Burger Chef murders: What most likely happened
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- Burger Chef murders: What most likely happened
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What do you think happened?
That Forrester guy actually led police exactly to where the bodies were left and told them accurately how they were positioned. He got into details that were not public. He named everyone involved. He confessed to shooting two. He recanted only after police let it get out that he was assisting them.
I think Jayne was the target because of her brother
Do not agree drugs was the reason why these four were killed. Being from Indy and the same age at the time of the victims, I have followed this case closely from the start. Likely, they were killed because one of the victims recognized one of the robbers. None of the victims fit the profile of a drug dealer. Not even close. Money was the motive. Other Burger Chef’s had been targeted in the area that year using the very same modus operandi. If drugs played a role and you wanted to collect from or seek revenge due to an unpaid drug debt, robbing a restaurant to collect the debt simply makes no sense. The drug related claims are entirely hearsay. Mere association is not evidence. Let us never forget what happened and the victims of this evil crime.
Am I the only one who believes that the Speedway police, while watching the narcotics trade at Burger Chef, decided they could go rogue and take over, killing everyone? If it can happen in NYC, and other cities, large and small, it can surely happen in Speedway, Indiana. This case has all the markers of a police cover up. Early dismissal of crime, botched crime scene and investigation, no one brought to justice, etc etc etc. That Forrester dude was just a patsy and a bad one at that. I would look deeply into the detectives assigned to the Burger Chef Narcotics Investigation.
@@sheilaisaacs981 yes
The families should have sued the police department.
I was a kid in Marion and we all were shocked about the crime. Heard of the cops screwing up by letting the store clen up the place and losing evidence, so sad!
I’ve lived in Speedway my entire life and remember this crime so well. It gave everyone such a sickening feeling to know that such evil was in our lil town. How sad for these families to have never received justice, mainly bc of the shoddy job the police carried out. Such negligence. ❤️🙏😭
MAKES YOU WONDER IF POLICE WERE INVOLVED.
Or if it was a cops kid who did it
Law enforcement doing a "shoddy job" seems to be quite normal in these multiple murder cases, so common, that their total incompetence is mentioned in almost every That Chapter, or This Is Monsters youtube video.
The local po-po either blows off the initial report of the missing person(s), or immediately accuses and browbeats family members, OR the person who reported the crime, hoping to gain a 'confession', thus 'solving' the crime, and guaranteeing the 'investigating' officers and detectives a commendation, and forcing the falsely accused into having to prove their innocence.
Hello Michele - I was visiting my grandparents (who lived at 6019 W.Penway in Speedway) when this, and also when the Speedway Bomber was terrorizing the area. Crazy!
The police were definitely to blame for how they handled the case. They should have done their jobs efficiently, not assume anything. This most likely could have been solved if it had been investigated right.
Not only did they not do crime scene processing at the store , Jayne's abandoned car was found about a block from the Speedway police station. When the bodies were found on Sunday the crime scene was again contaminated by cops milling around the scene. This case had 4 police agencies indianapolis, Speedway, Marion County Sherrif, and the State Police, by the way did ya notice the same boob on the delphi case in this video as well? Pardon me for sounding angry but I worked for Burger Chef for 2 years . I worked with Jayne the whole time, and I even worked nights with her at Speedway store. All 4 of these departments carry the blame for these four and their families not getting justice. There are no words to describe how pitiful and shameful a mess this case was because of shoddy, lazy, bafoons that couldn't find their hands if they sat on them.
so horrible...
Nice job, they were a bunch of bafoons! I also live in Indy and remember this. I worked at the Berger Chef on east Washington st. near Post rd. in the later 60s while in high school. I got fired for shoving the manager down the stairs for slapping me, good times.
That boobs dad was ISP too and the boob was around the same age 16 or 17 around the BC murders. The boobs dad was also involved with the I75 or something like that serial killer
@@clarkharvell5242This was also the night before the Jonestown Massacre and the same night the Star Wars Holiday Special Aired. That must have been one nightmare of a weekend.
All those police departments should have been sued and the officers who got the call should have been fired. That was just damned incompetence.
This was around the same day as the Jim Jones Massacre in Guyana. Nov 18, 1978. It was overshadowed somewhat because of that bigger story.
Correct. Jones was from Indianapolis too so it completely eclipsed this frustrating Robbery/Murder.
I still have Burger Chef Star Wars drinking glasses!
The might me worth something some day. I have Flintstones and Batman Forever glasses from McDonalds when I worked there in the ‘90s.
I have Charles X crystal Caret stemware
I was working as a night manager in a Texas bpUrger Chef back then and was never told about the murders. Found out 30 years later. Terrible police work. Had to have been at least 3 people involved.
It’s absolutely disgusting the way the police flippantly said the teenagers probably robbed the place and went out on the town, very, very sloppy, lazy police work. They should have imagined the kids were their own children and acted immediately and diligently.
Derelict, if not criminal, not simply contemptible. Every LEO involved should have been brought under appraisal. Those who admitted transgression and those discovered to have committed wrong doing, should have been charged with tampering if not sacked for their ineptitude.
That's assuming none were involved in the murders and or drug distribution [collusion] within the restaurant.
Simple incompetence seems to be too boilerplate. Their actions, e.g., lack of crime scene presentation, could be considered amateurish. But fabricatingthe available 'official' evidence [photographs] is akin to a co-conspirator's action[s]. Not that of detectives.
If they were trying to save face in light of public scrutiny, one could think of their attempts at covering up their conductas desperate if not ridiculous. But the calculated staging seems rather suspicious.
Still, we know at least one investigator has not forgotten or dismissed the victims to this day...
@charleslennonbaker normally if it were in any of the other 49 states i would suspect some collusion was going on but its the same state that brought us the Brownstown 3 in 2, the Taylor University switcheroo, and the Delphi investigation. All of which seemed like someone in law enforcement had to be in on it but were all just pure ineptitude and incompetence.
Cops aren't known for being smart
LE in the 70s sucked and didn't cooperate with other agencies. That's why serial killers flourished in that time.
Those cops were beyond dumb. Self serving opinions that saved them having to do police work.
Were they fired?
stop using the phrase “what most likely happened” because you never say what likely happened. Just call it what it is- a recap of a notorious crime - and be done with it
What are the chances that 4 teens would rob their place of employment and not one of them would have gotten cold feet or gotten so nervous that they just decided to bail and go home?
My grandpa used to call every fast food spot, Burger Chef. I've never seen one in my life but i guess they were popular when he was coming up.
Ugh. I was in college in Terre Haute and remember it well. Sent a cold chill through every working young person.
Very sad story. One disagreement with the intro, however. I think large numbers of people in their 40s and over remember Burger Chef, it is hardly forgotten. It was very popular and only an oddly-managed merger with a competitor led to its demise.
I was born in 74....one of my first grade friend's dad was the manager at the Burger Chef in the town.
Quite right!
Maybe it was a midwest thing? I'm 42 and never heard of this place in my life.
My grandmother (RIP) used to love to eat at Burger Chef and complain about how bad the food was.
Burger Chef is long gone, but not forgotten (at least by some of us). Back in '77, it was where we went for Star Wars glasses, posters and other stuff that came with their Fun Meals. I remember nothing about how the food tasted, however.
Burger Chef is owned by CKE (Carl Kartcher Enterprises) Hardee's Food Systems since 1981
It's always so refreshing when the cops see that teenagers went missing and they just shrug it off as unimportant, and by the time they realize that they need to pay attention to the situation, it is too late.
Ummmm you DO REALIZE How OFTEN this happens? RIGHT? Yea guess not.
Cuz IF cops took MASSIVELY SERIOUSLY EVERY DAMN REPORTED "MISSING" TEEN....they'd never ever get ANYTHING DONE.
Christ PEOPLE THINK A BIT, use some logic...before commenting....
I see this silly ignorant statement ALL THE TIME.
1 MILLION GO MISSING IN A YEAR, guess how many JUST Took off and came back soon enough?!? ALL BUT 99.9% of that 1 MILLION.
So ya get what I'm saying here?!?
Sure hope you do. 😂🤷🏼♀️🙄
It’s absolutely disgusting, very, very sloppy, lazy police work.
What could they have done in this case that would have helped change the outcome?
@@TubeAngel are you serious? If they did there job properly, the perpetrators would have been caught and brought to justice. Not only have the families lost their loved ones, they don’t get at least some closure in that the filthy scum were punished for their crimes.
@@TubeAngel Yeah, if the cops had taken the disappearance seriously from the start they might have been able to find the kids. They could have issued a BOLO for the car. Just shrugging and saying, "eh, kids on a joyride" and walk away, not even taking photos or prints, is criminally negligent.
These teenagers were working fast food and lost their young lives. Police do poor work and immediately start blaming the victims. Even now, decades later, they are suspected of some type of narcotics activity. The amount of injustice here is tragic. Kidnapped, brutally murdered, and cast as suspicious all while the crime remains unsolved. Just for working at Burger Chef. May they rest in peace.
Murdering four kids for drugs is a real piece of shit thing to do!
Thank you for this. Living in Indianapolis, never forgot, Horrid the botched way they handled the case. Heart breaks at the outcome, 4 young kids passed way to soon..
I pretty much grew up in a burger chef because my mom managed one and we couldn't really afford a babysitter. I really liked hanging out there as a little kid.
I can only imagine the characters you seen.
My aunt also worked there, and she was my entertainment most of the time that would definitely get someone fired anywhere else. I liked the old guys who came in every day to drink coffee and hang out. It was 40+ years ago and I don't remember a lot outside of my aunts antics, the nice old people, and closing my finger in the door one time. It was better than being locked up home alone like so many kids were back then.
I grew up pretty close to burger chef in Marietta, Ga. A mother daughter team worked there too. They are the ones that told me about this. Was sad to the employees and customers there too. I stayed friends with the daughter for many many years.
To have an opinion as to what happened and who did it is futile. The initial crime scene was compromised and there is very little evidence to go by. The only hope would be some kind of DNA found with the bodies pointing to perfect strangers and then a confession.
Like the Jon Benet case there will most likely never be an answer.
These morons didn't take crime scene photos so i doubt they took anything with dna on it back then before dna was a thing.
Murder of Janette Roberson in Reed City, MI, 1983. Same police blunder. Never solved.
It always amazes me how dismissive police are in missing person cases.
Although there was no DNA in 1978 they still should have collected evidence to be used in the future
And cleaning the restaurant and reopening it the next day........Unbelievable. That was a crime scene as soon as cops arrived.
Those clay models are terrifying looking!
Apparently they ran out of clay before they could apply eyelids, sheesh!
knowing zero things about the 4 missing and they automatically accused them of being criminals.
The way the cops botched this case would have made Deputy Barney Fife proud.
Sad that this case remains unsolved.
Bad job by all cops involved. BC invented the kids meal and it was the 1st time I ever got to go into a place for chow in 62', long live the Super Chef.
I was 16 growing up just outside Indy when this happened. This was BIG news as murders were so rare anywhere in Indiana at the time. This story was covered for months, then on every yearly anniversary. It was a SHOCKING & disturbing case. Times were so different then,.
Regarding the stolen money, I just looked it up and $531 in 1978 is worth $2537 today.
four lives for that. RIP to those kids
We liked Burger chef
There's a deep dive investigation podcast about Burger Chef , called Murder Sheet. If this case intrigues you, look it up.
Murdershits are proven liars and frauds
They suck...lol...
The police work was performed like country bumpkins
Was Barney Fife in charge of the investigation? Sure sounds like it.
Omfg I LOVED BURGER CHEF!!! I'm 51 so I barely remember them....cuz by late 70s there were gone from my town 🙄😞 they were SO GOOOOOD!!!
Ones like this give other cops a bad name.
Seeing Doug Carter at a podium with the victims pictures behind him explains why this hasnt been solved.
Doug Carter oh my 😮
I call him creepy carter
This story has a little bit of everything -- drugs, bikers, hippies, dead bodies, burgers...
I'd forgotten Burger Chef, but I do remember Jeff! This reminds me of the Sirloin Stockade murders in Oklahoma...the regional manager kind of blamed himself, even though the employees had violated a safety rule, regarding keeping the back door locked. He ended up leaving the area and worked (may still be there, if not retired) at the University of Illinois UC Dining Service. Nice guy, but a really bad driver.
So many of these stories with no answers start going south right off the bat, because of the attitudes of the Keystone Cops. Probably had no experience in this kind of situation, and how on earth they could think all 4 employees would steal and leave is amazing! Pathetic!
No they had experience, at least Indianapolis did, they had the LaSalle Street Murders in November of 1971
November 1978. I was an airman at Davis Monthan Air Force Base. Storing bombs.
In what world do men in law enforcement always believe that women just leave places without their purses and coats? All our stuff is in there.
A case both tragic and fascinating.
Can't believe Cops left them clean up scene the next day!
Ikr
1:15 "Like many fast food restaurants" *proceeds to show very posh gourmet restaurant scene*
I think it was one of the other employees who set up a robbery and one of the victims recognized him thats why they were taken and killed.
I heard a similar theory. If I recall, the murderers had had an interaction/altercation previously with the victims on more than one occasion. Whether during the week, earlier in the day or just before the restaurant shut down for the evening. I also heard that the murderers took a special interest in brutalizing Flemmings.
@@charleslennonbakerif that was true they would have been probably spotting and don't buy into the blacks racist theory that the black kid was targeted, he just so happened to be working that night
@@CountofMontecristo-iv9cy His actions, not his race, made him more of a target. The theory is that he confronted the assailant (s) before the victims were kidnapped and murdered while in the restaurant. This theory suggests the assailant (s) harassed at least one of the victims in the restaurant, and he 'challenged' their behavior. The assailants left and returned to the restaurant sometime later when there were few witnesses and kidnapped the victims. As the theory goes, during the assault, he either tried to intervene and was physically stopped and or he failed to prevent the murders that he was witnessing and attempted to escape the same fate. In doing so, his injuries prevented him from getting away, and the assailants took out their frustrations on him after the other victims died. His ethnicity may have exacerbated their actions.
One of the reasons why I found this theory compelling, if not perplexing, is the detail. It is too specific in its detail and concise with the evidence presented. I read or watched this theory in some media years ago, but it bothered me. Who was the source?
@@charleslennonbaker I just watched the ID on it called " Murders at the burger joint". Part of me wants to believe that the classmate that said he witnessed the scuffle the night of the abduction had something to do with it. I also read online that the bearded suspects Son said that he confessed to killing them before his death if that's true then maybe the classmate was telling the truth
@@CountofMontecristo-iv9cy good god.
Does that one guy have elephant bell bottoms?
I worked at a burger chef in the late seventies, it was in Keene NH.
It is such an outrage that the police did not secure the crime scenes in either the restaurant or the woods, did not take fingerprints, or check for dna.
And how is it possible that the same policeman from the Delphi murders was prominent in the Burger Chef investigation ?
There was not DNA collection methods in 1978.
What a bunch of clueless cops! 😔
It’s long been theorized that a burglary attempt got ugly when one of the perps and one of the victims recognized each other, suggesting that the perps did not expect to encounter anyone they knew in Speedway. The two male victims had connections to the east side of the Indianapolis metro, and one or both might have recognized and been recognized by at least one perp from the east side. One victim had lived there. Another went to church there. I wonder if anyone ever systematically looked at possible suspects who frequented the places the victims had frequented on the east side. Of particular interest would be potential suspects who were also familiar with the area where the murders occurred. That ideally isolated location was almost certainly not discovered by the killers that night. At least one of the perps knew of that spot before, and likely had recently spent time very close to the spot, possibly at a nearby construction site, in a nearby neighborhood, or at a church that was near the site.
I think the target was Friedt. She was murdered in a different way .....more passionately. The others were collateral damage. IMO
Can't agree with that, Jayne would have fought her attacker.
Her brother was a Coke dealer. He owed $1,000 to his suppliers. Friedt was collateral.
Freidt? According to this video Flemmons was beaten more than the others. Maybe he tried to fight back?
Those kids were way too young to be working that late in a fast food restaurant. Being just 16 and having that much responsibility is wrong. At least the head manager should have called every evening to make sure all was okay. My mom and I, and my 3 year old son, used to eat at that Burger Chef. We lived about 40 miles west of Speedway, but shopped at the mall there often. Never imagined something this terrible would happen like this. My heart breaks for the kids and their families. Police officers should never "assume" anything when it comes to making the right decision.
If this happened today the robber would be facing 30 to 50 year olds. All the entry level jobs are now done by adults that should have moved on years ago. Don't tell me it's because of the minim wage. The minim wage was started in an effort to force more and more people into the welfare system. What do people do who aren't worth the minim wage, they go on welfare. At $15.00 per hour they can find adults with something on the ball rather than high school kids or bums.
I think blaming it on narcotics is fairly imaginative. Selling weed out of a burger joint is not the same as El Pollo Loco selling meth in Breaking Bad. It's most likely that it was just a robbery in which one of the robbers got recognized and went full-reetard and killed everyone. You guys are normally on point, but I feel like you missed the mark on this one.
Sounds like the cops were in on it in some way.
I see how you would think that in the other 49 states. However this is indiana. The state that brought us the Brownstown 3 for 2, the Taylor University switcheroo and the Delphi investigation. They all seem like investigators had to be in on them but they were all sheer ineptness and incompetence.
The first crime is whoever thought it was wise to let 4 minors work till close without an adult around.
One of the victims was 20
@@rosemarymurray5488yep and tho we call 20yrs children they ARE NOT CHILDREN, they're damn adults....
So no I agree there was no minor there that was managing......
It was common in 60s/70s - my brother worked late shift till closing at a McDonalds and his "Boss" was just 19
@@elantricso he had been an adult for nearly 2 years. Sounds like plenty of experience for a shift leader at McDonald's.
@@bradsanders407 "Adult" was over age 21 in in 1967
The police pretty much know who did this, but never had enough evidence.
The men who committed this crime are deceased.
WTH kind of pants is that cop with his back to the camera @2:32 wearing? LOL! I remember the 70s and I remember bell bottoms, but never like that!
I thought the same thing.
I was wondering if they wearing white painting paints, that painters wear, but even painters pants aren’t that big.
I don't understand why they didn't give the guys in the line up fake beards to wear to assist identification. I don't know if that's legal or not, but knowing how much facial hair can alter a person's look, the witness could have been looking right at the clean shaved killer and not even realize it.
Would you please consider looking at the case of Trisha K. Meredith of Indianapolis indiana.
Stuff like this never happens at Burger KING😌
I hate that the black guy got it the worst. ☹️
What this video fails to mention is he was found a decent way from the rest. Its believed he made a run for it and ran head first into a tree killing himself.
Idk being stabbed till a knife breaks off in your body sounds pretty freaking horrible too
@@bradsanders407Nope. Flemmonds fought back and was beaten to death with a Chain.
Ik
Im surprised this never aired on Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack or America's Most Wanted with John Walsh. Walsh would have aired this as it had to do with the slaying od kids Mr John Walsh hated this type of criminal the worst. He would have aired this immediately on America's Most Wanted. Even Unsolved Mysteries would have aired it. Could you imagine Robert stack narrating the story and Him saying to night on Unsolved Mysteries we need your help to find the individuals committed this crime tonight. and then they cue the scary music. Then next show UPDATE minutes after the story aired the murder was captured. Unsolved Mysteries and America's Most Wanted would have done this story.
Exactly.
Too bad they didn't have ccv camera back them
The secret is in the sauce.
Probably a drug related hit. The money was just an added bonus. The cops screwed up big time. No fingerprints, no foot prints no tire impressions, no crime scene photographs.. They couldn't have done worse. Appalling.
It WAS. Jane’s brother was a Cocaine dealer. This was the 70s. Cocaine of course.
those composite busts look more like sophocles or Jesus
Love this series of crime vids: most arbitrary and poorly selected still images... and the trash pile with the blue couch that shows up in. every. one. Keep up the 'work'!
henry lee lucas and otis tool - those guys are dead ringers for the models. didnt otis tool dye his hair at various times? (cross dresser). lets say the non-bearded model's nose was just not remembered correctly... possible. especially the fact that all were senselessly murdered and the whole crime was a massive fail - they often messed up very simple crimes like robbery.
Yes and EYEWITNESS testimony is the WORST THERE IS for false testimony....humans literally SUCK TOTALLY at using their eyes and REMEMBERING
Sooooo, yea real unlikely...why do ignorant always go for the high profile serial killers basic crime like this?
Come ON. There's A LOT of killers A LOT.....
Ya don't need to throw up the same people for every damn unsolved murder 🙄😂
Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole were mainly known for kidnapping one woman and torturing and killing her. From what I’ve read about the two shitbags 4 wasn’t their M.O.
Those poor kids. If only the police had been a bit more competent 😢
Thanks for wasting 16 minutes of my life. I knew I should've googled and skipped the video.
The murders felt awfully personal. They died in such brutal ways.. im not buying that it was just about money. There was another motive
Those clay models are so weak
New movie out about this sad case called "The Speedway Murders" trailer is on YT.
henry lee lucas has been confirmed to have been less than 1/2 a day from indianapolis in 1978 and toole was with him
Also confirmed to be a compulsive liar who would admit to whichever case was laid Infront of him!
Even hinted at driving to Japan & doing some murders there!
Yes and EYEWITNESS testimony is the WORST THERE IS for false testimony....humans literally SUCK TOTALLY at using their eyes and REMEMBERING
Sooooo, yea real unlikely...why do ignorant always go for the high profile serial killers basic crime like this?
Come ON. There's A LOT of killers A LOT.....
Ya don't need to throw up the same people for every damn unsolved murder 🙄😂
@@peterj5106he drove on over to Japan huh? 😂🤣🙄
@@6Haunted-Days. Aye.....He's certainly some lad! 😏🤔LoL.
Very impressive indeed
Bumbling, incompetent cops fail again. What else is new?
Much like the KFC murders in Kilgore, TX decades ago. Four or five employees were kidnapped and murdered (and one raped). The two Sasquatches were caught and convicted.
This case is very reminiscent of the brown chicken restaurant murder,
No fingerprints were collected 😮
Corpse is such a creepy ugly word
Burger Chef and McDonald's were synonymous in the 1970s. My baby brother called all of them Burger Donald's.
I miss burger chef..used to eat there all the time...Roy Roger's family restaurant was also good
There's never 4 ft of snow here in November you. Dork!
8:40 that’s the guy currently working the Delphi murders
The Police are almost as criminal in the investigation or lack of.
What do some "hippies" getting "inebriated" and having sex in the snake pit, at the track, have to do with anything"?
That was some shoddy police work. 4:16
General Foods bought out Burger Chef..Then Hardee's was Born
Third, or as another true crime channel host might say, "turd".
Answer: Skip to 14 min mark
It sounds more like a ex employee. They were killed because they knew the ex employee. A drug robbery probably would have killed them. They would have just wanted the money.
The person lived within walking distance from the car.
I’m picturing Bill Hader and Seth Rogen from Super Bad as the detectives on this case
The guy who shaved his beard was definitely involved, he had that beard for years and conveniently shaved it off the day of his lineup
Burger Chef is remembered because the food was good. And they invented the HAPPY MEAL. not McCrap. It's not Just treatments for these murders. Hell I was working fast food in Another state when this halogens. And never heard about it till I moved to Indiana in 2004.
I came for the answer not the speculation of it
Is anyone else annoyed that this channel keeps making What Most Likely Happened videos without including a theory or is it just me?
Hey, thanks for the feedback. At 14:17 you'll hear my theory. I'll try to make it even more clear when the most likely scenario is presented in future videos! In what other videos couldn't you find what most likely happened scenario?
Thanks again for the feedback, it's very helpful!
Today is Friday November 17th 2023 and I happened to stumble across this story randomly on the anniversary and this happened in my hometown in Indianapolis, I lived proudly about 16 mins from that burger chef building I heard this story as a kid but kind of in a urban legend type of story.. was told it was at McDonald’s that use to be on 56th Michigan rd (which got torn down and a Walgreens was built there) I was told the bodies were put in a freezer etc but I finally know the true story as of today