AVOID THESE FOODS ON THE CARNIVORE DIET! -Doctor Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Think all you need to do to be successful on a carnivore diet is eat only animal products? But what if the kinds of animal foods you’re including are harming you? Do you need to dig deeper and eat only specific kinds of animal foods? But what if you can’t AFFORD to eat certain types of food? Should you forget about even trying carnivore? Watch Dr. Westman’s reaction to a popular carnivore influencer raising alarms about this. Is she being scientific or sensationalist? #carnivore #nutrition #health
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I'm retired so I purchase meat from Wal Mart and Aldi, along with canned tuna and salmon, butter, cheese, whipping cream and conventional eggs (60 per box) from WM. I feel fine and get good results. It's all better than highly processed foods made with sugar, margarine, flour and seed oils.
Agreed 100+%. As I said above, I have also been eating canned meats all my life, which is now 80 !
I'm retired too and go to Wal-Mart early in the mornings to get the price cut meats. Even Dr Berry says the canned meat is much better than all the other plant based food and if that's all you can afford it fine. I felt better after 2 weeks of eating Wal-Mart and canned and deli meats.
Agree 👍 💯
Don’t forget sardines and herring
Also spam is good sliced thin, fried. (sry, Bella! Lol)
@@YeshuaKingMessiah Yes!
Too many influencers like her are almost shaming those who cannot afford the “best” quality carnivore foods. It’s not feasible for some to purchase ribeyes for daily consumption. Dr Berry says do the best you can…I appreciate his words a whole lot more than hers. Thank you for bringing this to light, Dr.
I am a little suspicious of her motives. Does she really believe this or is she mainly motivated by her desire to get more viewers and more income from her channel?
@@alexr6114 Makes videos with misleading titles too.
Yeah you don’t need 8 dollar eggs to be carnivore !
Love Dr Berry! He’s “real people” motivated and tells it like it is.
Dr Westman. I appreciate your reasonable, common sense deductions you make regarding every topic you address. Wish you were my doctor 🤗
Dr Westman dissects arguments so respectfully!
He has a kind demeanor, absolutely. I'm not sure his dissection considered everything, though. But that aside...people wanting to do carnivore assumedly did have money they were constantly spending on junk food and offending foods, RX's and copays due to those foods. That money can't go to healthier foods? I think it can. I'm trying to do that. Maybe they just aren't all honestly calculating right-on-paper-tally-style, the ouch-painful amount of money they truly spent/lost on those habitual groceries. Choosing one way or the other quality-food-wise depends on exactly how well one really wants to feel. No one else can choose that for us. He's less pushy, she's more pushy, but in truth, she is right about higher quality food preventing a higher potential state of well-being. On her part, did she really oush boullion cubes?--because that's a no-way for me. I'm highly allergic, and that stuff will cause weight loss stalls for those who might not be, just because it is an isolate loose cannon in the engine. It even causes brain swelling, people just don't always realize why they are having a slump. But for me, I will get a debilitating migraine from it that I don't recover from for 48 hrs. Stupid food is not worth it in any form for me.
This list is like the gold medal of carnivores. I'll keep my silver medal because how many people can't qualify. Being carnivore is life changing in a positive way, so just do what you can afford.
Thats about the best way to put it!!!!!😊
Many can’t afford the top gold standard of pasture raised foods. If you follow Dr. Ken Berry he tells us that deli meats, spam and hot dogs is much better than eating the standard diet of ultra processed and junk foods.
@@daviddad1234 amen. I can't afford panda massaged meat, I eat what fits in the budget.
Love your simile! ☺️
You can get canned meat without the additives: tuna, wild caught salmon, chicken, beef, etc. packed only in water and sometimes salt. Lunch meat and bacon - I choose Applegate brand, but will occasionally buy conventional. Eggs - I will buy pasture raised or organic, cage free, but again will buy conventional if not available. Don’t sweat it.
I'm a poor carnivore/ketovore with chronic kidney disease. My labs have improved since I've been eating this way. I eat pastured foods whenever I can but, that isn't always possible. I don't fret about it, I know, the poorest quality of meat is still better than carbs.
Absolutely. My daughter is poor and she does the best that she can with the budget she has.
This.
You’re 100% right. I could afford pasture raised grass finished beef but I buy 80/20 angus Hamburg and choice New York strip on sale. I have about 8 to 10 oz of steak and 6 oz of Hamburg about 5 or 6 days a week. I do buy cage free eggs at about $5 / dozen because I think they taste better. Considering that I don’t buy any other food I think I eat cheaper now than when I was on the SAD which gave me CAD.
@@stroys7061 Funny thing is I was at Walmart last night trying to get their 80/20 grassfed, which was temporarily out of stock, which had me looking around, and, turns out that their lean, under-cellophane regular hamburger was more than a dollar more per pound than their grassfed 80/20 sells for! Granted, their ground chuck, for some reason, sells for nearly a dollar less per pound than the latter... but, hey, kudos? to Walmart for charging more for regular lean hamburger that happens to be worse for you than they do for the healthily fatty grassfed. My objection to some of Westman's false equivalencies here, though, is that un-intelligent shopping (in the CIA sense of intelligence) is the leading cause of inflation (my Not-actually-a-conspiracy theory).
Make sure you avoid seed (vegetable) oils. Consider taking NAC supplement. It's awesome for the liver and keep you potassium levels up.
I'm carnivore, but often say - don't be vegan about carnivores... thus ocd disorder some carnivores have is ridiculous
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I see it in multiple layers, I'm very picky about what i eat, i never comment about what other people eat, and i see people like her as entertainers who are purposely leaning into the extreme.
@@delbomb3131 Same here, we all need to eat the healthiest foods WE can afford and let it go at that.
‘Don’t be vegan about carnivore’ well put, love it..I will use that myself..
Watch The Carb Addiction Doc's (Robert Cywes, M.D.) video about Orthorexia.
I don't have much of a budget, either, but fortunately, I did extremely well eating all the things she said not to eat. Spam, Vienna Sausage, canned tuna, canned chicken, and the cheapest deli bologna I could find, and the El cheapo eggs are my food. I lost 220 pounds, and my A1c went from 11 to 4.9. I'm 78 and take no meds.
Amazing,biggest congratulations to you. Great example of utilizing resources at your disposal effectively!
Amazing!!
Wow, amazing! How long have you been on it?
Same story at 68 years.
@lexiatel
I have nothing on the original commenter. I've lost 30 lbs, into my 3rd year doing keto/carnivore ! Still 20 or 30 pounds to lose. Doesn't happen fast for everyone. Sometimes, there's much healing to process before weight loss!
Not a fan of elitist carnivore. Just like those who say you 'can't eat spices or hot sauce, etc'. You eat whatever meat you can afford. Sorry, if it helps me stay on plan, I'm using those products. Any meat is better than the SAD by far.
I wouldn’t ever say you can’t eat spices or hot sauce, but it is worth eliminating them for a while and reintroducing them one at a time to see what you can tolerate. In my case, it’s worth sticking to salt (despite my love for spice), but you’re obviously free to make that call for yourself.
Very true, a little ketchup and mayo occasionally help me keep on track. It's certainly not a big issue, IMHO!
I typically start off with all my favourite things I like to eat that's low carb, then I start eliminating it, slowly. Such as soda. I used to drink one a day, and now it's been almost two weeks since I had one.
Different people have entirely different experiences: I have lost nearly 240 pounds in the last 13 months, over half my original body weight. I have a coffee protein shake every morning and otherwise eat almost entirely eggs and tinned meats, mostly fish (herring steaks, sardines, and kippers, but also Vienna sausages), plus some leafy greens (spinach and lettuce) and a touch of other vegetables (green or red onions, celery, radishes, and seaweed) as treats. I have a large rack of spices and a range of cast iron to prepare a variety of eggs. I aim for "zero carbs," knowing that I'll have a minimal amount, and generally aim for lower calorie. For example, recently I added reduced fat cheese (for the lower calories) that I use sometimes in the eggs. My doctor is tracking me, and the health benefits have been incredible.
Tinned fish and meats are pre-portioned and easy to track. It pairs well with eggs and salad. And you can develop a taste for it, even if you didn't start with one. It comes in a wide variety of sauces and preparations (kippers are like fish bacon!) and ranges from inexpensive to fancy. Similarly, I use cheese slices in plastic. I prefer non-wrapped cheese, but it's easy and pre-portioned in low calorie, low carb units. It's not my preference in cheese, but it's what works best for my personal weight loss efforts.
Every two weeks I take Saturday night and the following Sunday to be off diet and eat for pleasure. This is again a personal aspect: I lost my weight after my wife unexpectedly passed away right after her 40th birthday. It coincides with a theater group I am involved with and is a social and cooking evening and day for my mental health, which is just as important for overall health.
I no longer mind being hungry, but if I am, I can eat. If I'm not, I don't eat. I will often go Monday and Tuesday without eating after an off day if I ate a large amount. If not, I'll eat Monday night. My attitude toward food is different, and I am confident that I can keep the weight off for the rest of my life. I just wish Sarah was around to see the results of my efforts; she was fit and I was not. She loved eating out, but unlike me, had better portion control. I know she worried about my future health, even saying so when she was in the ICU with a DNR bracelet. I urge anybody with serious weight to lose to do so sooner rather than later. The change in your life is astounding and transformative.
I bet she's watching and so proud of you. Way to go! Sorry for your loss❤
I lost 50 lbs on the Roger Raglin plan. 90% veggies 10% lean meat but I also lost a ton of muscle with . Lost that 50 lbs in 92 days. Was a good plan .
Good on ya, mate!!!
I don't know where all the replies went, but I seriously hope you're not reporting them if they weren't mean. I do think though that you should be including beef. You're not going to have anything catastrophic happen eating beef and higher fat foods. I would hope that eventually you get to a point where you don't need those cheat days anymore. Overtime that could end up screwing up your weight loss.
Wow! Congrats! That's quite an accomplishment! TY for sharing your secrets. Sorry for your loss. Love is eternal ♾️❤️
You should have ten million subscribers. You are so clear-headed and informative without being judgmental. Thank you.
He's annoyingly boring.
I eat what I can afford . I eat Rotisserie Chicken for convenience. I don’t eat canned food except for sardines. I don’t really like steak, but I do eat ground beef.
I do not like steak either. I eat ground beef and sardines. My local grocery store has large packages of chicken thighs with the skin on sale for $0.99 a pound. I used to eat 93% protein ground turkey. While I still love the taste of ground turkey, I prefer to spend less money on chicken that costs far less.
Careful..many rotisserie chicken is bathed in seed oils..can be a problem if you are sensitive
15 months imperfect carnivore/ketovore- very low carb. Way better off now. Bella is a beautiful girl but an alarmist who muddies the waters - creating an aura of her opinions being factual and reviving the food anxieties we all started carnivore to eliminate. I stopped watching her a long time ago.
Alarmist? Huh?
She’s simply a YT funneler-to her coaching services. She has abounding success and shares.
I don’t get food anxiety from her at all.
Agree, she also eats alot of conventional meat she buys at Sam's and Costco's.
youve got to remember they have to create content to keep the RUclips revenue coming in
She strikes me as elitist. Telling people to throw away canned meat is a terrible thing to say. Not everyone has money to throw away on food. Just do the best you can.
In my opinion Bella is a carnivore snob, who is only interested in click bait video's to attract suckers.
I commented on her video that not everyone has access to raw products and got a lot of folks agreeing with me. Same as meat - majority of us just buy supermarket meat.
Yeah there's no dairy close by here. I don't drink milk anyway, but yeah, it would be nice.
I raise goats though, so many I'll be blessed with some fresh milk one day.
That video irritated the pfff out of me.
All these coaches making their own rules.
Thank you for covering her video.
yeah really...most Carnivores are getting crazy with restricting about everything..
And you think he’s more qualified than her, because he’s a doctor? Good luck out there.
@@coopercooper8406 What makes you think he's NOT qualified to comment on her? Just because he apparently can't tell the difference between pizza face (which was her appearance when she was "a student at Juliard", and a vegan) and a clear faced, supposedly clearer headed concert pianist, at the far end of the country from Juliard? Consider the source! Have some faith in a DOCTOR's research, man!
@Anon-Man. I have to admit the carnivore community has a lot of shaming in it. I also admit that sometimes I go on chats and say how I use lots of spices and drink wine occasionally. Gasp, also eat some veg once in a while 😂
@@karenstasik2979 Don't conflate "shaming" and well-meaning shooing (and I say that well meaningly:). The beauty of keto (and this is something that Dr. Westman doesn't get wrong when it comes to puritanism) is that you do not have to be a pure chronic, as long as it is truly achieved for ten days, or three months, or three years, or whatever re-set you want to get to, and then you can let yourself go and then re-reset etc, however you see fit, while still achieving much greater benefits than you would from any amount of anti-nutrient dieting... versus what is a therapeutic way of eating.
I've watched her stuff before. I find her to be a purist. I like your balanced approach, Dr. Westman. I appreciate the information I get from your content.
I am carnivore for right now because I am a sugar addict and I have no self-control. I also have severe osteoporosis and I have broken 16 bones in 12 years. I really feel I need to do something about my bones. So now carnivore.
Weight resistance workout.
Clearly this woman has no food budget to stick to. Not all of us can afford $8 a dozen eggs or $30 lb rib eye. Thanks Dr. Westman for providing common sense information!
She needs to call her video 'Carnivore for the Elites'.
@@barbaraparker6996 ~▪︎HA ! 💯👌
Pasture raised eggs $4.45 at Aldi
If you are not buying all the other unhealthy crap, it's very affordable.
You do not have to make up excuses. If you want to eat plants and stay unhealthy, possibly fat, then do so. But don't blindly believe what doctors who profit from us staying sick have to say about it while dismissing someone who has direct proof in their own life that disputes what they claim.
There are many, many people (and more everyday) PROVING that this way of living works and reverses or minimizes many common health issues we only developed since the food and health industries joined together in bed to line their pockets, at the expense of our health!
Local eggs are $12/dz here on Kaua'i. 😒
Dr Westman, you are such a valuable voice. A big thank you is due. I have learned so much watching your videos. I love the non-confrontational yet uncompromising takes you give. Please keep up the good work!
He is, he's one of few who actually look at facts rather than opinions. Although he's doing some old fashion evidence based medicine, he actually looks at evidences, not opinions. Few can do that. Being able to determine facts and opinions is just a very valuable and rare skill.
I love his humble calmness and approach to being completely open to possibility and not ignoring facts and proof of sources or findings over time.
Anybody pushing a carnivore diet is ignoring the facts, by default. Westman is dumb as a bag of rocks
At 62, I am crazy healthy, lean, muscular, and zero meds and I eat regular eggs and braunschweiger daily for DECADES, along with some deli meats.
Steak n Butter gal might play a mean piano but I’ll stick to Dr Westman’s advice.
Just cuz he's a fud (bless him, since keto benefits in part from a "respectable" fud) does not mean that he isn't juvenilely excusing "app made eggs" that simply aren't nearly AS good for you, per dollar, as, well, good ol' natural eggs... the wide consumption of which pre-dates common heart disease. But, hey, his advice - like an app-made egg - IS still "better than nothing"... but not better than Bella's, in that instance.
Sometimes if I get hungry again or cravings, I will eat something fatty. My.”go to “ is braunschweiger on crispy pork rinds. I find this very satisfying and it relieves cravings - plus it has some rice crunch.
Love me some "liverwurst"! I refuse to listen to the zealots!❤
@@2L82Sk8Bye pork rinds are endlessly useful!
She should stick to playing a piano, she has no qualifications making a video about Carnivore....avoid her at all cost
I eat as clean as I can afford that month! But nearly always eat the pasture raised eggs and foods coffee.
Pick your fights.
Yeah, i just dont need to hear her crap. Since having cancer and really struggling with the after effect of my surgery, i had to quit work, live on a fixed income. It is so hard to afford food. So, what she is saying is if you can't afford to eat expensive food, you might as well just give up. That video was the last I watched of hers. I will trust Dr. Westman.
She never said that lol
She has how to eat cheap vids quite often
She claims to eat hamburgers alot. She eats like 1 dozen eggs a day. And she eats alot of flanken ribs which are quite cheaper than steak. Plus chicken wings alot.
Don’t have ur conclusion be the take away from her vid.
I don’t eat pork or other scavengers (seafood) yet pork is cheap as chicken! I still manage to eat meat tho.
Do the best u can.
You are dealing with alot of challenges!! It is so refreshing that Dr Westman is a voice of calm and common sense. I hope you continue on this road and get better.
Please take care. I pray for a swift recovery. ❤💗🙏🏻
@@pamelamechling8647he's a good egg. 😊 a great doctor
Plants harm you meat kills you this is ridiculous now so much nonsense on you tube where the long living keto dieters please name few of them lots of long living vegans I'm sick of you tube channels on diets
You have to take her advice with a grain of salt. I mean, she says we shouldn’t drink ice water because her grandma told her it was bad.
and it is all based on traditional Chinese medicine, the ice water or drink stuff… which maybe is right in sone ways but not really evidence based
@@lkrnpk When I have a sore throat, I’ll drink ice water. It is proven to reduce inflammation. I grew up with that advice of not to drink cold water and I have found it worse than useless.
I’ve run into Steak and Butter Gal and a few others who have these what I would call “extreme” views on what is acceptable to eat. First, from some of her other videos, I think she might be extremely sensitive to a lot of foods and ingredients. I don’t watch them as much anymore because I find their views a bit discouraging, definitely unrealistic, and so very expensive. So I will continue with my regular eggs, sometimes cage free, sometimes organic, my canned and packaged tuna, salami, deli meats, sometimes Spam, breakfast sausage, ready made ground beef patties - from WalMart, Safeway, Costco. Some artificial sweeteners. The Walmart electrolyte mix. Being on social security, my budget is tight. And I like this stuff and it keeps me going. I don’t want to get derailed by food purists. And, when I really want milk, I will get the pasteurized whole milk and drink it ice cold and enjoy every drop.
I believe she has autoimmune issues, and so a strong incentive to form strict standards and opinions around what she eats.
I have autoimmune issues and react negatively to some additives and preservatives in some animal products, so have to consider this when looking at what animal products I consume.
You do you!
I do subscribe to her channel and had run into this particular video. It did upset me somewhat. I just wish it had not come across as so black and white. I do think she is extremely sensitive to a lot of foods and ingredients. Having autoimmune issues definitely plays into that. She is also very young.
But, making a sweeping statement to get rid of these foods and never touching them again does not take into consideration the nuanced needs of a lot of other people. And if by chance this is the first carnivore video anyone sees, it can be very discouraging and off putting. I mean, this video upset me, and I’ve viewed hundreds and learned to take some with a grain of salt.
Amy Berger touts "keto without the crazy." Well, Steak and Butter Gal seems to be the "crazy" of carnivore in that context.
@@karenstasik2979 "You do you" is great advice. In the context of people with novel issues, it's very important. It's important for those whose issues aren't so novel too. One example that always strikes me is diabetics vs "pre-diabetics" (maybe call that "stage one," and a LOT of people are there. However, diabetics need to follow a _different_ set of serious rules for their n=1.)
PS: A lot of people in the nutrition world push specific rules that they suggest _everyone_ should follow, and we're all different, and probably all have unique requirements to achieve our best (some of which we have not yet discovered!)
Thank you so much. I generally like her videos. But I was pretty disturbed when she put this one out. The cost of most food now is prohibitive for many people and by telling them they need to have all this high quality food, they may be discouraged from even going low carb. We all know that processed foods, seed oils, high fructose corn syrup, etc are bad for you and inflammatory. But I would suggest following Dr Ken Berry who is much more sensitive to people's budgets. And obviously you are the same because you have a clinical practice and I appreciate that.
Dr. Berry is the GOAT.
And Dr. Westman and his information.
Yes, Dr Westman, there is nothing wrong with eating deli meats. I have been eating them all my life. I am 80 and have NO signs of cancer ! Hot dogs and everything else has gone down my chute, and continues to do so ! ! !
Preservative 250, sodium nitrite, is cancer causing.
Some people smoke cigarettes their whole life and never develop cancer.
You are fortunate to not have developed any issues in your lifetime of eating canned meat, but that doesn't change how dangerous it is.
I don't eat most deli meat for this reason, however preservative 250 is not in all canned meat.
For example I am okay with canned sardines in spring water, but not with canned ham.
I bet they have...
Best doctor on the internet
I started Carnivore two months ago. I’ve had Hypothyroidism most of my life. I’m 70. I raise most of my food. Beef sheep chicken duck and turkeys so I have my own eggs and milk etc. my T3 two months ago was 3.1 on the scale of 3 to 7. One month later my T3 was 7.9 and my meds have been cut by 1/3. All I did was cut the vegetables and fruit. My skin is no longer dry and itchy and there’s already a difference in my hair
Glad to hear that your efforts are getting good results.
Yes, oxalates are more dangerous than they are given credit for.
8 months now on Carnivore. I lost 30lbs within the first 5 months and now I'm shredded from keeping the fat off and working out on the reg. I eat steak 4/5 days a week with 6 eggs/day. Chicken, pork, fish, Bison on the non-steak days. My body and mind has never been better in my life, and I didn't come the SAD diet, I was Keto for years. Great content Doc 👍 P.S - Yes some eggs are better than others, but, you have to eat a large amount in one sitting to absorb the difference. There is a great video on a egg study here on YT and explains it all. Yes, its sad that some chicks are stuck in cages vs running wild, but for health purposes - no diff in small amounts. I recommend buying what you can afford or what your conscious tells you.
Absurdist logic. You apparently mean SMALL "absolute" diff, in small amounts (like a third of an egg)... not "no diff". RELATIVE difference is two to three times as much Omega 3, less Omega 6, and additional (real) vitamin A and E... and, since eggs are about the best source of some of those undeniably-important-and-easy-to-not-get-optimal-amounts-of nutrients... "no diff" would seem to be an urban fantasy.
@@bobh1208 eggs are not a great source of D
Nothing but organs are
VitA rly is that much more in pastured eggs? Might be… regardless I can’t touch anything but Aldi eggs right now. Broke as a JOKE.
@@YeshuaKingMessiah No, but D is a great source of fertilized eggs. But yeah, you're right... I musta been thinking of E (so, I edited out the D). But, one can always [or at least, sometimes] make like a [lucky] chicken... and go outside.
Thank you Dr. Everyone is different. Economically and physically. You do your best and it’s much better than all the sugary and super processed foods. She can really only speak for herself.
Thanks, Dr. Westman. I appreciate your down-to-earh approach to the whole subject of food. I do strive to do better than the cheapest garbage out there but there are limits. I do the best I can. If that's a can of Walmart tuna, so be it. You're right, still way better than a doughnut. "The enemy of good is perfection."
Dr Westman always speaks with humility, grace, and kindness! The reality is he could trash these people, but he never does 🎉❤! And he is the Sage of the age when it comes to obrsity, low carb, and the SAD!
I think Bella produces a lot of plain old clickbait. She seems to be making it more complicated than it is, IMO. We buy the equivalent of one whole cow per year for the two of us, local grass fed Angus beef, averages out to just $8/lb inc all processing. It's pricey to buy even one half beef at a time on a fixed income, but it's almost our entire food budget so no myriad other grocery trips for all sorts of things we never eat. We eat eggs from our own free range chickens which must be fed with commercial feeds when there is no green forage in the cold months, but we know what they're consuming and they are never drugged. If you must buy grocery store beef, even all-beef hotdogs, seriously, that is football fields better than any American carb-loaded diet. To Bella, I would say "You do you, Boo" and I will do what I know works for my husband and me. Now, when I see her clickbait, I usually pass it on by. There are good things on her channel, but these sensational video titles are irritating. ~Cynthia
Of course she has to make it more complicated than necessary. If not, she'd run out of content to post!
Cultural differences may come into play here. I grew up in Bavaria, where organ and deli meats are part of regular food. I ate things I can't even buy here. :)
Bayern has the best Metzgereien!! I’m half German (from Nürnberg), and there’s no deli meat like Bavarian deli meat. A lot of it was made locally back in the day, so it’s not like the American version (Oscar Meier) lol.
You were the original keto influencer. Thank You!
Thank you Dr Westman for your no nonsense approach to all this…
Buy the best you can find within your budget!
Any kind of meat is way better than carbs
There's a valid point to not eating a junk low carb diet, but for people who come to this way of eating through prior unhealthy eating patterns it's important not to cross over into potential orthorexia.
It's about getting to know what works for YOU, within your budget. If I suddenly found my plans changing and needed a quick stop gap I would pick up a tin of spam over a packet of pork pies or a tray of 🍟. Spam definitely has added sugar (as do most deli meats) but for me it wont spike my blood sugar and cause weight gain like the pie or 🍟.
I have no lactose intolerance and milk doesn't cause me to carb binge. In fact, a large iced milk and cream coffee will keep me from thinking about any/all food for hours.
To each his/her own. My type 2 diabetes was severely out of control before I came across Bella and Dr. Berry. Watching their videos on the carnivore way of eating, and reading comments from people that had healed many issues, I decided to try it for only 2 weeks. I was shocked when my weight went down 9lbs (water weight of course), but my glucose dropped significantly in those two weeks. I kept on (and still eat this way), and my A1C went from being above 12 down to where it currently is at 4.6. I got off of the medication 3 months after starting this journey and can honestly say that my mood and over all health just feels so much better. I too loved some liver smothered in onions and gravy when I was a kid... Can't stand the taste or texture of it now. Again, to each his/her own but it works for me.
When the body breaks down fat, it breaks it down into water and carbon dioxide. So in effect water weight loss is fat loss 😊
I have a beloved family member who has enjoyed "tinned" fish (as well as "Spam") for the majority of life and is approaching the 9th decade in TREMENDOUS physical health and a robust state of mental acuity that rivals the cognitive abilities of MOST PEOPLE *MULTIPLE* DECADES YOUNGER.
Awesome, ❤❤
Yes, she is fear mongering...
That seems to be her "brand". She says things very confidently with zero evidence and has a bunch of folks who will follow her into any nonsense. For example she keeps saying that melted butter is bad for you but cold butter is good. ???? The internal temp of the stomach means that all butter is melted within seconds. Doesn't pass the sniff test.
@@robinbeers6689and eating sticks of butter is asinine also.
@@engc4953 Whatever floats yer boat but don't try to tell me that a stick of butter out of the fridge is somehow chemically or metabolically different than melted butter once it hits the stomach.
Canned meats and foods in general is better than eating carbs for sure. But i would red the labels from the can what is in it before i buy it. I make sure there isn´t added sugars or seed oils. One more thing is that never buy denced cans. If the can is damaged, then there might be some toxins from the can material.
Also the cheapest eggs are still better than no eggs at all. At least here in Europe there isn´t so big differnces on eggs that would have huge effects witch eggs you are buying. Food in these days is so expencive that i rather buy that what i can afford. Ofcourse if i would have lots of cash, i would by better quality products, but i am not so sure does those things have so much better benefits for your health that would be neccesary.
That i agree that you don´t have to eat organs at all. If you don´t like to eat those then don´t. Your diet should be that kind that you don´t have to force yourself to do it. Enjoy your food always so you can keep up your healthy diet.
I eat some dairy and i use cream, butter and cheese. I just buy all of those as lactose free. At least here in Finland the cost is about the same in lactose free products.
Doc, critical thinking what a wonderful concept! Always get new information from your videos. Thank you for being here!
I appreciate that!
Dr. Westman, I like your common sense approach. Some of us are not as wealthy as Steak and Butter Gal and we have to get by with what we can afford. I personally use the cheapest high fat ground beef that I can get as my main staple. I sometimes include some eggs, some liver and some sardines. But most days it's just ground beef. I am curious what it is that you think we need in that little bit of vegis that you recommend to your patients?? I'm not aware of anything that we need that's missing from meat and eggs that could be found in plants. (By the way, I'm originally from NC. I've been on the Duke campus before, although my alma mater is NCSU.)
Dr. Westman, as always, you've been very good in pointing out the facts. You weren't mean or negative towards Ella, the S&B gal. Thank you for another great video!
Always strive for better but frankly start with what you can.
Thanks for clearing all these points
I eat Costco hotdog snacks without the bun almost daily and is staying super healthy. Also, the nitrates may be beneficial towards the creation of nitric oxide. With good digestion, I believe that most meats will breakdown to component amino acids and the body doesn't care what the original protein source is, just the different ratios of amino acids available for the body to build new proteins for the body. Granted, pasture raised eggs may be slightly better, but we all do what we can to stay as healthy as possible within our budget. Thanks Dr. Westman.
I did carnivore for a month last year behind ibsd symptoms. I'm a mentally disabled single mom/home maker on SSI, snap, public housing. I have hashimotos too. I overproduce insulin causing reactive hypoglycemia. On carnivore and keto I do splurge when I can afford to on pasture raised eggs but a dozen costs around $7 while a 60 pk of pasteurized costs $10. Let's just say I mostly buy the cheapo option. On milk I buy mostly pasteurized but sometimes I go to a local farmers market to get one gal at most a month. I make yogurt with it then use the whey or a little of that to make yogurt with cheap milk. When I was doing carnivore I needed some level of carbs like with keto to avoid glucose drops and the er trips from them but I got those from yogurt, skyr, cheeses, deli meats, canned meats like Vienna sausages, and small amounts of milk diluted with water that id add stevia and extract to flavor. I did a lot of beef kidney or heart at that time and still do since I a) have a history of anemia and other red meat gets expensive fast, and b) I tested low on folate whike doing carnivore so im still eating those and supplimenting folate to deal with that. I do a mix of fatty and lean proteins because I'm only 5'2 so I don't need as heavy intake of food as a non pint size person. My lean meats often are fish or shellfish because of the iodine being good with my hashimotos but I also do some mostly dark meat chicken or canned/pouch tuna or chicken as well as canned makeral, salmon, sardines. I do a wide variety of foods either way because I do best with options.
Dr. Berry says if all you can afford is canned meats and sausage, then do that! Just start eating meat! And when you can afford better quality food, start making changes. Don’t use the excuse that I can’t afford grass fed ribeye, etc. so I won’t try carnivore.
Where I live canned meats are as expensive as meat...so I buy meat.
@@arturmassa3600Good decision 🙂
She's not wrong. Clean food is better. She's not saying don't eat it if you're going to starve.
such a good thing that you can skip parts of a video these days, i only watched the parts with Dr.Westman explaining stuff…….those self aclaimed “specialist” influencers these days are ruining good info on social media. Creating a lot of doubt and confusion for people who need good info to help themselfs to a better health. Thank you Dr. Westman!
If we were all loaded we could all eat totally clean and we would, but we're not. Having a carnivore snob who comes across a little entitled who sees the rest as we're all eating at the pig trough is a little offensive.
Thanks for your common sense! Appreciate your input
She's a click bait queen.
She spreads fear to keep people eating donuts and burritos.
She's ignorant
@@guile6she actually means well. I’ve seen her videos. I think it’s like the concept of best practices. There’s good, better, best. And sometimes best comes with a cost. She should just state at the beginning and end that if all you can afford is food on the lower spectrum of the carnivore diet, then do that. Do what you can. Something is better than nothing. And if you can eventually make better choices then do so. But if you want to know best practices for optimal health, listen to the following information (then continue her video).
I once asked on one of her videos, “do I really have to give up bell peppers and onions and garlic and salsa and mustard? I use them to flavor my foods such as scrambled eggs, etc. (instead of using ketchup and mayo).”
She basically replied, if you don’t feel adverse effects then go ahead and do it occasionally. And maybe somewhere down the line you might want to consider eliminating them and going full carnivore. She was very gracious.
@@kathycallahan6810 How is she ignorant if what she does, works for her....?? Works for many others??? Just because you don't think it will work for you does not make the concept ignorant... Ignorance is following the standard American Diet that has brought an increase in autoimmune issues... Ignorance is following any religion simply because you are told to.... Ignorance is believing things that politicians tell you, while you SEE them doing the opposite... Ignorance is doing something without having concrete proof that it is real..... She is FAR from ignorant.... This way of eating has worked wonders for me.... And one of the guys that I have helped along with easing into it....
I have a nice health food store in town where I have found ground beef and bison that have liver and heart ground into the meat. I use that fairly often to make meals and I feel the money is worth it to get the organs easily and not even taste it. In my opinion you will save a lot of money avoiding all the garbage processed food and can spend it on better meat, however, I do spend on regular meat in the stores as well. I only do the health food store meat to provide the liver I don't like to eat.
Dr. Ken Berry says even if all one can afford is bologna and hot dogs that would be better than the typical high carb diet or SAD. And btw, deil meat cheap? Not at my local grocery stores. Deli meat, eaten in moderation is a time saving healthful source of protein. Thanks to Dr. Westman for turning down the dial on fearmongering.
Dr. Ken Berry has debunked most of her fears😅
You're always the voice of reason. Thank you for this video.
I’m glad you did this video because I follow phase I guide of your book and do enjoy deli meats. They are really helpful if I’m in a snacking mood. I also enjoy canned corned beef.
Thanks so much Dr. Westman for this video. I had seen her video and as one of the people who I follow and trust, I immediately felt as if I was doing things wrong and it just didn’t sit right in my heart.
Always well balanced assessment. Thanks again
Yea, the Steak and Butter girl is a snob. She has short-ribs for breakfast. I grew up eating chicken gizzards and hearts because they're cheap. We only had short-ribs once or twice a year on special occasions.
Thanks for that comment. Reminded me, I haven't had chicken gizzards in a looong time. Gonna get me some tomorrow.
The idea that eating genuinely well isn't economical (compared to potential health care costs... or even directly compared to JUST eating so-called "poorly") is what comes out the other end of muddled thinking. Heck, I grew up eating a lot of fish, that I caught myself... but, that don't make me special... just smart. (And I didn't write "don't" cuzza mercury poisoning... cuz there's a smart way to prevent that [which, in fact, has to do with laboratory research that the EPA guidelines on mercury in fish happen to be based on].) Ask yourself, if there was a country that managed to lower its taxes by freely feeding the homeless a carnivore diet, and/or freely feeding school kids a keto diet, such that more got right and on the tax rolls, and were much less of a burden on its health care system, would you even WANT the U.S. to emulate that? Or is your objection to health strivers sort of a ginned-up culture war? Heck, since the one thing our military CAN'T afford is just that kind of emotional "thinking", it is concerned that there aren't enough in-shape potential recruits these days... and so you can bet that THEY would want to emulate that, in order to keep up... and would that be snobbish of 'em?
I buy the best quality food I can afford. I buy organic pasture raised eggs at Walmart for $5.18 a dozen, and their store brand organic grass fed ground beef for less than $6 a pound. Both prices are much better than regular grocery stores.
Good advice thanks!
Great talk! Thanks!
Bella used to have anorexia. I can't help but wonder if some of those old eating disorder belief systems are there. I say this as someone who had atypical anorexia. Carnivore saved me from that awful illness. I try to keep an eye out to see if I'm getting restrictive myself. Not everyone has the money for expensive cuts of meat. I had a tummy bug a few weeks ago and still have some illness and I've eaten chicken wings. It's still good for me. It's still meat. It's definitely not a donut. I buy pepperoni sometimes. So what!? I don't eat it all the time. People have their own journeys. Just eat the meat and cheese, and eggs that you like and can afford. Raw milk has dangers too. People don't know that's how people got tuberculosis. Milk was pasteurised for a reason.
I kinda sorta followed some of her videos, but this video "jumped the shark" for me. I won't bother with Steak & Butter Gal after this. Fear mongering calls her whole message into question.
MSG isn't a bad thing, in fact, it's naturally occurring in many foods. And I agree eggs are a great complete food.
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Truth.
I get the impression from the comments, and I totally agree, that most of us would enjoy being wealthy enough to eat the highest quality animal products.
I do get a bit tired of watching people eat high quality ribeyes on every video. I do enjoy watching ordinary people eat the same foods that I can afford.
I know who you mean. I can't have a steak like that every day. He must spend a lot on food.
thanks for sharing your perspective.
Throw away my Sardines......😕 😳 😕
I only eat the ones packed in water! 🙈
If it's affecting you then try not to eat them.
If you don't have an issue then go for it.
Good luck 🎉
I eat canned sardines nearly every day.
No need to throw them away. Great number of nutrients. 🐟
I'm 68 healthy and my brother is 66 fit mother 86 and we have eaten tinned sardines all our lives❤
Thank you for calm and serious debunking of this rather arrogant lady. Whatever sympathy I had for her position completely evaporated when she admitted that she won't eat offal (organ meats). If you kill an animal, you should really be prepared to eat every part, and I get so cross with people who are unnecessarily squeamish etc. Most of the time people don't know how to cook offal properly, which causes most of the problems.
A lamb kidney and a veal kidney should be cooked very medium rare, and in fact become quite awful if overcooked. A beef kidney is best made into a stew with other beef - it's possible to make a carnivore steak and kidney pie that benefits from a long slow cook. Pigs liver is generally too strong on its own, and is far better being made into a mixed terrine or a pate with other meats, which again is very easy to make completely carnivore save for a couple of seasonings.
Anyone eating carnivore should learn how to make brawn/head cheese from pigs or veal - a fantastic source of collagen etc.
LMAO - she's far from arrogant. She's confident. Why? Because she knows she's right. And more and more people are waking up to the truth that plant based diets are making us all sick and fat. The proof is in the pudding. The only reason the medical and food industries are fighting is so hard is because they will lose profits if more people get healthy, so of course they have no interest in doing a legit study.
Nope. Not me. Not now. Not ever.
You don't have a right to tell others what to eat. You are as arrogant as you claim Bella is!
She was militant Vegan for years before she went Carnivore. She uses clickbait and fear mongering to push her opinions. I believe she means well but, sadly, she's not the only one in the carnivore community that does this. There are better people to follow if you need guidance when starting and staying on a keto carnivore diet.
She’s gotten me before on clickbait titles. It only takes a couple of times before I lose respect for a content creator.
Great information.. Thank you..
This is so balanced. Thank you!
I’ll decide for myself. Sardines and salmon in tins seems okay to me. They also have the bones for some extra calcium. I always check ingredients anyway. 👋🏻🇦🇺
As always Dr Westman you are just so sensible and practical, thanks for the terrific videos.. Always my go to.....
Fear mongering to the max.
Yep. Stir up some controversy for the clicks.
I've been concerned about her channel (and now she has a club) because my BS detector went off a few times. The examples in this video seem pretty hyperbolic.
PS: Over five years in past starting keto, the more I see your videos the more I respect your channel, over just about all others. You seem to be a "true scientist." This one video in particular really hits the target with regard to suggested extreme versions of nutrition with sketchy benefit (though it may be great for a particular n=1.)
Thank you. ‘so objectionable the lecturing / hectoring from S&Butter & others; ‘grateful for your reasoned & rational analyses - you encourage, never shame.
Thanks Dr. Westman! Appreciate your review of this video and all you do. She doesn't like what I eat. Good to know from a physician it's all ok to eat. Love S&B Gal. Just like everyone on the internet, it's OK to disagree.
I regularly eat deli meats. Right next door to local butcher, is my local charcuterie. All of the meat he uses is from local farms (
Another great video, thank you!
Canned meat is always good to have on hand, in case of an emergency.
I watch the you and Dr Berry and tap on other doctors. Influencers are always there. I watch them once in a while, sometimes they have a good idea. We are all different also, what one person likes is not always good for another. I like a small side of veg and keep below 20g carbs a day and eat lots of fat and beef, pork, chicken, seafood, eggs, cream, butter, cottage cheese. Sometimes the meat and eggs are pasture, sometimes not. Losing weight fast.
Thank you Dr.
I agree with the notion that those on a budget and opting for cheap eggs and the deli meats when compared to the S.A.D. it's at better and if that's what you can afford make due. However if possible when you can maybe buy a dozen pasture raised eggs and a dozen cheap eggs and combine them. Been on pastured raised eggs for a long time break 20+ daily fast with them. Maybe what I'm feeling is all in my head who knows. But yeah if you're budget doesn't easily allow it make due with what you have
I love how patient Dr. Westman is in this video.
If this is reflective and indicative of his teaching style, I’d say he’s an excellent teacher. I’m sure students and patients are not afraid or intimidated to bring up concerns or ask for clarification, therefore resulting in a more well-informed learner or patient.
I like SBG's channel, have learned much, great recipes. But I don't eat anything raw. In fact, eliminating dairy and eggs has, in my particular case, had some beneficial results. You do have to watch out for deli meats that include high fructose corn syrup, but beef franks once a week haven't harmed me yet.
I'm enjoying your evolution Eric, one of my favorite youtube doctors.
Thankyou Dr 👏
I like canned Vienna sausages as a snack. And, I love that they’re small and portable so they’re great for traveling. Same with sardines.
I just had beef liver and onions a few days ago and it was delicious!🤤
Steak and butter gal has become very confident as the number of her subscribers went up.
She certainly has helped many people, BUT lets not forget that she is a pianist and not a qualified doctor/scientist/nutrition nutritionist.
Most nutritionists are full of s-t, so let’s not throw that requirement at our her. After all, the vast majority of so called nutritionists say we’re killing ourselves with our lifestyle.
She is definitely fear mongering! We need to eat what we can afford and concentrate on protein and lowering the carbs. Thanks for clarifying and rebutting her arguments.
Dr. Ken Berry has a video on the myth of Nitrites and Nitrates where he goes over this. He points out that some plants have up to 10 times the Nitrites and Nitrates and our body's make them as well. He also has a video about can foods. She is correct about some that have sugar and seed oils that are not derisible. Organ meats she is wrong and right. I would agree on the pills and not the other. Now about milk she has a point there. So for me that 1 out of 5 that I would agree with.
I’d rather see folks eating deli meats than macaroni and cheese! Plus keep in mind a lot of people live on a strict budget and wieners are better than French fries, etc.
I’m 67 raised in the south. It is amazing how the taste of store bought eggs have changed. Just thought I’d say that
Thank you Dr. Westman. I appreciate your rebuttal. I could never afford her way. Good for her but definitely unattainable by me.
Dr. Westman is the man