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  • Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2020
  • A structural engineer explains how a loft conversion structure works.
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    How does a loft conversion work, and how do you support the roof and floor once you have cut the diagonal timber struts out of a trussed rafter roof? In this video, a Structural Engineer explains how a loft conversion works, showing how to cut and support the roof and floor, and why this is necessary.
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  • @arndale1957
    @arndale1957 3 года назад +7

    We did one with a ply box beam on a traditional roof with purlins very similar this but didn't need steel which made it easier to get in. Great use of sketch up which makes it very clear.

  • @rickhorridge7355
    @rickhorridge7355 3 года назад +7

    Great video, really clear, informative and concise. I’m not doing any work in my loft personally but I think it’s important to be educated before talking to any contractors etc. So thank you.

  • @Amy89244
    @Amy89244 2 года назад +1

    Thank you Robin. This is exactly what I planned to do with my trussed attic. I am also going to try to do a floor over my 2 story high living room & foyer and potentially add ~800-900 sqft to my house. Thank you for educating people out there ;)

  • @beb38138
    @beb38138 3 года назад +4

    Wow, this is the exact video I have been looking for. I have a friend that has a house that is 95% structurally exact same as mine, only difference, he has an above garage loft. I paid almost 1K for a structural engineer to draw me blueprints for modification of my house to be able to have an above garage loft. What he told me is that I would have to replace the entire section above the garage with a (2x6 instead of the existing 2x4?)... This video made it very clear that the existing structure could be bolstered without changing the entire beam above garage. I will have to reassess with my contractor from before. Again, thank you so much for this video I have subscribed and turned on notifications ✌️

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Thanks Brandon - really glad to have been of assistance. Hope your loft conversion goes well.

  • @immyhuss
    @immyhuss 3 года назад +29

    Would be great if you could do similar assessment for a older roof style. Like for a 1930s that dont have triangle trusses. Trying to understand how to strengthen the floor for the larger spans. Check that walls will take the loads.

    • @jasonfreestone9944
      @jasonfreestone9944 10 часов назад

      Easier on these types of roof’s, because the true rafters are designed to hold up the roof. Hanging beams in there already. Trusses are much more difficult.

  • @vanderpant2116
    @vanderpant2116 3 года назад +6

    Just subbed, I am not a structural engineer, but fascinated by the theory will be binge watching Your calculation vids 👍

  • @derekwilson896
    @derekwilson896 Год назад +2

    Very educational, always nice to learn how things are done.
    Thanks 👍

  • @007JHS
    @007JHS 3 года назад +1

    Fascinating... Have sat up in my huge loft space contemplating the same thing. My trusses are very similar to those in the animation except... My joists have an additional vertical piece from the ridge down to the ceiling joists. My joists and ceiling rafters are all 4" x 2"... without climbing up into the loft right now and measuring I bet they are closer to 100mm x 50mm. Now 'if' I go ahead with my project, it seems to me that doubling up the angled roof or tile supporting rafters is achieved with by doubling side by side the rafters (Don't worry I'd not do anything without consulting a structural engineer and having specs drawn up). Changingh the ceiling rafters to floor rafters it seems are achieved by placing by the side and abutting each with an appropriate length of 200mm x 50mm floor joist. The Dwarf walls on the outer reaches (if that is the correct term are similarly achieve by installing 200mm x 50mm floor joists end to end that is running the length of the house, or as far along the length of the roof as you wish to go. I'd go further and surmise that in fitting the extra roof support rafters and the floor rafters these would need to be fixed not only at the ends, but with a 100mm screw fastening...maybe even bolts, every 600mm along their lengths. Once the lengthways joist are in place and once the first three maybe four floor joists are in place, it seems to me that the other appropriate pieces may be installed truss by truss before removing the sections that provide the current triangulation. In this way, economy of materials can be achieved be re-using in the next section pieces removed from a completed rebuilt section. As well as saving on materials and costs, it means far less timber to be disposed of as redundant and progress can be made as and when, not having to complete a reconstruction/construction all in one go.... I happen to know a building construction engineer, so if I do go ahead with this project, it is he I will consult... I had toyed with the idea of using structural steel, but this keeps all the materials the same with the same expansion characteristics etc... Not only that... With a half competent person who has all the appropriate tools it can be quite easily and safely completed... And hey!... no need to remove a single tile...except perhaps if Velux windows are to be installed.... Have designed and constructed rooms, steel sheds, truss gabled pergolas covered in clear carbon fibre corrugated panels in the past...so confident about my skill set....

  • @PaulGrosvenor1
    @PaulGrosvenor1 3 года назад +3

    Great video. Very clear!

  • @mikebondarczuk6767
    @mikebondarczuk6767 3 года назад

    excellent presentation with a very clear description of the necessary pinch points for the conversion

  • @garethheathcote4988
    @garethheathcote4988 3 года назад +2

    It's also essential to add extra support from your new floor structure to the existing ceiling timbers. Good video!

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Yes, the ceiling timbers are also strapped at the beam location.

  • @khaqanazizdar2980
    @khaqanazizdar2980 3 года назад +4

    Great stuff . Found what I was looking for.

    • @a111z
      @a111z 2 года назад

      Thanks for the reminder for me to like the video

  • @pclindholm
    @pclindholm 3 года назад

    What an excellent explanation. Thank you

  • @mandipano1
    @mandipano1 10 месяцев назад +1

    As a carpenter in Norway we avoid to convert a self bearing W roof to a A-roof. Something you never mentioned is that the yellow/broun bearing structure must be continued all the way doun to all the floors by building bearing walls that carry the load to the foundation. Another week point would be the pick of the roof, there must be a bearing beam as well suported on boath ends all the way down on gavel walls.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  10 месяцев назад +1

      Hi. The brown structure are steel beams which bear onto the loadbearing gable walls.

  • @Jumbjetsky
    @Jumbjetsky 2 месяца назад

    You are the MAN. I am going to do this myself.

  • @creativemushroom5850
    @creativemushroom5850 Год назад

    Thank you. Great informative video.

  • @Afflictedrox
    @Afflictedrox 3 года назад +2

    Nice video and redesigning insight. To me this just emphasizes the importance of considering this open loft space prior to the built. Now you still have studs, may it be vertical, in your living space. And you've had to lift up the floor vertical by x centimeters.

  • @justtisha
    @justtisha Месяц назад

    Very interesting. I have been considering a way to do this in a garage.

  • @richardjones3112
    @richardjones3112 3 года назад

    Great video,subbed.

  • @Bustershouse
    @Bustershouse Год назад

    Excellent video!

  • @larsolofrosen9737
    @larsolofrosen9737 2 месяца назад

    great content

  • @py_tok5589
    @py_tok5589 3 года назад

    lovely vid, I m working on a similar project currently

  • @weaponizedWalshie
    @weaponizedWalshie 3 года назад

    Great explanation and presentation, thank you.

  • @johncoppock3823
    @johncoppock3823 3 года назад +1

    Great video Robin. Could you do a follow up video and explain how the new design transfers some of the weight that was on the front and back wall plates into the gable walls. Also answer questions like how.to tell if the gable blocks are strong enough and when padstones might be required to sit the steels on. Also other practical considerations. I have seen alternative options for front to back steels that look easier to install but will increase the load on front and back walls. Also any other practical points and considerations etc. I'm thinking about the questions that should be asked before looking for a.contractor that is happy to meet those requirements.

  • @avemaria9113
    @avemaria9113 2 года назад

    Interesting, neighbour of my parent's are converting & I was concerned with party wall as they hadn't informed us. Thanks for the heads up

  • @dansupergrip
    @dansupergrip 2 года назад

    Brilliant video. Thank you!

  • @marklea1758
    @marklea1758 3 года назад +4

    Such an Excellent explanation / easy to understand and interesting. Instant subscriber!! I’m renovating my attic and have talked to a few engineers none have come close to simplifying things like this. You’ve really helped me out. Thank you!

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +1

      Thanks Mark and I'm glad to hear the video helped!

    • @rolanddavies7125
      @rolanddavies7125 10 месяцев назад

      @@RobindeJongh hi excellent videos and illustrations. I’m currently converting a loft . Very old building it has two purlins embedded to both cable ends . The ceiling rafters rest on the purlins . I have created a suspended floor below 10 ft wide the breadth of the fire place . With 3 x 9x 3 100mm into the fireplace wall brick . My concern is removing the ceiling rafters and somehow lowering the to the mezzanine floor I’ve created. The whole width of the building is 24 ft the floor finishes under the purlins . Could i support the roof by fixing it to the new floor bolting it to he purlins then finally bolting it to the roof rafter’s with collar ties at the top

  • @pterodactylx3100
    @pterodactylx3100 2 года назад

    Regarding the long pieces you took out from the roof apex to the 'thin' floor - were these in tension?
    Is this why it was okay to remove them?
    So the roof would not drop at all when you take them out, and might the roof would go up a bit even as it was relieved of its duty of holding up the thin floor (the ceiling of the room below) ?

  • @stevenoleska4383
    @stevenoleska4383 2 года назад

    Question if my house has a Center loadbearing wall do I still need to beef up the floor?

  • @andygodwincouk
    @andygodwincouk 6 месяцев назад

    great collection of videos.. Q. in your experience, do uk councils approve planning to raise the height of bungalow roofs? i need and extra 600mm just at the apex. or does it just depend on the council ?

  • @hudininet
    @hudininet 3 года назад

    Thank you

  • @leejames9422
    @leejames9422 2 года назад

    Very informative. We moved into a new build around ten years ago and the builder had already prepared the roof space for conversion, yet didn’t get final planning permission. A bonus for us in money and time. When fitting a velux fold out balcony that spans the width of two rafters, what is needed to alter the structure but maintain structural integrity? I can’t find any information out here that explains this.

  • @Buflonob
    @Buflonob 3 года назад +1

    Great video. I am curious though how would you go about similar if you wanted to open up the eaves also? So far it looks like a strong peak beam, so roof off job, any alternative options you can suggest?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +6

      Hi Marc. Yes it's quite different for a box dormer conversion. Give this a thumbs up if you would like to see this in another video 👍

  • @bigpicturesstudio
    @bigpicturesstudio 2 года назад

    Great video thanks. looking at you original loft before converted, how much weight of storage could go in there? Also is it ok to put some boards as shelves sitting on the diagonal triangle uprights to take stored items? Hope you can help.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  2 года назад

      Typically they are designed with the absolute minimum weight criteria, in order to keep costs down, which means no storage.

  • @terrycoburn125
    @terrycoburn125 4 месяца назад

    Brilliantly simple explanation

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 месяца назад

      Glad it was helpful! Thanks Terry 👍

  • @Ken-hr6dj
    @Ken-hr6dj 3 года назад

    Good informative video. Is the RSJ sitting on the original joists across the full span gable to gable or should it be raised up? I have a span of 6.2m so using 3 pieces bolted together per side. Thanks

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      It should have a gap to the top of original ceiling timbers, as it will deflect as the weight of the floor is applied to it.

  • @nina1235
    @nina1235 2 года назад +1

    Hi! What app did you use to do this?

  • @sajwali89
    @sajwali89 3 года назад +1

    Thanks

  • @maddalenac7632
    @maddalenac7632 3 года назад

    Thank you very clear. It would be great if you could make a video on a loft conversion with mansard!

  • @kernow9324
    @kernow9324 Год назад

    Thank Crunchie I didn't employ the roofer who told me he could safely take away the rafters to give me more space without having to strengthen the rest of the roof. He said it was "over-engineered"! I believed him but didn't proceed in the end. Robin, thank you.

  • @chrismanville6642
    @chrismanville6642 2 года назад

    Many thanks for this video. Found it really informative and very useful. I just have a question regarding strengthening the joists
    I note that you only strengthen the beams in the middle of the new vertical roof supports
    Do you not need to increase the strength of the joists that sit on the walls IE not in the “storage areas?
    I’m ready to tackle this project myself as it no longer looks like a “black art”

    • @azza1793
      @azza1793 Год назад

      The original “ceiling joists” which remain in the storage area are suitable for light storage, obviously these are not suitable as floor joists which is why they have been replaced in the habitable area with much larger joists

  • @Bhoyo77
    @Bhoyo77 3 года назад

    Great video Robin, I am looking to create a usable storage area as I don’t have the height for a proper loft conversion. The room will be finished with plaster board etc .Is the steel beam necessary and would we need to build the floor or could we lay the floor into the existing rafters ?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Plasterboard and storage will add extra weight which the roof timbers may not be designed to support. In most cases you would need the steel beams.

  • @edgarteniuch4354
    @edgarteniuch4354 3 года назад

    Great, Thanks for explaining :) was thinking but wasn’t shore.I am not Joiner, self Trade will do my first big loft conversion for 2 bedroom place :)

    • @edgarteniuch4354
      @edgarteniuch4354 3 года назад

      On the comments I sow brown is steel, possible use thick timber instead? :)
      Many Thanks

  • @ede2543
    @ede2543 Год назад

    Can you use RSJ’s with a modern timber framed house for a truss roof loft conversion?

  • @johncarrigan9352
    @johncarrigan9352 Год назад

    if you used collar ties, could you do with out the extra rafter additions?

  • @mxcollin95
    @mxcollin95 21 день назад

    Great video! I’m just wondering how you would get the large beams up in the attic?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  20 дней назад

      You would probably need to take some tiles off the roof and insert them from scaffolding.

  • @washingtonselfstoragecompa8091

    is a loft conversion steel beam method the same as making the walls 8 foot high with a new roof

  • @marconeill9510
    @marconeill9510 2 года назад

    I have a timber kit house with a truss span of 8.4m. I asked around last year for a structural engineer to start the process of conversion but gave up as I could get an engineer to have a look. I’ve looked at telebeam, ecotruss and the traditional timber way. Telebeam by far is most expensive. However I haven’t been able to get an estimate to do it this way in timber. Would you say timber would be less expensive than the ecotruss way? Cheers

  • @RobindeJongh
    @RobindeJongh  Год назад

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  • @paulsackley4119
    @paulsackley4119 3 года назад +1

    Would value your thoughts re structure design, and we are planning to consult a SE. We have 6mx6m carport, connected to house, same truss system.
    There are 90x90x6 SHS SS posts at outside front corners of the fwd truss. I was thinking weld/fix same SHS between these. This would sit under existing fwd truss, the cement sheet ceiling, and a 90x35 batten - thoughts?.
    IYO what size ‘brown beam’ should span from front of carport to house? Does it need to be steel, or can it be sistered LVL’s. Also, is a single brick veneer considered for structural support use? Hope I am not confusing. Cheers, Paul 👍

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Paul. I wouldn't be able to give you direct specific advice here, but you can get me on the following consultation form: forms.gle/4vfWnEvX14LVoTzc7

  • @Gpassantino
    @Gpassantino 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for this video. I've been looking to better understand the "how" of what this is. I'll get a structural engineer to do the calculations, but I feel better informed.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 месяца назад

      Thanks - that's very much appreciated! Glad you found the video useful!

  • @deniscronin1296
    @deniscronin1296 Год назад

    Hi Robin, very good video. Very clear instruction. Similar to my current build... Q . My layout is 6m wide x9m long 45 deg roof pitch. No collar ties,instead 2 x rsj installed as ties spaced 3m apart , 6m long installed two rows of block down from wallplate. rafter ties 1/3 down from ridge board. 1.2 m knee wall above with struts every third stud tied back to wall plate. Is this sufficient to prevent wall spread?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  Год назад

      Hi Denis. I am not able to give specific structural advice on this channel due to the complexities involved, but I would very much encourage you to get a qualified and experienced structural engineer take a look at that.

  • @mschannigan8831
    @mschannigan8831 3 месяца назад

    Is it possible to raise the pitch of an existing roof without tearing the existing roof down and to just modify it?

  • @samehelabd
    @samehelabd Год назад

    Hi Robin, Thanks for these amazing videos of the lofts, I've been watching your videos for almost a year. I think you have successfully changed my mind. I'm now in the stage of preparing my loft for conversion. Could you please help , should the starting point be calculating the beams? Do I need structure engineer to do that? what is the current most cost effective material; wood or steel? Thanks

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  Год назад

      Hi Sameh. Glad you liked the videos! Yes you will need a structural engineer for the loadbearing structure. The starting point should be working out your headroom and checking if you have any loadbearing internal walls. Then I would go with steel beams if you have that as an option, because most engineers can design those for you.

  • @brianm2677
    @brianm2677 Год назад

    We have a similar set up but with a centre vertical timber stud, we are not planning a loft conversion but one day perhaps a little den for the kids. Would the centre post mean its not possible to remove this safely and support in another manner?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  Год назад

      Hi Brian. Anything is possible, but you would need a structural engineer to take a look at it.

  • @GazDaGooner
    @GazDaGooner Год назад

    What support the weight of the two new beams from below

  • @tmh246
    @tmh246 3 года назад

    Great video. Do you have to use steel if it’s just for a storage space?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      I have a recent video on non steel options you may find useful.

  • @tiekuhn3839
    @tiekuhn3839 Год назад

    how on earth do you get that size steel beam up into an attic? is it in sections and welded?? obviously case-by-case but generally speaking I'd love to know how its done. thx for vid!!

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  Год назад +1

      Hi. It's usually spliced and bolted together.

  • @rognevs5695
    @rognevs5695 3 года назад +3

    Have you had any experience with using steel c purlins instead of a large rsj? Like the eco trus system?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +4

      Yes, a video about this is on my radar.

    • @rognevs5695
      @rognevs5695 3 года назад +1

      @@RobindeJongh be interested to hear your professional opinion on this system

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      See my Eco Trus review video here: ruclips.net/video/AJ69IfyhOro/видео.html

  • @leakso1
    @leakso1 3 года назад

    Is it advisable/essential to insert a cross beam from left to right above head height on each rafter, I am flooring my attic, exact same structure as you have described but would love to create a larger room by moving joists. I'm concerned about downward forces pushing the rafters out from bottom (I hope I make sense). I'm no engineer, I'm just a tree surgeon...

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +1

      Hi - Yes it normally needs tie beams near the ridge.

  • @netchameleon7695
    @netchameleon7695 8 месяцев назад

    Can the support beam running the length of the loft be in more than one section? I.e. 3 metre lengths joined?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  8 месяцев назад

      If it's steel beams then usually yes.

  • @Wayne034
    @Wayne034 3 года назад

    so where you have the steel beams , did they have to be steel ? or can they be in a thicker wood say ?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Wayne. It's unlikely timber beams would be sufficiently stiff. You could go with a box beam, trusses timber, glulam, LVL.

  • @johnsheehan729
    @johnsheehan729 2 года назад

    Hi Robin
    Do have any hip to gable examples

  • @conormcgeary
    @conormcgeary 3 года назад +2

    What did you use to make this video , love the pictures

    • @tomfenn7149
      @tomfenn7149 3 года назад

      That'll be SketchUp (Trimble?), using the styles function to change the line type giving a more 'drawn-by-hand' effect.

  • @karlandfro
    @karlandfro 3 года назад

    Is there a horizontal kick on the edge wall now that you have removed the internal diagonals? Does the steel beam need to take that force as minor axis bending?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi. The horizontal reaction is resisted by the bottom chord of the truss which is still in place.

    • @karlandfro
      @karlandfro 3 года назад

      ​@@RobindeJongh where you are cutting out for the stairs. These would be removed? But I assume the trimmer would be designed to transfer this to the ties either side. Also what if there is a windward positive and negative leeward wind loads. The loading would not be balanced?

  • @v-tv3302
    @v-tv3302 2 года назад

    what program is used with the sketh here, pls? thank u.

  • @MrBlackstars19
    @MrBlackstars19 3 года назад

    My loft is identical to this, i want to floor just the center area, by putting 4x2 down on existing joists, so i keep the 11inches of insulation, then loft flooring on top and then build a model railway, does this sound do-able ?
    Thanks.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      It sounds doable. You will need to have the steel beam support for the joists (in brown in the video) or Glulam/LVL/truss/box-beam.

  • @robertkinsella2959
    @robertkinsella2959 3 года назад

    Can you use timber instead of the steel beam and would this steel beam need to sit on a wall, so a wall should be running below the steel or beam
    Or can just it sit on top of the joists

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Robert. The steel sits on a wall at each end. For timber options see my other video: ruclips.net/video/hgH9z_JJDXk/видео.html

  • @THEHANDICAPPERSGOLFWORLD-jd4lh
    @THEHANDICAPPERSGOLFWORLD-jd4lh 2 месяца назад

    Are those beams tooted into either side of the gables. Thanks for vid. Very informative.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  2 месяца назад

      Yes the beams are supported on the gable walls

  • @christophersheppard9516
    @christophersheppard9516 3 года назад

    Trusses are also tied to each other with a combination of diagonal and horizontal bracing which distribute racking forces. How are these accommodated once the triangles are removed?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Christopher. Good question! With a loft conversion you are adding plasterboard and floor boards. Also there will be rigid insulation between the timbers. Your structural engineer will consider this and make a judgement on whether this is sufficient.

  • @vascularlab
    @vascularlab 2 года назад

    Excellent video. Roughly how much does it cost for steel beams and a team to install them with joists abs rafters?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  2 года назад

      Costs vary greatly depending on size of property, loadings, geography, type of conversion, cost of steel, market forces.

  • @spencer4584
    @spencer4584 2 года назад

    Would be awesome to show adding a dormer in after doing this conversion

  • @paulsackley4119
    @paulsackley4119 3 года назад

    Great video. I’d love access to this drawing please… link perhaps?

  • @stilltime4fitness795
    @stilltime4fitness795 3 года назад

    Great video, really clear to understand. One question for me, is this the same method people would use if purely using timber for a conversion? I know almost every conversion uses steals these days and not sure if purely wood strengthening wood satisfy UK building regs. Cheers

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +1

      For a totally timber conversion you would need a timber beam that could span a similar length to the steel, for which you would need a LVL or Glulam or plywood box beam, or timber truss. I like the box beam or truss method and often suggest that in loft conversions I design.

    • @stilltime4fitness795
      @stilltime4fitness795 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh great thanks, is there ever any way to have 2 joists making up that entire span, so having a join, say over lapping a load bearing wall and bolting the second joist onto the first at that load bearing wall point? Thanks for all the content you are providing, it’s very informative and made easy to understand

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +1

      @@stilltime4fitness795 two beams bolted together over a loadbearing wall would work fine, if I'm interpreting correctly what you mean.

  • @spontaniouscombustion4379
    @spontaniouscombustion4379 2 года назад

    Do steel beams not have to be used?

  • @robkemp091983
    @robkemp091983 3 года назад

    The previous owners of my house have started a conversion but abandoned it halfway , they put floorboards on the floor , there are pieces of wood in place for the plaster boards, some boards are loosely in place should I get a structural engineer in to check it out as I can do the plaster boarding myself, I have an electrician and plumber I can use, I would like to do the work myself to save money, but I want to make sure it's safe to finish the project. Any idea how much an engineer would cost to have a look? Would they guide me as what I will need to do

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      HI. Definitely get a structural engineer to take a look. I've inspected "loft conversions" and found beams supported on windows and alls sorts of worrying issues. So get a structural engineer out - the fee will pay for itself.

  • @bigpicturesstudio
    @bigpicturesstudio 2 года назад

    what are the stell beams sitting on and how did they get into the loft?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  2 года назад

      Beams are sitting on padstones in the gable walls. They can be spliced and manhandled into the loft, or inserted through a hole made in the masonry

  • @plummetplum
    @plummetplum Год назад

    Hi Rob,
    My loft height from underside of ridge beam to top of loft floor joists is only 235cm. is there any way I could ever get a loft conversion out of this space without lowering the first floor ceiling?
    Thanks.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  Год назад

      With a rear dormer loft you could have at least half of the space to stand up in.

    • @plummetplum
      @plummetplum Год назад

      @@RobindeJongh Hi Rob, I'm having an L.shaped dormer conversion. The first steel can be hidden under the velux side. I was thinking is it possible to use acro props on the first floor then cut the loft joists to install the second steel close to the loft floor lathe then install the new joists with joist hangers and then fix the old joists to the new joists to keep the floor as thin as possible?

  • @spookhussle1854
    @spookhussle1854 Год назад

    Can you do one with two dormers added ?

  • @mviltd
    @mviltd 2 года назад

    Hi Robin please can you make a video how to make a dormer in the attic

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  2 года назад +1

      Good timing - I've just done a dormer conversion video! ruclips.net/video/BnlYpsZQKJI/видео.html

  • @marckerr1641
    @marckerr1641 3 года назад

    Does the new joists(green ones) not meant to span the whole width of the house and rest on outside wall plate then the steel beams(brown ones rest on top for more structural strength)?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Marc. No, it's the other way around. The new floor joists span from beam to beam, and the beams span from gable to gable.

    • @karmabunnysprout
      @karmabunnysprout 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh Yeah like Marc, I don't understand how the green joists add any strength. Aren't they just increasing the weight on those existing joists? What are they fastened to if not the existing joists?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      @@karmabunnysprout Hi Darren. The existing ceiling joists span just 2.5m in this example, and are now spanning 5m. This means they are over stressed. The new floor joists are deep enough to span the 5m. They are supported at each end by the steel beam.

  • @JackdiyGarden
    @JackdiyGarden 3 года назад

    May sound silly but how is the steel beam supported? Surely it is just bearing on original floor joists? Or is it toothed into the external walls? Cheers, nice video and easy to understand visuals, have subbed 👌🏼

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Thanks - glad you liked the video. The steel beams are supported at each end by the gable walls. For some larger properties they would need support also over an internal loadbearing wall.

    • @nailbomber86
      @nailbomber86 3 года назад

      Any suggestions for supporting the steel in timber frame semi D

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      @@nailbomber86 You may be better off with a glulam or LVL beam, truss or box beam.

  • @MrJimjam2011
    @MrJimjam2011 3 года назад

    What supports the new rafters at the apex? As you have removed the webs the old truss can not be considered structural in any way and cannot provide any stability at the apex?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      There would be collar ties just below the ridge.

    • @MrJimjam2011
      @MrJimjam2011 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJonghWith a truss roof you will need a beam at the ridge.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      @@MrJimjam2011 No ridge beam needed but it would normally need a collar tie near the ridge.

  • @sanzeepapa981
    @sanzeepapa981 3 года назад

    HIi, i am wondering what 3d software yuo used in this presentation?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi - it's SketchUp Pro - see here: geni.us/sketchup

  • @Bward216
    @Bward216 2 года назад

    No discussion of altering the space beneath to support all these beams and joists you added in?

  • @jbrady5979
    @jbrady5979 3 года назад

    Hi if I was to replace 2- 1 3/4x9 1/4 LVLs with a 6x6 steel I beam on a 15ft span would that be sufficient? There was a wall taken down in the center of our house and had an engineer spec the LVLs but just want to go smaller bulkhead or even hide it. There is only 1 bedroom above this small area

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Jeff. Generally speaking a steel will be much smaller in depth than any other option. You would need to get it calculated by a structural engineer.

    • @jbrady5979
      @jbrady5979 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh thank you. I had an engineer spec the LVLs that are there. The steel H-beam I’m looking to go with is 2 inches shorter and will fit into the ceiling cavity.

  • @MrWildwayne
    @MrWildwayne 3 года назад

    I'm designing one as an extension. if starting from scratch and no trusses , whats the best solution

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Wayne. This method with steel beams in the floor, or alternatively a steel ridge beam and purlins.

    • @MrWildwayne
      @MrWildwayne 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh Could we put steel gussets across the rafters at the top just below the ridge, the floor height falls 900 mm below the wall plate, can i email u , dont mind paying for calcs etc

  • @janekbar5
    @janekbar5 3 года назад

    Maybe stupid question but why do we need this steel beam? Can we attach those yellow timber stud to the existing horizontal wooden joists ?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +1

      Nothing's ever a stupid question, and I'm gad you asked! The timber joists are too slender to span the whole way so need to be supported by the steel beam. The same goes for the rafters.

    • @patconnell2472
      @patconnell2472 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh great video, my question is instead of(brown) steel beams could engineered timber joists be used? . Would this not be a more economical.?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      @@patconnell2472 Hi Pat. Engineered timber beams could be used, or timber or steel truss, or a plywood box beam.

  • @JohnnyMotel99
    @JohnnyMotel99 3 года назад

    What do you think of the all steel floor joist and rafter support systems? I think it's called steel truss system. It uses thinner gauge steel, no timber studs, everything bolted together.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Check out this video for my review of a light steel system for loft conversions: ruclips.net/video/AJ69IfyhOro/видео.html

    • @JohnnyMotel99
      @JohnnyMotel99 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh brilliant thanks. Watched some of their videos. My main objection is one you pointed out, cold bridging but on the dormer construction. I hadn’t considered the areas you pointed out. It’s difficult to see how condensation will not form on the steels somewhere and I don’t know how galvanised sheet reacts to long term condensation.

    • @JohnnyMotel99
      @JohnnyMotel99 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh one thing, this system has to have every rafter trussed, just to carry the roof loads. But this means that every ceiling joist must also have a steel, even though one could probably get away with a truss every other joist and still achieve good support.

  • @danielmora8083
    @danielmora8083 3 года назад

    I'm curious do structural engineer charge to come look at attic and see if it could be converted? If yes how much? Also could they give estimate for the cost of the project?
    Thanks

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Daniel. Structural engineers generally always charge for inspections, as they earn their money through hourly rates, similar to how lawyers or architects are set up. They would probably not want to estimate build costs, but once you have a structural design you could send that to builders to get some quotes.

  • @zanily7145
    @zanily7145 3 года назад

    I wonder how much the cost is to renovate an attic like this

  • @seanoturbo
    @seanoturbo 3 года назад

    We had a purlin beam across the length of the top area where your connections are. That’s another way to do it? They were thick beams..

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Sean. Yes, can be done that way. You'd need to support the floor however.

    • @seanoturbo
      @seanoturbo 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh thanks for your reply. I guess that depends if there are joists or not.

  • @TheToolnut
    @TheToolnut Год назад

    Tasty enough lads to be fair. That said i would have had a continuous double top plate. Also i would have used gluelam beams instead of steel.

  • @RC-jx9nw
    @RC-jx9nw 3 года назад

    I believe you would also need a ridge board/beam here as once the compression web is removed the tip of the roof is no longer supported.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi. Ridge beam not usually needed, but collar ties near the ridge are usually needed.

    • @RC-jx9nw
      @RC-jx9nw 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh collar ties would significantly decrease the headroom and I believe the purpose of these is to prevent roof separation under wind uplift. As they are in tension I am not convinced they provide adequate support which should be provided by spanning the ridge board between gable ends

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      @@RC-jx9nw Hi. Sorry I can't comment on your particular situation. In the example shown in the video no ridge beam is needed as the new steels and loadbearing studwork support the rafters.

    • @RC-jx9nw
      @RC-jx9nw 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh Hi thanks for the clarification.

  • @scootertheeb6172
    @scootertheeb6172 2 года назад

    Convert truss into rafter?

  • @user-nw2lm9xq1x
    @user-nw2lm9xq1x 3 года назад

    this progrsm name?

  • @Peter-uk3sp
    @Peter-uk3sp 3 года назад

    Thanks for this I was considering buying a house (1st time buyer) on the basis we could convert the loft which from my brief inspection appeared to have this very triangular style truss/rafter style. Robin, would you be able to suggest a rough estimate as to how much a conversion like in this video, might cost? Not to do myself (I'm terribly un-handy), but what might a standard conversion specialist quote? Would be v grateful for your thoughts.

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      Hi Peter - I'm afraid I can't, as figures vary greatly. You would need to get a quote from a loft conversion specialist.

  • @rc21
    @rc21 3 года назад +2

    Informative video - thank you. I have, what is hopefully a quick question: Are all the beams (Green and Brown) steel? Are the studs (Yellow) wooden?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +2

      Green are timber floor joists. Brown, steel beams. Yellow timber stud wall.

    • @rc21
      @rc21 3 года назад

      @@RobindeJongh Thank you. That's a potentially huge steel beam! I assume you the beams are installed in sections? Also, if either end of the house are of a brick wall construction, do you tie it in to the wall... Or is it fine just sitting across all of the original beams?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад +1

      @@rc21 For a home the size of the example used in this video, beams would be fabricated in several sections with splice connections, and there would need to be an intermediate supporting wall. I saw a loft conversion recently for a building about 15m long using this method.

    • @CucumberFanatic
      @CucumberFanatic 3 года назад

      I used Flitch beams in my loft conversion that I manafactured myself in the loft space, do some research because if your engineer allows it they can be much easier to work with :)

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  3 года назад

      @@CucumberFanatic I've designed flitch beams often. Bear in mind they are a fraction of the strength of an I-beam or C-section for the same weight, so you are going to have to lug a larger weight of steel into your loft.

  • @Jumbjetsky
    @Jumbjetsky 2 месяца назад

    So the brown beam is a steel beam?

    • @RobindeJongh
      @RobindeJongh  2 месяца назад +1

      Yes usually > geni.us/structural

    • @Jumbjetsky
      @Jumbjetsky Месяц назад

      My house is 8x11 meters and I have bearing walls in the middle so 4 meters. Do I still need to install steal beams