I feel there's a lot you're missing out here Peachy: the assembly of the models takes time (and glue), then there's the time to remove all of the horrendous mold lines. Priming takes time and more money. All of this before you've even begun to paint.
@@Billson1701 fair. But in general I see this with a lot of commission painters. I have commission painted for 1.5 years as supplemental income and have raised my prices 3x (~every 6months) as the material costs and the sheer time associated with commission can be rather large and generally people are underpaid for the amount of work that goes into these projects. I am fortunate that my clients have understood but it is tough starting out to charge a valid rate for any commission.
@@Billson1701 even in GBP £3 a mini at 3 an hour is less than you'd get working minimum wage without factoring in the cost of paints, brushes, palette sheets ets
@@barfjavelin The (practical) minimum wage around where I live is $15-18 USD/hour. I would literally make 50% more money per hour standing behind the counter of my local gas station than Peachy would make at £3/model. It's a great price for the client, especially for the relatively high quality of Peachy's speedpainting, but it's hard to see how this could be worth the time, much less the materials cost for anyone living in the US or Britain.
1:59 if your paying yourself £3 per mini, and 20 minutes a mini, you're already paying yourself below UK minimum wage before you even factor in materials. And your £8ph dreadnought is even worse!!
This video gives a bad view on commission painting. You’re not going to be able to make a living off the prices/times in the video, unless you live in certain areas of the world. Videos like this also hurt actual full time commission painters by giving people the idea that it’s cheap to get models done.
Exactly. Painters need to work off a skilled labourer's charge. Minimum wage, plus the skilled labour, plus the materials. It's going to be around £17 per hour.
"Cheers Andy" -> made me rewind, haha. Really interesting video and my favourite yet to be honest. As someone who's newer to the hobby I haven't paid much attention to the world of commission painting. This also hurt me on new levels when the contemptor only took you an hour and looks better than anything I can do in triple that… Looks like hard work to make it work when you factor in what you covered in this video as well as the fact that commission painters need to do regular business things like spending time advertising (people don't just land on your lap), updating socials, communicating with clients around wants/needs, probably fixing broken minis on occasion when they arrive in the post - you can see why the studios have to charge what they do to make things viable.
I would love to see you expand that contemptor paint process to other vehicles and colour schemes. It's really powerful and I'm certain other combinations exist - maybe an opportunity to claim a standard approach like slapchop?
As in, if you standardise that approach as a set of paints and colours for each mainstream chapter you might be able to popularise it as "slap peach" or something.
Love Peachy's flex of doing awesome paint jobs with brushes that don't have pointy tips. Seriously, he's becoming my favorite painter. Seeing this video, makes me want to set a goal for myself to paint some minis to put up for sale before the end of the year.
I think many people will generally have un-realistic expectations of what they’ll get for commission painting. If you think of £3 a mini meaning the painter has to do 3 an hour, then Peachy’s results here are great for that time spend (obviously, Peachy is much better than most at getting good looking minis quickly). But if someone’s mindset is ‘I’ve paid £300 for this army to get painted, it should look good!’, then I think they might be looking for more than what Peachy has done here, no matter how unrealistic that is for the number of hours spent.
It was very interesting to see the perspective of a former Army Painter on commission. I'd be genuinely curious if the gents could have a conversation with a professional commission painter (perhaps from Siege?) on the podcast
'Siege Studios' isn't a good example at all because James has built the company as an E-brand through the collaborations with content creators. It's not JUST a commission painting service. You're paying for the name of 'Siege Studios' as well as the end result. James saw that massive gap in the market and completely filled it when the likes of 'Awaken Realms' failed.
@@thepaintingphase James Otero? That will be awesome between his days at Artis Opus and now at Siege Studios. Did an airbrush course with him at Element Games and it was amazingly worth the money.
I do commission painting to support my hobby and not take from my regular paycheck to fund my fun. The conversation with the client as to how much effort and what level to paint the commission is crucial. At the end of the day, even with how much I enjoy painting, I want to feel like it was worth my time. I tend to be selective with what I want to work on as well to stay motivated through it, but I can do that because food on my table doesn't depend on my painting. I wouldn't do it full time, I think it would ruin the fun aspect of it when you're bound by deadlines and volume of work. If I don't feel the mood or inspiration one night, or just tired, I can choose not to paint and hobby in some other way
Great video guys. I know you have data that shows you get more engagement with the chats vs painting, but I really love the painting videos. Keep it up!
I’ve been commission painting for about 3 years now, with currently taking a break due to uni. Everything you said in here rings completely true. Your thoughts are totally correct My biggest downfall with commission painting is that I’ve always gone above and beyond with the commissions I’ve done because I use it as a way to pay for my hobby not as a business 🤷♂️ always undercharge people 😅
@PaintsOnA4Up thing is is it really a downfall, bonus to commission is it is what you want it to be, so everyone has different goals for why they do it, so if your doing it to enjoy the hobby and just fund some of your own stuff, then undercharging isnt a terrible thing as its not your job
That was great and what a terrific selection of miniatures you got to paint! Definitely inspired me to just knock out some minis with simple but effective schemes. Love your content folks!
I am currently working on my second batch of 3 battlesuits. Using what i've learned on the 1st batch of 3 i've cut down the time to finish, but it still took a literal week to snip, clean, magnetize and prime everything. Another week to paint all 3 to my standards. All in all probably 2 weeks per 3 battlesuits fully magnetized, 56 magnets to be exact.
Awesome video, the Praetorians always strike a chord with me since i frst ever saw them released. The lore and reference to real life Rorke's Drift / Big Toof River is very dynamic and well done by GW. Being an ex Royal Welsh infantry soldier i am also heavily sentimental and invested in the actual history of my former regiment. So massive well done and respect for your effort on those minis!
That was amazing to see, really enjoyed seeing the thought process around time vs quality, and you making speed painting look so easy with good end results.
was searching painting phase videos for a krieg tutorial the other day so this has pleased me very much. i love straight forward paint jobs with a handful of paints and techniques. then i can build and put my flourishes on top. keep it up guys.
Great vid again guys! Its not an easy job. I do a bit, but have the luxury of having a full time job and being able to pick what I do on the most part.
Really awesome video - thank you! I know you said you wished you could do more, but the style you have here is really what I shoot for when painting my own stuff, and seeing your method is really helpful.
Good job on those in the time spent! I've done some work for Wardaddy in the past, always decent to work for. Some of my stuff is on his shop now I think.
Great show again, thank you, gents.fascinating that peachy with all those years of painting expertise has the mind games that come into effect whilst painting and such really interesting
Like how you valued each model. Not on how many paints of effort but time vs $. The challenge of personal standards vs commission is also a nice piece.
As someone who commission paints you could easily charge 2.5 - 3 X for each of these. Ideal to do as a side hustle to pay for special holiday or a new bit of tech.
Haha! Also as this was a one off, and done using wardaddiescosts, low I know but he needs to make Profit too. it’s been highlighted a few times in the comments, I didn’t take into consideration other costs like paints, brushes, primer etc. so that’s certainly something you’ll want to look at when going on this venture. Cheers as always Peachy
@@thepaintingphase It was super useful honestly and has encouraged me if anything so cheers for that. This is definitely the time when painting efficiently comes into play which you have a wealth of experience with. The key one is finding that all over wash which works with the colours you're using. I'll definitely be utilising that one more. Cheers Peachy.
I couldn't be a commission painter due to the fact that to be profitable you would have to charge an amount comparable to a decent setup for a hobbyist painter. I got a quote for a W40K Titan, it was about £400 which I didn't think was unreasonable at all, but I chose to buy the stuff myself and learn how to paint. So I went from wanting to have a Titan as a kind of statue for my gaming (P.C. and Xbox) space to being consumed by miniatures. Now computer games don't even get a look 🤣 never been happier! Although sitting here now, having drunk a bottle and a half of Baileys and inhaling the glue... I'm questioning my existence 🤣
Great video. As a commission painter who works full time I always struggle with the concept of how much time I spend on each commission vs quality of paint job! I need to start timing how long I take to complete each order.
I love painting as a hobby and as a nightly stress reliever. I have done a few commissioned projects and found I didn't enjoy the process for all of the reasons Chris mentions on the video; you always are bouncing between wanting to improve the quality of the work you can output while knowing that you aren't being paid for the extra effort (in both cases the commissioner wanted to stay to a very low budget).
Great video as always, makes me want to pick up the paint brush ASAP :). An idea for a short video - hearing once again "trusty Black Legion" - maybe Peachy could go over his all time favorite paints and what he uses them for? I'm gathering this stuff over a few videos now (great tip with Pro Acryl White BTW, thx
I'm not the only one who gets excited by metal miniatures! I should do. Most of my squats are metal . A pink undercoat for yellow is a new one on me. But I suppose it works in the same way as pink for a red finish.
You know I’ll be honest at first I looked at these and thought wow low level for you. But once all based and all together I actually thought wow how great they looked! Soo good job MR!
Cheers! I mean it was pretty much 20 minutes per mini, so your not getting awesome results in that time…..with a brush, thought I would add that just incase any airbrushers dropped by to correct me 😅
That’s where I’m at, too. I’ll do occasional commissions if they really interest me, but could never do it full time I don’t think. I need to be having fun and it would kill me to do it for any other reason.
Really interesting insight into commission painting, from the outside it can look really easy! (Get paid to paint models ) but in reality it's like any job.....
Ive been doing commissions for a while now and i specialise in character pieces mostly to eavy metal box art standard. Its pretty niche but that hasn't been a problem so far. The experience with clients is either one end of the scale or the other, never really in between. They either understand what they're asking for and know the time involved in doing it, or they have absolutely no idea and get really aggressive and rude about the prices. I think because there's no qualifications involved people don't appreciate the time and money spent to get to the level of painting required. Literal thousands of hours of practice, Airbrushes, compressors, hundreds of paints, brushes that are seeing a huge increase in price recently, glues, tools. The overheads are actually massive when you really break it down. And people will still get rude when you inform them that a single space marine painted to the same standard as the eavy metal team will take more than an hour of work.
Not the responsibility of the commission painter to redo poor modelling work submitted by the client. Properly cleaning mold lines off the old 2ed metals can take *hours*, especially when they cross faces or other details that aren't easy to scrape. Unless something in the job specifically says otherwise Peachy was right to treat these models the same as someone would treat a submission of assembled plastics: ready to prime.
Is there any chance we can get a photo of the paint and manufacturer whenever you paint? As someone unfamiliar with the various ranges and shades it’s sometimes hard to hear what you’re using. The shade paint that binds everything together is called Targo Raid Shade? (Sometimes it sounds like taco raid shade) I can’t find it anywhere 😅
Great video, I think coming from the studio team would help you with the speed, discipline and detachment needed to do commissions. Do you think you could do it with instructions on schemes etc or would you prefer to have free rein in colour choice etc? ......im now looking at my pile of shame and thinking of when I can offload it to Peachy to paint : )
Great video and topic! I will have to note tho, that as a commission painter, you can define the type of clientele and work that you're actually interested in. Especially as you amass more skills and practice. For example, I personally don't do armies. I don't have the patience for the monotony, so I focus specifically on characters, creatures, vehicles and elite units. Which has oddly gotten me into all kinds of painting projects I wouldn't have expected, such as retouching action figures or painting collectables from things outside of wargaming (larger film/anime figurines). Whether as a commissioned generalist or specialist, you should find a niche that you enjoy. It'll make the eventual grind of always working on someone else's stuff more fun for you. If you're committed to the work for pay, invest in yourself with good tools and spending your time learning techniques that maximize your time and effort, like pulling from the more traditional model or railroad hobbies. There's a wealth of knowledge out there that can help you make amazing looking paintjobs with minimal effort. There's nothing like knocking someone's socks off for a price they felt was fair (and not committing so much time that you lose money). Happy painting!
It's an interesting question and something I've often wondered about myself... I know there's a market out there, but just 'how' much are people really prepared to pay for an army they might not keep... it might be worth doing another video on this using the Leviathan boxset when it comes out... paint to a high level and see how much you can sell it for?
Great job on the Contemptor Dreadnought! You primed it pink with what primer? and you zenithal primed it with white afterwards? it looks more white on the top than pink. And have you tried Ratling Grimes for machine parts, instead of Black Legions? It works wonders!
Me looking at the chipping on the dreadnought from a distance: "that looks better than the chipping I did on my Riptide that I spent round about 20x as much time on...."
Very valuable comments by Peachy regarding standards and the 'i must do better and more' and the struggle of working to what has been PAID for .. you dont get Emirates 1st class for Ryanair offseason special fare!
I paint minis for people, but keep my prices pretty much down to pocket money prices for the younger people, but some adults have asked me to paint their minis up to Golden Demon Gold winning standard, but only want to pay €2-€4 per mini, for what, at the standard they expect, would take around 200-400 hours of work, not taking into account cleaning up/assembly/mounting materials, which is sheer stupidity on their end of things. I don't make much from my painting, but the access to painting minis I don't normally paint, as well as seeing what's new in the hobby (As well as some seriously classic minis they find on Ebay) keeps me inspired, is a nice challenge for my skills, and all my customers go away happy at the end, so all's well :-) I honestly doubt I could ever be a full-time professional painter, as then I'd be just painting for profit, and have no time to paint what I like/collect for myself, and that would kill my love for the hobby I've been in for just over 50 years now. Some professional painters have entire studios/staff working for their services, but if you're just a one-painter service, unless you've got customers who are able to pay a serious amount of money per hour of work done on their minis, it's just not really feasible, when you take into account the costs just to start up, as well as taxes and other such deductions from the income you'll be getting.
Interesting video - did you cost in the materials you used too? I could never do this as 'day' job. Nice work though and really helps as a general hobbyist seeking table toip standard too.
Ive started doing commission painting this year and yeah it is really hard to balance that standard vs time. Pricing is also very hard =/ I am yet to make a profit haha but I have painted 234 models so far! But yeah it is really hard. I most likely wont be able to do it as a fulltime job, but as a side hussle sure.
Great video. Just received my first commission from wardaddy too. Just to build experience painting different things with different schemes and to earn a few quid on the side. I'll be taking a few of your tips for sure! 🤘😎🔥
As quite a few people mentioned, pricing here is really cheap,because you just based it on labour. Materials, taxes (if you do it as a professional), and all kind of random stuff (Packaging, time communicating with the costumer, and so on) can never be covered with a proce like that
I really like the fact, that you went realistic with paintjob in terms of how much I pay for it (3Pounderinos per model) and it's not like super awesome golden demon standard suddenly, but just legit decent gooood paintjob using contrasts and spray undercoats. I'm considering starting some commishion paintings and struggle with pricing my works... still working on that topic. One thing about this whole project I migh missed you talking - How long it took you to assemble those Kriegsman? Have you added that time to total time of doing that commishion? Cutting out of sprue, cleaning and assembling might take more than 20 minutes per model...
Initially the krieg were built for us, but due to a logistics error, I had to build a second set to film, which only took an hour, glad you found the vid insightful
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Peachy's doing commission painting now? *gets out pile of shame* I'll take out a loan!... Also any chance I could borrow a van?
Peachy, why do you sound normal now? Was gw paying you to talk like ya had your shit pushed in?
Every time you said “Pale Sand” I anticipated you’d summon a wild Dana Howel.
😂😂😂 I’m always trying to summon a Dana…..one day 🤞
Or Icy Winters even !
@@shauntaylor9251 Aka "The Bully" haha
Gotta love a bit of Dana.
witch is the true pale sand ? AK or GW ? I got the AK one lol
I feel there's a lot you're missing out here Peachy: the assembly of the models takes time (and glue), then there's the time to remove all of the horrendous mold lines. Priming takes time and more money. All of this before you've even begun to paint.
Went very cheap on the commission price. $3-4 /mini is going to kill you with overhead costs like paint/brushes ect.
It British Pounds not USD, granted they are not far off and converted to USD it's like an extra $12 for the job.
@@Billson1701 fair. But in general I see this with a lot of commission painters. I have commission painted for 1.5 years as supplemental income and have raised my prices 3x (~every 6months) as the material costs and the sheer time associated with commission can be rather large and generally people are underpaid for the amount of work that goes into these projects. I am fortunate that my clients have understood but it is tough starting out to charge a valid rate for any commission.
@@Billson1701 12$ is barely anything, when top tier comission painters can easily charge that or more per basic unit.
@@Billson1701 even in GBP £3 a mini at 3 an hour is less than you'd get working minimum wage without factoring in the cost of paints, brushes, palette sheets ets
@@barfjavelin The (practical) minimum wage around where I live is $15-18 USD/hour. I would literally make 50% more money per hour standing behind the counter of my local gas station than Peachy would make at £3/model. It's a great price for the client, especially for the relatively high quality of Peachy's speedpainting, but it's hard to see how this could be worth the time, much less the materials cost for anyone living in the US or Britain.
I'm literally in awe of the speed/quality ratio on that contemptor. Impressive!
😍🙏😍 cheers bud, I was super pleased with him
1:59 if your paying yourself £3 per mini, and 20 minutes a mini, you're already paying yourself below UK minimum wage before you even factor in materials.
And your £8ph dreadnought is even worse!!
This video gives a bad view on commission painting. You’re not going to be able to make a living off the prices/times in the video, unless you live in certain areas of the world. Videos like this also hurt actual full time commission painters by giving people the idea that it’s cheap to get models done.
Yeah that's peanuts for skilled work, a kid slacking off working a till is making that + all the benefits like payed leave.
Exactly. Painters need to work off a skilled labourer's charge. Minimum wage, plus the skilled labour, plus the materials. It's going to be around £17 per hour.
Commission painting is real hard to make it, people don't realise how much time it takes to get stuff done
"Cheers Andy" -> made me rewind, haha.
Really interesting video and my favourite yet to be honest. As someone who's newer to the hobby I haven't paid much attention to the world of commission painting. This also hurt me on new levels when the contemptor only took you an hour and looks better than anything I can do in triple that…
Looks like hard work to make it work when you factor in what you covered in this video as well as the fact that commission painters need to do regular business things like spending time advertising (people don't just land on your lap), updating socials, communicating with clients around wants/needs, probably fixing broken minis on occasion when they arrive in the post - you can see why the studios have to charge what they do to make things viable.
I’m actually super proud of the contemptor, really nice kit for painting fast
I would love to see you expand that contemptor paint process to other vehicles and colour schemes. It's really powerful and I'm certain other combinations exist - maybe an opportunity to claim a standard approach like slapchop?
As in, if you standardise that approach as a set of paints and colours for each mainstream chapter you might be able to popularise it as "slap peach" or something.
Love Peachy's flex of doing awesome paint jobs with brushes that don't have pointy tips. Seriously, he's becoming my favorite painter.
Seeing this video, makes me want to set a goal for myself to paint some minis to put up for sale before the end of the year.
Thanks! And yeah do it, it’s certainly worth jumping in and having a crack at it.
I think many people will generally have un-realistic expectations of what they’ll get for commission painting. If you think of £3 a mini meaning the painter has to do 3 an hour, then Peachy’s results here are great for that time spend (obviously, Peachy is much better than most at getting good looking minis quickly).
But if someone’s mindset is ‘I’ve paid £300 for this army to get painted, it should look good!’, then I think they might be looking for more than what Peachy has done here, no matter how unrealistic that is for the number of hours spent.
£9 per hour is less than minimum wage in the UK , add in the cost of materials and it's not worth bothering with as a living
@@shauntaylor9251 You're better off doing one big one for more profit than batch painting loads of little ones
@@tethys17 - You're 100% wrong.
It was very interesting to see the perspective of a former Army Painter on commission. I'd be genuinely curious if the gents could have a conversation with a professional commission painter (perhaps from Siege?) on the podcast
I second this.
Second this too!
Well funny you should say that, we had James from siege come down and do a chat show with us, I think that will be coming in the next week or so
'Siege Studios' isn't a good example at all because James has built the company as an E-brand through the collaborations with content creators. It's not JUST a commission painting service. You're paying for the name of 'Siege Studios' as well as the end result. James saw that massive gap in the market and completely filled it when the likes of 'Awaken Realms' failed.
@@thepaintingphase James Otero? That will be awesome between his days at Artis Opus and now at Siege Studios. Did an airbrush course with him at Element Games and it was amazingly worth the money.
That box slide at the beginning was smooth af 😂
3 quid for a Peachy paint!?! Bargain! Am always amazed by Peachy’s ability to get such great results so quickly. Top video, as always.
The pink basecoat for yellow is such a clever idea that I'd never thought would work.
I do commission painting to support my hobby and not take from my regular paycheck to fund my fun. The conversation with the client as to how much effort and what level to paint the commission is crucial. At the end of the day, even with how much I enjoy painting, I want to feel like it was worth my time. I tend to be selective with what I want to work on as well to stay motivated through it, but I can do that because food on my table doesn't depend on my painting. I wouldn't do it full time, I think it would ruin the fun aspect of it when you're bound by deadlines and volume of work. If I don't feel the mood or inspiration one night, or just tired, I can choose not to paint and hobby in some other way
Commission painting for me is pure pain. Tried it for a bit but it just becomes work and drains my joy of the hobby.
Great video guys. I know you have data that shows you get more engagement with the chats vs painting, but I really love the painting videos. Keep it up!
They all looked mega. I'd definitely be happy with that as commission work. Made me want to watch Zulu now 👍
I’ve been commission painting for about 3 years now, with currently taking a break due to uni. Everything you said in here rings completely true. Your thoughts are totally correct
My biggest downfall with commission painting is that I’ve always gone above and beyond with the commissions I’ve done because I use it as a way to pay for my hobby not as a business 🤷♂️ always undercharge people 😅
@PaintsOnA4Up thing is is it really a downfall, bonus to commission is it is what you want it to be, so everyone has different goals for why they do it, so if your doing it to enjoy the hobby and just fund some of your own stuff, then undercharging isnt a terrible thing as its not your job
As always I get so much from seeing you paint. thanks for doing this. I really enjoy your painting videos.
😍😍😍 cheers bud
That was great and what a terrific selection of miniatures you got to paint! Definitely inspired me to just knock out some minis with simple but effective schemes. Love your content folks!
I am currently working on my second batch of 3 battlesuits. Using what i've learned on the 1st batch of 3 i've cut down the time to finish, but it still took a literal week to snip, clean, magnetize and prime everything. Another week to paint all 3 to my standards. All in all probably 2 weeks per 3 battlesuits fully magnetized, 56 magnets to be exact.
Nice time laps of drying texture!👍🔥
Awesome video, the Praetorians always strike a chord with me since i frst ever saw them released. The lore and reference to real life Rorke's Drift / Big Toof River is very dynamic and well done by GW. Being an ex Royal Welsh infantry soldier i am also heavily sentimental and invested in the actual history of my former regiment. So massive well done and respect for your effort on those minis!
That was a really cool video. Always wondered how to do a good batch painting session. Washing good - pooling bad!!!
That was amazing to see, really enjoyed seeing the thought process around time vs quality, and you making speed painting look so easy with good end results.
was searching painting phase videos for a krieg tutorial the other day so this has pleased me very much. i love straight forward paint jobs with a handful of paints and techniques. then i can build and put my flourishes on top. keep it up guys.
Great vid again guys!
Its not an easy job. I do a bit, but have the luxury of having a full time job and being able to pick what I do on the most part.
Really awesome video - thank you! I know you said you wished you could do more, but the style you have here is really what I shoot for when painting my own stuff, and seeing your method is really helpful.
Always impressed at your painting speed Peachy. Would love to see how a airbrush would effect your work flow
Good job on those in the time spent! I've done some work for Wardaddy in the past, always decent to work for. Some of my stuff is on his shop now I think.
The bases look amazing. I try to keep that in mind for future projects...
Great topic and love how relaxed and fun these videos are. Always so nicely shot and edited
Great show again, thank you, gents.fascinating that peachy with all those years of painting expertise has the mind games that come into effect whilst painting and such really interesting
Nice work Chris, love the subject matter.
This video really scratched my creative nostalgia itch. Also I loved the longer more in depth video 👍🏻
Hey Peachy, I'm glad that you are using AK 3rdG paints, I recently transitioned to those and I'm very pleased
Yeah they’re an amazing range of paints 👌
Like how you valued each model. Not on how many paints of effort but time vs $. The challenge of personal standards vs commission is also a nice piece.
I would never do it but I love the way you broke the job down. Another great vid
As someone who commission paints you could easily charge 2.5 - 3 X for each of these. Ideal to do as a side hustle to pay for special holiday or a new bit of tech.
A brilliant video with tons of food for thought and lots of great things to consider.
Looks like I'm going to lose my hair then!! 😂
Haha! Also as this was a one off, and done using wardaddiescosts, low I know but he needs to make Profit too. it’s been highlighted a few times in the comments, I didn’t take into consideration other costs like paints, brushes, primer etc. so that’s certainly something you’ll want to look at when going on this venture.
Cheers as always
Peachy
@@thepaintingphase It was super useful honestly and has encouraged me if anything so cheers for that. This is definitely the time when painting efficiently comes into play which you have a wealth of experience with. The key one is finding that all over wash which works with the colours you're using. I'll definitely be utilising that one more. Cheers Peachy.
what would you use as an undercoat for red (similar to how you used pink for your yellow overcoat)?
More more more ! Love painting vids
Seeing your tea made me remember your tea tutorial from one long ago Twitch stream. I think that deserves an updated version.
Oh bloody hell, yeah I’d forgotten all about those 🤣
I couldn't be a commission painter due to the fact that to be profitable you would have to charge an amount comparable to a decent setup for a hobbyist painter. I got a quote for a W40K Titan, it was about £400 which I didn't think was unreasonable at all, but I chose to buy the stuff myself and learn how to paint. So I went from wanting to have a Titan as a kind of statue for my gaming (P.C. and Xbox) space to being consumed by miniatures. Now computer games don't even get a look 🤣 never been happier! Although sitting here now, having drunk a bottle and a half of Baileys and inhaling the glue... I'm questioning my existence 🤣
Great video. As a commission painter who works full time I always struggle with the concept of how much time I spend on each commission vs quality of paint job! I need to start timing how long I take to complete each order.
Love it, Peachy !
I love painting as a hobby and as a nightly stress reliever. I have done a few commissioned projects and found I didn't enjoy the process for all of the reasons Chris mentions on the video; you always are bouncing between wanting to improve the quality of the work you can output while knowing that you aren't being paid for the extra effort (in both cases the commissioner wanted to stay to a very low budget).
Great video as always, makes me want to pick up the paint brush ASAP :). An idea for a short video - hearing once again "trusty Black Legion" - maybe Peachy could go over his all time favorite paints and what he uses them for? I'm gathering this stuff over a few videos now (great tip with Pro Acryl White BTW, thx
That’s a smart idea for a video 👍
I'm not the only one who gets excited by metal miniatures! I should do. Most of my squats are metal .
A pink undercoat for yellow is a new one on me. But I suppose it works in the same way as pink for a red finish.
Good on you for putting yourself out there. Great conversation and insights.
This man can paint an army in the time it takes me to paint a small squad lol.
How many Parsecs could Peachy paint the kessel run in??? It's insanity that you're able to generate such great looking miniatures so quickly!!
Aww thanks bud, contrasts and dry brushing are the MVP here though I can’t take that much credit.
Ha! I knew straight away where this came from when I saw the packaging. I'm working on a wardaddy lot myself while watching this
You know I’ll be honest at first I looked at these and thought wow low level for you. But once all based and all together I actually thought wow how great they looked! Soo good job MR!
Cheers! I mean it was pretty much 20 minutes per mini, so your not getting awesome results in that time…..with a brush, thought I would add that just incase any airbrushers dropped by to correct me 😅
That’s where I’m at, too. I’ll do occasional commissions if they really interest me, but could never do it full time I don’t think. I need to be having fun and it would kill me to do it for any other reason.
That seemed like a stressful experience. I tried it for a little while too, and just hated the feeling of needing to rush.
By god that is incredible speed painting a Dreadnought. Took me nearly 3 days. Now I did edge highlight but still damn impressive.
😍🙏😍 I bet yours looks better though
Oh man, that was interesting! I got anxiety just from watching 😂
Haha! You should’ve been in my side, honestly though it was a lot of fun
Incredible work!
Trying to get into commission painting myself to earn a little bit on the side, so this was very interesting to watch.
Really interesting insight into commission painting, from the outside it can look really easy! (Get paid to paint models ) but in reality it's like any job.....
£10 an hour feels like a completely undervalued price for the painting skill; it should be a lot higher than that
Whole lot to think about there lads,Not seen a single vid on this topic so we'll done on that front. Love that 🍑y never misses a biscuit reference.
Hahaha! Got get them biccies in lol
Gotta love preatorians, Got about 80 of them myself. Led by Queen Victoria and Micheal Cain :)
£3 a model. Madness! Brilliant work on these!
I was quoted £180 for a pathfinders Kill Team, so your definitely undercharging with £3 per model
Ive been doing commissions for a while now and i specialise in character pieces mostly to eavy metal box art standard. Its pretty niche but that hasn't been a problem so far.
The experience with clients is either one end of the scale or the other, never really in between. They either understand what they're asking for and know the time involved in doing it, or they have absolutely no idea and get really aggressive and rude about the prices.
I think because there's no qualifications involved people don't appreciate the time and money spent to get to the level of painting required.
Literal thousands of hours of practice, Airbrushes, compressors, hundreds of paints, brushes that are seeing a huge increase in price recently, glues, tools.
The overheads are actually massive when you really break it down.
And people will still get rude when you inform them that a single space marine painted to the same standard as the eavy metal team will take more than an hour of work.
Great job 👍
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who "ewww, ahhhh, ohhhs" when opening miniature packages 😄
😆😆😆 it’s gotta be done right
2 things: 1) Excellent! and 2) Mould lines on metal models, AAARGH!
Yeah they were a nightmare, I did lose an hour to cleaning them up, and I still missed bits…..forgot to mention that in the vid though 🤦♂️
Not the responsibility of the commission painter to redo poor modelling work submitted by the client. Properly cleaning mold lines off the old 2ed metals can take *hours*, especially when they cross faces or other details that aren't easy to scrape. Unless something in the job specifically says otherwise Peachy was right to treat these models the same as someone would treat a submission of assembled plastics: ready to prime.
Yes yes yes !!!!! Sending you a box now 😂
Is there any chance we can get a photo of the paint and manufacturer whenever you paint? As someone unfamiliar with the various ranges and shades it’s sometimes hard to hear what you’re using. The shade paint that binds everything together is called Targo Raid Shade? (Sometimes it sounds like taco raid shade) I can’t find it anywhere 😅
We usually do, but I had to rush this one out and didn't have time. The shade is targor Rageshade by citadel.
awesome Episode guys
Great video, I think coming from the studio team would help you with the speed, discipline and detachment needed to do commissions. Do you think you could do it with instructions on schemes etc or would you prefer to have free rein in colour choice etc?
......im now looking at my pile of shame and thinking of when I can offload it to Peachy to paint : )
Minis are cool and all that, but the real question is, since when have Malted Milk been covered in Chocolate and where do I get them from?
These were proper fancy Waitrose or m&s, got bought for us, proper fancy!
Great video and topic! I will have to note tho, that as a commission painter, you can define the type of clientele and work that you're actually interested in. Especially as you amass more skills and practice. For example, I personally don't do armies. I don't have the patience for the monotony, so I focus specifically on characters, creatures, vehicles and elite units. Which has oddly gotten me into all kinds of painting projects I wouldn't have expected, such as retouching action figures or painting collectables from things outside of wargaming (larger film/anime figurines).
Whether as a commissioned generalist or specialist, you should find a niche that you enjoy. It'll make the eventual grind of always working on someone else's stuff more fun for you. If you're committed to the work for pay, invest in yourself with good tools and spending your time learning techniques that maximize your time and effort, like pulling from the more traditional model or railroad hobbies. There's a wealth of knowledge out there that can help you make amazing looking paintjobs with minimal effort. There's nothing like knocking someone's socks off for a price they felt was fair (and not committing so much time that you lose money).
Happy painting!
It's an interesting question and something I've often wondered about myself... I know there's a market out there, but just 'how' much are people really prepared to pay for an army they might not keep... it might be worth doing another video on this using the Leviathan boxset when it comes out... paint to a high level and see how much you can sell it for?
Great video🎉 What Pink primer would you recommend for the imperial fists ? Because Arms painter pixi pink seems to be a Limited run 😢
It was indeed pixie pink 🩷
Great job on the Contemptor Dreadnought! You primed it pink with what primer? and you zenithal primed it with white afterwards? it looks more white on the top than pink. And have you tried Ratling Grimes for machine parts, instead of Black Legions? It works wonders!
I really hope to get my first commission this year.
How much did the paint you used cost?
Me looking at the chipping on the dreadnought from a distance: "that looks better than the chipping I did on my Riptide that I spent round about 20x as much time on...."
Can I just take some time to appreciate Peachy’s jumper collection?
😂😂😂 thanks
Very valuable comments by Peachy regarding standards and the 'i must do better and more' and the struggle of working to what has been PAID for .. you dont get Emirates 1st class for Ryanair offseason special fare!
I'm so slow, if I was a commission painter I'd starve to death by the end of the first week.
Metal Imperial Guard🤩 No, I'm not crying, it's just a high pollen count...
Question for Peachy; I have issues with using any kind of wash these days, they turn cloudy and white in the recesses. Any idea why? How to mitigate?
I've had that happened when mixing citadel washes with too much water
I paint minis for people, but keep my prices pretty much down to pocket money prices for the younger people, but some adults have asked me to paint their minis up to Golden Demon Gold winning standard, but only want to pay €2-€4 per mini, for what, at the standard they expect, would take around 200-400 hours of work, not taking into account cleaning up/assembly/mounting materials, which is sheer stupidity on their end of things. I don't make much from my painting, but the access to painting minis I don't normally paint, as well as seeing what's new in the hobby (As well as some seriously classic minis they find on Ebay) keeps me inspired, is a nice challenge for my skills, and all my customers go away happy at the end, so all's well :-) I honestly doubt I could ever be a full-time professional painter, as then I'd be just painting for profit, and have no time to paint what I like/collect for myself, and that would kill my love for the hobby I've been in for just over 50 years now. Some professional painters have entire studios/staff working for their services, but if you're just a one-painter service, unless you've got customers who are able to pay a serious amount of money per hour of work done on their minis, it's just not really feasible, when you take into account the costs just to start up, as well as taxes and other such deductions from the income you'll be getting.
Interesting video - did you cost in the materials you used too? I could never do this as 'day' job. Nice work though and really helps as a general hobbyist seeking table toip standard too.
Does anyone know what these went for in the end, or where I can find out? The eBay links are too old so the listings have gone
Ha! Yeah they did okay, the contemptor went for crazy money lol, the rest were around the £70-£100 mark
@@thepaintingphase That's good, it sounds like they spared Peachy's blushes!
What I have learnt is that Peachy can paint 20x faster than me.
Ive started doing commission painting this year and yeah it is really hard to balance that standard vs time. Pricing is also very hard =/ I am yet to make a profit haha but I have painted 234 models so far! But yeah it is really hard. I most likely wont be able to do it as a fulltime job, but as a side hussle sure.
You could do commission paint schemes. You do a video and an instruction list for the person to paint their stuff. That'd be cool
What shade paint are you using? Closed Captioning says "The Mighty Taco Raid Shade".... don't think that's right....
Targor rageshade 😂
Awesome thanks!!!! Great video
"Taco Raid Shade" is a far superior name, to be honest 😛
Great video. Just received my first commission from wardaddy too. Just to build experience painting different things with different schemes and to earn a few quid on the side. I'll be taking a few of your tips for sure! 🤘😎🔥
Brilliant, good luck and I hope it’s the start of many a commission
@@thepaintingphase I hope so too. Getting paid to paint stuff I can't keep is actually ideal for a hoarder like myself 😅
As quite a few people mentioned, pricing here is really cheap,because you just based it on labour. Materials, taxes (if you do it as a professional), and all kind of random stuff (Packaging, time communicating with the costumer, and so on) can never be covered with a proce like that
I really like the fact, that you went realistic with paintjob in terms of how much I pay for it (3Pounderinos per model) and it's not like super awesome golden demon standard suddenly, but just legit decent gooood paintjob using contrasts and spray undercoats. I'm considering starting some commishion paintings and struggle with pricing my works... still working on that topic. One thing about this whole project I migh missed you talking - How long it took you to assemble those Kriegsman? Have you added that time to total time of doing that commishion? Cutting out of sprue, cleaning and assembling might take more than 20 minutes per model...
Initially the krieg were built for us, but due to a logistics error, I had to build a second set to film, which only took an hour, glad you found the vid insightful
Great video (as always) what was the blue paint used on the dreadnoughts eyes?
Frost heart 👍
@@thepaintingphase cheers!
Interesting! Balancing the books while painting is a different view