Sony a7C Hands-on Review + comparisons to Sony a7 III
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- We put the new Sony a7C to the test in our hands-on review! Learn about important differences between the a7C and the popular Sony a7 III.
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The touch focus does not have lag in reality. It starts working the instant you tap the screen, the lag is the lens focusing.
The box displays in the moved position once focus is obtained.
There are also two touch focus modes on the rear screen. Normal and with tracking.
Track pad function while you use the evf is totally different and it too is quick. Some have mistakenly said it is slow because they don't use it correctly.
It has a "sticky" function once you focus. To move quickly you just have to lift the finger and hop to where you and to go.
Once you develop muscle memory for this it is faster than a joystick.
I too at first thought it was funky until I understood how it works.
0:32 one of the best photos Chris have ever composed
Right?😂 it's an incredible photo and he shows it so casually
I was dreaming of such a camera for YEARs. For me it came too late, as I'm now happy with a Z6. However it's refreshing and exciting to see a rangefinder style camera with all the SONY tech inside. But it's a shame that they have not implemented the new menue system. Many thanks for the, as always, informative and entertaining review. You guys rock!!!!!
I saw here in Romania the Z6 for 1400 euros and the Sony 7C for 2000. What do you think its better on Nikon? I know Sony is more expansive but the SD card are cheaper and the lenses too because you can buy a lot of third comapnies.
@@travelerexperience I sold my A73 due to the handling (ergos) that was a pain with larger lenses. And the colors in A73 is not good, sure you can fix most of it in post if you shoot raw, but spending so much time to get rid of that strange green and magenta cast in the images, isn't worth the time in my opinion. I bought the z6 and I love it. Sure the autofocus is a tad slower, but there is so much more to a camera than that.
When it comes to lenses Nikon has released a respectful amount of lenses, given the system is only 2 years old. And all of the z lenses are incredible good. And if you want you can use all of the af-s lenses from previous mount + third party lenses. Then there is the fringer adapter where you can adapt even Canon EF or Sony lenses with good result.
Then there is the video side of things. The stabilizer in A7III isn't nearly as good as in the z6. Even used with ois lenses the A7III hardly beat z6 with non stabilized a lens.
Many may have other opinions, but that's my reflection of using the z6 for a month.
bjurra 🙏🏼
@@bjure8111 the C has new colour. Most people say its pretty good now. Ive even seen canon people say this.
@@markshirley01 let's hope so, it would be a step on the right direction. Let's also hope that they increase the grip a bit and make the ergos better for upcoming A7 models. Then I will be back in the Sony stable again 😊
That kit lens looks amazing! Looks like a really fun grab-and-go setup. I have no problem with bigger bodies and lenses but I think many people underestimate the pure joy of such a light, compact setup. Reminds me of when I first got the A6000 with 16-50 - such a great experience! Thanks for making reviews I can actually trust. Cheers
Less intrusive too for street photography
Nice review. One thing most reviewers forget to test is how the EVF works for people who wear glasses (not all can have contact lenses). Maybe you could get a pair of glasses without correction to test with?
Just dropped the same reply before I saw this one
Ooof. The sadness intro was right in the feels. That was... different.
When I know I am going to hate the camera, when Chris compliments the grip.
Why.
Last but not least this review of a7C. I remember in 2010 when you were one of the firsts to review the innovative Sony NEX-3 and NEX-5, the first mirrorless cameras by Sony. I saw that video then and it was the main reason I entered the e-mount world. Something I have never regret. Since then the duo has changed channel and is not as fast as before.
Hey, loved the humour at the start of the video! As for the camera, it's not for me, I already have the A7III. But I'm disappointed that Sony didn't put in the new menu system. Let's hope they put that right with the A7IV (and don't raise the price too much!)
I just wanted to stop by and say that I absolutely love your reviews. You guys have perfected the review like phlearn has perfected the tutorial in the photo world, for me at least. Thank you for all the hard work!
Lot of camera nerds not happy with this camera (so many negative comments from people who were never in the market anyway) but for a lot of "average people" with the money this will be a blast.
It looks good, it's compact with that lens, an any salesperson with half a brain will stick customers on the end of it and say look how well the auto focus works, see how it follows people around and that sensor takes a damn good picture however old it is. Not to mention video vlogging features.
plus btw the lens range is comparable to phone cameras
I can never get over your video quality and than the detail in the review its like you created the camera yourself :)
10:41 looking closely at the bench, someone has expressed what we all have been going through in the past 6 months
Haha I saw this as well
Fuck COVID
*Most depressing beginning in a camera review ever...so depressing that I loved it!
Nearly didn’t watch this because I thought Gerald already told me everything I needed to know about this camera, but I’m glad I did... YOU GUYS ALWAYS BRING IT!
Man, that lens is sharp. Pretty impressive for a kit lens
Nope, weak corner, even stopped down
It produces beautiful colours too!
All jokes and jabs aside, I’m surprised it costs $1,800. Even if we ignore the cheaper full frame options from other manufacturers and just look at the Sony lineup, it’s not particularly attractive. From what I am hearing, this camera is basically an A7iii. An A7iii is $2,000 (and has been since it came out a few years ago). So you’re saving $200... but you’re losing the MUCH better viewfinder, the 2nd card slot, the AF joystick, etc. Plus you’re still getting the now “older” tech of the A7iii on a “new” camera in 2020.
Idk, just seems like if you wanted the A7iii you’d be better off just buying the A7iii. If you wanted to save money while still having an A7iii, you’re better off buying a used A7iii.
The A7iii looks to be a better value.
Flippy screen doesn't make up for it? How bout better af tracking than A7III? New color science, more shots per charge, carbon fiber mechanical shutter, deeper buffer, smaller, lighter, cheaper, compatible with Sony's digital shotgun mic, auto focus points colors, no record limit, and no overheating.
@@sosomelodies659 Wait are you using rational thinking.... we don't do that here.
@@sosomelodies659 another thing that is not mentioned anywhere in the reviews, the A7C videos can be stabilised in post using its gyroscopic metadata, the A7III videos cannot. It will be interesting to see the first in practice uses of that camera, it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
@@MichaelKefeder I heard about it but wasn't sure it was featured so I didn't mention it. Thanks for the confirmation tho. 👍
Man, you look devastated. Cheer up, bro! I know it's tough in this pandemic situation. But we're not used to see you like this. I mean you are one of the most joyful person on RUclips. ❤
No one cares dawg
I'm so glad they made a vlogging lens to vlog my nose. Great job Sony.
Mad English TV what is “vlogging😐
@@johnkoelsch5030 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog
@@TheTongo11 still dont understanf
Just put the details
ruclips.net/video/8Iv_KKAia48/видео.html
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Nicely articulated feeling of doom and gloom in the beginning. That's why I like these guys - they don't do robotic specs reviews, but add a human touch.
Finally, I have found the best camera for me.
No record limit
Weather seal
Fully articulating screen
Full frame
Not "look at me. I am a big camera here" style.
Better battery life
Better AF than many others
And more
If there was no crop on 30p 4k, it would be 100% perfect. But who cares, even films are 24p.
Still waiting for the long ago-promised comparative reviews of the various photo editing programs (Lightroom, Capture One, Luminar, etc.). Using these programs is a part of many (most?) photographers' workflow, and I would seriously *love* to hear your take on their various strengths and weaknesses. I *always* look forward to seeing your video reviews, and have followed you guys from early on in the Camera Store days. I believe Jordan indicated a few years back that you were going to do this, but it was, admittedly, around the transition time from Camera Store to DPReview, so it might have gotten lost in the shuffle. But I think many DPReview TV watchers would appreciate the special Alberta wit applied to photo editing programs. Thanks for considering this suggestion, and keep up the great work!
I am a relatively new photographer but I absolutely love Iuminar4.
Thanks for that great, informative, CHEERFUL Video Jordan and Chris!
As a A7 III Videographer I don't understand your "complaints" about the Autofocus system of the camera - in my experience (soon 19 months) and running the latest Firmware the Autofocus is nothing but great, it works really well - and I know, as I often also stand in front of the camera! So I am wondering if you're running an old Firmware on your A7 III?
I totally agree with your gripes with the EVF. Was a big turn off from the smaller-bodied Sonys.
Such a shame. Can't give a thumb up for that reason and the no front-dial.
I bought the a7C because I needed a backup to my Leica M bodies. The a7C is an art camera for artists, not hobby people. I have a bunch of Russian L39 lenses, too. The a7C is small and almost the same size as a rangefinder. I could care less about the squinty viewfinder...have you looked throught a Barnack III? This viewfinder of the a7C is great compared to looking through a IIIF Barnack. The dials? I hardly work the dials once I have it set up to shoot. The ergonomics is excellent; perfect for my hands, actually. I think the newbs are spoiled these days. The old guys who came into photography in the 60's, 70's and 80's love the a7C. Lastly & bestly (LOL) it's full-frame!
"That's asking a lot of anyone's thumb" hahaha
Yep, can't give a thumb up because of the wheels and the viewfinder. What a shame.
The form factor of that camera is perfect! I never use the viewfinder in my A7iii anyways. I'd love to see in a future version two card slots but probably won't happen due to size. The A7Cii could definitely tempt me away from the larger bodies.
Great video! I have to upgrade from a Nikon D7200 as it sucks for video. Although I am using Sigma ART (18-35 & 50mm) for glass. I had my eyes set on the Panasonic S5, but I think the auto focus of this camera is best for me. I do a lot of self shot product demos/reviews and you can imagine my frustration with my Nikon D7200, I end up using a webcam with less frustration. I would probably use this Sony as a high end webcam for my live interview shows as well. Thanks for this vid, a fellow Canadian as well (Ontario). Cheers!
Nice review chaps! I jumped from M43 to Sony and was going to just get a second hand A7Riii, but on seeing this I started out with the A7C. My only mistake was not getting the 28-60mm kit lens. I've got one second hand now and love it. I also have the A7Riii too. It's a great combination - same battery. The A7C is my take everywhere camera and the A7Riii for more Pro stuff!
This guys presentation style is absolutely on point. Awesome review!
I currently use an a6500 for my channel. Do you think the 7C is worth upgrading too for video/vlog/content creation?
absolutely worth it = FF sensor/huge battery/selfie screen all in similarly sized
body sounds like a major upgrade
@@mirrorlessny I was afraid you were going to say that! Love my a6500 but FF has been tempting me.. just hard to justify if its a big enough upgrade over the current setup :) thanks!
@@ReefDudes then go all the way up A7S3, you do low light videos yes? I did low light test recently a7iii (similar to a7c) vs a6600(similar to a6500) vs A7S3.......also A7S3 finally gets improved stabilization so handheld video will be smoother
As usual guys great presentation as always. Thanks to you both just purchased an A7C..
Im actually really interested in the Auto focus
Video from DPR when Real Time Tracking premiered:
ruclips.net/video/SG37PzFSyKU/видео.html
Come on dude, its a Sony. AF is probably going to be good
Yes its the AF that is the star feature for me. Plus Im interested in the Catalyst Browse software compatibility.
@@markshirley01 it seems that all new high end Sony cameras like a7c a7Riv a6600 a7siii a9ii have similar strong autofocus system
Me too!
great video.
Is the Sony a7c camera suitable for recording long-term videos? For example, two hours of uninterrupted record?
Doesn't it heat up?
Another spot-on review from "the guys", with pluses & minuses and great alternative suggestions. Don't know why, but their reviews are the only ones convincing me to be totally unbiased, even when I do not fully agree. All others seem to have some sort of well [or not so well] hidden agenda. Cheers!
Does the viewfinder let you add an eye up like the A6000? I don't think this will kill Sony A6600. This camera is $600 more expensive (plus tax). Also, full frame lenses are more expensive.
thank you both for the many great reviews over the last decade , top class
EAR-itating! Love seeing you guys on screen!
Out of the half dozen reviews on the new Sony a7C I've watched so far, I like your take the best, especially the closing thoughts on who this particlar camera may appeal to. I have an a7riii and a smaller street rig that let's me make use my existing lenses sounds ideal. The a7C immediatlly reminded me a lot of the Panasonic GX series too and it's good to hear someone else confirm that -- my current 'small' camera is a GX9 and I've been on the fence about upgrading it because I love the accmpanying Leica lenses so much. The a7C may be a strong contender now.
P.S. If I had to critique anything about your latest videos it would be this -- you'd both benefit from upgading your dad-fashion style. No offense meant, most of us men of a certain struggle in that department. Cheers.
I'm glad you did a review on this camera. Can you guys do a Sony a7c and the Fuji XT-4?
Basically the NEX7 FF successor I was waiting for back in 2012 :)
I had written this thing off entirely but after watching this and hearing a less spec oriented perspective, I'm realizing I was probably too harsh after having has expectations of ANYTHING be inflated by the R5, R6, and a7S3. Good video!
Hi, Chris nickles. I am a Hybrid shooter. But mainly video. I am using a7iii right now. is it worth upgrade to a7c?
Does the Kit Lens have it's own OIS?? If it does, it can help further with stabilization. Though it won't be buttery smooth.
Nice review. Please what camera/kit did you use in shooting this video?
This is exactly the review, and exactly the camera I was looking for. Something lightweight, but pretty powerful and capable. I’m absolutely willing to sacrifice some of the niceties of other cameras for that lighter weight, not to mention solid auto focus. Will most likely be finally upgrading (from Canon 5Dmkiii)!
great for travel, btw Sigma 28-70 is the lightest mid-range f2.8 zoom
For me the EVF in a7c is worse than in a6600 because you can't have an eyepiece cup on a7c. That cup helps a lot.
My NEX6 from 2012 has an eyepiece
Yep , and on the A73 you can buy multiple types of eye piece extender accessories among other things which is very nice .
and another problem with buying new off the shelf models is that they dont have a great variety of stuff made for them ,
like my A73 being the third generation model , i can almost buy a73 stuff in a milk bar ..... maybe thats exaggerating a tad , but you get the drift , any camera store , or ebay , electronics shops , very rare to not find past sony alpha stuff ..
i love the fact i can own an A9 and an a73 or a7r3 and just buy one battery grip and it will fit all of them .
You guys should come to Toronto. Parking is free, Tim Hortons is everywhere, sun shines always and Kasey Stern lives here😏
i think for me i’ll still go with the a7iii for the bigger body and because i don’t really require super fast AF i shoot completely manual unless i’m doing portraits and the a7iii will be more than enough for my needs
Thanks for the review. How much better do you feel is the tracking ability compared to a7iii?
The A7iii doesn’t have the lock on tracking, so as far as AF performance it’s better.
No mention of the lens ecosystem? I think the Sony is a great choice!
While it would be a good choice to go sony just spend more money and buy a better camera
cheer up, cheer up everyone. The pandemic will end at the end of the day, and lets embrace sunshine altogether.
Amazing shots, Chris. You can just about taste sadness in that man's eyes at 1:44.
This is the review I’ve been waiting for
You guys are great. One of the best hires DPReview has ever done (and by extension, Amazon). Keep up the great work!
Nice and helpful video, TY. What about rolling shutter on this camera?
thanks for this nice video, did u use Sony a7C camera to shoot this episode of video ? thanks
forget the AC whatever. the S1H video is simply lovely. stay tuned. the gh6 is coming. man, i got ta get me one of those S1Hs.
Just tested a7cand compared with a a7r3 at a sony store. It's freakin light and fast. Very casual camera which packs power underneath the beautiful body. Downside is it feels bit empty when you hold it and the viewfinder is pathetic. I'm a casual enthusiasts, so I chose to go with a7c as convenience is my priority
Thankyou i m buying it tomorrow and this videlo cleared all my doubts just 4k 60 fps is still and issue ..
How is it for sports and landscape? Or am I better off getting something else??
I have The A7iii and its awesome... but is it worth to sale mine and get the A7C?
Great review man
Hey guys I've watched a lot of your reviews and have gathered a lot of great info! I love your reviews especially the best and worst of 2020 that you guys got drunk in, us Aussies love getting drunk!😁🤪 I am a bit confused as I am a total noob and had pretty much decided to go buy the A7C! I just watched a review on the A7C by Tony and Chelsea and the auto focus failed a fair bit, is this a real issue for me as I will be filming a lot of fishing videos?? Thanks guys!!👍👍
filming fishing videos? A7SIII should do a great job, I had some hard time with AF while filming fast flying rc airplanes but otherwise AF is among the best, do you need the camera to be waterproof?
No it doesn't need to be waterproof, well i hope it doesn't anyway!😉 I will be definitely trying to keep it out of the water but it might get splashed a little bit!
Just a question with your shots, why is your ISO so high ? Was it really that dark on that day ?
Will there be a newer model coming soon? Should I wait or buy A7C now?
If you were comparing the A7c and the Fuji XT-4 for street photography (understanding we’re talking full frame sensor and aps-c sensor). (I have the Nikon Z6II which I love) which one would you choose and why?
Thanks for the subtle humour. Enjoyed a lot! Hey Chris, did you find an option to turn off the electronic curtain?
8:57 Chris being earritating.
You guys are such stars of the camera today.
A7c = C for cheerful, love it. Thanks for the review.
a7c = a7 circumcised
The a7c is a good camera! I also have that camera. I'm excited because it's so light and compact. This video was very interesting! I will come to play again. With love from Japan :)
Great video just ordered my A7C
The EVF is a major flaw by the sound of it. It's one part of a camera that they can't get wrong, because you're using it all the time. At least, I am!
This camera isn't for stills. The evf isn't meant to be actually used in any meaning ful way. This is a vlogging rig. It's meant to have the screen flipped to the back and put on a gimbal. That's all.
an EVF isn't mandatory to take stills, I think the camera is performing well on every level tbh.
@@speygeek Fair enough.
If the lens is sharper than the other Sony 28-70 kit lens, as DPReview seems to imply. this camera is amazing and will be great for the average user who is looking for general/travel FF camera but doesn't want much size. Let's wait for more detailed lens reviews.
The a7c uses the BIONZ X processor from the a7 so it doesn’t get the better codecs, better autofocus (less lag), better frame rates, new menu system of the a7s III as that uses the new BIONZ XR processor.
Yes, it's a small body and the kit-lens is also small. But if you want better glass, it becomes large and heavy anyway and then you have to balance it with this small body.
I have an A7rIV, and I went for the Fuji x100v as my walk-around camera in early 2020. I just picked up the Sony A7C; I think I like it better since I have some compact primes. The jury is still out. I do love the Fuji x100v.
Great review. Sums up the best and worst very well and a great guide for camera buyers. Meets its objective, no doubt. Thanks!
I’m coming from a a7 mark 1. Should I wait for the mark iv? Main thing is photography and creating videocourses. Please advice! 🙏🏼
Between this camera and the a6400 , which one would you recommend for someone that’s just getting into photography. 😁
my running theory is that you bought a package of royalty free music, and all you had left was the "sad piano, uplifting spirit" track left.
Is it really worth to upgrade A7c? Right now I'm using a6400, and I'm planning to upgrade full frame. its either a7iii or a7c
I’m looking to upgrade from my iPhone, so having a downgrade as far as tapping the screen for auto focus. Kind of worries me. I mean, that’s how I currently focus right now. I’m constantly touching my screen to get my phone to focus. Maybe the auto focus will be good enough on this camera that I won’t have to do that and I won’t have to be constantly trying to focus. But thank you for touching on that because nobody else I don’t think really really reiterated the lag with that.
I just can't find a reason to get this over an a7II. Anyone that's half a photographer won't be interested in the kit lenses anyway, so it comes down to some really small things and this camera only wins if you're looking for small. Which would be fine if I weren't mounting 135 mm 1.4's on it, which just makes it a weird thing to hold on to.
Been shooting with apsc for yearssss. I think this might be my stepping stone to full frame
perfect time to upgrade to FF, might not even feel the difference in weight, but many FF lenses are heavier than apsc
Hey with what camera you shoot this episode? It looks very nice and sharp!
Oh cool, you're from Calgary too?! subscribed! 🤣 Thanks for the review, been looking for a new camera to film my skit comedies on, thinking this might be a winner!
Not a bad choice at all!
Jordan @ DPReview TV
I liked the fact that during the depressing portion of the video you tossed in a picture of Jordan. Mean.
What's the use of such a compact body on a full size sensor as long as you need a bigger lens if you're searching image quality, kit lens is simply pulling it down. Better take a M43 or an APSC with pro lenses, no ?
Thank you very much for all the informations.
waiting for fuji 50mm f1 review
How would this stack up against the Panasonic Lumix GH5? Ok its compact but what about the video quality? The gh5 looks amazing
Clnice video , what is your shoulder camera bag?
I admire your enthusiasm. But I just can't understand why most videos are out of focus. Sometimes sharpness is good, as in 4:12, 10:20, 11:18. I suppose a lot of people find it unpleasant to watch a video that is so blurry.
I've had the Sony A7c for a while for photography and it's fallen more and more to my liking as time goes on, so I actually no longer use my Sony A9 and consider selling it.
The size is perfect for me and I love that the viewfinder puts in the side of the camera as I prefer that way of photographing. For the viewfinder I have bought an eyecup, and now the viewfinder has become really good to work with.
I absolutely love the Color Science, and now I often only photograph in jpg.
My only downside with the camera is that the LCD screen could well be more high resolution, but it is still possible to work with in most situations.
Regarding the smaller number of buttons and wheels on the camera compared to, for example, Sony A9, it is not a problem for me as I switched the buttons and wheels that are to the ones I use the most. I always use focus tracking, so I do not need a button / wheel to move focus around with, as I just lay the focus point with focus -tracking on the subject that should be in focus and then I can move the subject where I want in the viewfinder or on the screen. I think it's much faster that way too.
Many greetings
Jess
I like the stiling of the Sony A7c very much with the EVF out to the very side of the camera, I hope that all future A7/A9 Sony cameras will have this design, but with larger EVF in higher resolution.
1:18 is that "Three blind men and an elephant" reference 😂
Nice small camera presumably loads of cash too😲 love your vids guys as I have said before your both mad but in a fun way Merry Christmas to you both and your families. Love from cold England👍🍺🍺🎄
Interested to see the optical performance comparison of the Sony 28-60 vs Tamron 28-75 and Tamron 28-200.