When he says there's no conspiracy, that's not exactly true. Food scientists also attempt to addict people to unsatisfying food, as part of how they sell more. They don't tell the customer they're doing this. They even claim they're healthy sometimes.
Conspiracies are all around us everywhere there is a profit to be made by lies. Regardless of the harm to humans. Power and money are the factors NOT heathyness to rob them! Research and do what makes your body feel right for YOU!
everybody lies/distorts/exaggerates to sell more product. it's not a conspiracy. it's a business model. toothpaste, Girl Scout Cookies, autos, plastic surgery, elections, megachurches, etc. basically every human endeavor.
People in Asia do eat more carbs in the form of noodles and rice but these carbs arent unlimited. They also eat lots of fish, beef and vegetables to go with their rice and noodles. They typically don't eat much sugar, sweets or junk food. They have a strong family and community structure, do lots of walking, meditation and even tia chi or martial arts. But those same Asians who come here, to the US, away from family, eat our processed foods, GMO grains, sweets, drive more, walk less and stop meditation, gain weight and develop diabetes.
Yes my mom is always confused about how she could eat so much rice in the Philippines but not here. Then she tells me she was walking miles in the heat to go get the ingredients for that same meal lol
@usernameryan5982 um no. You don't have to explain his point to me dude. You stop. Go back and read what I said again. And BTW, there are no essential carbs. They are just cheap filler foods. If you have any health issues, it's best to keep carb intake low or avoid them all together, especially inflammatory grains!!
Thank you Heidi! The goal is to become less wrong as quickly as possible. That's the scientific method, and it's pretty awesome. It can lead to rapid progress when done well. The nutrition field is ripe with dogma so there's great potential for advancement.
WHEN YOU CALL A DONUT A CARB FOOD THAT IS BIAS NOT SCIENCE DONUTS HAVE PLENTY OF REFINED FATS EVEN WORSE SO CALLED LOW CARB SCIENTISTS REER TO POTATO CHIPS AS A HIGH CARB FOOD. 60 PERCENT OF THE CALORIES IN POTATO CHIPS ARE FAT CALORIES
So weight loss aside.....there's also the issue of inflammation. Low carb and Keto diets have a good track record of reducing inflammation but do low processed high carb diets also have the same effect? Also some people with chronic fatigue have their energy levels restored by Keto style diets as the energy pathway is quite different.
I am so thankful to here this. I ate only whole food for years, never achieved my goal of losing fat and gaining muscle. I felt always starving so ive ate more vegetables and nuts too much. I am starting to eat meats after watching your channel and im seeing results so fast. Thank you again ❤ I really appreciate your channel
@@Marie… yes! I ate whole food plant foods for years and wasn’t thriving. Recently went carnivore! Update: Dec 2023, now I’m ketovore (still mostly carnivore) and following Stephanie Person.
meat is also a whole food! Keep on eating whole foods! I am eating more protein now and it does help to lose weight. However, I don't like meat that much so it's a challenge. Fish is great, a little hamburger but I honestly don't even like chicken lately - and I just eat organic or grass fed
I like this because it’s sensible. Humans are adaptable and couldn’t have evolved or survived if we couldn’t use a variety of foods. Thriving is another matter, and eating whole foods as much as possible is probably important to thrive and avoid disease.
@@DrAndreasEenfeldtThere are so many ancient cultures who ate grains, dairy and beans/legumes and lived till 90’s or more. Why are we struggling so much with what to eat (saying only keto is best?) and avoid (saying whole clean natural carbs are so bad?) and reinventing such an age old wheel? Not sure why there are so many changes in foods to eat and avoid , is it simply due to our toxic environments and lifestyles with technological advances? Sigh!
Congratulations Dr Lyon, you're amongst the rare diet thought leaders and authors to ask the alcohol question. Too many authors and speakers totally ignore it as if it does not exist. It is how a high % of adults self-medicate at the end of the day. The whole satiety area is fascinating as it is so nuanced. People could categorise foods as "appetite-stimulating" versus "appetite-calming". Comparing 3 low satiety foods (cream, butter and macadamias), the macadamias would be appetite-simulating (for many people) and so those people are better off no having them in their food environments (home, work & travel). It's a pity you did not get into the benefit of strength training during weight loss and beyond, but save that for interview 2. Another question is the role of a coach for guidance and accountability. We have a program where people are coached weekly for 15 minutes for at least 12 months. Habit change takes a lot longer than most believe.
Interesting, that study 19 mins for me suggests you can lose weight anyway. But he didn’t talk about any other health factors so you can’t assume both diets make you healthy.
All bodies do not process food the same. Metabolism is pretty complex, therefore there is no one diet that fits all. The one uniform reality is that all ultra-processed, high carb foods are not healthy. Body weight is not the only marker for good health. Start with a healthy baseline and adjust amount of protein, healthy fats, and healthy carbs as needed over time.
I don’t understand why some or many say protein is the most satiating of the macros. I find pure fat to be the absolute most satiating. I can eat a whole lot more protein than I can fat! 🤷♀️
Same here!! Eating more fat was the first time I ever knew when to stop eating. In the past I always had to force myself to stop and I’d keep picking as i was cleaning up. But with more fat I would be unmistakably done - and I’d feel great after a meal (not too full) with really good energy
Fat is dense energy food, when you eat fat to satiety, you ll find that you have accumulated too many calories. Most people assume that fat disappears in the body, not true, it still raises basal insulin. Check out Ted Naiman.
@@augustgphs I think it is unfortunate that many people are unaware of the harm oxalates can and do cause and will follow this advice thinking they are eating a healthy food. I should know as I was one of those, up until a few months ago.
@@augustgphs " In fact, it is recommended to include many oxalate-containing plant foods in the diet as evidence suggests that these foods play a vital role in disease prevention. However, those who experience frequent oxalate kidney stones or have certain genetic and digestive disorders may want to speak with a physician and registered dietitian for guidance on treatment, which may include appropriately monitoring oxalate consumption"
@@cinuk only weaklings can't handle oxalates. like Sally Norton. poor thing is allergic to everything and wants the rest of the world to stop eating things that bother her.
@@catcan221It's such a pity because there are very few foods that are crazy high in oxalates and spinach is one of them. There are a ton of greens that could be used instead. Also the huge increase in the use of almond flour and almond milk as a low carb alternative to regular flour is highly problematic since it makes the oxalates in almonds a lot more bioavailable
What if you hit your protein goals and not your energy goals, which leads to lower daily calories routinely? Will that reduce your BMR over time so that should be avoided and try to hit your calorie goal as well to protect your thyroid and hormones?
I had heard of HAVA before this. It’s a really fascinating interview. I think what he says about lack of satiety in nuts and some dairy- and some of our inability to get enough of these… wow… this made so much sense. I was vegan most of my life and craved protein for decades. I would eat so many nuts!! Then when I added animal products almost 3 years ago (first eggs from my own hens and 1.5 later fish… and finally a meat/fat diet to treat cancer… Paleomedicina’s PKD diet)… well I started to experience actual satiety!! I broke my veganism with salmon and I felt better than I’ve ever felt. Salmon still makes me feel that way. Eggs and ruminant meat also feel really good. So there is a point to my comment… just that I started with high veggie Keto, then switched to PKD meat & fat diet. I felt exhausted (probably a lot of stress contributed) during this 8+ months of meat/fat PKD diet. I want to stay in therapeutic ketosis as much as possible to prevent cancer from returning. But I want to also just feel better and stronger. I have a very active job. I feel like my muscles and energy can’t keep up. I’ve seen many of your videos recently and other RUclipsrs talking about starting with 1 gram of protein per pound ideal body weight. I’m on my 4th day of this and it really is incredibly satiating!! I also thinks it’s fascinating and hopeful to think that I could potentially play with my macros and add some carbs down the line. It might be a few years as I want to keep cancer away. But it’s something to look forward to🙏🏽 I wonder why do you say that less active people need MORE protein? (That’s counter intuitive !). And last question… two meals a day works best in my schedule. Is there anything wrong with 100g protein at one meal? I’m shooting for 150 and usually get 50-60 for breakfast and 90-100 for dinner. Thanks 🙏🏽
I do 2MAD, but I ensure that I eat a bigger % of protein in my 1st meal than I do in my second, basically 60 / 40 as a percentage. According to Dr Donald Layman, Dr Gabrielle Lyon mentor the 1st protein intake is key as that is the longest time you'd be in a catabolic state and the body will be that much more receptive for protein. Caveats apply.
@@Sarah, I’d check out Stephanie Person. She has been doing a high fat keto diet for 16 years and has worked with thousands of clients, and she values what she has _seen_ in her clients over studies, because sadly, not all studies are accurate, and many are based on profit. :( She says women should get 75 grams of protein daily or less (no more than 20-25 per meal or it may spike your blood sugar), and at least 200 grams daily of fat. She achieves this by adding lots of butter to her 3-4 meals. Not only is high fat great for fighting cancer, but it’s also very healing for the body-especially for the adrenals, thyroid and balancing hormones. Best to you in figuring out your journey. ❤
I must be misunderstanding what the word “satiety” means … he gave butter as an example of a whole food that isn’t necessarily satiating. If I have a couple table spoons of butter, I’m set for many hours - zero hunger. What am I missing?
Butter gives a lot of satiety but even more calories. Satiety per calorie is pretty low, unfortunately (spoken as someone who used to be a believer in high-fat nutrition).
Depends where you are starting from. Your genetics. Your environment; time of year, etc.. And, of course, what works for you at what point in your journey. At least now we have the ideas of the complete spectrum to explore.
Algorithms don't think. They are told what to do. So in effect, you can tell them what to 'do' with anything: 'I need an algorithm to prove my hypothesis.' So I feed my algorithm information (somewhat) biased to what I need.
When people talk about grams or percentages of carbohydrates, they almost never specify "net" or "total" carbohydrates. This matters because fiber matters, in terms of energy one can utilize (and of course, not all fiber has the same effect.)
Net carbs were designed by marketing teams for packaged food makers to sell so-called "health" or "keto" foods. Counting net carbs instead of total carbs is just your way of allowing your body to eat more total carbs without the guilt. But in the end, you're still eating X amount of total carbs, which is all your body recognizes. Throwing fiber on poison or sugar doesn't negate the negative effects of the poison (sugar). Just like popping prylosec before pizza, junk food, or wheat products doesn't stop the destruction in the gut, but only masks the symptoms for a while.
I hear that date - early 1970’s - a lot, as being the beginning of the Atkins diet. But, I remember doing it in high school and I graduated from high school in 1969.
Maybe the carnivore community has found some brands that are palatable. Fifty years ago I lived briefly in the South and tried pork rinds. They smelled and tasted stale and old. Complete turnoff.
This was not only not as enjoyable as other interviews you do, but the thumbnail message of the video is still very confusing. Even after watching the whole thing. Why are whole foods unhelpful? This is not only inconsistent with the video (like when the doctor says that spinach, which is a whole food, is high on the satiety scale) but it’s just not factual to make the bogus claim. This video is inconsistent and confusing is many ways.
I think he's saying most important thing is to eat whole foods and it's ok to bring flexible in eating carbs but also include protein fiber and fat for satiety and keep the processed junk away. I just wouldn't eat nuts cause of omega 6. I'm okay with low oxalate grains, vegetable, fruits, seeds and beans personally. I wish I could tolerate higher total carbs and oxalate foods but need to fix my gut first.
What he’s referring to is that the fate of glucose (that insulin signals fat cells to take in) is fat storage. The glucose is converted to fat via lipogenesis. Whenever the availability of glucose exceeds the body’s current energy needs the only option is storage. Of course glucose is also taken up by muscle cells and the liver and stored as glycogen, but those storage areas get full as well. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease results from the liver being overloaded with glucose, a disease that was unheard of twenty years ago. Excessive intake of processed carbohydrates and sugary beverages is the culprit.
I downloaded the app and did the 3 month free subscription. It is not clear what the satiety score really means and where the optimal score should be for better health or for weight loss, muscle gain etc. It is nice for showing calorie/protein or nutrient breakdown but for me so far…. NOT clear about what overall daily score is optimal. It also is not clear on how you know if you are eating too much…. And no way to link to weight or glucose, etc.
There's two reasons why we get hungry: Low in energy and low in nutrition. The reason why people don't get hungry on kitogenic diet are because they never low in energy because they can use their fat storage VERY EFFICIENTLY 24 7. And they eat only high nutrition food especially nutrition they get from fat.
This is not inspiring or providing lucid guidance to an understandable diet/ lifestyle. Enfelt deserves kudos for his work in keto. Not convinced this is more helpful than confusing🧐
Opening line - "They (big food) - they do not have a choice - they have to chase profit" - morality or values are not a concern as long as you make $. That is what capitalism has become.
I think nuts can be okay in small quantities ideally finely chopped and sprinkled over salad, veg or yogurt i.e. like a dressing (tablespoon), other than that I would agree not helpful to weight loss, but they have some benefits in moderation.
The problem with too many nuts is the type of fats. Omega 6 fatty acids need to be balanced with omega 3 fatty acids. In moderation, they are a good food for a low carb diet.
Ya for me I have problems with oxalates which is a gut health problem. I'd be eating tons of a variety of beans and tofu, tiny bit of seed fats, lots of fiber, and fruit and local grown honey, if I wasn't sensitive to oxalates. With oxalates, I can only eat chickpeas, mung beans which I can't find, butter beans, cow peas. I'd prefer being vegan just because I want to be kinder to animals but harder to get in all the protein only because there's only those few beans/peas I can tolerate. The fake meats are junk food. But I also struggle to eat enough beans for protein maybe because of the protein on top of the fiber. Beans must be very high on the satiety list. I need to fix my gut. It's so bad. I think I may give up being vegan just to try to squeeze in more protein until I can heal my gut
@dprice81 There are countless animals and insects killed to grow crops. Crops ruin the earth by depleting the soil and digging it up. Animals enrich soil.
Thanks doctor your lecture relaxing i am mom 64 years from pakistan 🇵🇰 all my life obese and struggling weight loss please tell for aged peoples thanks 🙏
The shareholders always have a choice. They chose profits over health and now millions of consumers who believed the lies are paying for it with their health, their lives.
@DrAndreasEenfeldt nobody said it was charity. So you're saying it's OK to lie and make someone sick because they just gotta make a buck? Or share the wealth with their friends at Big Pharma who will step in with meds? These shareholders, Big Grain, Big Food and pharmas are corrupt and we all know it. No excuses. There are other ways to make money than at the expense of millions of lives.
Please tell me how low a low carb high fat diet is healthy when I'm a whole food plant based vegan with excellent labs. I have found no consistent studies that proves your contentions. It sounds too rigid and assumes all people will respond well in the long hall . I do agree that in the short run it works but I question the diet long term. There is plenty of protein in a vegan diet. Vegan fats such as avocado and nuts provide all I need. I do stay away from processed foods, salt, processed fats and sugar.
There's not enough complete protein in plants, hence the reason why vegans have such a low muscle mass. Just look at the vegan doctors such as Greger and mc Dougal. They suffer from sacropenia and look like skeletons. No modern human being in the history of planet earth has ever been vegan. Veganism is a religious cult.
@@SandyBayes, how many grams of protein do you get per day on average? With all the anti nutrients in plants, my whole food plant based diet was limited, and I found it very hard to get enough protein.
He is not advocating high fat. He advocates high protein, low fat. Humans need the amino acids from animal protein, that you cannot get from plants, for optimal health. You get all the nutrients you need from meat with zero antinutrients.
If I get my necessary protein needs and fat needs met there isn't any room left for any plant food. So there's no way that I personally could be healthy on a plant-based for a high-carbohydrate diet it's just not going to happen. When he reports that people lost more on the low-fat high-carbohydrate diet as opposed to the meat based high-fat diet he doesn't take into account the amount of muscle mass that was exchanged for fat. Sure they lost weight they lost muscle weight
While i myself am a proponent of low carb diets, and find that i can stay satiated easier than on a high carb low fat diet, that isn't what he said at all, and the fact all you have to look at the majority of bodybuilders of the 80's and 90's who were low-fat proponents and ripped, plus you say your protein and fat needs, the reality is a person has an essential fatty acid need, which is quite low, and a person could easily eat high protein and carb and low fat and meet those needs. Just because you personally don't like or want to follow that diet doesn't make it true. Also, there are several groups that are hunter-gatherers still that are very high carb low fat, but again they aren't vegan.of course and they are incredibly healthy. But again they are real food
I've done both extremes. High carb low fat gave me the most energy, lowest weight, and best mental health because carbohydrates lower cortisol. And working out creates more cortisol. With eating a zero caffeine keto diet, I lost my energy and couldn't really get out of bed most of the time and felt suicidal over time. Right now whatever gut infections I have, having a ton of carbs makes me feel worse so I think I'm going to be forced to do more of a keto diet and see if I can heal my gut somehow
@@dprice81 How about a high veggie, increased protein diet that's low in fat. That's what is working for me, and with berberine, gives me peace around food. Higher fat drove up my cholesterol toooo high and didn't really feel great in my body while promoting cravings.
@@Lisa-my5sy It definitely has some pluses as well! Spinach got rid of my mild acne when I was in my 20s and made my skin glow. I would make green smoothies and would throw in big handfuls of baby spinach. 💚
@@Lisa-my5syI think before you say that you have to investigate. That creates kidney stones on some people and causes a lot of inflammation if you are sensitive to that. Watch Sally Norton story!
This sounds like the primal diet. I fear this will make people scared of food. Idk about this one... will keep listening to the video though... may ne interesting
I admit to being a little disappointed in doctor Eenfelt because low-carb living is the only way for some people to lose weight. I don't care if he thinks you can be thin on a low-carb diet it won't work for me, and it won't work for millions of us, but one thing that always works is a low carb diet.To see him "moderate" his stance on low-carb eating seems a bit odd as though he's throwing in the towel by not agreeing with his own basic premise when originally he was spot-on and it was true. Nothing works for most people like a ketogenic diet. Many poeple under eat protein as Gabrielle knows well. So yes you can lose weight on a high carb diet, but if you prioritize for protein intake, and get the nessary fat that we need, there is NO WAY that cam happen on a " High Carb diet". To my mind he was more "science based" before his current incarnation.
I am not disappointment, he is just rethinking the premises of low carb diets based on new evidence, just like any reasonable doctor or scientist would. If you look at the study he mentioned =DIETFITS study by Dr C. Gardner on JAMA- the protein intake was essentially the same ( 21% vs 23%) in the two randomized groups.The study simply demonstrated that both approach worked over 12 months. As a scientist/ doctor it would be foolish not to take note of it. Ultimately on an individual basis, there will be some people doing better with one approach vs the other.
You keep making absolute statements where you state " NO WAY" that can happen on a high carb diet, but there are countless examples for decades of people following high carb diets and succeeding! I mentioned before that i actually prefer a low carb diet myself, but you are the one denying " science". People turn all of this into a religion when you turn this into a religion or an identity instead of a tool in a toolbox, and adapt what is useful oftentimes people aren't going to have the health benefits that they could accomplish
More than 80% of people in bikini and body building competitions are always on high carb low fat So it’s 100% possible to be even super lean with high carb You can also get fat with keto diet overeating fat and lower protein!(i did)
Be careful in getting to lean in your 40’s. despite what these so called experts say, getting to lean is not good for you and only puts extra added-stress on your body which also makes you look much older. For optimal health or males 15-17% body fat and females 20-30%. As we get older the body stores more fat for a reason, this is for survival. Don’t full yourselfs in believing it’s healthy being to lean. End of the day, do what you like
Provide the evidence! The reality no one needs to get bodybuild contest shape lean, but being lean has measurable health benefits including making one more insulin sensitive
I’m getting tired of this he is trying to find a way to make people happy which means you will finally lead to eating foods that stop you from noticing your satiety. You will die just eating spinach. I can’t listen any more.
Only short term in one -95 study (Holt) out of a modest number of tested items. They measured 2 hours and I believe that undervalues the long-term benefit of higher protein foods.
If you are starving, maybe! But I defy anyone to find potatoes pleasant to eat without the addition of milk, butter, cheese, bacon, or meaty gravy! Or at least salt.
When he says there's no conspiracy, that's not exactly true. Food scientists also attempt to addict people to unsatisfying food, as part of how they sell more. They don't tell the customer they're doing this. They even claim they're healthy sometimes.
Conspiracies are all around us everywhere there is a profit to be made by lies. Regardless of the harm to humans. Power and money are the factors NOT heathyness to rob them! Research and do what makes your body feel right for YOU!
everybody lies/distorts/exaggerates to sell more product. it's not a conspiracy. it's a business model. toothpaste, Girl Scout Cookies, autos, plastic surgery, elections, megachurches, etc. basically every human endeavor.
People in Asia do eat more carbs in the form of noodles and rice but these carbs arent unlimited. They also eat lots of fish, beef and vegetables to go with their rice and noodles. They typically don't eat much sugar, sweets or junk food. They have a strong family and community structure, do lots of walking, meditation and even tia chi or martial arts. But those same Asians who come here, to the US, away from family, eat our processed foods, GMO grains, sweets, drive more, walk less and stop meditation, gain weight and develop diabetes.
Yup. Lifestyle matters.
Yes my mom is always confused about how she could eat so much rice in the Philippines but not here. Then she tells me she was walking miles in the heat to go get the ingredients for that same meal lol
right on, right on, right on.
His only point was that carbohydrates aren’t bad. And every slain population got the bulk of their calories from starch so just stop.
@usernameryan5982 um no. You don't have to explain his point to me dude. You stop. Go back and read what I said again. And BTW, there are no essential carbs. They are just cheap filler foods. If you have any health issues, it's best to keep carb intake low or avoid them all together, especially inflammatory grains!!
I love Dr Eenfeldt and you, too, and I’m happy to see these videos with the two of you discussing this important info.
Love Andreas and really appreciate that he is not dogmatic. Just joined Hava
Thank you! 🙏
Love Dr E … I love how he changes his views based on science not dogma ❤
Thank you Heidi! The goal is to become less wrong as quickly as possible. That's the scientific method, and it's pretty awesome. It can lead to rapid progress when done well. The nutrition field is ripe with dogma so there's great potential for advancement.
WHEN YOU CALL A DONUT A CARB FOOD THAT IS BIAS NOT SCIENCE DONUTS HAVE PLENTY OF REFINED FATS EVEN WORSE SO CALLED LOW CARB SCIENTISTS REER TO POTATO CHIPS AS A HIGH CARB FOOD. 60 PERCENT OF THE CALORIES IN POTATO CHIPS ARE FAT CALORIES
Dr Eenfeldt always a favorite to listen to on podcasts.
So weight loss aside.....there's also the issue of inflammation. Low carb and Keto diets have a good track record of reducing inflammation but do low processed high carb diets also have the same effect? Also some people with chronic fatigue have their energy levels restored by Keto style diets as the energy pathway is quite different.
Exactly! Not always just about weight!
I am so thankful to here this. I ate only whole food for years, never achieved my goal of losing fat and gaining muscle.
I felt always starving so ive ate more vegetables and nuts too much. I am starting to eat meats after watching your channel and im seeing results so fast. Thank you again ❤ I really appreciate your channel
@@Marie… yes! I ate whole food plant foods for years and wasn’t thriving. Recently went carnivore!
Update: Dec 2023, now I’m ketovore (still mostly carnivore) and following Stephanie Person.
meat is also a whole food! Keep on eating whole foods! I am eating more protein now and it does help to lose weight. However, I don't like meat that much so it's a challenge. Fish is great, a little hamburger but I honestly don't even like chicken lately - and I just eat organic or grass fed
I like this because it’s sensible. Humans are adaptable and couldn’t have evolved or survived if we couldn’t use a variety of foods. Thriving is another matter, and eating whole foods as much as possible is probably important to thrive and avoid disease.
Definitely.
@@DrAndreasEenfeldtThere are so many ancient cultures who ate grains, dairy and beans/legumes and lived till 90’s or more. Why are we struggling so much with what to eat (saying only keto is best?) and avoid (saying whole clean natural carbs are so bad?) and reinventing such an age old wheel? Not sure why there are so many changes in foods to eat and avoid , is it simply due to our toxic environments and lifestyles with technological advances? Sigh!
@@goodhealth3020 Agreed. I can't do keto either - horrible muscle cramps that are only aleviated with upping the carbs - not high but not keto either.
Congratulations Dr Lyon, you're amongst the rare diet thought leaders and authors to ask the alcohol question. Too many authors and speakers totally ignore it as if it does not exist. It is how a high % of adults self-medicate at the end of the day.
The whole satiety area is fascinating as it is so nuanced. People could categorise foods as "appetite-stimulating" versus "appetite-calming". Comparing 3 low satiety foods (cream, butter and macadamias), the macadamias would be appetite-simulating (for many people) and so those people are better off no having them in their food environments (home, work & travel).
It's a pity you did not get into the benefit of strength training during weight loss and beyond, but save that for interview 2.
Another question is the role of a coach for guidance and accountability. We have a program where people are coached weekly for 15 minutes for at least 12 months. Habit change takes a lot longer than most believe.
@@MajesticArtimus
Don’t forget sugar. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease is epidemic even among children.
Sounds
@@stroys7061I think the point is that Alcohol is pretty much all sugar 🤷♀️
@@MajesticArtimus
Sugar, high fructose corn syrup, and processed grains
Many blue zones people make their own wine such as the Sardinians and Ikarians. And the diet is mostly plant based.
Interesting, that study 19 mins for me suggests you can lose weight anyway. But he didn’t talk about any other health factors so you can’t assume both diets make you healthy.
Very informative. Mind blowing in fact. People who are open minded will totally get the message. Thanks to both doctors.❤
Thank you!
@@DrGabrielleLyon i searched your site for: minkoff or eea or aau and came up with no results. Would like to see you interview Dr David Minkoff
Sounds like Dr Ted Naiman was right. I feel Dr Eenfeldt is describing his diet pretty closely.
All bodies do not process food the same. Metabolism is pretty complex, therefore there is no one diet that fits all.
The one uniform reality is that all ultra-processed, high carb foods are not healthy. Body weight is not the only marker for good health.
Start with a healthy baseline and adjust amount of protein, healthy fats, and healthy carbs as needed over time.
I don’t understand why some or many say protein is the most satiating of the macros. I find pure fat to be the absolute most satiating. I can eat a whole lot more protein than I can fat! 🤷♀️
Same here!! Eating more fat was the first time I ever knew when to stop eating. In the past I always had to force myself to stop and I’d keep picking as i was cleaning up. But with more fat I would be unmistakably done - and I’d feel great after a meal (not too full) with really good energy
To me it is peanut butter. I could eat other proteins but....I always end up with straight from the jar PB ( or other nut butter for the matter).
@@dixonhousewhat foods specifically turn off your hunger?
Fat is dense energy food, when you eat fat to satiety, you ll find that you have accumulated too many calories.
Most people assume that fat disappears in the body, not true, it still raises basal insulin.
Check out Ted Naiman.
Because it is the macronutrient that takes the longest to leave your stomach.
Spinach is extremely high in Oxalates.
YES
Is that bad?
So?
show me one healthy traditional high carb eating society that doesn't spend most of their day being active on their feet working??
so you're saying that healthy carbs are okay for active people? got it.
Good point.
@@chuckleezodiac24 Even Atkins said that.
I was thoroughly captivated by this discussion and am very eager to see and test iut this satiety app.
I am curious what this doctor thinks about high oxalate foods since he is recommending people eat spinach.
Yes, we know oxalates are bad especially if you have autoimune disease or no Thyroid or other organs. Ignore and do what is good for YOU.
@@augustgphs I think it is unfortunate that many people are unaware of the harm oxalates can and do cause and will follow this advice thinking they are eating a healthy food. I should know as I was one of those, up until a few months ago.
@@augustgphs " In fact, it is recommended to include many oxalate-containing plant foods in the diet as evidence suggests that these foods play a vital role in disease prevention. However, those who experience frequent oxalate kidney stones or have certain genetic and digestive disorders may want to speak with a physician and registered dietitian for guidance on treatment, which may include appropriately monitoring oxalate consumption"
@@cinuk only weaklings can't handle oxalates. like Sally Norton. poor thing is allergic to everything and wants the rest of the world to stop eating things that bother her.
@@catcan221It's such a pity because there are very few foods that are crazy high in oxalates and spinach is one of them. There are a ton of greens that could be used instead. Also the huge increase in the use of almond flour and almond milk as a low carb alternative to regular flour is highly problematic since it makes the oxalates in almonds a lot more bioavailable
What if you hit your protein goals and not your energy goals, which leads to lower daily calories routinely? Will that reduce your BMR over time so that should be avoided and try to hit your calorie goal as well to protect your thyroid and hormones?
I had heard of HAVA before this. It’s a really fascinating interview. I think what he says about lack of satiety in nuts and some dairy- and some of our inability to get enough of these… wow… this made so much sense. I was vegan most of my life and craved protein for decades. I would eat so many nuts!! Then when I added animal products almost 3 years ago (first eggs from my own hens and 1.5 later fish… and finally a meat/fat diet to treat cancer… Paleomedicina’s PKD diet)… well I started to experience actual satiety!! I broke my veganism with salmon and I felt better than I’ve ever felt. Salmon still makes me feel that way. Eggs and ruminant meat also feel really good. So there is a point to my comment… just that I started with high veggie Keto, then switched to PKD meat & fat diet. I felt exhausted (probably a lot of stress contributed) during this 8+ months of meat/fat PKD diet. I want to stay in therapeutic ketosis as much as possible to prevent cancer from returning. But I want to also just feel better and stronger. I have a very active job. I feel like my muscles and energy can’t keep up. I’ve seen many of your videos recently and other RUclipsrs talking about starting with 1 gram of protein per pound ideal body weight. I’m on my 4th day of this and it really is incredibly satiating!! I also thinks it’s fascinating and hopeful to think that I could potentially play with my macros and add some carbs down the line. It might be a few years as I want to keep cancer away. But it’s something to look forward to🙏🏽 I wonder why do you say that less active people need MORE protein? (That’s counter intuitive !). And last question… two meals a day works best in my schedule. Is there anything wrong with 100g protein at one meal? I’m shooting for 150 and usually get 50-60 for breakfast and 90-100 for dinner. Thanks 🙏🏽
I do 2MAD, but I ensure that I eat a bigger % of protein in my 1st meal than I do in my second, basically 60 / 40 as a percentage.
According to Dr Donald Layman, Dr Gabrielle Lyon mentor the 1st protein intake is key as that is the longest time you'd be in a catabolic state and the body will be that much more receptive for protein.
Caveats apply.
@@Sarah, I’d check out Stephanie Person. She has been doing a high fat keto diet for 16 years and has worked with thousands of clients, and she values what she has _seen_ in her clients over studies, because sadly, not all studies are accurate, and many are based on profit. :(
She says women should get 75 grams of protein daily or less (no more than 20-25 per meal or it may spike your blood sugar), and at least 200 grams daily of fat. She achieves this by adding lots of butter to her 3-4 meals.
Not only is high fat great for fighting cancer, but it’s also very healing for the body-especially for the adrenals, thyroid and balancing hormones.
Best to you in figuring out your journey. ❤
love the channel. thank you.
Thank god I found your channel I couldn’t watch that video where that guy keeps interrupt you
I must be misunderstanding what the word “satiety” means … he gave butter as an example of a whole food that isn’t necessarily satiating. If I have a couple table spoons of butter, I’m set for many hours - zero hunger. What am I missing?
Butter gives a lot of satiety but even more calories. Satiety per calorie is pretty low, unfortunately (spoken as someone who used to be a believer in high-fat nutrition).
@@DrAndreasEenfeldt aha, understood! Thanks for the response.
ur wierd.
Depends where you are starting from. Your genetics. Your environment; time of year, etc.. And, of course, what works for you at what point in your journey. At least now we have the ideas of the complete spectrum to explore.
Algorithms don't think. They are told what to do.
So in effect, you can tell them what to 'do' with anything:
'I need an algorithm to prove my hypothesis.'
So I feed my algorithm information (somewhat) biased to what I need.
When people talk about grams or percentages of carbohydrates, they almost never specify "net" or "total" carbohydrates. This matters because fiber matters, in terms of energy one can utilize (and of course, not all fiber has the same effect.)
Net carbs were designed by marketing teams for packaged food makers to sell so-called "health" or "keto" foods. Counting net carbs instead of total carbs is just your way of allowing your body to eat more total carbs without the guilt. But in the end, you're still eating X amount of total carbs, which is all your body recognizes. Throwing fiber on poison or sugar doesn't negate the negative effects of the poison (sugar). Just like popping prylosec before pizza, junk food, or wheat products doesn't stop the destruction in the gut, but only masks the symptoms for a while.
I hear that date - early 1970’s - a lot, as being the beginning of the Atkins diet. But, I remember doing it in high school and I graduated from high school in 1969.
59:00 Brilliant interview
Pork rinds, Ultraprocessed? Love em! Seem to be self limiting unlike Chips. 🙏🏻👹
Agreed- as long as no MSG and preservatives. Harder to find but it’s j the shelves. Much healthier than carbs fried in seed oil.
too bad they're gross.
Maybe the carnivore community has found some brands that are palatable. Fifty years ago I lived briefly in the South and tried pork rinds. They smelled and tasted stale and old. Complete turnoff.
@@margomoore4527 "to each thon: " Picky eater?🏊🏻🏋🏻🧨
This was not only not as enjoyable as other interviews you do, but the thumbnail message of the video is still very confusing. Even after watching the whole thing. Why are whole foods unhelpful? This is not only inconsistent with the video (like when the doctor says that spinach, which is a whole food, is high on the satiety scale) but it’s just not factual to make the bogus claim.
This video is inconsistent and confusing is many ways.
Agree. Not a good interview. Confusing.
I think he's saying most important thing is to eat whole foods and it's ok to bring flexible in eating carbs but also include protein fiber and fat for satiety and keep the processed junk away. I just wouldn't eat nuts cause of omega 6.
I'm okay with low oxalate grains, vegetable, fruits, seeds and beans personally. I wish I could tolerate higher total carbs and oxalate foods but need to fix my gut first.
What he is saying is that just because a food is unprocessed does not mean its good for you and that not all proccessed foods are bad.
Insulin as defined in the literature is a regulatory hormone. Not a “fat storage” hormone as stated in this pod
What he’s referring to is that the fate of glucose (that insulin signals fat cells to take in) is fat storage. The glucose is converted to fat via lipogenesis. Whenever the availability of glucose exceeds the body’s current energy needs the only option is storage. Of course glucose is also taken up by muscle cells and the liver and stored as glycogen, but those storage areas get full as well. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease results from the liver being overloaded with glucose, a disease that was unheard of twenty years ago. Excessive intake of processed carbohydrates and sugary beverages is the culprit.
Excellent info❤
I downloaded the app and did the 3 month free subscription. It is not clear what the satiety score really means and where the optimal score should be for better health or for weight loss, muscle gain etc. It is nice for showing calorie/protein or nutrient breakdown but for me so far…. NOT clear about what overall daily score is optimal. It also is not clear on how you know if you are eating too much…. And no way to link to weight or glucose, etc.
There's two reasons why we get hungry: Low in energy and low in nutrition. The reason why people don't get hungry on kitogenic diet are because they never low in energy because they can use their fat storage VERY EFFICIENTLY 24 7. And they eat only high nutrition food especially nutrition they get from fat.
helpful video 😍
This is not inspiring or providing lucid guidance to an understandable diet/ lifestyle. Enfelt deserves kudos for his work in keto. Not convinced this is more helpful than confusing🧐
Very interesting Xx
Opening line - "They (big food) - they do not have a choice - they have to chase profit" - morality or values are not a concern as long as you make $. That is what capitalism has become.
I think nuts can be okay in small quantities ideally finely chopped and sprinkled over salad, veg or yogurt i.e. like a dressing (tablespoon), other than that I would agree not helpful to weight loss, but they have some benefits in moderation.
nuts? okay in small quantities? finely chopped? sprinkled? like a dressing? moderation? obviously, you don't know me!
Doc.. we could absolutely edit your info’s better..
The problem with too many nuts is the type of fats. Omega 6 fatty acids need to be balanced with omega 3 fatty acids. In moderation, they are a good food for a low carb diet.
Ya for me I have problems with oxalates which is a gut health problem. I'd be eating tons of a variety of beans and tofu, tiny bit of seed fats, lots of fiber, and fruit and local grown honey, if I wasn't sensitive to oxalates. With oxalates, I can only eat chickpeas, mung beans which I can't find, butter beans, cow peas. I'd prefer being vegan just because I want to be kinder to animals but harder to get in all the protein only because there's only those few beans/peas I can tolerate. The fake meats are junk food. But I also struggle to eat enough beans for protein maybe because of the protein on top of the fiber. Beans must be very high on the satiety list. I need to fix my gut. It's so bad. I think I may give up being vegan just to try to squeeze in more protein until I can heal my gut
Macadamia and coconut oil has 1-4% omega6.
Olive, Palm & Avo +/- 12%.
@dprice81
There are countless animals and insects killed to grow crops. Crops ruin the earth by depleting the soil and digging it up. Animals enrich soil.
This was a slower and more difficult interview to watch and listen to.
I totally agree, I can't follow this and feel it's a waste of time 😕
Thanks doctor your lecture relaxing i am mom 64 years from pakistan 🇵🇰 all my life obese and struggling weight loss please tell for aged peoples thanks 🙏
The shareholders always have a choice. They chose profits over health and now millions of consumers who believed the lies are paying for it with their health, their lives.
Shareholders want a return on their investment, or they will go elsewhere. It's not charity.
@DrAndreasEenfeldt nobody said it was charity. So you're saying it's OK to lie and make someone sick because they just gotta make a buck? Or share the wealth with their friends at Big Pharma who will step in with meds? These shareholders, Big Grain, Big Food and pharmas are corrupt and we all know it. No excuses. There are other ways to make money than at the expense of millions of lives.
@@missygee6155 No, I'm not saying it OK to lie etc., watch the video that's the topic.
@@missy, I agree with you. Putting profits above doing what’s right is evil. It’s the opposite of what love does.
Please tell me how low a low carb high fat diet is healthy when I'm a whole food plant based vegan with excellent labs. I have found no consistent studies that proves your contentions. It sounds too rigid and assumes all people will respond well in the long hall . I do agree that in the short run it works but I question the diet long term. There is plenty of protein in a vegan diet. Vegan fats such as avocado and nuts provide all I need. I do stay away from processed foods, salt, processed fats and sugar.
There's not enough complete protein in plants, hence the reason why vegans have such a low muscle mass. Just look at the vegan doctors such as Greger and mc Dougal. They suffer from sacropenia and look like skeletons. No modern human being in the history of planet earth has ever been vegan. Veganism is a religious cult.
@@SandyBayes, how many grams of protein do you get per day on average?
With all the anti nutrients in plants, my whole food plant based diet was limited, and I found it very hard to get enough protein.
He is not advocating high fat. He advocates high protein, low fat. Humans need the amino acids from animal protein, that you cannot get from plants, for optimal health. You get all the nutrients you need from meat with zero antinutrients.
Veganism isn't just an eating disorder, it is also a mental disorder.
If I get my necessary protein needs and fat needs met there isn't any room left for any plant food. So there's no way that I personally could be healthy on a plant-based for a high-carbohydrate diet it's just not going to happen. When he reports that people lost more on the low-fat high-carbohydrate diet as opposed to the meat based high-fat diet he doesn't take into account the amount of muscle mass that was exchanged for fat. Sure they lost weight they lost muscle weight
While i myself am a proponent of low carb diets, and find that i can stay satiated easier than on a high carb low fat diet, that isn't what he said at all, and the fact all you have to look at the majority of bodybuilders of the 80's and 90's who were low-fat proponents and ripped, plus you say your protein and fat needs, the reality is a person has an essential fatty acid need, which is quite low, and a person could easily eat high protein and carb and low fat and meet those needs. Just because you personally don't like or want to follow that diet doesn't make it true. Also, there are several groups that are hunter-gatherers still that are very high carb low fat, but again they aren't vegan.of course and they are incredibly healthy. But again they are real food
I've done both extremes. High carb low fat gave me the most energy, lowest weight, and best mental health because carbohydrates lower cortisol. And working out creates more cortisol. With eating a zero caffeine keto diet, I lost my energy and couldn't really get out of bed most of the time and felt suicidal over time. Right now whatever gut infections I have, having a ton of carbs makes me feel worse so I think I'm going to be forced to do more of a keto diet and see if I can heal my gut somehow
@@dprice81
Fasting, bone broth, fermented foods.
@@dprice81
Sorry to hear that. :/ You might also look into histamine intolerance. I hope you get better!
@@dprice81 How about a high veggie, increased protein diet that's low in fat. That's what is working for me, and with berberine, gives me peace around food. Higher fat drove up my cholesterol toooo high and didn't really feel great in my body while promoting cravings.
Carnivore is very simple. Eat the meat and its fat. Eggs and dairy, too. I have been doing this for years.
Good stuff
Really what is more simple than eating only meat?
simple solutions for simple minds. that's my motto!
❤GO KETO/CARNIVORE/INTERMITTENT FASTING❤
This 💯
I wonder what he thinks about carnivore. It’s 70/30 or 80/20
@@jamesatkinson5805omg yes the butter chuggers🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He obviously would not agree with that F/P ratio. He advocates high protein low fat.
Low carb diets work in the short term but not in the long term. There are no low carb centenarians. Why is that?
Sounds complicated, just eat meat and eggs
And spinach - that scored 100.
@@ironmurs6903
Spinach is incredibly high in oxalates, which can be a major problem for some, so just be careful with that. 💚
@@PeaceIsYeshua nobody has a problem with spinach stop it
@@Lisa-my5sy
It definitely has some pluses as well! Spinach got rid of my mild acne when I was in my 20s and made my skin glow. I would make green smoothies and would throw in big handfuls of baby spinach. 💚
@@Lisa-my5syI think before you say that you have to investigate. That creates kidney stones on some people and causes a lot of inflammation if you are sensitive to that. Watch Sally Norton story!
What is with the annoying zoom in zoom out zoom in zoom out I watches 2 minutes and stopped. Get a clue on how to edit videos.
Chewing your food has to be part of it. Like if eat bite of icecream you chewed it at least 40 times, it probably wouldnt be as bad
Who the hell wants to do that? 😉
This sounds like the primal diet. I fear this will make people scared of food. Idk about this one... will keep listening to the video though... may ne interesting
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I admit to being a little disappointed in doctor Eenfelt because low-carb living is the only way for some people to lose weight. I don't care if he thinks you can be thin on a low-carb diet it won't work for me, and it won't work for millions of us, but one thing that always works is a low carb diet.To see him "moderate" his stance on low-carb eating seems a bit odd as though he's throwing in the towel by not agreeing with his own basic premise when originally he was spot-on and it was true. Nothing works for most people like a ketogenic diet.
Many poeple under eat protein as Gabrielle knows well. So yes you can lose weight on a high carb diet, but if you prioritize for protein intake, and get the nessary fat that we need, there is NO WAY that cam happen on a " High Carb diet". To my mind he was more "science based" before his current incarnation.
I am not disappointment, he is just rethinking the premises of low carb diets based on new evidence, just like any reasonable doctor or scientist would. If you look at the study he mentioned =DIETFITS study by Dr C. Gardner on JAMA- the protein intake was essentially the same ( 21% vs 23%) in the two randomized groups.The study simply demonstrated that both approach worked over 12 months. As a scientist/ doctor it would be foolish not to take note of it. Ultimately on an individual basis, there will be some people doing better with one approach vs the other.
You keep making absolute statements where you state " NO WAY" that can happen on a high carb diet, but there are countless examples for decades of people following high carb diets and succeeding! I mentioned before that i actually prefer a low carb diet myself, but you are the one denying " science". People turn all of this into a religion when you turn this into a religion or an identity instead of a tool in a toolbox, and adapt what is useful oftentimes people aren't going to have the health benefits that they could accomplish
Spot on
More than 80% of people in bikini and body building competitions are always on high carb low fat
So it’s 100% possible to be even super lean with high carb
You can also get fat with keto diet overeating fat and lower protein!(i did)
@@cyclamen831 Exactly we need to update our views based on new evidence.
yes no one "conspired' to sell the public toxic trash. you don't want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist.😏😏😏
😳Ganja Ma! 🙏
So what's so bad about high protein pancakes with blueberries?😊
What are high protein pancakes made from? Do they contain grains? Do they include starch?
Krusteaz protein pancake mix.
Fried Eggs and Bacon sounds like a cancer causing diet to me. Definitely not in the longevity lifestyle category but obviously not a worry for many.
You've been completely brainwashed into believing that.
Be careful in getting to lean in your 40’s. despite what these so called experts say, getting to lean is not good for you and only puts extra added-stress on your body which also makes you look much older. For optimal health or males 15-17% body fat and females 20-30%. As we get older the body stores more fat for a reason, this is for survival. Don’t full yourselfs in believing it’s healthy being to lean. End of the day, do what you like
Provide the evidence! The reality no one needs to get bodybuild contest shape lean, but being lean has measurable health benefits including making one more insulin sensitive
I’m inclined to agree with this story-women should carry 20-30% body fat. Physician, heal thyself!
I think you guys are getting it wrong, you are going full circle. Now no one can understand whats healthy
Have they ever done studies of fecal transplants from fat people to thin people?
bears?
oh my
This is a business
I start my day with up to 10 eggs. I have a steak in the afternoon 😊 it works wonders
Lentilss? 🙏🏻🏋🏻👹
Lectins.
Doctor don’t tell hool wheat
The moment I heard superfood at 1:28 I was out.
humanshavetheabi
I’m getting tired of this he is trying to find a way to make people happy which means you will finally lead to eating foods that stop you from noticing your satiety.
You will die just eating spinach. I can’t listen any more.
Isn't potato the most satiating food on the planet?
Lol, NO !
Only short term in one -95 study (Holt) out of a modest number of tested items. They measured 2 hours and I believe that undervalues the long-term benefit of higher protein foods.
Gotta isolate the potato. No butter, etc.
If you are starving, maybe! But I defy anyone to find potatoes pleasant to eat without the addition of milk, butter, cheese, bacon, or meaty gravy! Or at least salt.
This guy sounds confused "whole foods don't help" ... Where is the evidence? No science with him. Dr. Gabrielle is so pretty. Is she trans?
Having born 2 or 3 kids, seems unlikely.