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"The updated Prism will increase the base damage after each hit by a static amount that is equivalent to "partial light", and that scaling factor is doubled if you have Eclipse active in "Light" mode."
[DE]Momaw on the forum post.
This is great news I hadn’t seen that!
@@Brozime I'm definitely relieved myself, since I finished her prism build the day before they announced the changes
Oh holy shit that is kind of a relief to hear. I just wrote a semi rant comment because I was gonna be really disappointed if my augment prism build got nerfed to the ground.
Thank God, I was about to give up
Thats awesome, I really enjoy that prism/mirage build.
the circuit change was definitely needed since players leaving early or soft locked in it after every tier
That and also for solo if you didn't get a perfectly good setup, a defense mission 5+ was just way to risky imo
@@camolot2102 learned this the hard way last week when i was making great progress up until the 2nd defense SP. Weapons did nothing and all i could do was watch the defense just get dogpiled
It's coming a year too late
They leave early because they don't like their equipment. They still are going to leave, even if the other teammates get a god-tier setup
@@Asdqazasdqazthat's not an excuse since they can see their equipment beforehand, if they still do it, then it's completely on them and they are dumbasses.
To be clear, if Inaros's 4 is ticking and proccing once a second, it literally can't full strip by itself as older procs will have expired before you ever reach 14. So that's... a little sad.
That said, if his 2 is also kicking out corrosive, there's still value there.
I think it's a typo, Pablo said (and showed) that the corrosive damage and status is per tick, not per second.
@@thesucc990it’s probably just worded weird because as Broz said it could be that much damage per second but it is spread out into a bunch of smaller ticks throughout each second
@@jakeharrison207 In Pablo's showcase, the swarm was in fact dealing 1/10th of his max health per tick. He had 7851 max HP and the damage was 785.
I know I wrote this in another video, but with all these changes to the warframes and how frequently they are coming, it makes total sense to hold off on that special list until it all drops and we can at least have some time to break them all down.
It is kind of insane to consider how many frames got changes or reworks over this last year and in these last few months.
Brozime continues to be the #1 Loki hater and I'm here for it
*#1 Vauban hater :(
@@SuicidalRevolver oh yeah that too
PTSD from the days of Stealth Gas Loki
In regards to Prism, Momaw clarified in a comment on the thread that Prism would still scale at half the current rate without the solar eclipse buff active, with that number doubling up to the current rate in full lighting while solar eclipse is active
So this means the prism build is still good?
@@benlee3492 Yup, Prism is remaining pretty much untouched so long as what Momaw said is true
@@MrWrightPlays technically a buff as you get full consistency
Honestly just make Eclipse a defensive subsume with 90% DR only on helminth, we already have enough damage buffs
@@padarousou…roar
@@Ledhead-yr1yy Roar is not very good for Eidolons which I used eclipse for, mainly. Current Eclipse gives you more raw damage than Roar vs Eidolons. You can't use DoT-s against the trees.
@@padarousou This is Brozimes channel so ofc people are gonna say roar. But in reality except for some niche builds eclipse is far and away the better dmg ability if you actually use it properly
Having a 90% dr helminth would have been so nice. Most people probably wouldn’t touch it but for those not relying on shield gating and wanting to play frames like banshee etc comfortably
@proximityclockworkx1572 Eclipse gives damage vs Eidolons, who you fight during the night? What am I missing? Is the lighting in Warframe really that broken or is there an angle on this?
They should make it so that heavy weapons bypass damage atenuation, or at least are more effective against it, to give more of a reason to deploy them in a mission, and make archgun mods more valuable
lol maybe I would love to see any heavy weapon take out a netracell mech or worse a SP mech before running out of ammo.
Interesting idea, worth considering
Agreed heavy weapons should feel like taking the cannon off of the gauss hog in halo 3 not trading to the assault rifle when you had a battle rifle.
Cannot wait for this update. Lotta good things coming
I haven't played Inaros in years. I hope he'll be able to scale.
Same. I think his 4 will let him at least mass CC and armor strip
@@duskdeadman4333 yeah he can armor strip in 14 sec (with green shards)too long and expensive just cc and finishing kill
He got my first unbra forma, would love to play him again
If Helminth Eclipse DR was 90% I would replace Ember's stupid DR with it.
Her DR ability (2) also makes your 3 fully armor strip, doesn't it?
Yeah but you can just cast it twice, probs going to cast it a few time anyways just for more heat procs. I was also planning to just yeet her stupid 2 in the toilet lol.
@@jonahbrown5669 Yes but it's a pain in the ass
or combine it
Eclipse will still be useful when combined with adaptation. It’ll give enough time for adaptation to kick in during most missions.
I don’t play warframe anymore, but when I did you were and still are one of my favorite creators, thank you for always keeping our community informed ❤🎉
Very good breakdown by broz especially on the critical side. We love that!
The only use cases for Eclipse as a helminth that I can see are on Nezha or Citrine, basically kicking their natural DR up to almost-Revenant levels and giving you damage if you need it.
I mean between both of those frame's defensive 90%'s, and Adaptation, they're already basically there. Plus they both have ways to generate a ton of health orbs to tank it out, Citrine can shieldgate spam, and Nezha gets an invulnerability timer after halo runs out. I don't see an extra 75% dr adding anything to their build or identity.
Why? So people can have more diminishing return for damage reduction? There are way better defensive helminth abilities in the game if you just don't want to die.
Didn't they say that they were going to make Mirage go back to a final damage modifier with a lowered base of 30% in helminth?
Note: I did some digging, and the remembered that the reason that I thought the modifier was a final modifier was because of an earlier post from [DE]Juice that said it would remain a final damage modifier as opposed to a weapon damage increase. This was later changed, which, tbf, they did say they might.
They did but i guess they lied
@@logic1093 Yep. I keep hearing about how the devs really listen to the community unlike other games, but I'm not seeing it that way.
Yes, and they did, It's written in the workshop
Isn't that exactly what they did? They are keeping Mirage as a final damage modifier and the helminth is now a 30% base or am I missing something
Unfortunately it doesn't really make the Helminth any better as it's just worse than Roar.
The problem with the defensive part of the mirage subsume is it quits being useful mid game, and helminth is 100% an endgame system by the time you have access to the subsume the defensive capabilities are useless.
I know dozens of newer players that have helminth and many of its good subsume abilities, so it's definitely not as "endgame"-y as you make it out to be, but you're right about 75% DR not being super great.
Helminth is very much a middle-game investment considering many early players will have grinded the regular frames first, no idea where you got the "endgame" from.
Endgame is MR8, apparently.
@@DawnAfternoon I was well into steel path before I got the segment. I find it hard to believe there are a bunch of people who have figured out about helminth and actually done the grind to unlocked it before they are already at the point where the DR is basically useless.
It is absolutely not a mid game system.
@@wy100101 late mid-game-ish tbh seen a lot of people in my clan with helminth due to watching youtubers but still didn’t have the new war or whispers done. Alls it comes down to is what you focus on.. the “end-game” claims are being skewed by when helminth came out (2 years after steel path iirc) so meh you could get helminth as early as mr12(?) Or so.. and don’t forget you can buy the segment outright from the market so technically anyone can get it whenever.
the circuit progress change is good and it shouldve been like that from the beginning, seeing the progress bar filled up and rank up, decrees saving progress in duviri and sort of resembling sanctuary onslaught that lets you keep progress even if efficiency reaches 0, intuitively tricked myself into thinking that before losing like 6 or 7 ranks of progress in the first week
Since Eclipse has been changed I would have loved it if they had to where it didn’t matter if you Tap/Hold to cast the ability you get a parkour/bullet jump buff to make her more nimble.
I was really happy first time when they announced that damage reduction is gonna be 90% which some warframes they really needed
Per-wave reward saving is AWESOME! Seriously, as someone who crashes quite a bit, I appreciate it a ton. As for making players feel free to push themselves if they please, there's also the ban issue that has been going on since forever, even just the trade-bans suck and seem mostly avoidable. Also, I love the tradition of ridiculously long runs pushing the game's scaling beyond intention, that's just CLASSIC Warframe, but I'd love more ways to push ourselves to some kinda limit in more reasonable amounts of time. Keep the classic stuff, but it'd be crazy to get a survival that pressures your revives and/or kps before you even get there, I'm thinking through mini-bosses that really make you dance.
Was really hoping to use eclipse as a defensive tool. The only real damage reduction we have in helminth is null star and that doesn't even work on shields!
At least they went back on changing Solar Eclipse to additive damage like they said they were gonna do. Otherwise, if Prism is reduced to something that’s no longer steel path viable, then we can at least subsume Pillage over her 4 and get to a 1-cast-full-strip-refill-shields build with her using a handful of mods, because thanks to Precision Intensify, other Frames use Pillage just as well as Hildryn does, despite not being able to force heat procs on everything like how she can
Anyone concerned that the eclipse change is gonna get roar nerfed?
I foresee a lot of eclipse users swapping over, and we just saw nourish get nerfed based on usage rates.
It's not likely to happen because Roar is already at a diminished value from the original, and it has been at the top % of player usage for a long time.
Besides, you really need to build for it (high strength) in order to make it work.
Warframe updates have been so good the past year, super excited to see everything else they have in store.
Hopefully that will fix the save issue if you loose connection for what ever reason and com back into and rejoin the same squad but when you finish you only receive that current wave as rewards and loose all the previous waves.
I figured nourish was gonna have a 30/30 nerf. 1.30 energy and 30% viral damage so the fact it's not that bad makes me think not much will change with builds. Unless your build was so heavily reliant on like Nourish + energize or something.
Saving the rewards per reward rotation is such a genius change.
Too bad it comes after I'm already done with it, as usual.
Could've at least added pathos clamps to rewards for each round, or every other one in a reasonable amount, I'm tired of bounties.
nourish viral 75% damage down to 45% is a massive buff xD
i hate it so much that this dmg type takes so much room of your status chance..... it would be a nerf if the dmg would go even higher
1% viral would be super busted... on high firerate/multishot weapons at least
tl dr - nourish nerf? At phone cant hear what he say :(
Man best QOL change is being able to see my frames while invisible that's the main reason I don't use certain frames I have all fashion but can't see it.
for newer players, they can now keep their quest copy of mirage now unless they have mirage prime lol
I use Nourish for the viral procs not the damage so I'm not to sad about it. The energy nerf won't honestly be to noticeable either.
19:43 the utmost important question 🙏🏻
I kinda wish there was a better way to get Melee Arcane Adapters. If you run out, you either have to hope you get one from a Netracell, buy one, or grind out *50 thousand* Cavia standing, which is way too much effort IMO, especially when Standing has a daily cap. 15 Steel Essence from Bird-3 would be nice, you still have to get the standing ranked up to make it happen but it no longer requires an obscene amount of standing
Loki's switch teleport, just make loki switch bodies with the enemy so they keep attacking the enemy you switched with and you can play as a the enemy you switched to for a time. Fits a trickster I think.
Yeah tbh I keep going huh, no tier list I wonder what's up with that. That reasoning is solid of course, looking forward to it.
With the incoming numbers on eclipse, would letting it have both effects salvage its position? Seems like a potential compromise. Multi-buff, duration-based abilities are reasonably common (gauss, grendel, hydroid, etc.), so an ability having 2 diminished and mediocre effects doesn't feel like it'd be broken IMO.
I just invested into the mirage build only a month ago and I have really enjoyed running the circuit with prism build. Just can’t have nice things
On the Helminth Eclipse part, the wording for the note about damage reduction really sounds like a typo to me. It says "Lunar Eclipse has not changed", but then says the cap is different while also saying "remains the same". Just sounded really weird when I read it. Especially after saying they want consistency with damage reduction percentages.
Nourish still feels like it'll be fine. I think a big consideration for nourish's strength specfically as a weapon booster isn't the *amount* of damage it provides, but rather allowing us to just....not mod for viral on anything if we don't want to. The energy nerf isn't too bad either....Esplise on the other hand....It uhh...Could've been worse? We could've gotten additive damage. But ngl it's still pretty bad.
Maybe a hot take, but I don't think it's healthy for the game to have helminth abilities that let you have the same damage increase or damage reduction as a more specialized Warframe
Like why use Gara for her 90% DR if you can just subsume an ability that does the same thing
What I can agree on, is having a lower base number that takes way more investment to get to 90%, which is why I'm okay with abilities like pillage needing a ridiculous amount of strength to strip with one cast
So, I'm pretty happy with the Nourish nerf. I knew it had to happen and made my peace, but I'm also thrilled that the bat wasn't applied too harshly. Can you think of any builds that use Nourish currently that are now below the threshold of usefulness?
Honestly it’s close enough that it will likely need testing to really see but I suspect worst case will be some build adjustments
they should just increase all energy regen across the board a bit so then it wont feel needed to take nourish unless a super hungry frame
I appreciate that DE has gone from timegating content back to timegating fights with damage attenuation. Even though everyone hated fighting bosses like Sargus Ruk and other invincible timegate bosses and they were moved away from using them, here we are full circle.
i cant think of any frame that's huge into trickery other than like, ash? but he has an innate invis in smokescreen, so no cosmetic worries there, unless smokescreen gives a custom invis, anf trickery does the "default" which would be Really weird
They saw roars high usage rate and said “let’s make it higher”
I wonder if the invisibility changes will allow for customizing Wisps passive. It always disappointed me that she doesn't actually turn invisible when its active.
I am sitting here on a strength\speed loki meme build thinking these changes are made just for me.
Hey Brozime,I just checked the wiki and the 100% dmg for prism is actually a buff,the scaling dmg in live Prism caps at 100%.
This was clarified by a dev to be a buff but at the time of recording the wording was concerning the it would not longer scale at all
After doing the math I am a firm believer that the eclipse damage bonus should be 50% at base. Given the majority of our damage comes from status builds, especially bleed, roar is simply superior in terms of dealing damage. Giving eclipse a base of 50% creates situations where the optimal skill to use is really dependent on the build. If you aren't using faction mods, Roar will still increase status proc damage more than eclipse at any level of ability strength.
Even with a primed faction mod roar is still competitive with eclipse for status proc builds if eclipse had a base increase of 50%. At 100% ability strength Eclipse would increase status proc damage by only 5% more than roar. At 300% strength they would deal nearly identical amounts of status proc damage, and above that roar would be superior.
If the eclipse base damage were increased to 50% roar would still be the optimal choice for status weapons for anyone who doesn't like swapping faction mods, playing against a faction without primed faction mods, runs high strength, wants to buff squad, or deals ability damage. Eclipse is cheaper and it would be used over roar with weapons that deal raw damage, but those are relatively rare compared to those that rely on status effects. Eclipse can also be used defensively as well.
On that note, increase the DR cap to 90% on the helminth version. Is there really a reason why it can't be 90% like everything else in the game?
Anyone know if the week of the release are they going to let you do your netracells and reset again on the update or should we forgo doing it prior to the update since its in the middle of weekly resets
I’m saving my attempts just in case
That's what i was wondering, i'm setting a reminder to only do three netracells then try deep archimedea
Trusting all of the warframe content creator to remind us of this before that weekly reset.
I wonder if the arcane that makes you have a 102% chance to resist a slash proc would work on the negation armor augment
12:40 - I would also like to point out that 30% eclipse vs 30% roar, roar is better because its a bane multiplier meanwhile eclipse stacks with serration + and weapon damage arcanes.
Eclipse isn’t going to be a serration multiplier anymore it will be its own bonus as it is now
Happy for a decoy buff on Loki but yeah it doesn't change things much. Along with Switch teleport as it is still the helminth slot for me. I was also initially excited for Inaros rework but seeing the numbers on his 4 doesn't inspire a lot of joy. Time will tell I suppose.
in a way it is expected the nerfs. as far as we know they allready have plan out alot in the ruff as what they devs themselfs mentioned. all we do know is that most patches mostly a seasonal rebalance and preparation for future patches.
18:45 I'm a little surprised you didn't talk about why we have TWO blue keys in disruption which is still confusing. Cyan, Blue, and white sometimes look similar at a glance and i still have trouble sometimes figuring out which key i just picked up. This change seems hilariously meaningless in my opinion as they should have just changed cyan to orange or green.
So does Mirage not double dip? And will her Prism still scale up damage over time or just increase damage from eclipse?
No double dipping and we don’t know if it will scale up but reading it it’s not hopeful
@@Brozime With how Prism works with 2 scaling factors (1. How long it's out and 2. The surrounding lighting intensity), best case scenario is that it keeps the first scaling and the Eclipse change just replaces the second 0-100% scaling with the flat 100%, which would basically strictly buff Prism.
why are they only compensating people for nourish helminth when the one they are really kicking in the teeth is mirage?
Because nourish is BY FAR the most subsumed ability. Like almost double the next used subsumed. I can't remember which one, but they had a chart on the Feb devstream.
@@VideoKingist that isn't a reason to not compensate people who subsumed eclipse. Those people are out resources too.
I'm trying to crack relics on SP cascade so I can farm plat while I farm plat
Did I misread the Loki decoy change, or was it not that it deals damage now at a base 15% and scales with strength?
Inb4 Decoy SP instakill meme builds
Doesn't applying a bleed to inaros after mean that you can just... use scarab shell again?
give loki the hydroid treatment
6 years later and my Mirage quest is *still* bugged (can't complete it)
Them thinking that people would go around switching Eclipse mode in general gameplay just shows how little they really understand about how people play the game and make their builds.
What everyone wants is both consistent damage and defense at the same time, the idea switchings to defense and not dealing damage is ridiculous.
One day we'll get real loki changes. My decoy being tankier means theres mote chances for me to accidentally get hit.
As I've said before just make his 4 scale off duration instead of range.
Lokis kit is just bleh outside of his easy invis.
I appreciate being able to actually appreciate my fashion tho
16:05 Well... at least my melee-centric Hall of Mirrors setup will be more consistent, so... small victories.
Update radial discharge on Loki to armor strip too and bam a little bit more fun. Or hmo... Add a damage buff while he's invisible and cap the max duration at like fifty seconds 😅 I say this bc ash already has his where he gets crit. Why not give a lil to get a lil with Loki. Come on 😅 plus. Make it helminth able and wham bam thank you mam 😅
The invisibility changes seems bad from what the options are, the glow to me isn't enough to notify and the semi-transparent seems too far on the invis side. They should have just done an opacity slider.
Wait did they or did they not run back the Mirage Dmg multiplier going from Multiplicative to Additive?
They did run that back yes
@@Brozime Oh that's great. If you mentioned it or it was in the post I must have missed it my bad.
Im post thought here. Loki decoy power strength and range saps 100+% of health from all enemies in the room? If it works the way it sounds plus throws out status effects. How is that bad? Legit wondering.
the issue is those 15% health and shield drain is secodnary effect it written scale on strength and range, but not if they will limit it and how big of range it will have and scale on. your case is with the most optimal case when it does something useful.
@@qryvein I can only hope that's the case as that would be dare I say... Fun. Decoy n blast away with your guns. But that's only my thought. Thank you.
Oh, I got the impression from the Devstream that Loki's Decoy was just gonna scale with enemy level... this seems like a much more complicated mechanic.
P.S. I still don't funny understand why Prism even has an upkeep cost when it has a duration. I similarly really hope that Eclipse just toggled whether Mirage is considered to be at 0 or 1 "Luminosity" for her Prism's damage accumulation, rather than just being a flat 2x damage.
im gonna subsume roar over eclipse on my mirage
the energy nerf to nourish is some ultra BS, absolutely unnecessary
Since they are encouraging endurance runs…are they going to unban that one dude who did like 96 hours
I really hate the approach they are taking with Loki. Make his switch teleport not require a target, then leave a decoy behind. Upon teleporting, you become invisible. His 4 is unnecessary and I would make it something his decoy can do maybe if it takes enough damage. There I combined all of his abilities into one.
On the "allowing us to push further in endless missions" point. Why risk on pushing as long as you can when some people get banned for just for going hours on missions?
Because the people getting banned for those runs are using macros to automate large gameplay loops. Not because they are in the mission for hours.
@s15240drifter69 they've stated they allow certain macros due to health issues etc yet some who have to use those still get hit. Seems like they either need to blanket ban all macros or have a more dedicated group to help those who get unfairly hit
@@infamouscheesecake2232 correct, some are allowed. They've also stated that using macros to automate large portions of gameplay are not allowed. Some that have been hit "due to certain health issues" are also not being honest with you about what exactly their macros do, other than "automate two actions at a time".
@s15240drifter69 Even then, it still hits some that aren't using macros or using them as DE said was allowed. Are some lying? Most likely, but my point is that the system used to detect this stuff doesn't seem to be consistent with what is/isn't allowed given how long this has been an issue with long runs
Oh me oh my Inaros finna be peak
DE worried about balancing Eclipse as if they're balancing weapon damage for Apex
gun buff volt cries after eclipse change
finally i can play a floaty warframe
Did they forget about the part 2 of the companion rework? It's been almost 6 months
Shhhh! Whenever someone says that a Smeeta dies.
The thing about the Eclipse vs Roar argument that DE themselves made is that it’s only relevant if you are getting both the damage buff and damage reduction for Eclipse at the same time, which is not the case.
And if you’re going to make the damage directly equal to roar where applicable, that means to even consider matching this against roar, which new players get access to way earlier, you would need a hyper specific loadout that never uses abilities for dealing damage AND has their entire loadout equipped with not any amount of damage over time. As Brozime stated, a vast majority of builds use damage over time setups. So to ask players to ignore the vast majority of builds for the 3 weapon slots they get on their loadout just for an equal damage buff on an ability that doesn’t ask that from you and instead rewards further you for playing into that meta is a really big ask. What really takes the cake for me is that in their effort to equalize this to Roar in the Helminth system, they ignored normalizing the Helminth nerf amount. Most abilities when transferred to Helminth are nerfed by about 40% if they are going to be nerfed. This is the same for Roar, Warcry, and now Nourish. In order for them to nerf Eclipse to equalize it to Roar, it had to be nerfed by at least 80%. That’s such a short sighted change that didn’t need to happen that will force Eclipse into obscurity for the purposes of Helminth.
Knowing DE they are going to fuck up the netracell drops.
Inaros had so much potential, then they just tuned the numbers way too low. When they said damage would scale off health, I was assuming that it would be doing something like 100% of his health since thats the only thing that would scale into steel path. Ticking once per second is really just useless when it comes to stripping armor unless you're using melee influence.
It would be really nice if DE would stop nerfing every helmith into uselessness. There is already only like 5 useful helmith abilities and we just lost one. Now 90% of helmith usage is going to be roar, nourish, pillage, and gloom with the other 10% consisting of ensnare/larvae, dispensary, and condemn users.
Melee arcane adapters are still really good, turning in standing for 100 or so days to get it. So I don't mind them in Netracell. I much rather have my efforts be rewarded directly through gameplay rather than having to no-life grind specific modes for standing and then having to remember to get my adapters from birdo before applying them.
Speaking of modes, Alchemy in Omni is going to be painful. I cannot wait to see people's reactions to how bad that mode is, half the time it reads better hope everyone in your squad loves throwing stuff for 2 minutes straight due to the awful squad scaling mechanic it has on top of the needing to constantly throw stuff and the other half of the time it reads do mobile defense. Other than that super disappointed at the lack of modes. I hate that it is going to be shove the new modes down our throats, other than mirror defense which would've actually been decent imo, this is kind of in a strange spot for Warframe right now.
I'm hoping the new netracell alternative is halfway decent as well. Could end up being a slog fest we have to suffer every week for.
… so I’d still pick Roar for double-dip Nezha since Nezha doesn’t struggle with DR anyways. And any level of content where I’d want more DR I’d probably be using Pillage. Bummer.
At least Mirage herself will be more playable.
Damage attenuation is f*cking cancer, it literally feels like developers axing my door saying "You're being too good at the game, we can't have that", intervening in the process and spoiling the fun
Invisibility change is great, I've been saying this for years. Having total invisibility in the gsme revolving around cosmetics is odd
I really hope Inaros's scarab swarm isn't doo doo.
Why Rip Mirage??? Mirage is doing just fine, its the Helminth thats being killed.
Alright homies time to drop feedback and hopefully get better Exlipse defense 🙏🏾
The rest of this seems fine. I just hope Inaros is good with the. Newer tools
For eclipse, i just wish they didn't nerf it on Mirage herself because really the need to even have this change was due to the GI lighting being buggy and not giving us full values. Why are they nerfing the ability of the original frame if that ability was diminished by their poor coding? I won't argue helminth version, but i just don't see a point in the double standards of not nerfing other frames when its their helminth ability that needs tweaking, but somehow Mirage deserves it
first the topaz shard, now eclipse. entirely, ENTIRELY irrelevant thanks to roar now.
i called it, they cannot ignore that roar exits, they should have just left it be.
Man, I am really scratching my head over that Prism nerf. Not only does it make sense from a balance perspective to simply change what triggers the scaling rather than trading the scaling for a flat 100% bonus, it also strikes me as easier to implement You've already got the scaling mechanic on the ability; just change the triggering condition. It's literally just editing the if() statement. I get that on certain maps "stay in the light" is a harder condition to fulfill than "keep this toggle on," but on other maps it's not difficult at all. Since the whole purpose of these updates was to make Mirage *more consistent,* I would think "minor change on some maps, meaningful buff on others" would be in line with their goals.
I dunno, really weird decision on that one. I get where their head was for the Helminth nerf, but Prism just confuses me.
*Edit:* After further clarification on the forum thread, it seems the intended change is for the damage scaling-per-tick to remain; it's just been set to a base 50% and Eclipse can double that. That seems both more consistent and a reasonable trade for paying attention to light values, so these changes seem to be a good deal for Mirage. Helminth version is still screwed, but I think this evens out to a QoL improvement for Mirage with mostly similar overall performance, if not better in some cases.
So Priam actually got strictly a buff. The way Prism works is that depending on light level it gets a scaling bonus damage % between 0 and 100. All this Eclipse change does with Prism is that it means you’re either at no bonus damage or 100% bonus damage while Eclipse is up.
Lighting in Warframe has been very inconsistent in triggering that if statement across practically the whole game. There have been cases where you are standing in light and the of statement incorrectly triggers “You’re not standing in light.”
@@Miniman6347
The way the patch notes read to me, it seems that they have removed the scaling part of Prism and you simply get double damage while Solar Eclipse is on, which would be a nerf. Currently, Prism's damage ramps up with each tick, where any given tick can ramp by some value between 0% and 100%. In dark rooms, you tend to get single-digit ramp on-tick and it won't scale much at all, but in well-lit rooms you can easily observe it scaling past 100% after a couple of seconds. If they changed it so that *the damage ramp* is now 100% with Solar Eclipse active, then that's a huge buff, but then the Lunar Eclipse synergy would be hilariously underpowered.
Of course, if they buff the base damage by enough then a simple "double damage" synergy might be viable in some content. I could also be reading the patch notes wrong. It just strikes me as both poorly worded and poorly designed if the new behavior is "damage ramp is 100% per tick while Solar Eclipse is on, energy cost is halved while Lunar Eclipse is on."
*Edit:* OK, so apparently they clarified on the forums that new Prism will keep the damage scaling behavior. It's base 50% value with Eclipse entirely off, but that value doubles to 100% while Solar Eclipse is on. That missing piece makes it make sense: 50% scaling per tick is enough that it can get work done, and half energy cost per tick is competitive with double the scaling value in some content. So ignore all of that above; the patch notes just missed something. xD
So, since Nourish is far and away the most subsumed ability let's nerf Eclipse, hell yeah.
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No nerfs to Gloom so all good here xD Y'all will never get me off the 90% slow aura that follows me around! NEVER! xD (actually those enemies on the Zariman are almost annoying enough with how long it takes for them to go through their invuln phase with that slow.... almost)
i would defintly push farther if i knew i wouldnt lose all my rewards
That prism change actually irritates me. Ever since the circuit came out, my old mirage prism augment build has been one of my go to long run setups. And I’ve started using it again in some other steel path content because being a walking disco ball of death is kind of fun. But if this change actually hits her prism really bad I’m gonna honestly be upset. The fact that they removed damage scaling and the new change only says “increases damage by 100%” is very concerning to me.
vex armor was better than eclipse anyway especally w/ glaives. with glaives there is no other damage buff that even comes close.
Mirage please come home….I got beans and bologna
well wait. Loki yoiks 15% of TOTAL. not current enemy health and shields. Can't you take the augment that detonates the copy and just spam drain enemies?