One thing overframe really needs to change is they don’t reset the tier list placement. So older frames will be take a long time to update to there modern placement.
The biggest problem with the site tbh. They have filters for builds based on update number, they should really do the same for the tiers. Some of the best and most broken incarnons are still in lower tiers.
This can be seen in the other tier lists with incarnon weapons. Things like the latron prime and torid are on A tier, and the ceramic dagger is in B tier. IMO they should erase all votes for what tier something is in whenever something changes significantly.
Overframe is presents it as a tier list and explicitly says the characters higher up are stronger. It's dumb and deserves criticism whichever way you look at it.
This doesn't help, it's still overframe, I only go on here when I wanna be offended of have a good chuckle at some of the batshit stuff that's on there
That's not true, for builds you can only vote with a thums up (that part is a popularity contest), for the tier lists you can vote S-D for the weapon/frame. The main problem with the site is that it's outdated. If they only considered votes that were less than say 6-12 month old it might actually be a decent list (assuming they also reset votes for frames after a major rework).
The main issue with Overframe is that it basically snapshots a Warframe or weapon's placement as it was on release. It doesn't account for things like reworks or new mechanics and tools, thus many of the things you see here are drastically out of date.
When Xoris got mentioned and he said "People don't know what the heavy attack button is and that's okay." I felt that in my soul. Been using a Xoris build that just deletes rooms and love it.
Mag being b tier is an absolute joke. She has one of the easiest to use mass armor strips, can delete damn near anything with her 2, has two abilities that can constantly refresh shield gate, and all of her augments and abilities are viable picks. The 90 hour void survival video alone can attest to this.
@Nickahunter Granted the player isnt lazy have you not seen the 90+hour video mentioned the dude was incredibly lazy lol (you legit just spam bubble you don't need a single other ability just br carefully when walking up or using pull to get the drops)
An overwhelming number of the builds featured on it are either untested or overly complex for marginal benefit. The tiers they have are a pure popularity contest wherein the votes don't get reset at any point, causing some anomalies like the reworked Hydroid being at the bottom of B tier (a rework widely agreed to have made him a full rival to Styanax and Kullervo in terms of power), or Vauban (a frame in dire need of help in the current metagame)@@ordgaming4189
@@ordgaming4189From another comment, which makes sense imo: "Their list is based on votes ppl cast on builds, is not a tier list per-se, is more like a popularity list." And popular doesn't always mean good.
@@ordgaming4189their builds are popularity contests. If a building from a certain handful of people then nobody cares and if it's from one of those people and terrible it will still get liked and up voted like crazy
@@VideoKingistpopularity list isn't inherently the problem here, it's the fact that they don't reset the votes on the frames after major reworks or game-changing augments. Hydroid is still one of the lowest on the tierlist from before his rework, for example.
I dont understand what issues Mag has keeping her from high A or low S in Brozime's eyes. She has AoE armor strip, a "replenish all shield" button, massive crowd control, multiple was to disarm and/or stop enemies from shooting her, and she has cheap grouping that balls enemies up infront of you. Seriously, max range pull next to a ledge watch how you insta kill a whole tile for 25 energy. And bubble works on eximus so even if pull doesnt effect them they cant shoot you. She literally only has one weakness: toxin. But again use bubble and enemies shoot themselves. What game mode is she bad at?
@@stefanlewis7773 Yeah, I liked Gara but I wouldn't say she is over all better than Mag. Maybe it's a skill issue. Mag provides a lot of opportunities for skill expression but if you are just looking to casually kill with no care for maintaining your EHP then Mag might require too much thinking for most people.
dropping enemies off ledges doesn't give you loot from them, which is what you kill enemies for mag is fine but other frames can group up enemies and kill them better than mag can with less clunk, see: zephyr. he says she's perfectly serviceable, which she is. gara instant wins any "defend this thing" or "stay in one area" objectives, which are most objectives and is also basically full invuln the whole time, so she has notably more "meta relevance", hence a higher tier placement
Yeah my advocate for silence is a modified build from life water from like 6 years ago of silence night equinox for lvl cap disruption you become literally the best supporter for the team as you unintentionally lock down rooms before you decide to lock them down yourself. Also you can solo with it but it is difficult then you just throw on naramon and a decent melee and just run to demo's it's not hard
As someone who doesn't use Rolling Guard or Augur mods/Brief Respite and no crowd-controlling ability, I don't think I will ever slot Silence. I only use Vazarin Protective Sling to survive level cap so I'm better off with other buffs.
@@MoonMushies I mean that's entirely fair, I don't use Sheild gate meta or rolling guard either, I was honestly just dropping the little tidbit of info for those that genuinely didn't know it had that little perk. Like there's still folks that don't know that well of life negates status for anyone in its potential circulus sized radius, and that it's shoot to heal effect is considerably wider than it's heal radius.
@@padarousou Fair enough, kinda depends on their level though frankly. If I'm 3-4 hours into circulus, they start to survive depending on the weapon I'm using as frankly my weapons that 1-tap everything aren't always the most fun to me, gets a bit stale.
If I have to guess, it's people just voting for frames they like. Most warframe players aren't that analytical about what is most optimal. Even in higher MR. You have to remember that *vast* majority regular of players don't know how to put together a playable build without looking at something like overframe.
Yes, but that's not the *main* issue here. The main issue is that they never reset the rankings of the tierlist with big reworks, buffs/nerfs, or game-changing augments, so a Warframe that is bad when it's released will stay low on the list even if it's been reworked (hydroid being a great example).
They don't vote what they like per say its how they rate overrated builds of each character they try so first they need the character want to make it good invest into this trash build some random person made dislike the build or think this bad build is good and rate the build they tried and if you look at top rated builds on warframe you still see nikana prime with viral built in on those types of builds
Limbo and Loki have been hanging out in B tier since 2017 when they were good and they just never actually left the club, so the bouncer wasn't ever able to tell them to go to C where they belong when they try to come back inside. Chroma is doing the same in A tier, except instead of just hanging out and casually reminiscing he's been drinking himself to death as he watches everything he was ever good at slip away from him, and the bartender just feels too sorry to cut him off. Hildryn is intentionally in B so that she can hang out with Hydroid and Garuda who got denied entry to A because the bouncer didn't trust their ID, because being in the cool kids club with * checks notes * fucking Vauban and Lavos means nothing to her.
@@stevanmilovanovic9128 You have to jump through so many hoops to make Lavos competitive with other frames in content that matters. It's like sticking rivens onto bad weapons and then using Warframe buffs and armour strip and damage vulnerability to make it able to kill enemies, when you can do the exact same with a good weapon with less than a quarter of the effort. Lavos isn't good; not because he's useless in the game, but because everything else is so many miles ahead of him that he doesn't even register on the scale of good, and trying to justify that is the real copium.
Wdym rev has 1 truly good ability the others are a bad volt 4, bad movement (that people somehow like apparently) and a few weak dudes to draw fire caliban is literally nekros just worse the ai summons the strip the survivability (through the strip its a 2 for 1 package deal can be 3 for 1 with augment being gloom) what else usable does caliban do i cant think of anything.(also caliban cant punch people to life so 100% superior lol)@@chokonnit7337
Zephyr doesnt get played because the things that make her strong don't fit the fantasy of the frame. Grouping up enemies and shooting at tornados doesnt really capture the feeling of flying through the air that she was pitched on, especially with titania sucking all the air out of the room.
@@ifeawosika966 most builds subsume the first so that half is down and the lazy one sthat sit on the ground are normally the zephyr mains that have their favorite tornado shooting weapon so they don't need the crit
I just don't use zephyr too much as I have energy issues on her as my luck can go 20 mins with no orb and haven't spent loads of time and forma making her viable yet I think that's a problem for a few people as the character doesn't give a edge for a goal as others do so less warrented for progressing than a weapon for example
@@ifeawosika966 yeah I think the last thing I did was test nexus for it tbh this was a bad time to start on some I recently got every prime in the game (just before guass and I haven't played since his release so without that one) and reset all builds as I only had like 8 builds that were updated since before sagath shield gate so most weren't usable I even had some from like 2016 and prime release builds so when I return to the game I'll make a build I think
Mag is an easy A-tier frame, what are you on about ? She has an armour strip, very good CC, shield restore, overshields and is nigh on unkillable with the shield gate changes, if you play her correctly. She's easily the best starter frame and outranks Excal by a lot, She ranks no less than Hildryn for me.
Agreed. It always makes me laugh when I see people not rate her very high. I don't know if the opinion that she's not good is a holdover from when her 1 was an absolute joke. Fracturing Crush + Corrosive Projection means you only have to invest a little bit into Ability Strength (115%) to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. You put Breach Surge on her and SHIT GOES OFF.
Agreed, i got very lucky early game to have someone gift me a full mag prime set and she’s great. (Though need some tips on how to mod her and whats worth putting on since im just about to finally finish the starchart so im still relatively new)
@@benjamindesmarais1221 Okay, with Mag, the aim is to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. If you use Corrosive Projection as your aura mod and the Fracturing Crush augment, all you need is 115% Ability Strength to get it. I'm also using Breach Surge in place of her 3. You can replace her 1 but I find Pull far too useful. My build is as follows: Corrosive Projection Power Drift Primed Continuity Streamline Primed Flow Fracturing Crush Fleeting Expertise Rolling Guard Stretch Natural Talent Arcane Energise Molt Efficiency Archon Shards are completely up to you but I would advise two Amber Shards for Casting Speed. It helps you use Crush a lot faster. Inb4 someone sees this build and absolutely shits on it. Such is Warframe.
@@benjamindesmarais1221 I posted by build to you but RUclips has deleted my comment so I'll have to type it again. 😅 Okay, so the objective is to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. With Corrosive Projection and Fracturing Crush, you only need 115% Ability Strength to do so. Having 115% AS results in something like an 86% armour strip, with Corrosive Projection on top, that's 100%. I'm using Breach Surge in place of her 3. Strip Armour, Magnetise, Breach Surge, watch shit go crazy. My build is as follows: Corrosive Projection Power Drift Primed Continuity Streamline Primed Flow Fracturing Crush Fleeting Expertise Rolling Guard Stretch Natural Talent Arcane Energize Molt Efficiency Use any Archon Shards you like, but I advise 2 Amber for Casting Speed, just to get Crush out faster. If you do Crimson, you don't need to do Ability Strength as what's already on the build is enough. You could do Shields, Armour, or Health. Even Max Energy is a good option. It's up to you.
Why is he hating on Mag so much, literally has full room cc, full armor strip and overshield generation/shield gating on 1 ability(4 with augment). Mag 4 with augment is literally a better pillage. She can nuke level cap easily with her 2. 1 is also really good cc. 3 can do alot of damage if you know how to use it, and is also a good helminth slot for the only thing she struggles with, which is energy. Calling Mag B tier is an insult. Easily one of the best frames for endurance, she is great at survival, disruption. Can armor strip massive areas in faster game modes, armor strips accolytes and void angels. I agree with many of his takes in this video, but his take on mag is criminal
I always like your vids but after watching your Vauban vid recently, I feel like that’s the one you missed the mark on most. Differences of opinion are fine but it seems like you don’t understand his kit fully. For example, his flechette orb can be buffed like a weapon and its damage calculation scales with enemy level, everything dies. He’s not S tier even though I like him but he’s better than you give him credit for. He’s like, the closest we have to a control frame. The Temu Protea.
Honestly I wouldn't even say Temu Protea, just side grade Protea, in my experience she has her own problems, mostly on relying on spamming hundreds of shield orbs in order to stay alive in higher level stuff, but Vauban is at least only slightly below her in terms of what he can do most of the time. Biggest problems I can say is he has less survivability solely because he can't spam instant shield gates and a good portion of his kit is definitely underpowered (bounce pad was honestly a loss for the community and boost pad is not a worthy enough successor, even for memes)
I'd say the same, I was very much a Vauban main and made it to the new war with little to no problem, once you get to kuva fortress/lua it's harder to continue with him but up until that point he's still a perfectly fun frame to play.
I used to like their website as a resource tool but seeing so many people say that it's bad. It's kind of disappointing because I don't even know where else to go look at these things. Even if I go to brozine's profile he does. He does tier list. It seems at the end of every year not at the end of every update and he hasn't posted the one for 2025 yet. Or supposedly he has one for 2024, but I don't know if that's for the end of 2024 or the beginning of 2024 on his website
Disagree on the Vauban comments Brozime. Vauban has been featured in many 9999 level videos over the last three years and is one of the few really sleeper FUN frames that don't have zoomies or some hyper aggressive scaling stat gimmicks. Vauban AND zephyr are criminally under played and they both basically do similar things. Both can crowd control and group enemies. Both have scaling damage components from tornado inheritance to vaubans ability to strip + turret. Both provide meaningful utility to the team. Years ago I did prodman with Vauban and I never really fell off "this was before SP." Vauban just needs accessibility just as zephyr.
I got Vauban before I took a years long break, he was waiting for me in my forge. I like him but having to switch the 2 ability around is kinda annoying, I just want the shooting ball and the buff, the speed pad feels useless.
lavos is actually really good when built right, yes he has cooldowns but i use him for facetanking so much for just casually playing the game. not having to worry about dying is great even in sp
oberon, for a very long time, was my most played frame, but realistically his kit only holds up late with this smite augemnt for buffing purposes, which wisp can buff in similar ways but also more ways, and better. Excalibur, at least, has an exalted weapon, which can be made strong to some capacity, while oberons kit falls off a steeeeeeeeeeeeeep cliff at around level 60, generally, even with forma@@hardluckmk.52
Watched this on the stream. There are definitely some interesting artifacts of how the scoring is done, but it's also nice to hear Brozime give quick opinions on things as he works through it.
@newbplaygames tell me your use case for equinox, just never clicked with me. I know mend and maim & rest and rage are good abilities but I just don't know how to make it work on a fun level
"frost is better than voruna" i think this man doesnt know vorunas passive/active ability set ignoring all status effects including knockdown beats a pretty meh snowglobe in my book also not dying and producing health orbs on demand
Regarding the first one, Necramech also VAPORIZES in steel path and necracells because you can't cast it's iron skin, so you get killed in a few seconds. Not even debatable how bad voidrig is in high level content.
It would be nice if you reviewed some top voted builds on frames/weapons. There are some outrageous ones out there and every newbie steered off them is a big win.
The main problem is that a lot of them are simply outdated The only one's that get frequent updates are one's that are currently meta or just plain popular Otherwise, the highest voted build will always be from 2-4 years ago
@@vizor4067 Oh I know, but that's not something a new player will know, they'll just google "... build", get served Overframe and see the top rated build with 2000+ votes and just go with that
She does have some funny stuff going on but gets a bit restricted by her kit. If I could put her anywhere it'd probably be A- and the minus only due to some of her clunkiness.
100%, voidrig is there because internally (as in on the website) it's a warframe so they can use the same health/eHP/ability stats calcs for both frames and necramechs, but they neglected to add a flag to each warframe/necramech that says "hey are you a warframe? yes? into the tier list you go!"
mag shouldn't be in A? mag with the delete whatever u want button? the conveniently group everything in front of u button? the free shields and enemy deleters button? the free armor strip and cc button? nah I'm leaving, for someone criticising overframe you've got some hella overframe opinions
it really isnt confusing when you realize its just a tally of what people vote on. So most people arent going to come back after a nerf to downgrade their vote. Or come back after a rework. So resetting it would fix a lot of stuff. A popular warframe on release is going to still be highly weighted even after it falls long out of favor
Zephyr main since her rework, been here for years and she's my most used warframe and will be for the next ten years. There's at least like three of us out there.
Trinity deserves her spot at A tier. An abating link tank build is great if you never want to die while stripping armor off targets. Obviously, she's not so great at DPS, as her abating link only affects 3 targets max, but if you want a frame that will never fail you in Steel Path, Trinity is the frame to go with. Also, her 1 ability completely negating status effects for you and allies is criminally underrated.
Same with Gyre. Hard to fit into A? Really? She's immortal with primed redirection shield gating and pillage and nukes entire tilesets. Brozime has some iffy opinions.
@@NathanialSCoughtry Everyone is immortal with shield gating. Pillage isn't her ability. Bro always rates without taking helminth into consideration. Once you factor in helminth all warframes are impossible to rate
@NathanialSCoughtry Every frame can get into extremely high levels. What makes the other frames better than others is how easy it is to get them there. I.e it takes literally no effort to get revenant to high levels.
This is so funny, I was on Overframe just yesterday saying out loud "What the hell are they thinking?" looking at these rankins and here's a video on "What the hell are they thinking" while looking at these rankings. Rofl.
Vauban is trash? You should really have another look at him. With the spectrorage augment he ensures your team will never run out of energy. He's also a great pick for circuit with flachette dealing millions of dmg.
I agree he's not trash, but he's C at best nonetheless. What you have to consider with tier lists is "what can do what this does but better?" and in vaubans case a lot of warframes can do better. Any Warframe can equip spectrorage, and many can do more than enough damage for the circuit. To name one, Styanax can provide massive energy regen to his whole team constantly, do insane damage that scales up to level cap in sp circuit, while also making the team functionally invulnerable with his augment - and that's only 2 of his abilities.
@@technoviking2415 This. Please for the love of god this. Saying a warframe is amazing once you helminth x and archon shard y is moving into unrateable territory!
Flechette Orbs is a multiple instances of damage that scales with enemy survivability and Bastille strips armor and adds it to Vauban before becoming a second CC ability for free in Vortex. People sleep on Vauban’s ability to commit war crimes way too often. Yes there are better options but Vauban is not D-tier.
Hold on, why are you shitting on Gyre? Gyre with Pillage is practically old World on Fire except Steel Path. I'd say she is A+, she only struggles against bosses with no one to pillage from like in the Whispers in the Walls missions. I'd personally put Garuda in low B because I hate her play style, shes slow and clunky constantly priming people. I don't see what she brings other than Gloom and infinite energy for Gloom. Mag is also an A frame IMO. Tons of survivablity with her 4 augment, group entire continents of people with her 1, and delete the toughest enemies in the game with Magnetize. If Mag and Gyre aren't A half that list aren't A. Also, Vauban would be amazing if his 4 didn't lift enemies. Bastille should be an AOE armor strip, the fact it doesn't armor strip rag-dolled enemies is THE worst part about him. Let me drop a vortex down, then a Bastille ontop, and drop a nail turret under the Vortex. That shit is insane with Nourish. His nail turrets with Nourish hit for over 1million damage. His problem is that his best ability Vortex prevents him from stripping armor.
Gyre absolutely requires both Pillage and her 4 augment to merely be functional and still has survival problems and can’t handle content where other good Warframes are getting kills
Absolutely have to disagree on the garuda part. Okay sure its your opinion that u dont like the playstyle, but you’re only talking about 1 build (gloom) while there are countless builds out there that make her great and fun to play. Especially if u subsume nourish over her 2. Makes nuking every room really easy and primes everything if u want to use another weapon
The best warframes are the ones you enjoy playing. Tier lists are only for try hards who would sell their grandmother just to hit red crits. Enjoy the game people. Don't be a sheep.
I must say I don't agree with lavos and Vauban. I get plenty of use out of both of them even in higher level content. I get through sanctum anatomica stuff fast when solo with lavos even though I agree his ability damage isn't the most insane thing ever because he has pretty great tanking and still can at least debuff people with any status you can think of. And Vauban regularly carries me with abilities alone in the steel path circuit. Having a good weapon to deal with CC immune things is obviously good but he can armor strip with Bastille, CC hard with that, vortex and arguably the 1, and deal big damage with his flechette orbs. Even if his entire kit isn't insane I don't dare count him or Lavos as anything under B tier. And as a side note I only agree with Limbo being lower because the wacky shit he can do does require a lot of micromanagement to sustain, much less live through, but he's still far from D in my eyes, and leveling up sevagoth while spamming void fissures for ducats this weekend makes me view him as perfectly fine honestly, he's certainly not amazing and i'd probably need to do a lot more than what i've got now to keep him aalive and thriving in steel path but even then, at least with his augment, he wasn't completely useless. Worth keeping around as opposed to helminthing one and selling the other i've got.
I agree about Lavos. He's not an A-tier frame, but what he said about him just isn't true. Saying his damage is bad, like, just no. He has really high damage, it's just people don't know how to build him. And he's an absolute tank. Lavos can easily hang with some of the top frames in the toughest content, IMO. Could he use a rework? Definitely. I have some ideas how DE could rework him to bring out the best. Personally, I think Condition Overload should apply to his whole kit, not just Catalyse. I also think something like killing enemies effected by status should reduce his CDs, and perhaps an Ability Strength buff when he picks up Energy Orbs. Casting Speed is fine on his abilities, but I wish they traveled faster once they were cast. Lastly, Catalyse should be spherical.
Yeah I'm side-eyeing the Vauban comments myself. Sounds like he hasn't really used Vauban for a while or is prejudiced from his pre-rework experience, cause he absolutely slaps the shit out pretty much any horde mode content like SP circuit in my experience (not as good as Saryn but still, it's a different kind of playstyle). I can easy solo most of it with the combo of vortex and orbital if I get even moderately okay decrees.
Now that you spell it out like that yeah, he seems to be complaining about people having not used certain frames in years and yet it feels as though he hasn't even tried to explore vauban's potential since he got reworked.
The Overframe tier lists would benefit from adding a drop-down menu to select rankings from past Warframe updates. This would allow players to see frame metas evolve over time rather than just the cumulative list. It could provide useful context on strengths and weaknesses for both new and returning players, while preserving the historical record in a more accessible way.
still think borzime is being too harsh on mag, massive damage multiplier from bubble with projectile weapons, 100% armor strip at only 137% Power strength, easy shieldgate potential. I think she is at least A rank, since she is basically just the same capability of zephyr.
@@newbplaygames sorry forgot that you can hit 134% since I just use augur secrets and 1 red shard since that's imo the easiest way to hit the PS required.
Theres no way you are saying limbo is worse than inaros. Limbo has 4 abilities that work, and Inaros's most glaring flaw is that you can only subsume one ability
Everyone probably hates Limbo for the anti synergy he has on most teams and eximus/nullifiers but to honest Limbo is a good frame but the with the CC nerf and his minimal synergy with most frames kinda make's him meh in people's eyes and his reputation for being a troll frame doesn't help
So when is the real tier list? I need a good laugh when you place Vauban in D for not having armour strip, endless energy, and little instakillah defense nodes and the like. Not sure why you hate the old boy so much but it is hilarious to hear you go off on him.
The armour strip needs strength on a frame that doesn’t need it. He is immensely godlike in Circuit because he gets that power strength without needing to build it. That orb be sending Thrax units straight to their king.
@@SaiKisaragi Vauban SLAPS in Circuit Then again, Circuit is powercrept so hard that someone who just unlocked SP can easily hit level cap as long as they've done some intrinsic grinding in normal mode lol
Well most Warframe players are indeed casual players and there's nothing wrong about it. So casual tier list makes sense. Also, most builds placed on over frame are done by casual players.
@@inyoushoes that'd be fine if it was just called a casual frame review or popularity test instead of Tier list, because calling tier list means and inplies that some are better than others and it might be misleading for some players, and tier list should be based on facts not opinions, because something being good and bad can be proven.
@@GreytestGrey Everything is subjective though. If you just want to stand in a corner and press a button x frame is best for that. If you actually want to utilise the insane movement system and reach a kind of skill ceiling the tier list changes again. Both are facts for both mindsets
@@NickHunter everything is subjective? Damn, then cigarette dont actually give cancer then, ive been lied. If you watch tier list, you commonly see that the best character are at the top and oftenly they are the ones that requiere the least skill and provide the biggest benefits, thats why they are at the top, of course you can make and jump a lot of stuff to make something work, but it still doesnt make it good, is loki good? No, but he can turn invisible and thats goos, but the whole frame set and abilites are underwhelming and dont pair well with eachother, thats why its set lower in tierlist, compared to octavia, who also turns invisible and also gives you like a million buffs, thats why octavia is high in tierlist
@@NickHunter everything is subjective??then i guess cancer isn't caused by excesive smoking, time to smoke. Tier list don't take in consideration skill, because in that case there is no point, because with enough skill you can make everything work. Tier list often have the best character on top because the best characters often take the less skill to use, if i turn invisible with loki and clear a SP mission that doesnt make the whole frame good, if it takes a lot of effore and jumping hoops to make something work then its bad or worse then the alternative, thats literally why technology evolves and updates. Also skill is not mutualy exclusive to using a bad or a good frame, a good mesa will swoosh trough a mission and a bad mesa will be very slow and might even die from forggeting to use their 3. So, you can use and make work a bad frame, but that wont make it good, just because you can run fast on four legs doesnt make it better than just running on two
Brozime is too harsh on Vauban. Not saying hes a A or anything but In a game with objectives that involve holding a point vortex is pretty amazing. Huge aoe, infinite duration, perma stun and brings the enemies into one handy pile for killing
Yep. Disruption, def, excavation, netracells, survival, boss fights, you name it. Basically anything except exterminate, spy and rescue. And he can do those with little to no risk of dying, just slower
He also forgets that he can armor strip and he has flexhette orbs, and if youve never used it then start using it, probably the strongest ability in the game for flat out damage
@@330DKNY also even then flachette orbs do decent damage against the overguard on them it isnt offcourse the best way to deal with them but it does far better then most frames abilities for damage
Silence is good insurance on frames that could get wrekt by Violence, like Valkyr and Limbo. It also stops Thrax and some other enemies from doing the moves that make them temporarily invincible, so it helps you kill faster on select missions.
Its good on many more than that from interactions also I've seen rhino's use it sometimes I think they have some loss issues with the losing of their overguard. But there is a vid like 6 years old of life water doing a equinox night with silence on lvl cap as support with a few alterations it still works and you are the best support as you can sleep and stun the whole map give people more shield gate that can help at times and shut down violence so everyone doesn't get 1 shot when they didn't know he spawned yet
I still use silence with its subsume to level up frames on adaro thanks to the sneak affinity multiplier. Silence is thus by far my most subsumed ability, but it does not mean I use it in actual real content. That can explain its weird position in this table
@@lady2005du01 the main reason of it being here is silence was the old gloom before tempestarii everyone subsumed silence on everyone especially those like Ash and them because it was a decent range cc that stops them shooting at you a little bit instead of slow it stuns and especially before shield gate was a bigger thing silence was always used by people that was somewhere around like 3 years ago silence is amazing especially with any slow and cordon/magnetic melee arcane grouping if you use lower range. Its never been a better time to use it but people dont understand it anymore. (I find it funny that one meta build at one point was silence atlas and it still is super broken but no one knows of it its the same now but better and even the rumbled augment was sometimes used with it back then)
Brozime only seems to think the easy to use/afk frames are good though. Thing is that it doesn't really matter how much effort you put into playing those frames, you'll always get about the same results. Meanwhile frames that take more effort to play can get you a lot more milage the more effort you put in.
@@Dubulcle please, then, use Limbo, Vauban, Caliban, any of the other frames that brozime was hating on, and take them to high level content as you would the easy-build frames like Revenant or Saryn. Let me know how well those go for you when you put "no effort" into them
@@AstrusEminus I don't "main" a warframe. As should nobody. And even if I did "main," these frames? And? Surely you don't have such a lack of critical thinking that you'd actually attempt to make fun of someone playing a frame that's well designed? I don't get this strange mentality a lot of the community has.
Vauban is good with his control and grenades, which adapt to the enemy's level (that is, he does not depend on the weapon, since it is enough to throw a couple of grenades). About Tesla-nervos: a good ability that gives control and (with augment) damage distribution across the zone (hello kullervo). In addition, it gives you the opportunity to use it to get the archon stretching bonus (hello dispensary). I am silent about the fact that Vauban can remove the armor of enemies. As a result, a universal frame that can effectively stand on 90% of missions. And his first ability is a combination of the abilities of the other two warframes + it has stun.
what do you mean voruna is not A tier? she is amazing any basically any situation in my experience her ult can one shot steal path units in a aoe and she can be permanently invisible she can deal a huge amount of status damage to units aswell. the only weakness she had in my experience is her ult can take a min or 2 to get stacks on and some bosses she can not target. so I honestly don't know what u mean by she is clunky and is only good in a few situations
I used to despise Yareli. Then I gave her a real shot... I honestly think Yareli is great if you spend the time to learn k-drive, her built right with a good secondary like sporelacer is absolutely mind boggling. Hop off and reapply roar every minute and you're nearly unkillable (not revenant level, who else is? lol), super mobile, have persistent crowd control options and you make secondaries go WILD with merulina guardian. She's now my go-to for most missions. She's crazy good.
Watching him repeatedly forget that votes never reset on Overframe and then getting confused on why the tiers are super outdated is killing me. Overframe lets you filter builds by the version they were made on, I really wish they'd let you do the same for the tierlist.
Gyre with an armor strip is a good way to get your friend to leave and make their own squad. She's pretty silly after she got the augment. A is fair for her now.
@@matowakan Her only real problem is survivability, and Pillage solves that _and_ also acts as an easy strip. Gyre is undeniably A tier with pretty average investment.
Disagree with Voruna being "too high" now with archon shards she sits comfortably at A tier. Though the commentary was very charismatic added with the classy jazz.
Tier lists can't be judged factoring in Archon shards. The same benefits the shards bring apply to all frames. If she's shit without them then she's shit, end of
@@kinsan89I implore you to look up what the acronym META actually means - you basically just contradicted yourself. But yeah, Vauban is fine, most frames are playable, but he's not on the same level as other warframes.
Idk about zime's vitriol with vauban but as a guy with 36% of his playtime as the guy he's not of the worst but putting him in the same tier as nuke lord kullervo and revenant is ridiculous. Also tesla bank is not a justification to put tesla nervos anywhere but d tier as a subsume option.
@@lj_aderyn ngl, I never even knew "meta" was an acronym when used in gaming, I thought it was just adopted in a different use compared to what the word would normally mean lol
I always tell my friends never to look at just any if not any warframe tier list as there are so many builds and configurations you can make for a warframe to make most of them lore accurate in some way shape or form yes some are better than others, but it’s best to figure it out yourself rather than trusting someone with high bias, or a draw toward just pulling votes/views by extolling their mediocre input on any frame, sometimes having people that don’t even really play the game like that making these builds or videos, I feel there are only a handful of creators you can trust with tierlists if not less than a handful but that’s my take 🤷♂️
overframe is what comes up when you search "warframe tierlist" so i actually think this is mostly fine because new players who are concerned with ~what's meta~ have this lovely tierlist basically saying "you're probably OK with almost anything you pick" which is good advice for an inexperienced player because by time they get proper experience to understand where this tierlist goes wrong they've probably started using generally better frames anyway
Voruna is indeed a one trick pony. Her one trick is to outdamage any other warframe with nervous, frantic melee gameplay. Just because Brozime doesn't like her playstyle doesn't make her bad, but warframe content creators do be like that.
@@sirzeus3324squishy? I have zero issues and I have zero health mods, I use Arcane Blessing for her health. Plus a yellow shard for health/energy Orbs and a purple shard that works like equilibrium. She's not squishy at all with that. I think her rating is based on playstyle which can be a bit clunky. But She's all sorts of warcrimes if you build her right.
THANK YOU I have not once been out damaged in any lobby unless its a map wipe saryn, on voruna with ceramic dagger incar and wrathful advance. shes legit insane
As an oberon enjoyer. Your reaction to dude somehow finding his way into B tier for overframe had me absolutely rollin for how right it is. 'Bro go home, you drunk. Bar's closed.'
I think Voruna in A makes sense? Free crit multiplication and condition overload with her 2 plus default status immunity and stealth plus speed in the same button. Am i weird for thinking A is fair?
Not weird at all. Especially after her aug dropped and she got a slight rework to her 3, she completely earns that A-tier spot lol Ive casually used her in multiple bits of content on HIGH sp lvls with armor stacked units. In sp circuit, if shes present i dont even have to worry about having good modded weapons as the sheer quantity of multiplied slash damage she deals makes everything beyond i guess nullifiers fall over like a slice of bread.
I don't think vauban is nearly as bad as you're saying he is, might be that you haven't built to his strengths in a while but he plays just fine in any level of content really, he's just a nest builder and not great for moving around too much so his use cases are specific
pretty sure Brozime's build for Vauban is negative strength, max range. Which is absolutely not how you should play vauban, lol. Vauban's best ability modifier is strength, as it makes his bastille, flechette, and overdriver really good. Also tesla nervos is good, cheap crowd control that follows you around to keep you alive
@@tanuki9691 I think the common argument is "why CC when you can just kill everyone?" I love Vauban, especially Bastille but murder and survival is priority for most people. Personally I prefer really active builds and frames but 99% of people out there just want an easy skill-free existence
@@NickHunter yes but, as I was saying, Brozime does not understand *how* to build Vauban. Because his CC is heavily focused on giving you the ability to deal damage. His passive boosts your damage a ton on anything that's CCed, and you NEED to build him with high strength (Brozime builds him with negative strength to maximize range). Sacrificing strength for range makes Vauban as bad as Brozime claims he is, because it makes him unable to kill anything. Flechette orb is one of the highest damaging abilities in the game because it scales with level, so high strength keeps it at a high damage all the time. Also, Bastille strips armor WAY faster with high strength. And overdriver is Rhino roar if it stacked with Rhino roar. You can literally subsume roar onto him and it stacks with overdriver, AND his passive!
@@NickHunter This is a fair argument, but his kill speed is pretty great actually, his CC is just an enabler. He's similar to new Hydroid in that way. I'm by no means saying he's one of the best frames in the game! But he's definitely not one of the worst, his worst sin is just being a little clunky. It's just weird that brozime ranks him so low when his normal testing method is camping a tight hallway in SP kuva fortress survival, which is something a properly built vauban excels at lmao.
Been maining Banshee for 8 or 9 years now. I still dont understand why she is so hated :( I'm assuming that most players just take the easy path (like Rev or Hyldryn) as it requires much less effort to survive with them. Mastering Banshee for high level play is such a satisfying experience though. Also hitting the games damage cap with a drop kick (sonar) is pretty amusing too xD
Hey! I doubt anyone will see this BUT I’m a MR 21 player that took a 5 year break from the game until cross save dropped. I’ve been using this site for the last month but am happy to hear something from a knowledgeable source. So thank you, it’s so hard to find knowledge from the community on this game I swear lol.
just don’t trust the tier lists. overframe DOES have a few decent build creators you can pull from though (ninjase namely has some cool builds, i dig his revenant build)
The big problem I've noticed with overframe is that the actually good and meta builds are very old posts that get updated/revised and no votes because it's not tagged for the latest patch
@@Klawzor the question is why are you running him with such low strength? I get it have archon shards on him to get him to 380+ str but by this late in the game and we are talking about his end game viability so it shouldnt be an issue, but my point is even without using strength boosting arcanes he can get easily 1100% damage boost with just archon shards and the 20% strength from zenerik and then if u really want to u can giga bump it further with the grimoire and arcanes but i like to keep the comfy arcane blessing arcane grace combo and this makes him nigh unkillable in 99.99% of situations and if you run fire on his 2 stacked with blessing and grace you can out heal any stalker slash procs that might threaten your life plus you have more than enough damage to kill anything in the game. And you can push this even further by using wrathful advance and glaive prime, you can easily out dps most other dps frames (at least in the dmg % in the post mission results) sure its alot of investment but we never said he was hard to build most people just say he cant be good and this is just purely wrong, years ago before the helminth and before the guardian armor mod sure you could say he is too energy hungry for not enough return and lable him bad bug right now he is the strongest he has ever been because what ever dmg he lost back in the day he has more than made up for it in unkillablity and comfortable easy wins
@@Rexy2552I run max strength, I was just giving an arbitrary number to illustrate how insane he is. Also it was like whatever time at night for me and I didn't feel like checking the exact damage increase he can get. 600% is a fuck ton, and the fact that 600% is low for chroma is a testament to how stupid good he can be lmao
I have never heard of Overframe. Ever. I’ve been playing Warframe for nearly 10 years at this point and have never once seen this site, I feel like I’ve missed out on a good laugh this whole time. But seriously almost every frame can do all the content in the game it just depends on investment and how much you like a frame but seeing Voidrig there with Brozs reaction alongside Vauban made me smile.
They're right though. You just don't know shit about his kit and interactions with arcanes with flechette. You're just confidently incorrect.@@DaShikuXI
Think Voruna is perfectly on A tier. I mean just to list the pros with her: * Has strong melee both in terms of attacks as well as crit/heavy efficiency buffs. * Potentially one of the fastest frames you can use with the 1st passive + ability *Has one of if not the best status procs, as she can practically inflict all the elements AT THE SAME TIME *Is immune to enemy status effects via 3rd passive *Can act as a stealth frame given she can go invisible *Got practically unlimited energy via the synergy of the 2nd and 3rd abilities *Is super fun to use across big maps with lots of enemies via her 4th ability, which can be used endlessly against weaker mobs via augment mod *Is kinda sexy Any reason to give her a lower rating than A?
@@Brozime Def looking forward to it, just came since before Duviri personally. It would be nice if your best build for each is shown, but god it'd be a long vid.
@@Brozimecan you take a look at protea before the video as it is a higher tier frame that I think has changed to be a lot more complicated recently and I think you misunderstood from this video
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One thing overframe really needs to change is they don’t reset the tier list placement. So older frames will be take a long time to update to there modern placement.
The biggest problem with the site tbh. They have filters for builds based on update number, they should really do the same for the tiers. Some of the best and most broken incarnons are still in lower tiers.
@@DawnAfternoon yep it’s gonna take a few years for hydroid to get to his proper placement Zephyr is still climbing up
This can be seen in the other tier lists with incarnon weapons. Things like the latron prime and torid are on A tier, and the ceramic dagger is in B tier. IMO they should erase all votes for what tier something is in whenever something changes significantly.
IMHO a fair way would be to only show votes cast in the last x months (say 6 or 12), maybe with some option to also see older data on demand
I think the way to fix it is all the people watching the video to go fix it themselves lol
Their list is based on votes ppl cast on builds, is not a tier list per-se, is more like a popularity list.
That so @#$%ing stupid
Overframe is presents it as a tier list and explicitly says the characters higher up are stronger.
It's dumb and deserves criticism whichever way you look at it.
This doesn't help, it's still overframe, I only go on here when I wanna be offended of have a good chuckle at some of the batshit stuff that's on there
That's not true, for builds you can only vote with a thums up (that part is a popularity contest), for the tier lists you can vote S-D for the weapon/frame. The main problem with the site is that it's outdated. If they only considered votes that were less than say 6-12 month old it might actually be a decent list (assuming they also reset votes for frames after a major rework).
can't be
Overframe tierlists are like aged tierlists from 2 years ago but with random peaks of sanity and self-awareness from a modern tierlist tearing through
longer than 2 years ago. they still have helios in s despite the fact the entire reason to equip it was removed 3 years ago.
Why? What changed?
@AziSlays getting scans w/o doing anything is nice tho
@@rabiithous3 But that doesnt put it at S tier though.
@@RafaelSilva-qz3os The only reason people equipped Helios was for the gladiator mods to buff melee
The main issue with Overframe is that it basically snapshots a Warframe or weapon's placement as it was on release. It doesn't account for things like reworks or new mechanics and tools, thus many of the things you see here are drastically out of date.
Please let this be a prelude to your tier list
When Xoris got mentioned and he said "People don't know what the heavy attack button is and that's okay." I felt that in my soul. Been using a Xoris build that just deletes rooms and love it.
I agree it’s good but it just feels so bad to me
@@ethanbo-bethan4893 Long story short corrupted charge + arcane influence makes it an infinite yeet and delete machine.
@@lewiskazzamo230not to mention you can do some funny stuff with Melee arcanes and Tennokai
xoris my beloved
Me over here abusing melee guidance and having a permanent 12x combo on my Xoris and Glaive Prime
Mag being b tier is an absolute joke. She has one of the easiest to use mass armor strips, can delete damn near anything with her 2, has two abilities that can constantly refresh shield gate, and all of her augments and abilities are viable picks.
The 90 hour void survival video alone can attest to this.
Mag is absolutely amazing provided the player isn't lazy. Problem is most players wanna just hit one button and do the not-die
Mag is a god. Only problem I have with her is her 2 not always working on ragdolled enemies.
@@NickHunterthat’s no reason to call a frame B tier
@@SlideStep_I AGREE SM if you could 1 and 2 back to back she would be even more busted. but you have to wait for them to stand up it’s bogus
@Nickahunter Granted the player isnt lazy have you not seen the 90+hour video mentioned the dude was incredibly lazy lol (you legit just spam bubble you don't need a single other ability just br carefully when walking up or using pull to get the drops)
Gotta love community votes that dont get reset ever.
I took offense from vauban being called shit
Are we shitting on Overframe? Hold on, let me get some popcorn.
What's so bad about Overframe?
An overwhelming number of the builds featured on it are either untested or overly complex for marginal benefit. The tiers they have are a pure popularity contest wherein the votes don't get reset at any point, causing some anomalies like the reworked Hydroid being at the bottom of B tier (a rework widely agreed to have made him a full rival to Styanax and Kullervo in terms of power), or Vauban (a frame in dire need of help in the current metagame)@@ordgaming4189
@@ordgaming4189From another comment, which makes sense imo: "Their list is based on votes ppl cast on builds, is not a tier list per-se, is more like a popularity list."
And popular doesn't always mean good.
@@ordgaming4189their builds are popularity contests. If a building from a certain handful of people then nobody cares and if it's from one of those people and terrible it will still get liked and up voted like crazy
@@VideoKingistpopularity list isn't inherently the problem here, it's the fact that they don't reset the votes on the frames after major reworks or game-changing augments. Hydroid is still one of the lowest on the tierlist from before his rework, for example.
I dont understand what issues Mag has keeping her from high A or low S in Brozime's eyes. She has AoE armor strip, a "replenish all shield" button, massive crowd control, multiple was to disarm and/or stop enemies from shooting her, and she has cheap grouping that balls enemies up infront of you. Seriously, max range pull next to a ledge watch how you insta kill a whole tile for 25 energy. And bubble works on eximus so even if pull doesnt effect them they cant shoot you. She literally only has one weakness: toxin. But again use bubble and enemies shoot themselves. What game mode is she bad at?
He said Gara is better than Mag🤣
@@stefanlewis7773 Yeah, I liked Gara but I wouldn't say she is over all better than Mag. Maybe it's a skill issue. Mag provides a lot of opportunities for skill expression but if you are just looking to casually kill with no care for maintaining your EHP then Mag might require too much thinking for most people.
@@stefanlewis7773he’s old his time on Warframe is quite over so his opinions on things are always gunna be bad
@@piplupxpp being old doesn't automatically mean he's out of touch. He plays this game more than anyone
dropping enemies off ledges doesn't give you loot from them, which is what you kill enemies for
mag is fine but other frames can group up enemies and kill them better than mag can with less clunk, see: zephyr. he says she's perfectly serviceable, which she is. gara instant wins any "defend this thing" or "stay in one area" objectives, which are most objectives and is also basically full invuln the whole time, so she has notably more "meta relevance", hence a higher tier placement
Have I mentioned recently that I adore Righteous Anger Zime? He's one of my favourite Zimes, second only to this, Bewildered And Mad About It Zime.
make sure to zip up when you’re done
Silence also turns off and negates eximus abilities for those who don't know.
Yeah my advocate for silence is a modified build from life water from like 6 years ago of silence night equinox for lvl cap disruption you become literally the best supporter for the team as you unintentionally lock down rooms before you decide to lock them down yourself. Also you can solo with it but it is difficult then you just throw on naramon and a decent melee and just run to demo's it's not hard
As someone who doesn't use Rolling Guard or Augur mods/Brief Respite and no crowd-controlling ability, I don't think I will ever slot Silence. I only use Vazarin Protective Sling to survive level cap so I'm better off with other buffs.
@@MoonMushies I mean that's entirely fair, I don't use Sheild gate meta or rolling guard either, I was honestly just dropping the little tidbit of info for those that genuinely didn't know it had that little perk.
Like there's still folks that don't know that well of life negates status for anyone in its potential circulus sized radius, and that it's shoot to heal effect is considerably wider than it's heal radius.
Eximus abilities don't matter when u can just 1 shot them 😎
@@padarousou Fair enough, kinda depends on their level though frankly. If I'm 3-4 hours into circulus, they start to survive depending on the weapon I'm using as frankly my weapons that 1-tap everything aren't always the most fun to me, gets a bit stale.
i mostly ignore the community side of overframe, but it actually has really fantastic tools and UI to plan builds ahead of time.
In the codex, Voidrig and Bonewidow are portrayed among the frames. I get it, until they make an apart category for cornbots.
I wish they can added more mech with different play styles and can be more usability other then open world and railjack mission
If I have to guess, it's people just voting for frames they like. Most warframe players aren't that analytical about what is most optimal. Even in higher MR. You have to remember that *vast* majority regular of players don't know how to put together a playable build without looking at something like overframe.
Yes, but that's not the *main* issue here.
The main issue is that they never reset the rankings of the tierlist with big reworks, buffs/nerfs, or game-changing augments, so a Warframe that is bad when it's released will stay low on the list even if it's been reworked (hydroid being a great example).
They don't vote what they like per say its how they rate overrated builds of each character they try so first they need the character want to make it good invest into this trash build some random person made dislike the build or think this bad build is good and rate the build they tried and if you look at top rated builds on warframe you still see nikana prime with viral built in on those types of builds
Limbo and Loki have been hanging out in B tier since 2017 when they were good and they just never actually left the club, so the bouncer wasn't ever able to tell them to go to C where they belong when they try to come back inside.
Chroma is doing the same in A tier, except instead of just hanging out and casually reminiscing he's been drinking himself to death as he watches everything he was ever good at slip away from him, and the bartender just feels too sorry to cut him off.
Hildryn is intentionally in B so that she can hang out with Hydroid and Garuda who got denied entry to A because the bouncer didn't trust their ID, because being in the cool kids club with * checks notes * fucking Vauban and Lavos means nothing to her.
Can you be any more gay?
I laughed at this for like 5 minutes @@InfamousTub
this is so true
I mean, Lavos is fine, if not A, then at least B+ tier. All this talk that Lavos is bad is ultra copium.
@@stevanmilovanovic9128 You have to jump through so many hoops to make Lavos competitive with other frames in content that matters. It's like sticking rivens onto bad weapons and then using Warframe buffs and armour strip and damage vulnerability to make it able to kill enemies, when you can do the exact same with a good weapon with less than a quarter of the effort. Lavos isn't good; not because he's useless in the game, but because everything else is so many miles ahead of him that he doesn't even register on the scale of good, and trying to justify that is the real copium.
I don't know who needs to hear this, but with only an 18 forma investment and a couple Umbrals, Sevagoth can totally be low A-tier contender. :)
:D Best comment on this entire thread, easy
with only a 100 forma investment and all of his abilities replaced by revenants, caliban can contend with S tiers
Wdym rev has 1 truly good ability the others are a bad volt 4, bad movement (that people somehow like apparently) and a few weak dudes to draw fire caliban is literally nekros just worse the ai summons the strip the survivability (through the strip its a 2 for 1 package deal can be 3 for 1 with augment being gloom) what else usable does caliban do i cant think of anything.(also caliban cant punch people to life so 100% superior lol)@@chokonnit7337
💀 if sev prime comes out im gonna end myself
@@i_fuze_hostages6 coming out sometime this year. rest in peace lil bro
Zephyr doesnt get played because the things that make her strong don't fit the fantasy of the frame. Grouping up enemies and shooting at tornados doesnt really capture the feeling of flying through the air that she was pitched on, especially with titania sucking all the air out of the room.
Bad zephyr players be sitting on the ground. They forget they have aimglide and instant float ability.
@@ifeawosika966 most builds subsume the first so that half is down and the lazy one sthat sit on the ground are normally the zephyr mains that have their favorite tornado shooting weapon so they don't need the crit
I just don't use zephyr too much as I have energy issues on her as my luck can go 20 mins with no orb and haven't spent loads of time and forma making her viable yet I think that's a problem for a few people as the character doesn't give a edge for a goal as others do so less warrented for progressing than a weapon for example
@@Cod__Fish I recently changed my build to add energy nexus. Nourish makes it so much sweeter. Btw i run speed build zephyr.
@@ifeawosika966 yeah I think the last thing I did was test nexus for it tbh this was a bad time to start on some I recently got every prime in the game (just before guass and I haven't played since his release so without that one) and reset all builds as I only had like 8 builds that were updated since before sagath shield gate so most weren't usable I even had some from like 2016 and prime release builds so when I return to the game I'll make a build I think
Its such a pleasant moment after all these years of loving Zephyr to hear Zime going to bat for her so violently now
Mag is an easy A-tier frame, what are you on about ? She has an armour strip, very good CC, shield restore, overshields and is nigh on unkillable with the shield gate changes, if you play her correctly. She's easily the best starter frame and outranks Excal by a lot, She ranks no less than Hildryn for me.
Agreed. It always makes me laugh when I see people not rate her very high. I don't know if the opinion that she's not good is a holdover from when her 1 was an absolute joke.
Fracturing Crush + Corrosive Projection means you only have to invest a little bit into Ability Strength (115%) to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. You put Breach Surge on her and SHIT GOES OFF.
You gotta remember, it needs to be meta for him to actually like
Agreed, i got very lucky early game to have someone gift me a full mag prime set and she’s great. (Though need some tips on how to mod her and whats worth putting on since im just about to finally finish the starchart so im still relatively new)
@@benjamindesmarais1221 Okay, with Mag, the aim is to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. If you use Corrosive Projection as your aura mod and the Fracturing Crush augment, all you need is 115% Ability Strength to get it.
I'm also using Breach Surge in place of her 3. You can replace her 1 but I find Pull far too useful.
My build is as follows:
Corrosive Projection
Power Drift
Primed Continuity
Streamline
Primed Flow
Fracturing Crush
Fleeting Expertise
Rolling Guard
Stretch
Natural Talent
Arcane Energise
Molt Efficiency
Archon Shards are completely up to you but I would advise two Amber Shards for Casting Speed. It helps you use Crush a lot faster.
Inb4 someone sees this build and absolutely shits on it. Such is Warframe.
@@benjamindesmarais1221 I posted by build to you but RUclips has deleted my comment so I'll have to type it again. 😅
Okay, so the objective is to get a 100% armour strip with Crush. With Corrosive Projection and Fracturing Crush, you only need 115% Ability Strength to do so. Having 115% AS results in something like an 86% armour strip, with Corrosive Projection on top, that's 100%.
I'm using Breach Surge in place of her 3. Strip Armour, Magnetise, Breach Surge, watch shit go crazy.
My build is as follows:
Corrosive Projection
Power Drift
Primed Continuity
Streamline
Primed Flow
Fracturing Crush
Fleeting Expertise
Rolling Guard
Stretch
Natural Talent
Arcane Energize
Molt Efficiency
Use any Archon Shards you like, but I advise 2 Amber for Casting Speed, just to get Crush out faster. If you do Crimson, you don't need to do Ability Strength as what's already on the build is enough. You could do Shields, Armour, or Health. Even Max Energy is a good option. It's up to you.
Why is he hating on Mag so much, literally has full room cc, full armor strip and overshield generation/shield gating on 1 ability(4 with augment). Mag 4 with augment is literally a better pillage. She can nuke level cap easily with her 2. 1 is also really good cc. 3 can do alot of damage if you know how to use it, and is also a good helminth slot for the only thing she struggles with, which is energy. Calling Mag B tier is an insult. Easily one of the best frames for endurance, she is great at survival, disruption. Can armor strip massive areas in faster game modes, armor strips accolytes and void angels. I agree with many of his takes in this video, but his take on mag is criminal
I always like your vids but after watching your Vauban vid recently, I feel like that’s the one you missed the mark on most. Differences of opinion are fine but it seems like you don’t understand his kit fully. For example, his flechette orb can be buffed like a weapon and its damage calculation scales with enemy level, everything dies.
He’s not S tier even though I like him but he’s better than you give him credit for. He’s like, the closest we have to a control frame. The Temu Protea.
Honestly I wouldn't even say Temu Protea, just side grade Protea, in my experience she has her own problems, mostly on relying on spamming hundreds of shield orbs in order to stay alive in higher level stuff, but Vauban is at least only slightly below her in terms of what he can do most of the time. Biggest problems I can say is he has less survivability solely because he can't spam instant shield gates and a good portion of his kit is definitely underpowered (bounce pad was honestly a loss for the community and boost pad is not a worthy enough successor, even for memes)
I'd say the same, I was very much a Vauban main and made it to the new war with little to no problem, once you get to kuva fortress/lua it's harder to continue with him but up until that point he's still a perfectly fun frame to play.
I used to like their website as a resource tool but seeing so many people say that it's bad. It's kind of disappointing because I don't even know where else to go look at these things. Even if I go to brozine's profile he does. He does tier list. It seems at the end of every year not at the end of every update and he hasn't posted the one for 2025 yet. Or supposedly he has one for 2024, but I don't know if that's for the end of 2024 or the beginning of 2024 on his website
Disagree on the Vauban comments Brozime. Vauban has been featured in many 9999 level videos over the last three years and is one of the few really sleeper FUN frames that don't have zoomies or some hyper aggressive scaling stat gimmicks.
Vauban AND zephyr are criminally under played and they both basically do similar things. Both can crowd control and group enemies. Both have scaling damage components from tornado inheritance to vaubans ability to strip + turret. Both provide meaningful utility to the team. Years ago I did prodman with Vauban and I never really fell off "this was before SP." Vauban just needs accessibility just as zephyr.
I agree. bro in the video was smoking some crack
I got Vauban before I took a years long break, he was waiting for me in my forge. I like him but having to switch the 2 ability around is kinda annoying, I just want the shooting ball and the buff, the speed pad feels useless.
lavos is actually really good when built right, yes he has cooldowns but i use him for facetanking so much for just casually playing the game. not having to worry about dying is great even in sp
You know what I hate about tier list? They're normally stupid and poorly thought out. You know what's worse? Brozime's takes on a lot of these frames.
Gotta be honest im not even regular on his videos but I saw he was gonna rant a tier list, but damn he does have some really bad takes on some frames
just hearing him saying Qorvex does NOT belong in A tier is already a bad take.
Can someone please tell me why oberon should be at most below Excalibur? I’m looking at the kits and something just doesn’t add up
oberon, for a very long time, was my most played frame, but realistically his kit only holds up late with this smite augemnt for buffing purposes, which wisp can buff in similar ways but also more ways, and better. Excalibur, at least, has an exalted weapon, which can be made strong to some capacity, while oberons kit falls off a steeeeeeeeeeeeeep cliff at around level 60, generally, even with forma@@hardluckmk.52
Fr Vauban is one of the strongest frames in the game this guy was def on crack
Watched this on the stream. There are definitely some interesting artifacts of how the scoring is done, but it's also nice to hear Brozime give quick opinions on things as he works through it.
Stop sleeping on mag! Nothing survives my magnetize. Full sheilds whenever with polarize, oversheilds with crush & pull is just hilariously fun.
Mag is amazeballs. Pull is amazing. Try swapping out pull for Airburst. Gives you the option of pull (or push :D ) and at range :)
People just don't realize her potential same as equinox
@newbplaygames tell me your use case for equinox, just never clicked with me. I know mend and maim & rest and rage are good abilities but I just don't know how to make it work on a fun level
you really can't make a starter warframe supper op, Mag is balanced, but is low A tier
@@matowakan oh it is high A she is not super overpowered like others
"frost is better than voruna"
i think this man doesnt know vorunas passive/active ability set
ignoring all status effects including knockdown beats a pretty meh snowglobe in my book
also not dying and producing health orbs on demand
Regarding the first one, Necramech also VAPORIZES in steel path and necracells because you can't cast it's iron skin, so you get killed in a few seconds. Not even debatable how bad voidrig is in high level content.
He's considering to be glass cannon insanely strong yet weak defence
hope ppl know that the tier list is bad and so is brozime's takes specifically with voruna,gyre,mag not belonging in A-tier at least
It would be nice if you reviewed some top voted builds on frames/weapons. There are some outrageous ones out there and every newbie steered off them is a big win.
The main problem is that a lot of them are simply outdated
The only one's that get frequent updates are one's that are currently meta or just plain popular
Otherwise, the highest voted build will always be from 2-4 years ago
@@vizor4067 Oh I know, but that's not something a new player will know, they'll just google "... build", get served Overframe and see the top rated build with 2000+ votes and just go with that
Thank you for saying that about Hildryn. I thought I was the insane one looking at this tier list. Plus I never see other Hildryns anymore.
Most ppl will never know how good Yareli truly is.
She does have some funny stuff going on but gets a bit restricted by her kit. If I could put her anywhere it'd probably be A- and the minus only due to some of her clunkiness.
Brozine roasting Overframe is very ironic, this was the same person who put pre-rework Inaros in A+ tier 💀
My disgust as a revenant main seeing fucking Voidrig placed above my boy. It's a visual visceral betrayal.
Relax man. Revenant right now is ranked 1st out of 55 Warframes while Voidrig is ranked 1st out of 2 cornbots.
100%, voidrig is there because internally (as in on the website) it's a warframe so they can use the same health/eHP/ability stats calcs for both frames and necramechs, but they neglected to add a flag to each warframe/necramech that says "hey are you a warframe? yes? into the tier list you go!"
Also why are the New War weapons spoilered, but the Grimoire (from a main story quest AFTER new war) isn't???
mag shouldn't be in A?
mag with the delete whatever u want button? the conveniently group everything in front of u button? the free shields and enemy deleters button? the free armor strip and cc button?
nah I'm leaving, for someone criticising overframe you've got some hella overframe opinions
it really isnt confusing when you realize its just a tally of what people vote on. So most people arent going to come back after a nerf to downgrade their vote. Or come back after a rework. So resetting it would fix a lot of stuff. A popular warframe on release is going to still be highly weighted even after it falls long out of favor
Zephyr main since her rework, been here for years and she's my most used warframe and will be for the next ten years. There's at least like three of us out there.
Would maybe play her if Garuda didn't exist...
@@sulevjaaniste5394 different styles of frame, zephyr is just a mega easy weapon platform.
@@lialockhart7455 both are easy weapon platforms and also have good aerial maneuverability
the comments about trinity and equinox hurt me
Brozime giving us Zephyr players the love we deserve
Trinity deserves her spot at A tier. An abating link tank build is great if you never want to die while stripping armor off targets. Obviously, she's not so great at DPS, as her abating link only affects 3 targets max, but if you want a frame that will never fail you in Steel Path, Trinity is the frame to go with. Also, her 1 ability completely negating status effects for you and allies is criminally underrated.
Gonna have to disagree with you on Mag. She's a nasty one. S-Tier hands down.
Same with Gyre. Hard to fit into A? Really? She's immortal with primed redirection shield gating and pillage and nukes entire tilesets.
Brozime has some iffy opinions.
@@NathanialSCoughtry Everyone is immortal with shield gating. Pillage isn't her ability. Bro always rates without taking helminth into consideration. Once you factor in helminth all warframes are impossible to rate
Nah my opinion she's belongs in high A
And I am mag mains
@NathanialSCoughtry Every frame can get into extremely high levels. What makes the other frames better than others is how easy it is to get them there. I.e it takes literally no effort to get revenant to high levels.
This is so funny, I was on Overframe just yesterday saying out loud "What the hell are they thinking?" looking at these rankins and here's a video on "What the hell are they thinking" while looking at these rankings. Rofl.
Vauban is trash? You should really have another look at him.
With the spectrorage augment he ensures your team will never run out of energy.
He's also a great pick for circuit with flachette dealing millions of dmg.
I agree he's not trash, but he's C at best nonetheless.
What you have to consider with tier lists is "what can do what this does but better?" and in vaubans case a lot of warframes can do better. Any Warframe can equip spectrorage, and many can do more than enough damage for the circuit.
To name one, Styanax can provide massive energy regen to his whole team constantly, do insane damage that scales up to level cap in sp circuit, while also making the team functionally invulnerable with his augment - and that's only 2 of his abilities.
Rating a frame is their own abilities
@@technoviking2415 This. Please for the love of god this. Saying a warframe is amazing once you helminth x and archon shard y is moving into unrateable territory!
@@NickHunter why not? It’s an option open to everyone so it should be considered for the list
Flechette Orbs is a multiple instances of damage that scales with enemy survivability and Bastille strips armor and adds it to Vauban before becoming a second CC ability for free in Vortex. People sleep on Vauban’s ability to commit war crimes way too often. Yes there are better options but Vauban is not D-tier.
Hold on, why are you shitting on Gyre? Gyre with Pillage is practically old World on Fire except Steel Path. I'd say she is A+, she only struggles against bosses with no one to pillage from like in the Whispers in the Walls missions.
I'd personally put Garuda in low B because I hate her play style, shes slow and clunky constantly priming people. I don't see what she brings other than Gloom and infinite energy for Gloom.
Mag is also an A frame IMO. Tons of survivablity with her 4 augment, group entire continents of people with her 1, and delete the toughest enemies in the game with Magnetize.
If Mag and Gyre aren't A half that list aren't A.
Also, Vauban would be amazing if his 4 didn't lift enemies. Bastille should be an AOE armor strip, the fact it doesn't armor strip rag-dolled enemies is THE worst part about him. Let me drop a vortex down, then a Bastille ontop, and drop a nail turret under the Vortex. That shit is insane with Nourish. His nail turrets with Nourish hit for over 1million damage. His problem is that his best ability Vortex prevents him from stripping armor.
Gyre absolutely requires both Pillage and her 4 augment to merely be functional and still has survival problems and can’t handle content where other good Warframes are getting kills
Absolutely have to disagree on the garuda part. Okay sure its your opinion that u dont like the playstyle, but you’re only talking about 1 build (gloom) while there are countless builds out there that make her great and fun to play. Especially if u subsume nourish over her 2. Makes nuking every room really easy and primes everything if u want to use another weapon
I just got into warframe within the last month, and off of a purely visual stance i choose voruna as my main. B tier is not to bad tbh
i feel sorry for you, farming her is pure pain especially if you are new to the game. But other than that she's really solid and fun pick to main.
@@Epion715 I absolutely despise her farm, why I don't own her yet
The best warframes are the ones you enjoy playing. Tier lists are only for try hards who would sell their grandmother just to hit red crits. Enjoy the game people. Don't be a sheep.
I love how i haven't played this game in years but the tier list is fundamentally the same.
I must say I don't agree with lavos and Vauban. I get plenty of use out of both of them even in higher level content. I get through sanctum anatomica stuff fast when solo with lavos even though I agree his ability damage isn't the most insane thing ever because he has pretty great tanking and still can at least debuff people with any status you can think of. And Vauban regularly carries me with abilities alone in the steel path circuit. Having a good weapon to deal with CC immune things is obviously good but he can armor strip with Bastille, CC hard with that, vortex and arguably the 1, and deal big damage with his flechette orbs. Even if his entire kit isn't insane I don't dare count him or Lavos as anything under B tier. And as a side note I only agree with Limbo being lower because the wacky shit he can do does require a lot of micromanagement to sustain, much less live through, but he's still far from D in my eyes, and leveling up sevagoth while spamming void fissures for ducats this weekend makes me view him as perfectly fine honestly, he's certainly not amazing and i'd probably need to do a lot more than what i've got now to keep him aalive and thriving in steel path but even then, at least with his augment, he wasn't completely useless. Worth keeping around as opposed to helminthing one and selling the other i've got.
I agree about Lavos. He's not an A-tier frame, but what he said about him just isn't true. Saying his damage is bad, like, just no. He has really high damage, it's just people don't know how to build him. And he's an absolute tank. Lavos can easily hang with some of the top frames in the toughest content, IMO.
Could he use a rework? Definitely. I have some ideas how DE could rework him to bring out the best. Personally, I think Condition Overload should apply to his whole kit, not just Catalyse. I also think something like killing enemies effected by status should reduce his CDs, and perhaps an Ability Strength buff when he picks up Energy Orbs. Casting Speed is fine on his abilities, but I wish they traveled faster once they were cast. Lastly, Catalyse should be spherical.
Yeah I'm side-eyeing the Vauban comments myself. Sounds like he hasn't really used Vauban for a while or is prejudiced from his pre-rework experience, cause he absolutely slaps the shit out pretty much any horde mode content like SP circuit in my experience (not as good as Saryn but still, it's a different kind of playstyle). I can easy solo most of it with the combo of vortex and orbital if I get even moderately okay decrees.
Now that you spell it out like that yeah, he seems to be complaining about people having not used certain frames in years and yet it feels as though he hasn't even tried to explore vauban's potential since he got reworked.
@@jaeriko4395 And any good frame can solo no mater the decrees
The Overframe tier lists would benefit from adding a drop-down menu to select rankings from past Warframe updates. This would allow players to see frame metas evolve over time rather than just the cumulative list. It could provide useful context on strengths and weaknesses for both new and returning players, while preserving the historical record in a more accessible way.
still think borzime is being too harsh on mag, massive damage multiplier from bubble with projectile weapons, 100% armor strip at only 137% Power strength, easy shieldgate potential. I think she is at least A rank, since she is basically just the same capability of zephyr.
Mag is a S tier no doubt its just he doesn't play her to learn and understand her enough
Armour strips need 134% STR
@@newbplaygames sorry forgot that you can hit 134% since I just use augur secrets and 1 red shard since that's imo the easiest way to hit the PS required.
@@redmonkeyninja2941 your info it's close enough that most people won't notice the difference
Theres no way you are saying limbo is worse than inaros. Limbo has 4 abilities that work, and Inaros's most glaring flaw is that you can only subsume one ability
Everyone probably hates Limbo for the anti synergy he has on most teams and eximus/nullifiers but to honest Limbo is a good frame but the with the CC nerf and his minimal synergy with most frames kinda make's him meh in people's eyes and his reputation for being a troll frame doesn't help
So when is the real tier list? I need a good laugh when you place Vauban in D for not having armour strip, endless energy, and little instakillah defense nodes and the like.
Not sure why you hate the old boy so much but it is hilarious to hear you go off on him.
"Not sure why you hate the old boy so much". Because Vauban is garbage and has been for years.
He DOES have armor strip is the best part, it even works on units that aren't actively being lifted by his 4
The armour strip needs strength on a frame that doesn’t need it. He is immensely godlike in Circuit because he gets that power strength without needing to build it. That orb be sending Thrax units straight to their king.
@@SaiKisaragi Vauban SLAPS in Circuit
Then again, Circuit is powercrept so hard that someone who just unlocked SP can easily hit level cap as long as they've done some intrinsic grinding in normal mode lol
@@kinsan89 I haven’t even did level cap and I’m legardary 3, who the fuck is doing that shit for real
Gyre is op she deserve A, the reds Cc with molt augmented and eficiency is crazy
i dont understand the gyre disrespect shes a crit monster
The tier list def feels like a casual player view of most frames
Well most Warframe players are indeed casual players and there's nothing wrong about it. So casual tier list makes sense. Also, most builds placed on over frame are done by casual players.
@@inyoushoes that'd be fine if it was just called a casual frame review or popularity test instead of Tier list, because calling tier list means and inplies that some are better than others and it might be misleading for some players, and tier list should be based on facts not opinions, because something being good and bad can be proven.
@@GreytestGrey Everything is subjective though. If you just want to stand in a corner and press a button x frame is best for that. If you actually want to utilise the insane movement system and reach a kind of skill ceiling the tier list changes again. Both are facts for both mindsets
@@NickHunter everything is subjective? Damn, then cigarette dont actually give cancer then, ive been lied. If you watch tier list, you commonly see that the best character are at the top and oftenly they are the ones that requiere the least skill and provide the biggest benefits, thats why they are at the top, of course you can make and jump a lot of stuff to make something work, but it still doesnt make it good, is loki good? No, but he can turn invisible and thats goos, but the whole frame set and abilites are underwhelming and dont pair well with eachother, thats why its set lower in tierlist, compared to octavia, who also turns invisible and also gives you like a million buffs, thats why octavia is high in tierlist
@@NickHunter everything is subjective??then i guess cancer isn't caused by excesive smoking, time to smoke. Tier list don't take in consideration skill, because in that case there is no point, because with enough skill you can make everything work. Tier list often have the best character on top because the best characters often take the less skill to use, if i turn invisible with loki and clear a SP mission that doesnt make the whole frame good, if it takes a lot of effore and jumping hoops to make something work then its bad or worse then the alternative, thats literally why technology evolves and updates.
Also skill is not mutualy exclusive to using a bad or a good frame, a good mesa will swoosh trough a mission and a bad mesa will be very slow and might even die from forggeting to use their 3.
So, you can use and make work a bad frame, but that wont make it good, just because you can run fast on four legs doesnt make it better than just running on two
This was great. It made me think if their was a riven tier list it would break me based on some of what i have seen on the market.
Brozime is too harsh on Vauban. Not saying hes a A or anything but In a game with objectives that involve holding a point vortex is pretty amazing. Huge aoe, infinite duration, perma stun and brings the enemies into one handy pile for killing
Yep. Disruption, def, excavation, netracells, survival, boss fights, you name it. Basically anything except exterminate, spy and rescue. And he can do those with little to no risk of dying, just slower
He also forgets that he can armor strip and he has flexhette orbs, and if youve never used it then start using it, probably the strongest ability in the game for flat out damage
Eximus units say hi
@@330DKNY They get Bastille armor strip too. As almost any CC, eximus require you shooting at them. That's it.
@@330DKNY also even then flachette orbs do decent damage against the overguard on them it isnt offcourse the best way to deal with them but it does far better then most frames abilities for damage
Silence is good insurance on frames that could get wrekt by Violence, like Valkyr and Limbo. It also stops Thrax and some other enemies from doing the moves that make them temporarily invincible, so it helps you kill faster on select missions.
Its good on many more than that from interactions also I've seen rhino's use it sometimes I think they have some loss issues with the losing of their overguard. But there is a vid like 6 years old of life water doing a equinox night with silence on lvl cap as support with a few alterations it still works and you are the best support as you can sleep and stun the whole map give people more shield gate that can help at times and shut down violence so everyone doesn't get 1 shot when they didn't know he spawned yet
I still use silence with its subsume to level up frames on adaro thanks to the sneak affinity multiplier. Silence is thus by far my most subsumed ability, but it does not mean I use it in actual real content. That can explain its weird position in this table
@@lady2005du01 the main reason of it being here is silence was the old gloom before tempestarii everyone subsumed silence on everyone especially those like Ash and them because it was a decent range cc that stops them shooting at you a little bit instead of slow it stuns and especially before shield gate was a bigger thing silence was always used by people that was somewhere around like 3 years ago silence is amazing especially with any slow and cordon/magnetic melee arcane grouping if you use lower range. Its never been a better time to use it but people dont understand it anymore. (I find it funny that one meta build at one point was silence atlas and it still is super broken but no one knows of it its the same now but better and even the rumbled augment was sometimes used with it back then)
Brozime only seems to think the easy to use/afk frames are good though. Thing is that it doesn't really matter how much effort you put into playing those frames, you'll always get about the same results. Meanwhile frames that take more effort to play can get you a lot more milage the more effort you put in.
"Hmmmmm, actual effort to play? Trash, don't want it, put it lower. But Saryn, Revenant? Fuck yeah"
@@kinsan89Literally, no frame in this game takes effort to play. Please get off this weird high horse.
@Dubulcle Spoken like a true Mesa/Saryn/Khora main
@@Dubulcle please, then, use Limbo, Vauban, Caliban, any of the other frames that brozime was hating on, and take them to high level content as you would the easy-build frames like Revenant or Saryn. Let me know how well those go for you when you put "no effort" into them
@@AstrusEminus I don't "main" a warframe. As should nobody.
And even if I did "main," these frames? And? Surely you don't have such a lack of critical thinking that you'd actually attempt to make fun of someone playing a frame that's well designed? I don't get this strange mentality a lot of the community has.
Vauban is good with his control and grenades, which adapt to the enemy's level (that is, he does not depend on the weapon, since it is enough to throw a couple of grenades). About Tesla-nervos: a good ability that gives control and (with augment) damage distribution across the zone (hello kullervo). In addition, it gives you the opportunity to use it to get the archon stretching bonus (hello dispensary). I am silent about the fact that Vauban can remove the armor of enemies. As a result, a universal frame that can effectively stand on 90% of missions. And his first ability is a combination of the abilities of the other two warframes + it has stun.
what do you mean voruna is not A tier? she is amazing any basically any situation in my experience her ult can one shot steal path units in a aoe and she can be permanently invisible she can deal a huge amount of status damage to units aswell. the only weakness she had in my experience is her ult can take a min or 2 to get stacks on and some bosses she can not target. so I honestly don't know what u mean by she is clunky and is only good in a few situations
5:33 as the first chroma main with maximum investment Umbral Chroma, this Chroma slander will not be tolerated, sir.
Vauban's better than you give him 'Zime.
no he isn't. Much as I'd love him to be
@@NickHunter you simply play bad then.
Bro got flash back of Frost killing him with the S tier frame during all that video.
There's a reason I don't listen to overframe or Brozime. Both are wrong.
I used to despise Yareli. Then I gave her a real shot... I honestly think Yareli is great if you spend the time to learn k-drive, her built right with a good secondary like sporelacer is absolutely mind boggling. Hop off and reapply roar every minute and you're nearly unkillable (not revenant level, who else is? lol), super mobile, have persistent crowd control options and you make secondaries go WILD with merulina guardian. She's now my go-to for most missions. She's crazy good.
Limbo (the frame that can go to level cap with no mods) should be in D tier.
People don’t know how to use him and never will. He’s never going to be good in group play so he will never be popular:
He turns SP levelcap circuit into a tutorial gameplay.
I love the way Brozime defends some of the frames, its just so funny
Watching him repeatedly forget that votes never reset on Overframe and then getting confused on why the tiers are super outdated is killing me. Overframe lets you filter builds by the version they were made on, I really wish they'd let you do the same for the tierlist.
Garuda is definitely at the bottom of a tier.
As in the bottom of a tier list.
Gyre with an armor strip is a good way to get your friend to leave and make their own squad. She's pretty silly after she got the augment. A is fair for her now.
personally i put her at high B cause the investment to output ratio isn’t as good as i’d want compared to other frames
Gyre has too many problems to be A tier, but she's powerful with enough investment
@@matowakan Her only real problem is survivability, and Pillage solves that _and_ also acts as an easy strip. Gyre is undeniably A tier with pretty average investment.
@@underatededm93investment should NOT be your deciding factor for a warframe in a tierlist.
Disagree with Voruna being "too high" now with archon shards she sits comfortably at A tier. Though the commentary was very charismatic added with the classy jazz.
Tier lists can't be judged factoring in Archon shards. The same benefits the shards bring apply to all frames. If she's shit without them then she's shit, end of
Vauban was revenant's +1, that's why they didn't let revenant in S tier
Vauban is very good. Brozime is just a noob filled with cockiness.
@@1HeatWalkVauban is insanely good for people who know how to play the game outside of meta
@@kinsan89I implore you to look up what the acronym META actually means - you basically just contradicted yourself.
But yeah, Vauban is fine, most frames are playable, but he's not on the same level as other warframes.
Idk about zime's vitriol with vauban but as a guy with 36% of his playtime as the guy he's not of the worst but putting him in the same tier as nuke lord kullervo and revenant is ridiculous.
Also tesla bank is not a justification to put tesla nervos anywhere but d tier as a subsume option.
@@lj_aderyn ngl, I never even knew "meta" was an acronym when used in gaming, I thought it was just adopted in a different use compared to what the word would normally mean lol
I always tell my friends never to look at just any if not any warframe tier list as there are so many builds and configurations you can make for a warframe to make most of them lore accurate in some way shape or form yes some are better than others, but it’s best to figure it out yourself rather than trusting someone with high bias, or a draw toward just pulling votes/views by extolling their mediocre input on any frame, sometimes having people that don’t even really play the game like that making these builds or videos, I feel there are only a handful of creators you can trust with tierlists if not less than a handful but that’s my take 🤷♂️
Mag b tier would be a crime
overframe is what comes up when you search "warframe tierlist" so i actually think this is mostly fine because new players who are concerned with ~what's meta~ have this lovely tierlist basically saying "you're probably OK with almost anything you pick" which is good advice for an inexperienced player because by time they get proper experience to understand where this tierlist goes wrong they've probably started using generally better frames anyway
Voruna is indeed a one trick pony. Her one trick is to outdamage any other warframe with nervous, frantic melee gameplay. Just because Brozime doesn't like her playstyle doesn't make her bad, but warframe content creators do be like that.
voruna is actually really op she's just a bit squishy is all
@@sirzeus3324squishy?
I have zero issues and I have zero health mods, I use Arcane Blessing for her health.
Plus a yellow shard for health/energy Orbs and a purple shard that works like equilibrium.
She's not squishy at all with that. I think her rating is based on playstyle which can be a bit clunky.
But She's all sorts of warcrimes if you build her right.
THANK YOU I have not once been out damaged in any lobby unless its a map wipe saryn, on voruna with ceramic dagger incar and wrathful advance. shes legit insane
@@marcmichaud1643 do you have combat discipline in her build?
@@dokuromarshall6629 I have a build with Combat Disipline, I've got 4 Voruna Builds lol
As an oberon enjoyer. Your reaction to dude somehow finding his way into B tier for overframe had me absolutely rollin for how right it is. 'Bro go home, you drunk. Bar's closed.'
I think Voruna in A makes sense? Free crit multiplication and condition overload with her 2 plus default status immunity and stealth plus speed in the same button. Am i weird for thinking A is fair?
Not weird at all. Especially after her aug dropped and she got a slight rework to her 3, she completely earns that A-tier spot lol
Ive casually used her in multiple bits of content on HIGH sp lvls with armor stacked units. In sp circuit, if shes present i dont even have to worry about having good modded weapons as the sheer quantity of multiplied slash damage she deals makes everything beyond i guess nullifiers fall over like a slice of bread.
The best part of Mag is that people keep low selling her and she keeps getting needlessly buffed. I love it
I don't think vauban is nearly as bad as you're saying he is, might be that you haven't built to his strengths in a while but he plays just fine in any level of content really, he's just a nest builder and not great for moving around too much so his use cases are specific
that's a great frame for camping, which is the most played game mode
pretty sure Brozime's build for Vauban is negative strength, max range. Which is absolutely not how you should play vauban, lol. Vauban's best ability modifier is strength, as it makes his bastille, flechette, and overdriver really good. Also tesla nervos is good, cheap crowd control that follows you around to keep you alive
@@tanuki9691 I think the common argument is "why CC when you can just kill everyone?" I love Vauban, especially Bastille but murder and survival is priority for most people. Personally I prefer really active builds and frames but 99% of people out there just want an easy skill-free existence
@@NickHunter yes but, as I was saying, Brozime does not understand *how* to build Vauban. Because his CC is heavily focused on giving you the ability to deal damage. His passive boosts your damage a ton on anything that's CCed, and you NEED to build him with high strength (Brozime builds him with negative strength to maximize range). Sacrificing strength for range makes Vauban as bad as Brozime claims he is, because it makes him unable to kill anything. Flechette orb is one of the highest damaging abilities in the game because it scales with level, so high strength keeps it at a high damage all the time. Also, Bastille strips armor WAY faster with high strength. And overdriver is Rhino roar if it stacked with Rhino roar. You can literally subsume roar onto him and it stacks with overdriver, AND his passive!
@@NickHunter This is a fair argument, but his kill speed is pretty great actually, his CC is just an enabler. He's similar to new Hydroid in that way. I'm by no means saying he's one of the best frames in the game! But he's definitely not one of the worst, his worst sin is just being a little clunky. It's just weird that brozime ranks him so low when his normal testing method is camping a tight hallway in SP kuva fortress survival, which is something a properly built vauban excels at lmao.
Pre Overguard change Rhino
Been maining Banshee for 8 or 9 years now. I still dont understand why she is so hated :(
I'm assuming that most players just take the easy path (like Rev or Hyldryn) as it requires much less effort to survive with them. Mastering Banshee for high level play is such a satisfying experience though. Also hitting the games damage cap with a drop kick (sonar) is pretty amusing too xD
fr my dude. people just want to play the game on mega easy mode.
Hey! I doubt anyone will see this BUT I’m a MR 21 player that took a 5 year break from the game until cross save dropped. I’ve been using this site for the last month but am happy to hear something from a knowledgeable source. So thank you, it’s so hard to find knowledge from the community on this game I swear lol.
The website is pretty decent for finding builds, but the tierlist is flawed, so don't rely on it for finding good frames/weapons.
just don’t trust the tier lists. overframe DOES have a few decent build creators you can pull from though (ninjase namely has some cool builds, i dig his revenant build)
FROST BETTER THAN MAG!?!?! RAAAAAH
Reasons why we don’t listen to RUclipsrs lol cause he smoking some strong shit with that statement
mag is the most underrated warframe in the game
The big problem I've noticed with overframe is that the actually good and meta builds are very old posts that get updated/revised and no votes because it's not tagged for the latest patch
Mag beats Gara all day. Only reason Mag isn't S tier is because people don't know how to run Mag.
Could say that of any frame in the game. People don't want to know how to "run" frames. I say this as an 8yr Mag main
@@NickHunter lol, me too. Rare breed.
Its so crazy to see all these frames that were amazing the last time I played be considered trash now
Im sick of this unjust Chroma slander , saying he is bad makes you sound like you have never even built him
He’s a shell of his former glory but +600% damage is +600% damage
@@Klawzor the question is why are you running him with such low strength? I get it have archon shards on him to get him to 380+ str but by this late in the game and we are talking about his end game viability so it shouldnt be an issue, but my point is even without using strength boosting arcanes he can get easily 1100% damage boost with just archon shards and the 20% strength from zenerik and then if u really want to u can giga bump it further with the grimoire and arcanes but i like to keep the comfy arcane blessing arcane grace combo and this makes him nigh unkillable in 99.99% of situations and if you run fire on his 2 stacked with blessing and grace you can out heal any stalker slash procs that might threaten your life plus you have more than enough damage to kill anything in the game. And you can push this even further by using wrathful advance and glaive prime, you can easily out dps most other dps frames (at least in the dmg % in the post mission results) sure its alot of investment but we never said he was hard to build most people just say he cant be good and this is just purely wrong, years ago before the helminth and before the guardian armor mod sure you could say he is too energy hungry for not enough return and lable him bad bug right now he is the strongest he has ever been because what ever dmg he lost back in the day he has more than made up for it in unkillablity and comfortable easy wins
@@Rexy2552I run max strength, I was just giving an arbitrary number to illustrate how insane he is. Also it was like whatever time at night for me and I didn't feel like checking the exact damage increase he can get. 600% is a fuck ton, and the fact that 600% is low for chroma is a testament to how stupid good he can be lmao
I have never heard of Overframe. Ever. I’ve been playing Warframe for nearly 10 years at this point and have never once seen this site, I feel like I’ve missed out on a good laugh this whole time.
But seriously almost every frame can do all the content in the game it just depends on investment and how much you like a frame but seeing Voidrig there with Brozs reaction alongside Vauban made me smile.
Brozime dogging on vauban without any reason told me all I needed to know about his vauban knowledge
He’s insane if he’s built properly
Vauban is F tier. Maybe E tier if I want to be really generous because at least vortex can be useful once in a blue moon.
@@DaShikuXI tells us everything we need to know about your Vauban knowledge
@@kinsan89 Keep dreaming man, keep dreaming.
They're right though. You just don't know shit about his kit and interactions with arcanes with flechette. You're just confidently incorrect.@@DaShikuXI
I just started a few weeks ago now but vaubaun has been incredible in the earlier stages of the game.
The absolute disrespect that vauban received is uncalled for. Its like he only rates frames on brain dead survivability instead of what they offer
Think Voruna is perfectly on A tier. I mean just to list the pros with her:
* Has strong melee both in terms of attacks as well as crit/heavy efficiency buffs.
* Potentially one of the fastest frames you can use with the 1st passive + ability
*Has one of if not the best status procs, as she can practically inflict all the elements AT THE SAME TIME
*Is immune to enemy status effects via 3rd passive
*Can act as a stealth frame given she can go invisible
*Got practically unlimited energy via the synergy of the 2nd and 3rd abilities
*Is super fun to use across big maps with lots of enemies via her 4th ability, which can be used endlessly against weaker mobs via augment mod
*Is kinda sexy
Any reason to give her a lower rating than A?
Is he still going to make his own tier list for this year?
Yes
@@Brozime Def looking forward to it, just came since before Duviri personally. It would be nice if your best build for each is shown, but god it'd be a long vid.
He says it in the vid. He's just waiting for use rate stats
@@realhumanbean7915 Ah thanks! I must've missed it
@@Brozimecan you take a look at protea before the video as it is a higher tier frame that I think has changed to be a lot more complicated recently and I think you misunderstood from this video
Really enjoyed Brozime's personality coming through on this one