How to Board your Loft
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- A complete DIY guide on how to board your loft - from the mistakes I've made, lessons learnt and modifications to come!
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0:00 Introduction
1:02 Noggins
2:45 Choosing your Flooring
4:20 Board Positioning
5:38 Boards wrong way up
7:23 Staggering the boards
8:59 Perimeter Noggins
9:26 Ryobi saw review
10:12 Joint & joist glue
11:01 Access panel
14:27 Sealing the Floor
14:50 Lighting
15:03 Patreon
15:44 The Hoist
17:25 Subscribe to Me!
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I know it's been said many times before, but it's the candour and the shared learning through the errors made along the way, that make these videos.
Agreed, honestly at its finest.
Yeah nobody wants edited perfect projects as everyone knows nothing goes to plan every time 😂
Well said
Yeah , i like Charlies honesty sharing his errors superb tutorial my Fave DIY channel
Pointing out the mistakes is brilliant, because mistakes are always the stuff you learn the most from.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks, I really appreciate that. 👊
Great Job Charlie !! The man who never made a mistake ,never made anything !! Wishing your family and yourself all the best for the future.........Fantastic video, thank you !!
The honesty in your videos is so refreshing and enables others to learn as these are common mistakes we could all easily make Charlie. So much detailed information as well thank you. If I ever earn enough money to purchase my council house I'll be doing something similar. Great work as always mate.
Thanks mate, really appreciate 👊that
It's so easy to create a RUclips channel showing off how brilliant and perfectly everything goes so it's hugely refreshing to watch Charlie's open and honest assessments packed full of learnings which will help us all avoid the same mistakes ... spot on, thank you!
22mm mdf floorboards like you used are slowly becoming industry standard on additions, especially commonly used (by me) on loft conversions, using expanding glue to the joist to reduce squeaking
Plenty of errors made when doing this. At least you admitted them and pointed them out so others don't.
much appreciated... your point about why the boards need to be laid good side up was well made, and something that i might otherwise have overlooked. thank you.
Charlie, please do a video on the loft insulating !!! I'm thinking of doing mine so would appreciate your insight 😉
Another fab video. I can watch your videos all day long. Plain, straight forward explanations. The lighting you used is really good and looks great in the framing. Keep up the good work. 😊👍
Excellent video Charlie, as always. Thank you for the honesty, the sign of a good teacher.
Great stuff as always , I’ve just recently had a concrete garage installed as a workshop/ store it’s 6mx5m . Our original two car garage was turned into a granny annex some 20 years ago . When we decided to get rid of three rotting shed’s we have , I did look into having a proper brick construction put in . Well the cost was absolutely staggering , at least three times the price of the concrete structure . Even the base would have to be done to a higher standard to meet building regs , which a concrete structure does not require not even planning was required . All this leads me to realise if you’re lucky to find a property with an existing building, just how valuable it is and often it doesn’t really reflect in the purchase price of the house . I know you have done lots to your garage , but I wonder if you’ve ever looked what it would cost to replicate it , it might be quite an eye opener . As a point of interest when we converted our garage into a granny flat , it cost £ 20, thousand all in . Just before I retired as an electrical contractor , I worked on a similar project to ours ie existing garage made into a granny annex . The project came in at just under £80 thousand and is actually smaller than ours . Now knowing you I recon when the time comes you will save some serious money Best wishes and kind regards as always . 😀👍👍👍
Nice work. I'm just finishing laying a structural plywood floor as part of a bungalow loft conversion. I've got to sister up rafters onto the ridge RSJ. Insulation is going to be with a product called Actis which I have managed to haggle down to less than Pir board. For a habitable space for part L of UK building regs its great as it expands slightly to fill in between the rafters. I am looking forwards to seeing your StairBox video as I intend to order one. Great content.
I really appreciate it when you go through mistakes. It's so helpful. As I am learning myself, all of DIY is making mistakes and getting over them. Another great video!
Mistakes are how most Diyers learn & thanks to people like you we stand a good chance of not making too many.
I have a raised loft floor & increased insulation project coming up so I was interested in seeing this one for any tips. My raised loft floor is only for occasional access & storage so I won't be gluing any boards down in case I need to get them up again in the future to access the 1st floor wiring etc. However, the takeaway from this video for me is that the floor board layout is going to be important. I will be working with a mixture of existing & new T&G chipboard so I need to minimise waste & awkward edge fillers.
Keep up the good work..
👍
Great video, Charlie. I’m not as ambitious as you with the diy but I love your videos and find them very relaxing and interesting ☺️
Good job. Over engineered a little perhaps but better more strength than not enough. Must say I have never glued these boards together and never had a problem plus you can get them apart without destroying them if you only screw them in place. Love your videos. They must be a big help in giving confidence to people with their projects.
For the hatch, you could get a couple of handles which you attach via bolts going into threaded inserts. When you're done, you remove the handles and the inserts remain.
If you recess the inserts and use shallow headed bolts, you could even leave the bolts in there.
You could also just use some webbing screwed into the sides of the hatch which you are able to pull the hatch out with.
As someone who is about to board their loft this has been extremely useful. Good job.
This is my job for Summer '24. Good tips. Wish me luck!
Charlie epitomises 'the man in the arena' - best damn speech ever written imo. Charlie you're an everyday hero.
I like this channel. Charlie is so humble.
New Sub here. Really liked the way you showed your mistakes, so others wouldn't make them. That's humble - and much respected !
I love watching this channel, I used to help my dad with DIY and watching this reminds me of him and the good times we had together 😢
Thanks so much for this. Chuffed my vids remind you of those good times. Precious memories! 👊
You are a top guy Charlie, not least because you are willing to admit mistakes . Thank you , your videos are a pleasure to watch.😀
Was really looking for this from our Charlie!
Got a similar space to do in my own garage loft, suffice to say I would have made the same mistakes! Great video with lots of learning points, thanks!! 👍🇬🇧
Really helpful to be able to learn from others' mistakes! Thanks for the video
Great video Charlie, always such a useful channel and I’ve learnt a lot from you. Thanks for taking the time to put these out there
I put the boards the wrong way up too! Im glad im not alone there, i did stagger them but they arent glued. So i can get to services underneath. Im hoping its strong enough. Its just for storage so hopefully its ok
Been getting into DIY over the last few months, just wanted to say thanks for all the videos
Thanks so much John. I didn't even realise I could get super thanks' but I really appreciate it and am chuffed you're finding my vids useful.
Great job, thanks for sharing. Along with your other subscribers, I appreciate the honesty in admitting your mistakes. Too much content on RUclips gives people the false impression that everything just goes flawlessly first time around. In my opinion, this implied perfection would be rather off-putting for the novice DIYer.
Glad you mentioned the funky looking Ryobi track: It was the first thing I wondered about. Evolution actually makes a standard circular saw that runs on Evolution - and, presumably, Makita or Festool tracks.👍
This is the best loft videos I've come across (good descriptions and you showed everything, step by step).
Thanks. There will be a video this weekend on the staircase construction all being well.
At last a real life loft boarding video! I have a much smaller space to re board next month but I can use 18mm boards as the centres are 450mm wide. Spax screws seem to be the way to go and adhesive for the tongue and groove. Great video, very useful.
Thanks mate, I appreciate that and good luck with the boarding. 👊
Great video Charlie as always, very interesting and informative
Fantastic, thanks for showing the mistakes too that's so humble of you, much respect for that, and a very enjoyable video, looking forwards to more, all the best to you.
Great video Charlie. I liked all the ideas including the areas where you went wrong. I would have done the same with the boards and the markings...!
Thanks for the updates charlie.
Thanks Val, and good to great from you! Hope you're both well.
Another great video. Love the shared mistakes.
Amazing as always - the mistakes are the best bit!
Lovel your honesty Charlie .
I must admit I would always make those Mistakes ..🙄 ..
Great Tips & advice ..
Esp on leaving a 10mm gap .
Could u use 18mm OSB board But NOT ....t&g ..(incase I have to get access ) 🤔pipes cables etc ...
Gantry is great, wondering if I can adopt the approach in my garage loft with gable opening doors. As others have noted, the honesty over the challenges is reflective and useful for the rest of us who are DIY'ers
Thanks Paul, really appreciate that. Yes, it's worth a try. 👊
Awesomeness and thanks for sharing your mistakes so that others like myself have a chance of benefiting
Thanks, really appreciate that. 👊
Really useful, thank for posting this video. I would never have thought of the expansion space.
Thanks, glad you found it useful 👊
Hi Charlie, great honest video. You make a good point about which way up to lay the flooring, not least because some manufacturers put the print on the reverse side so you do have to read carefully and not lay on autopilot (don’t ask)! The floor also goes together easier when you lay it the right side up as it’s been engineered to be done that way. Great idea about leaving the hatch, to0 marks to your chippy 😀
Thanks mate. Yes that's another good point about why they do it that way up. 👍
Joist and noggins! Love this channel.
I'm a cyber security consultant by trade but really want to do woodwork and basic DIY. Your channel has helped IMMENSELY!
Thanks Charlie!
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment. Chuffed you like the channel 👊
@Charlie DIYte best around :)
Will I ever re-roof my roof myself? No.
Will I need to dig a trench for a new cable for charging my car? Heck no.
But I'll watch the videos, make notes and enjoy them. Keep up the great stuff, Charlie!
great stuff - i look forward to the staircase build
We're in the middle of putting down 22 caber on a property renovation and it is good stuff. It is dense and really tonight! Man that glue is sticky, trying to stay off the squeeze out is so difficult 😂
Love learning from your videos
Fair play to ya, counter battens on the beams running the opposite way I reckon works best for strength and board centres.
Up the chippies!!!!
Great Vid mate, I’m
Looking to doing a loft renovation so this really helps! Keep up the good work
Thanks. Glad you found your useful. 👊
a great eye opener. bigger job than i anticipated. thanks!
Thanks 👊
Helpful video, thanks dude 👍🏻🙏🙏👍🏻
Re the loft hatch I’d be tempted to screw some magnetic material to the areas where you need to pull on and get a strong magnet to give you something to pull on. Think of the magnets that people go magnet fishing with. As you have the hoist means you could use that to pull the hatch up.
Once again a timely vid. Had a loft hatch installed by a plumber who needed additional access, and he cut two joists with no reinforcement! So I am looking to add some strength- good to see how you've done it. I have used 22mm caber before and agree it's good stuff.
Glad to hear you found it useful. Thanks for the comment 👊
Learned a lot here thanks Charlie 👍🏻
Chuffed to hear that - thanks for the comment 👊
Great channel Charlie. Soon be 500k subs 👍
This is excellent - I have boarded mine but as a new build the joists would let me stick a treadmill up there haha!
A very inspiring place to set up a treadmill, facing a block wall! 🤣
It's got a TV in there now, and I might put some Velux in when the finances recover.
Torx fixings for the win!
What impact bits are you happy with?
Hi Charlie, nice job👍👍 , I did my roof flooring a few years back laid on 3" by 2" lengths of wood as my loft joist are all over the place Hight and distance wise , added leg supports and screwed never bothered with clueing , no need after all the screw are fixed in , not had a issue with separation or splitting
Thanks Stuart. Sounds like you did a good job there 👌
Just a reminder that the ceiling ties are always in tension and so some way should be found to stop the roof from spreading when you cut one for your hatch. Screws into the end grain is not normally sufficient. Angle brackets each side of the cut joist, bolted through the trimmer should do.
Regards
Tom (Structural Engineer)
Thanks Tom. I'll also angle bracket the joists down to the wall plate. Pretty sure it's nailed down but won't harm to put extra brackets in. Appreciate the comment 👊
@@CharlieDIYte Sounds good but remember that it is the roof trusses which restrain the top of the garage wall so it is backward to secure the trusses to the wall head expecting the wall to prevent the trusses spreading.
I would rather watch you Charlie,Who is honest enough to show your mistakes and what you would do different for another time,Than someone who post's some slick video thinking he is the bees knees.Keep up the great output always very informative
Great video. And as usual in great detail.
Thanks, it took for ever to put together for some reason.
Adding an expansion joint makes perfect sense, but does anyone know how this is meant to work when there are numerous screws holding down the rest of the floor? It seems the gap would only be able to accommodate expansion from the outermost sheet, leaving the rest without any expansion potential.
Indeed, it is confusing. Imagine if he had glued as well. Even more redundant
@@MrWarfd001 btw wasn’t a criticism of the way Charlie did this. You see this method applied in lots of situations. Totally understand that a fully floating floor wouldn’t be appropriate. Maybe you can ignore expansion here because both materials are wood and would expand similarly.
Respect for showing mistakes
Amazing vid!!! Love the hoist !!!!
Thanks, I really appreciate that 👊
Amazing video.
Thanks Charlie, really useful !
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment. 😉
Another great video Charlie
Thanks Paul 👊
Excellent work as usual Charlie, love the honest content and it looks great! How many times did you punch the bag!👍
That hatch is perfectly fine only thing I would done would have done differently is used annular nails on the joist hangers
Nice job Charlie! Thank you for sharing the video with us!💖👍😎JP
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment 👊
@@CharlieDIYte 😎
Crikey Charlie, so much in here. I was initially moved to comment unfavourably on the mistakes. However, when I reflected on my own sorry progress in so many projects I thought no, the guy's being honest, let him alone. Seriously though, you've covered so much in this post, it's hard to take it all in. Over the years I've whittled down my subs to diy/woodworking chanels as I got overloaded with advice. Charlie DIYte is still there. One of the few.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate that, both your thoughts on the video and the fact that I'm still on your video list. 👊
nice one charlie
Great video. Thanks
Thanks 👍
Another brilliant video 👌🏻
Thanks Brian 👊
Some great tips. Its made me seek answers to two issues i might face building a house.
1. How to support boards on a new house where some of the joists change direction by 90 degrees.
2. Gluing the T&G and the boards to the joists or using green glue tape on top of the joists instead because my floor decking needs installed during the build when no roof is on. I was advised to use minimal nails until the roofs on then screw it all up otherwise water sits in the screw heads and works into the chipboard past the 45 day weather protection. But with minimal screws the boards wont pull down well to the glue so maybe the green glue separation tape would be best.
Thanks. They do a version with polythene film on it for your type of situation - caberdek. That would be ideal. The screw holes are still an issue though. I guess you could tape over them as you say.
@@CharlieDIYte taping over could be a good idea.
The tape i referred to was 3mm foam tape by green glue which adheres to the top of the joists and acts as a sound decoupler between the joist and caberdeck.
Very interesting hoist! Is the treadmill and sofa etc. the reason you made a Hatch instead of an attic ladder
@Charlie DIYte why don't you put hinges on the loft hatch, we have hinges on our hatch in the house, it's so much easier than having to lift it out every time
Cool video
Nice video Charlie! I've done this myself in OSB because it was almost the same price as the chipboard. Did you find a big price difference between the chipboard and OSB?
I wish you made this video last year!! Wicked
Thanks mate 👊
Lovely stuff
Thanks 👊
Oh dear, nightmare mistakes. Thanks for sharing. The mistakes are super important.
good video charlie !
Thanks Mark 👊
This may have been mentioned in another comment but how do you do this if there are pipes above the beams? Would you have to make a false floor essentiallt to raise the new floor above to create gaps between pipes and the new floor?
I got some flush handles for a fraction of the cost from Hiatt hardware. They are the same quality and probably the same supplier as Screwfix/Toolstation.
Good work 👌
You're a genius, and we appreciate all the experience you're putting into show on these videos so we don't make mistakes while trying the same work. Thanks for uploading
I’m adding some loft flooring right into the roof corners - will only have boxes stored on them (no one is short enough to stand in these areas!). Anyway thought I’d watch this just to see if I could get any hints or tips. Definitely some food for thought. One idea…your loft hatch. What about a system similar to drain inspection? Sausage shaped holes that T bars fit into? Insert and twist to lock the T bar and lift to lift the hatch?
Yes I like the T bar idea. Thanks for that 👊
Yep, can recommend a hoist. My father in law installed one - thought he was mad - but 250kg SWL electric hoist from
Machine Mart mounted on a steel rail that slides, mounted across four rafters has been great for big heavy stuff.
Yep that'll be more than adequate for most jobs.
As usual, an excellent video, Charlie - so clear and practical. Were I ever to create a YT channel, or even an Insta account, it would be called (with a tip of the knitted beanie to Ernie Wise) something like “Mistakes Wot I have Made”. Akin the film “The Plank” but with far less comedic merit. Looking forward to the Episode In Which Charlie Insulates The Garage Loft. Cheers!
Thanks Chris. Ah yes, that would be awesome. 👌 Thanks for taking the time to comment. It's much appreciated.
I have a new corded Makita saw with an attachment that works very well with Makita track - haven't done bevel cut which would ruin the rubber line
Ah, that sounds perfect. 👌
Proper Dad points awarded for getting the 97KG treadmill up there, Charlie!
Thanks buddy 👊
How is the treadmill on that surface? Does it make a massive noise?
Also, how on earth will you cope with the extreme heat? It doesn't look overly insulated in there?
Hi Charlie, Will there be a video on all the steps you took to convert your loft? I’m looking to draw up plans of converting my loft so a video would be incredibly helpful
Have you seen this update ruclips.net/video/q9r4KZSxiRs/видео.html I'll try and do an update in the summer but it won't be complete because this is just a garage loft for now.
I was reading a loft boarding website recently called the loft boys itd in Hoddesdon who recommended only storing a maximum of 25kg per square metre. I could be wrong though.
What would you do if you have insulation that protrudes the joists
For the big hatch use van load points
Nice idea 👍