Wow. I'm 50 year old black guy and remember this scene as a kid. At the time I didn't think nothing of it but NOW seeing this as an adult, its pretty bad. But you know what? They shouldn't have censored this at all. This was from a different time period, with different ways of thinking compared to today. Removing this scene is like tampering with the history books, removing information that happened so people in the future will never know it happened. Not good.
if they didnt censored the scene they would got hella backlash and maybe even a lawsuit with everything going on with disney they physically wouldnt be able to handle that
@@midnightcircus4701 Good. They deserve backlash for racist shit like that. I mean the shoe shining? Seriously? Blatant racism and hinting at white supremacy.
The most sad part it is; I was just seeing some concepts arts from the movie Fantasia, and to my surprise, they had a different sketch about a black centaur couple that was just gorgeous (no racist stereotype like the "donuts lips" or making they ugly like the racist old cartoons would) it was truly beauty. But for some reason they cut it for the finale version and put... well, what we all can see.
@Vixxxen Fox i’ll never understand why white people try so hard to be oppressed. not everything is about you. work on these issues and donate to the ‘cause of you care so much. don’t try to patronize others, and in turn, minimize the effects of slavery just for your benefit.
Sunflower is so adorable but she was depicted using stereotypes of black people's appearance which is sad. Also this was created during a time when black people weren't even shown in cartoons at all so this was considered progressive back then. We have improved a lot more as a society thankfully. Let this be shown as an example of how things can be so different just some decades back.
That is a shame. I didn't even think about it, but I suppose the hairstyle was more common back then. It just really does feel on the nose nowadays, but I guess if I watched it back then I might've never thought twice about her.
@@DkKombo That's the thing, it wasn't more common back then, it was a racist caricature that has been disseminated through centuries... But yeah, you never would have thought twice about it in 1940, because that's just how black people were depicted; in an extremely racist manner.
What’s creepy now is in the censored version the red carpet just unravels itself up the steps. Showing that Sunflower was there once but she’s been erased, now she’s a ghost.
You know what's fucked? Is this type of erasure has happened before. They used to paint over black slaves in portraits too hide the shame of it all. Sunflower has been done dirty by being erased from the annuals of history. Because shame is a powerful motivator for unitential racism.
@@cometarmagon7080 I know what you mean. Obviously Sunflower is a an offensive stereotype, but in a way it feels worse that she's been removed from the film altogether.
@@themaninthewall9299 Well yeah why do you think I said reboot? Just tone the lips and eyes a tad and put her ponytails behind her head rather than on top.
I've seen a lot of gorgeous concept art from artists that created a beautiful non-racist version of Sunflower. I'm thinking of making my own version one day.
So this might be an unpopular opinion but I think she is adorable. She has the most personality out of all the other centaurs. I understand that this is a very unfortunate depiction of a black character but she’s so cute and expressive.
Thing is, don't black women actually dress like this and aim for bigger butt/breast/lips? Or have the larger than most whites? Like they are usually x1.5 larger. Those not usually have more European in then somewhere.
It's more racist to remove Sunflower than to keep her. Keeping her reflects the era she was created in and how society behaved. We have to learn from our mistakes, not erase them so they can just be repeated. But honestly, Sunflower could've been really cute if we take away the racial stereotypes and caraicture.
Agreed! Erasing her from existence is like trying to erase history. She exists. She's a racist depiction of black people. We get it. But keeping her memory alive helps the newer generations learn from the past and helps move us to a brighter future. If Disney is truly _sorry_ for their racist past, then they would be working diligently to correct their past wrongdoings by creating more positive representation for black folks with fresh, new black characters that are not stereotypes. There is some progress being made, but we still have a longggggg way to go before shit like this won't matter because there will be an abundance of positive black characters that more than compensate for the negative ones.
@@b1njjj95 i think on disney plus, they actually kept her in and wrote a message at the beginning of the movie saying that it doesnt reflect their views now, and it was wrong then, but they were keeping the scenes in because it is an important part of history. i can see if i can find the exact quote edit: "...Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge it's harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future."
Because removing one superfluous racist stereotype from a Disney movie is TOTALLY gonna wipe the history books from existence and reinstate slavery. I'll bet you're a white person who has never suffered from racism.
This kind of censorship makes me sick. Disney seems dead set on pretending like the past never happened instead of doing the right thing and owning up to their racist past. Even their disclaimer is disgustingly half-assed, talking about 'cultural differences'. They should take a lesson from Warner Bros on that front. Pretending something never happened doesn't make it right, and only reinforces the 'it was OK at the time' narrative.
It wasn't okay at the time, it's not now, and if you need to see it here it is. I'll agree it's censorship when you tell me what idea or concept is being censored.
The best part is, when you go to watch it on Disney + there is this message warning people, at the beginning of the film, that there may be racially offensive things throughout the film because times have changed since then, blah blah, blah. Then it goes on to say that they left the offensive scenes in the film to educate people on how wrong it was. What a lie, as they were removed after all!
Funny thing is, Sunflower and Otika were Cut from Fantasia since 1969, so this wasn't a recent PC move on their part. I'm surprised evidence of this still exists.
The uncensored version would open up a lot more conversations about racism and offensive stereotypes in media, like how uncensored blackface scenes would open up the discussion of a time when black people weren't allowed to act in movies so white people would cosplay as black people and act out as many offensive stereotypes as they could think of (these blackface performers were known as "minstrels")
they actually went to slander them, which was the problem, if let say instead portrayed them just as people we wouldn't really have that much offense as it was a type of Necceray evil at that point, but then it would question why not just have Black people in it instead, I focusing more in it's intention rather than simplicity, as it's only that because of how it used to be intend as, people sometimes confuse the tool as the intention than the actual person's Intention of that Tool. BLackface was a TOOL that was used to Mock certain people, like Using nazi uniform as a TOOL to Mock the nazis, except that was actually true of what they said and helped people deal with evil, while Blackface didn't do more but keep a terrible standard.
@@joshuacoleman6947 listen, spin it how your old wippersnapper mind wants it she is blatantly racist no matter how you spin it. She blatantly ignored the entire time, mistreated, and made to serve them. And don’t say “the cherubs are made to serve them!” The cherubs are being treated with nothing but kindness.
Thank you for posting this. Scrubbing these kind of depictions from past artistic works contributes to the denial we're seeing now about the racism that is embedded in our nation's history.
What's funny to me is how many people see Sunflower as a bad character. The thing is, she's the obnly upstanding centaur in the whole group. The point of the centaur animation is to show how shitty vanity can be.
@@jomon324 I never looked at it like that, I could see that making more sense if disney didnt already prove himself to be a pretty shitty person in general.
all the scenes are uncensored on disney plus and they have a warning message saying "...Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge it's harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future."
Thank you for posting this. I watched Fantasia many times when I was little and never knew about these scenes until now. Even though these scenes are viewed negatively by most viewers, one thing we cannot do is erase or change the past. It will be best to learn from the past which will help us learn how to change the future.
Unfortunately we're doing more blackface in the last 4 years than the ENTIRE history of whiteface. So it seems more like a twisted political agenda than anything try to do any good.
You know something that really grinds my gears I recently watched Fantasia on Disney plus and they have a content warning screen about the racist caricatures in the film but still cut out sunflower and okita. Leaving only the mushrooms and the zebra centaurs. so there pulling the wool over their viewers eyes. Saying they want to talk about racism while removing the two biggest racist characters in the film.
Yeah! I get that the mushroom’s eyes could be perceived as a racial stereotype I guess, but nothing about that segment seemed negative. There wasn’t much representation in the centaur scene, but they did take out the most problematic parts, so they should have either fixed all the problems, or left them all in and been genuine in the message about inappropriateness. What they left in isn’t as clearly offensive and derogatory, some people do have narrow slanted eyes, mushrooms cannot dance, and centaurs aren’t real, so when they leave some things that can be more subjective whether it’s an offensive stereotype or just a silly cartoon, but remove the clearly offensive things, it actually makes it more difficult to have a genuine discussion about this topic.
The black character is actually really cute! But people now are seeing this in a different way... Especially when the black character is helping the pink character...
i’m glad they cut the scenes with Sunflower, but at the same time i’m glad that you uploaded this. i was checking disney plus and they actually put this message in the movie: “Content Advisory: This program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.” Other films such as The Jungle Book, Lady and the Tramp, Peter Pan and the Aristocats have this warning before the movie starts. It also shows that Disney is trying to improve in this area, and not use racist stereotypes.
It’s not a stereo type if they still dress this way. Plus cutting old culture is how you never learn from the past. Stop pretending other cultures don’t have stereotypes and aren’t mocked in the same fashion.
Peter Pan - Understandable. There's a whole fucking song about skin colour Lady and the Tramp - Eh, I've seen worse portrayals of Asians in modern kids shows Aristocats - The Chinese cat is mildly offensive. I guess it was worth the warning Jungle Book - lol wat? Not every cartoon monkey is a caricature. Is Curious George racist too?
Keep in mind that then removing this from the movie did not happen recently. They did it in 1969, 3 years after his death, so they could release it again without Walt Disneys prejudices affecting the ticket sales. Not saying Disney as a company is the good guy here, just that even in the 60's there were people in the company that saw this as wrong.
I know that back then people thought differently But like What was going through the animators minds while they made this? Was this this character even necessary? What was their goal making this character?
I don’t think so friend - there was definitely a goal, the character really stands out and I’m sure thinking people had a lot of thoughts in their heads from what they saw ... I’m sure that was the whole point, to attract attention.
@@CaptainMarvel-ew7rn Well, when you are already such an adult - Show it to your children and then get ready to talk about slavery and inequality with your child). Try to explain it to him.
@@TheMysterDe dude get over it. slavery happens. it's still happening now. I'm not saying it's okay but to sit here and act all Righteous about a subject you barely have any real experience in then quit down and go play on tik Tok. and i can tell you're a child because news flash buddy. we live in the real world where a lot of fucked up things happen on a day-to-day basis. because that's just the way it is. and there's nothing we can do about it. so, grow a pair because life is not here to cater to your feelings. and don't worry about my kids there not going to grow up to be Panzie's like you guys
Yeah it seems racist, but it seems equally racist to remove it and sweep it under the rug like it didn't happen. I'd keep it in as a teaching tool and give the viewers the opportunity to purchase the original or the edited version. 🤷♀️
@@jhaymuenster8310 No, he knows exactly what racism is. That character is a direct reference to American slavery. Republicans, those racist fcks, are always trying to censor the history of racism in classes - which is VERY wrong and racist. That is why it is not only a racist depiction, it is ALSO racist to hide it. The best we can do is show the racism to make sure future generations stop repeating it. To educate people like you.
@@Icewind007 No. The both of you could use a very real lesson on what racism means. Censoring media is not racism. How far we have fallen were we (well, you all) would equate the generational suffering of an entire peoples to some folks not being able to access the original version of a film. Which they obviously can because that’s what led us here. It appears that you, also, don’t know what racism is. 🪑🪑🪑
@@Blaze6432 They aren't editing history. They're providing a more family friendly alternative. The original version is still out there, literally no one is denying or trying to erase that. This video wouldn't exist if that were true.
I remember being young and seeing this, and assuming the black girl was a child who wasn't old enough for dating and that this was why she was treated differently than the others. I didn't understand that it was racist yet
Two things I've noticed about Afro centaurettes is that the younger ones are portrayed as goats or donkeys, while the older ones are zebras (the Afro centaurettes that aren't banned). Also in "The Reluctant Dragon," there was a ceramic figure of an older Sunflower (and she's also topless), which the lead guy "borrows" from the studio.
It really speaks to How dehumanized they were, to the point that i only pais attention to this detail after you mentioned, and most people in the comments hadn't realized it yet
I'm glad both characters were cut out of the movie because those are images that no one needs to be exposed to. But, at the same time, I'm also glad that you uploaded this, because I think it's important for people to understand: "Look, these characters were products of their time. They were racist back then, and they're sure as hell racist today."
Disney: "This programme includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures, These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. We want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together". Also Disney: Features the censored version where Sunflower doesn't exist
yes it’s a racist depiction of a black person, but i don’t think it should be removed from the movie as it shows us what the time was like then and how much we’ve moved forward since then
I can't tell if it's more or less racist now on one hand the black character was clearly a racist depiction but instead of making it less so they removed all traces of the only black character kinda ironic in a way but it's not important
On the third hand, the only harmful thing about her was the way she looked. And as I say, looks aren't what define a character. She is clearly a sweet and happy centaur who, although brushed off by the bigger centaurs, looks as if she enjoys her job decorating the tails and shining the hooves of these centaurs.
@@rayhayden6220 Yeah, because we were supposed to be happy like that, being servants to white people. That's the way we were always shown during that time period, as either happy servants or buffoons.
ngl i wouldn't have minded if she was just a little girl centaur but this is kinda racist- now i still wouldn't have minded her being black but the way the portrayed her was not good- but hey! she was kinda cute tho!!!
Way, way back in the 1970s, whenever a theater showed "Fantasia,": all of the hippies would pile in and smoke weed while watching the film. I think they liked the dancing mushrooms scene.
@@carllarouche6380 since Slavic people are not considered as white, so no, I'm not white anymore. And are you even black to say something like this? And you prefer to pretend nothing ever happened only because you feel salty about this? In fact, I believe this censorship is not about preventing hurting black people feelings, but Disney trying "whitewash" (ouch, how ironically) themselves, and now they are removing clues of their "crimes". They do not care about black people at all, they care only about money.
Funny how when you watch it on Disney plus you get a warning about how there are things that are not up to date and how it would be wrong to take it out because it’s a part of our history and then they still have this edited out.
Only reason they took it out was because they received backlash about it. They only care when people call them out and then simply erase the issue so no one remembers it and the fact they created this extreme racist image. It’s the same with them banning song of the south yet keeping a ride inspired by it.
Well, that mioght be because all modern releases of Fantasia are based off the remastering they did back in 2000 for the DVD release of it from that year. Though there are still 2 other black centaurettes, one of which pours some wine in the chalice of the god of wine.
I usually believe that people are too quick to use the words "bigotry" or "racism" in the modern era, but even I have to admit that this is pretty bad. Sunflower isn't depicted as a perfect beauty like the others are, and in all of her scenes she is serving someone. While I won't go as far as to say that she is depicted as a slave, I will say that she is depicted as a servant and overall not an equal to the other centaurs. Yes, this is a racist depiction. By acknowledging that, we learn from it, and don't repeat the same mistake in the future.
You've been brainwashed real good, Tad. This isn't even the most exaggerated Black cartoon character, it's very tame. Do you cry at the ugly waitresses at the diner that they're not, "being treated like Kim Kardashian", eh hypocrite?
@@iknoweverything4959 Even if this isn't the most exaggerated black cartoon character, that doesn't take away from the point that I made. Or do you mean to suggest that the character of Sunflower was not in fact treated differently from the rest of the characters? She's smaller, not depicted as a perfect beauty, is always serving another character in whatever scene she's in, and unlike the rest of the centaurs is not given a mate to bond with. I fail to see where my observation of these clear differences in character treatment based on skin tones is hypocritical. As I mentioned in my prior comment, I am usually of the belief that modern day folks use "bigotry" or "racism" far too often for instances that don't even remotely apply to either term. That doesn't mean I am incapable of seeing instances where those terms clearly apply, and this is one of those instances. Simply mentioning that there are worse depictions of darker skinned characters out there does not take away from the fact that this was a racist depiction. By that logic, Jeffery Dahmer isn't that bad of a guy because he didn't kill as many people as Adolph Hitler. Which is wrong. If you are going to refer to me as a brainwashed hypocrite, I would ask you to better explain how and why I am either of those things.
@@TeeAiDee You do realize that not everyone is treated the same in reality, right? It's hypocritical, because there's plenty of examples of someone unattractive put together with attractive people that you would never address or care about. Hence the diner analogy I made. Let's just be honest, you have a creepy fetish for us, definitely idol worship. Reminds me of how it's blasphemy to depict Mohammod to Muslims.
@@iknoweverything4959 Fantasia is not reality, it's fantasy. Many people, myself included, enjoy going to fictional worlds to get away from the harsh truths of reality. Having people being treated the way Sunflower is treated, is a good reminder of what poor views some individuals had of black people back in the day. Excuse me if I feel like pointing that out. How do you know that I wouldn't call out any other instances of less attractive characters being put on a lesser pedestal than more attractive characters? Do you know me personally? Have you seen other comments of mine on different videos? Do you know any of the things I've said or done in my life that may contradict what I said on this one comment on this one video? No? Then perhaps it's not some bizarre fetish or idol worship that you seem to be projecting onto me, and maybe it's just me pointing out something that I personally believe to be wrong. I'm not sure how making a statement like that is virtue signalling, but the more I speak to you, the more you seem to just want to use that term as a label that automatically makes you right in your argument from your point of view. I don't care what the color of your skin is, it doesn't make you right about the assumptions you've been making about me. I care more about the content of your character, which so far has been less than stellar. You want to be offended by me pointing out something I consider to be racist? Tough shit, that's your problem, not mine. I won't change my opinion just because you don't like it. If you had actually bothered trying to speak to me without being a condescending prick, you might have seen that your assumptions of me were wrong. But since you instead decided to act like an immature child, tossing around insults, I'm going to treat you like an immature child, and ignore you. Have a good day.
Can't they re-daw Sunflower to look less of a racist caricature and make one of grown up centaurs black so Sunflower would be more like a baby sister and not a servant? That way cartoon would have more black representation
They could have then, and they could certainly do it now. Of course, the same people who say now, "That's not racism" would scream it was racism if "blackwashed" any of the other centaurs.
Okay so they could've honestly just make Sunflower actually LOOK DECENT. I'm happy the removed it tbh, cause we don't need to portray that to kids especially younger minorities. That's psychologically damaging
@@noxhamilton704 Yeah, most animated stories back then weren't. But still, it's psychologically damaging. Even if you all want to keep Sunflower at least make her look DECENT. Like she has scattered pigtails, unrealistically big lips and terrible dentition. Even her her eyes are different and aren't all glamoured up (but I could care less about the eyes at this point) In a modern society, she just looks offensive
@@noxhamilton704 but it's wrong either way tho bc kids aren't that racist but parents they take it to the next lvl and ................... they ganna catch a beat down if they mess with wrong race like ppl like me 🥰
@@twilightfoxy5010 what’s the big deal? We gave The Princess and the Frog to the blacks where not one white was in that film!? And all y’all wanna talk racism?
it’s insane how many people in the comments are being ignorant. the racism in the movie was painfully blatant. to say that sunflower and atika’s characters weren’t racist is an insane statement. they were racist and disney INTENDED them to be racist. disney has done it in movies such as dumbo and the aristocats which were made even later than this one.
art should not be altered or censored to suit the sensibilities of a more enlightened time and way of thinking. If anything, the more offensive it is, the more important it is that it be preserved exactly as it is. It happened, it is history, and all history should be preserved, regardless of whether you like it and especially if it offends you.
@@chrisoberlin3256 you’re the wunn with the lack of knowledge, mate, why don’t you keep your bluddy unwanted comments from this fellows comment box. Not everything people say is their opinion, by hell! If you were too write this lewdly in every feedback box on eBay you’d be blacklisted before you can say JACKANORY. This fellow’s candour, Doodlepede, is profound and true. And I believe his comments was based on profound fact. Not just opinion.
Sorry y’all, my cousin had snuck onto my device thanks to some help from my sister and started commenting stuff on here and I’m only noticing this now after checking my notifications. It’s honestly embarrassing to see what she wrote here, and my apologies. I’ll delete what she commented, and I’ll talk to her about it later.
It's not fair, Disney warns us about the problematic material at the beginning of the film, but nevertheless, they say, they will show us the original material, but they still censor it.
I remember there being a beautiful black centaur lady with a zebra body? Did I make that up? I thought that was cool as a kid cause zebras were African
I think they are so cute, more expressive and interesting than the other characters. When I was a kid, I assumed they were all siblings and Sunflower and Otika were the little sisters, taking care of their big sisters.
Fun fact: when I saw this at the age of like 7 I just thought it was just some cute little dark skinned girl and saw no problem with it, I didn’t know it was racist till now 😅
@@christophertracy2807 Not necessarily. I'm black. I watched Tom & Jerry when I was 5, and noticed Mammy-two-shoes was dumb, poorly spoken and homely. A few episodes have a slim white housewife. I asked my mom directly "Is this what they [the world] think all black people look like?" She sighed and said "Yes". I still watched the show, but she didn't lie about anti-black perception. That said, I'm disappointed Fantasia cut out Sunflower. Don't rewrite history because it bruises egos. Confront it.
@@katiedidd7825 White washing history robs our black youth the chance to know what they come from and how to avoid going back there. Sadly, they are not enough black people who are smart enough to realize this and not accept the white liberal destruction of the chapters of American history that are not politically expedient for them. They are duping half of us and threatening the other half with cancel culture.
@@blacksilkmagick They learn from what is modeled in society - a society hat is built and run by the adults. If you read all my comments, you would have seen that I said adults teach children racism. So nothing I said is wrong.
It is offensive? perhaps. For this we must be censored it? no, is a product of his time and we need this for meet about this errors of the past for study it and learn them this be better people in the future.
TheMrWillje ya why don’t people understand that burying the past is just a recipe for it to repeat itself like tearing down statues of slave owners and changing splash mountain it’s history our history we need to keep it because pretending it didn’t happen will just cause problems in the future
it’s a shame that this movie has such harmful stereotypes. i don’t recall ever watching this segment of fantasia, but it seems like it would’ve been such a beautiful segment to watch if they didn’t depict sunflower and otika in such a negative light :/
Sunflower is the best character of this skit. Everyone else looks way too plastic and fake. Sunflower is genuine. She deserves so much more in the end.
It’s because the character was depicted as a slave to the “more beautiful” centaurs. Also the design seems like how a stereotypical black girl would look like
@@crustybooytp okay but there were white slaves too 🤔 the agenda is to get rid of of POC in history and they are doing a phenomenal job at it. Aunt Jemima is a prime example. Replaced her with a white man and people think that’s justice 😂
@@forteenite you’re right. But they also removed the only character of color from a 1940s film. I never said it wasn’t wrong, I said the agenda is to remove POC from media and they are extremely successful at it. We talk so much about learning about history so we don’t repeat it, but why is everyone trying to erase history to fit their agenda? I’m confused. You can’t rewrite history. The character was in the original film. It was a different time. There is nothing we can do now except not watch it if you want to.
@@saeshamarrero4063 Aunt Jemima is based on a real woman goofy. The caricature is the problem not the erasure. That's why it's now called the Pearl Milling Company named after the company that founded the mix and not an avatar of Nancy Green. Removal isn't a problem if it isn't accurate. What you want is the stereotype to be depicted for preservation instead of seeing it as a false image as a whole that should have never been conceived. I'm sure you'd feel some sort of way if women of your hue were once betrayed as nothing more than a mouth and holes who can't string a sentence or a rational thought together. I can't believe you actually thought you made a salient point. The white slave narrative isn't the one that is most recent nor is it the one that most people world wide think of when they think of modern slavery. When's the last time you watched a trailer for a "white slave" movie? Hollywood not interested, or are white people not interested? I'm still waiting to see the equivalent to 12 years a slave.....white edition. Maybe an Irish Roots, how about the Slavic version of Queen. Where's the movie about the white slave regiment that fought in the Civil War? That would just be fiction. Maybe we'll see a movie about the white slave boat that was overtaken by the passengers who were later brought to trial. AMYstad coming soon? Hell......how about any period piece that shows historical white slaves that are not Jewish? For your view point to hold up, the depictions of the history you spout have to be present in pop culture media representation. Not that they can't exist....they just are never brought to the general public with a 1000th of the same zeal or spectacle as the typical slave piece. Maybe that's because no one thinks of white slavery because it was nowhere near as prolific in damage or scale.
Btw sunflower isnt forced to work for the other centaur, she just get easily bored so she mostly spend her times helping other centaurs like grooming, playing, or doing chores, she does this because she likes everything to be clean and tidy :)
@@marvincorre4783 - because she is in a servant position, has slightly exaggerated stereotypical facial features and also wearing a hairstyle that was a stereotype for 'pickaninnies'. She's the only centauress who looks and acts like this.
I usually don't care about this stuff until I saw this scene. This shouldn't be drawn today. However, this was considered normal then. We can't change the past, we shouldn't change the past. We shouldn't ban or remove art, how problematic it could be in today's modern age.
Yes, this is definitely picturing racism, but honestly at the time this was how things were. I think they shouldn’t have censored it. Kids should see this and KNOW it was and IS very very wrong, but my question is: if they never know about it, what will happen in the future? Will racism begin to be just as bad as it was in the 1950’s?
@@bagibleepThey should know and investigate that they come from a race that was once a slave but fought for their rights and are now free. Their origins should not be hidden from them.
@@arturo5715 they already know through life that screams racism at them daily. they know through their family history that ISN'T that old and technically not over. slavery is still legal in the US per the 13th amendment under 'punishment.' Black Americans DON'T NEED REMINDING.
African Americans are not the only ethnic group, nor the most important. What you say is denying history for other ethnic groups, that is maintaining ignorance of the events of humanity and only imposing to think like you. They are not the only ethnic group that has suffered and not everything is about the USA.
@@arturo5715 you specifically replied to my comment about Black people needing to know their history. I told you they do. You changed the goalpost. Nobody is saying nobody should see this content ever. My point was that there should be censored versions for kids to watch and uncensored for the adults. Disney+ has the edited version because it’s primarily an app for kids. RUclips has the uncensored version because it’s more intended for adults. It’s not that difficult to understand.
@@zombies4evadude24 Easy, it is mid-term election time in the US and RUclips is predominately a Leftist company. It's videos like this that will be recommended to stoke ire amongst the viewers to help push people to vote democrat (The Left here in the states tend to see racial issues in EVERYTHING). It sounds like a conspiracy theory but there is a lot of truth in this sort of behavior.
Sunflower's character design is actually far more benign than it could have been, given the time period. If the red lips were colored normally and the "pickaninny" hairstyle she has in some shots (oddly not in others) were done away with, it would actually work fine for something made today. But of course the problem with Sunflower isn't just her design, it's the CONTEXT she appears in. She's depicted as subservient to the "Greek" centaurs and centaurettes, and within that role, she's clearly the product of visual tropes which were specifically and uniquely American, meaning they were specifically reflective of post-Reconstruction Jim Crow ideas that leaked out far beyond the south and into the mainstream culture.
It seems like the problem with Jim Crow was trying to keep blacks as a caste of second class citizens, when ideally they should have all been granted freedom and moved back to Africa as was Abraham Lincoln's intention, possibly to Liberia like the great black nationalist Marcus Garvey once suggested. This is a sentiment echoed recently by racially aware and woke blacks who yearn to have their own Wakanda. Blacks know that if they are made to live with whitey in the same societies they will be made second class until whitey himself is destroyed. It's easier to be friendly neighbors than friendly housemates. If we want both blacks and whites to live in peace they will each eventually need to have their own land. I am convinced this is the only rational and peaceful solution to the race issue.
@@Tyrell-d6o LOL AT THIS FUCKING IDIOCY! Tolerance is NOT an impossible thing to learn. You are PROJECTING by thinking that peaceful multiculturalism is impossible, when it is everything but. "I am convinced this is the only rational and peaceful solution to the race issue." You are *fucking* delusional. Rational? Please. Don't even.
@@Tyrell-d6o Works both ways. I'm sure the Natives of the American Continents and the Caribbean Islands would have loved if Europeans had "Gone back where they came from", right?
If only they could have brought this character to life with respect. She could have been a sweet filly with beautiful hair playing about the ankles of her grown counterparts, dreaming of how she will decorate herself when she grows up. Instead they made her a clumsy, unflattering mule. :(
If people think this is racist, pffft... they haven't seen Scrub Me Mama with a Boogie Beat 1941. You want a really edgy racist cartoon that puts the first letter in that awful slur, go watch that. This is heavenly compared to that hell. Sunflower's kind of adorable here and her mannerism's are cute. Just put that tooth back in! Less of a caricature that way, especially if you just give her a slight afro with bows or something.
The uncensored version is available on Disney Plus. It contains a disclaimer acknowledging that the racism was wrong then and is wrong now, but rather than pretend it didn't happen, they want to create conversation about it.
@@johnnyedd2782 probably for the Zebra centaurs. They aren't as bad as this one but they do still preputate the hypersexualization of "exotic" women of color.
You know when I watched this as a kid. I thought she ran a hair salon service for centaurs. But I think it was a product of my environment, cause back then we had quite a few black neighbors that ran salons out of their homes. My mother had a favorite she like to visit. We were Black, Latino and poor. Making do with what we had. LOL. But anyways I didn't think it was racist.
It's actually sad how many people in this comment section have no idea what the Jezebel caricature is- there's nothing to dismiss about it. It's so fucking blatant
Man tis used to be my favorite sequence in the Fantasia movie I didn’t know the original version was racist because in the VHS version I had growing up Sunflower had been taken out (good) . But damn this just leaves a sour taste in my mouth something that I enjoyed when I was little was hard dark origins
I hate it when people say this stuff to try and cover up the racism. It doesn't matter what child you thought. This was made by adults. Every other centaur is beautiful, she is a ghastly horribly offensive caricature. Plus she's a slave to all the others.
@valyg.creepy5844 Perfectly chill. My response wasn't just to you. It's to all people who think stuff is fine cos when they were a child they thought nothing of it.
@@Peter_1986 Yeah, naked kids all right, but "WTF!? A Black horse don't get his boyfriend, this is racist!". I remember those videos like "list of wors secret scenes from Disney", people get offended for 70's movies and still want to censor them.
All the characters were topless and there wasn’t any sexual content Also, the only black characters were portrayed as servants to the white centaurs, and if you can’t see why that is a problem then you clearly aren’t ready to have this argument
1:02 here shes just doing her job, I not sure if simply servant means slavery, as anyone can be a servant or slave depends if they're respected as people, and here I don't see much mistreament against Sunflower thats excused, it happens more to the White Goatmen than her.
yes, but the intention is to show black people as desperate for money and una le to be at the same level, the point it's to entertaint, even racists, being polite, wich is not less racist
Wow. I'm 50 year old black guy and remember this scene as a kid. At the time I didn't think nothing of it but NOW seeing this as an adult, its pretty bad. But you know what? They shouldn't have censored this at all. This was from a different time period, with different ways of thinking compared to today. Removing this scene is like tampering with the history books, removing information that happened so people in the future will never know it happened. Not good.
if they didnt censored the scene they would got hella backlash and maybe even a lawsuit with everything going on with disney they physically wouldnt be able to handle that
@@midnightcircus4701 Good. They deserve backlash for racist shit like that. I mean the shoe shining? Seriously? Blatant racism and hinting at white supremacy.
@@lusiferm1187 I completely agree atleast they are trying to change
Similar to how you cross out books with a black highlighter.
Dont worry its in the internet now it aint going nowhere
The most sad part it is; I was just seeing some concepts arts from the movie Fantasia, and to my surprise, they had a different sketch about a black centaur couple that was just gorgeous (no racist stereotype like the "donuts lips" or making they ugly like the racist old cartoons would) it was truly beauty. But for some reason they cut it for the finale version and put... well, what we all can see.
Can you show me the link of it?
Link would be appreciated…
thank you for putting this on the internet, i hope it will never be lost. this cannot be ignored.
way different times back then, dude.
Yes it can. Watch this
@Vixxxen Fox 1) look at the comment above you, 2) who is showcasing white people as slaves? who said that was okay?
@Vixxxen Fox Only one race is focused on because only one race experienced slavery for centuries.
@Vixxxen Fox i’ll never understand why white people try so hard to be oppressed.
not everything is about you.
work on these issues and donate to the ‘cause of you care so much.
don’t try to patronize others, and in turn, minimize the effects of slavery just for your benefit.
Sunflower is so adorable but she was depicted using stereotypes of black people's appearance which is sad. Also this was created during a time when black people weren't even shown in cartoons at all so this was considered progressive back then. We have improved a lot more as a society thankfully. Let this be shown as an example of how things can be so different just some decades back.
That is a shame.
I didn't even think about it, but I suppose the hairstyle was more common back then.
It just really does feel on the nose nowadays, but I guess if I watched it back then I might've never thought twice about her.
@@DkKombo That's the thing, it wasn't more common back then, it was a racist caricature that has been disseminated through centuries... But yeah, you never would have thought twice about it in 1940, because that's just how black people were depicted; in an extremely racist manner.
What’s creepy now is in the censored version the red carpet just unravels itself up the steps. Showing that Sunflower was there once but she’s been erased, now she’s a ghost.
You know what's fucked? Is this type of erasure has happened before. They used to paint over black slaves in portraits too hide the shame of it all.
Sunflower has been done dirty by being erased from the annuals of history. Because shame is a powerful motivator for unitential racism.
@@cometarmagon7080 I know what you mean. Obviously Sunflower is a an offensive stereotype, but in a way it feels worse that she's been removed from the film altogether.
Better believe Disney wants to pretend this never existed
You know Sunflower is actually pretty cute, I believe a good hand-drawn animated reboot with her as the focus would really do her some justice.
@@themaninthewall9299 Well yeah why do you think I said reboot? Just tone the lips and eyes a tad and put her ponytails behind her head rather than on top.
I've seen a lot of gorgeous concept art from artists that created a beautiful non-racist version of Sunflower. I'm thinking of making my own version one day.
@@b1njjj95 Send me some links if you can.
@@bio-weaponn5576 I'll try!
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I wanna see too!
So this might be an unpopular opinion but I think she is adorable. She has the most personality out of all the other centaurs. I understand that this is a very unfortunate depiction of a black character but she’s so cute and expressive.
Thing is, don't black women actually dress like this and aim for bigger butt/breast/lips? Or have the larger than most whites? Like they are usually x1.5 larger. Those not usually have more European in then somewhere.
It's more racist to remove Sunflower than to keep her. Keeping her reflects the era she was created in and how society behaved. We have to learn from our mistakes, not erase them so they can just be repeated. But honestly, Sunflower could've been really cute if we take away the racial stereotypes and caraicture.
Agreed! Erasing her from existence is like trying to erase history. She exists. She's a racist depiction of black people. We get it. But keeping her memory alive helps the newer generations learn from the past and helps move us to a brighter future. If Disney is truly _sorry_ for their racist past, then they would be working diligently to correct their past wrongdoings by creating more positive representation for black folks with fresh, new black characters that are not stereotypes. There is some progress being made, but we still have a longggggg way to go before shit like this won't matter because there will be an abundance of positive black characters that more than compensate for the negative ones.
@@b1njjj95 i think on disney plus, they actually kept her in and wrote a message at the beginning of the movie saying that it doesnt reflect their views now, and it was wrong then, but they were keeping the scenes in because it is an important part of history. i can see if i can find the exact quote
edit: "...Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge it's harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future."
Because removing one superfluous racist stereotype from a Disney movie is TOTALLY gonna wipe the history books from existence and reinstate slavery.
I'll bet you're a white person who has never suffered from racism.
Nah, that's. It something kids need to see today. They can have an uncut version with a disclaimer for those who want to see how not was.
I really want her to get a redesign, she is adorable.
I think it's he
@@It_is_Teh I think it’s a she by it’s hair
She's the lil mermaid now.
@@pongangelo2048 oh thank goodness
@@1234321ah is she the only one who goes without a bra?
It's so sad that they treated her worse :( she's just as cute as the other girls!!!!
no she isn't
she got removed bc ppl called Disney racist for making her the groomer and she also got removed bc she got mad when the other centours didn't obey her
Yeah! She's actually so cute, she didn't deserve to be treated like that :(
@@bolly8850 stfu jojo fanboy
Saw*
This kind of censorship makes me sick. Disney seems dead set on pretending like the past never happened instead of doing the right thing and owning up to their racist past. Even their disclaimer is disgustingly half-assed, talking about 'cultural differences'. They should take a lesson from Warner Bros on that front. Pretending something never happened doesn't make it right, and only reinforces the 'it was OK at the time' narrative.
I seriously hate they do that too
It wasn't okay at the time, it's not now, and if you need to see it here it is. I'll agree it's censorship when you tell me what idea or concept is being censored.
The best part is, when you go to watch it on Disney + there is this message warning people, at the beginning of the film, that there may be racially offensive things throughout the film because times have changed since then, blah blah, blah. Then it goes on to say that they left the offensive scenes in the film to educate people on how wrong it was. What a lie, as they were removed after all!
Funny thing is, Sunflower and Otika were Cut from Fantasia since 1969, so this wasn't a recent PC move on their part. I'm surprised evidence of this still exists.
You can't change the past, but you can learn from it
Aww Sunflower is so sweet she deserved better
If Fantasia ever got a remake, they should bring Sunflower back but this time to kick that "black is beautiful" energy. 👌🏾
If fantasia gets a remake the whole cast would be racially diverse and half of them LGBTQ+
@@matthewpobox I can see that happening
@@matthewpobox And why is it a bad thing to have a cast that isn't primarily white people? 🤨
@@z_.5557 Tf does lgbt have to do with White people?
@@princeprimrose00 "Racially diverse"
Can't you read or are you just intentionally r-tarded?
The uncensored version would open up a lot more conversations about racism and offensive stereotypes in media, like how uncensored blackface scenes would open up the discussion of a time when black people weren't allowed to act in movies so white people would cosplay as black people and act out as many offensive stereotypes as they could think of (these blackface performers were known as "minstrels")
they actually went to slander them, which was the problem, if let say instead portrayed them just as people we wouldn't really have that much offense as it was a type of Necceray evil at that point, but then it would question why not just have Black people in it instead, I focusing more in it's intention rather than simplicity, as it's only that because of how it used to be intend as, people sometimes confuse the tool as the intention than the actual person's Intention of that Tool.
BLackface was a TOOL that was used to Mock certain people, like Using nazi uniform as a TOOL to Mock the nazis, except that was actually true of what they said and helped people deal with evil, while Blackface didn't do more but keep a terrible standard.
Sunflower would have been a very cute character, if it wasn't blatantly based on a racist stereotype.
I feel like if they just made her and Otika tiny centaur kids or cherubs and removed any offensive black stereotype then this would’ve been fine
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Yeah.
@@joshuacoleman6947 listen, spin it how your old wippersnapper mind wants it she is blatantly racist no matter how you spin it.
She blatantly ignored the entire time, mistreated, and made to serve them. And don’t say “the cherubs are made to serve them!” The cherubs are being treated with nothing but kindness.
@@Chillipowww Looks like I win. 😊 Thank you 😊
Thank you for posting this. Scrubbing these kind of depictions from past artistic works contributes to the denial we're seeing now about the racism that is embedded in our nation's history.
What's funny to me is how many people see Sunflower as a bad character. The thing is, she's the obnly upstanding centaur in the whole group. The point of the centaur animation is to show how shitty vanity can be.
@@jomon324 I never looked at it like that, I could see that making more sense if disney didnt already prove himself to be a pretty shitty person in general.
@@jomon324 I agree. She's just drawn visually as a stereotype but that's not the Characters fault.
@@jomon324 even tho im white I personally love her as a character! she's so sweet!
all the scenes are uncensored on disney plus and they have a warning message saying "...Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge it's harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future."
These scenes are still censored on Disney+
Can confirm, no Sunflower at all
If only Sunflower had not been used for this, she has so much potential!
Thank you for posting this. I watched Fantasia many times when I was little and never knew about these scenes until now. Even though these scenes are viewed negatively by most viewers, one thing we cannot do is erase or change the past. It will be best to learn from the past which will help us learn how to change the future.
Unfortunately we're doing more blackface in the last 4 years than the ENTIRE history of whiteface. So it seems more like a twisted political agenda than anything try to do any good.
You know something that really grinds my gears I recently watched Fantasia on Disney plus and they have a content warning screen about the racist caricatures in the film but still cut out sunflower and okita. Leaving only the mushrooms and the zebra centaurs. so there pulling the wool over their viewers eyes. Saying they want to talk about racism while removing the two biggest racist characters in the film.
Yeah! I get that the mushroom’s eyes could be perceived as a racial stereotype I guess, but nothing about that segment seemed negative. There wasn’t much representation in the centaur scene, but they did take out the most problematic parts, so they should have either fixed all the problems, or left them all in and been genuine in the message about inappropriateness. What they left in isn’t as clearly offensive and derogatory, some people do have narrow slanted eyes, mushrooms cannot dance, and centaurs aren’t real, so when they leave some things that can be more subjective whether it’s an offensive stereotype or just a silly cartoon, but remove the clearly offensive things, it actually makes it more difficult to have a genuine discussion about this topic.
The black character is actually really cute! But people now are seeing this in a different way... Especially when the black character is helping the pink character...
The black girl is cute
at least she had personality compared to all the others
We should redraw this poor girl.
She deserved so much better. :(
I saw someone on tiktok redrawing her to a non stereotypical version. I can't remember the user though :(
What you are witnessing in this scene are sins of the past..... they should not be covered up but shown to exemplify what has changed!
i’m glad they cut the scenes with Sunflower, but at the same time i’m glad that you uploaded this. i was checking disney plus and they actually put this message in the movie: “Content Advisory: This program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.” Other films such as The Jungle Book, Lady and the Tramp, Peter Pan and the Aristocats have this warning before the movie starts. It also shows that Disney is trying to improve in this area, and not use racist stereotypes.
It’s not a stereo type if they still dress this way. Plus cutting old culture is how you never learn from the past. Stop pretending other cultures don’t have stereotypes and aren’t mocked in the same fashion.
Cut, not “cutted”.
@@Mechanicthing thanks, english is not my native language lol
Peter Pan - Understandable. There's a whole fucking song about skin colour
Lady and the Tramp - Eh, I've seen worse portrayals of Asians in modern kids shows
Aristocats - The Chinese cat is mildly offensive. I guess it was worth the warning
Jungle Book - lol wat? Not every cartoon monkey is a caricature. Is Curious George racist too?
No bc Sunflowers design was so pretty if only she wasn't used like this 😭
Can I just say that although this clip is racist sunflower is absolutely adorable
She had potential :(
She would have been SO much cuter without the stereotypical racist role!
@@user1109-x3w fair but she’s still ADORABLE
Keep in mind that then removing this from the movie did not happen recently. They did it in 1969, 3 years after his death, so they could release it again without Walt Disneys prejudices affecting the ticket sales. Not saying Disney as a company is the good guy here, just that even in the 60's there were people in the company that saw this as wrong.
I know that back then people thought differently
But like
What was going through the animators minds while they made this?
Was this this character even necessary?
What was their goal making this character?
It was just normal to them
I don’t think so friend - there was definitely a goal, the character really stands out and I’m sure thinking people had a lot of thoughts in their heads from what they saw ... I’m sure that was the whole point, to attract attention.
Y’all must be children. Calm down it’s a cartoon. And an old one at that, times were different. Get over it!
@@CaptainMarvel-ew7rn Well, when you are already such an adult - Show it to your children and then get ready to talk about slavery and inequality with your child). Try to explain it to him.
@@TheMysterDe dude get over it. slavery happens. it's still happening now. I'm not saying it's okay but to sit here and act all Righteous about a subject you barely have any real experience in then quit down and go play on tik Tok. and i can tell you're a child because news flash buddy. we live in the real world where a lot of fucked up things happen on a day-to-day basis. because that's just the way it is. and there's nothing we can do about it. so, grow a pair because life is not here to cater to your feelings. and don't worry about my kids there not going to grow up to be Panzie's like you guys
Yeah it seems racist, but it seems equally racist to remove it and sweep it under the rug like it didn't happen. I'd keep it in as a teaching tool and give the viewers the opportunity to purchase the original or the edited version. 🤷♀️
I don’t think you know what racism means.
@@jhaymuenster8310 Editing history to pretend that it didn't happen to a specific racial demographic is a form of racism.
@@jhaymuenster8310 No, he knows exactly what racism is. That character is a direct reference to American slavery. Republicans, those racist fcks, are always trying to censor the history of racism in classes - which is VERY wrong and racist.
That is why it is not only a racist depiction, it is ALSO racist to hide it. The best we can do is show the racism to make sure future generations stop repeating it. To educate people like you.
@@Icewind007 No. The both of you could use a very real lesson on what racism means.
Censoring media is not racism. How far we have fallen were we (well, you all) would equate the generational suffering of an entire peoples to some folks not being able to access the original version of a film. Which they obviously can because that’s what led us here. It appears that you, also, don’t know what racism is.
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@@Blaze6432 They aren't editing history. They're providing a more family friendly alternative. The original version is still out there, literally no one is denying or trying to erase that. This video wouldn't exist if that were true.
I remember being young and seeing this, and assuming the black girl was a child who wasn't old enough for dating and that this was why she was treated differently than the others. I didn't understand that it was racist yet
Two things I've noticed about Afro centaurettes is that the younger ones are portrayed as goats or donkeys, while the older ones are zebras (the Afro centaurettes that aren't banned).
Also in "The Reluctant Dragon," there was a ceramic figure of an older Sunflower (and she's also topless), which the lead guy "borrows" from the studio.
Fun fact. There are THREE black centauresses. One with bows, one with flowers, and one with bows with a flower.
It really speaks to How dehumanized they were, to the point that i only pais attention to this detail after you mentioned, and most people in the comments hadn't realized it yet
Sunflower deserves better!
I'm glad both characters were cut out of the movie because those are images that no one needs to be exposed to.
But, at the same time, I'm also glad that you uploaded this, because I think it's important for people to understand:
"Look, these characters were products of their time. They were racist back then, and they're sure as hell racist today."
They don’t look particularly racist to me.
So you want to go back and mutilate art to fit whatever the current sensibilities are? Just because it triggers you?
@@Mechanicthing It's the meaning and context behind them that's racist, and it's not hard to see why
Disney: "This programme includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures, These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. We want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together".
Also Disney: Features the censored version where Sunflower doesn't exist
Say what you will about Warner Bros., but at least they got the right idea.
Yeah like what the Fuck?!
They should have remade sunflowers design and made her one of the other centaur s
How the character looks is obviously dicey but Sunflower is the artisan amidst models, she's the MVP.
I like how in Disney + was not censored, and let the original be.
Pls don't take this as racist.
I don’t think you are. It’s important to remember the past as to not repeat history.
Imagine if they included sunflower as one of the girls right there, she would be beautiful too in her own way
yes it’s a racist depiction of a black person, but i don’t think it should be removed from the movie as it shows us what the time was like then and how much we’ve moved forward since then
I can't tell if it's more or less racist now on one hand the black character was clearly a racist depiction but instead of making it less so they removed all traces of the only black character kinda ironic in a way but it's not important
Agreed . I dont like editing like this, but at the same time i am so glad i didnt watch that with my 5 year old sitting beside me
On the third hand, the only harmful thing about her was the way she looked. And as I say, looks aren't what define a character. She is clearly a sweet and happy centaur who, although brushed off by the bigger centaurs, looks as if she enjoys her job decorating the tails and shining the hooves of these centaurs.
@@rayhayden6220 Yeah, because we were supposed to be happy like that, being servants to white people. That's the way we were always shown during that time period, as either happy servants or buffoons.
There were other black centaurs.
@@carllarouche6380 good point
ngl i wouldn't have minded if she was just a little girl centaur but this is kinda racist-
now i still wouldn't have minded her being black but the way the portrayed her was not good-
but hey! she was kinda cute tho!!!
bud, its not kind of racist, it is racist lol
@@EU-mf7sd yeah ik that's just how i worded it ig-
Way, way back in the 1970s, whenever a theater showed "Fantasia,": all of the hippies would pile in and smoke weed while watching the film. I think they liked the dancing mushrooms scene.
I don't like Sunflower's role in the movie, but I love her🩷
She's so precious and looks like a fun character.
Aw sunflower looks so beautiful and wholesome she looks like a kind helper
This is exactly what I needed for my class! Thank you!
You're welcome! What kind of presentation was that?
@@officialbusiness8087 racism & stereotypes. This clip is a perfect example of the black centaur being displayed as "less than" the white centaurs.
@@XxVictoriiaxX Yup, great example. Also fact that they remove this scene tells something about more modern society.
These uncensored scenes need to be included on blu ray and dvd.
Actually, I find all these trying to censor stuff like this more racist. Like trying to make an illusion that racism had never existed.
Existed** But yes! I agree with you. We mustn't erase the past, we must learn from it and use it as a teaching opportunity.
I'll bet you're a white person who has never had to suffer from racism.
I don think the word “excited” means what you think it means.
@@carllarouche6380 since Slavic people are not considered as white, so no, I'm not white anymore.
And are you even black to say something like this? And you prefer to pretend nothing ever happened only because you feel salty about this? In fact, I believe this censorship is not about preventing hurting black people feelings, but Disney trying "whitewash" (ouch, how ironically) themselves, and now they are removing clues of their "crimes". They do not care about black people at all, they care only about money.
Funny how when you watch it on Disney plus you get a warning about how there are things that are not up to date and how it would be wrong to take it out because it’s a part of our history and then they still have this edited out.
Only reason they took it out was because they received backlash about it. They only care when people call them out and then simply erase the issue so no one remembers it and the fact they created this extreme racist image. It’s the same with them banning song of the south yet keeping a ride inspired by it.
This was good to remove, there's no purpose this serves
@Urban Youth U need a new hobby my guy 😆
Well, that mioght be because all modern releases of Fantasia are based off the remastering they did back in 2000 for the DVD release of it from that year. Though there are still 2 other black centaurettes, one of which pours some wine in the chalice of the god of wine.
Possibly for the drinking
The odd thing is that the film now has a “Stories Matter” warning on Disney+, making the removal of these characters completely pointless in the end.
Bring back sunflower because she's so cute but have her be equal to everyone else ❤
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I usually believe that people are too quick to use the words "bigotry" or "racism" in the modern era, but even I have to admit that this is pretty bad.
Sunflower isn't depicted as a perfect beauty like the others are, and in all of her scenes she is serving someone. While I won't go as far as to say that she is depicted as a slave, I will say that she is depicted as a servant and overall not an equal to the other centaurs.
Yes, this is a racist depiction. By acknowledging that, we learn from it, and don't repeat the same mistake in the future.
You've been brainwashed real good, Tad. This isn't even the most exaggerated Black cartoon character, it's very tame. Do you cry at the ugly waitresses at the diner that they're not, "being treated like Kim Kardashian", eh hypocrite?
@@iknoweverything4959 Even if this isn't the most exaggerated black cartoon character, that doesn't take away from the point that I made. Or do you mean to suggest that the character of Sunflower was not in fact treated differently from the rest of the characters? She's smaller, not depicted as a perfect beauty, is always serving another character in whatever scene she's in, and unlike the rest of the centaurs is not given a mate to bond with.
I fail to see where my observation of these clear differences in character treatment based on skin tones is hypocritical. As I mentioned in my prior comment, I am usually of the belief that modern day folks use "bigotry" or "racism" far too often for instances that don't even remotely apply to either term. That doesn't mean I am incapable of seeing instances where those terms clearly apply, and this is one of those instances.
Simply mentioning that there are worse depictions of darker skinned characters out there does not take away from the fact that this was a racist depiction. By that logic, Jeffery Dahmer isn't that bad of a guy because he didn't kill as many people as Adolph Hitler. Which is wrong. If you are going to refer to me as a brainwashed hypocrite, I would ask you to better explain how and why I am either of those things.
@@TeeAiDee You do realize that not everyone is treated the same in reality, right? It's hypocritical, because there's plenty of examples of someone unattractive put together with attractive people that you would never address or care about. Hence the diner analogy I made. Let's just be honest, you have a creepy fetish for us, definitely idol worship. Reminds me of how it's blasphemy to depict Mohammod to Muslims.
@@TeeAiDee Btw, I'm Black, and I find your narcissistic virtue signaling offensive.
@@iknoweverything4959 Fantasia is not reality, it's fantasy. Many people, myself included, enjoy going to fictional worlds to get away from the harsh truths of reality. Having people being treated the way Sunflower is treated, is a good reminder of what poor views some individuals had of black people back in the day. Excuse me if I feel like pointing that out.
How do you know that I wouldn't call out any other instances of less attractive characters being put on a lesser pedestal than more attractive characters? Do you know me personally? Have you seen other comments of mine on different videos? Do you know any of the things I've said or done in my life that may contradict what I said on this one comment on this one video? No? Then perhaps it's not some bizarre fetish or idol worship that you seem to be projecting onto me, and maybe it's just me pointing out something that I personally believe to be wrong. I'm not sure how making a statement like that is virtue signalling, but the more I speak to you, the more you seem to just want to use that term as a label that automatically makes you right in your argument from your point of view.
I don't care what the color of your skin is, it doesn't make you right about the assumptions you've been making about me. I care more about the content of your character, which so far has been less than stellar. You want to be offended by me pointing out something I consider to be racist? Tough shit, that's your problem, not mine. I won't change my opinion just because you don't like it. If you had actually bothered trying to speak to me without being a condescending prick, you might have seen that your assumptions of me were wrong. But since you instead decided to act like an immature child, tossing around insults, I'm going to treat you like an immature child, and ignore you.
Have a good day.
I'd at least have the option to view the uncensored version.
They should’ve just done her hair fine like tf
Can't they re-daw Sunflower to look less of a racist caricature and make one of grown up centaurs black so Sunflower would be more like a baby sister and not a servant? That way cartoon would have more black representation
I think that would of been more beautiful than to censor it as if it never happened...
They could have then, and they could certainly do it now. Of course, the same people who say now, "That's not racism" would scream it was racism if "blackwashed" any of the other centaurs.
I didn’t know about this character. I grew up as a child in the 90s watching this film. They must of taken her out by then.
Okay so they could've honestly just make Sunflower actually LOOK DECENT. I'm happy the removed it tbh, cause we don't need to portray that to kids especially younger minorities. That's psychologically damaging
Fantasia 1940 wasn't created for kids.
@@noxhamilton704 Yeah, most animated stories back then weren't. But still, it's psychologically damaging. Even if you all want to keep Sunflower at least make her look DECENT. Like she has scattered pigtails, unrealistically big lips and terrible dentition. Even her her eyes are different and aren't all glamoured up (but I could care less about the eyes at this point) In a modern society, she just looks offensive
@@noxhamilton704 I mean that's worse because adults are more likely to be racist than kids.
@@noxhamilton704 but it's wrong either way tho bc kids aren't that racist but parents they take it to the next lvl and ................... they ganna catch a beat down if they mess with wrong race like ppl like me 🥰
@@twilightfoxy5010 what’s the big deal? We gave The Princess and the Frog to the blacks where not one white was in that film!? And all y’all wanna talk racism?
it’s insane how many people in the comments are being ignorant. the racism in the movie was painfully blatant. to say that sunflower and atika’s characters weren’t racist is an insane statement. they were racist and disney INTENDED them to be racist. disney has done it in movies such as dumbo and the aristocats which were made even later than this one.
Say that without crying, there's no excuse for censorship
It's ironic that Disney+ has a warning about the racism, yet they still used the version of the film without them
Aren’t the dancing mushrooms supposed to represent asians ?
@Mono-hz4ii Touché
The comments
50%-should have censored the material
50%-shouldn’t have censored the material
art should not be altered or censored to suit the sensibilities of a more enlightened time and way of thinking. If anything, the more offensive it is, the more important it is that it be preserved exactly as it is. It happened, it is history, and all history should be preserved, regardless of whether you like it and especially if it offends you.
@@chrisoberlin3256 you’re the wunn with the lack of knowledge, mate, why don’t you keep your bluddy unwanted comments from this fellows comment box. Not everything people say is their opinion, by hell! If you were too write this lewdly in every feedback box on eBay you’d be blacklisted before you can say JACKANORY. This fellow’s candour, Doodlepede, is profound and true. And I believe his comments was based on profound fact. Not just opinion.
@@chrisoberlin3256 it's a public comment m8 :/
Sorry y’all, my cousin had snuck onto my device thanks to some help from my sister and started commenting stuff on here and I’m only noticing this now after checking my notifications. It’s honestly embarrassing to see what she wrote here, and my apologies. I’ll delete what she commented, and I’ll talk to her about it later.
"especially if it offends you"
I'll bet you're a white person who hasn't suffered from racism.
It's not fair, Disney warns us about the problematic material at the beginning of the film, but nevertheless, they say, they will show us the original material, but they still censor it.
This particular scene was taken out back in 1969 its wasnt taken out recently
I remember there being a beautiful black centaur lady with a zebra body? Did I make that up? I thought that was cool as a kid cause zebras were African
There was a small scene with 2 of them. They had very pretty designs
@@happymako7776Yeah they are beautiful characters
How can someone not repeat history if history is censored?
Because removing one superfluous racist stereotype from a Disney movie is TOTALLY gonna reinstate slavery.
@@carllarouche6380 i bet China is going to do that in a few decades👀
I think they are so cute, more expressive and interesting than the other characters. When I was a kid, I assumed they were all siblings and Sunflower and Otika were the little sisters, taking care of their big sisters.
Fun fact: when I saw this at the age of like 7 I just thought it was just some cute little dark skinned girl and saw no problem with it, I didn’t know it was racist till now 😅
Thats just it. Children dont know anything about race until adults teach them
@@christophertracy2807 Not necessarily. I'm black. I watched Tom & Jerry when I was 5, and noticed Mammy-two-shoes was dumb, poorly spoken and homely. A few episodes have a slim white housewife. I asked my mom directly "Is this what they [the world] think all black people look like?" She sighed and said "Yes". I still watched the show, but she didn't lie about anti-black perception.
That said, I'm disappointed Fantasia cut out Sunflower. Don't rewrite history because it bruises egos. Confront it.
@@katiedidd7825 White washing history robs our black youth the chance to know what they come from and how to avoid going back there. Sadly, they are not enough black people who are smart enough to realize this and not accept the white liberal destruction of the chapters of American history that are not politically expedient for them. They are duping half of us and threatening the other half with cancel culture.
@@blacksilkmagick They learn from what is modeled in society - a society hat is built and run by the adults. If you read all my comments, you would have seen that I said adults teach children racism. So nothing I said is wrong.
It is offensive? perhaps.
For this we must be censored it? no, is a product of his time and we need this for meet about this errors of the past for study it and learn them this be better people in the future.
I agree. Pretending it didn't happen is just as problematic.
TheMrWillje ya why don’t people understand that burying the past is just a recipe for it to repeat itself like tearing down statues of slave owners and changing splash mountain it’s history our history we need to keep it because pretending it didn’t happen will just cause problems in the future
@@compherut I completely agree. Ignorance of the past definitely causes a lot of problems.
I think this is different because it is made for kids. So, for future kids to watch it, it is better to just leave it out of the films
No its not, that only gives Disney the chance to deny their racist bullshit
She was so cute tho ;(
it’s a shame that this movie has such harmful stereotypes. i don’t recall ever watching this segment of fantasia, but it seems like it would’ve been such a beautiful segment to watch if they didn’t depict sunflower and otika in such a negative light :/
Sunflower is the best character of this skit.
Everyone else looks way too plastic and fake. Sunflower is genuine. She deserves so much more in the end.
I always watched this as a kid and thought nothing of it but seeing it now makes my heart sink.
they say this is racist, but, they remove a black character from the cartoon, that's so dumb
It’s because the character was depicted as a slave to the “more beautiful” centaurs. Also the design seems like how a stereotypical black girl would look like
@@crustybooytp okay but there were white slaves too 🤔 the agenda is to get rid of of POC in history and they are doing a phenomenal job at it. Aunt Jemima is a prime example. Replaced her with a white man and people think that’s justice 😂
@@saeshamarrero4063 You can't be this dumb. It's a racist depiction of POC. If it's harmful or stereotypical then I don't mind getting rid of it
@@forteenite you’re right. But they also removed the only character of color from a 1940s film. I never said it wasn’t wrong, I said the agenda is to remove POC from media and they are extremely successful at it. We talk so much about learning about history so we don’t repeat it, but why is everyone trying to erase history to fit their agenda? I’m confused. You can’t rewrite history. The character was in the original film. It was a different time. There is nothing we can do now except not watch it if you want to.
@@saeshamarrero4063 Aunt Jemima is based on a real woman goofy. The caricature is the problem not the erasure. That's why it's now called the Pearl Milling Company named after the company that founded the mix and not an avatar of Nancy Green. Removal isn't a problem if it isn't accurate. What you want is the stereotype to be depicted for preservation instead of seeing it as a false image as a whole that should have never been conceived. I'm sure you'd feel some sort of way if women of your hue were once betrayed as nothing more than a mouth and holes who can't string a sentence or a rational thought together.
I can't believe you actually thought you made a salient point. The white slave narrative isn't the one that is most recent nor is it the one that most people world wide think of when they think of modern slavery. When's the last time you watched a trailer for a "white slave" movie? Hollywood not interested, or are white people not interested? I'm still waiting to see the equivalent to 12 years a slave.....white edition. Maybe an Irish Roots, how about the Slavic version of Queen. Where's the movie about the white slave regiment that fought in the Civil War? That would just be fiction. Maybe we'll see a movie about the white slave boat that was overtaken by the passengers who were later brought to trial. AMYstad coming soon? Hell......how about any period piece that shows historical white slaves that are not Jewish? For your view point to hold up, the depictions of the history you spout have to be present in pop culture media representation. Not that they can't exist....they just are never brought to the general public with a 1000th of the same zeal or spectacle as the typical slave piece. Maybe that's because no one thinks of white slavery because it was nowhere near as prolific in damage or scale.
Sunflower is so pretty I also love the flower that was on her hair
Wait is sunflower a boy how come they have no shirt
Sunflower is infact a female centaur, she isnt wearing any shirt because shes a young centaur so she doesnt have any inappropriate features yet.
@@Legoshi_Chan ohhh ok 👌
Btw sunflower isnt forced to work for the other centaur, she just get easily bored so she mostly spend her times helping other centaurs like grooming, playing, or doing chores, she does this because she likes everything to be clean and tidy :)
@@marvincorre4783 its because of her looks, they made her look "Ugly" on purpose, not just that but she also acts like a slave in the cartoon.
@@marvincorre4783 - because she is in a servant position, has slightly exaggerated stereotypical facial features and also wearing a hairstyle that was a stereotype for 'pickaninnies'. She's the only centauress who looks and acts like this.
I usually don't care about this stuff until I saw this scene. This shouldn't be drawn today. However, this was considered normal then. We can't change the past, we shouldn't change the past. We shouldn't ban or remove art, how problematic it could be in today's modern age.
It wasn't okay then and it isn't now.
@@user-mh9dx7nz2r Modern standards =/= old standards. Get over it.
Yes, this is definitely picturing racism, but honestly at the time this was how things were. I think they shouldn’t have censored it. Kids should see this and KNOW it was and IS very very wrong, but my question is: if they never know about it, what will happen in the future? Will racism begin to be just as bad as it was in the 1950’s?
What about the Black children who want to watch this without being reminded of racism?
@@bagibleepThey should know and investigate that they come from a race that was once a slave but fought for their rights and are now free. Their origins should not be hidden from them.
@@arturo5715 they already know through life that screams racism at them daily. they know through their family history that ISN'T that old and technically not over. slavery is still legal in the US per the 13th amendment under 'punishment.' Black Americans DON'T NEED REMINDING.
African Americans are not the only ethnic group, nor the most important. What you say is denying history for other ethnic groups, that is maintaining ignorance of the events of humanity and only imposing to think like you. They are not the only ethnic group that has suffered and not everything is about the USA.
@@arturo5715 you specifically replied to my comment about Black people needing to know their history. I told you they do. You changed the goalpost. Nobody is saying nobody should see this content ever. My point was that there should be censored versions for kids to watch and uncensored for the adults. Disney+ has the edited version because it’s primarily an app for kids. RUclips has the uncensored version because it’s more intended for adults. It’s not that difficult to understand.
Ok but why are the centaurs super thicc
I like this underrated comment
@@maungbonsai why are all the comments new?
@@zombies4evadude24 idk, I just found it in recomend XD
@@zombies4evadude24 Well I found this vid in my recommendations and I asked the same thing to myself lol
@@zombies4evadude24 Easy, it is mid-term election time in the US and RUclips is predominately a Leftist company. It's videos like this that will be recommended to stoke ire amongst the viewers to help push people to vote democrat (The Left here in the states tend to see racial issues in EVERYTHING). It sounds like a conspiracy theory but there is a lot of truth in this sort of behavior.
Sunflower's character design is actually far more benign than it could have been, given the time period. If the red lips were colored normally and the "pickaninny" hairstyle she has in some shots (oddly not in others) were done away with, it would actually work fine for something made today.
But of course the problem with Sunflower isn't just her design, it's the CONTEXT she appears in. She's depicted as subservient to the "Greek" centaurs and centaurettes, and within that role, she's clearly the product of visual tropes which were specifically and uniquely American, meaning they were specifically reflective of post-Reconstruction Jim Crow ideas that leaked out far beyond the south and into the mainstream culture.
It seems like the problem with Jim Crow was trying to keep blacks as a caste of second class citizens, when ideally they should have all been granted freedom and moved back to Africa as was Abraham Lincoln's intention, possibly to Liberia like the great black nationalist Marcus Garvey once suggested. This is a sentiment echoed recently by racially aware and woke blacks who yearn to have their own Wakanda. Blacks know that if they are made to live with whitey in the same societies they will be made second class until whitey himself is destroyed. It's easier to be friendly neighbors than friendly housemates. If we want both blacks and whites to live in peace they will each eventually need to have their own land. I am convinced this is the only rational and peaceful solution to the race issue.
So what? Racist things could always be more racist. That doesn't make it ok or "benign" whatsoever.
@@calvinminer4365: Didn't say it was "okay." And I said it was more benign than it could have been. I did not say that it functionally WAS benign.
@@Tyrell-d6o LOL AT THIS FUCKING IDIOCY! Tolerance is NOT an impossible thing to learn. You are PROJECTING by thinking that peaceful multiculturalism is impossible, when it is everything but. "I am convinced this is the only rational and peaceful solution to the race issue." You are *fucking* delusional. Rational? Please. Don't even.
@@Tyrell-d6o Works both ways. I'm sure the Natives of the American Continents and the Caribbean Islands would have loved if Europeans had "Gone back where they came from", right?
If only they could have brought this character to life with respect. She could have been a sweet filly with beautiful hair playing about the ankles of her grown counterparts, dreaming of how she will decorate herself when she grows up. Instead they made her a clumsy, unflattering mule. :(
If people think this is racist, pffft... they haven't seen Scrub Me Mama with a Boogie Beat 1941. You want a really edgy racist cartoon that puts the first letter in that awful slur, go watch that. This is heavenly compared to that hell.
Sunflower's kind of adorable here and her mannerism's are cute. Just put that tooth back in! Less of a caricature that way, especially if you just give her a slight afro with bows or something.
Wait, how is LazyTown racist?
How in the actual fuck is LazyTown racist
@@maestrogeicho Look up "Scrub me Mama with a Boogie Beat 1941". I got the names mixed up. In the cartoon the TOWN is named "Lazy-Town".
So I heard about this and was like “ I’m sure it wasn’t that bad “ looked it up yeah I can see why this was removed.
The uncensored version is available on Disney Plus. It contains a disclaimer acknowledging that the racism was wrong then and is wrong now, but rather than pretend it didn't happen, they want to create conversation about it.
It's still the censored version. Not sure why they kept the disclaimer up.
Dancing “Asian” mushrooms etc
@@johnnyedd2782 probably for the Zebra centaurs. They aren't as bad as this one but they do still preputate the hypersexualization of "exotic" women of color.
@@jalapeno1119 Assuming everything is sexist or racist will do that to you.
Sunflower is so cute tbh
my innocent little kid brain just thought the babies and kids helped the girls get ready for the boys to come
You know when I watched this as a kid. I thought she ran a hair salon service for centaurs. But I think it was a product of my environment, cause back then we had quite a few black neighbors that ran salons out of their homes. My mother had a favorite she like to visit. We were Black, Latino and poor. Making do with what we had. LOL. But anyways I didn't think it was racist.
Honestly, she’s nowhere near as bad as most black characters from that time. Her design is pretty cute, not what I expected at all.
It's actually sad how many people in this comment section have no idea what the Jezebel caricature is- there's nothing to dismiss about it. It's so fucking blatant
They're literally precious.
Until they're out of sight and getting raped and beaten off screen.
all these videos getting brigaded by trolls and astroturfers is fucking wiiiiiieeerd
They love attention, even if it’s negative. I guess they want to suffer in their own cesspool of hate?
Terrible. She should be tall and elegance like others.
No Name yeahhh
No Name explain yourself.
No Name seems like you need someone beneath you to feel better about yourself. I get it, your fragile just like most racist😃.
It was created precisely in the year in which Pinocchio
Man tis used to be my favorite sequence in the Fantasia movie I didn’t know the original version was racist because in the VHS version I had growing up
Sunflower had been taken out (good) .
But damn this just leaves a sour taste in my mouth something that I enjoyed when I was little was hard dark origins
I thinking the same 😔
as a child I just saw this as "she's tiny, so she's a child, that's why she's just helping her "big sis" to get prepared"...
I hate it when people say this stuff to try and cover up the racism. It doesn't matter what child you thought. This was made by adults. Every other centaur is beautiful, she is a ghastly horribly offensive caricature. Plus she's a slave to all the others.
@@seajay632 Uh... I just say what I saw as a child. It was more like to say how dumb I was as a child. So please just chill
@@valyg.creepy5844your still dumb apparently
@valyg.creepy5844 Perfectly chill. My response wasn't just to you. It's to all people who think stuff is fine cos when they were a child they thought nothing of it.
garbage human alert.@@pookiesis1465
This scene exists through the UK VHS of Fantasia thank god
I always wondered why that footage of the green lady played twice.
“Racist! How disgusting. But let’s keep the naked children, I think that might attract a wider audience.”
I dont as well to see what is wrong with naked children ore nudity in general.
@@Peter_1986 Yeah, naked kids all right, but "WTF!? A Black horse don't get his boyfriend, this is racist!". I remember those videos like "list of wors secret scenes from Disney", people get offended for 70's movies and still want to censor them.
Gotta get that catholic priest demographic.
All the characters were topless and there wasn’t any sexual content
Also, the only black characters were portrayed as servants to the white centaurs, and if you can’t see why that is a problem then you clearly aren’t ready to have this argument
They should never have removed her from the DVDs you could get now.
This just popped up in my recommendations 😂
1:02 here shes just doing her job, I not sure if simply servant means slavery, as anyone can be a servant or slave depends if they're respected as people, and here I don't see much mistreament against Sunflower thats excused, it happens more to the White Goatmen than her.
yes, but the intention is to show black people as desperate for money and una le to be at the same level, the point it's to entertaint, even racists, being polite, wich is not less racist