Where are the Kirk crusaders that said we would not win games without Kirk? The fact is we were winning games before he arrived and clearly winning more games without him. That fan base was only interested in Kirk not the Vikings.
My prediction is. Sam signs a two-year $70 million deal with the Vikings. He plays one year for the Vikings and gets traded to the Rams once Stafford retires. The Rams are a perfect fit, the same schemes and culture.
@@Score1more- that's not a Cousins contract. Who is our backup if Sam walks? What is their plan for Dan Jones? To get a comp pick for him he has to have been on the active roster.
I see 2 teams where the defense swarms Det flying in with wild abandon, chaos, trying to punish( Tom's of injuries) Min swarming but focused and controlled like zen masters(healthy) Dies any one agree
People are reluctant to admit that Darnold is a better quarterback than he's been given credit for. He never got good training and coaching till he was a backup with the 49ners. He has drastically improved since then. He has natural talent, an arm, he can move, and he's physically robust. Why not polish this diamond too instead of putting all your hopes and plans on JJ MacCarthy.
I xo think its worth mentioning, how impactful, not only KOC and Flores is, but really how huge the Josh McCown as a QB coach was. Really excited when i saw we made that move, and really, i think has done an amazing, amazing job.
You really can’t blame Turner for struggling to get early playing time. We’ve had 3 edge rushers in the top 10 for sacks for most of the season. But you can’t teach the speed and bend he showed on that sack. The guy literally hit a knee and didn’t slow down at all. The tackle didn’t have a chance. He’s gonna be a stud.
Absolutely! I don’t blame Turner one bit. It’s an advanced defensive scheme which utilizes many different nuances, difficult to digest and execute for any rookie. Which makes Ivan Pace’s early success even more unbelievable. But again, I feel a sense of relief to get something-anything from a first round pick. Treadwell, Hughes, Bradbury(hasn’t performed like a top 20 pick), Gladney and Cine have given me a complex lol
It was the set ups. Vikings first use the passing set up the running. Then set up passing by running. Then st up running by passing again, etc. in order to be successful in the P-U and U-P quarter after quarter Vikings found Sam Donald and his coach KOC!
You had a 7-10 team who missed kirk for 9gms, , JJ missed 7 gms, your RB was Mattison/TJ, upgraded with A Jones, Lose hunter,DJ wonnum but get more depth/versatility in blue chippers Van Ginkle,Cashman,Grenard , question was going to get the sack level up to and beyond those losses(24.5sacks) the trio is at 23 plus P Jones has surprised and is at 7sack so yeah surpassed sack total plus more coverage DEPTH DEPTH DEPTH ADDED Gilmore, new better kicker + sub who have already kicked more consistent esp longer kicks ,4 more FG+ 3 exp pt with 3 more gms to go
JS clearly intended to say "exacerbate". It was never a question of whether he said a real word or not; he said the wrong word, which is a different question. These semantics have ended.
I'm curious what u two think, what does KOC have up his sleeves, holding back till playoffs or maybe week 18....are we going to see more Aaron Jones more?? Plays??
@DanielToske haha seriously they look like dumbasses. The best thing for Kirk playing wise was taking a massive pay cut and staying with KOC but I would take that money if I was Kirk too 😂.
@@DanielToske you're right, Kirk did perform. He took an NFC championship-caliber team and drove them down to 1 playoff appearance in 6 years. He performed, not succeeded. He performed in Washington, too.
I remember two months ago after a 5-0 start, Kevin Seifert came on this podcast and claimed it’s realistic for Vikings to go 5-7 in final 12 games and finish 10-7 and this podcast host gave him no push back. He just nodded in agreement lol
The take on Caleb is excessively negative. Putting the losses on the shoulders of a rookie QB is unfair. He is talented; Chicago is a mess. Eberflus already had a terrible record and couldn't do anything with Justin Fields, but they kept him anyway. People forget the selling point for Ryan Poles was "he fixed the KC O-line in one offseason." Yet, Chicago still has a terrible O-line after 3 years. Caleb has been hit so many times that he is already broken. For his sake, hopefully not permanently.
to be honest, i had the vikings13-4 each year since KOC took over...last year the turnovers doomed my 13-4 prediction...i think the vikings will end 15-2
@@laredolassoo that drop was big, if he catches it there’s no int and Darnold’s passing rating would have been near 100 again. He was a little off but he made some clutch 3rd and long conversions and managed the game fairly well.
I mean I think it’s wild that the packers still have a higher chance to win the nfc north than the Vikes. They need the Vikes and Lions to lose out and then tie head to head while the win out. Like I dunno.
It doesn't matter if Sam darnold wins the Super bowl. The Vikings aren't going to bring him back. They're not going to pay $45 to 50 million dollars for a qb.... Only to have him beat out of the starting job by JJ McCarthy next spring. A lot of people think JJ would have beaten him out this year. It's KOC that's doing the magic here. Love sammy, but JJ is just better.
So you're implying Eberflus shouldn't have been fired? You're implying the Bears are bad because of Williams? This is such a dumb take. Yes his demeanor sucked this game but put yourself in his shoes... he plays for a crappy coaching staff most of the year and now he's coached by a guy thrust into the role... not to mention he plays in a division that has 3... THREE teams with 10+ wins after 15 games. He's going to be a good QB.
Or if things continue on the typical Chicago arc, he will be a backup at SF/MN/LA/GB in four years learning behind another QB how to actually play the position.
Wait you guys just say Darnold was drafted 1st rd for a reason, but dog Caleb? Make it make since. He is a Rookie... I've seen enough in Caleb that I'd take him over JJ McCarthy right now with KOC
@@danielbreid8439 I know this...everyone knows this....I was talking about the discussion.....they left the Eagles out....the Eagles are VERY much a factor in the #1 seed. I don't see the Vikings nor DET winning out. Eagles have a better shot.
I think when you consider the visceral contempt for Sam Darnold the national media has had for the last few years, as well as the preseason Vegas prognosticators putting the Vikings at 6.5 wins because of their QB, that Darnold has overcome more this year than any other player and should be the hands down MVP. He is still the reason no one outside of some Viking's fans and the team itself that believes in the Vikings … and he is still getting hate from mainstream shows this week. Yet, he still keeps plugging along leading a 12-2 team. A lot of players and the coaching staff of this team are the reason for their record, yet without Sam’s play they wouldn’t be this good.
Vegas wasn't wrong to expect Darnold to suck because I expected him to suck and I'm the greatest evaluator of football talent in the world. KOC should have won the Coach of the year when he made Kirk 13-4 and he definitely should get it for making Sam look good. The Vikings need to tag and trade Sam and roll with JJ and the competitive advantage of having no expensive QB. STACK THE ROSTER AND WIN A SUPERBOWL!
Drake Maye isn’t balling 😂 Caleb is significantly better than him, he hasn’t played as awful as you claim, his stats are good but his flaw, minus the awful coaching, is he’s indecisive and not seeing the game fast enough. He tore thru Minnesota a month ago and now they saying he’s trash and a quittter 🤔 If they would have won that Washington game, the whole season would have played out differently, he’s fixable and many coaches would be willing to take that challenge.
Sports Illustrated, Vegas, Steven A. These are some of the Haters of the Vikings Sports illustrated couldn’t pick a Super Bowl winner if their life depended on it.
Where are the Kirk crusaders that said we would not win games without Kirk? The fact is we were winning games before he arrived and clearly winning more games without him. That fan base was only interested in Kirk not the Vikings.
Nobody though Darnold was any good, and the narrative indicated Flores D was exposed, just very lazy analysis.
My prediction is. Sam signs a two-year $70 million deal with the Vikings. He plays one year for the Vikings and gets traded to the Rams once Stafford retires. The Rams are a perfect fit, the same schemes and culture.
Then they should franchise tag him because if he gets hurt in year 1 mn is on the hook for year 2 with no trade partner
Yea you won’t see them doing anymore Kurt Cousins contracts
@@Score1more- that's not a Cousins contract. Who is our backup if Sam walks? What is their plan for Dan Jones? To get a comp pick for him he has to have been on the active roster.
@roryolson61 they are gonna put jones on the roster week 17 most likely
The QB rehab laughs were amazing 😂
I see 2 teams where the defense swarms
Det flying in with wild abandon, chaos, trying to punish( Tom's of injuries)
Min swarming but focused and controlled like zen masters(healthy)
Dies any one agree
If the secondary can find consistency, that the key.
People are reluctant to admit that Darnold is a better quarterback than he's been given credit for. He never got good training and coaching till he was a backup with the 49ners. He has drastically improved since then. He has natural talent, an arm, he can move, and he's physically robust. Why not polish this diamond too instead of putting all your hopes and plans on JJ MacCarthy.
So many media people talk about pumpkin 🎃 watch .. it makes me wonder what games they are watching probably stuck in the past
I xo think its worth mentioning, how impactful, not only KOC and Flores is, but really how huge the Josh McCown as a QB coach was. Really excited when i saw we made that move, and really, i think has done an amazing, amazing job.
BREAKING… We actually got some production out of a first rounder! I feel a lot better about Dallas Turner after MNF😅
He's going to be the next Danielle Hunter. Hunter didn't start right away either.
You really can’t blame Turner for struggling to get early playing time. We’ve had 3 edge rushers in the top 10 for sacks for most of the season. But you can’t teach the speed and bend he showed on that sack. The guy literally hit a knee and didn’t slow down at all. The tackle didn’t have a chance. He’s gonna be a stud.
Absolutely! I don’t blame Turner one bit. It’s an advanced defensive scheme which utilizes many different nuances, difficult to digest and execute for any rookie. Which makes Ivan Pace’s early success even more unbelievable. But again, I feel a sense of relief to get something-anything from a first round pick. Treadwell, Hughes, Bradbury(hasn’t performed like a top 20 pick), Gladney and Cine have given me a complex lol
It was the set ups. Vikings first use the passing set up the running. Then set up passing by running. Then st up running by passing again, etc. in order to be successful in the P-U and U-P quarter after quarter Vikings found Sam Donald and his coach KOC!
44 Mettalus is balling too!!
You had a 7-10 team who missed kirk for 9gms, , JJ missed 7 gms, your RB was Mattison/TJ, upgraded with A Jones,
Lose hunter,DJ wonnum but get more depth/versatility in blue chippers Van Ginkle,Cashman,Grenard , question was going to get the sack level up to and beyond those losses(24.5sacks) the trio is at 23 plus P Jones has surprised and is at 7sack so yeah surpassed sack total plus more coverage DEPTH DEPTH DEPTH
ADDED Gilmore, new better kicker + sub who have already kicked more consistent esp longer kicks ,4 more FG+ 3 exp pt with 3 more gms to go
JS clearly intended to say "exacerbate". It was never a question of whether he said a real word or not; he said the wrong word, which is a different question. These semantics have ended.
I'm curious what u two think, what does KOC have up his sleeves, holding back till playoffs or maybe week 18....are we going to see more Aaron Jones more?? Plays??
I'm waiting for him to use a guard as a fullback! How about hock n ladder?
He’s gonna use Daniel Jones for some trick plays
Well it took ATL 14ish weeks to do what it took the Vikings 6 years and 3 contracts to do
TBF, I think Kirk is still hurt. With that said, good for the Falcons for figuring it out.
And yet they guaranteed a 36 yo QB 100 Mill and he washed out in 14 weeks. Kirk performed for MN. Let's not pretend that's a win for ATL.
@DanielToske haha seriously they look like dumbasses. The best thing for Kirk playing wise was taking a massive pay cut and staying with KOC but I would take that money if I was Kirk too 😂.
@@DanielToske you're right, Kirk did perform. He took an NFC championship-caliber team and drove them down to 1 playoff appearance in 6 years. He performed, not succeeded. He performed in Washington, too.
Vegas underestimated KOC's ability to "fix" Darnold
He was getting a s*** beat out of him.He didn't quit on his team
He's a good quarterback on paper.
Just can't perform under pressure.
I remember two months ago after a 5-0 start, Kevin Seifert came on this podcast and claimed it’s realistic for Vikings to go 5-7 in final 12 games and finish 10-7 and this podcast host gave him no push back. He just nodded in agreement lol
Didn’t the 9ers sign Dobbs? So we kinda traded backups right?
Atlanta just announced that they are benching Kirk cousins for Michael penic jr
Why ?
@@Score1more If you saw Kirk play in the last 4-5 weeks, it's not a question.
You guys had me laughing way too much
The problem is, nobody gave Flo ANY credit. He hand picked those FA’s for HIS shit, and that’s why the defense is amazing.
Caleb reminds me of cam Newton balled up on the sideline or towel over the head every loss
The take on Caleb is excessively negative. Putting the losses on the shoulders of a rookie QB is unfair. He is talented; Chicago is a mess. Eberflus already had a terrible record and couldn't do anything with Justin Fields, but they kept him anyway. People forget the selling point for Ryan Poles was "he fixed the KC O-line in one offseason." Yet, Chicago still has a terrible O-line after 3 years. Caleb has been hit so many times that he is already broken. For his sake, hopefully not permanently.
They’re gonna have to play like never before to earn that 1 seed
to be honest, i had the vikings13-4 each year since KOC took over...last year the turnovers doomed my 13-4 prediction...i think the vikings will end 15-2
I wish we were playing the Lions next, we would shred them.
Sam was feeling the pressure of MNF, whole country watching. IMO
Maybe. He missed a handful of throws. Could easily have 2 more TDs if Jefferson holds on and Stevenson doesn't shove Addison down.
@@laredolassoo that drop was big, if he catches it there’s no int and Darnold’s passing rating would have been near 100 again. He was a little off but he made some clutch 3rd and long conversions and managed the game fairly well.
Let the Vikings sign Williams and put him on our practice squad
Hard pass
NYET wants sideline 800. Vikings NFL Sidelines messed up/18 mnths.
Packers at green bay Are formidab le..They will put extra effort in "bringing us down"...So, they will be a real challenge .cautiously optimistic
We beat then in Lambeau
They play here next
Darnold was rattled...it's why his passes were high...that's what he does when he gets pressured a lot and hit a lot after throwing.
I mean I think it’s wild that the packers still have a higher chance to win the nfc north than the Vikes. They need the Vikes and Lions to lose out and then tie head to head while the win out. Like I dunno.
?
Letting Joseph walk
@7:34 so funny
Same reason why Shady isn't taking the Vikings seriously _today_ -- Vegas, and many others, don't believe in Sam Darnold.
Jeremiah Sirles sounds just like Seth Rogan!
Need to stop the run and pass better
It doesn't matter if Sam darnold wins the Super bowl. The Vikings aren't going to bring him back. They're not going to pay $45 to 50 million dollars for a qb.... Only to have him beat out of the starting job by JJ McCarthy next spring. A lot of people think JJ would have beaten him out this year. It's KOC that's doing the magic here. Love sammy, but JJ is just better.
so is caleb a failure? what do these experts think?
So you're implying Eberflus shouldn't have been fired? You're implying the Bears are bad because of Williams? This is such a dumb take. Yes his demeanor sucked this game but put yourself in his shoes... he plays for a crappy coaching staff most of the year and now he's coached by a guy thrust into the role... not to mention he plays in a division that has 3... THREE teams with 10+ wins after 15 games. He's going to be a good QB.
Or if things continue on the typical Chicago arc, he will be a backup at SF/MN/LA/GB in four years learning behind another QB how to actually play the position.
Wait you guys just say Darnold was drafted 1st rd for a reason, but dog Caleb? Make it make since. He is a Rookie... I've seen enough in Caleb that I'd take him over JJ McCarthy right now with KOC
BOB Thar Crane now a days if built yes "Move A Mountain". Bethany Hme skippet.
You guys are forgetting about the Eagles...who are better than the Vikings for #1 seed.
Vikings and Eagles win out the Vikings come in ahead of Philly on Strength of Schedule.
@@danielbreid8439 I know this...everyone knows this....I was talking about the discussion.....they left the Eagles out....the Eagles are VERY much a factor in the #1 seed. I don't see the Vikings nor DET winning out. Eagles have a better shot.
I think when you consider the visceral contempt for Sam Darnold the national media has had for the last few years, as well as the preseason Vegas prognosticators putting the Vikings at 6.5 wins because of their QB, that Darnold has overcome more this year than any other player and should be the hands down MVP. He is still the reason no one outside of some Viking's fans and the team itself that believes in the Vikings … and he is still getting hate from mainstream shows this week. Yet, he still keeps plugging along leading a 12-2 team. A lot of players and the coaching staff of this team are the reason for their record, yet without Sam’s play they wouldn’t be this good.
Sirles is coping hard about the lions still being the top team
WHOEVER THIS HIPPIE IS, HE NEEDS TO RECOGNIZE REAL!
Vegas wasn't wrong to expect Darnold to suck because I expected him to suck and I'm the greatest evaluator of football talent in the world. KOC should have won the Coach of the year when he made Kirk 13-4 and he definitely should get it for making Sam look good. The Vikings need to tag and trade Sam and roll with JJ and the competitive advantage of having no expensive QB. STACK THE ROSTER AND WIN A SUPERBOWL!
Drake Maye isn’t balling 😂 Caleb is significantly better than him, he hasn’t played as awful as you claim, his stats are good but his flaw, minus the awful coaching, is he’s indecisive and not seeing the game fast enough. He tore thru Minnesota a month ago and now they saying he’s trash and a quittter 🤔 If they would have won that Washington game, the whole season would have played out differently, he’s fixable and many coaches would be willing to take that challenge.
Get extra kids gloves and tissue paper
Sports Illustrated, Vegas, Steven A. These are some of the Haters of the Vikings Sports illustrated couldn’t pick a Super Bowl winner if their life depended on it.
It’s a word but he didn’t use it correctly.
Exzuberate??? WTF?