things that can trip up those mechanical systems. For instance, with my Bambu, in rare cases, the filament buildup has affected the z-offset enough to cause a print failure. The filament piled up underneath the nozzle progressively causing it to move further from the bed as it completed the cycle. No contact from a magnetic sensor means this can't ever happen. You mention preheating the bed, but often the printer will heat the bed and then run a probe cycle. That's how it is for the Bambu and many others as well. Since these steps can't really be parallelized (due to thermal expansion) speeding up the probing cycle still has a sizeable benefit. As it pertains to a tool changer setup, a magnetic sensor is uniquely qualified as it can more easily account for variances in z-height between toolheads. Mechanical sensors are also subject to debounce, which can either cause errors or dramatically slow down the probing cycle. At the end of the day, magnetic sensors are easy, cheap, and better all around so I expect that they'll become standard flair in future printer models.
There's always tradeoffs with any engineering decision. Carbon fiber is lightweight, exceptionally rigid, and more expensive. Other printers are more sensitive to high gantry weight because a skipped tooth on the belt means a layer shift. Since linear motors have closed loop control, it's much harder to get those kinds of print defects. So with much of the penalty of a heavier gantry gone, it's possible Peopoly didn't think it worth the added cost at the time.
I think bambu labs is not the right company for all these upgrades. Yes their current printers work well, but they didn't innovate any single thing that they do. They are mostly there for the money, not so much for the innovation. It's easier for them to copy others when they perfect it first.
I think you may be neglecting how much of the X1C was a first for the industry. They've definitely innovated, so much that they're the thing everyone copies now.
Ratrig is a great option for tinkerers. I'd feel confident in my ability to get it working reliably. But the fact that it is a kit is a pretty big deterrent for a lot of people.
@@OddJobEntertainment Yes definitely, but from everything I have heard about the Vcore 4, there seems to be a lot of hand holding. Hardware and software wise. I am considering the Vcore 4 with idex and the MMU once that is available
bamboo is perfect for printing PLA or PETG junk. When you start playing with more demanding filaments, it becomes clear what a toy this printer is. The company wants to earn as much as possible at the lowest cost, so don't expect a machine that will last for years. The funniest thing is that they make fun of Prusa and when it released a toolchanger, all manufacturers will now try to catch up with it 😅
I would not call these printers affordable. the ender 3 is affordable. does not stop me from drooling over them, atm i can only afford a wanhao D12 300 which cost me $400
just want to point out that you're equating initial cost with affordability, it is your use case so that's all that matters for you, but some who, for example, equate time as money, or uptime = convenience, would include lost time on repairs, maintenence, calibration, initial setup, z-height and bed leveling recalibrations, firmware customizing, etc. as unaffordable, despite the initial cost. I use my printer for fun and for work, I spend approx 1hr every 3 months on maintenence, and zero time repairing problems on average. this makes the printer more affordable for me.
They are more expensive for initial investment. But the same E5+ I mention cost me $750 when I got it, I've given it a new control board, direct drive extruder (Revo Hemera XS), bed upgrade, all to get a fraction of the performance and reliability I get out of my X1C. But when you factor in failed prints to the cost, the X1C comes out on top by a huge margin.
To even say that BL printers aren't affordable is a copium comment. With the A1 costing $200 USD, which is less than an Ender 3, and is EASILY 100x more reliable straight out of the box... You're just anti-bambu. Hell, the A1 is less than an Ender 3 and is bigger. Like, come on man. Just say "I hate bambu lab" lmao
nice video, a small detail. As far i know the x1 has the pressure sensor in the Bed and not in the head. If you machine levels it selve just press slightly on the bed. At least my ones have it in the bed.
I'd like to see: 300-350mm build volume minimum / Reversible front door w/lift off hinges / better multi point lighting / magneto drive / quick swap nozzle with magnetic electrical connection / better nozzle wiper / direct Wifi connection without needing cloud / dual firmware boot stock or X1 Plus / improved LIDAR as well as some of the suggestions below by @aeonjoey3d
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Some of my secret hopes for it:
- Larger build volume but not huge (like 300-350 is good)
- New AMS with dryer but with backward compatibility to old AMS
- TPU compatible AMS - OR a 'single AMS' sort of one-spool modular system for abrasives or flexibles
- 2-head + AMS for 2- filament no -poop, and 4+ filament 1/2 poop (it'd certainly make printing with support material more feasible!)
- I honestly don't want a tool changer, just more maintenance to worry about, but AMS+the option of tool changing would be sweet.
- nice to haves: better lighting, quieter fans, built in refillable AMS desiccant pods, 270 degree door hinge, OPTIONAL A1 style hot ends, ethernet
I recently bought the magnetic led upgrade from BQ. It’s cheap, easy to install and really bright. You should try it and have one point less on your list.
@@lazyman1011it's still pretty subpar. Much better off just buying an LED strip (connects to the original LED plug) and print a 45° lip to stick it to. That's what I've done, cost $0.99 for the led strip that runs 360°, and about $1.50 of filament for the 45° strips that go around the unit. 360° lighting for 2.50 total.
All I want is an A1 Max with 30cm build volume. There are no decent slingers atm with that or more volume and I'm sure that Bambu could deliver one that is as reliable as the other ones. But I'm pretty sure they will just launch the A2 series.
@@premrockon why would you WANT a bedslinger over a more reliable corexy?
Agree with most but i think ditching the ams for toolchanger would be better - even in terms of maintainance. The ams itself has a lot of complicated stuff (feeders, rollback, helper motor, buffer). I hope they come up with a very clever idea to make the actual tools minimalistic. Like how they removed all the cables from the nozzle with the A1compared to the x/p series. Heating, feeding and cooling all in the actual head and only nozzle (maybe with fins/fixture) and filamenttube will be changed. Could also be very small and offer many toolslots.
I have loved my Bambulabs X1C from the moment I first sent a print job to it.
I remember the first time I sent it over wifi and didn't bother checking it. Great feeling.
I share all the same sentiments after I learned how NOT to cause a clog... lol
Finally some no nonsense review with in depth information
Glad you found it helpful.
Next BL printer should print larger, hopefull up to 40 cm, 50 cm will be awesome!
This video has shown me how much additive manufacturing is still in its infancy, cant wait to see where the consumer market is at in 10 years. I just got an A1 and am blown away by the difference from my original ender 3 I got 5 years ago.
Personally for me, I think we need to see moee pellet 3D printers being researched, with pellets being 5 to 10 times cheaper than filament. The main problem is inconsistent flow rate, but I think with using a sensor to detect backflow pressure and to then adjust on the fly, a pellet 3d printer could produce just as good of prints. Then you get all the benefits like price (10 times cheaper!), mixing colors, easy recycling with a shredder, and much more flexible and brittle filaments available.
Is it more expensive to produce filament spools by yourself? Why does everyone want to print directly with pellets?
@@premrockon I've looked into it a bit more, and it looks like it's really hard to find pellets sold in reasonable quantities for good prices. So it wouldn't be as cost effective as I was originally thinking. Looks like spools are the best way to go for the consumer market for now. It would be neat to see more companies buy back waste materials though, even just paying for shipping would be nice
We just need SLS printing to become more affordable for the public sector. FDM is a dead end
Again, tool head weight.
The ideal tool head have everything it needs fed to it from a line.
Need part cooling? use a air hose
Extruder cooling? run a water line
These have all been done with great success in VZbot, which is the pioneer of fast printing
filament works in pretty much the same way
The Company that comes out with a (at least 2 heads) printer, has all the other features we have come to "need", i.e. auto bed leveling, chamber heat, input shaping and at least a 305mm bed, etc. will be king for at least a year. It only makes sense to have print material and support material without purges or so much waste. IDEX type machine really speeds up that print when you need supports that fall off or 2nd color.
What you are describing is the rat rig vcore 4. They are still working on the chamber heater and mmu, but they just released idex. You can get it in 300, 400 and 500 bed sizes. It also has the 3 point bed bed levelling like the idex22 machine
@@demidermak713 oh your still trying to make 1st generation printers cool..... cute.
I got an X1C on August 11th, 2024 during my state's (MA) tax free weekend, got my first clog, returned it for a new one, got ANOTHER clog, but then this time I had a friend help me learn how to relieve clogs (which is what I should have done in the first place), and since then I've been loving it. I now know to select the correct filament profiles in the silcer to prevent any clogs as much as possible, and all has been well. While all your speculations/hopes for an "X2C" or similar are cool, I'm just starting out with 3D printing (I know I dove into the deep end for my first ever 3D printer, but I wanted to go big AND go home lol) and I wanted a good seamless experience, of which with the X1C, now that I know its nuances, has done wonders for me. This was an interesting watch. Thanks for posting.
you got a clog in your nozzle so you returned the entire printer.....? are you serious?
@@freelectron2029 yes. Grade A idiot right here. Beginner's ignorance.
@@freelectron2029I got a flat tire in my car so I bought another car…
An umbilical style cooling system, while neat, would be too much. Most fans aren't going to have the pressure needed for this. I can't believe you just said a CPAP fan is quieter than what the x1c currently has. Vez is a wild man.
Some features I'm hoping for on the next flagship from Bambu are:
1) Bed tramming with more than 1 stepper to drive the bed. Don't get me wrong, it works great. I just feel like it could be better*
2) More air tight seal for VOC recirculation filtration.
3) Bed leveling data visualization. We know it's there, it logs it and is capable of showing it.
4) 6 spool AMS, or a smaller 2 spool AMS addon.
5) Chamber heating. Yes, I know it's on the x1E but I mean come on. Gib pls.
6) HMS details. It seems like every week our x1c is screaming the carbon rods need cleaned. Why? Are the steppers seeing a irregular voltage requirement to do expected work?
7) A bigger bed area. Don't get me wrong, it's plenty. But sometimes it's just* not enough, especially in multicolor prints.
8) A special area for wipe/purge towers that doesn't eat into printable area.
9) AMS solid state dehumidifier. I am. SICK. of silica beads. A solid state humidity controlled AMS would be *chefs kiss.*
10) Individual doors for spools on AMS for humidity control.
11) The printer saving it's positional data on shut off option. I get why it's not a thing, as some people could be moving them when turned off, but come on.
12) This one is just picky, but toothed gears for 2 belt idlers on the gantry. Just something about a toothed belt running over a smooth surface irks me.
13) A bottle to lube the idlers, or easier access to maintenance them along with the back solid linear rod.
14) CHT, or high flow nozzle.
Bambulab studio changes that would be neat:
1) Multi-cut parts.
2) Ability to delete x1c profiles completely, or override their existing settings.
3) More calibration options. (Yes, orca slicer does exist.)
That's it. BBS is awesome.
I'm sure there's some other things, but the x1c is a really great machine so don't get me wrong. For the most part, it's press print and walk away...but when it decides to not want to, it's a million things why it could be wonky.
I sleep with a CPAP and with the right setup, it is silent or near to it.
1. absolutely, this is implied with the 3-axis Z bed feature mentioned
2. you don't actually want a super tight seal, you want net negative pressure such that nothing leaves the printer and you can still supply fresh air to it
3. obvious, can't believe we don't already have it
4. toss up for me, with daisy chaining, I don't particularly care how much comes in each unit, I'll care more if it enables better MM
5. I've done this as a custom mod, makes a HUGE difference for engineering filaments
6. more in depth error logging overall would be great
7. no argument here
8. with my idea for SIDEX, that would be the parking spot for the toolhead
9. I agree, burning one batch of silica in the microwave is enough to make you hate it all
10. same with number 2, you do want circulation for better dehumidification because you need to put the moisture somewhere after it is extracted, so you don't want to choke off and isolate things too much
11. seems it should be able to return to last known position, but maybe I'm not understanding you here because I thought it already did that?
12. that is picky, but also unnecessary with linear motors
13. I will never say no to more repairability
14. they've been moving toward this and I'd be surprised if the next flagship did not have this
1. it already does this? I need more clarification
2. I think you could achieve the same thing by hiding them or showing only favorites which would be better from a ease of use perspective
3. a lot of Orca eventually get incorporated, so it's bound to happen
@@OddJobEntertainment
My experience with CPAPS are null as I've never used one. On every video of Vez3d's VZBot(Glorious project, don't get me wrong. Man is a genius) it sounds overbearing when pushing the limits. (ruclips.net/video/E3kBau82SwU/видео.html)
Touching on number 2, yeah an air tight seal wouldn't be good. But knowing where your fresh air supply is, and where your VOC contaminated air goes, would be a huge deal. Touching on number 10, solid state humidity control would exhaust the humidity by itself, leaving behind the oxygen. No need to replace the air as it doesn't create negative pressure. Just the moisture.
Now touching on BBS number 1, you can multi-cut in the form of doing another cut after another. Currently there's no way to produce 2 or more cuts, producing more than 2 cut parts, per action. IE: Cutting a square into 4 corners in 1 cut, not 3.
What i would love the most would be able to print with different nozzle sizes on the same print. Larger print bed could be nice to have but not as much as a multi-nozzle.
I would totally love that. I design 3D terrain for tabletop gaming. Some part of my building are fine in draft mode, actually it’s beneficial once painted while some details within the same build needs high details. The ability to change writhing, would help a great deal.
Oh my God that would be amazing! I'd even be willing to swap them out manually if it were possible with a pause partway through.
@@Oberon4278 ideally, interior features would be printed with the larger nozzle, and exterior perimeters would be printed with the small nozzle. So the printer would need to swap every layer. Swapping by hand wouldn't be fabulous in that case.
I really enjoyed your take on what Bamboo should bring in the next release. I may have missed it but something important to me is printable area and bed size. Bamboo need at least 350 x 350 in my opinion.
I did mention it, but only briefly. I feel like it's a given that the next one will need to be larger else they will disappoint a lot of people.
I want a larger print volume. Even if it’s just a 400mm sq x1c.
When shopping around for a 3D printer I was SUPER TEMPTED to get a Creality K1 Max for its 300mm cubed print volume, but I don't really print anything stupid tall needing that Z dimension, so the X1C is great for me. Even if I print something tall it's with in the 256mm^3 the X1C has and provides.
@@ShiggitayMediaProductions It’s useful for printing helmets and other wearable items. The x1c can just barely do it. I have to print at an extreme angle.
@@greatwhtrabbitt oh yeah I get that such tall volumes are great but not for me at least not so far lol
It’s already here! 350mm^3 build volume, actively heated chamber, high speed core XY printing, filament changer that you can actually clear without taking it completely apart that is also gasketed, dual Z steppers for precision bed leveling, and it is built for easy maintenance… only $1400 right now. It’s the Creality K2 Plus!!! 🤣😂🤣
After my e5+, I'm really hesitant to get another Creality machine. It is a very feature rich printer. But it doesn't fulfill the whole dream machine I lay out here.
Dam son. Great no fluff content. Keep it coming
You got it
Great overview of the urrent status of 3D printing. Having and loving my X1C and P1P I can't wait to see what Bambu comes up with next!
You and me both!
I'm considering buying one for the first time but I think I'd rather deep dive into CAD before I go and make a purchase, I'm between the A1 and the X1C
I think that's a good route. While you can certainly print all kinds of files from other people, i get the most enjoyment printing my own ideas. CAD is essential for that. I'd suggest onshape. I've used Solidworks, F360 and Onshape has the best of both imo.
I ended up settling with plasticity, thanks for the recommendations tho 👍🏼
I have wrote about the IDEX idea used in next Bambu printer in FB Bambu Lab users group year ago :D
There's also the Bambu X1E which is not available directly from Bambu themselves, nor is the specialized filament made specifically for it. Authorized 3rd party sellers require you to call for a quote if you're interested in purchasing it.
B2B is a strange world.
Try buying office furniture😂 same story
I absolutely would not buy this printer if it came with a bowden tube. It creates too many additional variables to f**k up and its 10 times harder to purge if you need to clear a clog. The added 30mms is basically next to nothing when your just generally printing day to day things. Yeah i know some people want max out their print speed but i would much rather have a more stable system in the long run than have it print a bency 30 seconds faster on something thats prone to failing more often. I transitioned to DD and im not going back. Otherwise i think the other suggestions are good.
Fair enough. I'd like to see it as an option. There's a few limited cases where it's handy. I'd want them to stick with DD by default. But if BT was an optional add-on, I'd like to put one in my bank of heads.
@OddJobEntertainment it would be interesting from a technical standpoint to see how they could make them interchangeable. Those interchangeable nozzles they make are interesting and I wouldn't have thought it possible to do that so if anyone can do it bambu lab could.
For any new printer, I'd like to see the ability to use different nozzle diameters in the same print. Non planar printing would also be nice.
Great video, instant fan. I design 3D terrain for tabletop gaming, and this type discussions helps by pushing new ideas and hopefully listening ears will take those conversations seriously.
Just bought my x1c yesterday with the AMS then see this…. I really want a big Bambu
I'm still very happy with my X1C and I'm sure you will be too. But the world of tech is constantly changing and I'd love to see a bigger and feature updated BL printer.
Respect.. Wel thought trough.. Nicely presented.. This helps getting 3D printing better and even more fun 👌🍀
Glad you enjoyed it!
Lots of great ideas here. I hope decisionmakers at Bambu are listening.
I hope so too!
I had a really really bad experience with a Bowden system, thought it was with an Anycubic mega s
Interesting ideas! Idex seems to be likely, I was also wondering if Bambu found a way to make real multicolor printing available with mixing CYMK filaments or so 😮
Have similar thought about Bambu - I'd like to really see multi-head solutions - initially I was for bigger bed, but after over a year of 3d printing - multi material printing is at top of my wishlist. PLA/PETG or TPU and others - one can get really amazing results
Interesting point about anisotropy. Extra resonances when moving multiple heads simultaneously will be a control challenge (input shaping stuff) - as seen in error rates of racks of spinning hard drives.
Makes me wonder: how much effort would it take to make a linear motor driver that senses the induced currents from the moving head to be used in a closed loop system that deduces required input shaping from the corrections?
I'd love to see Bambu Lab come out with a a tool-head changer like the Prusa. Four tool-heads with the options of running each tool-head to each filament on the AMS would be great... allowing the priming tower to be eliminated in 4 color prints or allowing a priming tower and filament 💩 for more than 4 filaments. The actively heated chamber of the X1E needs to be standard on any new printer as well or at least on the X series. Having a hotend with 500°C would be awesome as well. It's definitely time to see nozzles capable of printing at temperature that allow better layer adhesion on Nylons and other engineering grade filaments.
I think we mostly agree. But, I think I'd prefer to have the AMS relatively unchanged. I'm imagining the mess of tubes that would result from having each filament addressable like that. It's a tough one to solve. But if the internal spool holder could carry my TPU to one head, and then the AMS fed another head with a rigid filament, that would solve most of my multi-material complaints already without modifying the AMS.
The Prusa XL with all 5 tool heads costs in excess of $5k. I don't think Bambu has any interest in operating in that market. Once you get that expensive, you're not far from serious pro grade printers.
Unfortunately Bambu has now officially delayed the public release of its next major printer to take the place of the X1C as their prime offering until Q1 2025.
I saw that. Bit of a bummer. My ego would love to think my video influenced them to make some additions. But I'm way too small of a creator to have that kind of impact.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re looking at a larger floor standing machine with dual and multimaterial extrusion. Maybe with built in filament management similar to an ultimaker which also targets the prosumer and industrial customers.
ooh, I do not want a floor unit and I don't see them going that way.
@@OddJobEntertainment Might not be a floor standing machine but I've seen posts of a pair of large BBL boxes which are almost shoulder height. Might not even be the xl machine. Might be X2 and P2. Only a few people really know. Pretty exciting.
Have some mates that have been allegedly testing what is an X2. That should be the next printer out from them. I was hoping for a P2 series, but I don't know if that will be out for a while. I'll likely be picking up a Qidi Plus 4 and an A1 from bamboo later
If they follow the same pattern the P series will follow stripped of some high end features.
We need an A1 "Max" with 30cm that just works for the poorer folks. Elegoos current big printers are crappy. Would pre-order an A1 Max combo instantly.
The way they made the nozzle so easy to change with the A1, I have to think they are working on automating that.
That would be cool.
Unless we get consumer level SLS printers we unfortunally have to deal with all that jazz with FDM printers. SLA printers are too messy for a lot of people (toxic smelly resin) so we hobbyists are pretty much stuck with melted plastic... 😜
Ah right, thank you FormLabs for immediately killing the Kickstarter of the now impossible first consumer grade SLS printer (Micronics3d). 🤷♂️
I don’t mind your shave 🪒 😂Great content. Is there something like a library of useful prints? Maybe what possible customers really would like? Is there a laserscanner out there, that could produce step files in a printable quality? Thanks and kind regards from Germany 🇩🇪
Sure, there's several sources for useful print ideas. But the best will be something you come up with yourself. If you're looking for files to print, make sure to always respect the rights of the originator and their copyright.
You should be the chief engineer for BBL and get paid for all these great ideas.
I'm flattered. I'm just a tinkering hobbyist.
Huh you are a star citizen backer?! Lol I am too and also just looking for a new 3D printer to print all my star citizen models!
Yep, I've been doing a couple series showing the CAD process to make some SC models here on the channel.
@OddJobEntertainment I plan to print my Idris-P and keep it in my living room!!
Qidi just released the Plus4 for $799, what that printer specs, is what I am wanting the next bambu to be, if it is, I am willing to pay $1000 for it from bambu. But if bambu did it, it will probably be $1700. If they dont offer something comparable in specs, then I'll just buy the Qidi and put it right next to my Bambu.
Those build volume dimensions though... So weird. Also... "Qidi- Box" for their multi color offering? That sounds so stupid lol. AMS is better and to the point.
i hope its an IDEX but i doubt it.
I am not a Bambu lab person for two reason their do not support the right to repair for me that alone is a deal breaker and the other is their closed source software I want to do the work, I do not need someone to do for me because I want to play with my printer because I have the time to do so I am only running one printer this is not my job for me it is a toy! For those two reason I cannot buy Bambu lab yes I do know the prints come out great the mechine is simply and works like a work horse for me that is a job I really don't need I want a toy to break and repair and see the inside to see why it works! Great video I did learn something from you new SUB & Like! Peace!
3D printing as a tool vs. 3D printing as a hobby. If you enjoy tinkering, that's great, I want the printer for what it enables me to do, not for what I can do to it.
@@OddJobEntertainmentthis, as someone who runs a product design company, I just need the most efficient, reliable, and easy to use printer. I love open source but in most situations, it’s cheeper to just buy a replacement while a machine is down or in warranty repair than pay someone to tinker with it instead of doing their actual job.
Now with TPU for AMS
I would like the AMS to also be a filament drier with the ability to maintain filaments at optimum humidity
Could be good for an AMS 2.0 they've certainly got a lot of room for improvement there.
First printer I see Bambu has a Black Friday deal coming 10/20 should I wait for new printer release or buy one now ! 24:16
lol this is the star citizen channel. I just thought this was from my 3d printing algorithm. Guess our interests are all the same....
We're all nerds. I straddle the line of games and engineering. So, while I've mostly been an SC channel, I'm trying to expand to use more of my skills in my production.
I think next innovation in 3D printing will be 4/5 Axis movement.
Well, that is what a tilting bed gets you.
Great video, agree with all your points, but i think they will just go for a four head machine inclosed with a quick change nozzle ,four just under £2000 .I have subscribed as i am looking forward to your next video.
The dual head system and the magnetic drives are my most expected features.
My next filament printer will be the ProForge 300, with the motor upgrade and at least two tool heads.
Hadn't actually heard of this one, looks pretty cool.
I’ve been following this guy for years and as he’s developed his products they’ve got better and better. I saw the four tool version, but was quite critical, then I saw the ProForge250, and for an extrusion based low volume printer, it was competitive in the UK, with some good design elements, plus you can add to it. I have an X1C, after other printers, and I was able to good results from day 1. It’s been upgraded, but won’t do anymore to it now… need a toolchanger, as want to organise filaments grouped based on temperature within each tool head, fed from dry boxes and an AMS system.
So you want the perfect printer and economical system. I'm down with that.
When the X1C first came out, it basically was the perfect machine. But there's been a number of advancements since then and I hope they've been paying attention.
First printer I see Bambu has a Black Friday deal coming 10/20 should I wait for new printer release or buy one now !
It really depends on your budget. I'd expect the new one to be $1500 or more. If that's too high, get the X1C on Black Friday and you'll be happy regardless.
@@OddJobEntertainment yea I got mine for like $1200 with an AMS. Worth.
Unless bambulab comes out with linear motors + dual extrusion, its prolly not worth it lowkey
One question I have not seen in other videos. Do you think this new printer would come with a new AMS and if they do, would then old AMS be compatible?
You never know for sure. But i think it would be a big misstep if it was not backwards compatible.
@@OddJobEntertainment
agree, I hope that is not the case since there have been so many missed opportunities with the current AMS
Cpap tubes are heavy compared to a small fan. And the motors don’t react that quickly and being a considerable distance away needs time to build pressure
Also cpap motors are expensive
You should look at the VZbot project. Open source high speed printing using CPAP. Tube is 15g compared to 24g for typical fan used on Voron.
Got my MW points poised to pre-order, C'MON BBL!!!
Brazilian Butt Lift? Ha ha, don't worry, I know what you meant.
I’m considering getting a P1S as my first printer, but I don’t know if I should wait for the next Bambu printer to come out before I make a purchase. Do you have any advice or do you have a prediction of when specifically we might get more info of when the next Bambu printer is coming?
Unfortunately, I do not have any kind of inside scoop. P1S and the X1C are targeted to different kinds of consumers. Any new flagship would likely be targeting the same price point as the X1C, and so you should make your determination with that in mind. Are you an X1 consumer? Or is the P1S better suited to you?
You will not be disappointed with the P1S
@@OddJobEntertainment Actually, in the time since my first comment, I changed my mind and bought a Creality K1 Max, because I realized the larger print volume was more important. Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate the help.
@@liammiller.designOoh.. bad idea. Unfortunately I’ve had one of those and it’s never worked. Jams, breaks, and unhelpful support. I returned it before it caught on fire. Would not recommend.
Please do not get the X1C. They have a huge design flaw where the bearings are press fitted to the frame of the machine. If and when those bearings wear out. There is no way to replace them because they are locked into the frame of the machine. The majority of users have had these bearings breaks after 250 days of printing.
This is actually the first I'm hearing of this. Mine has been functioning flawlessly. I'd be curious to take a look at it though. What axis specifically?
@@OddJobEntertainment there is a bearing behind the machine on the bottom left side. That bearing is secured permanently to the chassis of the machine. Eventually that bearing will wear out even if you lubricate it. This is because it is held down by hard plastic. The bearing will slowly grind away the plastic and cause your belts to loosen to where you cant print anything. There is another bearing that is secured to the main frame of the machine which is located on the front side in the upper right corner of the machine. More and more people are starting to have issues with those bearings after around 6k print hours. The sad part is bambulabs doesnt seem to be doing anything about it and there are no replacement parts for it since they are stuck permanently to the frame of the machine.
Iv heard stories like this for litterally every printer out there lmfao.
Im convinced that 99.99% of these goofy ahh stories are prolly from literal retards.
A mf on the comment section litterally said he returned his X1C because his nozzle got a clog and bro had no idea how to unclog it ig.
Almost every point mentioned has its flaws, for example regarding the fans he said that adding tubes with larger quieter and more powerful ones will be beneficial but the reality is that running tubes requires lousy fans because of the air pressure that will built up inside the tubes; another ting is regarding the overhangs in a tilted bed: at the moment none single free slicer allow to move every 1 of the 3 independent motors for the bed, you need to write custom gcode or another slicer; another mentioned point is belts and motors for moving the toolhead comparing it with the new printer from peopoly but that machine requires another kind of maintenance, is expensive to built and is for another target of consumers.
You have a lot of good points, but your missing the biggest one from BBL itself: they don't want to serve a 3D printer for print farms. They main objective is to have good, cheap almost-reliable, house appliance to enable 3D printing for the masses and convert their 3D printer in a common electronic in a house, like it was the typical 2D printers (HP, Epson, Cannon, etc.)
Well, of course, there are flaws. That's engineering in a nutshell, looking at and comparing alternatives. VZbot uses CPAP fans to have great success. Just on that point, you can end up with tube's that are inflexible and too heavy, or they're too flexible and sag as a result. In engineering, you'll always need to consider potential downsides, but that doesn't mean you ignore alternatives and potential benefits.
The downside of larger CoreXY 3D printers is lower print quality, due to the extra slack caused by the excessive length of the belts in such large CoreXY configurations. That's why I hope for a magnetic track with levitating linear motors for the next big Bambu, somehow like the MagnetoX by Peopoly.
They could also reduce slack by going with a AWD configuration. But linear motors has the most room to grow.
Stratasys has an interesting machine that prints in color, - Incredibly expensive at $188, 995.00. Also incredibly complex, but perhaps a look at the video could lend some ideas?
Yeah, Stratasys can kick rocks. Nearly $200 grand for a machine? No wonder they're being outdone.
@@OddJobEntertainment You should maybe spend some time at a democrat re-education camp.
not sure how to take that.
There are roomers Elego might beat them on releasing large core XY. My guess is 420x420.
There's certainly a lot of competition. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
You still have a purge tower with the Prusa just no poop.
I did say "reducing the need for purge towers". The XL uses less material in constructing the tower compared to an X1. But you are correct, the poop is definitely the largest contributor to waste.
Two things I would like to see. One, the layer lines totally disappear. Two, a two foot wide by two foot deep by infinite height build volume. Ok 6 foot height. Oh, and a place to hold my beer.
The first is an engineering feat, the second is a physics nightmare, and the third is more in the realm of a custom mod.
@@OddJobEntertainment ok by me.
Why not modify the lidar so it does a 3d scan? That way you can have a 'copy function'.
The idea sounds cool, but it's not as simple as modifying the existing sensor with the function. The LiDAR detects everything directly in front of it, err, below it. Imagine printing a mushroom, the shape has an obvious overhang, but if viewed from the top, it's just a circle. That's why 3D scanners will employ an array of sensors with different viewpoints and require you to move around. Now picture an engine bay of a car. Even if you rotate around the car, you will miss details on the other side of the engine compartment. You really want a tool in this case that you can move in all 6 axes without restriction. The mechanical structure to make a 6 DOF movement system will typically be more like a robotic arm, a gantry as seen in printers, just can't get THAT level of freedom. Maybe they could add sensors in a strip along a corner for basic scans, but they'd need to include some caveats about what it can achieve.
As far as i Know arent the pressure sensors in Bambu Printers in the tool head, rather they are in the bed.
And i think probing in some way with the nozzle is the best thing to do, becaue you or the software dont has to fiddle withe the z offset😅
In most cases, I'd say you're right. Most printers using some variation of a V6 nozzle are going to have variances that can affect the z-offset. But in the case of BL, where all the hardware is controlled, they know those values exactly, and any more subtle differences can be accounted for in calibration.
@OddJobEntertainment Mhh ok for me i more like a precise slower Leveling, wich i know works with evry Build plate the same. Than a fast less reliable (wich Eddie and co is), as i don't babysit my Printer at start anymore i also really dont care about the 4min startup sequence 😅
11:30 Small note, the bed leveling info is built into the bed on the x1/p1 with a piezoelectric sensor.
Also please fix your discord link, I would like to share some of my knowledge
Sorry about that, link should work now.
Bamboo have made printers into tools that just work but the old guys just want to tinker with them still... I get a single / dual head to enable better multi material but the rest is just superfluous additional complication that will lead to problems and failures. The limiting factor is likely already melt speed anyways. There's a speed limit to all things including fdm
Also linear motor likely do not reduce mass they just unwind the motor along the gantry. Core xy is superior despite its maintenance requirements. Implementing the many ideas here would mean a way way way more expensive machine for little gains and make it inaccessible
Qidi Plus 4 just hit market with $800 pricetag with a good number of what I've requested. Linear motors do add a little bit of weight to the gantry compared to carbon rods on their own but they dramatically simplify construction. They also have true closed loop communication which helps a lot with error reduction and repeatability. Even without increasing melt speed, an improved motion system has intrinsic benefits.
Nah lowkey linear motors + tool changers are standard on CNC machines and are long overdue to be on 3D printers.
Very good video.
Thanks for the visit
Have you seen the Qidi Plus 4?
I just saw NIMI's video about it. It has a lot of great stuff, especially for only $800.
I don't want to see that company release more bespoke garbage I want them to go open source like almost everyone else.
I understand the argument. With bespoke, you can have better integration and support. I know that's not the case in most situations. But BL has been an exception in my experience.
Whil I think multi head would be good … I really doubt it’ll happen. Not at the prosumer price of $600 ish.
(P1s and x1c are pretty much identical for 95% of the use cases)
I think $600 is quite restrictive for prosumer. That'sstill on the budget end. The X1C is $1450 as a bundle. I'd expect these capabilities below $2k but not by much.
Isn’t sidex just regular idex? Can someone explain the difference
SIDEX incorporates the ability to dock and offload the secondary head. An idex machine typically takes a speed penalty in some scenarios because it doubles the toolhead mass by virtue of always having 2 at once. SIDEX would be having the option of 1 or 2 heads on the gantry to begin with.
I thought we were seriously going to watch the X1C level lol.
Nah, I'm not that mean. Maybe as a gag around April Fool's
I do stand at my X1C and watch it print sometimes... I know I can watch it from the camera angle shot from within a slicer, but still... watching directly from the door is certain kind of satisfying...
Needs to be at least 420x420x420
Why that number specifically?
@@OddJobEntertainment That or bigger. I have very large 3D maps I need to print.
Larger X1E with IDEX or 2 heads with AMS.
Kind of. There's still quite a few differences. The X1E is too rich for my blood. So my hope is that they target the X1C 0ricepoint.
Bambu Labs is good for the short term. For the long term, they will force companies to keep their innovations closed and patented and 3d printing innovation will be slow.
I'm not a fan of a lot of their patent behavior. I'm also not entirely on the side that patents have no place.
Edit: I should clarify that the reason I'm not impressed with them IS because of their numerous efforts to patent open source ideas.
We're all neckbeards here, nothing to be ashamed of!
What if they used magnets to drive the nozle drive gears.... Might be able to lower weight
I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying.
@@OddJobEntertainment Oh I was just wondering if you removed the motors from a direct drive nozzle and used magnes to drive the gears to advance the filament as a way to lighten the nozzle assembly even more while maintaining the advantages of a direct drive setup
@@OddJobEntertainment sort of like a mini maglev train that goes in a circle... The gearing that moves the filament.
@@SiliconRiot well if you consider the inside of the motor that drives the filament, you essentially get what you're describing. Motors are magnets interacting with an electromagnetic field created by the copper coils. A rotary motor makes more sense in this case because extrusion is a high torque application.
Think you should have a look at anker make 6 nozzles print head
I'll have to look into it. I tried to find it, but it's not pulling up on mobile.
But if it's all on the same head, that's a lot of mass added.
🤣🤣🤣 it's not the neck beard, it's about what your talking about 👍
I have a Bambulabs P1S after running all K1's in a small print farm for over a year non stop i was very excited to add a very reliable accurate printer to the line up. What i have found is that although it's a great printer the carbon rods seem to be it's achilles heel when it comes to long term reliability printing ABS, ASA. They have bound up aftr 8 months creating weak under extrusions and once the chamber gets above 40 degress celsius the issues start to occur. I heard one reason is they changed the self lubricating bearing to a cheaper steel one and since then problems have been occurring. The K1's although not nearly as refined as the Bambulabs printers have proven to be more reliable due to the stainless steel rods on the gantry. A few dabs of grease every now and then keeps them sliding away without issue day after day. The Bambulabs is more of a surgical instrument and would be great long term with cooler less less tacky filaments like PLA and PETG but for high temp long prints it does fall over.
Everything has tradeoffs, CF is lightweight exceptionally rigid, but needs special care compared to cheaper, heavier, steel.
Yea... Beacon might be faster than Opto / Mechanical solutions but who cares? With a properly setup Start Routine that speed gain will do NOTHING since most likely you'll be waiting for either the Chamber or at least the Heat Bed to have come to Printing Temperature giving any Opto / Mechanical Solution all the time it needs for it to finish its Probing Cycle. It's like that guy overcompensating with his Muscle Car angrily overtaking you when 20sec later you come to a halt next to him at the red Street Light in your paltry Smart. A Probing Scheme with a sensibly sized Grid and / or Adaptive Meshing should also hardly take any more time to begin with.
And then there's the benefit of Tool Head Compliance with Solutions like Voron TAP ( in the DIY Space ) that allow the Tool Head to be pushed upwards and away from a Print whose Corners have started to curl up potentially getting the Tool Head caught on - A Compliant Tool Head will just get shoved up and come smacking down again with a Thunk Noise warning you before disaster strikes. A non-Compliant one might have its Hotend ripped off at the Heat Break ( unless you have one built like a Tank like the Slice Engineering ones )
I can see your point. I think there are other benefits as well. Magnetic sensors have higher resolution than many mechanical systems. But they also don't suffer from things that can trip up those mechanical systems. For instance, with my Bambu, in rare cases, the filament buildup has affected the z-offset enough to cause a print failure. The filament piled up underneath the nozzle progressively causing it to move further from the bed as it completed the cycle. No contact from a magnetic sensor means this can't ever happen. You mention preheating the bed, but often the printer will heat the bed and then run a probe cycle. That's how it is for the Bambu and many others as well. Since these steps can't really be parallelized (due to thermal expansion) speeding up the probing cycle still has a sizeable benefit. As it pertains to a tool changer setup, a magnetic sensor is uniquely qualified as it can more easily account for variances in z-height between toolheads. Mechanical sensors are also subject to debounce, which can either cause errors or dramatically slow down the probing cycle. At the end of the day, magnetic sensors are easy, cheap, and better all around so I expect that they'll become standard flair in future printer models.
Magnet rails are cool but very heavy.
They don't have to be. The only important part of the rail is the magnets. Everything else can be made of lighter weight materials.
@@OddJobEntertainment then why didnt peopoly make it lighter?
There's always tradeoffs with any engineering decision. Carbon fiber is lightweight, exceptionally rigid, and more expensive. Other printers are more sensitive to high gantry weight because a skipped tooth on the belt means a layer shift. Since linear motors have closed loop control, it's much harder to get those kinds of print defects. So with much of the penalty of a heavier gantry gone, it's possible Peopoly didn't think it worth the added cost at the time.
I think bambu labs is not the right company for all these upgrades. Yes their current printers work well, but they didn't innovate any single thing that they do. They are mostly there for the money, not so much for the innovation. It's easier for them to copy others when they perfect it first.
I think you may be neglecting how much of the X1C was a first for the industry. They've definitely innovated, so much that they're the thing everyone copies now.
You seriously need to take a look at the rat rig vcore 4
Ratrig is a great option for tinkerers. I'd feel confident in my ability to get it working reliably. But the fact that it is a kit is a pretty big deterrent for a lot of people.
@@OddJobEntertainment Yes definitely, but from everything I have heard about the Vcore 4, there seems to be a lot of hand holding. Hardware and software wise. I am considering the Vcore 4 with idex and the MMU once that is available
is that an ai model thats talking
No, that's a human being with feelings and all. I even pass captcha tests.
@@OddJobEntertainment oh sheesh im sorry mid way your lips and eyes started changing color so i figured it was ai😅
bamboo is perfect for printing PLA or PETG junk. When you start playing with more demanding filaments, it becomes clear what a toy this printer is. The company wants to earn as much as possible at the lowest cost, so don't expect a machine that will last for years. The funniest thing is that they make fun of Prusa and when it released a toolchanger, all manufacturers will now try to catch up with it 😅
I think that undersell the capability quite a bit. But you're not wrong to point out that Prusa did set a new bar by having a toolchanger.
You couldn’t be further from the truth. Literally nothing you said is correct. Stop jerking off prusa.
I would not call these printers affordable. the ender 3 is affordable. does not stop me from drooling over them, atm i can only afford a wanhao D12 300 which cost me $400
To be fair, a Bambu A1 Mini is ~$200 and is a crazy good machine.
just want to point out that you're equating initial cost with affordability, it is your use case so that's all that matters for you, but some who, for example, equate time as money, or uptime = convenience, would include lost time on repairs, maintenence, calibration, initial setup, z-height and bed leveling recalibrations, firmware customizing, etc. as unaffordable, despite the initial cost. I use my printer for fun and for work, I spend approx 1hr every 3 months on maintenence, and zero time repairing problems on average. this makes the printer more affordable for me.
They are more expensive for initial investment. But the same E5+ I mention cost me $750 when I got it, I've given it a new control board, direct drive extruder (Revo Hemera XS), bed upgrade, all to get a fraction of the performance and reliability I get out of my X1C. But when you factor in failed prints to the cost, the X1C comes out on top by a huge margin.
To even say that BL printers aren't affordable is a copium comment. With the A1 costing $200 USD, which is less than an Ender 3, and is EASILY 100x more reliable straight out of the box...
You're just anti-bambu.
Hell, the A1 is less than an Ender 3 and is bigger. Like, come on man. Just say "I hate bambu lab" lmao
You are bad in financial decisions, please stop with it.
Really strange, no comments in over 12 hours and with 500+ views?
We're here! Looking forward to what Bambu will come up with!
just popped up on my algorhtm
nice video, a small detail. As far i know the x1 has the pressure sensor in the Bed and not in the head. If you machine levels it selve just press slightly on the bed. At least my ones have it in the bed.
Are you Matt Gaetz’s chubby brother?
I'm not chubby, I just have extra personality.
who cares if you didnt shave? its fine...
I hold myself to a high standard.
I'd like to see: 300-350mm build volume minimum / Reversible front door w/lift off hinges / better multi point lighting / magneto drive / quick swap nozzle with magnetic electrical connection / better nozzle wiper / direct Wifi connection without needing cloud / dual firmware boot stock or X1 Plus / improved LIDAR as well as some of the suggestions below by @aeonjoey3d
For those wondering. That Vision Minor machine is obtainable for just 15 easy payments of 999.99$
True, but they're target 500C as well. A consumer grade machine that hits 300C is a lot easier to make.