Who is Metatron: SMT Lore

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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    In today's shin megami tensei lore video we will be talking about one of my favorite demons, the metatron. A request from the fans and something I really wanted to cover in the smt lore series. The Metatron is an enigmatic figure and fan favorite of the shin megami tensei series. The angels of shin megami tensei are vast in their design and purpose, with Metatron as one of the most important of the archangels. In shin megami tensei metatron plays an important role as mouthpiece for and even representative for YHVH and subtly guides the player throughout their journey. While most people don't give metatron a second thought as they go through smt games he is very important to smt lore as a whole. With his addition in smt v and him having some interesting implication for shin megami tensei v lore I thought it was a good idea to talk a little bit about the metatron. The metatron lore goes back thousands of years and took a while to compile and present, but I hope I did shin megami tensei writing team proud. From fire of sinai to his voice lines in the shin megami tensei games show his power in the realm of yhvh. Of all the angels in shin megami tensei the metatron is the most important and the most powerful. For those looking to know more about shin megami tensei and smt lore in general I hope I can scratch that itch for you.
    The metatron, or the voice of God is a figure depicted in almost every Shin Megami Tensei game as YHVH’s head messenger and highest of the archangels. Despite his importance, not many people know of the lore behind him. Each of the archangels have the unanimous task of serving God and bringing about his will, but some are better suited to tasks than others. Michael the warrior angel is fated to overcome Lucifer in the book of revelations, and Gabriel prophesying Jesus’s birth from Mary via immaculate conception. Little is known about the other archangels for certain, but from my research I have a good idea who Metatron is.

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  • @anlize3422
    @anlize3422 2 года назад +603

    One could argue that Metraton and Sandalphon "metalic" looks might indicate they are "artificial" angels because of their human origin. Other than that, I can't see much reason to differentiate those two from the others so much.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +118

      Ah that is a great theory! I can completely see that being the inspiration for them

    • @sketch-eee4165
      @sketch-eee4165 2 года назад +80

      It could also be a theme around how the angel's are so obedient to the God in smt that they are basically just automatons.

    • @ecgameplayer
      @ecgameplayer 2 года назад +10

      Dude, that is deep...

    • @souit957
      @souit957 2 года назад +40

      @@Tony4You I dont think its so complex. Metatron sounds like a robots name

    • @aleaiactaest6503
      @aleaiactaest6503 2 года назад +60

      Or because the -tron suffix would be perfect for a robotic angel

  • @matthewpopow6647
    @matthewpopow6647 2 года назад +720

    I love how sometimes biblical arguments can sound like nerds fighting about star wars. "NO, THATS NON CANNON!"

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +163

      LOL yeah whether it's media or religion, no one can agree on anything

    • @kittykattzee
      @kittykattzee 2 года назад +86

      You mean Star Wars arguments sounds like biblical nerds fighting over scriptures. These people have been arguing over what’s canon when the Roman Empire was still a thing lol.

    • @ohamatchhams
      @ohamatchhams 2 года назад +35

      It's because the term Canon was originally coined by Nicene Christian councils to determine Mainstream Christianity of Catholicism or Orthodox denominations (Not just of Nicaea but it's the famous one for determining Arianism status) for acknowledgement to Western European public, including uniformity of their beliefs while also acknowledged by Roman Empire

    • @nestar2009
      @nestar2009 2 года назад +18

      @@ohamatchhams you're right first time I heard the word Canon was in catholic church

    • @goroakechi6126
      @goroakechi6126 2 года назад +12

      The only difference is that Star Wars fans don’t kill off people who don’t believe in their version of canon.
      Friendly reminder that Pope Innocent III killed off an entire group of Gnostic (Christian) faith-

  • @GundiMike
    @GundiMike 2 года назад +105

    Everybody knows Metatron is the leader of the decepticons.

  • @elfiebranford9330
    @elfiebranford9330 2 года назад +240

    Considering the actual relationship between Metatron and Sandalphon, I'm almost surprised we haven't had more MegaTen games or even just moments featuring the two together in some capacity--be it as allies or rivals. Plus, both of them share a metallic look, but have contrasting colours; Metatron is Silver, while Sandalphon is Gold. Maybe I'm just being a bit too hopeful, but I really, really, REALLY hope we can see more of these two together in the future.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +22

      That would be awesome yeah. Something capitalizing on their similar origin and authority in heaven would be very interesting

    • @cubically9366
      @cubically9366 6 месяцев назад +1

      Know 2 years later but, SMT Vengeance seems to have fusion attacks, That means there is a chance, Sandalphon and Metatron are going to have one together.

    • @gottesurteil3201
      @gottesurteil3201 2 месяца назад

      ​@@cubically9366they do!

  • @patrinizer346
    @patrinizer346 Год назад +48

    Sandalphon: "Make new friends, but keep the old. One is Silver...
    Metatron: ...And one is Gold."

    • @farawaytales4396
      @farawaytales4396 6 месяцев назад +1

      That line was pure GOLD(pun intended!)

  • @thedanielstraight
    @thedanielstraight 2 года назад +185

    I've been fascinated by Metatron ever since I saw him in SMT3. My neighbor is a theology professor, so I went over and borrowed every book she has on Enoch and Metatron. I recommend anyone interested should play El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron on PS3/360. The game is great and has spectacular art direction. Thank you for making a video on Metatron, Tony!

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +26

      Wow that's great I got people to dive more into research! I hope my vid is theology professor approved lol

    • @JoeyLamontagne
      @JoeyLamontagne 2 года назад +10

      Funny you mentioned El Shaddai, as that’s actually a boss in SMT 2

    • @thedanielstraight
      @thedanielstraight 2 года назад +7

      @@JoeyLamontagne I had no idea, I just had to look them/it up. It's a cool design, I think. I'm pure neutral with chaotic tendencies/leanings, so it looks like he's my boss, haha.

  • @cheesepuffsthings
    @cheesepuffsthings 2 года назад +163

    Metatron is one of my absolute favorite demons, but for personal reasons rather than just design or lore. You see, I played SMT Imagine back when it was managed under Aeria Games before its switch to Atlus' short-lived online games branch. I befriended this one dude who was clearly a very devout Christian. He put up with my own issues and idiosyncrasies I had at the time, so I easily switched to Law from the initial Chaos run I was doing (which I was admittedly only doing to get Surt over Raphael) to play alongside him.
    Aeria tended to run promotional giveaways where if you spent X-amount of money you could get awards. One of them was a giveaway of high-level demons such as Astaroth, Metatron, and the four Riders. He apparently earned this one but already had Metatron from the in-game method (which was hard as all get-out) so he managed to somehow convince management to give me his. Even starting out with only its base skills, that Metatron was like a nuclear warhead to a mid-level player like me. Good times.
    Apologies for rambling about things ultimately unrelated to the video. You've done great job and I learned quite a bit about one of my favorite Heralds.

    • @clownworld3382
      @clownworld3382 2 года назад +4

      Cool story dude. How is your Christian friend doing ?

    • @cpl.targrein1793
      @cpl.targrein1793 2 года назад +4

      Hah, that's great. Are you still in touch?

    • @cheesepuffsthings
      @cheesepuffsthings 2 года назад +5

      @@cpl.targrein1793 Unfortunately not. Lost track when the game switched servers to Atlus and that wiped all contact data from the game.

    • @cpl.targrein1793
      @cpl.targrein1793 2 года назад +6

      @@cheesepuffsthings that sucks. Hope he is doing OK.

    • @cheesepuffsthings
      @cheesepuffsthings 2 года назад +1

      @@cpl.targrein1793 I do too. He probably just decided to quit after the server switch. The game itself didn't last too much longer either. It apparently continued for some time in JP, but the English servers were dropped by Atlus like a hot potato.

  • @TheSwordsman100
    @TheSwordsman100 2 года назад +119

    I'm of two minds on Metatron, on one hand I love his design, using him and his lore, where he is one the few angels to directly serve the Great Will instead of just his avatar YHVH. On the other hand though he does feel IMO like a spotlight stealing character that detracts from Michael and SMT tends to put a little too much emphasis on non canonical lore over canonical ones to the determinant of the story and alignment balance. (though to be fair this complaint is mostly directed towards YHVH who gets twisted more often into a Demiurge role than the actual Demiurge demon)

    • @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14
      @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14 2 года назад +11

      Damn you guys have done your research, i'm just like wow cool design

    • @krimsonkatt
      @krimsonkatt 2 года назад +33

      Definitely agree. Too many SMT games are way to focused towards Chaos because they almost entirely paint God as some sort of Demiurge figure who wants to erase free will and make humanity slaves instead of a benevolent if lawful being that just wants to create a perfect, if stagnant world without evil or sin.
      Maruki from P5R was a far better repersentation of YHVH's goals and personality than SMT YHVH. I would have completely agreed with Maruki and have willingly sided with him if not for one simple fact. Unlike a perfect divine being like biblicly accurate YHVH Maruki is a flawed human who could easily be corrupted over time and with ultimate power and no one to stop him he could easily turn everyone's life into a living hell. That's when you know you've written a great antagonist.
      Also it makes no sense without context why YHVH can be killed in both SMT2 and SMT4A, though it makes more sense if you know the secret SMT lore that all gods, monsters, and demons in SMT, including YWVH, were all created by humanity's subconscious desires and are all mortal, making personas and demons one and the same. There is only one true deity in SMT and that's The Great Will, who is neutral for the most part and gave humanity the gift to create their own gods shaped by their beliefs. So technically your fictional waifu could be real in the Amala Multiverse if you and many others believe in her hard enough. Imagine how powerful a demon like Megumin or Zero 2 would be lol. Pyra in SMT6 when?
      The Persona series takes place in the same multiverse as mainline SMT in a timeline where YWVH's control over the universe was shattered and all demons were sealed away deep within humanity's subconscious, likely due to time travel. I can't wait to see that plotline played out, and who knows, it might just be in a route of SMT5. IDK haven't played it and haven't been spoiled on it yet.

    • @dharamsoni8526
      @dharamsoni8526 2 года назад

      Wait so is YHVH an avatar of great will/axiom or is just a God who became the "creator" of each universe by basically dethroning other gods?

    • @carlostejeda4341
      @carlostejeda4341 2 года назад +2

      @@dharamsoni8526 the second option, he fought a war over all gods in all worlds and took the title of main god "creator" for itself in almost all of them, sealing the power of all demons and exiling them to the expanse, but you know that this is just a temporary solution because they will find a way to come back and try to regain or obtain godhood.

    • @carlostejeda4341
      @carlostejeda4341 2 года назад +4

      @@dharamsoni8526 in fact, the axiom doesn't like absolute things, the great will always tries to put the worlds in a constant state of change an evolution and avoid stagnation at all costs.

  • @JahleelSingh
    @JahleelSingh 2 года назад +171

    Another reason he is designed this that is probably because of his name sounding pretty robotic and might allude to Megatron.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +36

      LOL yeah I wanted to mention that, but thought it didn't fit. Everyone I talked with thought the same thing

    • @PaintedHoundie
      @PaintedHoundie 2 года назад +15

      i dont think its really inspired by megatron. atlus goes for a pretty literaly interpretation of the living machine concept that angels are described as in abrahamic religions. metatron and sandalphon also have similar designs, and it might be a reference to enoch (metatron) and elijah (sandalphon) being one of the only humans that were sent to heaven and made angels instead of experiencing death, so that can be seen as artificially created.

    • @JahleelSingh
      @JahleelSingh 2 года назад +6

      @@PaintedHoundie yeah you might be right but it is still fun to think about.

    • @popstarchamp
      @popstarchamp 2 года назад +4

      Angels converge
      Form the Metatron Megazord!!!
      🎼Go Go Herald Rangers🎼

  • @HidinginPublic
    @HidinginPublic 2 года назад +239

    I said it before a month or 2 ago but seriously love your deep dives into this stuff. Researching demon/persona backgrounds- adds a lot of implications to the characters and stories they appear in/with. Glad you're more than 1k now and probably going to reach 10k not far from now. You deserve it. One of the best and only great SMT tubers imo (alongside 3 or 4 others)

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +22

      Thanks, it means a ton. Happy I could share my passion with so many people in a way that enhances their appreciation for media as well as history. I remember you got into SMT and I'm glad you enjoy the content. Never expected the vids to go anywhere, but I'm so happy people are using these as an avenue for learning. Hope you like the upcoming videos too as more in this style are to come!

    • @whoeveryousay8501
      @whoeveryousay8501 2 года назад +1

      We all know you mean that boi nyarly

  • @jj_grabes
    @jj_grabes 2 года назад +151

    Metatron and Sandalphon have always been the beings that fascinated me the most. I know so little about these angels, yet Metatron especially is one of the most prominent beings in SMT (or even Persona for that matter).
    Has Sandalphon had anywhere near this level of exposure? I would assume no based off my own exposure to the games.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +21

      Originally in the script I didn't talk about Sandalphon because there was so little talk about him, but decided to add what I could after the first revision. He isn't shown very often at all and has equally less information on him aside from some old Kabbalistic texts briefly talking about him. You could learn as much as you could from my video, but there's always more out there! I hope you liked the video

    • @PaintedHoundie
      @PaintedHoundie 2 года назад +19

      there's honestly not a lot of info about sandalphon, besides it having the same origin as enoch (righteous man taken to heaven and turned into angel). most info about sandalphon isnt from scripture, but abrahamic cultures and books outside scripture, like a lot of angels not mentioned in bibles.

  • @BainesMkII
    @BainesMkII 2 года назад +57

    SMT revealing that its humanoid Metatron is mass-produced could itself be an acknowledgement of the official description of Metatron. Rather than having 72 wings and hundreds of eyes and mouths in a single body, SMT Metatron can meet or exceed those values through having more bodies.

    • @rock117rx2
      @rock117rx2 2 года назад +5

      Ya know... It would actually be pretty awesome to have a much more eldritch robot Metatron that its able to use his humanoid bodies in a manner similar to the G-Bits from Gundam X.

  • @sleepingparappa
    @sleepingparappa 2 года назад +29

    This would actually explain why angels aren't so fond of humans in smt.

    • @UltimaPhoenix-dx3kt
      @UltimaPhoenix-dx3kt 2 года назад +22

      Imagine being a seraph, the highest, strongest type of angel. Then one day, your boss picks a random human from Earth, turns him into the strongest angel ever, and makes *him* your manager.
      The fact that humans have the potential to become greater than them is bound to make a few angels upset.
      "Dang humans stealing our heavenly jobs!"

    • @ltb1345
      @ltb1345 2 года назад +4

      @@UltimaPhoenix-dx3kt No wonder Mastema had no love for humans, and wanted to gain more power for himself, in SJ.

    • @christopherbravo1813
      @christopherbravo1813 2 года назад +4

      @@UltimaPhoenix-dx3kt it is possible that most, if not all, of the angels that chafe at humans being given special importance are those amongst the ranks of the Fallen.

    • @ProjectTony
      @ProjectTony 2 года назад +1

      Angels are just straight up dicks in smt. They're assholes, but they mean well. Bunch of well meaning assholes.

  • @Illstatefishing
    @Illstatefishing 2 года назад +88

    All right time for the heavy hitters!! Can’t wait to see other legends of the series!!

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +4

      Oh yeah I wanna do all the fan favorite demons eventually. Got a lot to choose from so we'll see who's next

  • @heinokunzelmann8967
    @heinokunzelmann8967 2 года назад +122

    I think the main reason why Metatron is almost always portrayed as a robot may be very simple: His name sounds like a typical robot's name due to the -tron suffix.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +35

      Simplest explanation is probably the right one. Makes sense to me

    • @heinokunzelmann8967
      @heinokunzelmann8967 2 года назад +25

      @@Tony4You that being said though, the theme of angels being robotic tools of god is something they definitely picked up on. SMT IV and IV:A have some ouvert references to that. Though I'd still say that's more of an happy accident they noticed after making Metatron

    • @neoonewingedren1836
      @neoonewingedren1836 2 года назад +3

      @@heinokunzelmann8967 indeed

    • @CNNBlackmailSupport
      @CNNBlackmailSupport 2 года назад +8

      I think you nailed it. Jumbotron, Technotron, Megatron, Metatron.

    • @Mr0901
      @Mr0901 2 года назад +3

      I mean... In zone of the enders they named a mineral Metatron :v

  • @familyfraser7905
    @familyfraser7905 2 года назад +9

    I always thought he was portrayed as robotic because of his name having the popular prefix and suffix for robot names.

    • @DarkAdonisVyers
      @DarkAdonisVyers 2 года назад +1

      All upper angels are robotic, while all lower angels are bondage slaves to symbolize servitude or subservience to Yahweh.

  • @JordanIn3D
    @JordanIn3D 2 года назад +31

    Would love to see a "superboss" Metatron in SMT someday with a design closer to his lore (still love his current look though!), reminds me of the arch's designs from SMT IV.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +7

      That would be so amazing. Metatron was always a fan favorite so seeing a bit more of his "true" form would be really interesting

    • @mediocreglow8091
      @mediocreglow8091 2 года назад +2

      smt 3 got pretty close, really enjoyed tbe metatron fight there

    • @Auriferose323
      @Auriferose323 2 года назад +5

      Maybe under all of that metallic exterior is Metatron's "true form"

    • @Penbin123
      @Penbin123 2 года назад +1

      Wasn't Metatron the final boss on DeSu Overclocked Chaos route?

  • @MinniMaster
    @MinniMaster 2 года назад +59

    It's been explored by other people, but I'd like to see a video on Lucifer. Huge influence throughout the entire series and I always love learning more about the character. Either way, keep up the great work!

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +11

      It's definitely something I plan on making a video on eventually. It has been talked about before, but I think I can put my own spin on it. Thanks for enjoying the videos!

    • @Lelouchxzero1
      @Lelouchxzero1 2 года назад +4

      Perhaps the significant differences of Lucifer and Satan in SMT 2 and them being the same in SMT 4

  • @ThatBoyAqua
    @ThatBoyAqua 2 года назад +25

    While it is a shame that so many other SMT creators are starting to make the same kinds of videos as you (even going as far as to rip the thumbnail style), fortunately nobody can concisely deliver such engaging and informative lore videos like you can.
    Keep your head up, king 👑

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +18

      Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery brother. I'm the only Tony4You, thanks for watching

  • @darienb1127
    @darienb1127 2 года назад +6

    Ever since I first saw Metatron's name, my first thought was "Why does an angel's name sound so much like a Transformer?"

  • @bugappreciater8563
    @bugappreciater8563 2 года назад +8

    I always thought metatron being a robot was symbolic of him always following yhvhs orders with no question or hesitation

  • @inanimatesum4945
    @inanimatesum4945 2 года назад +9

    I love that you can find scraps of inspiration in just these angel and demon designs but then their dialogue and personalities show how well researched the designers are. Then we get incredible people like you who can do an in-depth look at the lore and help fans get an interest into the same lore that gets the designers excited to create such characters.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +3

      Thanks, that means a lot. I'm so happy I can give people a deeper appreciation for the media I love. There's always more than meets the eye, and people really do love to learn about this kind of stuff

  • @ronnocneerb9014
    @ronnocneerb9014 2 года назад +9

    My favorite demon in the franchise. I adore his design and always try and use him whenever I can. Really glad I got to learn more about his lore, great video!

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +2

      Thanks a lot! I was really excited to talk about him and am really happy people enjoyed it

  • @LumyTheQueen
    @LumyTheQueen 2 года назад +5

    In SMT, I always thought Metatron, being the closest to God, was portrayed as robot to represent the complete suppression of free will of those who server God. Incidenlty, I also like the design change of the angels in SMTV, as their metallic heads is a nice callback to Metatron and the complete devotion that God demands from those who follow the Law alignment.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      I can see that in the context of SMT. It's definitely a sentiment those who aren't LAW enjoyers feel lol. Never thought the new design of "angel" was a call back to Metatron and the like either, but I can see the connection

    • @LumyTheQueen
      @LumyTheQueen 2 года назад

      @@Tony4You Haha, sorry is my Chaos alignment showing too much? Either way, I've always loved Metatron's design as well as his story dialogues within each game. He's always a character that has interesting plot-related things to say.

  • @IGN_OFFClAL
    @IGN_OFFClAL 2 года назад +27

    You have no Idea how happy I am you started this up again. I really love these videos and always learn a lot. I hope these continue

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      That means a lot, thanks! I'll be making more in this style for sure

  • @snailthelostcow63
    @snailthelostcow63 2 года назад +8

    Nocturne is always my favorite for Metatron's appearance. I always loved his design ever since my first "SMT" game which is Persona 4 but wow, Nocturne did an amazing job showing how much of a big deal he is without even knowing his lore origin. His presence is really menacing especially when he shot that Fire of Sinai with his menacing laugh.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +3

      Hail the Metatron, he who is one with God. Do it or he'll blast you with so much almighty damage you'll wish you did. Nocturne portrayed him so well

    • @BigMoney398
      @BigMoney398 2 года назад

      Persona isnt SMT

  • @FlibTheBard
    @FlibTheBard 2 года назад +6

    Most almighty moves suck when the player uses them so it feels good if you get metatron and start blasting fools.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +6

      Fan favorite for a reason lol. I'm so glad SMT makes him OP

  • @qios6438
    @qios6438 2 года назад +3

    Tbh he looks like he could be a stand in jojo

  • @MagNetherton
    @MagNetherton 2 года назад +6

    I am so happy I found this channel, I absolutely adore the mythological aspects of SMT and have always wanted to learn more, it's so nice having a channel doing thorough yet digestible vids on it!

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Thanks a lot! I'm really happy people are as interested in this stuff as I am

  • @Neucher
    @Neucher 2 года назад +9

    Metatron is a mood

    • @deciduous_reaper
      @deciduous_reaper 2 года назад +5

      Lol love your Mothman Pfp

    • @Neucher
      @Neucher 2 года назад +5

      @@deciduous_reaper mothman is precious 🪳

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +4

      May you be blessed by the light

  • @tahaelhour690
    @tahaelhour690 2 года назад +10

    i think I can give ap retty solid theory as to why Metatron is robotic.
    Angel or not "Metatron" sounds like the name of a robot, that's it.
    i'm not kidding. when I was playing P5, my first intro into SMT, and got akechi's ultimate persona and read "metatron" I immediatly thought that "oh, a robot".

  • @Dookie5495
    @Dookie5495 2 года назад +3

    The only reason I know of Metatron before I got into SMT was because of the Kevin Smith movie "Dogma" where Alan Rickman plays Metatron. His first scene announces him as The Voice of God and he kept joking how nobody knows about him even though he is the highest order of Angels.

  • @statesminds
    @statesminds 2 года назад +3

    Can’t get enough SMT content. Keep em coming Tony. We appreciate it. 🖤

  • @MrDrCthulhu
    @MrDrCthulhu 2 года назад +7

    Really cool stuff! I remember first learning about him and the Book of Enoch through the El-Shaddai game another person mentioned. It's always interesting to think about people many, many years ago getting into arguments (and probably even fist-fights) over whether a work could be considered true enough to be canon.
    Maybe a video on Demiurge sometime? Unless I missed him in another video of yours. Learning about him and Gnosticism and everything was quite a trip!

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +2

      LOL yeah since the dawn of time people were arguing what was canon is texts. Demiurge could be really interesting too. I'll add him to the list

  • @christopherbravo1813
    @christopherbravo1813 2 года назад +4

    interestingly enough, Metatron's boss dialogue in Devil Survivor suggests that Messiah Abel would have eventually ascended beyond even his level of power and authority. perhaps Abel might even end up replacing him as God's chief messenger to the human world or even rising to command every angel in every world.
    I'd love to see how the people arguing that Overlord Abel is his strongest incarnation would react to *that.*

    • @jackour8167
      @jackour8167 2 года назад +1

      Overlord Abel is stronger than even Yhvh tho. Naoya stated that Abel was doing pretty good against Yhvh and if he keeps up he will win. Even Yhvh acknowledged his power.
      Overlord Abel beat metatron anyway

    • @christopherbravo1813
      @christopherbravo1813 2 года назад

      @@jackour8167 except we don't know that for certain. besides, seeing as how God defeated Bel before, and the new overlord has only recently been formed, I doubt it has any real chance of defeating God unless God lets him win.
      however, by serving God, Abel would eventually grow to become far stronger than his overlord counterpart could ever begin to imagine.

    • @jackour8167
      @jackour8167 2 года назад

      @@christopherbravo1813
      Yes we do actually. Abel is far stronger than his original Bel counter part so apparently he would put much more of a fight.
      And yes he definitely won, there is no reason to suggest otherwise

    • @christopherbravo1813
      @christopherbravo1813 2 года назад

      @@jackour8167 there is no way of knowing how strong either version of Abel became, but it's reasonable to assume that neither one is on God's level.

    • @jackour8167
      @jackour8167 2 года назад

      @@christopherbravo1813 nah overlord surely got the job done. There is no reason to suggest otherwise

  • @Mega1UpMan
    @Mega1UpMan 2 года назад +4

    Man this series is gold fam, can’t wait to see even more big legends

  • @flyingstonemon3564
    @flyingstonemon3564 Месяц назад

    One of my favorite design choices honestly! Which says a lot since I used to mostly favor more abstract or overly complex designs for angels, but here the classic build really felt complemented by the metalic aspects, as if he was an armor of his own wearing a nation's flag banner as his only garnements!

  • @sosu6227
    @sosu6227 2 года назад +3

    In Hermetic Kaballah Metatron and Sandalphon are assigned to the "World of Briah/Creation" as the Archangels of Kether/Crown and Malkuth/Kingdom respectively.
    In normal people speech they are assigned to the process of creation from beginning to end.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Oh wow very interesting. Kabbalah is always great to research, but a bit hard to wrap your head around

  • @stevecosmolove1045
    @stevecosmolove1045 2 года назад +3

    ty man playing SMT rn and needed my lore fix...your vids are getting better and better 👌🏼👌🏼

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Hey thanks a lot! Happy my videos are helping people enjoy the series more

  • @eazybuxafew
    @eazybuxafew 2 года назад +3

    Metatron the GOAT!! Definitely right saying it’s a fan favorite!

  • @enkidu52
    @enkidu52 2 года назад +7

    SMTV and this channel’s coverage of angels has resparked my interest in theology and mythology, just learned more about Seraphim from book of Isaiah, great coverage of these topics

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Thanks a lot! I'm glad I can share my passion with so many people and even convince some to share it will me lol.

  • @ApproachingTempest
    @ApproachingTempest 2 года назад +2

    I don’t know why but SMT’s Metatron scares the jebus out of me. He is so terrifying! smt v capsizes on this.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Yeah I really like his depiction in Nocturne being a large imposing mass of metal. This series is awesome

    • @neoonewingedren1836
      @neoonewingedren1836 2 года назад +1

      Smt V Metatron was kinda underwhelming
      No change of music or dramatic appearance like Nocturne, he just descends with no music and "proof that you're worthy!"

  • @Foraskennull
    @Foraskennull 2 года назад +6

    Metatron, my first smt game just rolled up and fire of Sinai'd me to death. Love this guy. Only reason for law to exist is to get this guy. Also if you're taking suggestions on who's next? I suggest the green Dong

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +2

      I remember my first time getting fire of Sinaid, good times. Yeah I am taking requests into account so I'll add Mara to the list

    • @Foraskennull
      @Foraskennull 2 года назад

      @@Tony4You that you took any time to look at let alone comment on that is cool, loving the content man

  • @lucienpage2066
    @lucienpage2066 2 года назад +3

    I've been waiting for this!

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      The long awaited SMT Lore of one of my favorite demons! It's finally out

  • @Jack-lo5me
    @Jack-lo5me 2 года назад +3

    God, that design is SO fucking good…

  • @SepticArtOfficialVids
    @SepticArtOfficialVids 2 года назад +2

    Well I got two angels to thank.
    Both badass in my eyes.

  • @pedro2629
    @pedro2629 2 года назад +3

    I should also mention that in devil survivor overclocked he and Naoya have an argument if you fight him with Naoya, Naoya, being Cain calls him Enoch
    The conversation is just interesting as well as Metatron's role in Naoya's eighth day

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Oh yeah I was researching that after the video dropped and it is very interesting. Good to have it confirmed in the game that this is his story

  • @alsaiduq4363
    @alsaiduq4363 2 года назад +5

    His Devil survivor apparence was sick. My favorite.

  • @franksturino9129
    @franksturino9129 2 года назад +10

    Of all these years as a Christian I've never heard of these angels. Keep up the videos!

  • @0shawhat
    @0shawhat 2 года назад +4

    Would love it if you went into details with the Goetia demons! There's so many of them

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      They're on the list for sure! I have covered a few in the demons of Bel video, but there are so many more I plan to cover

  • @nicodemusedwards6931
    @nicodemusedwards6931 2 года назад +11

    In terms of design, Metatron is actually my favorite demon.

  • @rock117rx2
    @rock117rx2 2 года назад +7

    I was hoping you would at least mention Metatron's Devil Children design, which while I find it a bit odd. And its not one of my favorite Devil Children design. I still wanted to hear your opinion about it.
    I personally love all of his different E-Mail messages in Devil Survivor 1's various endings.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +3

      Oh sorry, I usually don't talk about devil children or demi kids designs, but I should probably start at least mentioning them. For Metatron's DC design I think it's relatively interesting, more in line with a samurai almost kabuki look with angelic wings. It's pretty on brand for Devil Children, but it's interesting he has a sword despite him being a scribe. In some artistic depictions he is a warrior so I like it for the game.

    • @rock117rx2
      @rock117rx2 2 года назад +1

      @@Tony4You You actually managed to give more of a proper analysis of Metatron's Devil Children design than I ever could! And I am supposed to be the guy who is into Devil Children!

  • @justaguy2182
    @justaguy2182 2 года назад +11

    Metatron had been interesting to me when I really got into the series. I’ve always thought he was original to SMT at first.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +5

      Yeah he was requested a lot and everyone I talked to didn't really seem to know anything about him. Happy I could make a video like this, perfect for the channel

  • @J.Applejuice
    @J.Applejuice 2 года назад +3

    TONY FOR US

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Truly Tony 4 us all!

  • @Tokio2425
    @Tokio2425 2 года назад +4

    I asked and I have received 🙏

  • @berserkronald7008
    @berserkronald7008 2 года назад +2

    Metatron is so awesome, one of my favorite demons in SMT

  • @thereallycao9775
    @thereallycao9775 5 месяцев назад +1

    My favorite thing about the canonicity of Christian texts is “Nah that sounds like too much magical stuff” or “Yep that’s just the right amount of magical stuff”

  • @younghentaii1772
    @younghentaii1772 2 года назад +2

    Bro…. Shin is making me look into religions, cause this sounds so dope

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Same here lol. It helps I like to research already and SMT just put me in a deep rabbit hole

  • @kessenkimball8441
    @kessenkimball8441 2 года назад +5

    "Non canonical to mainstream Christianity" we talking out here like the book of Enoch was a dragonball spinoff game

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      LOL yeah The book of Enoch was a funny thing to research, prefacing everything as non canon in certain denominations.

  • @MrBroken030
    @MrBroken030 2 года назад +1

    1:22 "in times where god was busy..." How can you be busy if you are omnipotent and omnipresent?

  • @wsndnnxn7386
    @wsndnnxn7386 2 года назад +1

    Dropping that algorithm booster. Love your dives into the SMT universe.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for the help bro

    • @wsndnnxn7386
      @wsndnnxn7386 2 года назад

      @@Tony4You Of course! Gonna be spamming the videos I've watched with a similar comment right now!

  • @sonofthefakegod
    @sonofthefakegod 2 года назад +1

    Man when I hear metraton all I can think of is the Italian RUclipsr who has a channel about armor and ancient war stuff

  • @jesusjar11
    @jesusjar11 2 года назад +1

    These videos really makes me interested on theology! I simply forgot that I the video was about SMT

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      LOL yeah sometimes I feel like I get to into the theology aspect. Hope people still enjoy the in depth explanations though

  • @igodreamer7096
    @igodreamer7096 2 года назад +2

    This was a cool video, Tony. The only Metatron I know are from Silent Hill (PSX/PS2) and the rare ore from Zone of the Enders series (PS2/GBA). =)

  • @dudeshamus1451
    @dudeshamus1451 2 года назад +2

    Who is Tony4You: Algorithm Lore (bless)

  • @jay7568
    @jay7568 2 года назад +4

    When I first saw Metaton I called him Megatron

  • @cyborg98
    @cyborg98 2 года назад +1

    I'm so fucking happy I found this channel.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      I'm happy you found it too lol

  • @usagifang
    @usagifang 2 года назад +3

    Maybe the multiple Metatrons is their way of showing the 72 eyes and mouths.

  • @ltb1345
    @ltb1345 2 года назад +4

    So you could say Enoch was an early Law rep.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +2

      IRL Law rep, one day I'll get there

  • @CDBookManGaming
    @CDBookManGaming 2 года назад +1

    Metatron is a large angel that obliterates you consistently. Oh, you mean the original story line.

  • @bryceevangelista721
    @bryceevangelista721 2 года назад +3

    Tony trying his hardest not to say that Metatron only looks like a robot because Kaneko found “-tron” in his name XDDD

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +2

      LOL that would be too easy, but a lot of people had the same idea

  • @alexanderwalker8826
    @alexanderwalker8826 Год назад +2

    its like a compony where god is the founder and owner and enoch/metatron is like the ceo or head management

    • @alexanderwalker8826
      @alexanderwalker8826 Год назад +1

      i bet metatron was running heaven while the lord took a buisness trip to earth as christ

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  Год назад +1

      That's a surprisingly good way of putting it lol

  • @lybniss7913
    @lybniss7913 2 года назад +1

    I'm a simple smt enjoyer
    I see Tony upload
    I watch

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Shouts out to the true content enjoyers

  • @steam-powereddolphin5449
    @steam-powereddolphin5449 Год назад

    Did you know that in Persona 5 (Royal, or at least maybe some specific versions thereof), Metatron's texture changes when summoned during the big fight on the Day of Reckoning?

  • @carlosmeza4524
    @carlosmeza4524 2 года назад +2

    I want to know more about the Hindu mitology. Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma and their wifes. The 7 Devas of the chakra and their job in there.
    Nice video BTW Metatron was, for me, the most important angel of all. And deep inside me told me he is the strongest, most powerful and on top of them. And he is a HUGE inspiration of a Story I am working about. And has a really close relative with my main character as well. Sincerely, one of the best angels I had ever read.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      I'll look into it! I've mainly been focusing on Abrahamic religions early as that is what I am most familiar with, but plan to branch out sometime soon

  • @dudeshamus1451
    @dudeshamus1451 2 года назад +1

    Grats on 10K bruh. May the algo continue blessing T4Y

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Appreciate it king, still can't believe it

  • @statesminds
    @statesminds 2 года назад +2

    What an inspiring story. Maybe one of us can become a powerful angel like him when we die lmao

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +3

      Who really knows what will happen to any of us, maybe we know a modern day Enoch right now

  • @Iron-yMan
    @Iron-yMan Год назад +4

    So this is how christians portray Metatron. Very different from the place im in. In our culture, he also had a skin of metal all round but in ours he can turn into a jet

  • @ArmageddonAngel
    @ArmageddonAngel 2 года назад +2

    The Metatron also used to disguise themselves as Alan Rickman from time to time.

  • @RavenNewblood84
    @RavenNewblood84 2 года назад +2

    Great video keep it up mate

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Thanks man. These videos are fun to make

  • @dialaskisel5929
    @dialaskisel5929 2 года назад +5

    God: "Medammit, how am I going to write all of this important stuff down?"
    Michael: "Why not hire a ghost writer?"
    God: "Good idea! Any volunteers?"
    The Entire Heavenly Host: **Crickets**
    Michael: "Why not get a human, they aren't good for anything else!"
    God: "Good idea! Fetch that Enoch fellow, he's got a good head on his shoulders!"
    **Angels fetch Enoch**
    God: "Okay, this is just an internship, don't screw up!"
    **Enoch proceeds to not screw up**
    God: "Great job, you have a bright future ahead of you in my heavenly host, we are hiring you on full time! You are now in charge of all of these losers" **gestures to the rest of the angels**
    Michael: "B-but boss..."
    God: "No buts!"
    **Enoch becomes Metatron and proceeds to kick butt and chew bubble gum**

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +3

      Books 2-3 of Enoch in a nutshell lol

    • @gl2524
      @gl2524 2 года назад +2

      @Dialask Isel New SMT plot elements (that will never happen):
      - Instead of playing as a typical Japanese high school boy (not counting Flynn or the Strange Journey protag; idk how old Aleph is since I've never played SMT2), you are the Biblical figure Enoch.
      - Instead of being able to pick between Law/Chaos/Neutral/other routes, you're locked into Law pretty much from the start. (Unless someone can come up with plausible plot lines for Chaos/Neutral/other routes)
      - Your level cap is in the 60s, 70s, 80s, or 90s (Metatron is usually somewhere in those levels in the actual games).
      - At some point, you are in heaven, with the encountered enemies being angels of different ranks.
      - Mandatory boss fights include the four named Archangels; maybe some of the other higher-ranking ones too like Seraphs?
      - Idk, maybe the ending has Enoch being given a new robotic body while some other stuff (like YHVH doing shady things to human beings?) happens. You know, like typical "things still go downhill for the humans" kind of stuff.
      Then again, SMT is usually about making choices so I don't think this might work. Unless someone is more creative/can expand upon this.

  • @enrique7934
    @enrique7934 2 года назад +2

    Man made angel by god himself, god's scribe.
    Didn't know about the part of him being god's substitute on vacations.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +2

      Yeah Metatron has some grand duties in heaven, even YHVH needs a break sometimes

  • @andree1991
    @andree1991 2 года назад +2

    THE MARK OF SAMAEL!!!

  • @Mr.ANDERSONYOURASCAL
    @Mr.ANDERSONYOURASCAL 2 месяца назад

    Honestly Metatron sounds like that one character in a series who got power crept to ludicrous levels and the editors told the writer to chill

  • @dumbledoresnape656
    @dumbledoresnape656 2 года назад +1

    I always look forward to new uploads

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Shouts out to the day one viewers

  • @brickwall7960
    @brickwall7960 2 года назад +1

    another banger keep it up king

  • @goris0821
    @goris0821 2 года назад +1

    Another banger from tony

  • @cpl.targrein1793
    @cpl.targrein1793 2 года назад +1

    Man I love your channel. You make interesting videos and have soothing voice. Keep it up :)

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Thanks a lot! Happy people share my passions for this type of research

  • @RedHairedZander
    @RedHairedZander 2 года назад +2

    I love the idea that god was like "I like your style little man, You're now my favorite human and angel. :)"

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +2

      You're my favorite deputy :) Come on into heaven

    • @neoonewingedren1836
      @neoonewingedren1836 2 года назад +2

      "you're a cool one! I will make you my homie!"

  • @jakubkasprzak5439
    @jakubkasprzak5439 2 года назад +1

    Great video as always man, wondering if you'll ever do a video about the lesser known angels in SMT like Mastema or Lailah

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Yes I absolutely plan to talk about those characters. I have a huge list of video ideas that gets longer after every upload lol

  • @jackour8167
    @jackour8167 2 года назад +1

    Interestingly enough, metatron is actually Yhvh's strongest avatar, aspect and angel. With the exception of smt 4 apocalypse Satan alone

  • @jasonblundelldobebussing
    @jasonblundelldobebussing 2 года назад +6

    Metatron Is The One With God. And He Says That God Says That You Have Posted Cringe.
    (This message was sponsored by God Almighty)

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад +1

      Thou hast posted cringe, prepare for Megidolaon

  • @desklamp1945
    @desklamp1945 2 года назад +1

    When that new Tony4You vid drops!

  • @susanoo8468
    @susanoo8468 2 года назад +1

    I always save these videos for before bed

  • @unluckyyyy_6352
    @unluckyyyy_6352 2 года назад +1

    Sick vid as always

  • @assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756
    @assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 2 года назад +1

    love your stuff man!

  • @Comrade_Hee-Ho
    @Comrade_Hee-Ho 2 года назад

    Metatron is definitely an interesting demon, almost all of the stuff here was unknown for me so it's really cool that I could learn something from it 😅
    Nice video as usual Tony, one day I'll be able to support you in Patreon 😔

  • @ogredanhibiki
    @ogredanhibiki 2 года назад +1

    I would be interested in a video about the Trumpeter, if possible.

    • @Tony4You
      @Tony4You  2 года назад

      Hey that's not a bad idea, maybe all of the revelations fiends! Thanks for the suggestion

  • @clydefrosch
    @clydefrosch 2 года назад +2

    Also, enocs story definitely a selfinsert character

  • @christopherrobbins2600
    @christopherrobbins2600 2 года назад +6

    I've always found it interesting why Enoch and Metatron's stories are considered non canonical by so many Christians due to early fears in the church and among Jewish scholars that his role as the voice of God could be misconstrued.
    Essentially, God's perfection is such that the human mind cannot comprehend or understand him, so in turn if people were to hear God''s actual voice it would kill them from its sheer brilliance and power. So throughout the Bible it is believed that when people heard the voice of God it was really the voice of Metatron (given that he was once human he could understand God and effectively communicate with people) but as stated above, church leaders and rabbis were worried this would lead to people worshiping Metatron as God's equal so his stories and status were swept away by most Christians, Jews, etc.